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>Thread Question
From 1 to 10, what's your eternal hope level for M5?

>>96742740 (OP)
fuck that was a good comic

>>96742740 (OP)
>From 1 to 10, what's your eternal hope level for M5?
Brother. Nephandi are in the right on this one. Let it end.

for me, it’s the friggin’ chicken

>>96742740 (OP)
Replace Changling the dreaming with Changling the lost in classic WOD and I'd be the perfect universe

>>96742835
It’s your home brew, homie.

Can I accuse the Brujah of stolen valor from the Created?

>>96742920
Actually, the Antedeluvian’s name was Brujah. The creatures are Brujah’s monsters.

>>96742740 (OP)
Anyone ever thought about making a retroclone of oWoD or nWoD?

>>96742920
more like the titan in general. the call themselves prometheans as reference to prometheus bringing fire to mankind and being hated by the gods for it but they never did anything useful for mankind. Infact the faction who call themselves that want to compare their baali shithole city with the concept of fire as representation of learning and science and their punishment was in their eyes just because they been too awesome

so these guys are basically going "we could have been the technocracy if not for those mean ventrue"

>>96742740 (OP)
>>Thread Question
>From 1 to 10, what's your eternal hope level for M5?
-1/10
They will;
a)Make Traditions collapse, Disparates bigger, and the Technocracy the big unplayable "evil" faction while making the Orphans the main way to play Mage

B)Go the way of W5 or H5, completely "reimagine" it to the worse state. We will have "in name only" Mages, with everything being hearsay at best, non-existent at worst.

Either way, all art will be traced or LARP'ers. The game will be street-level as fuck and will include Paradox dice.

>>96742740 (OP)
Hope? 10. Always 10.
Expectation? 2. Pattern recognition is in full swing.

>>96743046
>Hope? 10. Always 10.

>>96742740 (OP)
>From 1 to 10, what's your eternal hope level for M5?
+6 from antidepressants make it a 7 out of 10

So the Messengers are God’s angels, right?

>>96743103
The HtR Messengers or the Messengers from DtD?

>>96742740 (OP)
>The hopeful schizo unapologetic believer of humanity work being placed in the care of the aptly-named Paradox, a company that white washes away any problematic and uncomfortable elements, and strips away all nuance, leaving only a sterile world that tries to make a point on contemporary issues that will date it, but not in a campy way, all while missing the whole goddamn point
Honestly, the Technocracy would be proud. If W5 was Pentax's in-universe satirical attempt to demoralize the Garou, then M5 will be the Syndicate's project.

I'll admit though, I predict the mechanics will probably gather fans. The lore, however? That shit will be neutered and be embarrassingly horrible.

>>96743103
Yeah, that's the default assumption.

>>96743137
That works. Now, dumb question - but I know that Gaia dwells in a paradise realm dreaming of life, and in the past, certain humans would enter it to be enlightened. How plausible is it for some Hunters to enter and through it, encounter the Messengers and thus become Imbued?

>>96743103
>>96743137
>The Imbued are fulfilling the Kuei-jin's role they had before their fall
DAMN

>>96742920
>Hipsters
I thought that was the Toreador shtick.

>>96743147
The Messengers specifically people who are completely uninvolved with and unaware of the supernatural. If you've found yourself in the Umbra, you're out of the running already.

>>96743148
That's the funny thing, Yama Kings fear and the Ministers think all of this to be "The Plan" by God aka August Personage.

>>96743147
It's your chronicle, you decide.
I personally allow it since there is some stuff about Gaia being an angel in the past.

>>96743161
Makes sense. I’m trying to marry Hunter v5 to the old school Imbued by having them “earn” their Imbuement after their own little misadventure - portraying the Imbuement as a great burden and veritable death sentence imposed upon people whom the Messengers, as capital A Angels, only want to see happy; and in the absence of God then the objective becomes defend the “Green Goddess” and hold the line until God returns.

>>96743174
It is my Chronicle, but that doesn’t mean I can’t make some stupid-ass decisions, and this is the only place where people actually play games and read books on occasion.

>>96742740 (OP)
>tq
I have zero hope. remember, m20 needed a 700 page book + heavily recommended 300 pages companion.

>>96742740 (OP)
>From 1 to 10, what's your eternal hope level for M5?
I posted a hypothetical overview for what M5 would be like a few threads back. Rather than copy and paste five posts of bullshit, here's a screencap.
>tl;dr
If it happens, it won't be good.

What's the best level for an inFamous-esque level of power?

>>96743157
Two different sides of the same coin.
Toreader hipsters are the ones who do it because of the aesthetic and are driven by style rather than any sort of actual philosophy.
Brujah hipsters are the ones who do it because of contrarianism and are trying to make an ideological statement rather than look good.

>>96743228
Just reading through that made me want to puke. I am not exaggerating, I am currently nauseated.

Good job.

>>96742753
>published in 2020
So not all V5 material is total shit, huh?

>>96742835
Changeling the Lost is such an overblown splat. Oh wow, you're a rape victim isn't that cool and mature? Your rapist might come back oh nooo.

>>96743103
They are confirmed to be sent by Satan in the one Apocalypse scenario.

>>96743279
Name any splat from any edition of any game that couldn't be condensed into a pithy and dismissive statement like that.

>>96743344
WtA
MtA
MtR
CtD ironically lmao

>>96743353
Those are the easiest to dismiss like that.

>>96743377
None of them are rape victims. What are you are you on about?

I know it may not be politically correct, but man, do I like rapin’!

>>96743387
>t. Most morally righteous Black Spiral Dancer

>>96743387
well at least you’re not a hypocrite

>A Euthanatoi Lhaksmist single-handly takes on a Syndicate/Black Water Dragons organization: The Manga
PEAK FICTION

>>96743466
Everything you posted reads like you’re using abstract adjectives and throwing suffixes like -jak and -cel at the end of them, followed by the now milquetoast “kino” or “ludo”.

>>96743353
Oh wow, you're blowing up pipelines isn't that cool and mature? The climate might collapse oh nooo.
Oh wow, you can wield magick isn't that cool and mature? But the sheeple won't let you oh nooo.
Oh wow, you're immortal isn't that cool and mature? But no one ever actually played this game oh nooo.
Oh wow, you're a poncy fairy isn't that cool and mature? But the modern world can't stand your faggotry oh nooo.

>>>96740704
Anon, Crabs do not have that many health levels. They are bugs.

>>96743279
Literally Vampire the Masquerade.

>>96743571
Crabs are crustaceans thoughbeit…

>>96743571
>Bugs
You will be punished for insulting the ultimate lifeform

>>96742740 (OP)
>From 1 to 10, what's your eternal hope level for M5?
I sure can't wait for them to butcher the traditions and the technocracy!

Maybe I'm more the concepts then aesthetics, but I'm just confused. It's like lusting over an angry tank.

>>96743767
Anon...people want to fuck eldritch abominations and I don't mean the hentai kind. This is normal

>>96743767
Whatever you do DO NOT watch the Eye of the Beholder episode of Gargoyles OR the Full Moon Fascination episode of Cybersix OR Scooby-Doo on Zombie Island, all of these create mustard gas.

>>96743484
The audacity of this lorelet.

>>96743767
>It's like lusting over an angry tank
What do the youth say these days, “Hear me out…”

>>96743484
*milk toast

>>96743854
I feel so old… how I miss the halcyon days of my youth…

“I’m not a furry,
BUT—“

… it was a simpler time… a happier time…

>>96741715
>god help us all if magefaggotry starts bleeding in
Knowing they're already doing their M20 campaign, I don't doubt there's gonna be some cameo of the players.

>>96742753
What comic?

>>96743989
Oh boy I can’t wait for the “redistribute the stolen wealth back to England’s former colonies to defeat the Syndicate” plot line.

>>96743860
You illiterate fuckface. It is "milquetoast". You probably pronounce "blackguard" like the color.

>>96744049
I know it’s a doggy dog world but that doesn’t give you permission to yell at me, fuckface.

I think the Syndicate is good actually

>>96743510
Your butthurt is so obvious, it must infuriate you that you aren't able to actually caricaturize the other settings meanwhile CtL is one-dimensional.

>>96744084
The Syndicate finances Epstein Island.

>>96744084
>>96744097
These are both true, because none of the factions in wod are one-dimensional unified monolyths and instead are made of people with competing interests.
There are unironic factions of ancient, totalitarian pedos in the syndicate having a political war with worker-rights capitalists within the syndicate at any one time.

>>96744097
I though that was the 7th Generation.

>>96744130
>Syndicate
>worker's rights

Werewolves came to a life mage to have them “de wormed”, and the life mage is currently pulling out spirit infused tape worms from their mouthes, asses, and navels as they try strangling her.

And no she’s not getting paid because werewolves are all poor.

>>96744198
>He doesn't know how people lived under the mages of old

>>96744200
Knock them out first. Jesus.

>>96744097
It's a ventrue / pentex colab

>>96744235
>he thinks the Syndicate aren't in on Pentex shit

>>96743854
The angry tank will never cheat on you.
The angry tank will never steal your income forever.
The angry tank wants nature walks and healthy non-vegan eating.

>>96744289
Accurate for 91.67% of angry tanks.

>>96744086
>Troll is mad that his Otherkin life game is the weaker, less popular one

>>96744289
The angry tank just kills you instead for being a filthy h*m*n

>>96744200
What payment is the mage getting that isn't related to sexual deviancy or violence?

>>96744240
A small price to pay for maintaining price stabilité

>>96744084
There is a reason for that, because unlike literally every other Convention or Tradition, the Syndicate is about the Masses.

>>96744365
Changelings would die just from looking at this dude

Splat for this experience?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8iY0WznZao&pp=ygUYc3RvcnkgZnJvbSBzb3V0aCBhbWVyaWNh0gcJCfwJAYcqIYzv

>>96744439
Why are you a retard that posts tracking links?

>>96742740 (OP)
>tq
1
They're going to drain it if all things that makes MtAsc cool. It's going to be dumbed down and simplified, likely going to do away with the creative freedom of Magick. We'll have a list of rotes that you get access to depending on sphere levels, and that's it. No coming up with shit on the fly, just a list of stuff.

The Technocracy are going to go back to the old "super mega bad guys" thing as they do away with any and all nuance. Probably go the way of saying they got subsumed by Threat Null.

The Traditions are going to be turned into bland cookie cutter "orders" that drop all the cultural stuff they have. Probably being renamed to something akin to "The Order of (Sphere)" or something. I wouldn't be surprised if the Order of Hermes gets squatted, some justification of "they all went Marauder" or something.

Tl;dr: Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment. Especially with the precedent set by the other 5e things.

>>96744084
Aren't you supposed to be dead, Terry?

>>96744447
I do not, click to find out more.
https://www.britannica.com/plant/broomrape

>>96743577
You know I was thinking this the other day. I don't dislike CtL by any means, but it feels like it brings the least to the table when put up next to all the other splats. It's very much Vampire-lite, with a focus on the same themes. It's just a change of aesthetics, a little more magical, less monstrous, maybe a little more sympathetic/tragic.

>>96744392
You have True Faith for vampires and Bureaucracy for changelings

>>96742209
>Women rebel against their family because of an expectation to be breedable.
>expectation to be breedable

So very tangently related. A few threads ago I pitched a Hunter concept of a devout catholic woman with true faith who is also a closeted lesbian and my ST and confirmed players approved the concept. One of the circles I have been trying to square is: if she is very devout in her faith, why doesnt she just swallow her pride and find a guy she can tolerate and pump out like 2 kids?

So would it make sense for her backstory to have a full hysterectomy when she was younger as a justification for not even bothering to find a husband? I figured it has a secondary effect of her believing that since she can not fulfill her 'womanly duty' to be a mother, she would devote her life all that much more to the church/God.

I just want to make sure my character is following an internal consistency.

>>96744758
>if she is very devout in her faith, why doesnt she just swallow her pride and find a guy she can tolerate and pump out like 2 kids?
Because Christianity places no expectation on its followers to marry and reproduce

>>96744758
Why would she be expected to have kids? She's basically a nun, and those don't ever get married or give birth.

>>96744758
I would strongly recommend that the hysterectomy either be involuntary or voluntary out of necessity. For example, like she was horribly injured in a car accident which necessitated the removal of her sex organs and even lower intestines which left her physically weaker. This might negatively affect your character interpretation, so here’s a secondary and, in my opinion, stronger suggested: A hysterectomy because of ovarian cancer.

Have her internal struggle be that she is trying to reconcile God’s plan for her if she cannot fulfill His plan to go forth and multiply due to a cancer He allowed her to suffer from. Or, have her view her cancer as a blessing in disguise because it strengthens her resolve to remain unmarried and celibate in His name, which opens her to temptation upon a monster whispering into her ear that she can have premarital sex with no real physical consequences; so what’s the harm in having fun? Alternatively, have her believe that assisting in orphanages is enough to feel like a mother, but she’s unaware that she loses all reason when she sees a child in danger which puts the lives of her fellow hunters in peril, making her a risk to keep around despite her genuinely good nature.

Drawfag here with another sketch! This time a Skull Pig, having just smashed a bus off the road, and gorged on the occupants. Still trying to decide on what my next piece will be! But this Skull Pig was fun to sketch, and has a nice dynamic composition, so this one might be it!

Hope you all enjoy!

>>96744875
Oink

>>96744454
>Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
Hope is more than a postponed disappoinment (c) Mark Jansens of Epica [would totally make sense as as a part of Celestial Chrous]
>>96744758
You type like a man. What compels you to play a female character? That's far less believable than playing a vampire or an avatar of Nyarlathotep.

What do Metis change into during their First Change?

>>96742740 (OP)
-1

>>96744957
They don't have a First Change, that's only for Lupus and Homid.

>>96744875
I look forward to seeing the horrific scene.
>>96744957
They don't have a First Change because...well, they are born Crinos. Someone shared this in the thread before if you want to see it for yourself.

Not very fun for the mother.

>>96745007
HA!

Women.

>>96744758
Man, why would you play a religious character when you know nothing about the religion in question?

>>96745007
>werewolf
>C-section
It really is uncommon knowledge that a woman can just power-squat a baby out, isn't it? Like, that laying down is actually not an optimal position for human women to give birth? That's just unknown, isn't it?

>>96744981
>>96745007
But they do have to grow to maturity to adopt the other forms, right? That's like the whole thing- they are trapped in crinos form for their childhood.

>>96744981
God I wish we got Woofs who were born in Hispo or Glabru form.

i liked it (besides the vampires being completely unfazed by sunlight)
please recommend me some more vampire films

>>96745067
Yeah, but their first change is basically the ability to become human or woof.

>>96744875
WE WIL CRUSH U LIEK A SKUL OF PIG

>>96745059
SHIT OUT THAT BAYBEE!!!

>>96745193
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Approved_Movies

>>96744957
Into a human or a wolf. They first change around the age of 7.

>>96742740 (OP)
First time STing or even playing any WoD game myself.
I've been running a game of VtM V5 (listen, they are newbie normies, and it was either the easiness of V5 or nothing at all) for 4 friends of mine, who knew nothing about WoD prior. Yes, not even VTMB. I made them all roll newly-turned thinbloods so they don't have to learn about each clan, banes, disciplines, lore, etc. to make it easier for them. And I made a slight rule change that each feeding gives them temporary discipline ability to try out and get a feel for each (to help them in choosing the clan later on).
So far they've been ecstatic about the world and the game. Each already lost some humanity, fought a biker gang, and managed to stake a proper vampire of the 12th generation (and immediately proceeded to decapitate him). So far we're more than halfway through our little investigation, and at the end, I will give them a choice to diablerize a proper vampire and "ascend". Hopefully, they will manage to complete this little adventure by the end of the month, and we can start getting onto real stuff by Halloween.
Some of the highlights from our games that I found amusing:
> One of the PCs is a stereotypical american trucker. He had to incapacitate a nurse and took his clothes to "blend" in. He "forgot" to take off his cap and walked around the hospital with scrubs and a baseball cap.
> The other PC is a petite girl with a "baby teeth" flaw. It didn't stop her from using her switchblade on people's necks even when she wasn't hungry, because the player forgot that you need to only feed when you're hungry.
> The third PC is a "dutch tourist". He got his hands on a bag of meth in the first session, and has been trying to peddle it to various NPCs. So far all his rolls were absolutely awful, so he's still running around with a bag of meth.
> On session 1 they tried to slake their hunger by eating in Burger King. Much throwing up ensued.

>>96745263
>easiness of v5
I think having mechanics that don't give you brain damage may be preferable, v20 is just convenient in a lot of ways though I suppose player option abundancy leads to them to do stupid shit for first time players. Me currently have
>1 player wants to be a caitiff with ties to his human life
>1 wants to be an assamite merc
>a nos with way too much backstory baggage (hunted down)
>a tremmy
I don't think they even envisioned a single face character or tard wrangler so it should be interesting

>>96745263
>diablerie
are you going to basically keep them around as turbo criminals because of it or is that an "if anyone finds out" bit

>>96745240
very cool, thank you

>>96745285
I genuinely don't get the "V5 is so much easier" claim. Just admit that normies are mindless consumers and throw a hissy fit if you don't play the most recent Product.

>>96745302
Likely a bit of both, the art being more modern definitely makes the book easier to read though I bet none of the players read the book more than for a character sheet or game rules. Reading the v5 and seeing
>blood potency
Was enough for me to reconsider v5

>>96745285
I'd love nothing more than to have a V20 game with them, but they were skeptical of playing a "new" tabletop at all (DnD 5e babies), but now that they are loving it, I can suggest switching to a "better" system down the line. Boiling the frogs slowly, so to speak.
>>96745294
Only an NPC "mentor" of theirs will know about this, since he has been helping them with onboarding and the current investigation. Once they diablerize their sires, he will know this secret that I would be able to use at some point against them. I think it's a good hook to have.
>>96745302
They are consumers, but they refused to switch to 2024 D&D rules after those were released. In my case it's more of a "You have to read this entire book just to know how to create a character" or "I explain all the rules you need to know in session 0, and you can read up on what you want yourselves". I just know if I used the first option, I would've lost 2-3 of them immediately. I almost lost them on all the advantages & flaws part of character creation.
>>96745329
I'm willing to bet my left nut that they didn't even read the rules even though I told them to, since I already "tweaked" a couple to make it look more like V20, and they haven't noticed. But alas, making friends like your favorite tabletop is difficult. One of them asked if there are any novels in the "VTM universe", so there might still be hope for them.

>>96745358
>DnD 5e babies
Say no more, I understand completely. I've been trying to shill shadowrun, CP, PF, anything to these guys and it only took an overly autistic explanation of WoD and how cool it is to get victimized by werewolves if playing Hunter then pivoted to explaining that Vampire would be the easiest one to learn the game system with. Originally I wanted to do Wraith or Mage, but then I thought they would want to blow their heads off constructing actual backstories and trying to figure out Mage. I would have been fine with Hunter but with these group they'd probably try to piss off werewolves and get TPK'd or something

>>96745358
>didn't even read the rules
>almost lost them on advantages and flaws
only 1 of my 4 players finished the sheet entirely flaws and all, everyone else is either stuck on it or wildly misinterprets it. I tell them multiple times "don't read the lore if you don't want to i'll explain stuff just read disciplines and clans" and they just don't listen. Happens, but keep it up and hopefully you'll get a good game going

>>96745368
>Originally I wanted to do Wraith or Mage
There's zero chance 5e newbies would enjoy Wraith or Mage, so good call.

>>96745412
Not even WoD fans enjoy Wraith

>>96745368
I wouldn't even dare to try mage with them. I know their (and my) limits.
>>96745381
I knew this would happen to them too, so I insisted on session 0, and we spent about 5 hours just making characters, with me explaining to them all the rules by going through the character sheet one item at a time. I even had to explain backgrounds, advantages, and flaws separately before even telling them to open the page in the PDFs. But now? They are all aboard and looking forward to each session, creating playlists for their characters, drawing stuff, and making recap videos (with AI images) of what we did in the previous session.

Are you playing with developmentally disabled children or something?

>>96745452
>developmentally disabled children
When was the last time you tried to play with normies anything that isn't a modern multiplayer video game?

>>96745452
Yes

>>96745517
I play Catan with my co-workers sometimes, it's fun

>>96745585
Do you Catan?

>>96745412
>>96745439
tbf, I was playing up the ridiculousness of mages turning people into chair so I think I could have made it enjoyable. As for Wraith, I was thinking making it more undead fantasy than emotional CBT but I suppose I made a good call to introduce them with Vampire

>>96745452
ever interacted with a normie in a non-office setting? Even professionally, they're rather like that

How "busy" would the world be if you could see into Twilight? Only Spirits that cross the Gauntlet, and Ghosts not in the Underworld are there right? Would there be Spirits everywhere following their impulses and a few ghosts hanging about being a nuisance, or would it be sparser?

>>96745743
>How "busy" would the world be if you could see into Twilight?
That depends on what version you are looking at. IIRC, ghosts avoid it like the plague unless their anchors are being moved because of the hourly plasm bleed, but animistic spirits visit it daily to feed from the material mirror events.

How often do you deal with the small drawbacks of vampirism? like animals bein on edge around them.

>>96745887
Should be fairly often reminders but not literally every outdoor scene

>>96744929
>You type like a man
I have also been told I type like a woman on a few occasions. Ive also had people ask me if I was trans because I seem to have a mix of male and female qualities.
>>96745035
Because I can. I actually have been trying to learn more about catholicism but the older catholic lady Ive been talking to hasnt been coming around. The barometric pressure is probably fucking with her.
>>96744830
>I would strongly recommend that the hysterectomy either be involuntary or voluntary out of necessity.
I was actually thinking of uterine cancer as the reason.

>>96745969
I get that. I'm just amused how some merits, like Inoffensive to Animals, imply penalties to the baseline template.

>>96744875
As always, good work, anon!

>>96745263
>he's still running around with a bag of meth
This is hilarious.

>>96745358
>I can suggest switching to a "better" system down the line. Boiling the frogs slowly, so to speak.
That's what I always talk about V5. It's a simple system you can introduce people and then give them the good stuff (i.e. 20th anniv or Revised).
>I almost lost them on all the advantages & flaws part of character creation
My God this is horrible. But at least they're still playing now and have fun!
>One of them asked if there are any novels in the "VTM universe", so there might still be hope for them
Oh, this is neat! My friend always recommend reading the Followers of Set novel. It's a good way how to use allies, contacts and resources.

>>96745439
Good to know your players are enjoying a lot! I have some friends with this level of enthusiasm and it's always a beam of sunlight in my world.

>>96744957
They Change to either human or wolf. It depends sometimes on their socialization or how they see themselves. It's up to the player.

>>96745741
>>96745517
Why are you playing with normalfags?

>>96746143
Because they are my friends IRL?

>>96745439
I be honest, you have a lot more patience than I do. I am happy that they are actually into it but the beginning sounds like hell.

>>96745263
This group sounds hilarious, hope you have a lot of fun, anon.

>>96746143
Where else do you suggest I grab players from? Discord? Some sketchy website? At least I can expect a level of normalcy from irl friends

>>96745982
Well, you are an undead walking spook so I would figure a lot of the fluff that you're uncanny to be around is for real but something that can be largely avoided in a metropolitan area. Rarely will see a lot of animals about and even then only cats and dogs really have any sort of telling reaction that can just be attributed to shyness or something. If a vampire goes to pet it though then I imagine that's going to cause some issues

>>96746279
Session 0 with a lot of character planning like that does sound a bit painful especially with a larger group

>>96743378
>>96743353
It's really easy to be a dick who has only watched YouTube videos
All could be called rape victims by your logic
>Ohhh nooooo your faggot ass magic was destroyed by having medicine,food,water,cellular communication, worldwide travel, and air conditioning
>You're retarded Werwolf asses genocided everyone who cleaned/protected the planet then literally raped and enslaved what's left only to bitch about it's humanity's fault, now open up the wyrms calling dog fucker
>Nooooo my young LGBQOATFRZ+ gender queer pixie soul! I have to work a 40h job SAVE ME! I DON'T WANT TO BE AN ADULT!

CTL is a game about LOSS
It's in the name for God's sake

>>96746195
Get better friends

>>96746345
Your LGS? Other local nerds?

>>96744368
>The Masses want a say in what goes on
>Too bad, the Syndicate decided that a handful of douchebags should have all the money and thus Primal Utility. No say for you

Sure, sure.

>>96745253
>>96746132

Correct Crinos-born information. Addendum: Sometimes they can do it from birth because they have the Metamorph merit. This was used to patch the story of a Central Park Caern NPC, Fengy, who was stated to have turned into a small cub after being abandoned by his parents.

>>96742773
Is this cat? Are ya feedin me cat?

>>96746279
It was fine, since I had never played VTM myself before; helping them figure it out also helped me.
>>96746312
I really like what they did with their characters too. Here are other noteworthy moments:
>When they tried to feed for the first time, they accidentally drained a mortal. To cover up the masquerade breach of bloodless corpse, they found an electrical breaker and thew the body into the wires, essentially frying the poor sod to a crisp and blacking out an entire block.
>On session 2 they robbed a hardware store. The dutch guy with specialty in Craft (Bombmaking) got styrofoam and all together they stole several galons of sulfuric acid.
>>96746470
>Get better friends
I don't base friendships on how well people can play TTRPGs. They are good people, if a bit of a "turbo-normie" type.
>Your LGS? Other local nerds?
Not that anon, but I could go out and seek a group in an LGS that is willing to play the game with me (unlikely, small town), or I could teach my friends how to do it and have fun together that way.

He appears in world of darkness either through isekai or he’s an ultimate maurader who broke his limiter through his Maurader bullshit. What happens

The anti-technocracyfag is getting tiresome because he gets BTFO in every thread but still posts the same shit. Even Reddit thinks he’s cringe and annoying

>>96746586
... odds are he misses the entire supernatural side of the world for a long ass time or gets mind fucked.

>>96746637
Mists and other stuff that enforces the masquerade wouldn’t work on him and he has super senses so I’m not too sure of that. Pity the first vampire using some illusion power that runs into him

>>96746616
Get back in your cagie, little wagie.

>>96746438
It's Changeling the Lost, not Changeling the Loss.

>>96746586
>Garou pack is having their “end of chronicle fight” against some powerful bane or whatever
>they’re losing
>Saitama was trying to find Wal-Mart but got lost and happens upon the fight
>the bane tries to attack and Saitama dodges without thinking
>then he turns to he bane and focuses on it causing it to get a sudden feeling of dread before punching it into dust
>then he wonders off without talking to the garou muttering something about not being a dog person

>>96746616
No, you don't get it, he's TOTALLY gonna be the sorcerer king once the Sneeditions take over (lol) and not a slave.

>>96746653
>Mists and other stuff that enforces the masquerade wouldn’t work on him and he has super senses so I’m not too sure of that.
Bruh where de he show super senses or resistance to mind control?

>>96746709
He has resistance to everything it’s part of his character. He’s basically meant to be a plot device character that has god mode enabled. He broke the internal limiter on his power so on the off chance he meets something that can effect him his power increases by that amount. Thinking he could beaten in a fight or mind controlled misses the point of his character. He could destroy the entire Earth with a punch without breaking a sweat

>>96746586
Nothing about his life changes. Maybe some mage, changeling, or garou who also has toon force could mess with him, but otherwise he just keeps doing what he normally does.

>>96746738
I can see the technocracy giving up trying to fight him and instead using undercover agents to direct him at whatever they want punched into oblivion

>>96746721
So what's even the point of the question?

>>96746757
Yeah, despite being a very powerful reality deviant he doesn't really pose a threat to humanity. If the technocracy is fine with cooperating with vampires and other supernaturals, it's not a stretch to assume they'd be fine with working with or manipulating him.

How does angel blood taste like? What side effects would it have?

>>96746797
>How does angel blood taste like?
What version?

>>96746785
>the technocracy creates a new division explicitly created as a “Hero’s Association” to work with Saitama and forces a bunch of agents to create superhero personas

>>96746771
How people react to him is what’s interesting about Saitama

>>96746586
He does fine?
...
You know what, let me be crazy.
His arrival is calm at first but the more heroic he does, the stronger belief in superheroes become. In the past, superhero spirits were, comperetively, weak. Owing to the fact that this is World of Darkness.
But with his arrival, the decades following his appearance made waves in the Umbra.
Incarnas of Superhero are start appearing, joinging numerous Umbral Courts and Broods to fight against injustice and evil. Nobody knows what will happen next but it is exciting and for one, good times for World of Darkness.

Also, Man of Gotham officially invites Saitama to join them but he declines. They are too broody for him.

>>96746797
It burns. It burns completely. It burns good.

>>96746839
The world would also flood with glamour. If it went far enough the gates to Arcadia might slam open if only briefly

>>96746838
>How people react to him is what’s interesting about Saitama
People try fight him and die. no one realises he is the reason why XYZ figure have gone missing so we get a King expy for each splat because funny.

>>96746847
Saitama would basically be patron saint for a lot of Seelie changelings. Even Unseelie would respect it, if only because he does legendary stuff.

Speaking of moon landing, considering how being hopeful even eased Paradox, that's another plus for The Technocracy to support Saitama.

>>96746839
Wouldn't that also cause supervillains to appear?

>>96746877
yes, because wod can't have nice things.

>>96746877
Yeah but this is World of Darkness.
Considering how there are lot of evil spirits already there? I doubt it will actually be bad in the long run. Plus at least supervillains, by the very fact that they are supervillains, lose to Heroes. Especially since this is Saitama we are talking about that inspires them. As long as Saitama doesn't lose, which we all know he will not, supervillain spirits are there to lose.

>>96746616
more like anti-technocracy thread desu, I don't think anyone here but you likes them

>Not so subtle shilling of V5 shit products
>Retarded discussion of braindead joke manga that doesn't take itself seriously
>Spamming of the same discussion over and over in multiple threads
is some discord group raiding this general or what.

>>96746977
Nta but I have been on /tg/ since like, 2010. This general was always techie. Go look at /tg/ archives.
Fucking hell, even that faggot footlicker Satyros can't help but admit more people support techies than traddies.

>>96745263
>First time STing or even playing any WoD game myself.
how have you been preparing to ST? what kinds of resources were have you been using?
i want to play vtm or anything really but i figure if i bring it up to a group i will have to ST it myself

>>96746961
based on CRINGE more like

>>96744037
Winter's Teeth. That's where the OP pic is from.

>>96746549
>Crinos-born
Sir, we are in 4chan. You can say "Metis" without being judged.
Also, Metis is a french word which means "Mestizo". It isn't a connection to canadian-native Metis. Just like "Garou" and other french words they shoved in the book. Even Rage Across the World from early 2000s said that.
The french literally called the mixed breed "Metis" because that's their word for it. Sure, there's all racist implications and so on, but it's clear as day that it's not the case here.
I'm always curious to know when this association started to happen because I only knew about it around later W20 and earlier W5, but it seems this is far older and people bought into this idea without any real proof.

So like according to ascension the world of darkness is a prime 9 effect and that’s the equivalent of what God did

???

>>96747102
That's just some speculation by some Mages. Not even all Mages.

>>96747120
It’s brought up more than once!

>>96747129
>if multiple people say something, it's true

>>96742929
They're not even the worst. The more I think about the True Brujah the more pathetic they get
>ACKSHUALLY we saw the jyhad and thought it was cringe so we totally let our ante get eaten!!! Trust the plan!
>oh we totally educated those meanie Troilespawn and build Carthage but it fell because of those meanie Ventrues >:( Baali? Who's that?
>Oh now we totally control the world from le shadows with the Tal Mahe Ra but we don't care about them, they're useful tools to us... *adjustes anime glasses*
>now we just hide in the dark and hoard books but we're totally kill all Brujah/undo the Jyhad! Two more weeks!

I also don't buy for a second the story that Brujah/Troile diablerized Ventru. Know why? Because if anything close to that had ever happened then the Brujah would never shut the fuck up about it. These guys just exist because the writers wanted the Dio timestop.

>>96747129
The possibility of there being multiple, completely different Triat is also brought up. Does it make it true? Not really.
Just like how Garou doesn't know the truth about Gaia and the Triat, Mages also don't know and speculate.
There is a reason why Dreamspeakers think there are multiple Gaia like entities but then you have...I think Glass Walkers? Christian believers in Werewolves.

>>96747080
Probably from same people who saw Get of Fenris symbol and associated with a "half nazi swastika" instead of "two crossed melee weapons" the designer said on his (quite old) interview regarding symbol's design.
It's just a case of dumb people infecting the hobby (again). I suggest you to filter players and not engage on conversations with braindead people.

>>96747147
>The possibility of there being multiple, completely different Triat is also brought up. Does it make it true? Not really
It’s absolutely true. The multiverse is real. You can’t even justify time travel into the past without assuming multiverse.

>>96745193
Daybreakers. Rather underrated vamp flick..

>>96747138
Ironically, Ilyes would agree since he hates True Brujah even more than normal Brujah.

>>96747080
Nta but Metis still isn't a good word for it because they are the opposite of mixed breed. I keep trying to come up with a better term, but there really isn't a good slur for the inbred.

>>96747155
? Yes it is real. The Technocracy even goes to them.
But that wasn't what I am talking about. I am talking about the fact that just because Werecats says Gaia fucked every Animal Totem, got bred and spawned the Werecreatures, before begging for the dick of the Cat by, who only fucks Gaia because she showed proper respect to him, doesn't make it true.

>>96747186
Nah it’s true. In some hypothetical universe. :^)

Reading through MtR. Please help me understand the Companion background.
Every level in the background lists a different dice pool bonus, although the amount of bonus dice is equal to the number of dots (eg. at 2 dots you get 2 bonus dice for learning secrets, at 4 dots it's 4 bonus dice for soaking damage).
But it also says:
>You may use the dice pool bonus listed for each level once per game session.
Are they saying you get to use the bonus of each level up to your dots in the background, or do they just mean that it's once per session no matter how many dots you have?

Or could you, for example, take 4 dots but declare that your Companion is a cat and therefore get the listed 2 dot bonus (but with 4 bonus dice rather than 2)?

Which clans are the ones controlling the nights where you're from? Here in the boring parts of the rust-belt I imagine it used to be the Ventrue until they got wiped out due to infighting. Now the Nosferatu are the ones trying to steer the boat from crashing.

>>96746977
Take the pills and trust the science, reality deviant

>>96741751
>the main issue is that vampires burn in sunlight and struggle to stay awake during the day.
They'd already talked about daywalkers existing and the possibility of it being a recent turning. They also had a problem: They know a ghoul was present. It'd be more strange to instantly jump to "It must be a werewolf" within less than an hour of there being even a faint hint of such a thing happening. Keep in mind that you, the viewer, have months to calmly contemplate, while the characters have minutes embroiled in madness in which to do so.

>Guns aren't an ideal weapon against vampires [baseless conjecture]
There's really not much to say here other than to say that you're wrong.

>Occam's "blood test" being done by himself was a really bad idea. Not only did it leave him open to being ganked
True, however everything else is nonsense since Occam was known to not be the ghoul outright, and they address that Marckus was a cripple and leaving him in a relatively safe room wasn't a terrible idea. The kitten thing was weird, but I've seen more awkward conversations at far less appropriate moments.

tl;dr be less autistic

>>96745416
Good story bad game

>>96747198
From my reading, higher dots get every past bonus as well. You can use every bonus once per session. Say you have Dot 5 Lion but you use Dot 2 bonus to learn secrets. You are left with Dot 1-3-4-5 bonuses for that session.

And since it says "At the Storyteller's discretion, you may substitute a different animal for your character", just talk with ST to have Dot 5 level Cat even if cats are usually Dot 2 level animals.

>>96745240
>no The Lost Boys
You fucking kidding me?

>>96747021
>Nta but I have been on /tg/ since like, 2010.
newfag
> This general was always techie.
LOL

>>96747203
Not gonna lie, I really can't come up with something interesting for the current state of the Amazon. Like, sure, there are the Dream Speakers and Progenitor prompts, but I feel like this region has been stuck on a "nothing ever happens" mood for the last 5 years or so.

>>96747256
Alright, thanks. That was my first reading too but I started second-guessing as I looked longer. The specific bonuses for every level just seemed a bit arbitrary.

I took that part about substituting animals to mean "sure you can make your lion a dog if you want, but it's still the same bonus", but yeah I don't think anyone would object to changing the specific animal/bonus.

>>96747309
>newfag
...you don't know this fucking whole board was created in 2007? I played this shit since 99. Go back to your reddit newfag.

>>96743279
I just preferred the greater variety in kiths; my GM liked how versatile hobgoblins are.

>>96746977
>I don't think anyone here but you likes them
I like them; I'd love to play a quirky Progenitor who makes weird creatures.

>>96747162
>Daybreakers. Rather underrated vamp flick..
Agreed!

I also like Changeling The Lost. It’s a genuine horror game.

>>96747382
It’s not a genuine horror game for the majority of Lostfags who just want to play as luscious twinky gaybois. Literally not a horror game at that point.

Vampire and Werewolf haven’t been true horror games in a long time. Mage is only horror if you do it right.

>>96747318
If I remember correctly, the latest Amazon plot is that Garou and Pentex war against each other in the jungles. Hell, M20 even made that even the Technocracy is protecting it from further degradation.

Otherwise, perhaps you can expand the New Impergium (see image) to Amazon and the surrounding? It is certainly easier to implant new Impergium there than in Europe. You can even have Red Talon-Shadow Lords vs Silver Fangs intrigue and politics.

>>96747423
True, given how slow things are wereolves killing the people who develop roads and other infrastructure would be a very reasonable explanation.

Underworld was sued by WW who put out a novel 5- 6 years earlier about a Vampire Juliet and Werewolf Romeo.

Sony settled out of court within 4 days of the lawsuit being filed, the story is they knew they were absolutely fucked because the writers were openly saying "Yeah we got all our ideas from V:tM, love that game" at convention panels.

>>96747462
bram stoker should sue WW for using his vampire ideas

>>96747462
Don't be dumb, of course it's not, they're nothing alike, Underworld is no way at all whatsoever just VtM with the names filed off, you'd have to be an absolute retard to think that what are you an idiot?
Was my sarcasm thick enough?

>>96747462
Is the idea of vampires vs werewolves really all that unique?

>>96747462
Why do you have such a hard on for this meme?

>>96747423
So Pentex is trying to build shit but the Woofs keep killing as many people as they can get away with, potentially with the New Impergium becoming a nationwide policy.

The Progenitors are also involved with preservation efforts, so they might benefit from the existing biology for their projects. The Syndicate is trying to see how to make some money from the place without pissing off the Progenitors too much or giving the Dream Speakers leverage with what little tourism there is, presuming that the Indians still have mages among them.

Underworld fucking sucked. God I hate those movies. They are SO fucking bad. Holy shit.

>>96747607
Basically. Pentex has like, 1000+ military personel and a bunch more workers and researchers there.

And if it is say, before Chaos Factor, Samuel Haight is there. In pursuit of a legendary Mage and a legendary realm.
If it is in modern times, Progenitors and Iteration X started to clean up the place.

>>96746875
Do you think Big Bird was on the Challenger in oWoD instead of the public school teacher?

>>96747475
Pretty sure Anne Rice did.

Bloodlines 2 reviews are absolutely destroying the game. I wonder if this will kill V5 for good after 10 years of development and millions lost for parashit

>>96747945
>Pretty sure Anne Rice did.
She joked about it after White Wolf sued Underworld, but she never actually did.

>>96747956
>I wonder if this will kill V5 for good
If it does do you think they might build on 20th?

>>96746709
Saitama cannot lose

>>96747956
Oh, they released preview copies already?

>>96746771
OPM is the punchline, it's a setup for a big joke and then Saitama sometimes anti-climactically gets underestimate and then One Punches some dude. I think the high-detail manga misses this element of the comics but instead it looks good. Saitama is the straight man for a lot of wacky and insane personalities

>>96747026
nta but I'd recommend starting with a story module so that you get a feel for what you're doing as you try making a followup. A lot of what you're doing probably is about tying in player backstory and actions together with the sort of plotline you want to ape from a movie (realistically) and how players react to stuff

>>96747607
Stop saying "New Impergium". There's no type of Impergium possible when you can't actually control population numbers at all. The Garou are not capable of this with their numbers and the general lack of will to make it happen.

Ratkin, however, are willing to delve into methods that Garou won't. Like BC warfare, for example. They might be able to manage something like it, but hey, that is their job.

>>96747496
The whole vampire secret society thing is kind of unique

>>96747977
I'd hope they learn for once the only version of the game people actually liked wholesale was 20th but there's no longer any writers willing to actually do unsafe edgy shit like that
>>96747956
>style a game after immersive sims with even less RPG dialogue mechanics
>don't add immersive sim elements at all
It was doomed to fail, neither TCR or Paradox new what they wanted the game to be, and by the looks of it Hardsuit Labs was just a bit incompetent. I suppose it doesn't help that instead of firing the devs and keeping the core staff behind the music, writing, and ideas, they got rid of those as well so we have an even more safe game that appeals to no one except people hungry for WoD vampire games. Even then, there's a lot of other lower cost games that match the spirit of vampire more.

>>96747990
Yes. Achievements got leaked and apparently the game has near 0 side quests and interactive open world
>>96747977
Doubtful. But at this point killing V5 is a net positive regardless of what happens next. Is a taint on the game as a whole and paradox won't learn from their mistakes

>>96748063
>have an open world
>no sidequests
Why even bother? In that case a chapter-based game is much better and easier to code. Le "quest hubs" only matter if exploration actually leads somewhere unique

>>96748019
The Ratkin tried their best with rona, they aren't getting a Great Contagion any time soon even if they fall to the Wyrm,

>>96748063
>But at this point killing V5 is a net positive regardless of what happens next.
Bruh, even if they kill V5, V6 isn't going to be any better for most people on 4chan.

>>96748058
>I'd hope they learn for once the only version of the game people actually liked wholesale was 20th
Is it? It's what my GM will likely use if we ever return to WoD at all, but I was under the impression that a lot of people hated it.

>>96748097
I think they'd probably do v5 for the other ones like Mage or Wraith. I feel like if anything needs a v5 or clarification it would be wraith probably, Mage would be ruined though. Hopefully a v6 has less stupid RP'ing as a permavictim

>>96748114
20th is literally just the 1st edition and some compendium stuff for the most part. I suppose I meant "it was the originals that people liked wholesale". Yeah it has problematic elements but I suppose that's what gave it charm. It didn't pretend to be DnD but goth

>>96747181
Brazilian-Portuguese official translation is "Impuro" (Impure).
Maybe you can use that 'cause it's still a negative word and has negative mystical connotations as well.

>>96748058
Paradox is ideologically driven. From the very beginning they never wanted this to be an actual bloodlines sequel because bloodlines is oWoD and they want to force people into their new slop. That's why they fired the initial original team

>>96748167
could have had their cake and eat it too but they'd rather just make slop I guess

>>96748124
>problematic elements

>>96748226
I'm not a liberal but a lot of the language and... themes... of shit like old Vampire and Werewolf books is pretty freaky. I don't mind it, but I'd rather not encourage my friends to go ham on "roll to rape" and the like. it's a funny one off joke but then it gets overused

>>96748124
I just wish they'd given Demon, Mummy, and Hunter the same treatment; even if it was only one book each.

>>96748264
Isn't there a hunter 20th ed? Also do Mummy and Demon even have enough supplementary material to form a 20th edition compendium like that? I know Mummy has a few editions but they kind of rework the game and Demon is pretty weird as well

>>96748288
>Isn't there a hunter 20th ed?
No that got canned

>>96748248
If your friends are unable to engage with fiction earnestly without having some sort of meltdown or having someone else patronizing their content as if they were little kids you should work on that before playing the game. That's why each edition had a warning at the intro.
>inb4 this is bait

>>96747382
Same. A lot of oWoD lines just wear horror as an aesthetic, but scratch it and it's just edgy 90s capeshit.

>>96748292
Nah but like there's freaky and then there's too freaky. It'd probably derail the game and I don't want to ST certain type of content frankly. I feel like it always goes poorly
>>96748291
shame that. Although most versions of Hunter are actually pretty redeemable

>>96748248
>I'm not a liberal BUT
Opinion discarded. Get lost lieral, leddit's thataway.

Hang on, HtP mentioned Slashers but they're a CofD thing. Did I miss something?

>hire the Machine For Pigs dev to make a sequel to a game
>they make a game that's massively reduced in features and gameplay from the original
>surprisedpikachuface.jpg

>>96748471
Adding to which:
>the writing is nowhere near as good as the original, whether plot- or character-wise.

>>96748456
Alfa and Speaker wanted to use both new and old lore interchangeably as long as the setting was still coherent
>>96748471
To be fair to them, at least the game actually has combat. Supposedly the game was produced entirely to Paradox's specifications though how much of that was open to poor interpretation is up for debate. Like "make the game with a deep dialogue system" and they just decided to scrap all the RPG mechanics influencing dialogue in exchange for the "Xir will remember this"

>>96748456
>HtP mentioned Slashers

Wait, they did? Where?

>>96748248
>>96748415
YEAH, only real liberals allowed in /wodg/

>>96748481
>To be fair to them, at least the game actually has combat.
Here's your epic combat bro

>>96748495
More combat than is in either Machine for Pigs or their ocean game even if it isn't good combat. They're a solid B studio at most

How do Technocracy and Pentex get along?

>>96748574
Syndicate is sometimes said to be buddy buddy with Pentex.

>>96748574
They don't. Syndicate and Pentex are sometimes associated together like anon said, but it's usually depicted as the Syndicate lost control of a rogue division, and they're covering it up so the rest of the Technocracy doesn't find out.

>>96748324
>Although most versions of Hunter are actually pretty redeemable
Hunters Hunted is fine Reckoning, either version, is pretty meh.

>>96748324
You also start to shake when in a horror movie someone is killed or boobs appear? This type of manchildren mentality is why culture went to shit

>>96748456
What is Harry the Pottering? And why does it talk about Slashers, the undisputed greatest splat in CotD?

anyone ever tried any of the card games? I read the rules for the eternal struggle, they seem kind of interesting in the way that very early mtg cards were, but the rules seem a lot more convoluted. A big focus on politics. There seems to still be tournaments going on for it, too.

>>96748574

>How do the Weaver and the Wyrm get along?

Instead of sucking off the Technocracy, maybe we could suck on the Seers of the Throne?

>>96748892
they are too mid to remember.

>>96748324
>I don't want to ST certain type of content frankly
Then just don't allow it.

>>96748892
Who? genuine question.

>>96747714
So haight really was the worst of the worst huh? He really did deserve to be turned into an ashtray for all eternity

>>96748688
>VTES
There are videos on youtube explaining the rules better. I like the cardgame, the roleplaying aspect and characters from the lore is what I like. The game can become repetitive after a while, but you can build decks to throw some chaos into the mix.
>lots of politics
Yeah, many people like political decks, but metagame nowadays is turning to combat decks. At least around here in my country.
>tournaments
Lots of them happening indeed. I'm gonna join one in November. My playgroup try to get together weekly.
Also, I suggest to find a local group in your area. Go to VEKN prince list (i.e. people oversee the place they are "princes"), find someone in your city or closer to your city, send them an e-mail and go play.
>https://www.vekn.net/vampire-elder-kindred-network/prince-list
Have fun!

>>96747026
I wanted to start with a story module (let the streets run red), but it requires players to already know the setting somewhat. So I made one up myself, stealing the beginning from the old plot of VTMB2 - mass embrace. They are thinbloods; the Camarilla servitor uses them to find their sires in hostile territory.
But for preparation:
Read through the core rulebook completely a couple of times.
Watched youtube videos with tips for new STs (one of them suggested having a session 0, and it was very helpful).
Watched a couple of public plays that are available on the internet, just to gauge what the ST should do.
Read some articles on how to ST, essentially boiled down for me to describe the place where my PCs are, set the mood, and ask them, "What do you do?"
Found appropriate backgrounds and NPC portraits and put them in Foundry well ahead of the beginning of the game. For images, I used normal google and yandex image search and then used chatgpt or gimp to edit them. chatgpt is pretty good at converting day images into nighttime or adding a black van in the middle of the parking lot.
I noted everything that I needed down in Obsidian. For quick notes during a session, I use pen and paper and then transfer them into Obsidian.
Also having a vtm paradoxwiki open on the side was pretty useful at times for quick references. Gemini, chatgpt and others don't differentiate between editions and are often wrong about the rules -- don't recommend using them for reference.

>>96748084
You really think rona was their best?

>laughing rats.jpg

>>96748574
>>96748802

To extrapolate for the people who don't read books - the Technocracy sets up what they imagine to be well-functioning organs of bureaucracy, commerce, and research, which then experience subversion and corruption. The Weaver's minions set the webs; the Wyrm's slide down and insinuate themselves in them until they can't be dislodged.

>>96749179
>You really think rona was their best?
Given that AIDS came from someone clapping a proto-yeren and the bubonic plague is a non issue outside of mongolian tourists, yeah it was their best work in the last 50 years or so, even if the Kamazots have a better claim to the thing.

>>96749179
>To extrapolate for the people who don't read books - the Technocracy sets up what they imagine to be well-functioning organs of bureaucracy, commerce, and research, which then experience subversion and corruption. The Weaver's minions set the webs; the Wyrm's slide down and insinuate themselves in them until they can't be dislodged.
The Technocrats are meant to be the metaphorical Man in charge of modernity with all the technological horrors people can imagine. The problem is that, on the other hand, they often represent the entirety of human achievement, down to the individual bullet and pill.

>>96748991
Antagonist from Mage the Awakening, they act as the Demiurge keeping the world mundane.

>>96749273
No, that would be the Exarchs, the Seers are Mages who betray humanity on behalf of the Exarchs to maintain the Sleeping World.

>>96749273 proves >>96748907

>>96748991
They're the Technocracy, without the bullshit excuses and revisionism. Technocrasimps hate it when you bring them up.

>>96749207
>HIV
>From clapping chimps with SIV

No, far more likely from eating raw ape meat. Would have happened way more often.

>>96749384
You’ve never heard the phrase “spanking the monkey”, have you?

>>96748991
Sntagonists of Mage the Awakening. Not even Awakeningfags talk about them that much since they are lamer Nephandi.
>>96749005
Yep, if there is ranking in WoD for who actually deserves that fate, he is up there.

Bone Gnawer? I hardly know her!

>>96748892
I like the idea, but most of the example characters seem to be chud stereotypes. There's like a manosphere blogger, self-hating black, racist cop, stuff like that.

>>96749554

2/10

Can I cause consensual reality to perceive that I have a big donger

>>96749716
Ah so that's a Chronicles of Darkness thing in general and not just a Beast thing?
Glad I never picked up that setting.

>>96749821
Hunter the Vigil (both 1e and 2e) don't do that to my recollection, at least. Actually, most nWoD 1e books are actually a lot more even-toned in their equivalent 2e (compare and contrast Changeling, for instance) or anything made after the CofD rebrand like Deviants. Probably because 1e was made during the 2000s when culture was still fucking sane.

>>96748574
Technocracy doesn't even know Pentex exists, it's literally just a small portion of the syndicate that does and they remove any information about it

>>96749945
I get that angle on a meta level, I don't see a reason to care for it.

>>96750105
anyways Pentex is like 99.9999999% normal company with the rest being supernatural shit so I don't think the technocracy would even notice (especially since the spirit experts are often not even on earth). the only difference between Pentex and any other company is that Pentex will occasionally shove a malevolent spirit into their products

>>96749378
Bo hoo, people thought the tech mages were cool enough to play despite the original lore saying that they were literal killjoys. I don't see people praising when they apply the same logic is applied to the Sabbath.

>>96747462
It's crazy how much WW has affected modern Vampire tropes by being baltantly ripped off by Underworld and the Blade movies

>>96750117
While it's true that most high end companies are just as unethical as Pentex, they aren't summoning demons on the side.

>>96750126
They are just an example of what you need to do to write a vampire setting and they look way more influential when everyone more or less needs to make basically the same decisions.

>>96749821
Most CofD antagonists don't really care about mundane politics, usually they're eldritch beings, rivals of the same splat, or corrupt humans seeking immortality. I think Mage and Geist 2e are the only ones that care about human politics.

>>96750117
>anyways Pentex is like 99.9999999% normal company with the rest being supernatural shit
That's the shit that should keep you up at night, anon.

>>96750162
What keeps me up at night is the realization that if I were half as smart as my family told me I was, I would have never listened to any of their advice.

>>96750162
I am already an accomplished arsonist, pull your weight.

>>96750168
>if I were half as smart as my family told me I was
I would be in the military as a medical officer.

>>96750168
delete this

>>96750210
No, you deserve to remember and regret your shitty decision.

>>96750153
Nah, the Spirits have enough stakes on mortal society tor interfere often enough. The others are limited with their involvement for various reasons, like the fae needing to stay under the radar or how the owls target puppeteers.

>>96750168
Same.

>>96748892
>going from the unwittingly Weaver drones to the literal demon-worshipers too enslaved to realize the boot is never coming off of their faces
At least the Technocrats (foolishly, but still) believe they're doing good. The Seers don't even have an excuse.

>>96748495
Recall ass gameplay.

>>96750399
They don't need one. They don't care about baseline humanity and that's that.

>>96750168
In my defense, it wasn't just my parents, it was my whole damn social circle nudging me towards the inherently doomed pursuits.

>>96748501
>ocean game
Ocean Game? Where?

How do I get on the same wavelength as the Traditions to enjoy a game playing them?

>>96750416
Still Wakes the Deep their last game before Bloodlines 2.

>>96750428
>Still Wakes The Deep was made by the guys doing Bloodlines 2
HUH??

That game was actually good though, so how the fuck did we go from that to whatever the fuck is going on in Bloodlines 2?

>>96750439
Something about knowing and playing to the strengths of a studio rather than giving someone a shovel and asking them to paint a fence.

>>96749924
Nah, there's at least one compact based on HOAs so Vigil gets their fair share of bullshit.

>>96750423
Do a deep dive of any mystical tradition, crazy conspiracy, religion or superstition that catches your interest, or at least amuses you.

If there's absolutely nothing about the occult or the paranormal that remotely intrigues you and you're too enlightened to indulge in such silliness, then a Traditions game probably isn't for you.

>>96750572
Of to play a fundamentalist I go.

>>96750609
Have fun, what denomination of what religion are you thinking of?

>>96750439
>>96750444
Essentially the bloodlines 2 issues come from
>hardsuits labs incompetent so they can barely get a working game together since Paradox also keeps changing what they want
>paradox fires HSL and TCR say they can finish the game for cheap
>paradox agrees but do to investment exercises more control over the project
>TCR now making the game exactly to what Paradox wants but both groups fundamentally misunderstand IP
So you have originally the shell of an rpg, and then when that fails paradox demands the game get finished by studio that makes walking/atmospheric sims, and then they struggle on making good roleplay mechanics though they're present enough for paradox to say it's fine to ship.
Tldr
>everyone fucked up but fundamentally paradox misunderstands IP and studios and is banking on name recognition

>>96750641
If they nail the atmosphere, I won't refund it. My bar is that low nowadays

>>96750618
I was thinking either Amish or Fundamentalist Mormon, the first would be funny if I go full luddite and the second one is for a cult character.

>>96750820
Nah, refund it they won't give you that by the looks of it.

>>96750453
I'd need more context because I don't remember that one.

>>96750820
Your demoralized desperation to let them keep money for meeting a standard you wouldn't have years ago is part of what makes things worse.

>>96750904
Let me check the codex. Brb

>>96750820
This is how the Technocracy wins…

>>96750904
>>96750949
Night Watch is a faction but they aren't a HOA by default.

>>96750820
If the atmosphere you want is dark Christmas at least the open world provides that. The actual game doesn't look nearly as Gothic

>>96750950
They have won centuries ago.

>>96750950
Blame the sleepers for lowering their standards

>>96750861
The issue with going full Amish is a lot of the prohibitive beliefs and practises that they have, but you could potentially have a lot of fun with it, if you're willing to play around the pacifism, the aversion to technology and social isolationism. You'll need to do your research first, that's for sure.

>>96750962
>>96750453
>Night Watch
Considering the HOA bit, I was almost thinking Barrett Commission from the same book, the bureaucrat and business Hunters who realized the supernatural was worming its way in. Night Watch leans more on being street gangs and vigilantes.
In either case though, the point was on both groups being foils to each other, opposite financial ends but equally victimized by being the stereotypical "go-to" prey of vampires or other creatures - either for influence or because no one will miss a ghetto nig going missing. There weren't really distracting comparisons to [contemporary badwrongthing] as the bad guys example like in post-2010. They were rich guys/hoodlums, but the book focused on the fact they're Hunters trying to do something.

>>96751080
Amish have significantly backtracked on a lot of those in recent years. I see them all the time now operating heavy construction equipment, driving, and employing child labor outside of their farms and whatnot.

>>96751181
But if you're playing an Awakened Amish, you're probably going to want to double-down on the fundamentalism rather than go for the more liberal sort, as they likely lack the earnest dedication to their beliefs that leads to Awakening.

>>96751181
Because what's too modern for them is mainly a matter of what they can brothered to live without. Sure, a lot of their stuff still made in a similar way to the 1800s but there's a limit of how much they can isolate themselves and live.

>>96751218
Or they genuinely believe in something else that wouldn't make them proper Amish.

>>96751238
In which case, you'll need to find another paradigm to work with if the Amish aspect is just going to be a cosmetic thing.

>>96750168
This is the most WoD-appropriate line in the entire thread.

>>96750861
NTA but strict adherence to a pre-existing belief system isn't typically the sort of thing that spurs on an awakening, when a sleeper awakens it's usually representative of some kind of revelation that brings a deeper understanding of the universe. Now that's not to say you can't make a christian fundamentalist mage but being a mage implies beliefs and experiences that most fundamentalist groups would decry as heresy, perhaps your character is part of a fringe messianic or revelatory cult, maybe they believe they've been contacted by god or his angels to act out his will.

>>96750168
include me in the screenshot

>>96751581
Kill yourself.

>>96749716
Probably because Seers are supposed to be the worst of the worst, psychopaths, con men, and so on who, on connecting to a tower and regaining their birthright of access to true magic, chose to side with the Exarchs instead and help them suppress the magic of the world. Usually in exchange for wealth and power.

So, you know, exactly like those chuds.

>>96751480
You have a very poor understanding of Christian fundamentalism

>>96750641
Keeping in mind that Paradox could have done it in-house but it's a completely different style of game than what they know how to make.

>>96750861
>full luddite
Luddites weren't anti-technology, they were opposed to the way capitalists were using the machines to have children work in dangerous factories instead of improving the productivity of the skilled workers they were replacing.

And the capitalists used their wealth to get the government to protect their assets, including making sabotaging the machines in protest a capital offense.

>>96751697
I'm not saying chuds are good guys, but they're not really intimidating villains. I think Seers should have an aesthetic more like Wolfram and Hart from Angel.

>>96751233
"Dependence" and "keeping busy" are the two big factors. Electricity makes them too dependent on outside services, while a gas-powered miter saw can be refueled from lots of sources. The Amish I'm personally familiar with in Wisconsin use gas-retrofit tools, and have a cabinet-making shop with industrial equipment retrofit to run off of a gas-powered motor running a shaft for belt-drives in a trench in the floor. And will use power tools a non-Amish customer provides if they're working on something at their place.

>>96751709
What's the issue? If I'm mistaken about something I'd be happy to be corrected

>>96751480
Yeah, I considered mixing both as an excuse to have a "proper" harem in a isolated farm.

>>96751722
>Paradox could have done it in house
Yeah, they could have. but they chose to make two studios that ALSO made completely different styles of games (remasters, ports, and walking sims). It feels like Paradox had a very loose understanding of what they wanted from the beginning until they were forced to just take what they could get and stop wasting money

>>96751722
Ironic, I have to say, that Paradox owns Streum-on who are arguably more experienced in this type of game as well (E.V.E., Space Hulk, Necromunda)

>>96752268
Why didn't they hire that studio then? Too cheap to want to pay them?

>>96752268
Not anymore. All recent paradox games bombed and they have lost more than 20 millions

>>96752338
20 millions rupees is like what $500?

>>96752338
>>96752293
I just saw that Streum On was independent, my bad. I can only assume that perhaps they either had a bad experience publishing E.Y.E. or that HSL was hand recommended by the writer for 2 originally and that TCR was offered for cheap by their owner. Anyway it seems they produced an E.Y.E. prequel recently so perhaps they were busy

>>96752380
>HSL was hand recommended by the writer for 2 originally
What the fuck for? They never made anything of note. Was it nepotism?

>>96752417
I think the writer was friends with some execs at HSL and HSL was willing to help provide the pitch for the game to paradox. We all know how that turned out though

>>96752380
Know who Paradox did own until 2024, though? Harebrained Schemes.

>>96752673
>paradox owned an actual CRPG studio and never put them to work on their proprietary IP
That's rather insane. I think we all knew they were fucking retarded with the IP but this really puts it into perspective

>>96752345
they have lost more than 20 million dollars because of their stupid decisions

>mfw Paradox had not one but two studios they could have tapped to make at the very least a passable Bloodlines game
>they passed those studios over because ???
How is it possible to be so fucking stupid?

>>96752838
Listen. Paint by number games that are incest sims tend to be very complex and convoluted that demand a lot of time, attention, and money to spit out the quality dlc their flagship is known for every blue moon. As such Paradox missed the objective entirely by not making a game solely about the Family Reunion. That wouldn't be a dating sim, we swear.

>>96752838
Don't you get how the games industry works now? It's not about getting people who know what they're doing to make a game correctly, it's about getting the people with the right thoughts a gig to live off of.

>>96752838
>Why are people behind viday retarded?
That's like asking how GW is still in business despite making every single fucking mistake they could along the way.

>>96753059
Warhammer is huge. I know paradox is held afloat because of their popular map painting games

>>96751291
The Amish thing could just be an origin story and explanation for a particular sphere spread.

>>96751754
I get that the group name became an insult despite their very reasonable demands. I'm just using the colloquial meaning.

>>96753064
They also have Eve online or some other cash cow.

>>96752838
Because they actually care about the games they give those studios, bloodlines is a cheap gamble to see if they can cash in on nostalgia.

>>96752838
>How is it possible to be so fucking stupid?
I look myself in the mirror and ask myself that every day.

>>96752838
The insulted the Syndicate and now they're suffering the consequences

>>96752417
>Was it nepotism?
>>96753045
Nepotism and DEI. HSL was a DEI hive that threw out all the right jargon words for the corpos to eat it up in the late 2010s/early 2020s.

who should own the WoD ip?

>>96753586
Me

>>96753586
/wodg/ duh

>>96753586
The ones who own it already: the magic men.

>>96753586
My dick.

>>96753586
Me (actually us because I'm just a figment of your imagination)

>>96753586
Memento Mori Studios, or a new White Wolf with some new kids on the block.

>>96753586
(You)

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>>96753768
>>96753768
>>96753768

>>96753713
>Memento Mori Studios
huh?

>>96753586
Give it back to Onyx Path, the original creators.