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>>96711289

>What is /awg/?
A thread to talk about minis and games which fall between the cracks, or peoples' homebrew wargames.
The >>>/tg/hwg thread doesn't entertain fantasy (for good reason) and the other threads are locked to more specific games.
This thread isn't tied to a game, a publisher, or a genre, let's just talk about fun wargames. Any scale, any company, any miniatures.

>Examples of games that qualify.
A Song of Ice and Fire, Argatoria, Batman Miniature Game, Carnevale, Conquest: The Last Argument of Kings,
Deadzone, Dropfleet and Dropzone Commander, Freebooter's Fate, Frostgrave, Gaslands, Judge Dredd, HeroClix,
Kings of War, Maelstrom's Edge, Malifaux, Marvel Crisis Protocol, Masters of the Universe: Battleground, Moonstone,
Oathmark, OnePageRules, RelicBlade, Rumbleslam, Stargrave, Sludge, Urban War, Void, Warcaster, Warmachine, Xenotactics, Xenos Rampant...
...and anything else that doesn't necessarily have a dedicated thread.

>Examples of companies providing rules and/or miniatures for alternative wargames.
Archon Studio, Atomic Mass Games, Black Site Studios, CMON, Mantic, North Star Military Figures,
OnePageRules, Osprey, Para Bellum, Seb Games, Spellcrow, TTCombat, Victrix, Wargames Atlantic, Warlord Games...
...and many other publishers.

>Places to get minis; Updates to the minis list are welcome.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D2DbNJ2mYAUxh5P9Pq9NZqS5tXHGn0i2JhZchEwbA2I/edit
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/373197.page

>Novice Troves, meant to serve as a sampler of available systems. Check out the Share Thread for up-to-date troves.
https://pastebin.com/MjtsC8AX
https://mega.nz/#F!zSYW0I4a!vXh8-UPi_tWXpJES_-p4zg

>Hobby Challenge theme for October
https://strawpoll.com/GPgVYBPYEna/results

>thread question: are you ever paralyzed by choice when it comes to which game to play/project to start with /awg/ games?

First
>are you ever paralyzed by choice when it comes to which game to play/project to start with /awg/ games?
No. I survive more with lack of time to do hasn't did than luck of decision making

>>96745548 (OP)

>TQ

Yeah, I've got a lot of ideas for different armies and projects, forces that I'd like to expand and then there are games that are actually played.
I'm more into fantasy and historical stuff, but I've been playing Xenos rampant quite a bit with my son, lately we've been making terrain too. So I think I'll buy a box of stargrave cyborgs next month.

What have you been working on lately? I hope I'll be able to finish these sipahi by the end of this week.

>>96745548 (OP)
>are you ever paralyzed by choice when it comes to which game to play/project to start with /awg/ games?
No I always have a plethora of choices and I am always working on probably at least two different things at once.
Currently I'm working on stuff for Scale Mail

>>96745548 (OP)
>are you ever paralyzed by choice when it comes to which game to play/project to start with /awg/ games?
Nope, I play what I want.
>Picrel
Still can't believe Warlord Games shelved the Judge Dredd miniatures game, it was so fucking fun.

>>96745548 (OP)
really interested in some malifaux minis for kitbashing bits

>TQ

My worst trait is finishing something 98% not 100% and never touching it again

Not major repaints but like basing sizes, basing colours, that kind of thing

Anyone know any good sleazy looking sci-fi merchant 28mm miniatures? Kinda in the vein of Cyrano Jones or Harry Mudd

>>96746788
Colony 87 might have something

I fucking hate listbuilding. Part of the reason I love a lot of historicals if that you can grab a bunch of you dudes and fight without thinking about points and balance and shit. You can gauge an armies strength just by looking at it, not using some stupid points system.

I just looked at Barons War because I was looking for a system to play Medieval skirmishers and I can use Warhost (same rules) for fantasy skirmishes. Upon reading the rulebook I see some gay faggot listbuilding where you are buying abilities/perks, equipment etc. for your band like it's a game of Warhammer. DROPPED

>>96747013
Can't you just decide to not use the points if it makes you angry?

>>96747013
Nice blog post anon, really appreciated it.

>>96747125
No, even without the point I still have to take the time to build a fucking list.

>>96747212
Couldn't you just sit down for a couple hours one day to arbitrarily decide what abilities/equipment your models use, write them on notecards, and staple them to your forehead?

>>96747013
this is an invented problem. points systems are a tool for balancing asymmetric forces. if they're not useful to you... don't use them. wargamers have been doing this for generations.

>>96745548 (OP)
>TQ
bruh I am choice paralyze by just having to decide about painting the helmets the same color as the uniform or simply metallic

Got in a game of Russia-Ukraine war tonight

>>96746277
Do it. See if you can't find the Fated kits. IDK if they still sell them, but they had modular modules.

>>96747212
Yeah but you've already spent more time in this thread bitching about building lists then it would take to build a list.
Why don't you just be cancer and have chat GPT generate a list for you

I know we have our own containment thread now, but I'm a gentleman of the old school, and I want to post elves in /awg/ where no-one will see them.
>>96747644
What rules?

>>96748581
I like the monopod and the prone guy, could use a little bit more work on the painting though

I got to teach The Silver Bayonet this past weekend. Fuck necromancy and FUCK The French.

>>96749031
FROGGED

New Oathmark Human Heavy Infantry

>>96749581
I like them. A shame not all helmets are enclosed, but there seem to be a lot of them regardless.

>>96749581
>>96749584
Finally, been waiting for ages for these.

>>96749626
You get 15-20 heads a sprue for Oathmark infantry boxes, so you might be able to. It makes sense for first look photos to show off the full range for their photos.

>>96749647
Yeah of course they have to show all the options. But if my memory serves right, the heavy orcs and elves did not come with full helmets for all minis. But from the pics it seems to be enough for the majority.
I really like the armour design for them. (Shields get swapped out tho)

>>96749581
>>96749584

Love the helmets and the weapon options not fully sold on the armor. Shields can be easily swapped.

Is the UK non-GW wargaming scene mostly middle class?

It's hard to tell.

>>96749954
Who else should it be? Wargaming (including GW) is and always was a middle class hobby.

>>96749581
Is it me or they have better body proportions than their basic infantry = no duck legs?

>>96747739
Nice, I'll check on them.

Looks like the 40kuck metagaming crowd has discovered Konflickt 47, which I suppose is exactly what Warlord was hoping for when they moved away from the Alt History stuff to straight goofy sci-fi shit

>>96751645
yuck

It's like Mantic turning KoW basically into Warmahordes with 4 inch square bases

>>96751645

To be charitable, you need some competitive players to sniff out broken and obnoxious combos, but outside of that they really should be shunned and looked down.

I'm afraid that my local group might fracture soon. The OnePageRules 3.5 beta has been a clusterfuck and enthusiasm seems to be teetering on the edge with my group. Tough times ahead.
>>96746300
It always takes me like 6 months after finishing a model before I paint and flock the base. It's weird because that used to be my favorite part, the feeling of the finishing touches, but these days I'm just too addicted to highlighting and then don't bother with anything after that until much later

>>96752300
Just play the last edition you all enjoyed? Seems like a super easy fix

>>96752300
>The OnePageRules 3.5 beta has been a clusterfuck and enthusiasm seems to be teetering on the edge with my group.
Why what happened?

>>96752429

Basically the monkeys paw curled and the OPR team added a bunch of faction rules that were simultaneously convoluted, poorly thought out and unbalanced.
They claimed they had worked on them for a year or so, but their manner of working was that of a university student that "works" on an assignment and returns it fifteen minutes before the deadline. It is in a state of flux due to subscriber feedback. To their credit the OPR team is willing to make quick changes on the fly, but I think the update was just poorly thought out and executed. A particular bugbear of mine are inconsistent naming conventions. At the moment there are basically variations of the old rending rule. For those who do not know, what it meant was that on a roll of 6, the hit would ignore regeneration and count as ap-4, basically punching through most armour. Now we have variations of this rule where sixes to hit have different ap values. I think that it's pretty good idea, but all of the rule variants have different names, which increases clutter and the mental load of having to memorize all the new keywords etc.

>>96748765
I blame anything wrong in this picture on my potato-ass camera. However if you have any specific criticism I will entertain it.
>>96749031
I didn't know that had supernatural shit in it. Looks good, the hell with stacking wound tokens next to the mini though

>>96752847
I'm glad I kept my old rules downloads now.

>>96752379
That's my perspective but a lot of these guys are ex-GW players and still of the mindset that latest is the only official version of whatever
OPR does make it a bit complicated because the app will only support latest version so you have to manually do math to build armies from old versions, or else use custom army books through the app. Neither of which is hard but some of these players are "path of least resistance" kinda dudes which is annoying for me but nothing I can force them to change.
I'm going to try to push them into accepting the custom book workaround but meanwhile morale is low...

>>96753362
Lmao the woes of playing with GW shitters. "Ex-GW player" is always a red flag, just like dating a woman who was previous in an abusive relationship. Even though they have escaped the situation the trauma persists and affects the way they behave.
I'm glad I mostly play with family members, dad , brothers, a few non-wargaming family friends that just borrow some minis when it's game night. The only GW drone in my family is my oldest brother, he has been a 40k shitter since we were teens, and he simply doesn't know how to turn it off when we play /awg/ and /hwg/ games

>>96753739

I'm doing my part by not playing GW games with my son.

>>96753362
Might be a viable opportunity to get some of them to try other /awg/ that are further away from GW. Its baby steps but Xenos Rampant is an alright gateway game.

>>96751645
They were already making inroads to doing this in Bolt Action. At home I understand people are going to use what they have but when people are asking "is this Belgian list VIABLE?" I wanna scream lol.

>>96751737
Also kind of disappointing. I'm not sure about the Oriental Gnolls.

>>96753739
I think lots of people get into wargaming via Warhammer, but I do think it's weird when people who are really into GW can't conceptualise anything else.

So Hudson Adams is really Tony Reidy. An interesting read, did anyone here participate in that Kickstarter?

https://wargamesatlantic.com/blogs/news/a-note-from-the-founder-of-wargames-atlantic

>>96756693
>doing business with the Chinese
Honestly what was he expecting?

>>96756693
Quite a twist, lol. I usually try to tune out industry meta and hate how people talk about company drama like team sports, it zaps my hobby mojo for some reason. I thought you were being clever when you said so Hudson is really Tony lol

>>96756710
I think every person involved with manufacturing has more than one bad China story, but you can find contractors who are above board and do a good job. It's waste that I hate, and if I pay for a premium product, I want at least some local guys to get a job out of it.

>>96756771
>I think every person involved with manufacturing has more than one bad China story
Fraud is only a misdemeanor in Chynar.

>>96756693
Never heard of that guy, but being naive in china is never ending well. Might explain his reluctant stance with the Damned crowdfunding campaign tho.

>>96745548 (OP)
How's Conquest TLAoK doing these days? The range seems to have fleshed out quite a bit since I last checked it out, it's really come a long way. I'm not sold on some of the design choices but it's great that they seem to have their own aesthetic.

>>96753362
>>96753739
People running away from GW only to make the same mistakes when playing a game literally designed to get you away from GW is such a wild thing. I'm lucky my OPR playgroup is reasonable and after playing one game of v3.5 everyone concluded we are perfectly happy with v3.4 and have no reason nor will to "upgrade" unless 3.5 is fully play-tested and fine-tuned.
We have all the current armybooks downloaded so there is no need for us to stick with the official app anyway.

>>96757500
In my experience GW-drones are often willing to play older editions of their games. Figures, since the new editions are such garbage.

>>96757549
You are a rare case then, since the majority of people who deal with GW players or are GW players themselves complain that GW crowd sticks to the latest edition only no matter the game.

I'm abit late to the party since the guy who ran Otherworld retired and sold his catalog off to Crooked Dice now I guess. But I have a couple of OW minis on my painting desk now and was looking at the Skirmish game again. Reading the book I noticed that it makes note of downloadable PDF files for their Tokens and Adventure Cards from their webpage. I've been through archive.org and the old Otherworld page only has a Rooster Sheet apparently - at least as far back as the archive goes.

Does anybody have those files? I don't think I'll be able to buy them anymore so I hoped I could at least find the files.

>>96757635
Richard's email is otherworld@madasafish.com if you can't get them elsewhere

>>96757612
Says who?

>>96756693
I fucking knew it. This just reinforced my dislike of WGA.

>>96756693
Wait so you're telling me we have a resident WGA hater polluting nearly every single thread but he had no clues about this? And other forums knew?? Really feels like we're the bottom of the barrel.

>>96757972
Our haters are fake grogs
Notice the threads have become a lot nicer lately?
Probably a medication change.
Btw I got the Late Romans. They are fine. Face was blurred in the edit. Imagine making that when you could paint minis.

>>96757911
Chinese hands manufactured this post.

>>96757972
I can remember that years ago people brought up the connection between the dead WGF and now WGA, but never thought much about it. But given that Defiance games had a set of alien bugs called "Hudsons Bugs", the signs were there.

>>96756693
The only thing I really have to say is that he should kept the stacking lugs on the sprues; those were really handy.

>>96758023
>kickstarter gets funded
>'it wasn't my fault, they just gave me the money and control after it got funded!'
>instead of going to kickstarter and asking to refund all the backers, wastes it on on his personal debts and declares bankruptcy
Even if we believe 100% of what he's saying, he still looks terrible.

Someone go and ask if the refund is adjusted for inflation.

>>96757549
definitely not. the old edition revival groups are usually people who haven't been involved with active GW games for decades. it takes a long, long time for a GW customer to rehabilitate in to a normal wargamer.

>>96757737
Literally everyone, leave your bubble once in a while.

>>96758844
Translation:
>I made it up

>>96757188
It seems to be doing well. They are releasing their 10th faction, finally getting the Weavers into the game.

The rules are in a weird spot, as each new army plays further and further with what the rules can do. So you have most of the original armies that play pretty standard, then you have ones like City States, Sorcerer Kings, and W'adrhun, that has some pretty stand out army rules, and then you have Yoroni and Weavers, which are just a whole ball of special rules. I personally don't think that's bad, but it can cause some pit-traps for people getting into the game.

>>96756693
Good for him to come clear with his past.
And i guess it explains a couple of things, like why WGF went under, and why despite that, the WW2 sets and the Dreamforge stuff was still available for a few more years, and really cheap too at that.
It also explains why Dreamforge went for WGA for remaking their Eisenkern stuff.

But really this >>96758408
Probably it would have been too obvious. But those easy to stack sprues were awesome.

>>96758844
Why the fuck would i want to leave my bubble of comfy hobbyists Anon?
Leaving your bubble is what makes you a miserable cunt, because you get in contact with all those losers, autists and other retards. Nope, i play with my 4 guys and my wife i know from highschool and i'm good.

>>96759180
Nooo, you have to stalk randos and get upset when they like things you don't!

>>96759180
>Retard takes a post literally and misses both point and context
Color me surprised.

>>96756693
Has a kickstarter even been refunded like this?

>>96756693
Wait the fucker is making them in china? Why the fuck did I get the impression it was made in the US.
Did they ever mention that some point or I'm just making shit up?

>>96759244
>I'm just making shit up
WGA literally started thanks to manufacturing in China.

>>96759244

They moved production to the US from China, during Covid.
That wasn't really a secret, and i'm sure you can find all sorts of news regarding to that move on their website.

>>96759244
Their current production is done in both the US and the UK with them shipping the molds back and forth so Americans can buy US-made and everyone else can buy UK-made to avoid tariffs.

>>96758009
Post the real face then. You won't.

>>96759244
He did, like, the first year of production for WGA in China, then almost immediately moved the molds to the US after COVID turned global shipping and Chinese production into a gigantic pain in the ass. The fact that he'd previously been burned by Chinese duplicity probably didn't encourage him to maintain that link.

In the last year, he's also added a second factory in Britain, because Trump Tariffs were going to shank his international sales.

Oh cool a new KoW edition? A new army too?
>gee dubs prices for KoW quality
Lol okay see you at 5th edition if Britain still exists by then.

>>96759548
>>96758009
This channel is releasing high quality reviews of Victrix, Northstar and WGA sprues in a very high rate:
https://www.youtube.com/@We_Wargame/videos

Its only a matter of time until he does a video for the Late Romans, and i'm sure the question about the faces will be answered there.

>>96759727
>>gee dubs prices for KoW quality
Why do people lie about something that can be verified and proven wrong easily? Are we Twitter now, with 97% of posts being generated by bots only to be responded by bots?

>>96759598
This guy needs to fuck off. He's pure bad juju and will bring down the hobby with him.

>Okay-ish first business venture
>Get scammed by China
>Long ass hiatus to pay off debts
>Finaly back in the game
>Instant cockblock by Covid
>Bring back production home
>Tariffed™

From what I heard, WGA still tool all the moulds in China but then do the moulding in UK/US. They make it sound like its produced locally when its still cheap china moulds

>>96759900
>Are we Twitter now, with 97% of posts being generated by bots only to be responded by bots?
Yes.

>>96759900
>>96760058
2 mantic points have been deposited into your mantic games account.

>>96759214
What's the context?

>>96760066
I accept your concession.

>>96759900
the price thing though is weird.

Mantic used to be THE cheap alternative. Now it's 75 fucking dollar for two passable artillery pieces and 2 pairs of identical crew members.

The fact that the're cheaper than GW just means GW is out of the realm of purchases I will ever make

>>96757972
>>96758009
>wga defence force in full effect
Many anons dislike wga. This is just more fuel.

>>96748581
>What rules
Asymmetric Warfare

>>96760312
>Now it's 75 fucking dollar for two passable artillery pieces and 2 pairs of identical crew members
Are we talking about KoW or one of the pump-and-dump no-one-cares systems?

>>96752429
The beta is painstakingly, excruciatingly, crawling towards something half-decent.
The best part about OPR is that it’s a very simple breakdown of a well-known system all done by a few dudes. The worst part of OPR is that it’s a very simple breakdown of a well-known system all done by a few dudes.

I’ve been pretty involved and vocal in the beta. Credit where due, the creator is genuinely making (some) changes that the community clearly want. He also refuses to implement others depending on his (increasingly salty) mood. He recently dropped a response about how it’s all adults playing with toys. Still, he’s wading through the cesspit that is G*mer Discord to make something fun. The game is just too big not to have semi-pro play testing before major releases. 3.5 is feeling the growing pains of a garage startup.

I’m on a gnome kick right now. Are there any gnome wargames? And what company makes the best gnome miniatures that would be suitable for wargames specifically? And no I don’t want dwarves or halflings. I want gnomes.

>>96760342
It's honestly absurd how some autists on /tg/ go to such lengths to defend the honor of their favorite company lmfao. WGADF is somehow even gayer than the Games Workshop Defense Force

Wargames Atlantic is good for the hobby.

>>96760389
KoW

These guys
https://www.manticgames.com/kings-of-war/xirkaali/war-engines/?wmc-currency=USD

>>96760407
I just got this beautiful 14" gnome with assault frog sculpt from the hardware store, under ten fucking dollars if you can believe it

>>96760424
Forgot the image in my rabid excitement

>>96760424
Shitposting aside garden gnome scale wargaming would be sick. It would be like those giant chessboards rich people have in their lawns.

>>96760407
Northumbrian does a bunch of gnomes. Die Hard also has some Gnome types. I'm thinking red cap here.
But if you just want regular dnd gnomes then just check out the usual suspects. Reaper probably has a ton.

>>96760419
that is truly unfathomable. I genuinely cannot believe someone would buy that. The very fact that their new poster boys for the edition are fish people and chinese dog people stretched my suspension of belief enough, but this has totally convinced me that Mantic is some kind of money laundering front

>>96760418
>churning out low effort slop is good for the hobby
If the goal is attracting more low effort normies, sure. That's not what I prefer, however. Quality is always better than quantity. Was Warhammer 40k improved when they Marvel™ized it to appeal to a mass market?

>>96759598
Never understood the panics regarding the tariffs.
My country was "affected" by said tariffs and exports have never been better.
It was literally a nothing burger, like every other time Trump has done something it has been a nothing burger that only affects people that where doing illegal shit on the first place.
Since we are not doing illegal shit there was no problem for us.

>>96760483
But anon.... ORANGE MAN BAD

>>96760483
>this entire post
Are you... you know...?

>>96760444
Anon these are fantastic. This is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you.

>>96760407
Warp Miniatures has an entire WFB Goblin proxy army worth of Gnomes in digital and print on demand.

They are absolutely charming, like all Warp releases.

>>96760472
By themselves they are a c tier manufacturer that sometimes produce b tier boxes but it’s great to have a bunch of wga pieces for kit bashing into other better miniature manufacturer parts. I feel the same about frostgrave. Both make my hobby experience more enjoyable by giving me options. That’s not to say I don’t wish they were better, just that I’m glad they exist.

>>96760516
Ummm HELLO??? Is this the CUTE DEPARTMENT?!!!

What paint should I use for a ghostly green glow? The glow in the dark paint I got with this old ghost ship is dead.

>>96760483
Just like everyone shit themselves about him crashing the stock market. I rode it out and made all the money Iost back plus a hefty sum ontop of it.
I made more money with Trumps first year then during all of the entirety of the Biden administration.

>>96745548 (OP)
Hello there, and apologies for the intrusion. I don't play wargames but ended up making one due to an extended recurring joke in a roleplaying campaign. As such, I'm making it from a pretty limited amount of references and want to know how it looks to people. I also posted this in the game design thread, but OP post says homehrews are fine.

Things to state off the bat: this is Duckhammer, so models are assumed to fly and swim (moreso the former though due to ease in mapmaking). In addition, the game uses d12s specifically due to how i decided to handle the math for the morale rolls. Im also mainly looking for thoughts on the army play rules, since the campaign rules are more thought of as an afterthought (as one person said, would it be a wargame if it didnt have ham-fisted campaign rules noone uses?)

Thank you for your time and consideration

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12TMaeOTc5ZG52yBlgEy5YrhgRg0rZYNSZc-mklj7xRk/edit?usp=drivesdk

I don't mind Wargames Atlantic, I've got the odd sprue of theirs, and they fill a niche, not to mention how prolific they are.

I've actually got a fair chunk of Mantic stuff and I grow increasingly weary of them. Seems that Ronnie is doomed to repeat his experience of being a GW executive.

Very ambivalent on Warlord, own two Antares armies. Bolt Action and K47 also seem to want to indulge in the nu40k formula.

Love North Star, simple as. Even if the Stargrave plastics are actually kind of disappointing to the point I've not bought any, and in some ways I'd rather have 3 different crazy kits than getting Cultists three times.

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

>>96760407
Wars of Ozz has Nomes. They're not quite a complete faction since they don't have cavalry or a second kind of artillery to represent whichever of light or heavy this isn't, but there are mercenaries that can fill those roles.

>>96760516
Wait. Wait a minute.
You know when I saw this in the show I thought it was a reference to Clive Barker's Book of Blood or something, so seeing this become the thing that is refernced is kind of funny.

>>96760722
>Even if the Stargrave plastics are actually kind of disappointing to the point I've not bought any
I know exactly what you mean. But then I saw a couple of conversions like this and realized that if you throw in a couple of extra bucks for some Helmets and shoulderpads or even some of the more interesting arm replacemnts from places like Anvil or any other company that makes IG style conversion parts you could easily get 3-4 different warbands out of one box. 5 might be too little for Stargrave, but it's perfect for Rogue Stars or Corp Sec for sci-fi RPGs etc.

>>96760656
If you don’t mind being a lazy speedpaintshillposter like me
>prime with vallejo primer German green brown via airbrush
>light dry brush vallejo game color pale flesh
>speedpaint orc skin over everything
>even lighter application of dry brush vallejo game color pale flesh for raised areas
>hit recesses with speedpaint absolution green
I’m a shit tier painter but I was happy with the coloring. It’s not 1:1 with your picture though. If that’s what you’re looking for I don’t have that

>>96760444
I wanted to post them too. Still waiting for pic rel to be in stock.
Been thinking of making a goblin vs gnome or halfling warband for some skirmish game. The latter could be a WGA box, the goblins too or Oathmark.

HAHAHAHAHA Hudson Adams haters have been vindicated yet again.

>runs several ponzi schemes, stealing from backers for years
>uses a secret alias like a sleazy Jew
>this alias gains a reputation for being one of the slimiest swindlers in the Wargaming industry
>spends his days on Facebook calling you a Nazi and ranting about Orange Man Bad
>finally gets outted that the notorious Tony Reidy and the TDS Hudson Adams are one and the same
>Hudson Adams goes into damage control mode and "confesses" and claims he's going to make everything right, and refund his "debt" (money he stole from (You)).
>it's going to be paid out in WGA store credit

WGA defense force on suicide watch

>>96760770
Yeah I'm not Kev Dallimore's usually historical style of painting triads really is the best way to market them either. Take the box Automatons compared to this one by another guy

>>96760770
Some bit sellers do deals where you get a mix of sprues from the Stargrave boxes you want for a small markup without needing whole boxes. Mercs is good to give Troopers a wider variety of weapons.

>>96760897
Anon as much as it pains me to say, I’m pretty sure they aren’t going to restock I think it’s sold out for good. Which sucks because you can’t even find them from the overpriced secondhand market.

>>96760312
I think they blamed tariffs. At this point there's no point in competing in price against STLs. KoW has been an STL game ever since 3D printers got good anyways, even meme sculpts like >>96760516 are better and more affordable than what Mantic's output.

While I don't like these sculpts I find it hilarious that the humans are the ones wearing dog collars in the Mongolian dog army.

>>96760914
Never trust a man that conduct his business under a fake name. Nothing moral ever occurs in secrecy

>>96760966
Northumbrian Tin Soldier have done this weird thing of pivoting from "typical UK small artsy miniatures company" to "American-style LGS posting about the next Lorcana tournament and when the new GW fomo boxes are on presale"

I don't think I've really seen that before.

>>96760722
Yep, I pretty much agree with you on all those points. Loved how scrappy and cheap Mantic were but they're starting to seem more and more corporate.

I think I'm probably more pro-WGA than you, I have a lot of their Death Fields stuff. Love me some Quar as well. Haven't bothered with any of their other stuff so can't vouch for it.

>>96760770

Stargrave troopers is a great box, have two of them and I've thought of buying a third. Great selection of weapons and a ton of extra bits. But I'll buy the cyborgs first so that I'll have some berserk infantry, I've used eisenkern stormtroopers as heavy infantry.

>>96745830
Arabs.

>>96760312
>>96760969
>tariffs
I'm in the UK and the GBP price is listed as £50 (approximately $67.00, so not a huge saving). I think they're just retarded.

>>96760969
The american tariffs shouldn't affect a british company selling me stuff in Canada though, altough I'm just a guy who wants to add more and more artillery to his dwarf collection, WTF do I know.

good point about the STLs, I had not thought about it, and it's true that Mantic has started selling their own files.
Altough nothing beats Plastic kits, and a cheap double artilerry plastic kit would sell really well, I think.

>>96760969
>At this point there's no point in competing in price against STLs
so if they're not competing in price against STLs, and not competing in quality against GW/Parabellum/WGA/etc, what ARE they competing in? their unique and incredible setting that has captured so many hearts and minds?

I came here to discuss the WGA reveal but it seems the only person discussing it is that one weird guy with a massive chip on his shoulder.

Oh well. Anyone want to talk about Konflikt 47? The general died and hasn't come back as far as I can tell.

>>96756693
>I'm not an asshole, I just got betrayed by the Chinese Mafia!!!
Typical libtard making up retarded excuses to avoid all accountability. Even if his absurd story were true, it just shows he's a low IQ buffoon

>>96761045
there's a whole thread about that.
here >>96757654

>>96760998
Bizarre. Why do niche companies always try to abandon their niche?

>>96756693
Cool, now bring back the stacking frames and exposed booty cheeks Amazons.

The Uk government gutted it's oil and gas industry and enforced every business to pay for carbon capture while also asking for more money to house stabby foreigners in 4 star hotels and this is the result.

>>96761073
Money. Though I think if Northumbrian Tin Soldier had carried on churning out whimsical stuff at a greater rate, they'd be as successful as Warp Miniatures seems to be (he went to school with one of my best friends)

It might be a geographic isolation thing in the North East away from the Lead Belt, as Midlam Miniatures, whilst more focused on their own miniatures, have a quite generic LGS as their shop too

>>96761113
Grim. I'm glad I got a 3D printer as it only gets more useful as all the companies I keep up with start going with retarded prices.

Also I find it ironic that they got Joshua Reynolds, the End Times writer, to write the new KoW lore.

>>96761113
Why would they paint the bases for their sea animal swarms in rocky grey and not like a sandy beach?

Right lads I've got a big box of cheap shite in the post. These were £2.50 because the box is damaged. No idea about the game but I liked the look of the middle two miniatures.

>>96761113
I used to defend mantic occasionally because I've liked some of their releases but the ones they've been coming out of lately are shockingly awful

>>96760500
No I do not know.

>>96749581
They kinda fuck.
Might get a box for my "generic mercs I can use in scenarios or to bolster units" force.

>>96761171
Nice. Leaning towards 32mm but it won't matter for the beefcake.

>>96756693
That was quite a read for me.

I had issues withTony Ready but so far have only had good interactions with WGA. Reading the announcement, at first I was fairly positive.

But then I noticed it was a little vague on details on what exactly happened with the Chinese investor and thought he might be covering something.

However, his decision to unmask himself (when there was no need to) and to refund all the Defiance Games kickstarter backers is something that deserves praise and shows a willingness to try and make things right.

>>96761205
It reads like it was written by a self obsessed narcissist and serial liar who is trying to get ahead of the story

>>96761113
>18 grooming gang bucks
>for something that can be done with bluestuff and milliput
Not even a two part mold just a simple one sided bluestuff one that you used to make to copy those random emblems and shields for your Knights and Witch Hunter models back in the early 2000.
It honestly looks like something someone made with random bits and has been copied multiple times.

>>96751645
That FB post isn't necessarily a meta-fag, Stahltruppen are *EXTREMELY* points effective for what they are, enough for even a casual player to notice it.

The older, lesser powered armour unit actually costs MORE points. Sure, you get six instead of 3, but the stalhtruppen is straight up immune to basic infantry weapons.

Damn I was just about to buy the WGA Harvester bugs. I was hesitant because of Hudson's behavior on the WGA FB page, but this recent revelation really settles it.

It's funny seeing 4chan is right again, this thread has been very vocal about WGA hating and Hudson for a long time and it first it seemed like schizoid racing, but maybe the artists on here really are just more perceptive and see right through the bullshit.

>>96760914
>>it's going to be paid out in WGA store credit
lmao

>>96761288
Nah it's either 100% money or 150% as credit, I'm not a fanboy at all but that's the fact of the matter

>>96761205
>I'm going to refund everyone in store credit with my new company even though I stole people's actual money
>deserves praise
No.

what company do I buy now that I must abandon wga

>they
who was it Tony? Shouldn't be a big deal, you're coming clean after all. Not just a nebulous 'they'.

>>96761361
>signed over everything
>said I just wanted to keep 10%
>somehow they can still back out and leave him holding the bag
The fuck did you sign?

>>96760966
No no no, I am sure someday they'll restock.
Actually, I will send them an e-mail to ask, I'm sure it's soon and they'll confirm that.

>>96761204

Wasn't too sure on adding these guys but the boxes were like £5 and £3

But I'm happy I did. Look at these stupid dorks.

Again no clue about the game, just the miniatures.

>>96756693
Wait, I thought everyone knew Wargames Atlantic was the reboot of Wargames Factory?
Anyway:
>doing business with CHINA
My own workplace is getting fucked by Chinesium right now, I swear that people should know better already but business owners are cheap fucks that only look at the initial price.

>>96761238
No, it was still mostly schizo posting. They just ended up right, but about something completely different than what they were bitching about. Won't stop them from being annoying as hell about it for the next month or two, though.

>>96761374
I’ll email them too. Maybe if they see demand from the both of us they’ll put two more boxes in stock

>>96761395
meds

>>96761331
Nothing. Paint every single miniature you own.

>>96761367
I mean...I wouldn't take the word of a guy that lied and stole to hundreds of people to the degree that he had to use a new name to start a new business.

Did he legally change his name? Is it even legal to do buisiness with a nom de plume? Which name is the real name even? There is no reason to trust anything he says at all.

>>96761331
Hopefully none, Tony.

>>96761428
No. I only paint 1/3 of my boxes. I have 200+ minis painted to completion 150 primed and ready to paint and my thirst will never be quenched. I will buy more.

>>96756710
>>96761385
>I got conned by the Chinese Mafia.. and they ran a smear campaign against me!
You're actually retarded and gullible for believing this

>>96761507
You're unironically retarded if you don't know that the Chinese are the biggest scammers and crooks on the planet. I work in the industry and EVERYONE knows that it's bad business to deal with the Chinese. Except the actual business owners, fucking idiots.
>wow, this steel is so cheap! Let's order tons!
OOPS IT WASN'T EVEN STEEL BUT SAND PRESSED TOGETHER AND COATED WITH A THIN IRON LAYER
>Why pay my guys for a week welding these details when I can order four times the amount of details from China?
OOPS ONLY 1/4 OF THE CHINESE DETAILS ARE MADE CORRECTLY
>We need a new laser cutter but I don't want to pay for a European one, let's buy a Chinese one
OOOPS, IT BREAKS DOWN SEVERAL TIMES A WEEK AND PERFORMS WORSE THAN THE 15 YEAR OLD EUROPEAN ONE IT WAS SUPPOSED TO REPLACE

>>96761395
You're such a contrarian that you're actually mad at that guy for being right about the conman, instead of being mad at the actual conman. Get a grip buddy

>>96760897
Anon WGA completly does not fit aesthetics, they lack whimsy.
Maybe check:
for goblins Alternative Armies Fomorians from Erin line, especially the pucci
for halflings MaxMini. They have a metric fuckton of silly halflings including entire viking and vampire army.

>>96761741
You'll be on about this for 18 months and you'll paint fuck all in that time.

>>96760914
It's going to be refunded in full or 150% value in WGA store credit. The choice is yours.

That being said:
-He didn't account for inflation.
-He owes you interest (by being generous and saying he loaned the money and didn't outright stole it from you).

>>96761779
Anon, statistically only like 10% of the people who he owes money will even hear about this and cash in on it. He's gonna shell put like $5k

>>96761789
Not even that, if they go with store credit .
Since the cost of producing a sprue is minimal compared with the retail cost (which he can set up himself too) , he will be spending like 0,5$ worth of plastic to repay each 50$.

>>96761809
Yep, exactly. That's why he incentivizes you to take the %150 option, because it costs him pennies.
A tiger can't change his stripes

>>96760914
Wake me up when soda pop and ninja division answer for their crimes.

>>96761824
A lot of the same people wound up at Succubus Publishing (Who also has a very overdue Kickstarter) and IgnitionCore games. Them and the scumbags at Creature Caster need to at least give backers STLs or something, even Privateer Press was nice enough to do that with the Monpoc board game.

>>96761809
Take it up with him, this thread is for alternative wargames.

We can pretty easily see the detail here:

https://youtu.be/rK5KsPMdGvc?si=Xt5hAI1N5l-NXF84

WGA hater eternally btfo, over night both this thread and /hwg/ shat up by the usual suspects. Going too well for the non gamers I imagine.

>>96760914
>>this alias gains a reputation for being one of the slimiest swindlers in the Wargaming industry

When did this happen

>>96761830
>still simping for WGA in spite of recent events
Yikes, this is like GW™ fanboy level of derangement

>>96761830
kill yourself

>>96761844
>>96761845
>overreaction
>threats
>unable to substantiate arguments
>threadshitter timezone

Yeah I'm thinking you have nothing.

Between this and the Siege Studios Warboot scandal it's been a good week for gossip

>>96761238
>really are just more perceptive and see right through the bullshit.

Like I said, you'll bang on about this for ages and in that time you won't paint or play anything.

>>96761872
No one cares.

>let's make /awg/ about industry noise and not the actual hobby

American. Timezone. Always.

>>96761897
where is wga based out of again I forgot

>>96761948
This thead is like one person. Look at the reply count. Pathetic

>>96761873
Post models

I AM WARGAMES ATLANTIC'S STRONGEST SOLDIER

>looks up wargames factory
>find the mark of the beast
Good lord.

U-U-Uhhhh Maelstrom's Edge is getting a new faction with troops in plastic, the Kaigus Pact

>>96756693
If he got burned that bad and everything imploded, where did he get the capital to start WGA?

>>96762011
What does this have to go with WGA?

>>96761964
all me btw

>>96761777
>Anon WGA completly does not fit aesthetics, they lack whimsy.
you misunderstand, I don't mind if they are not whimsy, I just want to make goblin vs little guys skirmish warbands setup. I might even drop the little guys and just make orc-goblin clans

>>96762011
Huh. Those looks prettty cool. Love when someone does more organic looking scifi stuff. Maybe swap the heads.

>>96760897
Funnily enough, in addition to those gnomes posted earlier, Warp also has goblins and Halflings too lol

>>96761331
>>96762126
Lotsa Halflings, in fact. Halflings in metal. Halflings in digital. Limited edition anniversary halflings.

>>96762126
now these are just too whimsy for me, they look like they are out to play and not really fighting

>>96760983
>Nothing moral ever occurs in secrecy
Wise words, Anonymous.

>>96761741
Since I don't like WGA's sculpts, so have no investment in it either way, yes, I am pissed at the guy that's spent the last 2 months shitting up the threads and is going to spend another 2 months shitting up the threads for an incidental victory.

that'll be 27.50 rape bongs please

>>96762405
WHAT THE FUCK ARE THOSE..

pretty cool dragon. too bad it looks like its raping a badly sculpted tree though. its yours for £50 if you want it.

>>96762373
>has no dog in the fight
>still spends his free time white knighting for WGA
it's worse than I thought

>25 rape bongs for this
the UK will collapse next year

>>96762424
Do you think now that you have your containment thread you mde for attention that you could keep it to that?

>>96762420
I don't mind some of the new Mantic designs, the proof is nearly always in the painting you do yourself but if these shake out to be $200 aud starter sets Mantic can jump in a lake.

I listened to a podcast with one of the co authors of the rules and while it sounds like the rules have been tightened up and clarified, they were kind of promising everything they were asked for in terms of future releases which is just silly

>>96762424
>wants to drag the thread into pointless shitposting about a guy/company he dosen't like.
How very noble of you sir.

>>96762434
I liek monke
I like the gnoll rangers
I like the monk artillery
I like the dog dragon
The mainline cathay gnolls look silly
The nee trident realm lizards look good
Not hundreds of dollars good
Mantic will probaly do wel instead of shitting the bed as predicted because the general buying public is weird

>>96762453
>sperging out in multiple threads about how everyone who criticizes WGA is the same person
You really are mentally ill kek

>>96762434
Monke is okay. Expensive, but everything is now.

>>96762472
Boy I sure do love how every awg thread is about how you don't like wga

>>96762524
I've never mentioned Wga in my life until the article today. You, however, seem to be obsessed with some bogeyman

https://x.com/PBWargames/status/1978506156067979447
Its meh.

>>96762373
I know you know this, but if you ignore him his shitting loses all traction.
>>96762419
Those are the reason Mantic Elf is an epithet around here.

>>96762777
>that'l be 25 euros please!

>>96762777
For a Midsummer's Night generic Fae, they are fine. But for what they discribed the Weavers as, they are a let down. The plant monsters, like the dragon and Will-O-Wisps are cool, though.

>>96762935
Yeah, I should know better.

when did /awg/ turn into such a shithole? used to be one of my favorites

>>96763105
Its just one dude called perry anon who shits the general up.

>>96762405
I thought those looked good enough.
15 years ago.

>>96763117
Take your faggy drama back to /wfg/ or get a room

>>96763105
It's one anon. He's tried multiple failed shitposting vectors and WGA seems to be one that's semi successful for him so be prepared for weeks of low IQ shitposting.
Best to not engage any obvious shitposting faggots.

>>96762405
Makes me glad I ended up with the Elf Army box for $50 a few months back.I just wish I had bought the Dwarf Mega Army before the retarded price hikes.

>>96762405
At the very beginning mantic used to mail you these a few of these elves for free, to spread word that a new player was entering the multi part plastic kit fantasy world.

I remember their video announcing price rises for the years was Ronnie saying "no price increase from Mantic".

I remember their first forum where they'd ask people what they should focus next, and I remember a guy from Sweden or something saying he wanted troll that "looked like this" and he posted a picture of a piece of wood he photographed the day before in the forest.

I was always a staunch defender of mantic, and I even enjoy playing KoW. It was new, it was cheap, it was exciting, it had plastic VHS-style cases with foam inside, it had some of the best zombies and ghouls ever made, it had chaos dwarfs at a time when NO ONE was producing chaos dwarfs...
Most importantly though, they represented competition. And competition, in any industry, is always a good thing, and that's why I was always showcasing my painted mantic models in the few forums in my country.

But now... WTF has happened. Mantic charges (almost) GW prices without having nearly as much as GW offering.
Even if we ignore the sculpts, which could be argued to be a subjective point, their models never offered the amount of bits and customization that GW does. And that was fine when they costed 1/5 the price. But now... idk I'm just so disappointed.

>>96762405
To this day I wonder what they would look like with some insectoid head swaps.

>>96763176
>I was always a staunch defender of mantic, and I even enjoy playing KoW. It was new, it was cheap, it was exciting, it had plastic VHS-style cases with foam inside, it had some of the best zombies and ghouls ever made, it had chaos dwarfs at a time when NO ONE was producing chaos dwarfs...
>Most importantly though, they represented competition. And competition, in any industry, is always a good thing, and that's why I was always showcasing my painted mantic models in the few forums in my country.
Same. It seems like they are more miss than hit recently.
I should grab some sculpts that I like before they implode.

I've seen come concept art for the Mantic Elves and the idea was not terrible on paper. The models are kind of awkward and gangly though and the casts look soft. So using a metallic paint all over them makes them look like blobby big people with no detail. I wonder if that was one of those thing where they send files to a chinaman and they futz around with it. Like the stories we heard about Conquest. Wasn't there something like that about the KoW humans that were supposedly rebuilt by a chinese guy without telling mantic because the file formats were not compatible or something like that?

Finding an elf with a decent paintjob is nearly impossible, but if you got a good painter willing to invest the work into a soft sculpt like that you get something that doesn't look terrible. The models were clearly made before they had the kinks of making plastic injection models ironed out though.
But who would ever put that much work into paintjobs for a rank and flank game? They should have redone that range ten years ago. It was always the laughing stock of the range and keeping it around at all probably cost them more money taking up shelf-space than making something anybody with eyeballs would be willing to buy.

>>96763333
They had that period where they seemed to pivot towards boardgames and then turning the components into RPG encounter boxes. Would be interesting to see if they get more money from people downgrading from GW or upgrading from WotC's Nolzurs.

>>96763417
Every pocast the mantic guys get asked

"When are you doing your original ranges of elves, dwarves, orcs and undead?"

They keep promising it.

I don't mind the new release, I love Trident Realms. Lukewarm on Xirwhatsit. But if it' mad expensive I'm just glad I picked upthe ogre/unded starter and 4 ambish boxes...abyssal dwarves, basilea, forces of nature and northern alliance.

The half elves make good wood elves btw.

Seeing KoW Ambush boxes at $40-50 USD now is depressing as fuck.

Fellas... I feel betrayed.. I really thought Wga was the next great thing. A miniature company that produces loads of unique boxes for an affordable price, in every genre? It's a foolproof plan! Imagine my surprise and dismay upon learning that it is being ran by none other than the perfidious Tony Reidy, in disguise all along. Nothing cuts you straight to the core quite like betrayal and deceit

>>96760914
>it's going to be paid out in WGA store credit
Why lie like this when it's so easy to fact check you?

>>96761238
Stop putting up such an act. Those bug models did not change in the slightest because of that.

>>96764161
>Why lie like this when it's so easy to fact check you?
He likes to pretend there's some organized group running defense for WGA against him specifically, so he does anything he can, including lie, to attack them and WGA in general. He just can't understand that his word isn't treated as god's honest gospel and that people can have opinions other than his, a symptom of low-functioning kind of autism.

>>96760016
>From what I heard

Then it must be true

>>96761741
Tony did not shit up a formerly comfy thread with his shizo tirades about Facebook posts. So absolutely, I rather support WGA out of spite than to agree with a retard from 4chan.

>>96760914
I feel so bad for buying from wga now. And for that damned gamefound.
Hold me bros.

>>96760917
Kevin dallimore’s painting style could make the worst looking model look like an incredible work of art. Love his style of painting too.

>retard decides to shit up 100 threads defending wga at all costs
>because he decided the entire backlash against it is due to political reasons
>in reality it started by anon mentioning his bad experience with wga customer service
>related to 5 year overdue kickstarter project
>which led to anons taking a 2nd look at their miniatures and services and coming to a simple conclusion - shits mid
>of course all of this must be a work of a single boogieman
>now trying to shit up all discussion of the topic for perceived slight against his political football team
Fucking overpolitized americans.

>>96761238
Come on anon
Ask yourself this - how in the fuck can they walk on these stilt legs ?
This will keep bothering you if you buy them.

>>96764385
Projecting much?

>>96764161
Because he thinks people are putting as little effort into this as he does. He posts the same 3 pictures over and over again, not even bothering to look for more/new stuff. He keeps repeating the same points, no matter how little success he has with it, because in his mind, he is 100% correct and everyone else is just not smart enough to see the truth.
You could see this behaviour with his other "crusades" too. He genuinely thinks he has a great point, and then gets more and more bitter when people are not immediately jump onto his side.

it aint gonna buy itself and the UK government needs every penny it can get

Holy fuck, Mantic removed all their metal sculpts for the Abyssal Dwarfs! The army is butchered at this point. What the fuck is with these retards?!

>>96761741
But the shizo wasn't right about the conman. He did not know about the conman, because he didn't even make the connection between WGA and WGF, which others knew for years. He posts his facebook posts and cries about WGA being leftists. Now he has something new to add to his portfolio of things, just like he keeps reposting that one digital sculpt that i posted originally some months ago when discussing different sculpting styles of their digital pressence, claiming its how all their digital stuff looks like, when in fact it was a rare (and very bad) exception.

>>96764489

Should've removed the plastics instead.

>>96764385
>retard decides to shit up 100 threads defending wga at all costs
Accuse your opponents of that which you are guilty of.

>>96764519
As someone with hundreds of Blacksouls over the past few years, I had zero mold slip or any issues.

>>96764549
That's remarkable and I am glad for you, I got 60 of them and all the sprues had the same issue, there were enough parts to make serviceable models and mantic customer service worked well. But I still thought there was some mold slip.

Can you post a picture of your blacksouls so that we can see if there were any issues with them?

>>96764246
Reminds me of that anon who bought a box of whatever from some random maker because I said God knows what negative about it that day. You guys need to chill.

>>96764600
Things that totally happened.

>>96761981
But that's not CMON's logo?

>>96764246
Imagine being such a piece of shit you defend a dodgy business on a hobby board.

>>96764674
Your antics are old, Anon. No one's buying it.

>>96764681
>everyone who dislikes scammers is the same person

What the hell is your problem? Stop defending shitty people.

>>96764674
Imagine being such a piece of shit, you can not stop your month-long crusade against a company because they blocked you on facebook

>>96764580
Sure. I have some on sprue still I think? I'll check tomorrow if you do not mind a wait.

>>96764717

I don't really, I've been shitting on this sprue for months now, one day is nothing.

>>96764709
Stop getting on our nerves with industry gossip.
And for the record: calling you out for being an autistic retard is not defending WGA. You are just such an insufferable cunt, and you overdid your campaign so massively, that opposing you, a notorious shitposter, is more important than whatever WGA is doing.

>>96764489
>replacing all metal/resin sculpts with STLs only
Damn if only mantics STL program wasn’t fucking horrendous

They already fucked me over by doing it with Armada since they never have it in stock

>>96764714
>>96764681
You can't just accuse everyone who disagrees with you of being the same person.

>>96764674
Yeah, seriously dude you need to stop your crusade or whatever this is. Sorry you got a really shit box of figs from WGA or whatever triggered this.

>>96764723
Cool, ok. I need to dig out my stuff from storage but should be able to do it tomorrow after my work out.
>>96764730
It is very frustrating. It was bad enough they got rid of the metal and plastic Mantic Rewards. Now the Elf and Abyssal Dwarf armies that I own are castrated in what models can be bought. I need to search Ebay I suppose.

>>96764740
>>96764724
>>96764714
>crusade
>campaign
>crusade

Seek help, this was my first ever post >>96764674 about the WGA issue.

>>96764754
Maybe you should lurk more than just come into this thread with the samey arguments.

>>96764737
The WGAschizo (it may actually be the scam artist himself) throws a fit every time someone mentions the subject for some reason, despite the fact that this has been a well known kickstarter scam for over a decade.

>>96764752
I’d say that someone might have listings to print them on Etsy but I don’t know if mantic had a sellers program, or if anyone would want to be in it

>>96764674
It's not about defending a dodgy business, it's about being tired of faggots spending threads sperging out about the said business whenever possible.

>>96764758
I never posted about it because I don't really care about WGA but i'm not here to watch bootlicking morons defend shady businessmen, calling them out is perfectly justified.

So will we ever get the Damned actually sold outside the Kickstarter?

>>96764777
I hope so, the only thing I wanted from WGA was their transport vehicle.

>>96764772
>calling them out is perfectly justified.

Yes, if he only did that. But he started a literal campaign months ago, knowing nothing about the recent event. And he kept coming, and kept posting the same bullshit over and over. Not only here, but in other threads as well. So you might understand why he is not the most popular Anon here, even if this time, he might have a point. It does not change the fact that he is an autistic retard

>>96764777
I expect them to release the announced army set and the individual vehicle around christmas.

>>96764632
It's right here anon.
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96608724/#96636532

Morning lads everyone alright aye?

>>96765059
gonna paint some trashy prints today for game this weekend

With the second edition of Dragon Rampant about to come out, is there any reason left to buy Lion Rampant? Will it just be the same thing but without any dragons?

>>96763878
>Tony Reidy
As some one than isn't into the shenaningans of people into the hobby, what means.

>>96765574
He did a kickstarter in 2013, it somehow failed to deliver, and he kept the whole lot of 47k that was collected. Apparently some people still care, and if i had lost a lot of money back then, i might be still mad too, even tho, holding grudges over pocket money from 10+ years ago.. whatever.

>>96763817
Thanks for the heads up. I've found a couple places sub 40.

>>96765670
It takes most hobby stores some time to adjust prices. I'm currently looking at the Ogre Ambush box for 33€.. its probably now or never.

>>96765481
Of course, the tables, challenges, traits and lists have a bit more medieval and dark age flavour. Not enough that you could not just go with the new DR which might be more flexible but the difference between the Mersey games isn't just troop types. He puts in enough variation for it to have some flavour of the era...it's nit perfect but it's good. I'm skeptical about 12 man pike blocks being the basic Renaissance skirmish unit when firelocks exist but I prefer it to say Saga which feels less like "play toy soldiers in your diorama" and more like "play a heroic board game."

>>96765670
It also depends on the box. Ogres is a good choice because it also has 20 Goblins... I think the newer boxes will be the more expensive ones

>>96764777
Presumably after the backers actually get their stuff.

>>96764777
>explicitly evil rebel sci fi guys

We need more of this

Alongside

>space knights in heavier kit

Valkir kit is close

>>96765628
I have to assume its mostly people who didn't buy in who are angry, given that there were fewer than 700 actual backers.

>>96765817
If you could fund 3-4 kits what would you do?

I think Boxers 2 with more actual Boxer warriors, Tigermen with Grappling hooks and a Jingal team would be cool. So would be Japanese and US Marines from that era.

Otherwise... I want a Wood Elf kit that isn't cosplay elves with over designed leather gear...just a simple dark ages vibe... same for dwarves and orcs. Kind of like the Oathmark kits but some of those seem a bit soft and basic these days.

Has anyone outside alternative armies wnd gw made space elves, orcs, dwarves etc?

>>96765807
>Valkir kit is close
You know the Valkir box released ages ago, right? You can buy it right now.

>>96765856
No I mean would be nice if there were more styles of this in plastic kit form. Theyre close to what I want...I prefer Ion Age ones the most

>>96765850
WGA has space dwarves called Einherjar.

>>96764246
Your as bad as that retard that keeps posting his pajeets K47 army because someone made a pajeet joke to him. Spite is so gay and feminine

>>96765807
Are they necessarily evil? I mean, they are obvious 40k chaos guard/cultist proxies, but if you leave this aside, you can easily make a regular "somewhat" sci-fi army with AK-looking guns out of them.
Those hoods and gas mask heads look pretty much like Star Grave Scavengers, and the main torso is plain enough i think. Not fancy or super high tech, but not striclty "evil" looking.

There are two sets in this range i'm super excited about: The Heavy troops and the reptile dogs.
WGA did a very poor job with the marketing on these. Considering they are shipping US pledges right now, every sprue should be available to them. Why the fuck aren't they sending those out to some random youtubers, and also why are there no painted examples of every single sprue on their website as a teaser for whats to come. They showed those two painted trucks, alongside with the very first painted prototypes from 2 years ago (afaik 3d prints). And thats it apparently.

>>96765895
My scavengers are definitely baddies I built them as radiation zombies lol

>>96765850
Mantic has Space Dwarfs (hit or miss, but a few good kits)
WGA has >>96765868
OPR has printable Space Dwarfs and Space Elves (Dwarfs are ok-ish, Elves are garbage if you ask me)
Mantic and OPR have Space Orks. Both look bad. But there are hundreds of printable Orks available from all sorts of 3d-artists.

>>96765023
LMFAO wga defense force btfo

>>96762405
our Chancellor thought it was a good idea to increase tax on jobs and our Energy Minister wants more expensive power, they're working hard to sabotage anyone who has established a growing company. The UK's strategy is still to drive UK based manufacturers completely overseas.

>>96764600
That's me. My Fidwog box arrived early last week. Suck shit from my ass, you fucking dork.

>>96763120
These have been ugly 15 years ago too.

>>96765868
>>96765910
Sorry but I can't morally justify buying from WGA at this point

>>96765895
Swap out some of the heads and snip off the spikes and you have a ragged veteran guard army. Personally, I'm cultistpilled. The new Frostgrave box should be out soon.

>>96765959
pics or didn't happen

>>96765963
I have no morals and will continue buying their Fantasy line.

>>96765973
Haven't built them yet, but the plan is to use the tanks as tankettes for my own setting/game, and use the Quar bodies for Rootlings for Turnip28 when I get around to that project.

>>96765971
I'm waiting for that Cultists box too. Probably will wait a little bit longer, and order it alongside the Heavy Human Infantry they showed recently.

>>96764856
>but he
NTAYRT. Anon you need to fuck off with this part, it makes everyone know you're full of shit. I haven't posted at all since >>96761367
So there are clearly many people who dislike wga and their practices. Being snarky shitheads to your potential customers has long term downsides. Who would have thought.

>>96765984
>I have no morals
Just use recasters and your own printer.

>>96766038
>doesn't know Perryfag

Lurk more Anon

>>96766059
>printertranny

Taught some people to play This is Not a Test in preparation for a campaign. Sort of wish there was a liiiitle more going on between the state of being alive and dead (half the models on the table died over the course of one turn), but otherwise game's great.

>>96766059
Where to buy recasts of WGA spiders?

>>96764730
Agreed. You can find most of them up on Tele, at least. From a financial perspective, ot makes sense, but I'd appreciate allowing licensed printers, or at least an in-house print on demand service.

>>96765971
I love Frostgrave Cultist hoods so much. They’re so versatile

>>96766059
I bought a nice printer a few years ago and dealing with the toxicity of resin is just such a hassle.

Has anybody bought the Stargrave Automatons yet? I might mix the spare arms with these resin bodies to make heavy cyborgs.

>>96766474
Got a sprue. It's a good set, and your plan should work fine.

>>96766474
Yeah. They're good quality. You need to know anything specific about them?

>>96766087
Perryfag has absolutely buck broken Warhammer Fantasy troons so badly that they constantly seethe about him across multiple generals

>>96766625
He didn't start in /wfg/, and he does shit up multiple generals.

>>96766675
Perryfag was Tony Reidy all along!!!!!

>>96766625
You mean, he is harassing multiple generals constantly.

>>96766474
I do not have them yet, but i dont see why this wouldn't work. All the arms have simple flat joints and the heads will probably fit there too. If not, thats nothing a little bit of greenstuff cant fix.

>>96747013
Listbuilding is one of the most fun aspects of the hobby. Are you okay?

>>96763105
Over the course of the last 4-5 years. It was a gradual decline.

>>96766558
>>96766589
>>96766727
Thanks Anons.

>>96764783
Anon its the most basic wheeled box possible. You can literally grab a normal model kit at that price and have a better product. Its awful design only surpassed by what gw shits out.
>>96765862
Ion Age is great.
Maybe you could check out maschinekrieger, its more of an /m/ thing but its power armor is massive, and even thought not stricte knightly might fit your tastes.

>>96763731
>"When are you doing your original ranges of elves, dwarves, orcs and undead?"

>They keep promising it.

I know they won’t give the original sculpts an stl send off but I would like if they did.
Would be really amazing if they did.

>>96763105
There was some bombshell news in the alternative wargames world yesterday, so naturally the thread is going to have some bickering

>>96766797
Different strokes for different folks I guess, I just don't like it. I want to put my guys down on the table and play without worrying about all that.

>>96757635
Check Badger games too, they bought some models and might have the rules

Are any of the female Stargrave boxes worth it for cool/unique parts? I can always give the female bodies/heads to a guy at the wargames club for his daughter.

>>96768043
There are pics of all the sprues online. In general the female sprues were designed later, so they usually have a bit more variety in bits and weapons, but there is nothing really unique about them. Its bodies, heads, guns, some bags/backpacks and 2-3 melee weapons on each of them.

>>96765963
I absolutely can. Dude's been doing honest business with multiple other companies for the better part of a decade, and has shown a consistent ability to follow through. Even with some frustrating delays. If he'd actually fucked his previous partners and ran off like Anon is insinuating, then the Iron-Kore guy 100% wouldn't be working with him again. Let alone expanding the line. I've never been cheated by WGA and they're quite open about their current production/shipping/sculpting process. People can learn from their mistakes, shockingly, and in this case I think the proof is in the pudding. Or the dozens of affordable, decent-quality plastic sets and one idiotic Trech Crusade commission as the case may be.
Also I don't think the OG hater-anon realized that he didn't redact his own Facebook posts enough. He even admitted on here that he got banned for being a petulant little bitch and spamming their email.


>>96766095
A medic helps a bit, most warbands have access to one between the Sawbones, the Heal-o-bot, and any model with the Smarts skill tree.

>>96768043
The female sprues usually just offer alternative gear, new heads, and a slimmer build on the arms. They're good for kitbashing with less heroic-proportioned models

>>96768175
Sawbones' definitely on the docket for my caravaners because no one else (aside from my leader) in the warband is smart enough to know what first aid is. I'd be over the moon if I could put it on a Runner, but alas.

>>96765912
Well you called me WGA Defense Force like two days ago so make up your damn mind or take your meds.

>>96765998
Told you it will end up in your pile of shame and it's exactly what happened.

I keep thinking about these oathmark heavy guys.
I should give them halberds.

>>96768480
He got it last week, you stupid asshole

>>96764659
No, it's CGL's logo,
the BEAST. (if you're a fan of any of fasa's works)
don't make me DECK you one.

>>96763120
their undead and dorfs were okay 15 years ago.
this was bad. their poses and detail would be bad in the 80s.
like if you don't believe me check foundry. those are literally 80s GW scuplts.

>>96764777
it's so fucking over due, like what 2 years, now?
i'm mad.

>>96766719
>harrassing
>general threads
lol, lmao even.

>>96766625
>>96766719
>go into modern 4chin thred
>post something
>oh my god you must be retardfag69, saged and reported
the fuck are you niggers like this now?
I remember this being the case with AoS because they're weak of mind streaming about potatoslavs but fuck, the only boogieman/boogiemen on the board is the jannies

>>96766308
hey, how many blood cultists could i make out of them?
Asking because geroxe cruo.

>>96765574
Known scam artist who had to take up a fake name because he had such an awful reputation with both customers and contractors in the industry following a slew of smaller scams, scummy business practices, nonpayment of workers, and then the kickstarter scam that finally broke the camel's back

>>96768175
>Dude's been doing honest business with multiple other companies for the better part of a decade, and has shown a consistent ability to follow through.
Hello Tony Reidy

>>96768175
>He even admitted on here that he got banned for being a petulant little bitch and spamming their email.

There it is.

>>96767621
Are they even digital?

>>96762777
>Its meh.
That's just Conquest sculpts in general, Para Bellum feel like upmarket Mantic
I had high hopes when they started out but they've never really been able to deliver on their art. It's just a lot of meh held up by a few cool models

>>96769862
Nope. It scanning tech exists and maybe there are digital files somewhere to be converted into stls.
I hope.

>>96753091
>the hell with stacking wound tokens next to the mini
I have grand plans to laminate generic unit cards for that purpose, but until then I should probably just use life tracking notepads

I can't wait for Dragon Rampant 2 to release on the 21st. Th best part of 4chan is I know there will be a PDF available on here within 24 hours

NEW THREAD MADE

>>96753091
The models look a little flat, not much shading on the weapons, clothing, packs.
Maybe do a little bit more work on the weapons little gems and whatnot.
A wash or shade it doesn't have to be thick goes a long way.
Add a selective highlight here or there and it won't take much time but it will improve the look a whole lot

The important thing is actually painting the Miniatures and being willing to improve