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>>96741991
>Unvampiric Vampire
I guess I should have given him a name. I didn't at the beginning, because I started out thinking I was going to pick World of Darkness rather than the otherworld one, and so the name would just be my name. But then I didn't come back to it.

Post Danmachi

>tfw finally finished finding images
Now the work can commence, such as it is. I can't wait to see the other anons' works. I've been excited for it since this challenge started.

>>96741991
I think I’m finally gonna put my build together tomorrow. It’s kinda hard to envision what you can do, mechanically, on just a first read-through since it necessitates delving into the whole Sire thing to even begin your own.

>>96742030
Do it yourself.

>>96742070
Who are your five spirits, anons?

>>96741961 (OP)
Witness

Discover all the attempts at immortality in the past, learn from them, cross out the dead ends, and work from there.

One of my favorite short CYOAs. The fact that it's built on some Gamerfag getting his shit kicked in is pretty funny.

>Template
Hyper Wizard with Regalia and Cloak

>Trinkets
Eerie Beacons
Violet Window
Erupting Core

>Landing Spot
Witch Mountains

I wonder who amongst the eclectic cast of authors we have, have actually written a book?

>>96742162
I dislike like all the powers in this one, so I'm not fond of it from the start.

>>96742162
>meta
KILL IT WITH FIRE

>>96742194
Why is that? I think the templates stick to their classical archetypes well and are flexible enough to have some leeway on what they can do.

Meta-CYOAs can be interesting if they meaningfully change the experience of another CYOA in an interesting way. Like if your build in the other CYOA becomes the villain for you to fight in the meta-CYOA.

Unfortunately, most meta-CYOAs are just giving you permission to ignore the rules of another CYOA, which was always allowed.

>>96742222
I don't want to be a rogue or a warrior. I dislike painting based powers, I am not an artistically talented person, but it's the closest thing to a wizard. I dislike being obligated to anyone or anything, which is one of the painting template's main gimmicks. I strongly dislike reliance on external items or other objects for my powers, it's a massive weakness, but that's another one of its aspects, which makes it even more unpleasant.

>>96742185
lone observer

>>96742162
I like it. Reposting an old build:

>Template:
Exotic Painter (Regalia, Legacy)

>Trinkets:
Silver Gap: With Legacy, I can die and revive to freely travel between any timelines that contain my legacy.
Torrential Abyss: Infinite energy, completely solving the Exotic Painter's biggest problem.
Violet Window: Makes it easy to grasp onto Opportunities and improves Paintings.

>Landing Spot:
Alien Compound

Which one I pick doesn't really matting since I can go back in time to pick another one, but the Alien Compound is the best starting out because they are nice and I can provide infinite Celestial Affinity for them in exchange for their technology.

>Plan:
Travel across timelines to master all power systems in Wanderworld, starting with ACM and ending with the Wonderland rules.

>>96742162
https://pastebin.com/WAnfZ9i9

Never forget to post the pastebin.

>>96742238
>I don't want to be a rogue or a warrior.
Based.
>I dislike painting based powers,
You do it in your head so it's more like using your imagination and visualization.
> I dislike being obligated to anyone or anything, which is one of the painting template's main gimmicks
Fair enough.
>I strongly dislike reliance on external items or other objects for my powers
Despite being called trinkets, most of them aren't physical objects though. They're more like add-ons/perks to your power.
>>96742249
Thanks.

>>96742270
>Despite being called trinkets, most of them aren't physical objects though. They're more like add-ons/perks to your power.
I'm not talking about those, I'm talking about the Regalia and Cloak parts of the template.

>>96742231
Nah. Meta-CYOAs are never done well and are dishonest by nature.

>>96742162
>This CYOA may also be added to any build(s) post death
Let's assume you play a CYOA, but all your powers are replaced by those of your Otherwise build. Do you make it?

>>96742279
>I'm not talking about those, I'm talking about the Regalia and Cloak parts of the template.
I don't really see the problem? Those things are so intrinsic to your template they might as well be part of it, but I guess it's just a matter of perspective.

>>96742305
They're external objects. Things that can be lost, destroyed, or taken away. That's intrinsically a massive weakness, an annoying thing to keep track of and that your enemies can strike against. Items are always inferior to any internal powers, and I strongly dislike them.

>>96742304
>Exotic Painter in OR
>Art versus Writing
Kino...

>>96742304
I'd be frolicking in OR like a schoolgirl.

>>96742318
I'm gonna use Tsfira to turn spells into numbers, then turn the numbers into geometries and paint them into imaginary landscapes. Idk which goddesses will get an anyeurism but it'll be funny regardless.

>>96742318
>the Elder Goddesses fw when some retard ignores their narrative, starts spilling paint everywhere to substitute his own, and gets worshipped as a godhead in an entirely different underlying substrate

>>96742162
I dislike like all the images in this one, so I'm not fond of it from the start.

>>96742168
Is it just me, or do the Witch Mountains sound completely useless? Every other location seems to have extra power sources to interact with and gain from, but Witch Mountain doesn't, because their power is tied to their bloodline. Those obviously won't apply to you, so you can't interact with their power source.

STOP STEERING THINGS BACK TO OR YOU OBSSESSED TARDS

>>96742333
I honestly thought the same but the other locations didn't interest me that much so I chose it for RP reasons. And I can probably have my first Obligation there without issue anyway.

>>96742318
>Art versus Writing
Reality is just what you perceive it to be

>>96742338
But Anon, I haven't shared by collection of poems about each goddess and each world yet?

>>96742343
>Obligation
Gross.

>>96742345
I still have two unfinished solo builds and just thought of a third after writing >>96742325

>>96742346
>t. socially-detached guy who sits in the dark corners of taverns to brood
Glint Dancer's right there.

>>96742318
That is just Clair Obscur: Expedition 33.

>>96742361
Nah I don't like stealth, backstabs, daggers, or that other nonsense.

>>96742162
Glint Dancer is the rapist template.

>>96742333
The Condensate is still there, and that was the first source of their power. Unstable and jealously guarded, sure, but if you could harness it, who's to say you couldn't carve out your own mosiac?

>>96742367
Why do you say that?

>>96742373
Oh yes anon I totally want to have to sit on my ass for centuries trying to recreate the Godking's research when Glint Dancers and State Strivers have ready-made power sources right fucking there in their dedicated locations, or if I can just steal the mosaics from the 'excellent witches' the Godking made who have the power to give those out, unlike regular witches. Do you not get the massive difference between Witch Mountain and all these other places?

>>96742378
>get stronger and faster by stalking you
>release all that pent up energy in your ass
>reverse flash fuck
>repeat

>>96742392
You could, or just take the Condensate, use it willy-nilly, and endure the deleterious effects using your template and trinkets. The Witch Mountain is easily the lowest of the regions for quick power, but if you're in it for the long haul, it has potential, and is worth either stealing some of the raw liquid or integrating with the witches and fleecing their bloodlines for all they're worth.

>>96742400
The real coomer choice is State Striver, desu. Imagine the sensations it's possible to get out of stacking hundreds of nights' worth of compressed degeneracy onto yourself, or worse, suddenly dumping it onto an enemy that thought he was in a regular fight.

>>96742420
I see your vision, Anon. The real question is whether or not the State Striver has enough DISCIPLINE to pull that off.

>>96742420
>or just take the Condensate, use it willy-nilly
You have absolutely no idea if you can just do that or not. The witches are infused with the dead rabbit blood, it's part of them, there's no reason at all to think you can just splash it around, the only person outside of them to make any use of it had to integrate into an artifact or find a way to modify witches so they could grant it, through ages of reserch.
>Fleecing their bloodlines
You also can't do that, you can't gain their bloodlines. The only way to benefit from them would be to fuck witches then die and reincarnate from your spawn via Legacy, but there's zero way for you to actually guarantee that's how Legacy will trigger.

>>96742432
>fuck witches
based

>>96742429
Easy, just take the fuming temptation state and periodically shuffle it to reinforce an iron willpower.

>>96742432
>fuck witches
And now you see my raison d'etre. My own choice would be to go for the Vigorwoods and experiment with redundant organs, with the long-term goal of developing polyp-phylacteries that can anchor my soul if it's suddenly thrown out of my body. To do that, though, I'm bound to need a flood of Condensate channeled through a very specific bastardised pseudo-tapestry. I agree with you, stealing the Godking's research is the best move but when the Godking returns, dealing with him is bound to be a bitch and a half, so I'm hesitant to make hostile overtures until I can establish contact.

To do that, I've got to be strong enough to negotiate from a position of strength, ergo, the Vigorwoods again. I imagine an entire self-contained ecosystem of impossible organs spasming against each other, running on a wretched furnace of stolen Condensate and whatever I can alloy it with. Magitech flesh mecha.

>>96742459
>>fuck witches
>And now you see my raison d'etre
It's been a while since I had such an uncontrollable laughter. Thanks for that anon.

This is how desperate virgin anons will treat their annoying nagging harem of waifus in the future when they grow tired of constant sex.
While anons who marry 1 true love waifu will live a happy life.

>>96742485
This could also be the future of monofags when they realize they're trapped with the same boring waifu while haremchads are having the time of their lives

>>96742459
>stealing the Godking's research is the best move
I don't think you get my points, which are that The Witch Mountains are the shittiest location, and that the Exotic Painter is unfairly disadvantaged next to the other templates because there's no obvious and direct source of power for them. They can't just ACCESS the mosaics like any Dancer can go play with messengers for more yellow power, or any Striver can just go farm vigor without a care. The issue with stealing the Godking's research is that his shit has been all smashed up, you have no guarantee of what you can learn or what's salvageable, so it can't be relied on. Doing your own research is going to take who knows how fucking long, which is a problem when the other two templates can start farming power NOW. Your only means to access more blue power as a Painter are:
1) Go to the Headless State and force the modified 'excellent witches' to give you their mosaics, or pick up a Muse (however that works) to become an Anointed Hero.
2) Try to get an Imperial Shard somehow, which can feed you Condensate-derived powers, but the fucking Godking is inside these so that shit is incredibly risky.
3) Go and murder the Sage, who is one of the strongest living people in the setting, to steal the Dream Banner to manipulate Condensate and hope the Hare doesn't pop out to just straight out kill you.
4) Copy the Hare and start diving through Wonderlands trying to dig up new powers, but this has the risk of driving you insane or mutating and killing you like it did the Hare, and could take infinite unfathomable amounts of time even if it doesn't.

So as you can see, Exotic Painters are just completely FUCKED in trying to gather more blue powers outside of using their template to be people's quest slave.

>>96742499
>4) Copy the Hare and start diving through Wonderlands trying to dig up new powers
I'm pretty sure that would flag you as food for Alice.

>>96742504
The fact that every single one of the paths to blue power for Exotic Painters is incredibly risky and unreliable is my point, anon.

>>96742162
>Template
A Flake of Royalty- the Hyper Wizard, the Exotic Painter
>Augments
Regalia
Legacy
>Trinkets
Torrential Abyss
Flickering Point
Violet Window
>Landing Spot
Headless State
>Arrival
Reincarnated into an existing Witch Clan
>Name
Pax Dreamwalker
>Fabricated backstory
A runaway from Witch Mountain, who came to the Kingdom of Man chasing his exiled elder brother. Even after finding it collapsed into the Headless State and his brother dead, he remains determined to get revenge and attend to other matters.
>Intentions
The plan is to steal the Dream Banner and the King's Crown to turn them into Regalia. What happens after depends on whether the Huntres only goes after the Hare and Tortoise or if she'll go for me too. If she doesn't, then it's stealing/trading tech from the Alien Compound, then jumping into the Endless Burrow after a couple of decades.

>>96742558
>The plan is to steal the Dream Banner
Yeah I'm sure it's gonna be easy to just 'steal' from the Sage, master of all native magics.

>>96742558
The pastebin implies you can't have your new form start with local powers, so that means no witch bloodline for you.

>>96742576
Just think of how much paint I'll get from it tho
>>96742582
Never said I did( I can get one from flickering point later anyway, and should be able to fake it with hyper wizard stuff)

>>96742338
But I love OR and I hate author drama
Why shouldn't anons talk about one of my favourite cyoa

>>96742494
If you hate women why would you want more then one of them?
Polygyny only makes sense if you like having wives

>>96742249
Reading the pastebin makes Exotic Painter seem even shittier than the other templates.

>>96742628
>Your first dangerous quest for which you will have no Paint to perform will grant you enough Paint to cast... two spells!
Wowy zowy so I can expect every Opportunity to only benefit about two spells? How am I a fucking wizard then?

>>96742695
>for which you will have no Paint
Skill issue, obligations are right there, and even things like doing a modest amount of exercise or not eating some foods count

>>96742710
Obligations don't grant as much paint as Opportunities, they're just steady. The problem isn't starting with no Paint anyway, it's the amount of Paint that Opportunities apparently give is so low. Remember that Paintings, your spells, are single use. For going on your first dangerous quest, you only get enough Paint for two spellcasts. That's it. The next Opportunity, you'll be able to throw maybe two fireballs, and you can expect to get enough Paint for another two fireballs. Remember that Opportunities scale with perceived impressiveness or danger, not how actually dangerous or difficult they are, so ramping up is going to have to rely on you minimizing Paint use. That is. not using spells. The minuscule and starved nature of your resources is the problem here, while the State Striver can just permanently buff himself if he's smart and a Glint Dancer is noted in the pastebin to be able to kill every major player right as soon as he gets to the world, the Exotic Painter has to figure out how to kill goblins with a shiv to hoard Paint until he has enough to paint a permanent item of some kind to get around how shitty Paint gain is.

>>96742727
Didn't read, too busy Painting my perfect Waifu.

>>96742755
How many goblins did you need to shiv without casting a single spell to save up for that?

Immortalityfag is Tok.

>>96742767
But tok isn't immortal
He is dying of aids as we speak

For real though tok being a whiney faggot about something doesn't mean anything about it
No one should have to suffer because a retard picked similar opinions to theirs and they expressed them in retarded and annoying ways

>>96742795
Immortalityfag yells that it should be in every CYOA no matter how little sense it makes to the setting and story. This is bad because it fundamentally misunderstands the purpose of CYOAs, reducing what should be a realm of boundless imagination into rigid fulfilment of particular wishes.

A grounded CYOA about being a human slayer of monsters in a world of supernatural threats, for example, is made worse by a "btw you're immortal I guess" perk.

>>96742824
Bringing up your pet issue to start an argument unprompted is bad behavior for the CYOA thread.

>>96742824
Yes that guy is a massive faggot, possibley the largest in new skin

What are the 3 cyoas we are getting on 17th again?

>>96742727
>For going on your first dangerous quest, you only get enough Paint for two spellcasts.
The pastebin says you're not supposed to be going to dangerous stuff first. The example given is for doing something minor you have no applicable skills or abilities to help with, that's what you get 2 uses from.
Literally just wait a couple days to get paint from obligations, then go fireball some goblins and you're out of early game. Painter is noted to be weaker at the start tho.

>>96742864
Tome-fu, Chubby Rain and Saint Slayer.

>>96742168
It's cyoas like this that remind me that I will be an ESL

I feel like all the options are poorly explained, but I guess I just might be autistic and unable to read between the lines.

For example: I think you can deactivate States so you can use them later, which seems to be sorta implied here, but never stated. If true it means you can just turn any negative thing that happens to you into a State and just basically ignore it, which sounds really fucking broken imo.

>>96741961 (OP)
Why haven't the Sci-fi Merc OC been put in the OP image even once?

>>96742727
Power progression from weakest to strongest is kino thoubeitfuly.

I bought SPICY EXTRA HOT FLAVOR potato chips, and they were only moderately spicy. This reminded me of why I'm here, in cyoag. I am overleveled. Nothing in the real world challenges me anymore. I need fictional worlds to test my limits. Only so can I feel alive.

>>96742162
>The fact that it's built on some Gamerfag getting his shit kicked in is pretty funny.
I think its supposed to be a dead cultivator. But it raises the question if he made those template machines himself or just stole them.

>>96743322
You live in the starting zone
Get off your ass and save the world

>>96743322
>I am overleveled. Nothing in the real world challenges me anymore.
>can't even get pussy
lmao

>>96743337
Nta but this sounds like pure projection lmao

Good lowish level fantasy adventure cyoa's? Kinda like Small Town Hero or even that recent LotR's one.

>>96743352
One of the few truly "Grimdark" cyoas out there. Just reading about this world gives you a feeling of despair and ickiness.
If you go with the Ruin ending then the whole cyoa becomes a darksoul boss/villain backstory for the Roving Elf, and since the alternative is dying horribly or killing yourself from depression, Ruin is the true ending in my eyes.

>>96743345
Did he deny it tho?

>>96743352
Adventures:
>Fishing Contest, 15, +1 Artifact
>Gaol, 5
>The Tower, 20
>Infantophagia, 20, +1 Defect

Nemesis: The Suitor, +1 Defect

Artifact: Ring of Recoil

Defects:
>Insasnity
>Dependency (alcohol)

If I'm ready the rules right I could further take the 'A Memory Revisited' adventure which would take Chaos down low enough to be able to return home safe and sound. With the bonus of curing my paranoia or alcoholism.

Other than that went in blind and this is what I ended with.

>>96743380
Pretty much summed up how I felt about it.

>>96743324
Modern cultivator protagonists are all gamerfags relying on their systems to save them from everything

>>96742162
>>96742296
Are these by the same author? I almost want to play them together.

>>96742628
>>96742695
>>96742710
>>96742727
>>96742915
The Abyss is right there. Feed it paint and you have an infinite supply, turn every opportunity into a growing stack of better Obligations, get your paint from obligations and then forget them. The Abyss is essentially mandatory to make the Painter into less of a neurotic mess to manage, but if you have it it's just slower to grow than the other two. Also you can use other systems to patch up your own, and the super core gives you a subclass that could be literally anything, it's not limited to the other templates or the systems in the world from how it's written, so you can get something that also manipulates paint.

>>96743324
I am pretty sure it's implied to be multiple gamerfags/dead cultivators. You are gathering the scraps of all the people that failed before you, now bugged into working differently and with even more potential for breaking things further.

>>96743481
>Are these by the same author?
Yes, Tin. One of the best shortform CYOA creators imo. You should check out his other CYOAs they're great.

>>96742162
>Template : A Knife's Edge - Glint Dance ( Flow & Fracture )
Painter needing to do a variety of quest to get paint is annoying and the logistics of State Driver is too much for me.
>Trinkets : Eerie Beacon & Torrential Abyss & Violet Window
Eerie Beacon for the abstract matter to make more stuffs and I can use it to summon a lots of mooks to get a new high score of Focus to dump into the Torrential Abyss to make a better and better droplet of Focus as my skill grow.
Torrential Abyss, see above and easy way to get more offensive option, make a fire droplet to gain fireball.
Violet Window, top tier info gathering tool, great to study the local powers and how to use them and make tools with them with or without abstract matter.
>Landing Spot : Headless State
Going there because it got a little of everything to use the Violet Window on, and make a wide variety of upgrades or new stuffs with abstract matter.
>Main Quest
Obtain the Condensate and make a Template out of it.

>>96743579
Nta but I just checked Tin's folder on allsync and wow, I didn't know he made all that stuff. A lot of my all times favourites are there, and now that I think about it I can see the general idea, they are all evolving power systems, some more broken than others right from the start, some more comprehensible, but all with infinite potential.

>>96742162
Even though Status Striver is branded as martialtard territory, its ironically the big brain template of the three. It requires smart strategic thinking and complex contingency planning to make it work. Painter is plainly the easiest to use, you just need some imagination and the willingness to grind for more paint, its baby-tier in its simplicity. Its just that casterfags automatically associate "traditional" magic with higher intelligence which is false equivalency.

>>96743644
You're fighting ghosts again anon

>>96743696
I am not. I'm simply pointing out a common misconception in the cyoa.

>>96743644
For painter the difficulty is not in using the power, it's in resource managment, you don't want to be caught with your paints down. I think the 3 classes are all pretty brainy to use, they just require different types of inteligence. Glint dancer requires imprivvisation, your resources are easy to generate but disappear just as fast, you need to be ready to change strategy on the fly and adapt to the next challenge, even any tools you make are not permanent without some othert external way to ground them. Painter is the opposite, you have a resource that doesn't decay but is harder to get, so you need long term planning instead, creating a plan in advance and sticking to it at all costs, preparing contingiencies fro your contingiencies, playing 5d chess while everyone else plays poker. State striver is somewhere in the middle, States are a deacaying resource but they don't go away as fast as Glints or Focus, which gives more leeway than Dancer but not as much as painter, it's the middle ground class that thrives in balance between preparation and improvviation, and storing states for later allows some form of long term planning as well. I usually go for painter because it has the best versatility of effects you can cause, you can't shoot fireballs with the other two, not as easily anyway, but the recent discussion is making me reevaluate the others, maybe one of them is more appropiate for my personality.

>>96743322
Yeah, spicy added flavor is never actually spicy except maybe to normies with pathetic weak digestion systems. I literally can't find food that's more than mildly spicy by my standards. I've reached the pinnacle of human existence, and can now only look down at the unwashed masses with contempt.

>>96743729
Fun fact, paprika, the main component of a lot of "spicy" foods is actually supposed to be sweet. I kept falling for it some time ago, buy spicy chips but they are actually paprika.

>>96742727
Eh. The Exotic Painter is essentially the 'do anything' option. It's the wizard. The State Striver / Glint Dancer are stronger overall - State Striver especially I can't really figure out how you even do kill them and the Glint Dancer like you say can technically go full power from the start - but they also don't progress as much. Eventually the Exotic painter can eventually do pretty much anything they want. So I'm fine with starting weak.

Having them start small is thematically appropriate for a wizard, the whole linear warriors/quadratic mages thing. Even their immortality works that way: both the other options can take their immortal/return from death option immediately but the Painter requires you to have some kind of reputation to work from.

And to be honest it's not actually that bad.Even without taking trinkets into account. As the painter you should be starting with the Cloak without exception, and that lets you use reuse spells or even swap spells in or out of it. All you need to do is scrape up enough paint to get some kind of good general use combat spell and you have that spell for as long as it takes to find a better general use combat spell.
For example:

>Commit to daily exercise obligation and get a bunch of strength paint.
>Do that for a month and get enough paint to give you a generic He-Man boost spell. Even if it's just 'great strength for a few minutes' it's fine.
>Store in cloak.
>Go find strong guys and challenge them to arm wrestling contests using your cloak'd He-Man spell. Or do any other feat of genuine strength as long as it doesnt' take more than minutes.
>Bow out when it's on cooldown.
>Win a bunch, get some sort of minor title for being such a buff boy.
>Get more Strength paint.
>Make a better He-Man boost spell.
>Find an actual monster to fight and overpower.
>Get more paint.
>Etc.

Done. Boring and lengthy but relatively safe way to gather power.

>>96742727
Something I don't like about the Exotic Painter is, what if you need a very esoteric type of paint for a project, but what you need to do to get it is something you rather die then go through.

>>96743788
I mean Glint Dancer has no way to do a lot of effects and State Striver has to find something to hit them with that effect like a Blue Mage so you're still ahead.
You have the ability to create whatever you want: I'm sure there are paints that'd be a pain to get but probably nothing you could *never* get if you use your imagination and some hard work.

You have titles too which are overlooked, which can tinge paints. So if you have an unusual effect you wanted you'd probably aim to get a title with an appropriate tinge so that you can apply that to easier to get paints in the future.

>>96743722
>you can't shoot fireballs with the other two, not as easily anyway,
State Striver can do better; Spontaneous Combustion. An instantaneous undodgable fireball.

>>96743788
>but what you need to do to get it is something you rather die then go through.
Create a servant and have them go through it instead; it counts so long as you're responsible

>>96743821
Arguably not the same but I get what you mean, that's why I said "not as easily". There are a lot of strange States that you could find with a bit of creativity, like taking the "on fire" state as you said.
A good exeample I am using to choose right now is What happens if you are amushed unprepared?
>Painter
You probably die, hopefully you have a Legacy somewhere out there. You should never be unprepared as a Painter.
>Striver
It's harder but you can get out of it, you can probably find at least some useful States around, or even offload your bad ones onto the ambusher.
>Dancer
You can't be ambushed unprepared, the moment you are targeted the fight is on and you are generating resources that specialize in getting out of danger.
Of course this extreme scenario is only ever going to happen at the start, but it's good to think about.
>>96743788
As the other guy said, Titles. Also because of how painter works it's highly probably you can just substitute that paint with the closest alternative. Maybe you don't have Abyssal Black, but I'm sure something like Deep Blue can make for a good substitute.

What the fuck is this gay ass wonderland shit

>>96743839
Ah yes, the good old simulacra trick.

>>96743892
It's your gate to other worlds, like the Outrealms in Fire Emblems. If you don't like the setting that's your ticket out.

Ohmygod who the hell CARES

>>96744023
I do.

>>96744028
No you DONT and stop posting SHIT

I like seiba :3

>>96742162
Anyone ever pick Glint Dancer on this thing? It sounds pretty awesome: like half the time you're in Metal Gear Solid stealth, then when you're discovered you switch into spectacle fighter Devil May Cry mode and kill everyone before going back to stealth. But I think if people want personal power they pick the State Striver, and if they want 'do anything magic' they go for the Exotic Painter.

The true build arguments are trinkets anyway i guess, even if you do absolutely need the pastebin to understand what the fuck they do.

I like the idea of taking the Eerie Beacon and making my own trinkets, maybe with the Sphere so I can turn it into a pocket dimension home.

>>96742519
Why are you trying to get blue powers as a wizard anyway? You already have them, those should be the only ones you aren't chomping at the bit for. Colors that match a template are supposed to provide powers similar to that template; if you have that template anyway, it makes more sense to go for literally anything else. Condensate is more of an issue for warriors and rogues than it is for wizards.

>>96743722
The painter has no resource management. You and most others seem to forget that the Torrential Abyss exists.

>>96744299
They're discussing the templates on their own without trinkets

>>96742030
I spawn and drop kick Bell Cranel into an ogre’s ass crack. And then immediately kill my self so I don’t have to deal with the setting.

>>96744299
You can also buy novel paints from flickering point without ever putting yourself at risk.

>>96744340
Templates don't exist in a vacuum.

>>96744349
>drop kick Bell Cranel into an ogre’s ass crack
Phryne…

>>96744299
Torrential Abyss only gives a single type of paint at a time, there's still some juggling involved for varieties. Especially early on when it's fairly slow. I agree it is a must-have for the Exotic Painter. I'd argue though that the best trinket for pure survival (in the same timeline) is Invisible Line. It can give minor regeneration, durability, stealth, or almost anything, and gets stronger the more it's used. Eventually you'll have some Jojo esque bullshit ability that's completely separate from any other resources.

>>96744143
>Anyone ever pick Glint Dancer on this thing?
In this very thread. No State Striver yet surprisingly, maybe later or next time it is post.
>you do absolutely need the pastebin to understand what the fuck they do.
Skill issue.

Highly underrated OC from a couple of days ago
https://imgchest.com/p/bp45mdwdqy5

>>96744422
It's rated completely correctly: garbage.

>>96744416
Each type of paint is it's own energy, torrential can create more than droplet, even more than one for the same energy.

I do agree that silver line can be a really good synergy with exotic painter; just having a single ability not tied to paint gives you massively more flexibility and ability to accept opportunities.

>>96744422
>Setting
Type: Ubiquitous Sci-fi

Galaxy Population: Healthy Competition
>Space Merc Company
Name: Stellar Defense Collective or S.D.C.

Origins: Nomads

Company Size: Legion

Leader Archetype: The Admiral

Uniform: Personalization Allowed

Temperament: Face

Contracts: High Cost

Fleet Doctrine: Brigade

Demographics: No Biodiversity

Management Style: Linked Confederacy

Morality: Strict Code of Ethics

Employers: Exclusive Partnership

Combat Doctrine: Regular Combat Protocols

Code of Conduct: Total Loyalty

The Compound: Corporal Cavalcade

Compound Additions: Signal Post, Aero-Sim Hall, Gladiator Agora

Compound Amenities: In-House News, Green Room

Training Regime: Asymmetric Combat, Atmospheric Combat, Fleet Fundamentals

Edicts: Licensed Looting, Loyalty Program, Drone Pilots, Environmental Safeproofing, Weaponized Freighters, Scrapyard Ships, Breach Tactics

Dictums: Scrappy Hostility, Oathbound Subservience
>Advertised Services
Primary: Naval Operation

Secondary: Security Detachment

Auxiliary: Deep Cover, Transport
>Connections
Retired Legend, Honorable Freemason, Unflappable Quartermaster, Suited Tie, Notable Diplomat, Renowned Soldier x3
>Notable Contracts
Bubble Pop, Ravenous Flock
>Stats
Skirmish: 7
Warfare: 5
Dogfighting: 4
Fleet: 12
Intelligence: 1
Espionage: 0
Internals: 8
Support: 7
Morale: 2
Trust: 5


The Stellar Defense Collective is a human mercenary organization of honorable space warrior nomads. We are contracted by governments and corporations to defend their assets from pirates and hostile aliens out on the frontiers of civilized space.

>>96744422
I don't read beta, wip or whatever cyoas that aren't ready yet.

>>96742915
It says:
>Preferably not something too dangerous, but also enough to get you a Painting or two for your next Opportunity--just don't expect to get much more than a tiny droplet of Paint out of a trivial task like helping someone carry some heavy objects.
Which says it HAS to be dangerous, just not 'too' dangerous. That means your plan is to wait a few days to build up ONE fireball, hope it kills all the goblins, then get TWO fireballs. Okay sure, now what are you going to do? Kill another pack of goblins for two more? Even if you only used one spell to kill them each time that's you gaining one spell out of each victory. That ramp up is so exceedingly fucking slow, and if you ever fuck up or end up in a difficult situation where you have to spend extra Paint you are literally back at square fucking one.
>>96743504
Yes, the Abyss trinket helps a lot, but I'm just talking about Exotic Painter without trinkets, in raw comparison to the other templates, because they can also massively benefit from trinkets. The point is that they're just better than Exotic Painter and don't have to deal with this absolutely psychotic resource mechanic.
>>96743761
The pastebin describes a heavy Paint-investment Cloak that lets you use a spell frequently (instead of an infrequent last resort) is only on the level of Prestidigitation. Assuming it's referring to the D&D spell that's absolute dogshit and borderline useless. The scale, once again, is completely off for what the CYOA implies your power is supposed to be like.

First OC, I just didn't like giving up build-defining powers for companions or vice versa so I made this

>>96744284
I'd argue that getting Witch powers as a Wizard is actually incredibly beneficial, because unlike your Wizard powers, their power is basically an entire school of magic, and they can spam their mosaics as much as they can handle without accidentally destabilizing and blowing up. They're not reliant on any resource, nor of having to get specific variants of that resource for specific spells, their spells aren't single use etc.

>>96744431
You don't like space sci-fi, okay, but that doesn't make it a garbage CYOA.
>>96744458
It seemed finished to me, despite being labeled as beta. Imagine waiting for an update that might never come, like pic related.

>>96744510
Meta-cyoas are bad practice. Only bad cyoas you disrespect truly deserve them, but if you're planning to disrespect the rules anyway, why unnecessarily complicate that?

>>96744580
Option 3(if the cyoa isn't shit/meant to be a trap)>Option 4>everything else>Option 1(unless the cyoa deserves it)

>>96744519
Fair enough, though you could pick up a mosaic just from flickering point if you chill in the witch mountains for a while. Flickering point being something that wizards already want for it providing paint in a safe manner; even better with torrential abyss.

Wizards don't necessarily require specific paints for specific effects; the pastebin suggests permanency could be achieved through thicker coats of paint OR a paint associated with immortality OR an appropriate tinge. Rather than needing specificity, think in terms of variety.

>>96744580
I like the cyoas I just don't like it when companions and powers share points or I'm 1 point short of getting a funny companion

>>96744605
That point about the point touches on another huge issue with Exotic Painter, which is that your trinket choices are basically locked in. Yeah you almost require Abyss, because it keeps you from needing to constantly gamble on Opportunities or enslaving yourself to burdensome Obligations to generate Paint, and you really want Point because it's also a safe way to get Paint and the only reasonable, possible without any setup or weird science, way to get Mosaics to do caster shit without expending Paint. So now you only have one single trinket available to choose, and doesn't that strangle build variety quite severely?

>>96744028
Would a Noble Phantasm that bring Item Construction from Rank B to Ex within Territory Creation Ex be Rank C or Below ?

>>96744651
>and doesn't that strangle build variety quite severely?
Not really, we've had 3 painter builds and the only thing they all shared was that they all took violet window

>>96744547
>Imagine waiting for an update that might never come
Dude, that's why I don't read the wips. No expectations to betray that way. And besides, it's definitely a bad sign if even the author doesn't care enough to finish his cyoa.

>>96744674
We could argue they were dumb if they didn't all at least take Abyss.

>>96744508
>Exotic Painter without trinkets
give the korean mmorpg experience.

>>96744651
They should pick the mandatory options.

>>96744699
He >>96742162 took erupting core, so his subclass will probably carry him through the early game

>>96744508
Anon the cloak lets you useb any spell repeatedly. It just then goes into cooldown. The CYOA states the cooldown just depends on how impressive the spell used is (which anyone would expect). A very impressive spell has a long cool down while "lesser acts may well be limitless". No concrete numbers are given, it's up to your judgement, but it sounds like you could paint a fireball and if it's something like a Oblivion-esque flare spell you can probably spam that thing with little to no cooldown, but a Megumin-style nuke is gonna be a day or so.

The pastebin is just commenting on the CYOA. In the cloak's case its pointing out that instead of just having your favourite spell forever, the cloak allows another option where you could make spells that would otherwise be wasteful specifically because you're not using them up.
Normally you'd want to use as little paint as possible for the effect you want. With the cloak you could make a spell that piles together every paint you can get your hands on to make a one utility spell that covers as many options as possible. Then depending on how strong you made it you either have an emergency back-up Wish, or something you can just use to constantly warp reality in minor ways.

It's not literally prestidigitation (the actual wording is 'akin (like) a superior prestidigitation' anyway). Most people love that spell, but the author is obviously using that because that is the famous example of the one spell that does multiple things.

I imagine you'd have to build up to the omni-spell. But a younger Exotic Painter might normally have in their repertoire a spell that teleports, a spell that creates a shield, and a spell that makes them invisible. With the cloak you might instead create one spell that has all those options even if it's more expensive than all three combined. Because then you always have that in your cloak and can use that first if you need to before burning any of your 'finite' spells.

>>96744730
The subclass is entirely within the realm of headcanon so it's not really useful to discuss what it is or could be in this kind of conversation desu.

>>96744651
I would say flickering point can be pretty easily swapped out, and the only reason torrential abyss is locked in is because of the massive benefit it grants you; rather than being restricted to it, it's so potent that it doesn't make sense not to take it.

Wizards need
1. some initial source of paint. This could be a simple obligation or an unimpressive opportunity.
2. Some means to escalate that supply. Cloak can do this, as can torrential abyss, but also just taking on more impressive quests will give increasing amounts of paint. If 'nothing' grants you 2 fireballs, 2 fireballs might grant you 3 more fireballs each, and an increasing scale the grander and more impressive your feats.

You could achieve either of the above with silver line, even. It would grant you a free use ability(less reliance on paint => easier to escalate paint) which would in turn increase your ability to deal with greater opportunities at a base level. I would also expect erupting sphere to increase our ability to escalate.

>>96744739
>If 'nothing' grants you 2 fireballs, 2 fireballs might grant you 3 more fireballs each, and an increasing scale the grander and more impressive your feats.
>>96744508

>>96744743
Yes, thay anon's interpretation is wrong. You get more paint the more the more impressive your opportunity.

>>96742162
Can you plug torrential droplets into the Entrancing Sphere to power the phantasms? Can you generate paint/glints from them?

>>96744748
The post isn't contesting that, it's pointing out that you're going to scale slowly because you need to expend paint to gain paint, so it's not a matter of having two free fireballs that turn into three fireballs. It's saving up for one fireball to get two fireballs back, and htne if you EVER fuck up you have to start completely over because your resources are completely expended and don't regenerate on their own.

>>96744765
Just do something more impressive with your fireball than you can with no applicable skills/abilities/or items
If killing one goblin gets you 2 fireballs, and you can kill multiple goblins with 1 fireball, then it scales faster

>>96744735
The pastebin locks the effect to the level of Prestidigitation and I don't really see any reason to assume the author is lying to me and actually I can just assume I'll be able to make a stronger spammable spell. The author says otherwise.

>>96744765
How are you ever going to fuck up so bad you use up ALL your paint? Just because you need to build up some paint for your first painting somehow(not that hard) doesn't mean that your growth after that will be slow. There is no reason you can't get an exponential rate of return on your paint expenditure.

>>96744754
>Can you plug torrential droplets into the Entrancing Sphere to power the phantasms?
Most likely. It's an easy Yes from me.
>Can you generate paint/glints from them?
Not sure about paints (maybe give yoursefl the task of only leaving after killing x) and I don't see why you couldn't trigger Glints unless the phantasm counts as being incapable of observing.

>>96744780
>to the level of Prestidigitation
Definition of'superior'
superior
1. adjective
If one thing or person is superior to another, the first is better than the second.
Synonyms: better, higher, greater, grander
He asserts the superiority of free enterprise over other economic systems. [+ over/to]
2. adjective
If you describe something as superior, you mean that it is good, and better than other things of the same kind.

>>96744780
It locks to a "Superior" prestidigitation, and that for something completely spammable. And let's not forget how expansive prestidigitation already is.

>>96744777
Your fireball didn't kill all the goblins and now you have to cast both of your fireballs. Uh oh, now you're out of paint.
>>96744788
This is mostly about the start. The real way for a painter to progress (sans trinkets) is to try and make a shit ton of Regalia to cast spells for you so you're not constantly using paint.
>Exponential rate of return
You do realize you can die right, which sucks even if you have the immortality unlocked from the start? You shouldn't be taking unnecessary risks, so jumping out of the linear scaling of expending one spell to gain two spells back would be difficult/risky.

>>96744780
Anon, it literally does not say that and that makes no sense. It says:

>The Cloak can benefit a lot from a sufficiently generalized Painting, using as many Paints as possible in the most encompassing scene you can conceive of, all to create an all-purpose Painting that would otherwise be a prohibitive waste--and then turning it into a powerful trump card or a weak but spammable convenience akin to a superior Prestidigitation.

I.e. Just a tip, there's no reason you can't create a painting that does multiple things when cast. That'd normally be wasteful, but your cloak means it isn't. You can create a painting that has options to do everything, and either use it as a powerful last-resort (if you don't mind that there will be a recharge) or like a better Prestidigitation if you want something that you can use as much as you like.

The pastebin are notes expanding on the CYOA. The CYOA explains how the cloak works. You need to read them both together. You seem to be saying you think any spell put into the cloak gets reduced down to this one specific D&D spell you don't like? When the point of the Cloak is that it holds one spell - any spell - for you to use as much as you like.

>>96744807
>Your fireball didn't kill all the goblins
As long as it killed any goblins, I got enough paint for 2 more fireballs for each goblin killed

>>96741991
Can someone please explain this to me?

>>96744807
What's your point anon? Glint dancer has to put himself at risk to gain focus too. If you refuse to do something at the level you're currently at to increase at an appropriate rate, that's your problem.

>>96744838
Every attribute gives 1 ability.

>>96744803
>>96744805
>Oh no bro you don't get it it's on the level of a first level spell instead of a zero level one!
The point is that prestidigitation is dogshit "I can barely support the Fighter in killing the skeleton" levels of power. Even if it's a little bit better you're still at the absolute bottom and it doesn't scale. So that spammable spell is very swiftly going to become worthless if you ever want to move up in the scale of how you operate.
>>96744812
>here's no reason you can't create a painting that does multiple things when cast
If it's better than Prestidigitation then you can't spam it, so it doesn't fulfill the role of a spammable no-cost spell that we're discussing.
>The CYOA explains...
How the Cloak functions, the pastebin explains more and dictates the scale it operates at. Yes, you can put a better than Prestidigitation-level spell in your damn Cloak. No, it won't be your bread and butter spell anymore, because a spell that'd work like that can ONLY be at the level of Prestidigitation.

>>96744839
Glint dancer has it worse desu, since opportunities don't have to be dangerous. Any kind of quest or event you involve yourself in counts.

anons think that mages should be OP as fuck, because they start weak and have to ramp up
anons also think that they shouldn't have to start "weak", because building strength requires effort

methinks anon just wants to be OP without doing any work

>>96744815
>As long as it killed any goblins, I got enough paint for 2 more fireballs for each goblin killed
No it wouldn't, you get your Paint specifically for fulfilling Opportunities. If the Opportunity is "kill the pack of goblins" you need to kill ALL the goblins.
>>96744839
The point is that the resource gain is unbearably slow and you're discouraged from ever actually using your powers.

>>96744850
>Oh no I cannot conceive of (power that does anything at low scale) ever being useful.
That's your problem, exotic painter is for imagination-chads only.

>If it's better than Prestidigitation then you can't spam it, so it doesn't fulfill the role of a spammable no-cost spell that we're discussing
The pastebin already calls it superior, so it very specifically IS better than prestidigitation.

>>96744863
Exactly, though glint dancer synergizes super well with torrential abyss too.

>>96744869
Yes.

>>96744889
>The pastebin already calls it superior, so it very specifically IS better than prestidigitation.
>>96744850
>Oh no bro you don't get it it's on the level of a first level spell instead of a zero level one!

>>96744850
>If it's better than Prestidigitation then you can't spam it, so it doesn't fulfill the role of a spammable no-cost spell that we're discussing.

It can do as much as any spell can do, so anything. It's just going to be scaled down if you set it to be. I mean, you wanted a spell that can defeat everything and heal you and make you immortal and wipe your bum and kill your dad and *also* recharges in one second? Yeah, you will have to choose between 'big spell big recharge time' and 'small spell small recharge time'. That's just how design works.

>>96744869
I think mages should be able to cast spells without being excessively punished for spellcasting.

>>96744879
>The point is that the resource gain is unbearably slow
Nothing in the CYOA suggests this, only that it's a bit harder at the very start.

>>96744892
Yes anon, very good of you to notice how you contradicted yourself there.

>>96742162
Defend Yourself: A Knife's Edge
Progression: Flow/Fracture
Trinkets: Brass Gate
Silver Gap
Violet Window
Landing: Headless State

If only this cyoa was expanded upon.

>>96744895
but I should have a spammable 1 shot god killer nuke from the character creation screen
otherwise I might have to put in some work

You’re meant to combine powers like the god king did. He was the true wizard. You aren’t a true wizard if you only focus on a single aspect or skein of the world.

It’s the same in Chain of Isekai. Wizardry is le false if it’s just a single system alone.

>>96744895
The problem with the design is that your theme isn't "level 1 wizard" it's "the ultimate super wizard" or whatever, I sure as shit don't feel like a super wizard if I can only, ever, in the infinite depths of time, do Prestidigitation level spells for free using this Cloak. It never scales up, which is why the Cloak is going to swiftly become less and less useful over time.
>>96744914
>from the character creation screen
Oh hold on anon, you seem to think the Cloak scales. It doesn't. It will ALWAYS only be at the level it starts at and never get better. You will never, ever get any spammable spell better than Prestidigitation. Not in a century, a thousand years, a million. That's how the power works.

>>96744921
>He was the true wizard
He was a true jobber

>>96744907
>Nothing in the CYOA suggests this,
The pastebin states it explicitly:
>Preferably not something too dangerous, but also enough to get you a Painting or two for your next Opportunity--just don't expect to get much more than a tiny droplet of Paint out of a trivial task like helping someone carry some heavy objects.
A difficult/dangerous Opportunity only grants you enough resources for two CASTS. Remember, your Paintings are single use. You only get two spellcasts out of a situation that's objectively dangerous.

>>96744933
No you are interpreting that wrong, it's telling you to avoid danger, not that you specifically need it.

>>96744939
No I'm reading it right, it says your first Opportunity is dangerous, but not absurdly so. Here's the full context for your lazy self:
>Opportunities don't scale with you, for the most part, and grant you their reward after you fulfill them. To give an example, slaying a powerful beast most consider an unassailable terror will still remain impressive no matter how easy it was for you--though that will still have a small impact. However conversely if it's rather unimpressive, you probably won't get much either--washing someone's dishes isn't exactly a grand quest. You can expect your first Opportunity to be the hardest, presuming you don't have any appropriate skills or abilities, but past that point you'll likely never be as vulnerable again. Preferably not something too dangerous, but also enough to get you a Painting or two for your next Opportunity--just don't expect to get much more than a tiny droplet of Paint out of a trivial task like helping someone carry some heavy objects.

>>96744651
I think that since Exotic Painter focus so much on prep, Eerie Beacon is another must have, to craft better upgrade to the template faster by mixing the Paints with the abstract matter, like make a Tome that work like the Cloak.
Since the Exotic Painter start the weakest it might be a little risky.

>>96744869
Correct. It’s like science, which is like metamagic, if you think about it. People who connect worlds. Scientist types aren’t guaranteed to become threats. Pic related. Someone got angry about it. Even though it’s perfectly fair. You work for your power. That’s what a wizard is. Magic won’t necessarily be about fucking someone over either.

>methinks anon just wants to be OP without doing any work
Most anons are like this. It’s why they hate ritual style magics that involve prep and ingredient farming.

>>96744845
But they talk about types, so finance is mind, giving me +1? But only once?

>>96744956
>>96744925
>Oh hold on anon, you seem to think the Cloak scales. It doesn't. It will ALWAYS only be at the level it starts at and never get better. You will never, ever get any spammable spell better than Prestidigitation. Not in a century, a thousand years, a million. That's how the power works.

>>96744947
>it says your first Opportunity is dangerous
No, it says it'll be the hardest if you have no applicable skills or abilities, because you won't have any paint to use on it
We've all read the pastebin, you're just misinterpreting it

>>96744900
Limitations make fun. There's a reason CYOA typically have points, it's not just 'pick as many options as you like I guess, I dunno, go away'. Some kind of limit is what makes interesting choices.

Vancian magic is also fun. Vancian magic and a big get out of jail free card if you want to use repeatably spells is being nice.

>>96744914
I'm gonna say something I would never say to any human being. I think we need to get this anon on some Tok CYOAs. Nice uncomplicated powerfantasy, as big as you want and shallow as a puddle. I always thought they were designed for the ADHD caffeine addled gooner mindset personally but perhaps there is a market after all.

>>96744947
Anon, you explicitely *can* get paint out of trivial tasks. The definition of trivial is simle. Easy. If you dont want to face danger, spend a few days doing easy shit and get a painting that way, then fight a giant rat like every beginning adventurer.
Or don't and just take the Flickering Point trinket, which lets you just buy paint for free.

>>96744947
Nothing in there says your opportunity has to be dangerous, only that it needs to be impressive. No shit getting an impressive feat with no danger is difficult, but keep in mind that that is for you WITH EFFECTIVELY NO POWERS. A single fireball spell could easily net you more than two fireballs on its own.

>>96744921
This. True wizardry, or true metamagic, is just holistic understanding, or worldliness. True wizardry is the world.

The true wizard sees magic (any kind of magic) as lone parts of existence. Reality. Possibly even just constructions.

>>96744933
>>96744947
This very obviously shows that it is the difficulty of the task and how impressive it is that matter most.

>>96744966
>>96744947
>-just don't expect to get much more than a tiny droplet of Paint out of a trivial task like helping someone carry some heavy objects.
>However conversely if it's rather unimpressive, you probably won't get much either
>Preferably not something too dangerous, but also enough
Aka it's not too dangerous, but it's dangerous enough. Seems pretty clear there has to be danger for it to generate anything worthwhile to me, and that if you do something withoutt risk you'll get a droplet.

>>96744983
>>96744982

>>96744973
Limitations CAN be fun. It depends on how Limited and in what context. We're talking about in the context of this CYOA, in comparison to the other two powers, while this power is sold as some super cosmic ultimate wizard archetype. We're also, specifically, shit talking the Cloak, because someone brought it up to counter the wide example that resource gain is slow and sucks for the Painter.

Science, wizardry, etc, has the lowest lows as well as the highest highs. Even cringe superpowers have to come from somewhere.

;^)

>>96744956
It's probably not even the "effort" thats required in some fictional scenario. It's *their* effort that is required to stretch the barest creative muscles to dream up a scenario or write down a story of some nobody turning into a Hero and then God in power over a storyarc.

They desire to cheat themselves, and others, with their lack of imagination. Imagine being so lazy you can't/won't even use your own imagination.

>>96744987
>>96744982
This isn't a counterargument. Yes, difficulty and impressiveness matter, nobody is contesting that. The point here is just that you first task has to be hard 'enough' to justify you getting enough to make a painting, or else you'll only get a droplet.

>You don't like how this specific part of this specific power in this specific CYOA works?
>Oh you must actually want free omnipotence!
What's with this kind of maximalist thinking?

>>96744983
Impressive does not automatically mean 'danger'. Like I said, you are interpreting that wrong.

>>96744991
Resource gain is NOT slow, except perhaps for your very first painting, depending on your other choices.

>>96745000
So you just do that, and you'll never be as vulnerable again. One painting can easily get you paint for more than two more.

>>96745000
Then it's a good thing you can take regalia or cloak, make some easy to keep oaths, or help some people out with trivial tasks for a couple of days, and you'll have enough paint to do something impressive compared to regular people without powers.

>>96745024
>Resource gain is NOT slow,
Your first dangerous quest only gets you two spellcasts. Logically the next one, even if it's slightly harder, will grant around the same, maybe slightly more, and you would have used up paint to achieve victory. That is slow, that's implying multiple days are spent gaining one painting worth of paint.

>>96745018
>Black and white thinking, also known as all-or-nothing thinking or dichotomous thinking, is a common cognitive pattern in autistic individuals.

>It’s characterized by an inclination to perceive situations, ideas, or beliefs in absolute terms, without recognizing middle ground or shades of gray. This can be likened to seeing the world in black and white, with no other colors present.

Just spam easy tasks to get some droplets god damn.
Imagine crying this hard because you don't even want to do the bare minimum level of work to get the build off the ground. Is helping a few grandmas cross the street really that fucking hard?

>>96745031
>Then it's a good thing you can take regalia or cloak
Cloak doesn't help much because it doesn't scale. Regalia can, but nobody was ever criticizing Regalia. In fact, I made the point that Regalia is your best bet to get reliable casting without considering trinkets.
>Make some easy to keep oaths
Yes anon, you can gain Paint by spending a week doing household chores. The point wasn't that you CAN'T, but that it's slow.
>Help some people out with trivial tasks
And be rewarded with a single droplet of Paint for each one. It would take many, many, many of these to save up for even a single Painting.

>>96744999
The irony is that they aren’t true wizards in mentality, anon. They’re closer to lame ass “just give me the blasty hands NOW!” types who want to step into the machine that grants instant superpowers once it’s been built by the mad scientist. They will also complain that the mad scientist put a couple of biological switches on them, so they don’t rebel against him. “Noo- that’s so unfair- science is too OP fuck u-“ even though it’s what gave them their powers.

Basically that cyoa in a nut shell. The old man who who hands out the free powers anlso offers the player the chance to do what he does—to make and give away powers. It’s just the most difficult path.

>>96745018
>WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH THE CLOAK CAN'T 1 SHOT EVERYTHING WITH NO COOLDOWN OR RESOURCE USAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHY DOESN'T IT NEGATE THE MAIN MECHANIC OF THE TEMPLATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>96745036
>Logically the next one, even if it's slightly harder, will grant around the same
Why would whatever you can do with a fireball, or superstrength, or a healing spell be as impressive as something you can achieve with no abilities or appropriate skills?

>>96745040
So the people defending the Exotic Painter are all turboautists?

The person who is given instant and free superpowers right off the bat should not be as powerful in potential as the one who has to work for his power over time.

>>96745041
Since it is at least partially based on what people perceive, you might even be able to cheat it. If everyone sees you defeat the Monster that was attacking the town (actually an illusion you paid for by doing card tricks for a week) didn't you 'save the town?' and don't you reserve the paint rewards for it?
Though you might just get a big load of paint for lying to people. But that sounds good too!

Seriously though, there's two different trinkets that give you free paint. It's such a nonissue.

I really hate how you fuck tards think mages are just people who shoot shit from their hands. That’s fantasy rot.

>>96745072
Mages are whatever the setting says they are autist

>>96745036
>Logically the next one, even if it's slightly harder, will grant around the same,
That is absolutely NOT logical, having even a single spell increases your capabilities massively. That massively increases the impressiveness of what you can do, which in turn increases the amount of paint you can earn. That is not slow.

>>96745041
Keep in mind that all of his whining is about the template WITH NO other options. He completely dismisses the cloak, so his arguments don't count that either.

>>96745049
It does so help, even if you stick specifically to the spammable tier that is a tremendous amount of things you can do without expending any paint. Any of those can be considered impressive to gain even more paint.

>>96745075
Yeah and that’s the problem

>>96745061
Because a fireball is ultimately just one little attack, so whatever you're fighting can't be too much stronger than something you could've killed with a rock.
>>96745078
>increases your capabilities massively
I think you're massively overblowing what ONE spellcast, not one spell, one single cast of one single spell, can accomplish for a starting Exotic Painter. You're not casting the Mona Lisa at your next goblin, you're painting a fireball or a little stickman with big muscles, the amount, type, and quality of your paint is going to be beginner.

>>96745084

>>96745062
Aren't we all?

>>96745078
>if you stick specifically to the spammable tier that is a tremendous amount of things you can do without expending any paint.
*a tremendous amount of things you can do restricted to the level of the Prestidigitation spell.

>>96745041
Do you have any idea how many droplets would go into even a single painting? The argument isn't about not being able to gain resources, it's that resource gain is slow. That's literally it, if you think this is about something else then you are entirely mistaken.

>>96745087
Anon, you cannot tell me that going from 0 to 1 is not an insane increase in the impressiveness of what you can do. If you can kill a goblin without a spell, casting 'strength' or 'fireball' or 'confusion' or 'haste' could easily let you slay 3 or more.

Blows my mind how threatened anons are by those that have to work for what they have.

If a witch or sorcerer has access to your hair, and uses it to mind control your ass, you have no one but yourself to blame. It doesn’t mean you get to flex away magic either. Sometimes magic is magic purely because it works too well. Scarily well.

>>96745094
Not at all restricted, specifically better than Prestidigitation.

>>96745049
>Cloak doesn't help much because it doesn't scale
Knowing that you can make more items from just having the Template is the most important part of the pasterbin(iirc, I didn't reread it).
I'm sure you can upgrade the Cloak and the Template, though you might need some shard of mosaics from a Witch infused with excellence to make really good stuff.

>>96745040
>>96745079
>>96745084
>>96745090
Stinky

>>96745107
>is not an insane increase in the impressiveness
It's not. It's a little increase in impressiveness that grants you a little more. The entire problem here is that you're assuming a quadratic increase in power and paint gain with each Opportunity, while I'm assuming a linear one. To me, it sounds like you imagine you're gaining a permanent spell and not one single cast.
>You could slay 3
Yes, and now you gain two paintings after expending one, meaning you had a linear gain of one painting. Next time, you will have another linear gain. Maybe one more net painting, maybe two, but the point isn't that you aren't growing, but that it's slow, and the other templates aren't as slow.

The mage option is simply untenable. It might even take you an entire week of doing chores to complete your first spell.

>>96744928
The Godking only jobbed after his battle hound waifu jumped him during a woman moment. Even the best of anons would fall short in such a situation. I wouldn't call him a jobber, since he planned for this and will resurrect eventually. The Godking's more of a part-time gig worker than a full-time jobber.

>>96745112
Specifically at a set level of better than Prestidigitation that doesn't grow.

>>96745120
>I'm sure you can upgrade the Cloak and the Template, though you might need some shard of mosaics from a Witch infused with excellence to make really good stuff.
The pastebin made flickering point one of the best trinkets desu, you can just sit around jacking off for 1 year and get something comparable to the dream banner or the king's crown

>>96745120
Yes, Regalia are good, that wasn't being debated.

>>96742864
We're not getting any cyoas lmfao

>>96745127
>Yes, and now you gain two paintings after expending one
You get six after expending one

>>96742864
>saint slayer is actually happening
Don't give me hope anon.

>>96745127
>It's not. It's a little increase in impressiveness that grants you a little more.
It is, having powers vs not having powers is a massive increase in impressiveness that grants you a LOT more.

>Yes, and now you gain two paintings after expending one, meaning you had a linear gain of one painting
No you are gaining 3 for killing 3 goblins.

>meaning you had a linear gain of one painting
Your example is an exponential increase of doubling your paintings.

>but that it's slow, and the other templates aren't as slow.
Glint dancer only really grows as your own skill does, and state strivers have to find states to build up, and both of those decay over time, unlike wizardry.

>>96745138
It doesn't have to grow for you to get good paint increase out of it.

>>96745138
Start Wizard Journey: Use Cloak for spamming minor reality warping or Testicle Seeking Missile when in battle.
End Wizard Journey: Have conjured a Ring Of Greatest Prestidigitation to spam with instead. And a Ring of Horde of Testicle Seeking Diamond Pitbulls for battle. And a Rod of Cast Alzheimers for Battle. And a Cockring of Laser Piss for Battle. And a....

Simple old Cloak is not basically obsolete. All I have in it is that quaint little 'Transmute Every Human Being On The Continent To Anti-matter' spell I made as a joke, in case I want to cast that twice.

I always find it funny when some fictional setting calls [insert one of three power systems here] “magic” as though the other two aren’t just that too.

>>96745154
>You get six after expending one
See what I mean? Our default assumptions are completely different. You're assuming quadratic gain, I'm assuming linear gain from a slightly harder task.
>>96745167
>that grants you a LOT more
Same problem as the above anon. Also it's not your paint that makes you impressive, it's the Opportunities you accomplish, don't make that mistake. You are limited by what is available for you to do in that moment at that time with the paint that you have, not by what you could THEORETICALLY do.
>No you are gaining 3
0+1 from your first goblin, you have 1 painting. 3 for killing three goblins - 1 for the one you spent = effective gain of 2 spells.

>>96745188
Rejoice autist, Otherwise never does this, and all three power systems share a single source(they're all different flavors of wonderland bullshit)
Now shut up about it

>>96745188
If it's not an open-ended reality-bending "do whatever you want", it's just a superpower.

>>96745202
So you agree they’re all magic. Got it. I don’t care if it’s from some Wunderbar.

>>96745040

>Origin
The Bloodline
>Path
Truth, Power, The Next Step
>Magecraft
Magic Crest, Hexcraft 5 (S), Animamancy 1, Kabbalah 1
>The Limits of the Human Frame
Discipline 5, Tactics 5
>The Mundane
Heavy Arms, Prana-Treated Tools
>Contacts
Castle, Eye Spy, Journalists
>Bases
Mansion (Cells, Workshop, Greenhouse)
>Companions
Miya Le, Rin Edelfelt
>Supreme Threats
Heinrich Wulff, Reinhardt Von Austerwiz, Lucius Ars Nehrtmal, The Collector
>Quests
The Holy Grail War

Use Discipline and Tactics with the Castle contact using Heavy Arms to deal with the Threats, also make an Homunculi in they likeness from dropped dna and hex them through the homunculus with sympathy, maybe do one in my likeness too and store it in some healing artefact/room to boost myself.

>>96745197
>Also it's not your paint that makes you impressive, it's the Opportunities you accomplish
You cannot tell me that the opportunities you can accomplish with one spellcast are anything like the opportunities you can accomplish with 0.

>>96745204
That’s retarded anon.

>>96744961
Anon, the cloak does scale. Everything scales, the question isn't "does it scale?", it's "how fast does it scale?". The pastebin says that all the templates can grow and improve, it's just harder without some things, Astral Matter is the easiest to use to improve but there are other methods.

>>96745197
>0+1 from your first goblin
Why'd you nerf it down to 1 painting per goblin?

>>96745204
What is magic if not superpowers? The word magic comes from an even older word that meant “to have power”.

>>96745219
Depends on the spell.
>>96745223
Because the guy I was responding to said killing three goblins got you three paintings, so he was assuming one painting gain per goblin. This is valid because the ruling we're discussing says your first Opportunity grants one OR two Paintings, so it could be either. Context.

>>96745222
That's not scaling, that's just outright reforging it. It's basically the same as creating a new Regalia.

>>96745094
Anon, have you stopped to consider that maybe it's so limited specifically because it does so much shit? If you make a spell that does just one thing very well you will be able to spamm that too, it's just the sheer variety of prestidigitation that locks the power that low. Also the templates all can grow, it's the very first thing the pastebin says.

>>96745232
Good thing YOU YOURSELF creates the spell, huh? Exotic painter revels in creativity; the same paint that creates waves of force could be used to create a movement spell that transports you by riding that same wave of force. Or to concentrate that force into a rock to form a cannon, etc.

>>96745222
>>96745242
Think it'd be plausible to reverse-engineer and craft another cloaks without Violet Window?

>>96745242
Ngl I couldn't justify taking Cloak after finding out I could recreate it with Regalia

>>96745256
>Turning say, the Dream Banner into a Regalia might allow you to create a sort of Stained Glass with additional Painting time, an Exotic Painter's equivalent to a Mosaic--a regenerating painting. Or maybe use it to endlessly refine lower-tier Paints into higher-tier ones using extra Paints as a resource. Recreating the Cloak using a powerful artifact like that as a base wouldn't be too hard.
Take Regalia + Flickering Point and just sit around jacking off for a year, and you can make your own Cloak

We need more writefags.

Wizards always WIN

>>96745242
That would be a headcanon, which means you can just assume whatever the fuck you want and it can't be effectively discussed. We can only discuss what the CYOA or the pastebin specifically mentions.
>>96745248
Anon, you're not just limited by creativity, but the Paint you have. Killing a goblin isn't going to get you a wide variety of good paint.

>>96745238
>All of the starting augments for each template (ie, the Progression/Weapon/Death options) can eventually be replicated or improved on with just the resource the template has access to, with the weapons being the easier of them. As well as entirely different ones. Though of course having them right away is a substantial head start. These can likewise be modified and improved.
That shounds like upgrading and scaling to me, not reforging. And would you look at that the Cloak is the weapon, the easiest to improve.

Alright this spergout is getting stale. Someone distract him with a t*k cyoa.

STUPID FUCKING BUNNY
Why did you have to DIE and bleed magic everywhere

>>96745259
Regalia is strong but Cloak is more convenient early-on. Both are useful. Myself, I lean towards Cloak for the boost it gives to Titles.

>>96745267
True, Flickering Point may the strongest trinket for the Exotic Painter. I wonder what kinds of artifacts a Glint Dancer could get out of it. The downside for Flickering Point is that it doesn't scale much on its own but the sheer utility is enormous enough it's a moot point.

>>96745278
Anon I just described 3 different spells you could create from the same paint; the principle is the same no matter what paint you get. If your spell/paint doesn't match the opportunity, change the spell or pick another opportunity.

>>96745284
>>96745292
There has got to be a degenerate sex hedonist mosaic somewhere...

>>96745256
It's not only plausible, it's expected. The 3 augments are normal progression, and the weapon, in this case the cloak, is the easiest to make. It's even faster if you have something that helps with the process, like astral matter from the beacon or the shop, or the window to peek into the backround code of the world.

>>96745304
Probably not an entire mosaic dedicated to it, but I would expect most mosaics to have at least a few effects in that vein, since most linkages probably had at least a couple degenerates using the condensate.

Exotic Painter is the best overall and in overall potential. Yup. Cyoa solved. Move along now.

>>96745318
Look at that, black and white thinking. Funny how that works. We aren't saying the exotic painter is some end all be all build, just that it's not strictly inferior to the other choices.

>>96745303
You don't know you're getting that paint when you kill a goblin. You could just be getting the paint of a more narrow concept, like shitting yourself in the bushes.

>>96745292
>>96745304
>not turning Otherwise into a dating VN
>not being the poor little wizard boy The Rabbit, The Turtle, and The Huntress has to fight over trying to prove their love for
Plebs. each and every one of you.

>>96745278
>We can only discuss what the CYOA or the pastebin specifically mentions.
That's retarded when the whole cyoa is based around the idea that you can grow outside of what it mentions. You are supposed to assume things, and in this case there is a precedent. The cooldown is based on all the qualities of a spell, not just raw power, so of course a spell with more variety will have higher cooldown.

>>96745328
Now I can create a spell of: make enemies shit themselves in the bushes, a shitting myself in the bushes powered rocket boost, 'instant fertilizer' etc. Come on anon, be creative.

>>96745327
You’d have to go out of your way to argue that it’s not the best one. Kek.

>>96745332
>not turning Otherwise into a dating VN
I'm going Huntress route. I simply didn't mention that in my build because it didn't seem important. Just like I didn't mention my plans to turn the Daemonica into a servant Regalia.

>>96745270
You'd just nitpick them to oblivion. Not worth it.

>>96745332
My bussy is reserved for the Godking.

>>96745371
Stop being a fagget anon.

>>96745267
>Or maybe use it to endlessly refine lower-tier Paints into higher-tier ones using extra Paints as a resource.
The Regalia + Flickering Point + Torrential Abyss combo just keeps getting better

>>96745362
Nta, me too. I know why I am doing it, I am obsessed with anything wonderland, and really like the Alice design in most games/mangas/whatever. Any particular reason for you or it's just because she's the most powerful character in the setting?

>>96745371
Or ignore the OC entirely, don't forget that option.

>>96745387
>Any particular reason for you
I read the words Bunnygirl Alice, and my fate was sealed

Not gonna lie. Otherwise comes across like a simulated world that somehow had its programming all fucked up, and other simulated worlds are leaking in.

>>96745387
NTA, but she's the only one that triggers my "worthy opponent" need.

>>96745395
Is it because we start the cyoa looting the dead System from a jobber xianxia protagonist?

>>96745386
Nta but I think the Core is a must have trinket, it just makes everything better. It could restore some of the Point function, giving you some minor quests for even more points on top of the passive gain, it could make the Abyss condense multiple droplets of the same kind to make a bigger one, the possibilities are endless. It also makes the class doubly powerful AND gives you a subclass that could be anything, it's too good to pass up.

>>96745410
How do you know it’s a xianxia protagonist

>>96745387
I mean, she's one of only three females mentioned in the lore, and of the other two, the Executioner is specifically another man's squeeze, a slave to the Tortoise, and a proven traitor, and the Sage is just another bunnygirl but made out of rabbit blood, she's not as shit as the Executioner but in a bunnygirl contest the one with more defined personality (which is Alice in this case) is probably going to win at first blush.

>>96745413
He doesn't.

I’ll hang out and chill with the aliens
Beep boop beep

>>96745413
I remember reading something about them being a cultivator, but that was a while ago, so I don't remember where. Might have misremembered, but I'm pretty sure they were a cultivator.

>>96745395
That's what happens after waves of outsiders with outside-of-context powers. Messengers, Witches, Hare, Tortoise, Godking, Daemonica - they all made things a little worse, a little more chaotic.

>>96745394
Understandable, I missed the part where it says she's a bunnygirl, but honestly 90% of the time her design includes a bow that looks like bunny ears anyway. I would post my favourite design for her, that would probably fit this cyoa pretty well, but I forgot where I saved it, I think it was from grimlight or something like that.
>>96745402
She is essentially just another player, but with more experience and access to a different set of powers. You can get to her level, it's just a question of how long it takes.

>>96745431
Don't forget about (You)
How are (You) planning to make things worse?

>>96745449
I'm not planning to make things worse but I will absolutely shit it up as much as I have to to escape this shithole planet.

>>96745414
>the Sage
They're a girl? I thought they were genderless

>>96745461
They have bunny ears.

>>96745461
She's a witch, so I'm going to assume female unless told or shown otherwise.

>>96745461
They're not gendered in the text, but as the collective egregore of all the witches we can assume she's female too.

>>96745449
I will paint the world in one giant masterpiece, then make it explode. It will be marvelous, a great spectacle. All while watching from the safety of wonderland of course.
>>96745460
You don't have to do much for that, just spawn near wonderland and get the fuck out. It's very probable that the closest world you can get to from there is going to be pretty similar in power at least, so maybe prepare for a longer journey.

>>96745472
>>96745480
All witches are female now?

>>96745489
Do you know what a witch is?

>>96745449
When I leave there will be interdimensional rifts everywhere. It will be CYOA against CYOA.

>>96745486
Wonderlands are risky moon-logic shitholes so diving into them willy-nilly isn't smart.

>>96745507
Nah, I'd win.

>>96745414
I forgot there were so few options actually named, I was too focused on the powers and how to break them to notice. The sage seems pretty cute at least.
>>96745461
All witches are female, that's stated, and the sage is essentially the template for them. They are all clones of her that get more diluted the farther in generations you go, a bit like VTM.
>>96745467
This anon has priorities.
>>96745489
Yes, if I remember correctly it's not the "they only give birth to females" kind, the males just don't inherit the bloodline.

>>96745507
The passages are like that, but the destinations are not, you can find something normal in there relatively close.

>>96742162
I just noticed nobody is talking about the Brass gate. Are we all in aggreement that it's the worst trinket?

>>96745449
>play cyoa
>die because of trap options
>go to otherwise world
>unify everyone
>invade my old world with the support of every major actors
Revenge fantasy.

>>96745493
A witch wasn’t always associated with a woman.
>>96745522
Okay well that’s just fucking retarded. Not playing now.

>>96745544
It's the best or worst, depending on (You).

I would never take it.

>>96745544
That depends on whether you trust (You), anon.

>>96745544
You think getting two other people with the two powersets to team up with you is bad? I just wouldn't consider picking it because they're variants of me, and I hate myself. The worst trinket is the Entrancing Sphere.

Witches may be female but they end up getting their shit abused by chad wizard males like the god king

>>96745544
I don't want to lose my virginity that badly

>>96745544
I systematically pick it, because I'm my best ally. Imagine the banter. Imagine the ridiculous level of trust. Imagine the synergy.

>>96745545
Most of the stories of that kind stop at the last step, where you understand the power of frienship and a place to belong and give up on revenge because you don't need it anymore.

>>96745553
>What do you mean there's a race of magical bunnygirls!? That makes me mad!
Why? You're not choosing their race or their powerset, your own wizard powers are completely different. The fact that only the bunnygirls are witches doesn't effect you and you being a magical male might make you more attractive.

>>96742162
Glint Dancer is the most practical (and arguably the best) template because it's the easiest to use and make you strong enough to fight by yourself right from the start, so you can focus on getting the local powers instead of focusing on learning how to use your template in a meaningful way.

>>96745576
We're not talking about a sane individual, though. Anon WILL throw away any chance of closure and happiness to sate his spite.

>>96742162
So of the artifacts
>King's Crown is sitting mostly unguarded(by anyone important) the Godking's vault
>Imperial Stone might not be worth recollecting since the Godking is hiding in its shards
>The Sage has the Dream Banner
>The Daemonica is busy being a Vigor terminator
Hmm, collecting all of them probably wouldn't be worth it
>>96745414
You forgot about the Archspirit

Just take bronze gate? You basically get all 3 templates.

>>96745580
You can also just steal the power anyway by just being near them long enough with the Point shop.

>>96745544
Brass gate isn't 'bad', necessarily, it's just the only one that doesn't make (You) more powerful, somehow. Teaming up with an entire party of yourself could be super cool, all the archetypes would benefit from it. Wizard grants easy state access to warrior, warrior and wizard help distract enemies for rogue, warrior and especially rogue assist wizard in his first couple opportunities.

>>96745581
Glint dancer is the one most dependent on your personal skill.

>>96745544
It's one of the most powerful. Even without any magic, you have two other people you can almost telepathically communicate with due to being so close to them both physically and mentally. Imagine a party of adventurers that (for the most part) don't even need to talk to one another to understand what needs to happen in a combat encounter, The Fighter face-tanks the biggest baddest monster, The Wizard immediately starts crowd control and battlefield manipulation, The Thief immediately nabbing targets of interest. A well oiled machine that is only as good as the person behind the door.

>>96745594
They will try to kill me at the earliest time possible, and my Regalia isn't good enough to win against "nah I'll die later" and "SPEED BLITZ".

>>96745592
>You forgot about the Archspirit
Nothing implies it's female.

>>96745544
Its power depends on what kind of person you are.

>>96745544
>>96745594
I thought I was the only anon that didn't really trust himself not to betray himself for power

>>96745608
>>96745623
why the fuck would you do that to yourself

>>96745616
>Constantly referred to as 'Her'
>Nothing implies it's female

>>96745623
>>96745608
If you can't even trust yourself, what's the point?

>>96745562
You see, that's the problem. I don't hate myself (shocking I know, I shouldn't be here) but I know for a fact I would not be able to get along with myself. The best that could happen is that we all go our separate ways, and that negates all the advantages. The Shpere is the worst I guess, it can become really useful at some point but but in all likelyhood you can make something better that does the same thing by that point.

>>96745628
I probably wouldn't, I like to think of myself as a good person, I'm just paranoid
Also, what he >>96745635 said

>>96745623
It's not that extreme in my case. We would all like eachother, we are the same person, but we wouldn't like eachother enough to stick around. We would be like the mysterious strangers in the other's stories, showing up if shit really hits the fan but not even comunicating otherwise. Betrayal is not an option, but the benefits are negated so it's not really worth it.

>>96745594
>You basically get all 3 templates.
No, two clones of me get the 2 remaining templates. They're rivals in my quest to be the strongest.

I'm surprised none of the glint dancers took the crackling disk

>>96745687
People haven't really acknowledged they can just use it on Alice and steal half of her powers right off the bat. Of course anything that's not an item won't be taken and she'll be gunning for you the next minute, but it's high risk, high reward.

>>96745687
Despite being the "Thief" class the Dancer doesn't really benefit anything from stealing shit, other than the normal benefits of stealing shit, nor does it make the disk any better at stealing shit than either of the other two options. The Core is the only thing that directly upgrades the Disk, but anyone can take that.

>>96745696
It takes a special kind of powergaming autism to come up with that tactic. Especially since the discussion was centered around another template for most of the thread.

>>96745706
You say that, but I would never choose to do it because I'm the cautious, slow ramp up type, despite me being the one to lay it out.

>>96745696
What? How? Are half of her powers all inside objects?
As an aside, none of the powers in this cyoa are objects despite being refered to as such. Trinkets are more like mods to the system, and the weapons are extensions of your template too, even the cloak can't be stolen, it's a part of you.

>>96745705
Glint Dancers with it can frame one go and rob Alice, steal the Dream Banner from the Sage, steal the King's Crown, steal the Hare's Condensate of Wonder, then dip into the burrows before any consequences can catch up to them. Alice is the only one who might be able to punish this.

>double oc release
>they talk about metashit for 95% of the thread
cyoag has fallen

The most underrated aspect of the bronze gate is that the other yous get trinkets. You can reasonably deduce which ones you would pick if you were to select another template. This gives you a total pool of 6 trinkets, not including bronze gate.

>>96745662
they are (you)
just do a fusion dance

>>96745162
>saint slayer is actually happening
Wait what? when did skellychad return? did he actually say that or are you fags just falseflagging again?

>>96745623
I wouldn't pick bronze gate. How can I fuck myself if we're all bottoms?

>>96745731
I'm pretty sure the orginal post was a shitpost so no, it's not coming out. You can tell by the fact almost everyone ignored the obvious bait with 3 neverevers.

>>96745747
I can't wait to surprise you, anon.

>>96745722
>Are half of her powers all inside objects?
Anon it mentions in her entry how a lot of her powers are tied to shit like weapons or a stopwatch.

>>96745726
>This gives you a total pool of 6 trinkets, not including bronze gate.
That doesn't matter if they're not staying with you, you can't trust them or you're the kind that would kill a variant on sight for a crumb of power.

>>96745726
>The most underrated aspect of the bronze gate is that the other yous get trinkets.
I think that would be the fact you can bring (You)'s from other cyoas in, but I think we're all just ignoring that aspect of it.

>>96745768
metashit ruin the cyoa

>>96745780
Hence why we're ignoring it

>>96745751
I would love to be surprised. Even half of any of those cyoas would make me very happy.

>>96745789
>love
dont use that faggy word here

>>96745768
I think we are all treating the cyoa as non meta right now.

Is it possible to use a combination Exotic Painter, Beacon, Flickering Point and Abyss to essential find a way to go back into the void dimension and get all the other trinkets? I'm of the mind that you probably get paint from just crossing between worlds, and that kind of paint would appropriate to making portals and such. Even if you don't get paint that way, you can just travel the entire planet and then go back to the starting point, that would probably give you paint based on "going back" somewhere, that you can use abstract matter and Abyss to make into something you can use to go back to the void world.

>>96745794
Don't you love your waifu?
You're not a haremshitter right, anon?

>>96745794
Oh no, anon cant handle emotions.

>>96745723
This is exactly the kind of bullshit glint dancer specializes in, though you would definitely want to make sure you got yourself the best trinkets possible to survive the consequences of your actions.

>>96745815
>the consequences of your actions
She steal it all back, then drag you into bed for passionate hate sex?

>>96745810
Harems have a lot more love than boring mono relationships.

>>96745789
I wish I could show you my WIP but this is a challenge. I won't let other anons down with an early release. The week will be over and we'll be seeing all three before you know it.

>>96745810
>able to love one person
>able to love countless people
One of them is lesser than the other.

>>96745821
The consequences being that you've effectively perma-aggroed everyone who cared about those relics. Glint dancer has to rely on improvisation more than the other two templates; it has a comparatively reduced ability to prepare for these things.

>>96745842
Nah, I'd win. Glint Dancer is the escape artist template, they won't catch me.

>>96745853
Like I said, this kinda bullshit is it's specialty, but it is specifically noted as the most fragile. I'm rooting for you, though I personally choose the more principled build up of power over time.

>>96745332
>Rizzking

>Anon can't cope with having a harem of women that are vastly more powerful than him yet worship him.
Why?
I don't get how some anons get so mad at this idea.

>>96745853
The guy you looted the template from also had it in addition to the other 2 templates simultaneously, yet guess what happened to him? I'd temper that confidence if I was you.

>>96745902
I want to be the strongest with personal power.

>>96745804
I'm not sure I'd want to risk purposefully going back to some place which seems to be the graveyard of supernatural creatures. Entirely headcanon, but I sort of see it as 'Oh, I was isekai'd to Cyberpunk 2077. Oh nice a terrifying dark alley full of corpses. Oh cool a bunch of expensive (used) weapons and (bloody) augments are discarded on the ground here. Neat. Oh darn, I can only carry three of them. I will definitely come back here later when I filled with expensive augments to pick the rest of these up."

Anyway with Beacon alone you can just make your own trinkets anyway. Abyss just speeds up collecting exotic matter and Flickering Point doesn't mention being able to give trinkets as an option, though its not impossible I suppose. Violet Window would probably be a better choice to pair with the beacon because you can probably inspect your own trinkets for clues on how to build better ones.

>>96745905
No he didn't
>Each template was an archetypal fragment of a profession system, abstracted by the realm within the corpse of REDACTED, and modestly influenced (as well as some of the trinkets) by the various entities that passed through.

>>96745905
He was an NPC fated to die, I'm a Player fated to win.

>>96745902
Having a harem of powerful obsessed women is dangerous, they just going to fuck you to near death and then revive you so another girl can take her turn

>>96745926
I feel like you can recreate the effects of violet window without much effort with that kind of build. You need need to accumulate enough abstract matter and have some paint based on sight or senses. It could take effort to make it into something permanent, but you can use regalia as a base for that.

>>96745937
>"He was an NPC fated to die, I'm a Player fated to win."
>-Jobber#4645

>>96745917
What would you rather choose?

>Be the mos powerful super in a world of street level supers with you being a city level treat.

>Be a street level super with a harem of planet level supers.

>>96745937
You're a Houndlet I presume?

>>96745902
I would be ok with that as long as I am not completely powerless. I want at least aglessness, and some party tricks.

>>96745929
I don't know what that quote is trying to say.

>>96745952
I already played Nexus, so I guess I'll pick option B again

>>96745952
First one. Why would I want to live surrounded by people stronger than me so I remember my inferiority?

>>96745726
They have different trinket selections from you, so you can't predict what they'll have.

>>96745952
The former, planet busting abilities are boring and I don't sit at home like a cuck while my harem goes around doing shit. B is basically a Superman comic from Lois Lane's perspective.

>>96745964
REDACTED had them as part of a normal profession system(ever seen a System/Gamer protagonist? He was one), then they were warped by the realm and influenced by the entities that passed through. He had a rogue class, not a Glint Dancer class, a Warrior class instead of State Striver, and a Wizard class instead of Exotic Painter. The templates are the warped versions of his classes. This doesn't mean they're stronger(in fact, they're described as being stripped down), but they are different from what he had access to.

>>96745980
>B is basically a Superman comic from Lois Lane's perspective.
No, it is spiderman fucking morrigan

>>96745979
You can't predict what you would choose? Really?

>>96745929
>>96745992
Honestly this just makes me annoyed I'm stuck with the equivalent of cosmic trash, I'd want to exchange it for an actually complete and working system.

>>96746003
>world itself lovingly craft a new system just for you
>noooooooooo i want boring ass gamer system instead!

>>96745952
the later

>>96745992
Well my point still stands, the original system owner had a better version of all templates and more experience than us yet still died, the "Nah I'd win" Glint Jobber is courting death.

>>96746002
Considering they have completely different trinket choices to choose from? Read the pastebin, they have entirely different options, you can't predict shit.

>>96745941
I would assume you have control over them

>>96745958
agreed

>>96745952
Waifumancers are always the strongest ones.

>>96745941
I dont see a problem with that.
>>96745952
The first one. Not because I would be the strongest, because it states a limit to the powers. The second one does not guarantee that my harem is the max level of power possible and I dont want to deal with galaxy threats.

>>96746035
>The second one does not guarantee that my harem is the max level of power possible and I dont want to deal with galaxy threats.
Nexus Gateway...

>>96746014
>world itself lovingly craft a new system just for you
No? The world itself (the guy's corpse) got mangled and all his shit broken, then it rotted and malfunctioned inside him for who knows how long, some other dead souls bumped into them and damaged them even further, and out comes the powers I can choose from.

>>96746003
The broken system pieces are probably easier to jailbreak and build on top of than a complete version, to be fair.

>>96746061
The complete version was already complete and better, though, and used extremely exotic extradimensional materials. Even if you can add a bunch of your own trinkets later, it'll be a long time before you can make anything nearly as good as the unbroken bits that got mangled into trickets, and there's nothing you can do to add more templates to yourself. This is a problem when shit like Exotic Painter are so trash garbage next to an actual unrestrained Wizard.

How does this sound?
>Make pacts with powerful spirits for powers in exchange for some sort of payment.
>Can make a deal with a lesser spirits to keep them as companions they are rougly more cost effective but their powers are saparate from you.
Sounds balanced right?

>REDACTED comes back to life with all his trinkets in peak conditions
Are you beating him?

>>96746044
>What's that? a new unique power system with infinite potential ceiling? nooooo I want my stale old gaymer set!
Truly spitting on your fortune in the face. You deserve nothing ingrate.

>>96746003
The whole is greater than the sum of it's parts. The CYOA is a bunch of reality warping nonsense that was exposed to first the Focus/States & Paint (when their respective owners came through here) and then the broken remains of a normal gamer system and it all fusion danced into glorious madness.
That's why you get better versions of the equivalent focus, states or paint powers than the inhabitants of this world get. Because you're combining the origins of those exotic forces with the weirdness of this place and the gamer powers to just be better. Thats also why there's stuff like the Flickering Point: it's meant to just be a shop that lets you buy rewards with points you get for tasks. What you receive instead is a shop where you can buy everything without paying anything because it just endlessly gives you points. That's why the Violet Window is pseudo omniscience instead of a HUD.

Whatever the normal version of all this is, it's probably going to be weaker and less capable.

>>96746081
Sounds good, as long as I can get enough pacts not to feel weak(compared to everything else) while still getting companions

>>96746096
>a new unique power system with infinite potential ceiling?
His system had infinite potential ceiling, was better, had more templates, had system features instead of broken trinkets, and Wizard > Painter.

>>96746099
>That's why you get better versions of the equivalent focus, states or paint powers than the inhabitants of this world get.
Anon, the powers in the Wanderworld have nothing to do with the powers you got from the Gamer's corpse, they're not related. You have worse version of his powers that've been tainted.

Wait. Are the three templates approximations of the three native power sources, or are they actually sourced to them?

>>96746081
Depends on the deals. Most cyoas suck at making good deals.

>>96746099
Yeah, while some of the trinkets are nerfed compared to the original system, others got jailbroken and buffed

>>96746105
>His system had infinite potential ceiling
No it didn't. Also if his version of the system was so good why did he die so miserably?

>>96746121
Pretty sure they're approximations made from Redacted's broken profession system

>>96746081
The later sounds better and has better prose; the former repeats itself and sounds like mushmouth crap.

>>96746121
They're unrelated. The Wanderworld was just the easiest world for you to break into from the gamer's corpse, he's not from there or connected.

>>96746131
>No it didn't.
Yes it did, literally everything you get is damaged and lessened versions of his stuff.
>Why did he die?
He was probably fighting a cosmic threat well beyond you.

>>96746090
Obviously not.
>Shop systtem with Flickering Point
>Save scumming with Silver Gap
>HUD with Violet Window
>Inventory with Crackling Disk
>Exponential growth with Erupting Core+Torrential Abyss
>Rape dimension with the Entrancing Sphere
>Reinforcments from the Brass Gate

>>96746105
>infinite power
Worthless. This obsession with planet moving power; Yet no real interaction The Story needs to be shunned and destroyed.

>>96746099
I'd argue Exotic Painter is way worse than unrestrained Condensate, because it generates itself while Exotic Painter is reliant on being someone's task slave to get crumbs.

>>96746074
>This is a problem when shit like Exotic Painter are so trash garbage next to an actual unrestrained Wizard.
I thought it was the opposite? You’re a bigger wizard than their witches in theory.

>>96746122
What about these?
>Once a week you fall into deep a slumber where you experience your own death and can't wake up until morning.
>You can't lie ever again.
>You simple owe the spirit a favor that they will name when convinient for them.

>>96746164
All stories are about accumulating more power/money/women/whatever. This is the truest form of escapism.

>>96746166
>Than their witches
We're talking about the dead gamer's Wizard class that the Painter is said to be a stripped down, mutated, and weakened version of, not the Wanderworld's witches.

>>96746166
Redacted isn't from Wanderworld, but yes Exotic Painter is better than Witch stuff so long as you fix the pain problem
Anon's talking about a generic overpowered wizard class

>>96745952
Does the second option come with free villainesses who somehow kidnap me repeatedly and record NTR tapes to send to my harem before I am rescued?

>>96746178
What a sad and miserable life you must live. How strange that you're /here/.

>>96746176
What are the powers like? I'm not taking any of these for something that still leaves me lower than city level.

>>96746025
>the original system owner had a better version of all templates
Did they ? Or did they die at low level before even unlocking a second class.

>>96746081
That sounds legit

>>96746199
He had the potential at least, everything you're getting is his scraps.

>>96746191
>villainesses who somehow kidnap me repeatedly and record NTR tapes to send to my harem before I am rescued
CYOA for this feel?

>>96746176
First is shit. The others are fine, but I would need to know what you get for proper judgement. The first one is not worth it ever.

>>96746192
>t. never got past street level

>>96746165
I also think that Exotic Painter is mediocre for a Wizard Template and that you can make a better/more convenient one from the Condensate if you want to be a wizard.

>>96746199
No lies guy allows you to see through all deception be it mundane lies, illusions or mind control.
>Death guy gives you healing powers and fast regeneration.
>Favor guy gives you the opposite of lies guy you have powers to create illusions and plant suggestions in peoples minds with by talking with them.

>>96746074
Exotic painter is extremely potent and free, unlike a basic wizard.

>>96746105
Painter>wizard

>>96746155
Damaged and altered, not lessened.

>>96746180
They aren't weakened.

>>96746166
The first witches could do anything but it was easy to accidentaly die, the younger one can only do what their ancestors used to do a lot but are not at risk of killing themself using their powers.
You can do anything but need to jump through hoops first to get the paints.

>>96746230
>Favor guy gives you the opposite of lies guy you have powers to create illusions and plant suggestions in peoples minds with by talking with them.
I was already getting a bad feeling there, glad to know it was warranted. Yeah, I'm only taking the no lies guy's deal.

>>96746227
Sadly you're only able to make trinkets, not templates, using stuff offered to you in the CYOA.
>>96746234
>Exotic painter is extremely potent and free, unlike a basic wizard.
A basic wizard generates his own mana to cast spells freeform. A painter needs to slave away at obligations and opportunities to collect crumbs of paint, then needs to pre-paint paintings in his brain that are one use to use in a fight. A wizard simply spams his spells as he wills, regenerates his mana by taking a nap, then goes back to it. The painter must have pre-painting all his paintings or risk trying to paint in battle and being too distracted to defend himself, when he runs out of paint he has to go find someone to prostitute himself to or some kind of quest to do before he can get any back, and then he looks at his paint supplies afterwards and sees he doesn't have the right colors for the spells he wants.

Am I a jobber or not compared to Redacted? Just give me a straight answer cyoag

>>96746211
Scraps of the whole unlocked system, not scraps of what they manage to unlock.
Two of the template start stronger then the gamer would have as a lvl1 Rogue or Warrior.

>>96746257
you're mentally ill for even comparing yourself to an unknown.

>>96746249
The big advantage, I figure, is that a wizard is bound to what spells he knows and which disciplines he's learned. A painter doesn't care, he just paints. If a wizard wants to animate a corpse but isn't a necromancer, he's got to consult the tomes or crack open his grimoire. If a painter wants to reanimate a corpse but only has green paint, he can just thread it full of vines for a similar result. The painter doesn't have the efficiency of a wizard, but he does have far vaster versatility.

>>96746257
You are alive, [REDACTED] is dead. Therefore, you aren't yet a jobber.

>>96746119
For all you know the game corpse’s stuff is better now that it got all spliced with a bunch of random shit.

>>96746242
Witches also generate their power source on their own, while the Painter doesn't. They don't need to go collect 15 bear asses or be the local lord's sex slave to cast spells.

>>96746249
> A painter needs to slave away at obligations and opportunities
I.e generates it by just doing what he would anyway
>crumbs of paint
Gallons and gallons, you mean

>A wizard simply spams his spells
Until his restrictive limit hits him.

>as he wills
A wizard has much less freedom in how to define his spells

>regenerates his mana by taking a nap
Whereas the mere feats achieved with paint regenerate more paint than was spent.

>when he runs out of paint
Never happens, he produces more paint than he uses.

>sees he doesn't have the right colors for the spells he wants.
That's a funny way to spell 'constructs spells fitting his needs with creativity from the conceptual bullshit he has received'

>>96746249
>Sadly you're only able to make trinkets, not templates, using stuff offered to you in the CYOA.
Last sentence of Eerie Beacon say otherwise and I think the Condensate is a more then good enough foundation to make a Wizard Template.

>>96746273
Considering we're told the gamer had ascended to phenomenonal cosmic power, and then looking at what his trinkets were made of? No I think he was pretty strong.

>>96746180
>>96746182
Generic game wizards use gay spell lists. They don’t use free-foraall magic like you see in WoD. So, chances are the game’s Wizard is/was a lot weaker than the one that got spliced with Paint for actual free-for-all imaginative magic.

>>96746165
It's not worse, it's less powerful, and that's an outright buff when you're dealing with uncontrollable omnipotence. The unrestrained condensate is just that, unrestrained. All the power in the world is of no use to anyone if you can't control it. The Hare is the one who had the condensate, and they lived on this world for maybe a day before dying - according to the CYOA - under the strain of their own constantly growing power. The early witches were all reality warpers who died young because they had more power than anyone could handle.

I'm reminded of the Ethshar books, where wizardry is powered by the chaos of the universe. So it's the infinite screaming energy of everything, carefully channeled through spells in the same way the ocean is carefully channelled through a hole in the hull of a submarine. Upside is the wizard can never run out of power, any spell can be repeated endlessly back to back. Downside, if you fuck up your next door neighbours will not the body because both it and they have been reduced to a fine nuclear powder.
Creating new spells is so freaking dangerous that people who make it their profession have life expectancies measured in weeks. One guy tried to make a spell for sharpening swords and ended up accidentally creating a enourmous pillar of flame which has been burning for eight hundred years and shows no sign of stopping.

The exotic painter is able to do what the early witches and the Hare could not, use the full breadth of the condensate by outsourcing the 'control' part to something external.

>>96746105
But that’s not what’s implied, since cliche game wizards are limited to spell lists, so suck because of that. The Paint Wizard is an actual improvisational wizard.

>>96746266
But first you must have green paint strong enough to make a good zombie. There's the rub.
>>96746284
>generates it by just doing what he would anyway
Why would I want to be some king's court slave or do annoying quests for townsfolk anyway?
>Until his restrictive limit
Considering your template is based on him, you have no idea what his limit was, it's hard to argue he had one.
>A wizard has much less freedom
Depends on the setting.
>The mere feats
You need to complete specific Obligations and Opportunities. You can't just paint a giant Dickbutt in your backyard to get more Paint, you need to have the system ping you with an Opportunity and do that specifically.
>He produces more paint than he uses
That's up to you, not the system.
>With creativity
Creativity can't solve a complete lack of high quality paint. You forget, paint has quality levels too, if you only have low level shit then you'll never be able to do high level shit with it.
>>96746287
The Condensate would be a good material to work with. You just, you know, need to have the materials to MAKE the Condensate into a template, then kill the Hare. And kill/seduce Alice after she sees you do that and wants you next.

>>96746288
It’s all a broken machine, anon. It’s not a gamer. The game may even have made it a lousy weak ass wizard. You don’t know.

>>96746289
>>96746297
Have you ever played TES? Beyond Skyrim I mean.

>>96746292
The Painter doesn't use or interact with the Condensate. They are not connected or related.

>>96746266
You are fucking retarded for making comparisons that aren’t even put into context in the cyoa.

Like, we don’t know what the Wizard or Rogue or Fighter templates were capable of. The Rogue and the Fighter templates probably didn’t even have access to magic before the game’s systems ran into something alien and exotic.

And as another said, the ability to do free form magic is superior to being limited to a list of spells, like typical game wizards.

>>96746323
The spell making system in Oblivion isn’t as Freeform as you’d think. It’s all quite generic. Clear cut spells.

>>96746297
The pastebin also officially states that you an directly chuck paint at people. Normally it's a bad idea, limited resource and all, but with the Abyss it's a pretty good strategy at the start, you could cast fireball, or you could just dump a bucket of "Acid Purple" or other similar levels of conceptual bullshit colors.

>>96746339
Play Morrowind then.

>>96746292
>Actually I'm happy to be a weakling who gets bullied and killed by Alice!

In the World of Darkness, the real wizards, or true mages, can shape magic however they wish, while lesser magicians, or hedge sorcerers, are stuck repeating rote spells. Mages are the ones who make the new spells, or write the new books, and are far fewer because very few even manage to Awaken.

>>96746348
Skill issue, brainlet.

>>96746348
>killed
I'll lived forever as her page/sex toy.

>>96746354
Yeah but do those guys need to sell their bussy to the king or work on grandma's farm for a month to generate the resource to cast their spells like a Painter does?

>>96746344
Not much better. It’s technically impossible to portray free for all magic Mage/WoD style in game format. It can’t be done. It’s very much a “May I?” situation that no one game could account for, in all the conceivable areas.

>>96746361
Yes…? Mages in owod are quite materialistic. Even archmages in nwod have to go on journeys to hunt down massive reagents (like the sound a dying god makes) for their cosmic rituals.

>>96746348
Should've picked State Striver, jobber-kun
Better luck next time

>>96746230
Lies is worth it.
Death is not, never worth it.
Favour is worth it as long as the favour is commesurate to what he gives you, but he's clearly not trustworthy.

>>96746317
>Why would I want to be some king's court slave or do annoying quests for townsfolk anyway?
You don't have to obey any questgiver and you can give yourself your own obligations and drop them just as easily. You only have to do impressive things, which only gets easier and easier over time.

>Considering your template is based on him
No it's not. It's based on a superior version of what the witches are doing, interpreted through the lens of the old profession system.

>you need to have the system ping you with an Opportunity and do that specifically.
No you don't, an opportunity can be anything; a town race, a monster harassing you. The system doesn't determine what is or isn't an opportunity.

>That's up to you, not the system.
Exactly, whereas a wizard is a slave to the system.

>Creativity can't solve a complete lack of high quality paint.
It absolutely can. I gave you a crowd control spell, a mobility spell AND a utility spell out of the concept of shifting yourself in the bushes. If you can't figure out something fitting your needs from the paint you have, that's YOUR problem.

The machine ran into something even more bizarre. Why do you retards think it didn’t become more advanced or bizarre as a result of this?

>>96746329
He’s saying you can do what the Condensate does, in theory.

>>96746383
It was already dead by that time.

>>96746364
It can be argued that combining an infinite list of all effects known to exist in the fashion that you desire is not different from combining paints.

>>96746383
Because Painter sucks ass.

>>96746392
Painter is just as good as the other options, and superior to a traditional wizard.

>>96746389
I’m saying Mage the Ascension is impossible to make into a game. You can only make Hedge Magicians into a game since they aren’t radically Freeform.

This goes for video games period. Magic that’s Freeform only exists in narrative + pen + paper fronts. This is why the Paint wizard is likely superior to what it was originally.

>>96746379
>you can give yourself your own obligations and drop them just as easily
Yes, but they are things I have to do. The Obligation has to be significant for significant gain. The fact that I chose to be the king's slave and can quit any time doesn't change the fact that it's annoying and I wouldn't be 'doing that anyway' like you claimed if I didn't have to.
>You only have to do impressive things
That are defined by your system as Opportunities, remember that.
>It's based on a superior version of what the witches are doing
The dead gamer was not from or connected to Wanderworld in anyway. His powers are unrelated to the things in Wanderworld. Also your power is inferior to the witches since they have infinite resource generation.
>An Opportunity can be anything
That your power system tells you is an Opportunity. You don't get to decide Opportunities, only Obligations.
>Whereas a wizard is a slave to the systtem
I don't think 'generates his own mana' is slavery, anon.
>It absolutely can...
You ignored that part you're quoting is about paint quality as a factor.

>>96746386
It can't though, the Condensate generates itself.

>>96746406
I'm talking about how Morrowind works. In Morrowind you learn a spell effect (eg. fortify strength) then you can combine and modify it as you will. The gamer's system could work like that.

>>96746405
Liar.

>>96746414
Nta but you decide Opportunities too, that's how it works.

Why are you people so fucking pathetic? You are actually threatened by someone who has to work for what they got? Why?

Reminds me of that discussion over why it’s totally unfair for a witch to be able to curse you from afar because you’re dirty and unhygienic and leave hairs lying around.

>>96746414
>That are defined by your system as Opportunities, remember that.
And opportunities are defined as "any kind of event or quest you choose to involve yourself in."

>>96746419
Okay, but that’s still radically less free form than what Paint offers. The spell parameters in Morrowind are too specific to be truly Freeform. Legos.

>>96746428
That's not what the CYOA says, it says the Opportunities are found, you don't choose them, only whether to follow up on them or not.

>>96746430
And who generates the event or quest? Not you.

>>96746437
It says you choose them, thobeit.

>>96746348
As opposed to being dead, or being dead? Yes anon, I would rather be a 'weakling'. Especially when your definition of weakling still makes me a reality warping demigod.
The Hare is the one you're comparing to and they are 1) dead and 2) were probably fleeing Alice when they died, so it's not that exactly a gotcha.

>>96746436
Presumably in the 'real world' you'd have access to orders of magnitude more spell effects to learn. It's absolutely a worthy to be that constricted (which is, relatively speaking, barely) and be able to generate infinite mana, than to be slightly more unrestrained but need to externally generate specific and limited resources to do it.

Just mash all the colors together and be a faggy ass rainbow wizard. There. Done.

>>96746445
Choose to follow up on them.

>>96746451
>BTG template

>>96746449
Yeah. You’re vastly underestimating how Freeform the Paint is. You’re only thinking of buff magics and projectile magics. The magic in TES is rather uninspired.

>>96746459
>The magic in TES is rather uninspired.
Read the lorebooks.

>>96746465
>do homework

>>96746454
Okay so you’re being a pedantic little bitch boy. Got it.
>>96746465
Even in the lore it’s not at all Freeform and a WoD mage could shit on them in endless ways.

>>96746414
>The Obligation has to be significant for significant gain.
It really doesn't. Significant here meaning enough to bootstrap you to at least ONE (1) spell

>The fact that I chose to be the king's slave
Why are you so hung up on this idea of being a man's slave? Claim a territory and repel all others who try to take from you; BAM there's something you might be doing anyway that gets you a lot of paint.

>That are defined by your system as Opportunities,
Your system doesn't define what is an opportunity.

>The dead gamer was not from or connected to Wanderworld in anyway
Yeah, but the templates ARE by nature of having been exposed to the wanderworld inhabitants.

>You don't get to decide Opportunities
The system does not determine what is or isn't an opportunity.

>I don't think 'generates his own mana' is slavery, anon.
It is when you are so restricted by your system that you can't effectively choose your own spells.

>You ignored that part you're quoting is about paint quality as a factor.
No I didn't, unless you're gonna try to tell me that "shitting yourself in the bushes" paint is high quality somehow.

>>96746422
Nope

>>96746448
Alice is coming for you anyway, read her description again. She knows you're here and what you are, and she's interested. You being weaker than the Hare who is shit-scared of her means you are absolutely fucked.

>>96746465
TeS mages explicitly can’t do everything. Paint comes across like consensus reality, but personalized or self contained, as seen in WoD. It’s actually “anything”.

>>96746469
>>96746479
You're not a WoD mage, you're the local lord's cocksleeve because you needed more boypussy pink for your next cast of anon's tentacle rape for your next battle with the Sage.

A WoD mage could solo Fate Stay Night because the maguses in that can’t do shit

>>96746248
>>96746378
He is meant to be a kind of trickster rather than malicious.

What if the death guy also got rid of your need to eat, breath and sleep?
Besides once a week of course.

>>96746488
>reee why does magic require ingredients and investment reee
WitchCRAFT, spellCRAFT, anon

>>96746488
Nope you produced a ton of boypussy pink from your last spell (a semi-permanent construct that can handle all the king's needs for you, while you go off doing even more impressive shit to make it so you laugh at the very idea of using boypussy pink ever again)

>>96742919
>Saint Slayer
What's that?

What the fuck is ‘boypussy pink’

>>96746477
Then there's no point in whining about it is there? If you're definitely 100% fucked things can't get 101% fucked so you might as well enjoy things.
Maybe I'll get lucky and a human being has more imagination than a Hare when using powers based on imagination.

>>96746494
Figuring that out requires someone to have watched Fate, which is already a losing proposition.

>>96746513
Bend over and I'll show you.

>>96746513
Just anon's mockery of paint production

>>96746477
She's not ready to get with the full force of Harem Protagonist EX(You did get Invisible Line/Flickering Point right, jobber-kun?)

Reminder that the Gamer had infinite mana because they had what would become the Torrential Abyss.

Wait. Alice is a death sentence?

>>96746521
Was it actually a gamer or the game system itself. There’s a difference.

>>96746476
>It really doesn't. Significant here meaning enough to bootstrap you to at least ONE (1) spell
I think you're confused, we're talking about compared to an unrestrained Wizard and to the Hare's Condensate, not the other templates.
>Why are you so hung up...
The point is to highlight how annoying and burdensome strong Obligations can be. This is being done by taking the Pastebin's example (being a kingdom under attack's court witch) and denigrating it by equating it with being the king's slave.
>Claim a territory and repel all others
Assuming nobody wants it, you're not getting much Paint. If someone wants it, you're using up a lot of Paint. Catch 22.
>Your system doesn't define what is an Opportunity
It does, it's the thing giving you rewards.
>The templates ARE by nature of having been exposed to the Wanderworld inhabitants
It doesn't say they were at any point in the CYOA.
>The system doesn't determine what is or isn't an Opportunity
It does. It doesn't give you a quest list, but these external promptings are what causes the system to generate reward. You never, at any point, define your own Opportunities.
>You can't effectively choose your own spells
This is a restriction you invented.
>No I didn't
Then you missed the point, which is that there will be effects that need high quality paints and no amount of creativity will make low quality paints fill in for the quality gap. It's not about stretching concepts or ideas, but about quality as a raw indicator of ability.

>>96746512
>Want braces
>Not sure I want to dig out a dead girl's braces for the power
A dilemma

>>96746533
>morals in cyoas
Stop cucking yourself.

>>96746506
You forgot that permanent effects and Regalia require massive amounts of specific paint dumped into them, didn't you?

You should all just accept that none of you seem to know how the cyoa works.

“If you can’t explain it simply enough, you don’t understand it well enough”

>>96746522
If you can't seduce her yes.

>>96746522
She's already taken

>>96746521
That doesn't confirm he had infinite mana, his mana/stamina/hp/whatever pools all merged into a fractal singularity and were influenced by 'remnant archetypal powers' to create Torrential Abyss.

Even Phantasmagoria. Post it.

>>96746541
>Didn't take torrential abyss
I'm sorry to hear that jobber-kun
better luck next time

>>96746552
Wrong Alice.

>>96746550
Explain it to us then, genius.

>>96746572
I can’t. Not even I understand it.

>>96746522
Only if you're a jobber by nature.

Eden* Phantasmagoria

Why's Anon so hellbent on misinterpreting how Exotic Painter works and mad about it?

>>96746569
Of course she is, but try telling him that!

>>96746587
Explain how anon is incorrect.

>>96746562
>>96746584
Only because I'm in a congenial mood.

>>96746521
Their SYSTEM had it you mean. It was probably the basis for their resource recovery. The gamer had an extremely limited mana supply that was difficult to increase.

>>96746530
>and no amount of creativity will make low quality paints fill in for the quality gap

It absolutely will. That is what I am saying. Keeping in mind that every time you get one additional paint you gain more than the sum total paints in additional possible effects. Creativity is more important than abstract paint quality.

>The point is to highlight how annoying and burdensome strong Obligations can be
You gain abilities commensurate with your obligations, so like anything else, you grow with them to scale.

>Assuming nobody wants it, you're not getting much Paint.
Yes you are.

>If someone wants it, you're using up a lot of Paint. Catch 22.
Good thing the feats you are achieving with that paint themselves produce more paint than you used.

>It does
It doesn't.

>It does. It doesn't give you a quest list, but these external promptings
It doesn't, the system isn't giving you external promptings, interacting with people in some way is the only requirement. You don't have to obey them, you could terrorize them if you wanted, as long as you are interacting with them it counts.

>This is a restriction you invented
Freedom from restrictions is something YOU invented.

>>96746596
He's determined to underestimate how much paint you gain from obligations and opportunities and insists on pretending you're not supposed to use trinkets.

>>96746552
Shit game.

>>96746522
What Alice?

>>96746541
Not at all, I simply built up to it using what I had on hand. Now I have an effectively free supply of paint.

Apparently this planet was originally made of fungus. That’s funny.

>>96746604
Why does it happen, that a person is wiling to put so much effort into some aspect of a cyoa, while neglecting others?

>>96746638
What if you needed boypussy pink to create your boypussy homunculus, anon?

>>96746643
Because it deters readlets. It’s a fail safe. Only the patient and intelligent will get to enjoy it.

>>96746615
Is he also the same guy that wants to be a jrpg wizard enslaved to a list of boring one note spells?