Thread 96735655

"I like games." - (You)

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This general encompasses all board game genres - Eurogames, Ameritrash, Ameritreasure, Fillers, Party, Abstracts, Wargames, and especially the game that one anon is autistic about at this very moment.

TQs:
- What's your favorite spinoff? (card version, dice version, retheme, remake, reimplementation, etc)
- Any spinoff that you consider better than the original?
- What new spinoff would you like to see?

Bonus:
- What OOP game deserves a new reprint?

>>96735655 (OP)
>- Any spinoff that you consider better than the original?
If expansions aren't a consideration, there is no reason to play Carcassonne over Carcassonne South Seas.

>>96735663
Except that it's not in print snd harder to get

>>96735655 (OP)
>"I like games." - (You)
Listen, you old school button masher, you sick lizard fuck, listen. Don't ever take my words out of context like that again. Anyway, Ares Expedition is the best TM game, and Slapshot deserves a reprint, even though they would fuck up the art and add minis or some shit

>>96735663
what makes it better to you?

>>96735701
The market you buy victory points from adds an extra layer of decision making to the game that informs the tile laying decisions as well.

>>96735655 (OP)
>What OOP game deserves a new reprint?
Make the 3rd edition of Serenissima
Helvetia but retheme it for "modern audience"
Craftsmen
Antiquity
Bridges of ShangriLa
Pipeline
Babylonia / Blue lagoon
Madeira
3 kingdoms redux
Tramways
Nations
Mombasa

>>96735655 (OP)
How we feel about this Dwarf chads?

>>96735718
I need to check it out. Have you played Small Islands? It's also a tile-laying island-themed game but the goals are private and change each round (there's a secret draft).

>>96735753
>Devir
I don't know. Good looking covers of their games but the games fade away quite fast.
Or maybe I'm confusing them with some other publisher.

>>96735726
I think Pipeline is getting a soft relaunch with a new theme.
Nations is also being worked on by the designer for a new version.

There are spinoffs that try to evoke some of the original flavor (Castles of Burgundy: The Card Game) and there are entirely new games that happen to use the same brand (Cardcassonne).

>>96735655 (OP)
Boggle is the only game I know that exclusively rewards skill and knowledge. Of course the board state is up the chance but once it's set you have a pure experience where you win based entirely on merit

>>96735825
you don't know chess?

>>96735849
>white goes first
>wins
nah i'm good bro, boggle is much more fair

Qrd on le havre vs Yokohama?

>>96735862
You think you can beat anyone, even good chess players, just by playing as white? let's be real here

>>96735862
Hilarious post.
Anyways, you usually play a few games to determine the winner and lessen this slight advantage.

Did I miss anon's review of March of the Ants? Still waiting for it

>>96735911 You did >>96729628

>>96735655 (OP)
Redpill me on Spirit Island and why you guys seem to hate it

>>96735726
Skymines is OOP?

>>96735949
Mombaseda is better

>>96735942
only the chuds hate it

>>96735950
Oh I fully agree, but it was about oop games that need reprints

>>96735655 (OP)
>Any spinoff that you consider better than the original?
All the card game versions of Reiner Knizia's auction games are better. They're space savers for an otherwise identical game and they eliminate unnecessary and boring arithmetic.

>>96735942
It's a coop game that falls into the same traps as all the other open info coops. And it's one of the coops I find are failed designs (like almost all coops, really) because playing it solo larping as more players is, gameplaywise, identical to playing with others; everyone has the same info incentives and goals, every decision gets made together. One might even cheekily call it multiplayer solitaire

>>96735971
You mean Modern Art Card Game and
Ratzia, right? or are there any others?

>>96735973
how can a coop game be mps?

Can you recommend me some board game design talks?

Just watched Cole Wehrle's talk on king making, which was super interesting

>>96736101
Quinns on wargames
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYaDXZ2MI-k

>>96736101
>Just watched Cole Wehrle's talk on king making, which was super interesting
interesting exercise in cope for shoddy designs?

>>96736101
Amabel Holland's video on player counts is great

>>96735655 (OP)
>Favorite Spinoff?
Elder Scrolls is a spinoff of TMB mechanically but it fixed a lot of that game's flaws.
>Spinoff better than the original
Astro Knights is better than Aeon's End.
>What new Spinoff would you like to see?
Xenoshyft 1v1 card battler. Bugs vs Corpo army.
>What OOP game deserves a reprint?
Terror Below, the unofficial Tremors board game. People really seemed to hate it but my group always had fun with it even if the dog was an overpowered cunt.

>>96735898
The outright fact that white has an advantage means the game isn't balanced for shit.

>>96736101
I'd recommend the decision space podcast. Not strictly about game design, but all (?) the hosts are boardgame designers and it comes up a lot. Quite illuminating at times amd a good podcast overall

There's of course the classic garfield talks about randomness which is ok too. Also lots of designer diaries to read, I'd recommend Mark Hermans ones

>>96736128
>Astro Knights is better than Aeon's End.
spicy take. can you explain why?

>>96736122
Nta but wehrle really has interesting things to say and I like his talks. Problem is that he explicitly wants to design shit (for me) games and I disagree about some very fundamental design question

>>96735898
>>96735909
nta but really how is multiple players being shown the exact same Boggle board and being left to it not more fair than chess?

>>96736139
Easily.

Aeon's End is a fixed market game and you got two ways of populating that market.
>Random
High chance of little to no viable combo effects making a decent chunk of bosses outright impossible to defeat.
>Planned market
Combos will rain like mana from heaven. You are going to win most of the time if you get the engine running.

Astro Knights, on the other hand has a random market with cards mainly fitting certain themes from where they are being purchased from. Combos are likely but not guaranteed and it keeps the game more varied. You may or may not have a run of good shit. You might need to mill a market to help another player setup a combo better. It's one of the rare times where randomization during play benefits the kind of game it is. If you are a player that loathes randomization, you will probably hate it though and there is a shockingly high number of gamers that hate randomization of any kind in a game. Euro players mainly.

>>96736162
He said:
>Boggle is the only game I know that exclusively rewards skill and knowledge.
That's retarded.

>>96736162
if anything it's more skill intensive unless you're playing 960 or something. Of course the player with largest vocabulary and understanding of linguistics (so they can make better guesses at something being a word) has the advantage but it's different every time and not just "oh i memorized a play from this position teehee"
god i fucking hate midwit chessfags so much

>>96736182
cool argument

>>96736182
Chess is a zero skill game that follows an "If, then" flowchart when you reach a certain level.

>>96736189
You're asking for something I never even argued.

>>96736183
You can win Scrabble by memorizing words. In fact, there's an American guy who plays in tournaments in other languages like French or German and all he does is memorize the dictionary. He doesn't speak a lick of French or German yet he has won prizes. Same would apply to that retard's game.

A crossword requires more verbal skills than Boggle because you need to interpret the clues and put your best knowledge to the test. Boggle requires vocab memorization and following a pattern. For a crossword, you need to be a native speaker of the language you're playing in but a speaker of other languages can play Boggle (and win).

>>96736140
> Problem is that he explicitly wants to design shit (for me) games and I disagree about some very fundamental design question

like what?

>>96736115
>>96736123
>>96736136

thanks!!!

>>96736291
I'm not disagreeing with you but crosswords have been solved (as a form) by hardcore crossword enthusiasts too. If you look at cryptic crosswords as a newbie it's hard to interpret but to those familiar with it or have studied the "art" of cryptic crosswords you can interpret exactly what is being asked by looking at one word in the sentence. It's such a trope-filled puzzle that pretty much every setter shits memes and in-jokes all over their puzzles and crosswords become just a bit of busy work for an enthusiast rather than an actual puzzle that requires much brainpower

>>96735942
>Redpill me on Spirit Island
I love coming up with interesting team comps, tweaking that difficulty according to the tables experience or comfort level, and different playstyles are accomodated by the spirit variety.
In every other game I play, I am a risk taking aggro killing machine. Except in SI where I am the support, my fave spirits are tanking ravages and handing out goodies, and I get more satisfaction helping someone out and stalling invaders for them until they reach their peak than I do cleaning up my own part of the island. Meanwhile my usually risk averse wife picks the killing machines with ebb and flow power cycles. Its a fun observation weve noticed.
Spirit designs are also, for the most part, very well done. Two may each care about beast tokens or manipulating the natives, but do so in very different ways that may not even compliment each other.

>>96736101
Spacebiff/dan thurot as a great presentation of how *not* to pitch a game to a publisher.

>>96736140
>Absolutely sensible disagreements with a creator's design philosophy
>in mah /bgg/
I love me some Cole, but this post is great. Diversity makes this place more fun.

>>96735655 (OP)
Asked to get spoonfed a game in the last thread, pulled the trigger on Paperback after finding a cheap and good condition copy on ebay. It looks fun. My thinking was it could be a good way to get the other two into deckbuilders, I like them already but Imperium was understandably too much for them and I think they would have liked Dominion but the only time I played it with them was at a board game cafe so they didn't get much time with it - if they like this I think they'll be warmer to Dominion and I can justify buying it since you kinda need the expansions so the cost is much higher. I even built them some MTG decks once but they couldn't get into it. I think they (and me too) will like Paperback. Thanks for the suggestion anon.

>>96735980
Medici and Amun-Re have card games.
anon is wrong about Modern Art though, the real game is much more fun

>>96735655 (OP)
>What new spinoff would you like to see?
Summoner Wars with actual minis and squads.

>>96735987
I think the post explains it quite well

>>96736840
>Modern Art card game is real
wut

>>96737089
Wait, what?
>Modern Art Card game is a different game from Modern Art
What the fuck
>Modern art card game removes auctions for a more streamlined experience
WHAT THE FUCK

>>96737109
>a more streamlined experience
Don't know about modern art specifically but this is oftentimes a downgrade

>there are basically no mid-heavy tilelaying games
How can this possibly be, the genre seems so underexplored? Or are bad tilelayer just so shit they don't even make it into production

>>96737165
Tile layer games are just shit in general. Good for playing with grandma, and that's about it. Nobody who wants to build a heavy game would want to center it around such a shit system.

>>96737228
>5 out 6 games are decided by luck
>this is no indication of how skill-based the game is
Dice brains are literal retards.

>>96737165
Feels like it can get really pedantic at where you draw the lines of what constitutes "tilelaying".
>Tile Placement games feature placing a tile (or similar piece) to score VPs or trigger actions.
So Go may not fall into it, Affo apparently does. Does that mean half those Splotter games fit the genre?
For me it feels more about relational positioning of variable pieces more than action triggering and effects, so it's somewhat understandable that 4 sided pieces can produce only so many layers of depth before you start slapping systems on top

>>96737212
What did tile laying games do to make you this angry at their existence?
Did you end up last at T&E one too many times?

>>96737256
I'm assuming all tile laying games are Carcassonne

>>96735959
Yes, Mombasa needs a reprint.

If we could get a tile laying Pax game (aka Pilex), that would be great.

>>96737254
Huh, fair. I suppose I would roughly define them as games where the it's the main mechanic and the majority of turns is spent on placing and dealing tiles/hexes/whatever. Wouldn't call affo a tile laying game, more wp dna in there. I would call Castles of mad king ludwig a tile layer for example.
Now would I call CoB one? My gut says no, the above definition says yes.
>>96737212
I very much would like to see one before judging. Maybe there are too few ways to increase weight withough making it shit, but I don't believe that.

>>96737262
Are you calling carcassonne a shit game?

>>96735942
I don't find it interesting. The game feels like a pandemic game. The big thing that I thought would interest me was the different spirits and the cards but they feel so lackluster to me. None of the cards are interesting, no combos, just fell flat.

>>96735971
I can foegive Razzia for cutting tiles to make the deck smaller but I cannot forgive it for cutting the disasters.

>>96737303
How would that look? Tiles would be filled with info like cards or what?

Are there any generally liked games that you dislike, not care for?

I keep playing Ra but I just don't care for it, it's fine. Modern art is worse. I guess I just don't like auction games. Never tried High society but I like For sale though.

>>96737165
What counts as tile-laying and mid-heavy? Is mid-heavy range from mid up to and including heavy, or some vague slightly-heavy middle-ground between the two? Cuzco, la citta, suburbia, babylonia and T&E come to mind. Cascadero is basically a tile-laying game too, and there's a significant number of train games that are medium and/or heavy and involve a lot of tile laying.

Tile laying is goated though so I wouldn't mind more.

>>96737310
>>96737165
Ginkgopolis maybe? Besides T&E and it's derivatives.
This does seem to be a niche that is not explored. Heavy tile laying games.

>>96735726
How many of these are actually good?
I only played 1/13.

>>96737310
>would I call CoB [a tile layerr]? My gut says no,
Nuh-uh anon! There's that one expansion when you get rewarded for building a paths of tiles between specific vertices on the edge of your player board. The tile placement isn't an aesthetic choice it's integral to the gameplay. Can't you see Feld's vision?

All right boys and girls, here are my thoughts on March of the Ants: Evolved Edition. I should note that I never played the first edition (I bought this blind because you guys said March of the Ants was cool), so I can't compare the editions. That being said, here are my big takeaways:
* Food is easily the most important resource to manage effectively. You cant easily acquire it during the worker phase (unlike cards and to some extent larvae), but you need it to take most of the actions AND to keep your ants alive. It's something I and the other players had trouble with in the first couple of games.
* The rest tiles are a neat idea. On multiple occasions, I've been in a position where I don't know if my current turn will be my last one, which makes the decisions tense.
* A single battle can change the trajectory of a game, especially early on. Losing control of a hex I expected to win can be devastating to my overall generation of resources. It's a nice change of pace from the Euros I normally play, where a loss at one point can usually be balanced out by a gain somewhere else.
* It really does go fast. Even in the teaching game with a player prone to AP, we finished in about two hours. But it doesn't feel too short.
* I still have to try the variants and expansions.

>>96735911
No, sorry for the delay. One of our players got sick, so we couldn't play it for a few days.

Anyone play Shock Knights with Poison?

>>96737393
I don't get anything out of Ra either. It's inoffensive, I don't break out into hives at the thought of playing it, if everyone else wants to play it I will, but I'll never suggest it and would prefer just about anything else.

>>96735726
add Tyrants of the Underdark to that list

>>96737393
>Are there any generally liked games that you dislike, not care for?
Don't care for root, spirit island, eclipse, TI4 and a bajilion tricktakers

>>96737393
>Are there any generally liked games that you dislike, not care for?
One Night Ultimate Werewolf, Decrypto, Trapwords, Masquerade, Splendor, Settlers of Catan, Skull King, Alhambra, Dominion, Marvel Champions, Downforce, The King is Dead, Subterra, Oceans, Mysterium, Cryptid, and Bladerdash

>>96737455
>[Has a]nyone play[ed] <obscure japanese trick taker>?
You, kind soul, are the only fag in the thread who has ever heard of that game.

>>96737313
I'm calling tile laying a shit mechanism only suited for family slop like Carcassonne.

>>96736853
Why? To be completely honest, I'm just kinda sick of minis. Chip Theory Games stuff has me thoroughly convinced poker chips are just outright superior.

Just played my 2nd game of GWT this morning.
Me: 65
Brother: 105
I don't know how he did it. He beat me in every category but cows. He got 4 train stations and kept moving his train around. Maybe 2 engineers early is really good? I know I fucked up buying 2 engineers that I did next to nothing with and 1 builder that I didn't do anything with, so not only were those wasted stops, but I could have had cowboys instead.
He got to go first and build his building that gives him 1 extra move and he put it right in front of the neutral building that lets you move your cube and move your train.
Maybe I'm just fucking retarded...

>>96735655 (OP)
>What's your favorite spinoff? (card version, dice version, retheme, remake, reimplementation, etc)
Arkham Horror: The Card Game

>Any spinoff that you consider better than the original?
Eldritch Horror > Arkham Horror 2e/3e

> What new spinoff would you like to see?
Lost Ruins of Arnak: The Card Game but hear me out:
> 2p - 4p Lost Cities press-your-luck style temple winning game with a splash of Air, Land, Sea
> Deckbuilding each round a la Challengers, depending which temples you win get you access to different types of cards for next round
> Async starting adventurers with special powers to swap cards around in temples, add cards out of order, etc.
> Resources you earn during your run can be used to buy common market cards between your runs

>What OOP game deserves a new reprint?
Era: The Medieval Age.

>>96735942
cus it's for blue-haired tranny redditors (i've never played the game)

>>96737896
Ive largely stayed away from minis, so such an option would be blinging out my favorite game through a fresh lens.
Adding an additional heroscape feel through terrain types and obstacles/height variation would also be awesome. Introducing additional plays and counterplays for range units, high mobility factions, and tightly knit unit formation synergies.

>>96735987
Worse, it's just solitaire due to quarterbacking.

>>96737997
>Lost Ruins of Arnak: The Card Game but hear me out:
Why does it need to be a spinoff and not just an new game?

>>96738043
Doesn't have to be - I just like Arnak's art and he already has a devoted audience that would buy it up.

>>96737896
>Chip Theory Games stuff has me thoroughly convinced poker chips are just outright superior.
I am unconvinced due to keyword bloat on tiny text space combined with awful reference sheets.
No thanks, CTG. Please do not infect the rest of the hobby with this terrible graphic design choice.

>>96738016
This but unironically

>>96737310
Name of that game in your picture?

>>96737441
Awesome, thank you, anon. Sounds like it's a buy for me. Another win for ant fans worldwide.

How many players did you play with?

Petition to oust Myself IV from our group. Sign below. That asshole cheats.

>>96738309
If Myself I was capable of making friends, we'd mever be in this situation.
Sincerely,
Myself II

>>96737896
>Chip Theory Games stuff has me thoroughly convinced poker chips are just outright superior.
So true

>>96738309
which one is the worst player?

>>96735655 (OP)
>- What OOP game deserves a new reprint?
The Carcassonne version that didn't have batshit insane gender ideology and fellating of the author on its box and within its rulebook.
It's like Hans im Glück wanted to distance itself from the Hans im Glück Nazi burger chain by being as obtusely woke as possible.

>>96735942
>>96735955
>>96738016
>>96738153
The game is decent and has a good premise, but it does fall prey to blue pilled nonsense.
Where's the scenario of Celtic tribes protecting themselves from the Romans, German tribes from the Christians or encounters with Mongols?
It doesn't need a "the Muslims have already hit most of the map and you need to revive your race" scenario, but at least some less "all villains are from Europe" vibes would be nice.

>>96738627
>less "all villains are from Europe" vibes would be nice.
That would be the Russian Tsardom

>>96737896
Their poker chips are not of good quality though

>>96737393
All of the fucking Elder Sign/Eldritch Horror/Whatever pieces of shit.
The outcome is always either a massive loss or an obtusely easy win. The game swings so hard and is so dependant on luck that I just can't give myself to give a single flying fuck about these games.
Recently I got to play Elder Sign again, thinking that I might see it with new eyes, but it's just as bad as I remembered.

>>96738649
Spirit Island reskinned as Communists exorcising the spirit of Capitalism when?

>>96738671
Gawd, what Id give to play Prague Spring as the good guys.

>>96738188
Damn I forgot, but I used it as image precisely because it's a tile layer that seemed interesting but actually is a shitty luckfest

There really aren't much of these out there and I wonder why

>Storm Goblins restocked
Fucking FINALLY
Feels like over a year Ive been waiting for it to be available once more.
My body is ready for IRL circuit shenanigans

>>96738309
He's been out of the group for a while, we got rid of him real fast
I don't think I'll 4-hand anything anymore

>>96738711
>MANIFEST DESTINY, a game where you evoke the powerful human spirit of tribalism
>EXORCISE THE CAPITALIST
>ERADICATE THE GAIJIN
>BRING BACK THE OLD GODS
>DEUS VULT
It's a dice game

>>96736840
>>96737089
>>96737109
>>96737137
People say it's a downgrade because there's always an attachment to the first thing they like and change is hard, but it is better. Similarly, just the small box changes expectations psychologically and disappoints superficial people. But the only thing bidding a precise number adds to any of these games is an additional stumbling block that hits first time players especially hard. Ra gets along so well with very few ranked bids, so it should be no surprise that Knizia elegance is retained without the freeform numbers.

>>96738766
>>BRING BACK THE OLD GODS
>>DEUS VULT
One of these things is not like the others!
One of these things just doesnt belong!
Can you tell which thing is not like the other.
By the time I rip this bong?

>>96737137
>>96738796
It was more what the fuck how do you take auction out of Auction: the game?

Best fillers to buy when friends already own a lot of the heavy hitters?
When they are absent from game night, my collections feels lacking for an ending palate cleanser.
So anything great that is not the following would be appreciated
Flip7, cockroach poker, 6nimmt, startups, deep sea adventure, the mind, love letter, skull, scout, coup, no thanks, and for sale.

>>96738658
You need expansions to fix those games sadly. Not a complete base game

>>96738888
Because that's not what Modern Art is. That's the theme. The actual game is hand management and incentivizing other players to specific behavior and the auction is a small part of the latter. Merely by playing cards, which has some expected value, you are doing something akin to setting prices or bidding. It's just not in discrete numbers.

>>96738615
What are you talking about? Woke Carcassonne? I missed that

I was about to hit post but then I remembered what you mean. Female farmers or something, I think.

>>96738658
They took the core gameplay of Reiner Knizia's Risk Express (aka Age of War) and added Lovecraft and more stuff. It's an alright thing if you want some light dice game. Knizia's influence is insane.

>>96738749
and cloaks are back in stock, finally

>>96739056
It's even less than that. They changed "monk" to "monk (or nun)", "abbots" to "abbots (and abbesses)", and "thief" to "traveler". The parenthetical changes for monasteries only come up once each. Most of the rules just say monk or abbot. The sensitization of thief is used throughout the rulebook.

>>96739150
does anyone really read the rulebook for carcassonne more than once?

>>96738998
Bohnanza
Red7
Panda Spin
Mlem
Spots

>>96739205
On more than one occasion I've whipped out the rulebook and counted tiles in play to compare to the manifest in the rulebook when thinking through my turn. But I think never printings don't have a tile manifest anymore. That's probably for the best.

>>96738888
That’s not what modern art is you tardo

Is horseless carriage worth it for $25?
Worst case, what's the going rate for cardboard per pound?

>>96739424
I don't like the game at all but for 25$? Sure go for it, you might be able to sell it if you also don't like it

>>96739424
I can't weigh in on cardboard per pound but in a hypothetical world where I'm not limited to working 40 hours per week at my job the opportunity cost of taking the time to teach and play once Horseless Carriage exceeds it's MSRP. Having thought that through just now, I regret buying it. I don't hate the game myself but I have never tabled it without at least one player hating it.

>>96739515
>in a hypothetical world where I'm not limited to working 40 hours per week at my job the opportunity cost of taking the time to teach and play once Horseless Carriage exceeds it's MSRP.
Unironically be careful applying that logic, it's a slippery slope.

>>96739545
I tend to prefer short games to long games but there are plenty of short games that I would be happy to play back to back for longer than a game of Horseless Carriage takes. My objection to Horseless Carriage isn't that it's a time sink it's that it feels like a waste of time. I don't want to wait around staring at indecisive people second guessing their factory layout. I don't want to keep telling people what tiles they have access to because they can't see the pictures under the meeples on the tracks and they can't be assed to flip their player aid over. I don't want to do all the admin work for the market board. I don't want to go through all the setup and teardown.

>>96735726
>Bridges of ShangriLa
A man of taste I see

>>96739515
Yeah, I decided to pass...just looks too fiddly, especially for my group.
I'm pretty much beyond cost anyways
A truly great game is easily worth $100
A good game isn't worth $5, given the opportunity cost of time

>>96733635
>the board almost doesn't need to be there,
That exists.

>>96739424
i liked the game at the original price so at $25 it's a steal and a half

>>96739545
It's not a bad logic to apply though, taking opportunity cost into account when choosing your games.
Some people stubbornly pick games they want to play completely disregarding even basic stuff like player count and duration, that's not how it works..

>>96739150
>and "thief" to "traveler".
You mean the highwayman that you put on roads? What a pussy change

>>96739762
>highwayman
Your Carcassonne set is less than 12 years old.

>>96739150
>sensitization
*sanitization

>>96739773
True. I like the more kino term highwayman:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highwayman

Thief reminds me of that Catan dogshit game.

>>96739742
No, I don't think it's a bad logic. I just know that this initially quite helpful heuristic can really wreak havoc. At some point you might be tempted to assign hobby time or fun a value, and that's just not how it works. Not saying anon is doing that, just that it's a slippery slope and I've been there. Might also just be a me problem tbqh
>>96739617
Ah I see. Does sound like you like the idea of the game more than actually playing it. I sometimes get that with having a lot of fun theorycrafting and then being a little disappointed the game isn't as great as I conned myself into thinking it is

>>96739894
Still better than that gay woke nonsense of "traveller".

Why can't Splotter reprint Cannes and with the charming original artwork? What is this horseless carriage bullshit? Fucking weird theme for sexless autists.

>>96739209
piña coladice
tiger & dragon
TEN
valentine's day
living forest
hanabi

>>96739941
Meant for >>96738998

>>96739939
Selling souls to the weinstiens of hollywood to land those juicy cigar connections would come off as crass in todays market.

>>96738282
Three players for three games, two players for one. The 2p game felt like too much of a snowball victory.

Dunno which of you guys recommended Imperium but very cool game, gf and I are loving it. We've played twice and had 2 draws

>>96739424
It's a fantastic game that needs a careful teach, guide, and people that are into all its systems and mechanics.

>>96739939
You can still but Cannes for 70 dollars+ shipping

>>96740220
Wait which imperium?

>>96740403
Classics. The other two seemed too complex for a first purchase. We usually like deck building games and got star wars and dominion.

>>96740430
Oh awesome, glad it went over well.
I still need to break beyond solo Imperium and teach to my more complex gaming friends and wife.
Tho my wife does not really care about historical civs, and may need to be drawn in through Captains chair.
Its a wonder she is such a big fan of Pax Pamir. It isnt for the proposed altered lens through which to view imperial power projection and the "subjugated" subaltern.
She just wants to steal kill your court, steal your points, and ride off into that sunset having tanked yet another dominance check.
That beautiful cunt.

>>96740430
i wish i had a gf who liked playing games. did you get her into games or was she already like that?

>>96738057
They got better at all the negatives you mentioned.
>>96738650
>They aren't good quality poker chips
As legit poker chips? No, they aren't. Kinda retarded to view them as such when they aren't meant to be used as poker chips. They are meant to be board game components and for that purpose they are pretty banging hitting the middle ground of felling better while being tougher than cardboard tokens while not being as much of a space hog as minis. CTG is about as "deluxe" for board game components that I find acceptable. I've got a copy of original TMB that has been played to death and other than light surface level scratches on a few chips (switching to matte surfaces addressed this issue) it's all still in pretty pristine condition. Then I look at pretty much any deckbuilder that I didn't sleeve and they are worn pretty fucking bad. Marvel Legendary outright cannot be played anymore because all the common cards are frayed to hell or falling apart.

>>96738658
Those are bullshit games. You should just accept you are there for a ride and not give a shit at all about the outcome because that's is out of your hands.

Anyone play Spire yet? Worth it at $80?

>>96740582
>Worth it at $80?
definitely. that's a good price.

>>96739908
The only time constraint rule I apply to a game is that if it takes longer to setup than it does to play, it's an outright bad product. It is worth note than any game that lets you play multiple games with the initial setup is complete is exempt from such criticisms.
Sadly, this means a fair amount of dungeon crawlers are outright bad games.

>>96740556
Don't listen to these whiny girls, pal. Poker ships are the future. Minifags are the past. FACT!!!

>mog the ever living shit out of you
Go play with your dolls, princess. Real men play with these beauties.

>>96735655 (OP)
>Carcassonne
That is a game that for some reason no one in my group like.
It seems like something we should like, but the game simply does not click for us.
It is just boring for us and we are the twats that can sit down to play Twilight Imperium without issue and enjoy brain dead games like Settlers of Catan too.

>>96740641
Don't worry. It's okay to be gay, Anon.

Today I learned that Simone Luciani made a rat game

>>96740625
I mean you could've found a pic of better looking ones to get your point across tbqh
I do like weighted chips and am very indifferent to minis but wood is still king

>>96740671
rats of wistar? thoughts?

>>96740641
Weird. I mean Carc is obviously very light and breezy, and I think it gets increasingly bad with rising player count but I always figured it was a game everyone enjoyed at least on some level, even if it's just looking at the landscape you built after the game

Can any of you Anons help me? Years ago I was eying a board game, but I forgot the name of it, it's board and art kind of looked like talisman but the character cards were smaller/it used popup minis. Any idea of what it could of been or am I just misrembering talisman?

>>96740671
are those the mice from Root?

>>96740725
It sure looks that way

>>96740582
yes except plan to get new sleeves. the ones they include are a disgrace

>>96740220
>>96740430
man I recently got into Imperium too, probably my first "serious" game and I love it and been posting about it here. Only deck-building games I played before this were MTG and Dominion. Started with Horizons but didn't take long to get the others cus I love it so much and found great deals on ebay. Who have you been playing as? I have only played solo, apparently the two player+ games drag a bit and have a lot of downtime, do you find that to be the case? I guess I'm hesitant to bring it to someone else right now and they get bored and confused as fuck, i suppose it helps that your playing with someone already familiar with core deck-building concepts, i assume experienced in heavier games as well.

>>96740582
Price is fine, but unless you're really itching to play co-op StS, just play the videogame. Better, cheaper, faster.

>>96740680
Wood is better for smaller tokens but not as good for larger ones compared to weighted poker chips. Both are superior to cardboard.

>>96740917
We play board games here, ma'am. Try >>>/v/

>>96740220
>>96740430
Get rid of the old scrap and get captains chair instead

>>96740687
Pretty good, it has less combo potential than Grand Austria but more combo potential than Barrage. Lots of avenues to score points in (digging and unlocking rooms to have more mice that make your worker actions stronger, house exploration and goals that give you bonuses, invention cards with GAH Staff style abilities and a nice action selection action that shifts every round and it's always random during setup. All in all, enjoyed it thoroughly but would not buy myself.

>>96741006
out of print + the art is shit (but who cares). I'll get it when it's available.

did you guys know Leder is making a GTA: the board game? not literally but the same theme. its called "Take". Such a silly name.

>>96740625
You are like a little child. Real men play economic games using good quality poker chips not those cheapass looking ones.

>>96741006
can the game be enjoyed by someone who has ZERO affinity for star trek? I wanna buy it an Imperium enjoyed but i could not give a less of a fuck about star trek, the theme actually puts me off cus star trek sucks. Hopefully they make a non trek version eventually

>>96741038
I wonder what the manufacturing process for these clay chips is...

>>96741038
Those are not actual poker chips. They are for Too Many Bones.

>>96741065
I know and they are low quality.

>>96741038
>denominated poker chips
Yikes! That's the shite they use for boomers and tourists. Real men play with chips without values. They remember what they're worth.

Speaking of poker chips, for 4-5 player games, how many denominations should one have? and how many chips for each denomination?
In general, not for any specific game
Would 25 chips in 4 denominations be enough for example? was eyeing a set that somebody was selling for like 10 euro that looks decent but fear they're not enough

>>96741091
>that pic
Lol you have no idea what you are talking about.

>>96741083
So why would any one use Too Many Bones chips to play economic games? Are you retarded?

>>96740556
Cope. Poker chips have been used as board game components for years now. But let's say I follow your logic thought even then you have Iron Clays that mog the shit out of CTG chips

I use some weighted chinese clays for Sheriff of Nottingham. For that game they're kino as fuck, really makes the deal-making have an impact.

>>96741169
Way to miss the point nigger. It's why would anyone brag about using low quality chips for their games.

the weak should fear the strong

>>96741209
Who said anything about quality? We were talking about form and function of these components. Replies need to make sense, maybe put that on one of those niggerluxe poker chips so you can remember it.

>>96741240
>Real men play with these beauties.
Nigger

>>96741271
Not a statement of quality.

Is Tank Duel ever coming back?
I just want an up to 8 player team based Tank fighting party game :(
Why is it forever OOP

>>96741304
Neither a statement of function.

>>96741313
Let's not bully the retard too much anon.

>>96741312
It's a statement of form and function. Beauty is not just "how pretty this looks".

>>96741313
Quality as in physical quality, that is, the ultra pricey nigger shit for boomers you salivate over.

>>96741038
>green 25's instead of 20's
U r like a little kitten out in the woods, mewling at the shadows cast by the dancing flames. Meanwhile beyond that safe ring of firelight are creatures it would shatter your mind to behold...

>>96741324
?
>>96741340

>>96741345
Tell me you have never beet to a casino without telling me.

>>96741340
Cope nigger

>>96741345
He uses kitschy boomer chips thinking they're elegant or something but traditionally it's 25 not 20.

>>96741389
I accept your concession. Turns out Too Many Bones chips are not meant for economic games. Who would've thought.

>>96741370
why do you use reddit expressions? go back

>>96737303
I'll see what I can do after this 4x one.

>>96741348
?

>>96741414
Yet you can play Too Many Bones with poker chips. Checkmate faggot.

>>96741045
The theme is irrelevant.

Damn. That new Heroes of Might and Magic game literally ripped off summoner wars almost completely. Zero shame, I guess...

>>96741567
Good thing they licensed a recognizable IP to make it it's own distinct product.

>>96741567
How much is copied?
This flash duel tier?

>>96741567
name the similarities

>>96741567
whoa. confirmed ripoff

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/3589938/comparison-to-summoner-wars

>>96741618
looks like they are removing some of the similarities after being caught stealing red-handed

>>96741618
what is it with Poles and stealing designs?? Gwent stole from Condottiere. Also Poles.

>>96738032
I mean, they did make a MtG version of Heroscape if that's the kind of thing you want.

>>96741038
I got clays for poker and some for other titles where betting and chip taking are common place. Clays are comfy to stack and fling around a currency, I actually prefer weighted plastic chips for sliding around a play field and, most importantly, being jostled around in a random draw bag. No way in hell would I shake the shit out of clays in bag because they will get damaged too easily.

>>96741120
It seriously depends on what the starting resource pool is, anon.

>>96741038
I really like those milanos. I ended up buying the mint set because I liked the labels but the test milanos I had feel a lot better and are better produced (mints had a bunch of flashing that needed to be worn off). Also, people that play green $20 instead of green $25s are like those chronic masterbating asians you see getting kicked off trains. Not worth even socializing with and definitely not worth shaking hands or eating any food or drinks they make from scratch at their game nights.

>>96741135
I'm firmly convinced paper and cardboard preachers don't play games enough to not recognize the flaws with those components.
Even more hilariously they will tell me to just "sleeve your cards" and "put token in coin protectors" and not even recognize that is an admission that their preferred medium is dog shit.

>>96735753
>>96735777
I haven't played enough Devir but White Castle is pretty great

>>96741831
Correct. Paper money is utter dogshit. That's the stupidest meme I've seen.
>Even more hilariously they will tell me to just "sleeve your cards"
these people sleeve paper money?? lmao

>>96741845
The only paper money I like is the way Millennium Blades did their paper money. It's a stack of ten bills with a band around it, but it's only worth the amount listed on the band, so a stack of ten 1's is only worth one dollar. It was done to represent TCG players spending a stupid amount of money chasing cards for tournaments. Of course, the same game let's you spend money to buy victory points highlighting how obscenely wealthy people can just pay to win.
It's a meta as fuck game.

>>96741045
It’s a complete evolution of the series and better in every way. Sold everything imperium after I played it. Only captains chair is needed

>>96741722
Gwent at least had the excuse of starting out as a throwaway minigame

>>96741926
That good, huh? Guess I'll wishlist it.

>>96740963
Except it was a videogame first, and this basically attempts to clone it. He asked if it was worth $80, and there's a much cheaper version out there that's better.

>>96740582
Really fucking good.
Every group that has played it has enjoyed it a lot.

However, the sleeves wear out quick, and it is just coop slay the spire. Take that as you will.

I had the chance to buy Captain's Chair a few months ago and didn't get it. Now I'm hearing the next reprint will be until 2026 or something. FUCK. ALSO they have 2 expansions ready to go wtf.

>>96742005
Any word if they'll have the the space Jews (the founders, not the ferengi)?

>>96739223
>never
*newer

Played Ra for the first time tonight, got in 2 games of it. Holy barnacles what an amazing time! That second game was so mean and tense, everyone was forced to make tough decisions and I lost by 4 points because I couldn't get one Flood tile in the final round. Skyrocketed to my favorite games for sure, can't wait for more.

>>96740641
Carcassonne is a game where you take a tile and put it down to get points. That's a recipe for boredom.

Also, it's fundamentally a game where the action you get to take during your turn is random, and taken from a limited and decreasing pile of actions until it gets emptied out. That isn't particularly captivating or conducive to long term strategy either.

>oh you think there's another road with castle entrance? nope
>oh you need this specific tile to finish your castle? it doesn't even exist :^)
It just devolves to tile counting, and I'd much rather play some card game then and not bother with the pretense.

>>96742476
>Carcassonne is a game where you take a tile and put it down to get points. That's a recipe for boredom.
Carcassonne and Tsuro are games I play occasionally with family so it's in more of a casual setting. If I played it more with "better" players I might end up agreeing with you, but prefer it over something like Sagrada(which is basically just dice placing).
Night Cage is another tile placing game I enjoy, but that one has a couple of other gimmicks stacked on top of the tile placing.

>>96742476
Part of the fun is in finding ways of fucking up your opponents. People who count are just autists.

>>96742594
Yeah, it's perfectly fine as a family game. Low complexity, low investment, better than lots of other family oriented games, but I simply do not get why hobbyists would be interested in it as anything more than that. Gathering a group of fellow travelers to play Carcassonne sounds mental to me.

>>96741867
Millennium Blades removed endgame scoring for money with the collusion ruleset
also separated the core deck and the store deck
good changes both imo

>>96735777
I think Devir's games are underrated and get lumped in with kitchen sink euros a lot because they have a lot of moving parts but the mechanics are generally pretty simple. Bitoku and Daitoshi are both really good and deserve more attention.

>>96742852
Why do you think they aren't more popular?
If the gameplay is good, as you say, they look good, they get mentioned a bunch when they come out...
It seems they never take off.

>>96742716
Seperating the core set from the store deck was the biggest improvement because it made set collecting much easier.

Kinda don't like the removal of buying VP though because that was one character's main schtick.

MB is a fantastic game if you got the right group of retards playing it though. Jaded TCG players who want to capture the feel of the auxillary shit from the hobby without spending cash to do so is an INCREDIBLY niche thing to market to but I'm happy as a clam they did.

>>96742979
NTA but plenty of good games don't take off.

>>96743114
you mean Fulton? I think having the extra money is still useful for actually playing the game by getting more cards, which is a bit more fun than just hoarding it for endgame conversion. also Collusion adds NPCs that are points which you trade cards for. since money buys cards you're essentially just adding an intermediary step that requires a bit more planning and set collection to produce those points

>>96741135
Paper money is only good if you tie up a bunch of notes into a stack a-la Millennium Blades. Single bills suck ass to handle.

card sleeve suggestions? ones that don't stick together after a few hands

>>96743317
I have a different opinion. When wealth is secret information, stacks of paper money are preferred to keeping chips or coins behind a screen. In no other situation is paper money desirable. If you are going to use paper money the best form of paper money is cards. They square up nicely, they are easy to handle, and they if they are colorful they do not give away their denominations when viewed from the side.

>>96743844
The fact that you have sleeved cards doesn't mean you can stop washing your hands before handling them, mate.

>>96743844
I don't know if the ones I use are brands used internationally but most of the games are sleeved with PYN sleeves, they're a little cheaper, the others with Sapphire, they feel smoother and less prone to sticking

>>96740588
>>96740905
>>96740917
>>96741996
danke, friend bday is coming up and they're obsessed with StS (still) but I hate buying merch

Had a funny interaction in Food Chain Magnate last week, in a 4 player game, we sold exactly the 200 dollars that form the first bank, which means that according to the rule it actually doesn't break, that actually gave people 1 more round which setup a huge radio + luxury manager turn that ended the 2nd half of the game rather quickly. I don't think that the player would have had the chance to overtake us in sales had anybody sold 1 dollar extra and broke the bank during that turn.

Speaking of FCM, I haven't even touched the expansion after 20+ games, would anons recommend starting to add some modules to the game or is the base game rich enough to still give us a variable experience?

Does which edition of INIS matter? Or are they all the same with different box art?

My play group is small but we like large complex games
Doing Axis & Allies Global now, love TI4 as well
Was eyeing Mega Civilizations, but I'm reading that both the 'combat' is deterministic instead of roll based and also you can't play with the full board unless you have most of the people - there are only 4 of us
Has anyone house ruled the game - we were thinking of maybe playing 4 civs at a time and house ruling in dice rolls but no idea how complex or annoying that would be
Any other massive expansive games we could try?

>>96741829
I know those 20's are hard to find. I don't think I've ever in my life seen grapes get this sour, though, it's kinda impressive.
>>96742979
Bitoku is awful, it's like they took Lacerda out for American sushi and then pumped his stomach directly into the box. I'm glad it had no staying power and no-one has tried to get me to play it in years.

>>96744046
>Mega Civilizations

>>96744021
Only got to play one match of FCM with the expansion and we used the new milestones module.

Maybe we're just noobs, but the replacement for the marketing milestone was straight up busted. Marketing campaigns give $5 per good marketed, so if you just rush marketing you'll be printing money. The guy with that milestone got $150+ on the last two rounds from marketing alone.

>>96744046
the point of megaciv is not the combat, so lack of dicerolls makes sense, it's just a numbers game because combat is a means to an end, not an end in and of itself
the point is expansion (growing your civ to get more/higher tier stuff) and exploitation (aka trade and lying in your trades).

>Origin story
>Superhero trick-taker from Stonemaier
>a simple trick-taker with powers
eh, doesn't seem like anything special or unique

>>96744021
It's your game, mate. Adding it after getting in a rut would be my choice.
>>96744025
The same, but there is a big box or second edition coming soonish if I recall correctly.
>>96744046
War Room, Here I Stand, Virgin Queen. Most of the great really protracted options are war games.

>>96744021
I would at least use the new milestones. We never went back to the old ones after that. Remember that starter milestones become unavailable after 2 rounds, ive seen a game where some people had 2 of them which shouldn't be legal at all
>>96744137
>campaigns give $5 per good marketed, so if you just rush marketing you'll be printing money.
Yes but houses have a limit of demand tokens on them, iirc 3 on regular houses, 5 on ones with garden. If somebody else puts advertisements that act before yours, they can effectively limit your ad revenue. And vying to be the one to sell to houses with garden (and park when possible) still far overwhelms any gain you may accrue from ad revenue so it's not that good to spam ads if you cant sell it all

>>96743937
i think it's a sweat issue, i have clammy hands. i always wash my hands but after about 10 mins of cupping cards they're moist again. i'm constantly wiping my hands during games too, i was wondering if there were satin feel ones that might be less prone to sticking
>>96743945
thanks i'll look into it

>>96743844
I don't know shit about sleeves. I bought some once that were great but now they don't seem to make them anymore.
I tried some others but they all seem too fat. The deck is 100% thicker and I cant get the cards back in the box. They seem to make them different thickness and some other stuff but then some slide more so you can't have a stack, others stick together too much... I don't know.

>>96744220
>a simple trick-taker with powers
that sounds like every modern tricktaker. The crew seems to be the last one that did thing different enough.

>>96744311
>If somebody else puts advertisements that act before yours, they can effectively limit your ad revenue.
Not when you are the first to go to planes and radio. The guy had a solid production where he was able to sell most of what he marketed, with only scraps being picked up by other people (until the last couple of rounds where the marketing volume was simply insane). Plus our game had lots of discounts trying to undercut each other, which cut heavily into the sales but not the marketing revenue.

I find it a bit weird to remove the $5 bonus from food/drinks sales only to add it to marketing. With the old food/drinks bonus we wouldn't have had this issue and the game would not have been a complete clobbering by the marketeer.

Again, maybe we're just noobs, but I think discounts become brutal with the alternative milestones in a way that doesn't really work unless everyone keeps to their sector and doesn't try to undercut each other.

Speaking of ripoffs. What game actually ripped off another game?

>>96744513
In the bgg forums I always read about people complaining about the new milestones and how some are absolutely broken in comparison to every other milestone (lemonade and marketing); the designers haven't replied to these opinions as far as I know but since they often reply to rules questions and the like, it's clear they are reading them but choosing to ignore them, and that sits wrong with me.

>>96744462
cat in the box?

>>96744462
Luz?

>>96744513
>The guy had a solid production where he was able to sell most of what he marketed, with only scraps being picked up by other people
what exactly were the other players doing? were they twiddling their thumbs? yes, if everyone gave free reign to the marketing player, it's a skill issue

>>96744653
Flash duel ripping off en guard.

>>96741840
As a dice euro afficianado, White Castle gets old quick. It's got good bones, but there are some serious balance issues depending on the board layout and the Heron track is poorly implemented and largely a waste of actions to invest in.

>>96744779
No, we stick one of our thumbs up our asses as we play so we can't twiddle them. What the fuck do you think? I just explained what happened in our game. Everyone was undercutting everyone else and leaving the marketeer relatively unaffected. The counterplay being "market before him" doesn't sound reasonable to me as he's the only one directly incentivised to rush endgame marketeers, and it's almost impossible to cause overflows if demands are being consistently met (which they were).

>>96744955
Hey that's fine even, it's a short game and it packs a punch for how cheap it is

>>96735753
One of the dwarves has a fucking septum piercing. Miss me with that gay shit

>>96744955
>dice euro afficianado,
what's your top 5?

>>96735777
Red Cathedral is pretty good and still holds up
and heard good things about phoenix new horizon but never tried it

I got a copy of this game. Honestly surprise about how good it is.
For a deck building game it is good enough.
The online steam version... people just cheat or have played this thing way too much.

>>96745647
and Rock hard and Cities and Bitoku and 3 ring circus and Salton sea and Daitoshi and Planta nubo and Ierusalem and Silk and Bamboo and...

None of them get any real criticism, they get pretty good reviews, not expensive, look good,... But they always seem to not have the staying power. White castle and Red cathedral seem to be the exceptions.

>>96743844
MTL sleeves
Phantom Sleeves
Dragon Shields
Katanas

>>96745783
I still can't make up my mind about 3 Ring Circus, I simply don't know if I actually like it or not. I play it every 2 months to see if I definitely like/dislike it but I just end up in the same spot. It has a lot of potential but idk what it would need.

>>96745678
yikes

>>96745783
Rock hard is a game you play a few times and then it's over.

I want a dumb dice game with push-your-luck elements. Is this a good choice?

>>96746005
20 strong tanglewoods mate. The one you posted is trash

>>96746049
>20 strong tanglewoods mate.
red, white or yellow?
>The one you posted is trash
that bad, huh? what's wrong?

>>96746005
try this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mia_(game)

in german it's called Mäxchen and we used to play it as a drinking game, where if your bluff failed you had to drink one sip, if you rolled a 21 (mäxchen - the highest number) and you manage to trick your opponent into not believing you, then he would have to drink his whole beverage (glass of wine or beer or whatever). that one was great fun.

>>96746056
core set

>>96744220
>Origin story
Is this game out? I thought it was just announced.

Anons that like Spirit island what is you opinion on Pandemic games (including the new derivatives)? Do you enjoy any of them?

>>96746835
Ive never felt interested in playing Pandemic

>>96746824
Stonemaier announces games when they're like 1 month away from release.

I've noticed I'm spending more time researching games, discussing games, and thinking about games than actually playing games. wtf

>>96746879
you cant always play a game, it requires a group of people. so thats natural

>>96746879
Every hobby that involves the physical presence of others can be like that for people really into it. I think it's worth it to reflext if you are having fun doing the research, learning the rules etc or if it is just a way to hype yourself up for potential fun that waits down the road.

>>96744046
>Any other massive expansive games we could try?
Europa Universalis: the Price of Power, it's like TI4 but if the political side was like in the 15th century, complete with rulers on the throne being important and marrying your daughters off to a duke giving you influence. oh and also war is kinda different, and science is very different.
Any 18XX, can specifically recommend Railways of the Lost Atlas, it's modular as shit and gets even modularer with the expansion so you'll be able to keep it fresh for a while, and the "break the bank" mode takes a lot of time to complete, just try not to go bankrupt or the long game will get cut short

>>96746879
what games are you researching?

>>96744046
Seconding EU:PoP. The biggest advantage it has over other large games is that it can support a variety of group sizes due to its different scenarios. There’s also a lot of variety there too with all the different playable major and minor powers.
I’d also recommend either Republic of Rome or John Company. They’re both heavy negotiation games where players control different positions within a large bureaucracy (the Roman Republic and the East India Company respectively), and try to leverage them to advance your own personal position. You have to work cooperatively to deal with different situations, but there’s only one winner.

>>96746879
That's just something I do when I'm about to spend ~$100.

>>96747036
>No country/state tiles in every color for map painting.
Dropped.

>>96739941
>piña coladice
I'm playing this on BGA. It's a fun and silly dice game. Really short as well. I think I'll get a physical copy to play with the folks. I'm: >>96746005

what are the bad COIN games?

>>96747277
Any game I want to buy, I have to research first. Watch a playthrough, read the rulebook, see if some other game does it better, see what edition is best, etc.

>>96747608
Anything made after Fire in the Lake.

Dare I back Uprising Curse of the Last Emperor? Will I regret it?

>>96747632
The answer to both these questions is the same, but you can pick which one it is

>>96747608
None of them are really bad -

Liberty or Death
Cuba Libre
Andean Abyss
Fire in the Lake
Gandhi
People Power
RDR
Falling Sky

I've played British Way but it's really more ICS than COIN. I haven't played Pendragon or Distant Plain. The only COIN I'd play without a second thought is Liberty or Death.

>>96747700
Be careful anon or you’ll summon that autist who hates Liberty or Death for being bad history
all of COIN is bad history

>>96744653
legend of the three kingdoms ripped off bang, tensao total ripped off diamant, bamboo bash ripped off toktok woodman, don't skip leg day ripped off sushi go, and I would argue that if flash duel counts as a ripoff, then big boss counts as a ripoff of acquire, too. there are also a zillion off-brand versions of monopoly and games like catan, carc, scrabble and ttr have online ripoffs

>>96747700
assuming that's ordered in list of preference:
what makes Falling Sky such a bad time? I'm curious about it since it supports five players with the expansion

>>96744653
Flip 7 ripped off Port (variant for Pairs). Harmonies ripped off everything under the sun lmao

>>96747819
tensao total is a reimplementation of diamant. same designers listed on the box.

I played Tragedy Looper today with my friends, went pretty well!

>>96747841
it was a ripoff, they got caught, and they worked out a deal with faidutti/moon after the fact

>>96747828
It actually doesn't, I was excited for the same reason because my used copy came with Ariovistus, but after I dug into it I discovered it doesn't add a player, it just makes the Germans playable.

>>96741867
Stacks of cash are such a good component it's too bad there aren't more games that do it, even though paper money sucks for every other use case

>>96747767
How is Liberty or Death bad history?

>>96744665
The one transcendant trick-taker I have played, otherwise you are better off playing cribbage or canasta or some other standard playing card deck based game. We bounced off the crew hard, but we bounce off all the limited communication titles as we have played together for 20 years, lol.

>>96745591
Grand Austria Hotel
Castles of Burgundy
Voyages of Marco Polo
Red Cathedral
Tiletum

>>96748386
ok
good
dunno
dunno
bad

where is Troyes?

>>96748406
Troyes is on my shelf, and I enjoy it but it's not an easy teach and some of the event cards can be a pain to look up(they're in 3 different rule books). Good game, but it doesn't make my top 5.

>>96747629
Really, Anon? You've played the 9 COIN games following FiTL, extensively enough to report that they're all bad? Or are you just blowing big clouds of smoke out of your ass because it's an anonymous board an no-one can check up on you? I don't know why anyone bothers to solicit real information on 4chan, if you aren't using this site for 100% entertainment purposes you're fucking up bad.

new thread >>96749003

>>96748227
If memory serves it had something to do with him not liking the victory conditions being based on eliminating units.
Overall COIN is not very good in actually portraying how insurgencies actually happen. Fire in the Lake is a fun game but it’s a joke if you’re actually trying to use it as a model of the Vietnam War.

>>96745104
How else are you supposed to tell male vs female(male) dwarves apart