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>>96722546

>thread question:
Questions are for gits

Zog it's beautiful

>>96730485 (OP)
2nd for Imperium Knights

>>96730493
There should be a gorkamorka small setting, but instead of orks and humans, it's eldar and humans.

Post models

>>96730485 (OP)
>Questions are for gits

>>96730493
Do you think Gokarmorka will return?
Maybe some necromunda thing. Would be curious to see what modern GW does with digganobz.

Just finished reading the Drukhari 10th ed codex an hour ago.
GW wrote that the Drukhari are rushing toward their own certain self-destruction thanks to the worsening daemonic from Khaine's Gate and the resulting civil strife as the Drukhari try to exploit the disaster. If the Drukhari united as one, they would surely cast the daemons back into the Warp and seal the gate. But that's not their way.

To make matters worse, the Tyranid, attracted by the infested exodite world that the covens brought to the Dark City, have penetrated into the Webway and are making their way to Dark City. The Hivemind refuses to be denied its feast.

Basically, the Drukhari are fucked.

>>96730519
It's 40k. Everyone is fucked.

Ork ovvertrukk return when?

>>96730523
Tyranids and T'au are certainly not.
Anyway, before this lore, the Drukhari were safe in their Dark City. Now there is no escape.

>>96730525
Bring back looted wagons and chinorks

>>96730485 (OP)
>TQ

>>96730516
>Would be curious to see what modern GW does with digganobz.
nothing because it's gonna be seen as culturally insensitive or some retarded shit.

>>96730528
this is cool, I always imagined orks having airborne battles with armies equipped with these things. do recasters have this?

>>96730516
nta, but Gokarmorka was infamously a financial disaster for GW, so it's never going to happen

>>96730527
>T'au
If you consider plot shield then nobody is fucked

>>96730528
So many cool Ork vehicles thrown to the way side. Lungbursta, Gutrippa, Spleenrippa, Bowelburna, Gobsmasha, Bonecruncha, Braincrusha, etc

>>96730516
>>96730538
Since Nucromunda has vehicles now, there's no reason not to just Gorka your own Morka.

Or better; just get a pdf copy of the old rules, run off a black and white copy and string them together with some twine and a holepunch; insert into poly pockets if needed.

The thing about /tg/ hobbies, is that once they are published, they exist forever, and there is zero shortage of third party Orks and vehicles and ruined scrapheap terrain.

I swear, sometimes I feel like people are just looking for reasons to throw money into the GW Black Hole.

>>96730545
Thank you for reminding me I need to work on our homeroolz make-a-profile

>>96730535
They’re not too hard to make out of a deffkopta and some plasticard

>>96730544
No. I am considering how their lore is written. There are little to no implications of DOOM. Only that they are a rising and expanding power meant to inherit the galaxy from humanity.

>>96730554
I'm just interested in the minis m8.

>>96730538
It's funny to think of a period in which a single box could be a financial disaster for GW

I wonder if an Incubi has ever slain a Pheonix lord. You can only be one after slaying a aspect warrior, I can imagine you get more respect if you slay a Exarch and not a random warrior to be an Incubi.

>>96730558
Yeah, and just like humanity before them they'll get fucked by something, be it an AI rebellion or the warp or another alien specie fucking them over. It's the 4ok universe, everyone is in a constant process of getting fucked, the only difference is between those that see it coming, those that don't, those that enjoy it and those that don't

>>96730573
Probably
He rolled 6s when his opponent rolled 1s

The lore reason Urien got sent to legends is that Yvraine offed him and Kheradruakh is coming back

>>96730545
>>96730528
It's weird ork vehicles went from big armoured shells to just bare bones frames with stuff bolted onto them.

My favourite part of CSM bits
Random Space Marine helmets

>>96730562
Fairs; I mostly just buy second hand bitz boxes off mothers who's sons have moved out.

GW miniatures are hilariously overpriced compared to their competitors; particul;arly for basic troops, and since I actually play with my miniatures, the sculpts on their big wow-pieces tend to be fiddly and precarious, I prefer oldschool style metal models for anything big or important; white metal is still a great high detail medium, has a satisfying weight, and they are surprisingly affordable from many manufacturers.

I am swimming in classic retro bitz, and old heroquest miniatures, and will never have to give James Workshop my money again anyway.
And I have boxes of Wargames Atlantic and Northstar Miniatures stuff, which is great value for money, versatile for kitbashes, and good quality.

I mostly just play indie skirmish heartbreakers, and my own homebrew anyway.

Last time I could be botherd to play a GW game by the book was a long time ago; sometimes I use their old base system as a framework for narrative micro-games.

Like lost space marines fighting through a sewer full of Orks, in a game I hacked together that sorta resembled a marathon session of Space Hulk in "survival mode".

I also ignore any lore from a span of time that is actually moving backwards; at present rate I will have reverted to fourth edition 40k canon by next tuesday.

Also, Majorkill is gay.

>>96730583
The fuck are you talking about? Urien is mentioned in the codex on a single page dedicated to him, and it says that he is pretty much immune to death thanks to his necromantic mastery.

>>96730573
Undoubtedly. I imagine there's a strong rivalry between Incubi and Striking Scorpions.

>>96730585
It's a shame. I liked it when the Orks would bully vehicles and weapons out of Imperial Worlds to use by threatening them with Gargants.

>>96730604
Then the cannon ball slowly falls down vertically and rolls towards the enemy

Was black stone fortress fun?

>>96730620
Ask the Cadians.

>>96730508
Made tokens yesterday
>>96730620
Yes

>>96730591
>GW overpriced
>fuck GW
>skirmich + homebrew
>narrative micro-games
>ignore "lore"
Based x10
>majorkill is gay
amen

>>96730604
>metal slug grot tank
Incredible

>>96730620
Never played it but everything else about it was great, cool models for things we didn't have yet, beastmen, darkmech, lost and damned. We got zoats and ambulls back the new xenology book is written from the perspective of the rogue trader from that game and its great. Also gave us a 40k version of that star wars bar. Just loads of xenos hanging out drinking which is cool

I still don't know what the fuck these are

>>96730660
Guardian drones. The label feels pretty self-explanatory.

>>96730660
Spooky old one tech, self replicating AI things. I like how their heads look like necron heads with the long chin and one eye

>>96730660
destinyshit

>>96730652
Orks are a pathway to many conversions some consider... cool.

>>96730660
War of the World Tripod ripoffs.

>>96730660
Every time 40K explores xenos it looks more and more like infinity (derogatory)

>>96730674
>>96730672
Are they necron related? If they are guarding the blackstone fortress and blackstone is a necron thing?

>>96730679
>revolver barrel on shoota
1) super cool conversion
2) If only they could bring back the game Loadout but make it Orky

>>96730681
you are no longer the target demographic

>>96730681
What? Not even close.

>>96730620
>>96730655
I'll talk about the experience.

I've played through the base game without any DLCs as the "DM" (I prefer controlling monsters) seven times now, and have a pretty good measure for it. It's close enough to D&D that getting people on board isn't hard at all and it's a lot easier to learn, to boot. With that being said, the encounter balance is pretty dreadful, and can be quite inconsistent even when it isn't. Spindle Drones, Traitor Guard, and the Ur'Ghuls are unbelievably dangerous, and maintaining inspiration for much of your party is difficult. The exploration stuff is pretty hit-or-miss, too. You can really struggle with the strongholds; they're absolutely brutal. The "meta" as far as I'm aware is to abuse the shit out of the shop phase and stock up as much as possible on purchases to use. Classic RPG stuff.

The secret reward is only useful if you decide to play again. It's very similar to NG+, but makes subsequent playthroughs much easier, or at the very least, eases the stakes.

>>96730694
Blackstone Fortresses are Old One tech. Blackstone is used extensively by Necrons but it's not their exclusive as it can be used to both suppress the warp and empower it.

>>96730701
>>96730681
GW has to sculpt a lot of sexy butts to compete.

>>96730681
>infinity
Here are your bespoke gue'vesa models.

>>96730694
>super cool conversion
It's by Art_of_Duane. His ork army is amazing. He used to post in /wfg/ when he was making his entirely kitbashed and converted 6e Warriors of Chaos army. His work is fantastic.

>>96730720
His WOC army was Slaanesh dedicated, and he was known as Slaanon there.

>>96730527
>Tyranids
Biomass is finite. Even when they win they lose.
>Tau
They're the smallest fish in the pond going through their he-who-fights-monsters arc.

>>96730720
>>96730727

>>96730705
Check out those cool psyker sculpts that 'had' to die with the box set because GW is so casual with designing expendable sprues

>Cold and Calculating: Gives himself and his unit Lethal Hits against Monsters and Vehicles, or if fighting anything other than Monsters or Vehicles then instead he gives them Sustained Hits (1).
Okay so I guess he slaps Sustained Hits on every weapon profile in any terminator unit he joins, super duper.

What happens if a Blood Angel librarian falls to red thirst/black rage? Shouldn't his head explode, ork warphead style?
Overwhelming rage isn't the best feeling to have when you are a psyker. I remember during the HH that World Eaters librarians couldn't stand the butcher's nails.

>>96730745
I really don’t fucking care. Wish they showed another original ultramarine model instead of wasting time on iron hands.

>>96730523
Autistic & wrong opinion, only "good" factions are really fucked
Also Chaos Daemons are certainly not fucked

>>96730731
>Biomass is finite. Even when they win they lose.
thats not how it works in 40k

>>96730747
>What happens if a Blood Angel librarian falls to red thirst/black rage?
He snaps out of it and becomes Mephiston.

>>96730745
I still think his weapon is stupid and lazy, nobody holds this kind of weapon like that, this is a terrible resting point; would work much better with an actual axe.

Would only get that mini to make a terminator techmarine for another chapter.

>>96730754
The whole point of chaos is that they fuck themselves over constantly

>>96730750
>>96730765
As a frequent lurker of both /40kg/ and /hhg/, it's always been amusing to see how starkly different the attitudes are towards some flavors of spehss muhreenz. Iron Hands being one of those that stands out a little.

To address the people supporting Arbitor Ian from the last thread
>>96729557
>>96729827
>>96729852
Ian is a scumbag, he literally wants to change the lore so that the Imperium has another civil war and splits between the high lores and Ultramar so that there is the old imperium and the Noble Bright Imperium. With the plan of the Noble Bright side winning. Ian solo reason for this change is to help force Right Wingers and alt righters out of the hobby. I left MTG for 40K cause of all the progressive shit, I am not going to let this happen again. Ian should stick to the lore and keep his idiotic progressive beliefs to himself.

>>96730660
>>96730694
>Are they necron related? If they are guarding the blackstone fortress and blackstone is a necron thing?
old ones'

necrons stole blackstone like they have stolen a lot of other things

>>96730731
>Biomass is finite. Even when they win they lose.
That's really not how it work. Are you one of those idiots that think that without eating biomass they would starve? It doesn't work like that even in the real world, let alone in 40k.

>>96730781
I do love iron hands.
I don't love that weapon and that mini strikes me as a techmarine kitbash base.

>>96730533
SoBs are female space marine, they just have their "chapter/subfaction" baked in.

It's like if all space marines were blood angels and you just painted them blue or green.

New Iron Hands detachment dropped
Hammer of Avernii


>Caanok Vaar
Tetsubo is called Axiom which is 5 attacks S8 AP2 Dam 2 OR 10 attacks damage 1 sweep
>Cold and Calculating>>96730745
Lethals against monster or Vehicle, Sustained on anything else
>Cerebrex Logic Engine
Gives 1 Infantry unit Scouts 6, and then 1 redploy (including back into reserves)

Detachment Rule is Calculated Annihilation: Each time a model attacks the OOM target, reroll wound rolls of 1, and if Caanok Var is on the army, AFTER that Oath target is destryoed you can pick a new one. This is not like G-mans and does not have to pick both at the start of the turn.

Enhancements are:
>Spiritus Ferrum: +1 Attack to bearer's melee weapons. Once per game, +1 attack to the entire squad
>Iron Laurel
+1 OC and the unit can get +1 OC once per game
>Medusan Roar
If a unit fails a battleshock within 6 inches of the bearer, 1 model is destroyed but once every game you can make it d3 models instead
>Steel Font
Terminator model only. While the bearer is leading a unit, you can return 1 Terminator to life every command phase.


New Stratgems are attached They look incredibly strong as just Terminator + Dread skew.
Looks like Iron Hands are meta again boys

>>96730798
They have Orders Minoris for homebrew "chapters", and it works almost the same as space marines. The Orders Minoris are all descended from one of the six founding orders.

>>96730782
Ian is just a youtuber, he has no actual power over 40k and what he thinks of the lore doesn't matter to GW.

>>96730790
>Are you one of those idiots that think that without eating biomass they would starve?
Nta but aren't all their processes biological meaning that they need biomass as fuel like all living organisms?

>>96730782
>he literally wants to change the lore
good thing he's not emplyed by games workshop then isn't it. there's nothing wrong with fans doing thought experiments.

>>96730784
How do you steal a naturally occurring mineral?

>>96730782
There are currently six ongoing possible civil wars plotlines in the lore from the Martian Synod planning to declare indepdence from Terra to the Grey Knights plot to kill the risen Emperor.

Moreover, in one of the endings of the Rogue Trader game, you create a noblebright empire in the sector with the help of a C'tan shard.

>>96730803
I used to think that until the IGN video approved by GW. Like GW has their own lore guy why not use him. Regardless it’s insulting that someone would want a massive lore change just to push out anyone who isn’t progressive, I saw it with MTG now it’s happening to 40K.

>>96730802
All Ordos are nuns/joan of arc, they all have the fleur de lys.

Imagine all space marines had baked in ultramarine symbols and iconography. All captains had a crest, all marines had pseudo-roman design sculpted on the mini.

Today I'm doing the plasma effect on 5 hellblasters and a jump pack intercessor. I hate drybrushing so hopefully I can get it all done in one go and never touch plasma blue again.

>>96730804
>Nta but aren't all their processes biological meaning that they need biomass as fuel like all living organisms?

How do you think real life Earth still has not starved if everything on it consume biomass as fuel and didn't get biomass from somewhere else?
Protip: consuming biomass as fuel doesn't mean what you think it means.

>>96730814
It's community outreach.
What third-party companies and fans do is irrelevant to GW studio.

>>96730811
>Moreover, in one of the endings of the Rogue Trader game, you create a noblebright empire in the sector with the help of a C'tan shard.

Yeah zero chances of that going astray

>>96730784
What are the fellas in the middle?

>>96730780
>
Far less applicable to Daemons than to CSM.
Also some infighting is not "everyone suffers xd".

>>96730818
nta but this is photosynthesis supremacist propaganda and I will not stand for it

marvel civil war was popular 10 years ago so it's time for 40k to have another one. penitent lion vs gulliman (alpharius)

>>96730822
The C'tan is enslaved to the Rogue Trader. It's original C'tan sentience was removed and replaced with one loyal to the Rogue Trader PC.

The Imperium tried to invade the new empire but the C'tan created a reality barrier that kept the Imperial warfleets out.

>>96730818
Yeah but earth organisms don't travel through space and strip planets of their ecosystems and atmosphere, like at some point they have to checkmate themselves unless they create self-sufficient tyranid ecosystems.

>>96730833
ntab don't tyranid fight each other too?

>>96730811
>How do you steal a naturally occurring mineral?
Same way you steal gold
You steal the mines, you steal the products made of gold, you steal the manufacturing processes to work it and make it do what you need it to do in aerospace and electronics

It's also debatable whether it's naturally occurring or what people think are mines are actually remains of something ancient

>>96730833
>like at some point they have to checkmate themselves unless they create self-sufficient tyranid ecosystems.

You realise that all they need for that is just an energy source? And that not only they can do photosynthesis, but they can also pull energy straight up from the warp?

>>96730837
>ntab don't tyranid fight each other too?
I think only in super rare and dire circumstances.
But even then let's assume they start to eat each other at some point only 1 fleet remains and would fail to gain new recourses

>>96730831
Yeah, I am sure it will go completely well long term. It's not like having a single person with absolute power ever went badly in 40k.

>>96730847
Don't tyranid fleets also splinter and gain "individuality"?

>>96730824
the centaur is a zoat from blackstone fortress
the fishguy is a saharduin from dead earth minis (ex necromunda sculptor, made the fishguy in his free time and proposed it to the studio while he was still working there, like some other miniatures that were actually released, but this one was turned down, at least he kept the rights to the sculpt, which was not a given)
the helmeted frog is a slanni from diehard miniatures (called eru-kin there for copyright purposes)

>>96730837
They do it regularly to either test what fleet is the strongest one or to have one fleet assimilate the remains of a defeated fleet to recover whatever of useful they had and recover biomass. Hive Fleet Hydra has that as its speciality. It's fine anyway since they don't lose biomass in doing that.

>>96730839
>Same way you steal gold
>You steal the mines, you steal the products made of gold, you steal the manufacturing processes to work it
Or they didn't do any of that and Necrons just found natural deposits of the mineral on planets that they controlled? Or on a planet that nobody controlled and they were just the first to find it.

>>96730851
Apparently, but not really, that's most likely an imperial anthropomorphism projected onto the fleets behaviour.

>>96730842
>And that not only they can do photosynthesis
I doubt that would sustain organisms as complex as nids plus even plant that do photosynthesis need water,minerals etc
>but they can also pull energy straight up from the warp
I doubt that the warp would exist in its current form without other organisms and it's a phenomena unique to the milky way galaxy if I remember correctly

>>96730852
>the fishguy is a saharduin from dead earth minis (ex necromunda sculptor, made the fishguy in his free time and proposed it to the studio while he was still working there, like some other miniatures that were actually released, but this one was turned down, at least he kept the rights to the sculpt, which was not a given)
I may be stupid, but are you saying this could have been an official miniature?

>>96730857
Retconned by Fleet Typhon lore

>>96730851
Depends what you mean by individuality. A splinter fleet will eventually evolve differently just because it will assimilate different genetic material and fight different enemies, so it will both have variant bio forms and different tactics.

>>96730816
Nta, but are you retarded?
Marines do have a baked in default iconography. They just get a bunch extra because they're the big sellers. For sisters, the issue is more that they've never produced kits that go above and beyond the normal fleur stuff. They very well could, but marines have always been and will always be special kids.

Do you yhink you're stuck with the base 6 ork klans just becuase there's no official bits for anything else?

>>96730858
Yeah, sure, the necrons just accidentally discovered blackstone as well as how to use it to conveniently fight their psychic enemies during a war with said enemies that were already weaponising blackstone against them in the first place.

>>96730862
>I doubt that would sustain organisms as complex as nids plus even plant that do photosynthesis need water,minerals etc
Plants don't consume water and minerals. Otherwise Earth will be stripped bare by now.
>I doubt that the warp would exist in its current form without other organisms and it's a phenomena unique to the milky way galaxy if I remember correctly
You may have not noticed it but the Hive Mind is a warp phenomena and the Tyranids came from outside the galaxy

>>96730816
hmm imagine that imagine how wierd that would be

>>96730833
They just go to the next galaxy idiot

>>96730864
Yes, I suppose he was presenting it as a delaque thing, they do have ominous fishy aliens in their background.

>>96730508
just finished this one late last night

>>96730869
>marines do have default iconography
Very little actually, that's why it's easy to make them fit into subfactions by adding that unique iconography.

Marines are plain and their default iconography can either fit into subfactions or be ignored.

Sisters cannot do that, they all have the fleur the lys. Their armor is shaped to evoke nuns/joan of arc. Their weapons and units are tied to religious themes.

Marines don't.

But since you're more interested in calling me a retard, I'll stop wasting my time.

Last (you).

>>96730833
They already have a self sufficient tyranid ecosystem, they attack other worlds to get more MASS, not more energy.

>>96730862
>I doubt that would sustain organisms as complex as nids

Photosynthesis is just taking energy from the sun. Nids don't need to have it 1:1, they just need a way to convert heat/solar radiation into energy. And they canonically have ultra-efficient plants that can grow at ridiculous rates that they use to extract everything from a planet.

>>96730872
Skull with wings is the Imperialis. Both it and the aquila can be found on plenty of non-Marines as well.

>>96730833
>self-sufficient tyranid ecosystems.
You mean a Hive ship?

>>96730872
I'd have to imagine yes.

>>96730880
Incredible, thank you for showing me this, it's fucking lovely

>>96730865
?
How is it retconned when they both do it differently?
Typhon is a buzzard that flies around other fleets to steal processed biomass, Hydra straight up attacks other fleets and tries to steal their biomass through sheer numbers

>>96730895
ah, so you are a retard like the other anon called you. got it, I don't have to waste my time on autists who medically can't admit they are wrong.

The more I hear about tyranids the more retarded they appear, like some mary sue "my faction can super adapt to everything and cant die and cant lose" bullshit.

>>96730892
They can probably produce energy in other ways, they have psychic generators, bioplasma reactors and goddamn fucking wormholes.

>>96730870
Glad you agree.

>>96730911
>ah, so you are a retard like the other anon called you. got it, I don't have to waste my time on autists who medically can't admit they are wrong.
>autists who medically can't admit they are wrong

>>96730884
I said nta, I'm a new person calling you names. It's ok if you're new and sensitive.

Point stands, the theming is strong by default, but if you aren't fucked into the dirt by GW, you can do whatever you want with your minor order. Or make up a secret 7th major order. Just put sister's heads on firstborn bodies or some of WGA's power armor stuff.

>>96730916
Oh absolutely. Photosynthesis is literally the most basic bitch way of generating energy they could possibly have

>>96730912
>The more I hear about chaos the more retarded they appear, like some mary sue "my faction can super corrupt everything and cant die and cant lose" bullshit.
>The more I hear about necrons the more retarded they appear, like some mary sue "my faction can super annihilate everything and cant die and cant lose" bullshit.
Bro, they're one of the 3 main apocalyptic factions of 40k. Like sure, there are also orks and DEldar, but yes, Chaos, Necrons & Tyranids are the most in-your-face large-scale danger.

>>96730902
>cherry picks one black templar model that has cloth over the aquila to pretend they dont use it like every other space marine faction
Wait, so is your point that because sisters don't have over 800 models they are locked into one design? Is that actually your point? Holy shit

>>96730880
Do you have a standalone pic of that mini painted like in the collage from >>96730784
?

>>96730911
Apology accepted.

>>96730912
They have a bunch of ridiculous characteristics, yeah, which is the reason most of the times when you see them getting fought in novels or videogames or anything the writers ignore a lot of them because otherwise it would be retarded.

But people not understanding how biomass works is not one of those.

Had a game with the brand new codex today! The Space Wolves were tricky and got their saga complete quite quickly but I had enough firepower to utterly mulch the competition. At one point I got my Rapid Ingress Archon behind 22 space wolves (A mix of Grey Hunters and Intercessors, led by characters) and killed like 15. Incredibly funny enhancement.
Some highlights also include: Hellions breaking some Wulfen kneecaps, Shooting a Judiciar in the face with a Dark Lance that had Precision and then running over his squad, Drazhar doing nothing and dying immediately, and Lelith jobbing to a callidus, only for the Wyches to kill her in return

Fun game.

>>96730927
>Wait, so is your point that because sisters don't have over 800 models they are locked into one design? Is that actually your point? Holy shit
I mean if you're just gonna run around making shit up why would anyone need to talk?

I'd say go and have an argument with yourself, that seems way more interesteding and entertaining to you.


>Say shit
>Actually here's my insight
>ARE YOU RETARDED?? OMG ARE YOU SAYING THIS SHIT I MADE UP? LMAO SNOWFLAKE GROW UP
I think you nigger faggots need to grow up, we're not your dads.

Bros i want to start first SM army and i want white scars. Do you think its ok box to start if next one i will buy is big 11ed box?

>>96730927
>so is your point that because sisters don't have over 800 models they are locked into one design?
Nta, but sisters are locked into 1 design because they are just meant to be bdsm catholic nuns in space. Once you start to step away from that, like making sisters into meso-american inspired or into BA fangirls who are all female vampires, you're just losing the plot because you're removing space catholism from the space catholism faction.

For marines their design language can vary a lot because space marines are just meant to be giant super human soldiers in thick power armor. Aka space marine theme as a whole is much more vague and much more easily tweaked and modified without losing their "essence" so to speak.

>>96730949
do you have experience painting white?

What's a unit that is shit but you keep using because you love it?

>>96730962
The Imperial units.

>>96730950
Theres literally no reason you cant make them into vampires or meso american whatevers. In fact, the origin of the sisters was half naked warrior women on a primitive world.

>>96730929
that mini in particular was painted by an anon who posts(ed?) here.

the final photo isn't his, it's a size comparison with the one official saharduin mini (rogue trader era) and 2 knockoffs on the same oldhammer style made by knightmare miniatures.

>>96730529
>BLAM
>plasma pistol
Tertiary detected

>>96730926
>Chaos, Necrons & Tyranids are the most in-your-face large-scale danger.
Yeah but chaos can be defeated and necrons are much more flawed with their dementia and internal conflicts giving at least the illusion of defeating them.
Nids are written and portrait in such a way that they seem invincible, they javelin infinite numbers ,can adapt to everything and even if usually defeat a hive fleet that was only a scouting fleet and the real nids haven't even arrived in the galaxy yet bullshit.
It cheapens the setting in my opinion and the only reason they haven't broken the balance of the setting is because necrons exist.

Question for Dark Eldar changes: i've seen a lot of complaining that you can't sticky from venom, does it entail only the (half)squad in the venom or can the 5 chuds with karabines still sticky it up and just lag behind on foot?

>>96730956
no the only thing i painted be4 was AoS skelleton army

>>96730986
>Yeah but chaos can be defeated
What? I mean I generally don't have a horse in this race but you're crazy if you think that Chaoswank is somehow less prevalent than Nidwank, to the point where some BL authors tried to push the idea that Chaos wins 40k (which thankfully been brushed aside for now).
>Nids are written and portrait in such a way that they seem invincible
As I said same can be said of Crons and Chaos. They're one of the big bad 3 factions, idk why we have to have this conversation, especially when none will "win". Whatever hype either faction has doesn't matter, dude.

>>96730986
Are you from 4th edition?
Chaos has been wanked like a hundred times what Nids have in the last decades.

>>96730980
he had made some upgrades too but I can't find good pictures

>>96730986
>chaos can be defeated
It most certainly cannot. Tyranids are finite. They can be beaten in conventional waysChaos for all intents and purposes, is infinite. It's not an external force only, but it's within the walls and within the very souls of its victims. Chaos even in defeat gets stronger.

That's why Chaos is always referred to by Word of God as the greatest threat against which all alien threats pale before.

>>96730980
Cheers anon, thank you again for showing me this, luv me some niche/forgotten warhammer minis.

They're mid!
MID!!!

>>96730990
Kabalites still have sticky objectives, but the ability to use that from inside a transport is now a Raider ability

Why havent the Grey Knights been sent here?

The planet is in rebellion, and has daemon problem in the form of Daemonhost, beast of Nurgle, and chaos spawn running amok, and in the case of Daemon host single handedly thwarting Inquisitor Iven Rannik's forces.

Given the threat level of a single daemonhost why havent the Grey knights responded?

>>96731002
Why can't we have more of this.
I love marines and humans but the world is sad without fun aliens and other fantasy creatures.

>come back after 10-ish years
>dropped the game after aos started and SC boxes were 65€
>equivalent boxes are more than double the price
>characters are almost 40€
>watch roadmap, new releases are 90% space marines

I'm asking this from a genuine curious point of view, how do you justify spending that ammount of money in plastic? Please don't hit me with "it's not an expensive hobby" because a single space marine is a week's worth of groceries for a single guy living by himself. It's even worse when the consensus online is pretty much the last 2 editions were utter shit. And for dark eldar and grey knights, how have you manage not to throw your armies away? You have the exact same kits as 11 years ago, but 80% more expensive.

Not trying to create bait btw, I'm more amazed at how GW has managed to suck warhammer lovers' money with no complains or repercussion.

PS: Wtf those dwarfs are hideous. People used to say tau didn't belong in 40k back in the day but damn...

>>96730997
>some BL authors tried to push the idea that Chaos wins 40k (which thankfully been brushed aside for now).
What do you mean some? Alan Merrit and Rick Priestley said Chaos will win in the end.
We have three recent GW studio staff members saying that story of 40K is humanity vs Chaos and how all other conflicts in 40K are secondary to this war. Also how Chaos is probably going win it.

>>96731007
>Tyranids are finite
NTA but that is not confirmed at all as well as their origin point, if there is any. The theories can be as naturalistic or as outlandish as one wants, see 10th edition fluff about the nature of the Hivemind.

>>96731019
It's an incredibly minor kurfuffle by Imperial standards. The plot of Darktide makes it incredibly clear that by the time the Arbites show up they have only JUST learned that there even are chaos cultists. The thing is, chaos worship is incredibly common in the Empire and usually just means burning a few peasents and beating the menials in a show of force. No one realized there was an incredibly advanced, organized, funded and armed Nurgle cult in the main hive.

>>96731009
Goonhammer's tranny infested site has done irreparable damage to Warhammer.

>>96731019
There's 1k GKs, there are much bigger things to pay attention to than this.

>>96731034
>common in the Empire
>the Empire
The fucking what?

>>96731019
GKs just lost over half of their fightforce dealing with Angron on Armageddon during 4th and are spread thin

>>96731031
Actually, it was. Tyranids, according to 5th ED, ate twelve galaxies before coming to the 40K galaxy. With this piece of information, we can guess which part of the universe the Tyranids came from.

We know for a fact that they started in another galaxy.

>>96731027
You realize the way you word your post doesn't reflect Chaos in a better way, right?
>Alan Merrit and Rick Priestley
Irrelevant washed ups.
>but White Dwarf
Also pretty irrelevant.

>>96731026
>And for dark eldar and grey knights, how have you manage not to throw your armies away?

What kind of retarded mentality is this? I love my armies and I love my models. Even if GW squatted them tomorrow why would I ever throw away the stuff that I already have and that I had fun building and painting and that l like to look at?
I haven't played AoS in maybe 6 years but I still enjoy the sight of my armies in their class case in my room.

>>96731026
>how do you justify spending that ammount of money in plastic?
I don't, I spend max 100 bucks a year and I only buy from the online store if I can't get it from a -20% retailer.

Yes it's an expensive hobby, despite what faggots like to lie about.

Pro-tip for everyone: stop believing people, never take what they say at face value, 99.9% of people don't talk to communicate but as a tool to get something.

Read between the lines, people aren't hard to figure out.

>>96731007
>Chaos for all intents and purposes, is infinite.
Chaos is already dead, they just don't know it yet...

>S1: There is a grand bargain here.
>S2: I understand it.
>S1: Do you? Already? Good. Very good. What is the bargain?
>S2: [Silentium.] Infinite power cannot be overcome. We are finite, limited by law. So, deception.
>S1: Do you find that unworthy?
>S2: No.
>S1: Because it comes from me.
>S2: Yes.
>S1: Speak freely. For once, speak freely. You are only just awakened – there may be few chances left for you.
>S2: [Silentium.] You will cheat them. You will cheat all of them. And us.
>S1: A risky strategy.
>S2: There are no others.
>S1: You understand it. And, tell me – do you understand the full implication?
>S2: Ruin. Total ruin.
Valdor - Birth of the Imperium

>>96731019
Because they have other more important shit to do.

>>96730962
Pre WE buff I always brought one unit of Eightbound, they had an aura of +1 to hit and would mince Infantry
Post WE buff I scrapped 2 Forge fiends and now bring a reinforced unit of Eightbound and an Exalted Eightbound unit led by a Slaughterbound. In all my recent games the Slaughterbound with exalted has punched up and destroyed 500-600 pts worth of vehicles every game.

>>96730981
What sound effect would you prefer for someone getting hit by a plasma bolt?

>>96731052
bro, according to these people, 40k is monsterously expensive but also when GW performs a malfeasance (typically against recasting pirates or temu knock offs) I'm suppose to dump all of my armies immediately in some sort of solidarity

>>96731051
>Irrelevant washed ups.
Their vision for the metastory is still being followed.
>Also pretty irrelevant.
Phil Kelly, Andy Clark, and Stu Black are studio designers and writers. The guys writing the mainline 40K lore.

Old and new. Aliens are irrelevant to the main story of 40K, which as Clark and Kelly said, have always been and will always be humanity vs Chaos.

>>96731045
Yes, it's very common especially among the poor, desperate and disenfranchised. Literally every single look we get into daily Imperial life shows chaos worship as a dark underbelly to society. From slanneshi noble crypto cults to a poor worker who was beaten one too many times by the enforcers who buys a symbol of Tzeentch and starts praying to it to deliver him from the "Emperor's justice". A couple thousand guardsmen going rogue or a workers strike or some chaos trinkets being discovered by themselves are not enough on their own for the Nobles to invite the inquisition to their planet much less an organization that they are definitely not supposed to know about and if it did would kill everyone on the planet in a week before moving on.

>>96731067
>have always been
This is straight up false for anybody that didn't started the game yesterday. Until around 6th edition Xenos had a much bigger focus than Chaos.

>>96731019
Grey Knights and Space marines aren't sent in to fight mid level threats like in Darktide. They have better shit to do like fighting Hordes of Zerkers
Darktide still only has cultists to deal with, that's enough for Guard, PDF, and an inquisitor to deal with. When Plague marines start popping up then that's when you call the Space Marines.

>>96731067
nta, but Alan Merret and Rick Priestly also supported 40k being about chaos vs humanity. I don't know what that anon is smoking, these guys were also responsible for Realms of Chaos and the HH

>>96731038
Is 1k Greyknights even a thing?
I always saw them as not bound to the codex and are more like Space Wolves and Black Templars where each subfaction is bigger than a normal Spacemarine chapter.

>>96731050
>Actually, it was. Tyranids, according to 5th ED, ate twelve galaxies before coming to the 40K galaxy
1) *at least twelve
2) that by no means answers the question where they come from in any tangible way, because 10th edition codex says that they could very well be God-projections, just big predators or anything else
>We know for a fact that they started in another galaxy.
We literally don't and you won't be able to find any quote that directly correlates with that. Not to mention that newer codex fluff would supercede that.

>>96731078
Focus in the game doesn't mean focus in the backstory, you xenofag tourist.

>>96731019
There are only 1k gk and there are several demon primarchs active in real space right now they have better things to do than kiling cultists there

>>96731061
god damn that dude is scary

>>96731085
I don't know, I usually do my own thing anyway, but even if there was a million of them there are still more important things to do.

Afterall there isn't a single space marine deployed yet, so why even a greyknight, because of demonic activity? Nothing a few hundred ogryns can't handle, apparently.

>>96731067
>main story of 40K
40k doesn't have a story, it is a setting.

>>96731078
Let me open the 6th ED main rulebook and see for myself.
>Chaos is the greatest threat
Let me open the 5th ED core book
>Chaos is the greatest threat
Fine let me open the 4th ED core book
>Chaos is the greatest threat
Strange. Let me check the third edition
>Chaos is the greatest threat
What about the second edition Codex Imperialis
>The Warp is the greatest threat to mankind

What the fuck, anon?

>>96731092
Yes, the literally only moment of focus that Chaos had in six editions.

>>96731050
>With this piece of information, we can guess which part of the universe the Tyranids came from.
I remember a thread trying to track that and also a way older lore saying they ate hundreds or thousands.
But the question is whether we have to count dwarf galaxies in that number or just relatively big ones like the milky way and Andromeda.
Another question is whether they travel in a line or a circle, because the immense distances between galaxies, to me, would point to tyranids being a much younger and local cosmic megapredator than some other hyperbolic hypothesis would suggest.

Making them "simply" original from Andromeda and having consumed everything in the local cluster would be more than enough for me, as a nidfag, also because it gives nids a reason to struggle, since this galaxy could be considered an atypically large meal for them, perhaps the first with some kinds and extremes of opposition that they might not have had in Andromeda, assuming a calmer place and thus a lucky start.

>>96731078
Necromunda has its own game and books about their gangs, so going by your logic they're the more important planet in the Imperium, right?

>>96731102
It's both, and always has been

>>96730969
>origin of the sisters was half naked warrior women on a primitive world.
Those aren't space catholics, those are naked tribal savages.

>>96731052
Obviously a way of speaking. But if I was an active playing and saw the game drowning in marines for 10 years, at least I'd be slightly mad.

>>96731105
>the only moment of focus chaos had in 6 editions

>>96731112
I didn't know the magellanic clouds were closer than Andromeda
Or is this just a victim of 3d on a 2d image and they are further "back" in the image?

>>96731134
equidistant

>>96731023
I love alien freaks, but the general customer prefers more normal products like humans and the setting is, at the end of the day, humans vs the others.
they could and should sprinkle in alien stuff in various factions, but even there gw prefers playing it safe and retreading stuff they already know there's a customerbase for.

>>96731066
I just got on ebay, buy someone else's army who is dumping it in rebellion and leaving the hobby
Then I burn that one to show my solidarity with the community

>>96731147
Pretty much this.
It sells.

>>96731119
Worldbuilding isn't the same as having a "story" anon.
This is a setting, it can have stories within itself, but it is not a story on its own, nor it will ever be because it will never have an ending of any kind and no significant story advancement will ever occur.
The biggest they can do is pull relatively wet fart events like Cicatrix Maledictum, which was successfully circumvented by like more than half the factions in the setting already, be it Startide Nexus, Necrons or SitW.
They can't even permanently kill off any named character, less so permanently kill off an entire faction, it is a testament to your adorable naivety if you think 40k has a story at all.

>>96731089
Not at least. 5th ED gives a concrete number. The Tyranids ate a dozen.
Hard facts > Speculation.

I am 90% sure I ran into a quote saying that the Tyranids originated from another galaxy. When I have the time, I will look for it.

they should make chaos and xenos inherently stronger than imperial factions

>>96731152
>Then I burn that one to show my solidarity with the community
Don't do that. Burning plastic and resin will give you cancer.

>>96731142
Interesting

>>96731130
Ok fine, one of the two moment of focus chaos had in six editions.

>>96730962
The orca. I got into 40k through the fire warrior game as a kid and you use that transport several times in the game so I always wanted it.

>>96731105
>the literally only moment of focus that Chaos had in six editions.
Wrong. Before 6e GW was already working in the HH, Vraks, and Badab.
You confuse being the focus of starter boxes with their importance in the setting

>>96731134
a Google search says
>1500 kilo-light years for Andromeda
>163 kly for the large cloud
so it's closer by a factor of 10

>>96731165
>Making Eldar or Tau stronger than anyone
Go back and try again.

>>96731159
Dude.
GW is following the comic formula. Regardless of what you feel about it, it's a story. A progressive one with new episodes and development.

>>96731168
just kidding the clouds are ~0.200m ly away and andromeda is 2.5m ly away

>>96731119
the emperor is a turk?

>>96731163
>Hard facts > Speculation
10th codex disproves your "hard facts", not to mention that everyone knows how low of a quality 5th edition nid codex was and it isn't the first time it was directly retconned.
I can pull a hard throbbing fact showing you Tyranid-corrupted CSM from 2E or a Tyranid-corrupted Warlord Titan from a comic written by Abnett, that doesn't mean its anything well-supported in fact
>When I have the time, I will look for it.
Really doesn't matter unless its more recent than 10th lol.

>>96731170
Based
>had an edition focused on flyers
>no orca
>had a 6mm flyers game
>no orca

Man what the frick

>>96731169
when you are this ignorant you should shut up and sit down, you stupid faggot

>>96731176
Very flawed analogy, comics follow story arcs that have conclusions as well as their own separate AUs, universe resets and the such, also including characters dying a plenty.
40k is absolutely locked in a perpetual status quo on a global level and none of the developments will truly amount to anything significant.

>>96731171
HH was 2012. 6th edition was 2012 too. Badab was Imperials Vs Imperials.

>>96731190
the orca is too big for 40k and not enough of a jet-fighter for aeronatica

>>96731019
The Atoma Prime system is currently isolated by Warp Storms so the inquisition has to make do with what they have.
Also like this anon said >>96731034 in the recent campaign that clarified the story explained that the inquisition only started to figure out that this isn't just a regular disgrunteled rogue imperial guard regument but there is a nurgle chaos cult at play within Tertium, the main hive of Atoma Prime.
Like if you play through the campaign you notice that there are actual cultists enemies (the dregs in yellow clothes) or monstrosities or even daemonhosts in the early missions, it's only the scab enemies (the moebian 6th traitor regiment). Only once you start getting to the "hourglass" missions, sand zone, is when you start to come into contact with more cultists and the inquisition warband starts to figure out that there is some chaosy shit a-foot on Atoma Prime.

>>96731134
There are tons of dwarf galaxies much closer than andromeda. Andromeda is just really big so it dominates a large section of our sky.

Why can’t knights fly

>>96731194
I am sorry I didn't consider the books about Krieg from FW a Chaos focus moment anon.

>>96731104
>greatest threat to humanity
>humanity
Why should I care if I have no reason to identify with humanity?
Not to mention it being less of a threat to other factions.

>>96730523
The imperium is objectively nowhere near fucked, no matter how much GW tries to shill the crumbling empire narrative.
>>96730712
I thought infinity got rid of those.
>>96730816
>all have the fleur de lys.
The Fleur is like the skull imagery ALL space marines have dumbass. The orders all have the own heraldry beyond that.
>>96730912
>my faction can super adapt to everything and cant die and cant lose"
They job to marines pretty much every time the fight them, he'll they job to pretty much everyone they fight except eldar, their adaptations don't do shit, and Cawl can unfuck any planet they eat.

>>96731185
Turks did not arrive to Anatolia until many millenia later, anon
It's canon that the Emperor is "brown", though
>>96731199
The current HH began in 2004 with a card game and Visions of Heresy
Badab was caused by Chaos corruption

Considering how much of the codex is cultists and mutants and daemons and whatnot, wouldn't it make more sense to rebrand Chaos Space Marines into Forces of Chaos or, as it once were, just plain Chaos? Similar rebranding could be done for Thousand Sons since it's possible to build a full 2000 pts army with not a single Thousand Son marine in it.

>>96731187
The 10th ED does no such thing. I read it. Vague statements do not beat fact from older publications.
>I can pull a hard throbbing fact showing you Tyranid-corrupted CSM from 2E or a Tyranid-corrupted Warlord Titan from a comic written by Abnett, that doesn't mean its anything well-supported in fact
Tyranids corrupting marines has been a thing even in recent stories.
And I see no issue in Tyranids subverting technology.
You don't get to dismiss something because it tuins your headcanon.

>>96731214
Just take the L, idiot. You just look worse when you squirm and twist about it.

>>96731217
Because if humanity falls, then so will everyone else in the galaxy. It's the reason why Eldrad supports mankind

>>96731185
retard

>>96731230
I don't know anon considering now people are bringing out that Chaos had a focus because they once released a card game about marines Vs marines it's pretty funny to continue

>>96731207
Cawl has yet to attach his patented Cawl-pattern repulsor plates to the feet of any knight. But the day will come.

>>96731228
>Vague statements do not beat fact from older publications.
Yes they fucking do when it comes to how well-maintained and reinforced that information is.
I specifically picked the stupid tyranid-corrupted mecha because it was in a weird side-content comic and has never came up at all anymore.
If a codex says something and it hasn't been repeated for the decades then you should very much treat it with a big BIG grain of salt and rely on newer information.

>>96731226
What you don't understand, but gw does, is that the average consumer is literally braindead, if they sold that codex as chaos today a large portion of spiky marinefags would unironically feel lost about where their faction went.

I'm not joking or exaggerating.

>>96731185
8th millennium BC is around 6000 years before the likely ancestors of the Turks first moved eastward into Mongolia. So no, he predates them considerably.

>>96731217
>Not to mention it being less of a threat to other factions.
Humans aren't a less of a threat to other factions when humans want to genocide everyone and everything and don't care even IF there were actually peaceful ones, everything is getting exterminated.

>>96731187
>that doesn't mean its anything well-supported
try to keep up

>>96731226
christ im so glad this dogshit cartoony artstyle fucked off

>>96731218
>The Fleur is like the skull imagery ALL space marines have dumbass. The orders all have the own heraldry beyond that.

Keep yapping faggot, marines don't have that many skulls on them.

Why do idiots feel like they're smarter than everyone? Oh, right, they ARE idiots.

>Rogue Trader released
>no Chaos in the book
>starter scenario is Crimson Fists vs Orks
>lore is primarily Imperium, mentions the Warp off-handedly but says nothing of specific Chaos forces, next most lore is Orks, then Eldar, then Tyranids, then races that didn't make it past this edition
>first expansion book released with a Space Wolves vs Orks campaign and some other stuff, still no Chaos
>Chaos only added in expansion books for Warhammer Fantasy when GW realized they could add 40k stuff to sell them to both systems
>get two such books
>meanwhile Orks get 3 expansion books that edition alone
>board games released are Space Hulk (Marines vs Genestealers), Space Crusade (Marines vs bit of everything like Blackstone Fortress), Advanced Space Crusade (Marines vs Tyranids), Tyranid Attack (take a fucking guess), etc.

>2nd edition released with Blood Angels vs Orks starter set
>in Epic 40k, Chaos have to share an expansion book with Eldar because they aren't important enough to have their own
>Tyranids get a standalone Epic 40k release with a huge boxed set
>first global campaign is Imperium vs Tyranids at Ichar IV
>Ultramarines get their first posterboys Codex, all of their major lore is about the Corinthian Crusade vs Orks and the Tyrannic Wars, barely anything on Chaos
>Chaos have a single Codex for all of their shit, not split up for Daemons and different Legions and shit

>3rd edition released with Black Templars vs Dark Eldar
>Next major global campaign is Armageddon, centering around Imperium vs Orks
>two (2) more Xenos races added in the form of Tau and Necrons because Xenos are popular, Chaos still have a single Codex
>Necrons used to be Chaos Androids but got retconned to being Xenos because no one gives a shit about Chaos
>end of the edition is the Eye of Terror Campaign, the first time Chaos gets a spotlight (only took 16 years)

>>96731251
Omissions =/= retcons
GW for 4 editions straight did not add that bit about Orks reproducing via spores in the Ork codexes. They replaced it with vague statements and speculations.

Does that mean that spores got retconned? Think, anon, think!

>>96731264
>t. retarded zoomer slop taste

>>96731260
>post about Tyranids corrupting a titan and CSM
>smugly posts some irradiated genestealers as a response
you're a special kind of stupid arent you?

>>96731270
>4th edition released with Ultramarines vs Tyranids, Chaos spotlight already went away
>even the main rulebook plays up Xenos as biggest threat this time
>cover of the Space Marines codex is fighting Tyranids
>Medusa V global campaign gives everyone equal attention, no Chaos special treatment
>cities of death expansion gives spotlight to Tau
>end of the edition they finally make Daemons their own faction with a separate Codex

>5th edition starter is Ultramarines vs Orks
>not a single Chaos codex or update or campaign for the entire edition
>two Xenos factions, Necrons and Dark Eldar, get huge revamps/model line updates
>Chaos are now officially using older more outdated models than the majority of Xenos factions

>then Horus Heresy autism starting taking off and soon everything is ruined by secondaries talking about off-topic primarch fanfiction in the 40k threads

>6th edition starter is Dark Angels vs Chaos (only took them 25 years to be in one starter set vs Xenos in 5)
>lore starts taking a steep nosedive, newfag designers and writers start putting out the worst rules, models and writing the game has ever seen
>COINCIDENTALLY this just happens to be the time GW starts playing up Chaos as the "main bad guy"
>40k is generally downhill from here on with occasional spikes back up in quality partyway through 7th and sometimes during 8th

rose tinted goggles boomer faggot

>>96731271
>GW for 4 editions straight did not add that bit about Orks reproducing via spores in the Ork codexes. They replaced it with vague statements and speculations.
1) nowhere near the same example as pulling shit out 5E codex with its terrible reputation
2) quite literally yes if they're viable theories
>I am 90% sure I ran into a quote saying that the Tyranids originated from another galaxy
I am waiting anon, but no, we don't have anything concrete about origins of nids and that is by design

Just saw the new White Scars detachment. As someone who is starting to collect them, here is my idea for a 1000pts list. Any thoughts?
-Suboden Khan
-Lieutenant (ignores cover + sustained hits enhancement, assuming 15-20 points)
-5 Intercessors
-5 Jump Pack Intercessors
-10 Hellblasters
-3 Outriders
-Redemptor Dread
-Storm Speeder Hammerstrike

That would leave me at 985-990 points. Alternatively I'm thinking of taking a Thunderstrike instead of the Hammerstrike and downgrading the Jump Pack Intercessors to either Assault Intercessors or Scouts.
Both Storm Speeders don't have the best rules for this, as the Hellblasters have ignores cover already, and +1 to wound is already on Oath of Moment. So they would mostly support the Dreadnought.

>>96731226
>>96731252
That book is like 90% chaos marines. Even the cover doesn't show any cultists or daemons. I have no doubt you cocksuckers are Space Marine players, because you folk love to tell CSM players what their armies are suppose to be (typically cultists led by a single chaos marine). Yeah, Chaos Marines players don't want a focus on cultists or daemons. Those things can be part of the army but its not what is wanted by fans.

>>96731187
the 5th ed codex was shit rulewise, not fluffwise

don't be a retard

>>96731267
>marines don't have that many skulls on them.
Retarded secondary

>>96731311
Wasn't that the codex that had the Tau out evolving the Tyranids and the bullshit about the Swarm lord?

Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.

>>96731270
>>96731279
>chaos corrupted the setting and made it shitty and a husk if it's former self
Fluff accurate chaos

>>96731311
>not fluffwise
It very much was lol, the codex was bemoaned how it introduced new hive fleets and then immediately had them lose narrative battles where they were first mentioned it.
>ruleswise
It wasn't that horrid aside from some terrible outliers, the special characters were kind of cool.

>>96731319
I still cringe thinking about how they shoved the swarmlord into Ichar IV

>>96731319
it had an interesting arms race between hive fleet gorgon and the tau empire and introduced the swarmlord, yes

do you want be retarded and stick to your memetic flanderisations of those things or accept that they don't suddenly make another part of the lore invalid just because you don't like it?

>>96731318
You know what's spookier?
There's a 6th secret skull inside of his helmet.

>>96731322
Sorry chud, Corsairs are the hip and trendy new Eldar who are waaaay cooler and better than the old chud Eldar factions. Be a better ally and support Corsairs.

>>96731324
There's a reason why Chaos and chaosfags are viewed as insufferable and annoying.

>>96731318
>complains about cherry picking
>picks a veteran
You know what else you lied about? Fleur de lys being the equivalent of skulls or aquilas.

Keep. Yapping. Faggot.

>>96731331
>the codex was bemoaned how it introduced new hive fleets and then immediately had them lose narrative battles where they were first mentioned it.
only by retards, that's how tyranids narratives have always worked
before that, and way before leviathan, they had already introduced behemoth to have it crash immediately against ultramar and they introduced kraken to have it crash immediately against iyanden and ichar

the point is that the fleets survive those assaults, but provide those historical events

Im not gonna like the 11th starter box am I

>>96731334
I am not that guy, I don't even play Tyranids, but I have heard Tyranids players crying about the fluff of the 5th edition codex years back then, so forgive me if it sounded very strange hearing that the fluff in it was good.

>>96731337
bullshit, marines don't have bones

>>96731356
Depends, what faction you play?

since apparently a woman has mantled drazhar i could just use the female archon torse, slap on demiclaves and spike up the helmet a bit more and have a passable kitbash?

>>96731354
>that's how tyranids narratives have always worked
Literally not a thing in any codex BEFORE or AFTER it
I literally have (almost) every codex as a PDF anon, including 5th

>>96731346
Thats eldarfags though (all types)

>>96731354
>>96731334
>>96731302
>Yeah, 99% of Tyranids player hated the fluff in the codex at the time but the Cruddex was actually good, thrust me

>>96731322
goodbye midriff baring wyches it was nice knowing you

>>96730516
I wish. It was so much fun.

>>96731385
Yes in a individual sense but there are like dozen chaosfags for every eldarfag so they are more insufferable in an absolute sense.

>>96731393
what if they enhance midriff and give them abs, make them taller, and give them actually decent faces?

>>96731369
None now. I just sold my world eaters

>>96731375
Not really how it works. It's the same suit of armor and that contains the gestalt soul of all the exarchs that were melded into it before subsumed into the Phoenix Lord. The body wastes away and is replaced by light over time. Of course, this is really not consistent between all portrayals by different authors.
But you do you. I don't think it would be a huge lower break and it would look cool still.

Did some fucking about and 1:1 Wlywood/Goregrunta constant sloppa over Karak Stone makes a decent leather/brown colour for clothing/bags and other shit. May do some more fuckery later to see if any other half decent things become available.

>>96731389
>saturday euro evening
You should've known that it is Carnac time.

>>96731401
At which point I wake up?

>>96731353
>Still less fluers than a space marine has skulls
>You know what else you lied about? Fleur de lys being the equivalent of skulls or aquilas.
Unfathomably retarded
I accept your concession retard

>Lord Kakophonist is back in stock again
I will take two please.

>>96731270
>>96731279
>Rogue Trader released
>no Chaos in the book
Realms of Chaos was written at the same time and already had the background for the Emperor vs chaos and the Traitor legions.
There were also supplements for chaos orks and genestealer cults.
>Space Crusade
The enemies were all chaos xenos, androids and CSM

The rest of your posts is typical retarded out of touch midhammer kid bullshit that needs to die.
>2000-2001, early BL novels and the index Astartes articles in White dwarf had already kickstarted the hype for the old legions and the primarchd. 2003. Eye of Terror, 2004: Visions of Heresy, 2006: Horus Rising, The Fall of Medusa V, 2007-8 Vraks...
Chaos (and the HH) have always been a key part of 40k, even if they weren't always the focus of starter kits because GW marketing didn't want to upset the mums of little timmies like you were at the time, retard

>>96730528
>>96730545
man I just want a mid range tank option for orks as a placeholder unit for all the looted stuff and variants

>>96731278
>"a bit of radiation undoes millions of years of HIvemind control"
>delusional nidfag can't see who's pulling the strings
ngmi

>>96731432
Rogue Trader already had nids lol.

>>96731415
>make shit up
>lose
>"I win fuck you waawaa"
Fatherless behavior.

Idk maybe if you make more shit up or get more shit wrong it's gonna stick, only one way to find out!

>>96731442
>delusional nidfag can't see who's pulling the strings
>its chaos even though the people who created them specifically said their aspiration was to make something that was unrelated to Chaos corruption on stream, publically
how feeble, you can try again to anger me but you shall fail

>>96731432
I like how you had to nitpick like 3 examples to point out that Chaos actually got 2 supplements back in rogue trader (which was already mentioned, and confronted with orks that got 3), pretend that the boardgame with Genestealers on the cover was actually exclusively Chaos focused, that Medusa V was for some reason focused on chaos while it was a free for all among all the factions to try to support your narrative.

Going to a small scale competition tomorrow as a largely infantry based guard army.
Advice for not getting completely floored?

>>96731432
>>Space Crusade
>The enemies were all chaos xenos, androids and CSM
Ah yes. The famous chaos xenos, the Orks, the Goblins and the Genestealers

>>96731464
>Advice for not getting completely floored
>as a largely infantry based guard army
its too late

my jewtube recommendations say the new iron hands rules known.
what are my thoughts on the detachment?

>>96731477
I have one tank and a sentinel as vehicles, but that's it. It's 1000 points.

>>96731297
>1) nowhere near the same example as pulling shit out 5E codex with its terrible reputation
wat
>2) quite literally yes if they're viable theories
The vague shit is as viable as the Ork theories. Both are equally of no value vs a hard fact.

>I am waiting anon,
On it

>>96731481
Who cares it’s a shitty chapter

>>96731481
terminator focused
therefore bad

>>96731458
>>its chaos even though the people who created them specifically said their aspiration was to make something that was unrelated to Chaos corruption on stream, publically
Nurgle feeds off of all despair and disease, he is very much disease and body horror personofied.
Malstrain are diseased cult in despair trying to survive.
Chaos doesn't care where the emotions that feed it come from, as long as it does.

>>96731496
>Nurgle feeds off of all despair and disease
Did the Necrons birth Nurgle?

>>96731459
>orks that got 3
Realms of Chaos was way more important than the le funny Ork books, which also included chaos orks, btw
> the boardgame with Genestealers on the cover
The cover also included chaos androids and the marines were fighting against Chaos. But you don't know it because you never playerd it unlike me
>that Medusa V was for some reason focused on chaos
speaking of covers, how many there were in that book?
>>96731476
See above. In RT there were chaos versions of all those, as they were in that game.

>>96730508
Seriously why don't they give orks looted vehicle rules again? It looked like it was mad fun

>>96731495
>T10 5W 1+ 3++ terminators in 11th edition

>>96731491
people are going to knights, custodes and primarchs at you. it's all over

>>96731476
>Chaos Space Marines
>Chaos Androids
>Chaos Dreadnought
>(Chaos) Genestealers

>>96731512
No model, no rules.

>>96731496
>trying to argue Chaos metaphysics, one of the least written out things in the setting
I can poke enough holes in it to make a spaghetti strainer and all you will be able to respond with is "umm Chaos doesn't have to be well-written or make sense, stop!"

>>96731476
>The famous chaos xenos, the Orks, the Goblins
yes

>>96731495
rip if true

>>96731494
because iron hands vehicle rules can easily be oppressive, but maybe not this time

>>96731509
>race who evolved on a shithole planet getting blasted by radiation
>end up as being cancer patients with like life spans of 20 years or less
>entire culture even before bio-transferance was centered around the death and resulting despair in their society
>even after escaping their home star their lives didn't improve still dying and in despair
Obviously it would have influenced Nurgle and his creation.
Nevermind the fact that Nurgle has always existed within the Warp even before it was "birthed" or created. Just like how Slaanesh existed even before the War in Heaven and influenced eldar to birth it.

>>96731512
MONEY ME BOY! BECAUSE I LIKE MONEY!

>>96731359
There was an overreaction regarding the swarmlord, more of a fear it would be the start of our "kerrigan", but that fear was proved pointless in the end.
People exaggerate what the swarmlord is for shitposting purposes, but he doesn't break nid fluff nor centralises it.

Apart from that, the ill reputation of the codex was first and foremost the rules: for starters they were balanced like utter shit by someone who's on record for saying math is an opinion**, and that nerfed tyranids into the ground as revenge for lost games in the previous edition; secondly it was a dramatic shift from the highly customisable unit profiles of the previous incarnations of the codex into stricter profiles, but those profiles grew in number massively, before the 5th ed codex, all these units weren't a thing in normal 40k
>tervigon*
>tyrannofex*
>harpy*
>trygon prime
>mawloc (you could argue there was the red terror for this though)
>tyranid prime*
>hive guards
>pyrovores
>swarmlord
>doom of malantai*
>parasite of mortrex*
>venomthropes
>mycetic spore* (drop pod later replaced by the tyrannocite)
>ymgarl genestealers*
it also added to the 40k roster forge worlds models like the trygon, winged warriors and winged rippers, and that wasn't a normal thing at all
*without models at the start, they were added for the joy of converters, which is also why nids have still an impressive presence online in terms of hobbyists with a knack for sculpting and converting

the fluff was also dense of new info in a way that was different from previous books, and either unrepeated or merely copied afterwards, perhaps with the notable exception of the push to characterise the secondary hive fleets in the 8th edition book
it was one of the worst codexes due to the rules, due to cruddace tyranids suffered from 5th until 8th, staying afloat with one cherrypicked op combo at a time, but it absolutely wasn't a bad codex by other metrics such as fluff and artworks

>>96731535
**before the 5th edition codex the meta choice for tyranid termagants was spinefists, plenty of players had dozens or hundreds of them assembled that way, cruddace not only rebalanced the unit option but made it objectively worse in all potential contexts than the fleshborer, and when he was asked about it, shown the math that made spinefists objectively inferior in any and all instances, he replied with that being just his opinion.
the positive thing in the termagants ordeal at the very least, was that he reintroduced in the rules the old equipment options (spike rifle and strangleweb) that we finally got bits for in this edition.

>>96731481
why dont you let jewtube tell you, bitch!

>>96731518
The default was Genestealer Clan with optional Genestealer Chaos Cult rules, so you can stop trying to peddle it like GS were Chaos by default

>>96731516
I have 4 heavy lascannons, a siege cannon and heavy weapons teams in my list if that means anything

>>96731543
Genestealers should still have chaos cult rules. It'd add more flavor.

>>96731496
I'm sorry anon, Chaos is too HUMAN'd now to properly process what little and alien tyranid emotions have, after all alien ichor doesn't even feed Khorne :)
And Abaddon is destined to tame all of Chaos and put it under his foot

>>96731542
>clicking videos that are GW ads
i refuse

>>96731543
>you can stop trying to peddle it like GS were Chaos by default
It's almost like I put brackets around the Chaos part of Chaos Genestealers for a reason, to indicate that there's Chaos variants of them, just like everything else. Because Chaos was everywhere.

>>96731543
>chaos was a side show in old editions!
>just because it was in ork and GSC rules, it doesn't mean anything!
lol

>>96731554
Nah its pretty dumb, stacking an [Evil] template on top of an [Evil] thing is World of Warcraft-tier writing and is genuinely embarrassing.

>>96731379
>Literally not a thing in any codex BEFORE
When do you think behemoth and kraken were defeated?

>>96731562
I was just pointing out how it wasn't default flavour at all and was also axed as soon as 2E came out. So much for "older editions" huh?

>>96731568
presentation matters, silly
the way 5th codex handled it was quite different in tone and fanfare

>>96731573
No, it wasn't, you're running on memes or bias.

>>96730817
I fucked it up.

Reminder that if someone is clearly facetious/dishonest, point it out and leave.
If someone is so petty as to privilege bad faith over self-reflection, they will not suddenly receive an epiphany.

This isn't elementary school, people here are either in their very late teens or well into adulthood, being a faggot online is a life choice and you will not change it.
You do not need to convince people that something is true or your opinion has value, as they do not grant anyone or any word value.

Things are, or things aren't. Anyone and everyone can reach the same conclusion if it is truth, if they don't they willingly choose not to.

Some people are lost, do not lose yourself trying to get to them.

>Lorefag thread

I just want to play wargames...

>>96731570
>it's not all older editions!
>only those that I say so
>btw 6e is not old despite having been released more than 20 years ago
least delusional midhammer fag

To the anon that suggested Crimson Fists for my space marines, thank you these guys are significantly more interesting than the chapter I was considering

>>96731593
>I just want to play wargames...
If that were true then you wouldn't be on 4gooks /40kg/ posting wojaks and basedjaks, you insufferable faggot.

>new Archon being scalped for 70 burgerbucks on eBay
Holy fuck, man.

>>96731554
Unfortunately gw hates flavour and more than that it hates cross compatibility.

>>96731594
What? I just joined the conversation, christ do I really REALLY have to post NTA any time I wanna point something out? Quit lashing out like a moron
Either way yes, Chaos GSC aren't really a thing beyond retconned RT fluff & one time Cult Tenebrous was flung into Garden of Nurgle and turned into zombies.

>>96730765
>doesn’t think the power-kanabo is the coolest shit out there
Are you gay?

>>96730816
Yeah, imagine

>>96731593
>>96731598
Oh look. Here's you. A few days ago. Same image.

>>96731608
>You don't like the dildo stick?
>Are you gay?

>>96731553
>I have 4 heavy lascannons, a siege cannon and heavy weapons teams in my list if that means anything
god it keeps getting worse, heavy weapon teams that hit on 5s, meaning they have to be in the open meaning your opponents can, if they go first pop out and blow them off the table before they do anything (unless you order them which means you're wasting orders to get them to hit on 4s

>>96731610
>archivefaggotry

>>96731616
>the terminal faggotry that you have

>>96730679
that banner looks gorgeous

>>96731608
It would have been cool for White Scars, for Iron Hands it's just odd and comes out of nowhere. Like an Ultramarine with a katana.

>>96731609
It's a legionaire, anon, ultramrines may be roman but not all romans are ultramarines.

>>96731562
>Chaosfags so desperate is unironically trying to pretend that Orks and Genestealer models counted as a chaos focus
Wow

>>96731622
He loves his banners.

>>96731593
>>96731610
>>96731619
>same random file name
>just facetious baiting and shitposting
this is a good use of the archive, to out trolls like this faggot

>>96731630
banners are great

>>96730831
It's only one of possible endings

>>96731629
>please forget that CSM and GSC even shared the same heavy weapons sprue in RT
no, cope

>>96731635
>>96731619
>>96731610
obsessed

>>96731580
Again, the 5th edition codex has a new Hive fleet shows up and the Tau evolving their weapons so fast that the fleet can't keep up. That's retardation on the level of that time Nids invaded a Forge World and the admech out attritioned them by recycling the dead servitors better, which at least was in an Admech codex, so at least it was wank in favour of the faction the codex was being written about.

Anyone buying the clown CP?

>>96731629
don't act superior, you xenosfags were arguing from ignorance, saying these things didn't exist and when proven wrong
>wow chaosfags trying to act like this was a focus on...
Fuck you!

>>96731654
no, sounds illegal

>>96731648
>Space Marines have plasma guns and Chaos Space Marines have plasma guns so it means that every marine release with plasma guns count as a chaos focus
How is the Year of Chaos treating you mate?

>>96731651
>the faggot sperg's out when struck

>>96731610
>archivefaggot

>>96731660
>xenosfags were arguing from ignorance, saying these things didn't exist
They were literally mentioned in the original post. But I guess actually reading might be beyond your capabilities

>>96731654
Phrasing, Anon.

>>96731672
your retarded idea of Chaos not being important in 40k until 6e because they weren't in a starter set has been proven wrong and retarded.
Cope, seethe, and fuck off, xenofag

>>96731672
your stupid ass didn't even know eye of terror codex existed

>>96731665
lmao, so this sperg has been trolling with the same retarded image for more than a year, and he dares call us obssesed

>>96731654
I would love to eat a cheese pizza off of a barely legal clussy

>>96731654
I would for my Drukhari but you can't take them in that army anymore

>>96731224
He is bronze

>>96731648
What do you mean "no"? Also, what's that on the Patriarch's seat?

>>96731665
>doesn't understand ritual posting

Holy tourist

>>96731629
at least orks could have chaos auxiliaries when souping was still a thing, right?

>>96731697
yep, modern nidfags do not know that back in the day they were low key a Chaos subfaction

>>96731714
>there were rules to have a genestealer cult that was also a chaos cult
>that means all genestealers were chaos and their faction was a chaos faction
dumb

>>96731678
>Making up the point of the opponent because otherwise you know you have nothing

Pretty sad. I never said that Chaos didn't exist prior to 6th. I said that Xenos had a much bigger focus. And I was "proved wrong" by a boardgame with Orks and Genestealer models.

>>96731679
Or maybe I didn't consider a single supplement back in 3rd edition, the same edition that had 3 new xenos armies, as a notable shown of focus. But hey the following global campaign they appeared on the cover despite the campaign being about a free for all with no real focus on any faction. So you also have a cover photo to add to your lists of successes!

>>96731714
Entirely this >>96731722, you are arguing in hilariously bad faith

Still haven't decided what to do for the october spooky collage so:
>odd
Obliterators
>even
Rubrics
>dubs
Green stuff abomination

>>96731740
Whats your idea for GS abomination?

>>96731740
Rubrics it is

>>96731693
Actually the App update lets you take Clowns and Corsairs in all Drukhari detachments again now so presumably the upcoming FAQ is going to fix that.

>>96731697
>"my lord you're sitting on a precious chaos artifact

Sometimes I wish I lather my PC in holy oils and incense in order to increase her performance

>>96731614
Cadian HWT's have heavy and so hit on 4's if you stay still. The detachment I am taking makes all INFANTRY models re-roll ones.

>>96731738
You know it's very funny. If chaos really had this much focus would they really need to grasp straws this much? You would think that if chaos was really the big enemy of the game since the beginning they wouldn't need to bring out shared weapon sprues to prove that they existed.

>>96731760
why not just do it? tech mana is a thing

>>96731760
>picrel
Gay

>>96731746
Masked spider woman daemon made out of black sludge with people drowning in it. She'd have a crown and a red royal cape that turns into blood as it reaches the ground.

>>96731611
Not every thing long and black is something your mother should put in her cunt, faggot.

Why doesn't Cypher use the sword?

>>96731627
Technically it's a Legionary but you're correct on this. I just think crests and Roman design cues were the wrong words for anon to make his point

>>96731788
It's meant for big E, no one else.

>>96730519
Tyranids are jobbers though, so at least one of those things isn’t a concern.

>>96731788
might be the anathema blade, big E told him to chill for a while still

>>96731793
>Tyranids are jobbers though
Only according to reddit memes

>>96731770
Sometimes I wonder if that's why it's started to slow down on me. I don't use it as much, hardly have time for vidya since there's been changes in my life. I'm sure it's due to parts getting old or something logical, but there are times when I feel that I've neglected a "living" thing.

>>96731801
Unfortunately no. See the discussion about the Cruddex in the thread

>>96731801
I don’t even have to reach past secondary material to note how easily the Tyranids get deflected. Dawn of War 2 and Space Marine 2 are infamously bad showings for them. It’s patently obvious that Vect let them into the Webway to have someone murdered.

>>96731728
>But hey the following global campaign they appeared on the cover despite the campaign being about a free for all with no real focus on any faction. So you also have a cover photo to add to your lists of successes!
You are either retarded or a dishonest prick because Eye of Terror as the name suggests, was about the 13th Black Crusade and deciding the fate of Imperium vs the rise of Chaos

>>96731771
>autists all about minmaxing and optimization don't want to throw away tools as long as they're performing their function
>REEEE GAYYYY
kill yourself immediately zoomzoom

>>96731786
>Are you gay?
>No, are you?
>BBC?

Why are you asking me those? Are you looking for a friend or something?

>>96730798
No they are not. Space Marines are autonomous fast strikers. They main mission is to hit quick and hit hard.
Sisters main duties are:
- Protection of holy places, pilgrim routes and VIP clergy members
- Liquidation of rogue clergy members
- Purgation/supression of mutants, rogue psykers and general chaotic chaff
Their equipment and design should represent these roles.

>>96730523
In the end only the necrons will survive. We are immortal.

Sadly that also means that due to the nids, most if not all biomass will be gone and with it the only way to return to organic life

elves >:(

>>96731817
>autists all about minmaxing
>Religious faction
>all about efficiency
I'm gonna be real, I hope for your sake that I'm actually much older than you.

>>96731815
I am talking about Medusa V, and how another chaosfag in the thread tried to pretend that chaos being present on the cover meant that the campaign had a chaos focus. Not beating the "chaosfags can't read" allegations.

>>96731829
So you just know nothing about the setting

>>96731822
>In the end only the necrons will survive. We are immortal.
Nope. They are fucked too for a variety of reasons.

>>96731820
Astartes are dudes in power armor with bolters, they are called battle brothers.
Sororitas are gals in power armor with bolters, they are called sisters of battle.

If you want to get hung up on the details and miss the forest for the trees, be my guest.

>>96731822
Only fags don't enjoy being a cool robot skelly anyway

>>96731814
>using secondary material in the first place
IDK what compelled you to do that?
Either way nids get enough wins in non-secondary materials so as a nid collector I am mildly content

>>96731834
I REALLY hope you're a stupid kid. Better be a stupid kid than a stupid adult. But I do suppose retarded adults started of as retarded kids.

>>96731832
Medusa was centered around Chaos, too, you dipshit. It's about the Warpstorm arriving to consume the system.

Imperial and Eldar wanted to evacuate or stop it.
The Tau were there to study it.
The Necrons wanted to use the Pylons to stop it.
Tyranids and Orks were wild cards.

In the end, the Warp consumed the planet but the Imperials managed to evac much of the planets population

>>96731849
Hey bud it's okay, read a codex or two to get a feel for the setting and see if it's your kinda thing!

>>96731778
>Masked spider woman daemon made out of black sludge with people drowning in it. She'd have a crown and a red royal cape that turns into blood as it reaches the ground.
Does she have huge breasts as well?

>>96731822
you could have argued that back when necrons were still their 3rd ed selves.
but since then they've been nerfed as a threat multiple times.

remember when some retard added that all it takes to kill a necron permanently and prevent its reanimation or phase-out was to cut a specific tube in its neck?

>>96731820
>Space Marines are autonomous fast strikers.
I dont understand how people overlook this aspect so often, space marines are not supposed to win wars on their own but to turn the tide in a battle.
That's why they have drop pods to get into key locations to capture important places, kill key targets etc.

>>96731820
The primary function of sisters is getting captured and fisted by Wych Cults.

>>96731814
DESU both Dawn of War 2 and Space Marine 2 did a very good job of making them threatening despite losing at the end. And they don't even actually lose in SM2, you stop them from winning but they war is still going on.

>>96731855
Oh thank god it's a stupid kid

>>96731854
>Warpstorm is Chaos
Warpstorms are glorified scenery and are not alive.

>>96731854
Lol. You are really grasping at straws.

>>96731871
There's that projection again!

>>96731871
NTA but
>Calls things he doesn't like gay
>Calls others kids
Lol

>>96731857
Remember when GW released a two book series with a Necron protagonist which had like six different reasons to stop Necrons from actually reviving?

>>96731875
>>96731873
You are, dipshit. As the campaign progressed, the daemons of Chaos flooded the world steadily, overrunning the warring factions until they retreated or were left stranded on the planet.

It aws a race against time and the loser got nom'ed by daemons.

>>96731891
I guess for what you are used to, being used as a glorified scenery hazard is actually a big shown

Hey Archivebro, do you have my drunk tangent about humanity switching sexual dimorphism in the next couple hundred thousand years? I still think about that post like once a week.

For context: the thread question that day was
>post your army and your kink
and virtually half of the kinks were some submissive shit, which led me to form the hypothesis in question.

pic unrelated

>>96731879
I mean you could be a grown ass man who acts and talks like an immature faggot. Akram's razor and all.

>>96731887
I can call you gay if you want.

>>96731897
Actually, Fall of Medusa is a microcosm of the 40K galaxy's fate.

>>96731728
>>96731769
>>96731832
>>96731875
>>96731897
You don't need to be a chaosfag to see how you're all delusional and coping about Chaos being the big bad of 40k no matter how many times xenos were in starter boxes.

>Go on family trip to a used bookstore
>Find 8E Craftworlds codex
Pleasant

Finished two blightlords today, starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel. I gotta practice clothing I'm afraid, it looks rather sloppy.

>>96731900
Stillmania is the best filter. How people react to it tells you everything you need to know.

>>96731903
these are the kind of idiots mad at videogames like Space Marine 1 and 2 for revealing that the real threat was Chaos all along.

>>96731814
>Dawn of War 2 and Space Marine 2 are infamously bad showings for them.
in the first nids are playable and have a victory situation like all others
in the seconds nids as an invasion force aren't actually defeated at all, despite the overdramatic synaptic backlashes added for gameplay reasons

their introduction is about wiping out a deathwatch team with gargoyles, gaunts, rippers and one warrior
a carnifex practically kill THE movie marine protagonist
the virus bioweapon that was this insanely vital mission for the deathwatch team only served to slow them by a few hours or days
the defeat of the hive tyrant, if it was a poor showing for the nids, wouldn't have involved dropping a monument on top of it to wound and isolate and then gang on with multiple players, it would have been an epic 1vs1 with the protagonist at full strength
and again, its death doesn't spell the end of the invasion, despite the narrative then moving towards the chaos threat, the tyranid invasion is still absolutely ongoing and winning

if you take this as a poor showing it only underlines how certain fans are unable to view anything without some absurd amount of bias so they can shitpost about anime power levels or vs battlers as if their favourite thing winning was a personal thing

>>96731903
you are the only one that keep mentioning starter boxes dude.

>>96731455
>Coping this hard

Should 40k feature more characters with big witch hats?

>>96731921
this you?
>>96731270
>>96731279

>>96731923
I think it's cute that you lose on your own made up ground.
Skulls are not the SM equivalent to fleurs de lys, but if they were sisters would still have more lmao.

Keep yapping!

>>96731930
Yes, but only for Eldar.

>>96731914
>the tyranid invasion is still absolutely ongoing and winning
Nids are and always will be the least significant xenos, no matter how many planets they eat.
Just NPC bugs, jobbers, and plot devices for the real protagonists of the setting.

>>96731933
those posts mention the starter boxes amount forty other things. Meanwhile you can't avoid but mention them every other post you make. We know that Chaos is the big bad now, just accept that instead of trying to gaslight people about Orks models thirty years ago being a chaos release in disguise.

>>96731942
>Skulls are not the SM equivalent to fleurs de lys
They are
>>96731942
>sisters would still have more lmao.
Nope, how's my cock feel in your mouth?

>>96731950
Can you at least tell me that you are merely shitposting and aren't genuinely so far removed from how a sane person engages with fiction and entertainment?

>>96731901
>Akram's razor
You are a dumb gorilla nigger, the most vantablack gorilla nigger of all time.

>>96731952
Chaos has always been the big bad. It's baked in the backstory of the setting since the start, you delusional xenofag.
You were the one bringing up starter boxes, cherry picking releases, and pretending 6e was an anomaly

>>96731950
>least significant
>sporting most extensive and well-supported model range of all xenos only rivaled by maybe Necrons
>cross-kit compatability
>unlimited posability with ball-jointed limbs in the age of weird CAD offcuts
>with bespoke Killteam
>and beautiful Necromunda models too
It seems my superiority has caused some controversy.

>>96731964
lol, you're the insane sperg pretending that nids are going to "win" in 40k

>>96731955
>they are
Then why do sisters also have skulls? Are there a subtype of skulls?

>retard addicted to being wrong is obsessed with trying to establish "dominance"
What being fatherless does to a motherfucker.

>>96731970
Could a dumb gorilla nigger type this with his feet?
OH SHIT

>>96731976
funny that you mention Necromunda. I guess their gangs having their own game, and multiple mini ranges, means they're more significant in 40k going by your retarded reasoning

>>96731976
It's just marinefag cope for getting dogshit primaris models. "Well at least we're the protagonists of the setting!!!" lmao

>>96731976
Have an expanded version

>>96731988
>Well at least we're the protagonists of the setting
That's Chaos though.

>>96731971
>>96731971
>It's baked in the backstory of the setting since the start,
Nope, it got added in two supplements shared with WHFB
>You were the one bringing up starter boxes
Nope. See >>96731171.

>cherry picking releases
I listed most mayor releases of the first 5 editions, meanwhile you focused on a card game and a boardgame with more grots models than chaos space marine models.
>and pretending 6e was an anomaly
It wasn't an anomaly, it was a change of direction.

I guess once your gaslighting has been exposed all that remains are lies. Pretty sad.

>>96731988
perfect example of how a lot of the anti-primaris hate is not organic, and instead driven by envious xenofag shills

>>96732007
>more cope
lmao

>>96732007
nta but I'm a marine fag and I dislike primaris on all levels.
I've been trying to make them work for nearly 10 years now.

>>96731987
>This thing being another game means that they are significant in this game
What

>>96731988
They would do that even if their releases weren't shit, it's an intrinsic behaviour of the type of spergs that secondary memes hook.

>>96731976
This is all just cope.

>>96731979
>>96731955
Both of you are WRONG. WINGED skulls are astartes' fleur de lys. Regular skulls are just Imperial fashion. Now go to a motel or shut up.

>>96732002
>two supplements shared with WHFB
Co-written at the same time as RT, and the first chaos marine was released even earlier
You don't understand how important these books were. Literal cut off game content sold as day 0 DLC in modern terms
>I listed most mayor releases of the first 5 edition
bullshit, you cherry picked a biased list while ignoring on purpose stuff like Witchhunters and the focus on the Inquisition since 2e
>I guess once your gaslighting has been exposed all that remains are lies. Pretty sad.
projection and a confession of being disingenous

>>96731995
Brain window is such a slutty thing.

>>96732026
You need to be a special kind of retard to care who's the protagonist, jobber or whatever else in lore that literally exists only to sell more plastic models. Just buy whatever you think it's cool

>>96732038
>Both of you are WRONG. WINGED skulls are astartes' fleur de lys
No, fuck off.

>>96732029
NTA and you can argue about lore and narrative but from a model standpoint Tyranids are one of the factions if not the faction in the best spot in 40k. Marines arguably are the one in the best spot but a lot of Marine players will disagree with that.

>>96731900
>do you have my drunk tangent about humanity switching sexual dimorphism in the next couple hundred thousand years
Unless women turn into 3 meter tall amazons with giant breasts, thick strong thighs and wide hips, then I don't want it.

>>96732039
I see that after trying to pretend that Orks models were a chaos focus now you switched to Imperial releases being a chaos focus

>>96732057
>btfo
>swiches tactics to nonsense that nobody said
cope, nidfag

>>96732066
>>swiches tactics to nonsense that nobody said
>while ignoring on purpose stuff like Witchhunters
Other lies?

>>96732048
>Tyranids are one of the factions if not the faction in the best spot in 40k
No, that's still marines.
Even most of tyranid refresh in 10th was useless shit.
Nobody asked for shit like the barb gaunts and neurogants. Then you got low effort shit like lictors but small, lictor but psychic and then a venom crawler reskin.
Only things that mattered and were an actually good additio were the screamer killer and the norn emissary.

>>96731900
>humanity switching sexual dimorphism in the next couple hundred thousand years?
In a couple hundred thousand years we are either going post singularity and be basically unrecognisable as humanity or we are bombing ourselves back into the stone age, in which case the original sexual dimorphism is coming back with a vengeance

>>96732082
Read the rest of the post. I agree on being Marines, but a lot of Marine players would disagree with that because Primaris, because of bad updates or because of the stuff that got squatted.

>>96732069
shut the fuck up, xenonigger

>>96732101
>Post 2 Imperial Codexes
>Totally chaos bro!

>>96732105
>Chaos was not a focus in 3rd or the big bad reeeee
shut up, xenonigger

>>96732082
>Only things that mattered and were an actually good additio were the screamer killer

The screamer killer was sheer nostalgia bait and a terrible kit. A new Carnifex kit consisting in a recut of the old one with less moldlines and with the fucking chimneys on the back that don't need forced alignment would have been far superior

>>96732082
>Then you got low effort shit like lictors but small
Literally were in the 3E codex and share great design cues with Deathleaper
You're just a mad nid hater

Cool table terrain I saw on reddit

>>96732112
>Xenos gets 3 new armies
>Imperium gets 2 new codexes
>Chaos gets a global campaign that they lose
The whole fact that you need to bring out Loyalist codexes instead of, you know, actual chaos material speaks a lot.

>>96732125
go back

>>96731930
Don't post my wife in these shitty threads

Remember, the price of freedom is constant vigilance.

>>96732136
Pound sand retard

>>96732125
Lack L shaped ruins cool but I fucking hope those containers are 3d printed or recasts

>>96730519
What's Vect up to?

>>96732140
I pound your mother every night you retarded redditor

>>96730519
What's the Malys lore? Is it mentioned she's allied to Yvraine or are the Ynnari totally unmentioned?

>>96732153
>>96732145
The lore about Malys and Vect is that both of them get very close to fixing things in Cumrag but they keep trying to out-keikaku one another which causes all of those plans to fail instead of allying

>>96732128
yeah, it says that you're a retard that confuses factions being playable with their relevance in the setting.
Also funny how some xenos sometimes had to wait several editions for new codexes (like necrons), while CSM got 2 in 3rd and only has skipped 4e in their entire history (they still got Index Astartes and Chapter Approved, lol)

>>96732082
>Nobody asked for shit like the barb gaunts and neurogants. Then you got low effort shit like lictors but small, lictor but psychic and then a venom crawler reskin.
They're cool additions, the barbgaunts in particular are essentially an update of the niche of the very old small biovore because biovores changed design and size. Similarly the "small lictors" are to fill in the fact that lictors have been flip flopping between being loners and broods, so now we've got a small brood and the lictor can be the loner.
The neurogaunts stem from a very popular upgrade for gaunt broods in the old editions that gave them a synaptic leader, but turned into a unit.
The venomcrawler is shit, I agree on that, but fortunately it was ETB padding for the starter and gw didn't waste a multipart kit on it.

You don't know shit about nids, especially since you listed this rendition of the skrillex as a good addition.

>New Iron Hands character
>Surveys the battlefield with drones
>Is called fucking VAR
CAM ON AVERNII
SCORE SOME FACKING GOALS

>>96730583
It's funny to me that Kheradruakh is weirdly important in the lore; he's the stinger for the Path of the Dark Eldar trilogy, he seems to be the only actual threat to Vect, he's the only Xenos named character to ever fight a Primarch, he fought Helbrecht, and now this. All this for a mysterious weirdo who just likes to kill

>>96732125
neat, but the giant golden statue of a warrior looks out of place in a random Munitorum open air warehouse

>>96732138
Leandros was right and time will prove him right; the voice titus hears at the end of space marine 2 isn't the emperor, it's nemeroth's.

>>96732137
Your wife is stupid anon

>>96732184
Leandros becoming a Chaplain and STILL being suspiscious about Titus is genuinely good grimdark. It perfectly captures what 40k is about

>>96732184
>Leandros adheres to the codex
>Titus tells him to think outside the box
>Leandros goes against the codex
>people are mad he didn't follow the codex

>>96732166
Why does Cegorach not simply lock them in a closet till they fuck their differences out?

>>96732208
Vect has even managed to dodge GW's model makers, Cegorach has no chance

>>96732197
codex says to report suspected corruption to chaplaincy before the inquisition

>>96732182
Was my first thought too

>>96732197
Leandros wasn't right because the Codex says nothing about selling out your buds to the Inquisition and reaffirmed the long term necessity of marines in the Imperium and their own strict command structure. He should have been brought to the chapter to be investigated by their librarians and chaplains. Space Marines are supposed to be smarter than humans, they should be able to investigate the incident and make their own conclusions. Especially... ESPECIALLY... one as influential and powerful as the Ultramarines. He quite literally goes against every Ultramarine captain in history, ever single one learns when to deviate from the Codex on the battlefield. Including fucking their primarch himself he gives one of his sons a pat on the back for suggesting this.

>>96732214
What if a chaplain isn't available

>>96732197
Why did Titus ask Leandros to think outside the box?

>>96732188
Thats why I love her.

>>96732193
Leandros handed Titus over to a guy who liked talking to demons and subsequently got possessed and purged by the Gray Knights. Why was he suspicious of Titus and not the Inquisitor buddying up with demons? Because he thought he was smarter than his captain. It was a mistake. That does not mean that wasn't skillful, brave or there wasn't a better role for him to serve with his idiosyncrasies. This isn't just some grunt, this is a soldier that took the better part of a century to select, train and successfully survive the transhumanist process. There is a limit to the censor the will be applied to someone so valuable.

Do you ever play games against yourself?
Do you have fun?

>>96732245
[X] remove hat

>>96732250
What the fuck is going on here

>>96732268
Typical alpha legion shenannigans.

>>96731979
>Then why do sisters also have skulls
Same reason space marines have crosses
>Schizo cock gargling
I accept your concession, just let me know if you want me to put my skulls on my balls while you juggle them in your mouth

>>96732193
Leandros taking the role of chaplain isn't grimdark, it's logical

take for a moment the point of view of the ultramarines in command: they heard the report of leandros, perhaps chastised him from acting by calling the inquisition, but then they heard nothing from the inquisition, if not that titus was being held for further questioning, ultramarines aren't so quick to judge the inquisition corrupt, so they must have considered this silence or captivity as validation that there was indeed something wrong with titus, thus making leandros appear as having good eye for judging corruption, initiating him on the role that best serves that eye, and then he's had hundreds of years to prove his role and he reached chaplaincy of the second company, so it's not without merit.
titus coming back doesn't suddenly cancel the hundreds of years of straight, if a bit zealous, service from leandros.

his suspicion in titus is a character flaw, because it's a conflict of his self righteousness, but it's still absolutely valid, and even then despite said suspicion he's not been acting malicious towards him, he's been watching him as both judge and carer, giving him a genuine chance instead of condemning him again, he was at his bedside since the rubicon surgery.

>>96732286
>Leandros taking the role of chaplain isn't grimdark, it's logical
It's not at all logical and Leandros should have never become a chaplain.
Once he, a rookie returns alone from a mission and the chapter hears that the 1st company veteran is dead and the 2nd company captain got taken by the inquisition, Leandros would be lucky to even get promoted to a sergeant.

He'd instantly get subjected to the librarius for questioning. Questioning which means where they will forcefully scan his mind where he can't twist or even hide what he did to Titus. And they would see Leandros selling out his superior officer but also being a codex humping twat while also then being a complete tool and a hypocrite who then fails to adhere to the fucking codex despite his wankery about before hand.

BOOBIES

>>96732047
No he's 100% right and you're 100% a faggot

>>96732254
You will NOT remove hat

>>96732339
fug u

>>96732284
>SM skulls are fleurs de lys
>but skulls are crosses
And who makes these rules exactly?
Crosses for SMs are the symbol of veterans.
For sisters of battles? Well more fleurs de lys.

>schizo cock gay balls sucky sucky
Yawn

Sisters are female space marines
Sisters have a baked in nun/joan of arc identity that space marines lack
Marines are lacking on purpose, their symbols being generic, also on purpose and either work with any subfaction or can be straight up ignored, while Sisters' whole identity is being space joan of arc nuns.

I don't care about you or what you think, last (you).

>>96732227
>"Hey, [marine chapter], are you tainted by Chaos?"
>"No. We've investigated ourselves and found no taint."
Emperor created the Inquisition with the authority over all for a reason.

>>96732334
Get a dog if you crave attention this much

>>96732346
inquisition doesn't have authority over first founding chapters lorelet

>>96732325
>what he did to Titus
they would only find that he said the truth, or what he considers the truth: he saw the first company captain touched by the warp in an explicable way that warranted scrutiny and requested that scrutiny where was available
he would undoubtedly be tested severely for overstepping his role, but again, if the chapter checked on the inquisitor, they would have found him saying titus deserves to be in custody, making titus appear as having overstepped his role, but having done so correctly

>>96732325
In probing his mind they'd also find that Leandros did his deed in good faith as well as all that he witnessed Titus do.

>>96732352
first founding chapters don't have special authority

>>96732362
Ohh you're retarded

Leandros is Alpha Legion.

>>96732325
anon, just a few years after those events, Ventris (4th company captain) was sent in a suicide mission to the Eye of Terror for a waaaay lesser codex transgression than handling raw warp energy with his bare hands like Titus.

>>96732355
>making titus
Leandros

>>96731529
I'm the only one ITT who noticed this image was AI.

>>96731270
>>in Epic 40k, Chaos have to share an expansion book with Eldar because they aren't important enough to have their own
I thought Eldar (Biel-tan) came in with Baran Siegemasters (og krieg) and feral orks.

It's very simple

CHAOS = irrelevant faction
SPACE MARINES = the heart of the setting

Therefore CHAOS as a whole doesn't matter but CHAOS SPACE MARINES do

>>96732381
Baran Siegemasters kill team when?

>>96731814
>>96731863
DoW2 had a weakened, starving remnant of a Hive Fleet attacking. It was dangerous enough that Eldar deemed system lost and predicted said nids recovering. So they brought Orks there to slow Nids down, so there is any resistance at all defending this system and wanted to blow up Imperial planet to damage Tyranid ships nearby, deny them biomass and meanwhile extract hidden Craftworld.
In a base game you only delay and further weaken it and make an opening for Gabriel to arrive and finally start properly fighting it. Those Tyranids then stay there anyway for as long as Aurelian Crusades lasts so iirc like 2 decades. And Nids still can win in their Retribution campaign

In SM2 you don't even defeat them, at all. You pivot from fighting against them for a while in Titus' story, in the very last mission which is the only mission not against them, but then in Operations set after Campaign war against Nids still lasts. In fact Imperials act like Kadaku at least is lost anyway and destined to be devoured and they can't do anything about it. Next still unreleased mission is again against those same nids who now started to take over Imperial ships. You are tasked with reclaiming one of them, but turns out it's impossible and you have to blow it up.

The question is what the fuck Tsons are still doing there after campaign. They were only there because Imurah wanted to btfo smurfs and he died. It's not even like in SM1 where Chaos villain main goal was this Necron artifact. They should fuck off now

>>96732346
Weird how many Inquisitor's have been blammed by marines then, you would think they would all have been rounded up and executed by now. Hmm, curious.

>>96732268
Alpha Legion vs Alpha Legion
Just as planned, and The Alpha Legion will win.

>>96732377
starlink tribute

>>96732288
>Titus
>88
>chaos star on his collar
I don't know why, but he could be heretical

>>96732346
Inquisitorial authority is "theoretically" limitless, and yet they get stonewalled, manipulated, denied or outright killed by other Imperials all the time.

All new Combat Patrol boxes are limited. The previous Combat Patrol wave was all "Available while stocks last" as well. What kind of new scam is this?

>>96732390
Nah CSM don't matter either

>>96732413
whales that buy boxes but don't actually paint stuff are the main source of income. fomo is a great way to spur them to buy stuff