Thread 96749003

"Dice are cool." - (Me)

Previous: >>96735655

This general encompasses all board game genres - Eurogames, Ameritrash, Ameritreasure, Fillers, Party, Abstracts, Wargames, and especially the game that one anon is autistic about at this very moment.

TQs:
- What are your favorite dice games?
- What do you think about "luck" in games?
- What are some underrated gems (in any genre)?

Bonus:
- Post your favorite die.

>>96749003 (OP)
First for hiring two escorts to play Troyes

>>96749021
kek I remember that

I don't play many "dice games". Yahtzee fucking sucks, that much i do know.

Troyes is probably the closest to a dice game that i play, and it is a wonderful game.

I like games that have a luck aspect and that a part of the games challenge is luck mitigation. I do not like a game is only about luck though, I am interested in games of skill. Making informed decisions about probabilities etc is really fun.

I don't like it if a game is too swingy, if the variance is too big. Well, i can tolerate the occasional huge swing in some shorter games, but in a longer game i do not like it.

is troyes the greatest dice game ever?

>>96749060
No.

Finally got around to play Arcs after all this time. Base game is excellent. Probably wherle's best and I'm not surprised it was basically created by accident. I'm curious about the campaign but not curious enough to spend that sort of money on it.

>>96749003 (OP)
>TQs:
>- What are your favorite dice games?
Liar's Dice. Mythical Dice is slowly becoming my new favorite however
>- What do you think about "luck" in games?
Always welcome in healthy doses
>- What are some underrated gems (in any genre)?
Trapwords!
>Bonus:
>- Post your favorite die.
Chessex Lab heavy dice my beloved.

>>96749201
you should find someone local to play the campaign with, or do TTS
it really is great fun

>>96749003 (OP)
>TQ
Like luck hate randomness

Is Troyes an auction game?

Today, on /bgg/... I learn how to play riichi mahjong.

>>96749035
Terraforming Mars: the dice game? what's the red die for?

>>96749375
It's just a funny skewed die from a teaching supply store.

>>96749372
I did some years ago and it's fun but I really don't see how people seem to LOVE love it

>>96749003 (OP)
>Favorite dice game
Roll Player
>What do you think about "luck" in games?
Depends. If the game is geared to be a deep tactical game but has luck elements out the ass? That's a hard pass. Especially if it's a long game. Essentially, the shorter a game is, the more forgiving I am when it comes to luck elements. Also, damage output being randomized by dice makes sense and never bothered me. Fighting is chaotic, so it makes sense. Luck is shit when it is influencing how far you can move and if you can gather wood in a forest and other basic shit that should not be a thing influenced by the whims of fate.
>Underrated Gems
Hand of Fate Ordeals, Draconis Invasion, For Glory, crimson Company, War Chest, Dice Wars Heroes of Polyhedra
>Favorite dice
Hoplomachus Alloy Set. Chunky, chunky boys.

>>96749003 (OP)
>- What are your favorite dice games?
I'll join the crowd and say Troyes. Even if you roll like shit, you can buy someone else's dice which is neat.

>- What do you think about "luck" in games?
Some amount of randomness (which basically translates to luck) is good and often necessary. But as time goes on, I'm seething more and more about output randomness. There are very few games which use those kinds of mechanics that aren't egregiously high variance and unpredictable.

Input randomness I've almost never had a problem with. Sure maybe you drew a shit hand, but most of the time you have some space to maneuver and figure out a play.

>- What are some underrated gems (in any genre)?
Picrel. Nobody ever talks about it and it is pure crack. So I do my part.

>>96749790
i think a lot of the reason why rogue likes work so well is because of the randomness. a good rogue like in my opinion has to have a somewhat high skill ceiling. it's important that the game is an expression of skill. now the randomness is what keeps it fresh. you are forced to adapt and overcome those challenges and sometimes, with a bit of luck, you can also become game breakingly strong. i always thought that enter the gungeon struck a really nice balance.

i won't hide my truth any longer
i love board game auto battlers

>>96749790
>it is pure crack. So I do my part.
Where do you stand on qmg WW2
vs 1914?

>>96749806
If we are talking about randomness in games in general, I think video games, especially roguelikes have the advantage of being able to affort to give you shit runs because it's all so easy to restart. Boardgames must be more clever about it whilst at the same time be more reductionistic yet just as deep or deeper.

It's interesting how effectively videogames can steal from boardgames but not the other way around. If I recall correctly, StS designers said they were ispired by dominion

>>96749833
how many are there? Challengers and that new one, Zenith?

>>96749430
I play it online and it feels kinda like poker but more controllable

>>96749710
How is Hoplomachus? I know a couple of autists in /bgg/ REALLY seem to hate it.

>>96749981
it's SHIT (i'm one of them)

>>96749940
good observation!

i recently watched amabel's video on player counts and she also makes the point that playing solo in video games is much more popular than in board games. most board games are designed with mutliple people in mind (the wider the range, the wider the appeal for a possible audience). video games can afford to cater to just single people. so the experience of a board game will be completely different from the get go, where programming any sort of NPCs in a board game is also very much it's own challenge and can only go so far.

video games can do a lot in the background that otherwise has to be done by players themselves (see for example DnD and any of the Baldur's gate games). some games even feature hidden mechanics where if a player performs too poorly, maybe due to randomness, the game will secretly give them a boost. i dont know of any board games that does this. but a game like root works because the players themselves can regulate/police if someone gets the lead, giving others the chance to catch up. so this is always a concern, games tend to be designed in a way where the outcome of the game shouldnt be entirely clear until the very end. no one wants to spend an hour watching themselves lose.

>>96749849
1914 has everything WW2 has, but in smaller doses. WW2 is almost a 6-way asymmetric game due to how different each faction plays. 1914 has status cards, but there's nothing that approaches the WW2 German war machine, or the US production behemoth, or the UK global empire. 1914 has response cards, but it has no Yu-gi-oh faction like Japan. And so on.

The only true advantages of 1914 are that the response mechanic is universal and adds a hand management dimension, and the fact that it's a 2v3 so you're playing two strong countries versus three relatively weak ones, which is an interesting twist. Pretty much every other aspect of the games goes to WW2.

Still a good game though, if you can barely get together 5 people, you should check it out.

>>96749981
Some people swear the dice, especially the yellow dice, are weighted to miss far too much on TTS. They have a 33% chance at hitting but people report crazy long strings of getting nothing but blanks on them. If this is true it would explain a lot of the hate it gets.

As for the games
>Victorum
Single player only campaign game with maps based on regions that feel like micro skirmish affairs with constantly changing rules. It's not a BAD game, but it's too long for what it is and you flip through reference sheets and arenas too quickly. I like it, but it's definitely the weakest of the lineup
>Remastered (skirmish)
Fun, easy to teach, easy to learn, setup is fast, tear down is fast. Enough tactical stuff to scratch a head to head itch. Out of the box the armies are VERY samey with there only being one unique tactic, one unique champion, and two unique units (plus a beast). Makes teaching easy but kinda thin. Combining the Victorum units and it's a fucking beast but does start getting keyword bloat.
>Remastered (Immortals)
A fun as fuck endurance run with simple but effective AI units. Definitely the highlight of the series
>Remastered (Aeons)
EXTREMELY swingy bitch. The bosses have a gimmick to beat them and you roll a hefty pool of dice for their AI turn. The result of that roll can be them wiping the board or doing absolutely nothing and anything in between. It falls firmly in the too random camp.

I like Hoplomachus and play Immortals at least four times a month if nothing else. I can understand why some people don't like it though and, like most CTG stuff, playing it digitally is playing it the worst way possible, so TTS players are definitely going to rate it lower than physical players.

>>96750027
>They have a 33% chance at hitting but people report crazy long strings of getting nothing but blanks on them.
There is a 1% chance to have 11 misses in a row. 0.03% chance to have 20 misses in a row. It sounds small, but more than possible for someone to get fucked over that hard.

>>96750027
Adding to this
>Hoplomachus Origins
Small maps with objective based missions. Was Hoplomachus lite mode with solid solo play.
>Hoplomachus (OG, Rise of Rome, all expansions)

Jesus Christ. It's A LOT of game. Like a fucking obscene amount of content with five fucking pages of keywords before you go full retard and throw Origin units into the mix, because "Why not?" at that point. Chariots are tearing ass around the arena, every army has a special weapon, and it definitely got to be waaaay too much game. You had 8 armies that were like 30 units deep and only five units had shared mechanics, every other unit was some unique mother fucker with its own unique keyword salad and dice combination to throw. I could follow everything fine having played it to death, but it was not something any new player should even think about touching.

>>96749999
>good observation!
>i recently watched amabel's video on player counts and she also makes the point that playing solo in video games is much more popular than in board games. most board games are designed with mutliple people in mind (the wider the range, the wider the appeal for a possible audience). video games can afford to cater to just single people. so the experience of a board game will be completely different from the get go, where programming any sort of NPCs in a board game is also very much it's own challenge and can only go so far.
Is this a revelation for you? Don't take this the wrong way but how young are you?
Videogames are by default singleplayer and later the multiplayer was introduced. The opposite for boardgames which are multiplayer by default. I guess for people that started playing games with fortnight or something this is not that obvious?

>>96750027
i mean TTS dicerolls have been changed, they used to just give the die an upwards force followed by a random rotation but now they first set a random orientation then start rotating. this makes half of the coinflips not even look like flips

>>96749003 (OP)
>- What are your favorite dice games?
Are there any good heavy dice games out there? Madeira is not in print anymore.
>Trismegistus
>Cuzco
>Tekhenu
>Crystal palace
>Minos
>Any of the South Tigris trilogy game
Any of these good? Trismegistus had some issues with iconography. There's a new edition coming but I don't know. Tekhenu seems like a middle of the road T game. The South Tigris games look alright but I didn't like any of the Garphill games I played (Raiders and Architects).

>>96750144
>good heavy dice games
Civolution

>>96750136
it happens when you click "roll" or press R only once, when i roll a dice on tts I spam R for a couple seconds to make sure I get a real roll

>>96750097
> Is this a revelation for you?

no. even if things are obvious, there is a benefit in pointing them out and discussing them. why bother being a dick? and all you did add was pretty much restate what my post said anyway, so your post added nothing of value. truly the sign of a grown up person

>>96750178
>all you did add was pretty much restate what my post said anyway, so your post added nothing of value
>nothing of value
>even if things are obvious, there is a benefit in pointing them out and discussing them
>there is a benefit
See I knew you were gonna take it the wrong way and react emotional.
I was genuinely curious if this was a novel idea for you since like I stated younger people might see videogames as multiplayer by default if they start with multiplayer games.

>>96750244
i dont know what you mean by younger, i have no idea how old you are, so this whole point and your assumption thereof is pointless and i wont bother to entertain that, after all you are merely some random stranger. if you actually bothered to discuss age in relation to perception of board and or videogames you should have made your point in a different way. it did come off as pretentious and condescending, rather than serious interest. i am also not your scientific subject, dont get this the wrong way, but are you stupid? and i do mean that as genuine curiosity.

>>96750271
emotionally unstable and a hypocrite
No point in continuing this

It's tiring to constantly see parallels between videogames and boardgames, for me they're completely different mediums with very little in common, and I play both vidya and boardgames. I guess there really isn't much to talk about besides asking "whats your top X boardgames?" every other day

>>96750244
>emotional
where are the emotions? all i see is rational thinking
>restating the obvious can be good sometimes
>you say restating the obvious is bad but also you restated the obvious, what's up with that?
also, you are the one reacting emotional, saying taht restating the obvious is "a revelation" and asking "how young are you?", even adding a "don't take this the wrong way" because you know your response is emotional

its alright to be self-contradictory, we're all human in the end, just catch that before you press the post button

Feels like we can't go a single thread without some pseudo philosophers shitting up the thread. Makes me want to flick them all between the eyes.
BEST FLICKING GAMES—HARD MODE—No Crokinole:

>>96750314
Some turn based videogames are pretty much boardgames but with computer assisted math, Advance Wars for example, you could discuss what concepts boardgames steal from them. But yeah the majority of vidya is too real time hand-eye cordination to be boardgames (even if boardgames like Galaxy Trucker and DroPolter try to get in on that skill thing). You can't make FALLSTRUKTUR: the board game, for example, because the concept of the game is too videogame to translate to tabletop.
Another thing to talk about could be game reports. Used to be a good quarter of the thread was game reports and discussing strategy.

>>96750467
>>emotional
>where are the emotions?
NTA but here i see plenty of emotion >>96750178
>why bother being a dick? (...) truly the sign of a grown up person
when all he asked was if you were a young person since the whole thing seemed like a topic that wouldn't be that obvious to a young person, yet you interpreted it as "im older than you so im better"
>>96750314
>there really isn't much to talk about besides asking "whats your top X boardgames?" every other day
QED >>96750545

https://www.youtube.com/embed/CtpI7UKRUPM?start=746&end=766

>>96750558
the whole idea that someone is wrong because they are emotional is idiotic to begin with. if that's how you want to "win" an argument, then go ahead, but then that's you setting the goal post or agreeing with it. i hope you are aware of that. the content, not the container. people easily dismiss entire points of arguments because they are met with an emotional response, which, as much as they may be hiding behind "objective truth" or science or whatever, is moronic - together with this search for who was and who wasn't emotional, you are just fooling yourself.

>>96749999
> playing solo in video games is much more popular than in board games
board games are physical so that’s not a surprise but solo boardgaming is growing. Solo modes are added to games that wouldn’t have a solo mode in the 2000s or early 2010s. There are also solo only games than ever before.

>>96750877
*more than before I mean

Thank you to the Anon who recommended Piña Coladice. It’s addicting. Short and sweet enough to be a good filler.

>>96750846
>the whole idea that someone is wrong because they are emotional
you're making mountains out of molehills
again im not the anon you were talking with in the above """argument""" but there even wasn't anything to be wrong or right about, in >>96749999 you talked about a couple of things that were... rather obvious and normally wouldn't require a video essay for someone to grasp (unless they were somebody who only experienced multiplayer games, like most younger people) so >>96750097 's question was legitimate and you took it as a challenge for some reason
>>96750877
>Solo modes are added to games
it's a thing they do simply to broaden the target audience but most of the time it's something nobody asked for and is seen as yet another excuse to raise the price tag
personally I don't care about solo modes and even when I'm playing "solo", I multi-hand instead

>>96750936
> it's a thing they do simply to broaden the target audience but most of the time it's something nobody asked for and is seen as yet another excuse to raise the price tag
Have you seen bgg’s forums? People asked a lot about solo modes. The demand is certainly there.
> personally I don't care about solo modes and even when I'm playing "solo", I multi-hand instead
Really depends on the kind of game. Coop games like Spirit Island can be played multi handed. But I don’t see the point of playing a MPS game multi handed, for example. To each his own, though.

>>96750921
you're welcome!
for the same kind of short intense experience but 1v1, try toy battle

Is Dwellings of Eldervale slop or is it worth it? There is a decent discount on it and it got me intrigued.

>>96750984
I don't multihand mps
And I don't play coop, multihand or otherwise

>>96751174
Haven't played Dwellings, but Andromedas Edge is actually pretty good. They're supposed to be similar.

>>96750545
Disk Duelers

>>96750017
Thanks anon!
One more question, is the 2e significantly better than the first in any way? Because it seems to be oop and barely available in europe. Only ones I can find are french used copies for +€50 which seems harsh

>>96751174
I fpund it to be a well designed and tight wp game...and then there was combat. Before assumptions are made, I was actually looking forward to combat in a mid-heavy eurotrash game, but fucking hell did it kill the game. It is VERY random and stands in such stark contrast to the more ponderous, high consequence rest of the game it makes me worried about the designers mental state. I get wanting to make combat quick and snappy but it is at odds with everything else in the game.
4/10 would not play again

>>96752726
Can you describe how combat works?

The 4th in our group routinely leaves are one or two games, so I need to find games good for 3p. Any recs? The type/mechanic doesn't matter.

>>96750545
i've been back on the FlickFleet grind

>>96752846
Three Kingdoms Redux

>>96752792
It's been a few years so I details might be off but I'll try
>Each unit rolls a number of dice, lowly workers rollsl one up to dragons rolling 3 (or so, depends on your faction I think)
>cap is 5 dice
>Highest number wins
>No, not total number, highest single die value
>If both players eg roll a 6, you look at the next highest number they rolled
>loser loses all units
>Extreme example that still occured more than once in a single game: A rolled a 6 with his single die, B rolled 5 fives, thus A wins and all of Bs units die
>meaning huge swings and underdog victories constantly happen
>Might sound exciting, but the main way to score points is to hold territory until you can build a dwelling on it

It had a neat idea about placing your dudes only in adjacent spaces and the whole instant bonus vs socketing them thing but as is, I found it shit

>>96751174
>>96751714
I like dwellings, I think my biggest issue is table space, there's not really any reason the game and box should be so fucking massive.

It's probably not better than Andromeda's Edge as someone who's played both though, but Dwellings is much more approachable and rules light

>>96752049
It's sad that it is a never ever game now. Glad I got my copy years ago.

>>96749003 (OP)
>Decide to give Elder Scrolls a play solo
>Gonna go mage so I pick destruction staff
>Keep blowing myself up constantly

I am legit nervous about casting anything with that staff. It hits hard as fuck, but my squishy ass wizard keeps on dying.

>>96752665
Ah, that sucks.

>is the 2e significantly better than the first in any way?
After a quick read, it's mostly the same game with some visual improvements, but the biggest thing is the balance changes. 1e was apparently tilted towards the Allies once people know what they're doing. Also from what I remember about the expansion, 2e has one (real) expansion that combines aspects of multiple 1e expansions, so some refinements have probably been seen in that regard as well.

>french
The game is all cards, if you can't read them don't buy it.

>>96749955
Challengers
Tag Team
Final Titan
Super Auto Pets
(Zenith is a tug of war lane battler game, not an auto battler)

>>96752846
GWT
Brass: Birmingham
Churchill
Lots of Splotters are good at 3

>>96753271
>Lots of Splotters are good at 3
I'd say it's arguably the best player count for all splotters except maybe Indonesia

>>96753238
Thanks again. I'll just keep looking out for it. Probably never got an english release here outside of the uk. Been lowkey interested in it for literal years now, but everytime I wonder why I haven't looked into it I remember it isn't easy to get

>>96750144
The entire South Tigris trilogy is gold (but I'd say Scholars == Inventors > Wayfarers). Raiders and Architects are from before they knew how to make good games.

Everything else on that list ranges from "fine" to "whatever" but I have a soft spot for Crystal Palace as it's some real vicious worker placement (also not a dice game cause you never roll the dice).

I'd also add Grand Austria Hotel and The White Castle (but the latter isn't very beefy without the expansion).

>>96754782
what's the MPS one? I want to avoid that one. Also the designer is a Jew, are there any subversive themes? Thanks.

>>96750640
https://youtu.be/CtpI7UKRUPM?t=4100

Is obsession really that fun? The theme is just…nauseating.

Quarriors any good?
Found the Quarriors complete game for $10.

>>96755916
No, without expansions it's only tolerable if you do silly chinless aristocrat voices. I do think that it's probably the ultimate wife/girlfriend to gamer pipeline game though. With expansions it has enough meat on the bone to be passable, but the hidden VP, luck of the draw elements and general lack of interaction make it just a fun group activity rather than a tight game and it's very expensive for what it is.

>>96755385
I can think of a few people I know who are like that.

>>96755385
did the asian guy lose weight? good for him. the rest should do the same. why are americans so fat?

>>96749003 (OP)
ITS HERE

>>96756111
Looks self-published. Is this your game, Anon? Congrats!

>>96756167
It’s a nazi game. That’s what BGG says

>>96756177
how?

Maracaibo or Pirates of Maracaibo?

>>96756222
Neither
But if I had to pick one, Maracaibo is better

Mexica is so fun

Is SETI hard to learn

>>96753481
If you already checked it out and it's OOP you're probably shit out of luck, but I got it in an LGS in my shithole eastern yuropean country, so it doesn't have to "release" there specifically. Game stores often have suppliers they get their shit from and don't list everything they can get from them, so you can ask them if their suppliers have it. Got plenty of games that way.

>>96756222
Maracaibo is pretty good
Pirates of maracaibo somehow was a complete miss for me, it made everything that was good about maracaibo worse except that it plays quicker

>>96756936
Hard to answer. For someone who has never played a boardgame but monopoly or risk? Maybe.
If your group/you have played a few euros, it's a breeze. Rulebook is really excellent as is the rules reference. We onlyhad to look something up like 1 or 2 times in 5 games.

What board game do you own that has a lot of game in one box?

For example, HexPlore It Valley of the Undead King has a shitload of encounters, side quests, PC options, enemies, and the like, so while the main threat is the same each game, it's extremely unlikely any game you play will feel like it's the same giving you a lot of replay value while feeling fresh each time despite dozens of plays. Another example would be Pixel Tactics.

OP here. Hopefully someone can continue making these threads. My service here is done. I have other things to do now and I have less time than before. Thanks, guys!

>>96755916
>muh theme
well at least it's a bland game so you're still not missing out
>>96756222
pirates is a shit game
maracaibo is just boring
I think gwt is better, more fun and has a little more interaction

>>96754782
Based dice euro enjoyer

piña coladice is the best dice game i've played

>>96757467
really?

>>96754782
Lies.

>>96757402
Thank you for your service, anon
Appreciate it

>>96757358
Do you mean a lot of game in a box or a lot of variance? Might superficially seem like same thing, but I don't think that's the case. Anyway, I'll try to cover both
>Civolution
>Race for the Galaxy
>Pax Ren
>Agricola (with card draft)
>Argent the consortium
At least that's what comes to mind immediately

>>96757478
yeah, it's very well designed, the "board" (made of tiles) has a different configuration for each possible number of players, it uses familiar rules in an interesting way, and rounds are quick so it lends itself to be played multiple times a session

>>96757467
I've checked it out on bga after your shilling in >>96750921

Can totally see how it's addicting, it's very near a gambling game. Probably lotsa fun. But best dice game? Nah-
>Best dice game I've played
Ah I should really carefully read posts before typing something up. Which ones did you like best before this one?

>>96754782
>One of the garphill slop series is supposedly good
I'll bite. I've only played architects and paladins, and both were the same exact brand of ok I guess but I have no interest in playing more. What makes the south tigris series different?

>>96756167
>Fryxelius brothers are posting on /bgg/
Could actually see that tbqh

>>96757511
>Which ones did you like best before this one?
sagrada
can't stop
mountain goats

>>96757358
Sakura Arms, specifically the AEG edition : each player builds a deck from the card pool of two characters, and there are 7 character in this small box. So that's a lot of combinations.

>>96757522
Scholars is the best game in the series imo. It is heavier and has a lot more iconography and moving parts, but there's more interaction and more meaningful decisions and in general more polished than architects or paladins

>>96753119
I was going to attempt to pnp it as an anon posted their files a few threads ago. I was going to use solid pla 3d printed discs instead of wooden ones. Shouldn't change the gameplay too much, I'm hoping

>>96749003 (OP)
As an aside, for the next thread Q, I'm curious if anyone has any games in their collection that they've pnp'ed or if they have it on their to do list

>>96757358
Innovation

>>96757402
I don't mind filling in, just got a job with a lot if downtime, kek

>>96757629
Well I'll have to check it out if I have the time, then
>and in general more polished than architects or paladins
weird, I thought if anything architects had too much polish. I couldn't point out to you where the game fails for me. Cumulative rewards are a good idea combined with the capturing mechanic, the reputation and cathedral building are interesting, the builder(?) cards bring the variance....and yet I found it overwhelmingly bland, the "yeah I guess I'll play it with you without any enthusiasm" kind of game

>>96757893
I hereby name you sir bakealot, baker of the bakes, and suggest you place a piña coladice image for next thread's baking

>>96757511
>I've checked it out on bga after your shilling in
two different anons

All right fellas, give me your 3 favorite 2-player games.

>>96758544
Exceed, Summoner Wars, YINSH

>>96758544
Riftforce
Mindbug
Toy Battle
Innovation
>>96757865
I've PNP'd dozens of games. It's not something you should do unless you are broke or your time is worthless to you. Usually better off buying used and working OT.

Since there's alot of splaying involved in innovation, is it a bad idea to sleeve the cards? does splaying work better with unsleeved?

>>96758544
Akrotiri
Air, Land, & Sea
Puzzle Strike 2
Time Barons

>>96756111
>bought to you by the guy who saw the guy make terraforming mars

>>96758544
Twilight Struggle
Paths of Glory
Mage Wars Arena

>>96759125
I'm legit jealous if you have the time and playmates to regularly play these 3 ones.

>>96735387
Is the 1v1/2v1 expansion any good? I'd like to play this more but it's too hard to find 3 other players for a 3+ hour team game like this.

>>96758544
Pax Renaissance
Patchwork
Great Western Trail

>>96759361
well it's not a complex game, but a 14 yo is unlikely to have enough interest in pax ren to bother learning it

>>96759375
>Pax Ren is not a complex game

>>96750877
>>96750936
>>96750984
Solo modes exist for a player to learn and practice the rules before teaching a group. It's a warm up so you're not torturing 3 other people.

>>96759546
you can do that same exact thing by multihanding though, hell, it works much better than playing against some bot

>>96750877
>There are also solo only games than ever before.
sad reflection of society

>>96759579
Both are inferior to a full playgroup
Multihanding has its own cons, like information cleanliness.

>>96759588
Yes and no. I would have loved a good solo game when I was a kid living in the middle of nowhere.
I don't think that solo gaming is replacing multiplayer gaming, it just opens board games to new people, or allows people who already play multiplayer games, to play more.

>>96759612
i have no issues whatsoever with "information cleanliness" when I multihand, but even disregarding that, even if it were a real thing, if the point is to just learn the game so you can teach it, it still works alot better than playing against a bot, if nothing else because you're playing from more than one perspective

12 games in on Imperium (the card game) and still not bored yet. I think it's the one.

>>96759375
>>96759519
Pax Ren isn't hard to play, but there's a ton of game actions that make no fucking sense unless you can grasp it

>>96759670
for example...?

>>96759375
What is a complex game to you?

>>96756177
>That’s what BGG says
That's like quoting from reddit users

>>96759712
One with many moving parts, where before doing anything you have to consider that there are many ramifications to the outcome of your action, or with a game flow that changes depending on various conditions, or full of exceptions that aren't immediately intuitive (yes there are a couple of them but not that many)
In Pax Ren it's encouraged to take a look at the board state and maybe even give the other player(s) a glance before deciding what to do, sure, but there's still far less shit you have to be mindful of compared to more complex games, it's not hard to see what the other player can do on his upcoming turn, and there really aren't that many options on what you can do on yours (buy, play, sell, activate ops), each card is activated only once on ops activation, there are no weird ass combos... so no, in my opinion pax ren sits comfortably in the mid-weight class of complexity

>>96757511
>But best dice game? Nah
you can't just say that and not give us your pick for the best

>>96759853
>where before doing anything you have to consider that there are many ramifications to the outcome of your action, or with a game flow that changes depending on various conditions, or full of exceptions that aren't immediately intuitive
Wow you perfectly described Pax Renaissance, congratulations.

>>96759895
>pax ren
>there are many ramifications to the outcome of your action
not really, if you're playing a religious war / conspiracy / revolt oneshot, you easily know in advance if it'll win or not and if you win you get the empire card and place a concession, i don't see that many ramifications here and it's the least straightforward thing you can do
>game flow that changes depending on various conditions
when does this happen?
>full of exceptions that aren't immediately intuitive
like i said, the exceptions aren't that many

>>96759689
nta but I mean, for starters, any of the civil war actions. They just determine who is the attacker and who is the defender, and then you remove pieces 1 to 1 for each "side" of the conflict, and if you win you get the king, and if you already have it, you flip it over. One lets you flip to a theocracy if you win, one lets you flip a theocracy back to neutral if you win.
All of the rest of the individual actions in the game are simple to understand on their own. The complexity comes from the fact that there are a dozen actions, and no static win condition.

Pax Ren isn't a complex game from a systems perspective, the complexity is in understanding WHY you would do any of the actions at one point in time. It is much more difficult to understand WHY you would intentionally trigger a peasant revolt knowing you'd lose than it is to understand HOW to trigger a peasant revolt or what the outcomes of that action would be.

Most GMT war games with considerably lower complexity scores on BGG at the $60+ price point are more complex games than Pax Ren.

>>96759895
The only exception that people forget is which civil wars flip a map card and that queens give you an extra $2 when sold. Pax Ren is a lot of things but I would not call it a "high rules exceptions" game in the slightest.

>>96759946
>The complexity comes from the fact that there are a dozen actions, and no static win condition.
Yes but they're not all available to you at any given moment so you think on them as they come up, that's alot less overwhelming than having a massive list of things you can do and having to choose among all of them at all times
>Most GMT war games with considerably lower complexity scores on BGG at the $60+ price point are more complex games than Pax Ren.
there's very few useful statistics on bgg and complexity score isn't one of them, that's for sure
>>96759988
I used to forget that you cannot perform "vote" ops on a vassal

>>96749060
Las Vegas is better

Okay I swore there was a basic creature battler MtG lite game out there that had players using stickers/writing to modify the cards but all I can find is party games that are 99% blank.
Am I just confusing two games? I've never played any 'destructive' legacy game so I'm probably thinking about some review I saw

>>96759670
>Pax Ren isn't hard to play
I've emotionally hurt people teaching them Pax Ren anon. It's not hard to play after you've played it a half a dozen times, but it's very complex in both rules weight and abstract strategy. Don't kid yourself.

>>96759640
>you're playing from more than one perspective
Your really not, that's what information cleanliness is. One simply doesn't act the same way when there is no doubt.

>>96758544
>Warchest
>War of the Ring
>Toy Battle

But there's so many great ones it might change daily. Except wotr which might just be the best game period

>>96760200
maybe i'm mentally confusing a mtg unset and inscryption

>>96760227
if you're only trying to learn the game to teach it you don't need to "guess" what your "opponents" would do so doubt or no doubt you're still learning the game, better than with a bot because you're doing different things.
And I still have no issues with "information cleanliness" because I forget what the player has in his hand when I pass the turn to the next player

>>96749349
It's a dice as workers, worker placement with mechanicaly enforced blocking/backstabbing.

>>96760260
>still have no issues with "information cleanliness" because I forget what the player has in his hand when I pass the turn to the next player
Absolute chad, doesn't even care what an opponant does abd has

>>96760225
I was referencing in terms of actual play, it's not that difficult.

Making sense of your game actions and how to make them effective, that part is aids.

>>96759865
Civolution, I'd say. As for the light quick dicechucker slot... I still am looking for something that has some staying power. also Biblios feels like cheating

>>96760286
>doesn't even care what an opponant does abd has
That's... not what I said
Let's say it differently.
I'm multihanding. It's player 1's turn. He has this this and this, I do his turn according to what he would do and could reasonably think about others. I finish his turn and go to player 2. I forgot what player 1 had so I proceed normally without having any "information cleanliness" issues
Yeah I guess I'm built differently

>>96749003 (OP)
Personally i like d6s for sheer accessibility, and I've recently come around on d12s for how many dice they can be used to make. Id say the same for a d24 (adding the ability to make a d8 and d12 roll) but those are rare

>>96760225
Learning Pax Ren is hard because it feels like you are learning how to do a bunch of not-connected things and then the win conditions feel arbitrary once you know what the actions are. It is because there isn't an immediately understandable arc you follow between each of your actions, but understanding any individual piece of the game is pretty easy.
It is mostly complex because of the abstract nature of the game/strategy, not because of rules complexity.
>>96760361
Totally agree. Pax Ren is a giant pain in the ass to teach because you can't scaffold the rules onto the narrative. How is a German banker persuading the Ottomans to invade Mamluk for $2 and then immediately calling a vote to overthrow that ruler? It's easy to explain how to move the pieces on the board, but the why is the most difficult part to explain in the whole game.

>>96759931
The ramifications of your actions are the fact that one agent wrongly placed, one trade shift done at the right time, and literally anything else can create an avalanche in consequences in the long run and outcome of the game. You are equating procedure to complexity, which is a type of complexity, but not really a good example for the overall depth of a game.

>>96760260
No offense but if you "don't care" to guess or understand what a player would do to learn a game, then your teach is going to be really bad.
In order to teach well one should give some context as to why you'd take certain actions or why something would be benefitial to do, and to give a reason for the action to even exist.
if you only learn the system in order to spew it back to your table, not only they'll probably not get it at all, but most likely also hate you and the game for having them deal with that kind of explanation.

>>96760506
None of that is mechanically complex, and the conversation isn't about the depth of the game although I'd argue Pax Ren is an absurdly dense/deep game precisely because of what you said here.
The complexity of Pax Ren is more that none of the actions or win conditions really have any discernable relation to each other until you have played the entire game.

>>96758905
i haven't had an issue with sleeved cards for innovation

Anyone here like Caylus 1303? It seems like my kind of game. Interactive worker placement.

>>96760544
You're making weird leaps of logic, this whole thing started because somebody said that solo modes exist to practice and learn the game so that you can teach it better, I said that multihand does the same thing and better, then you started going on about information cleanliness
If you're multihanding you're most likely trying different strategies, moreso if it's a learning game. Since you're learning, you're most likely not already aware of the viable strategies, there's not much knowledge you can base your "doubts" and "guesses" about your opponents on
I don't know where you got this whole "don't care to understand what a player would do" thing from
>>96760613
it's kind of mediocre, where the interactivity lies is the buildings' ownership, the provost movement (which determines what buildings activate and what don't) and occasionally stealing powers, it's not that much more interactive than most modern WPs

>>96760581
What sleeves do you use? Do they still fit in the box?

>>96760613
it's worse than the original

>>96760741
NTA but mine don't fit in the insert and they just barely fit if I remove the insert and put the cards in 2 different baggies (so that they dont fly around inside the box)

>>96760613
I was kinda disappointed by it tbqh. Provost movement was not nearly as mean as I thought. Not bad a game, but I sold it after 4 plays.

>Civolution is still being shilled
Wait, I thought this was just a short /bgg/ side arc, was slop or not anon actually right?

>>96758544
Sakura Arms
War of the Ring
Paths of Glory

>>96760741
I use phantom sleeves, which are 100microns. I have the Ultimate edition, so everything fits in the box sleeved.

>>96759665
I either haven't had time or have sunk into a couch from exhaustion the free nights and as such have denied myself Imperium this past month and a half.
I miss it dearly.

show me the dice tray you are using, especially if it's nice looking

>>96761122
You’ve probably heard this already but play Star Trek Captain’s Chair if you haven’t.

>>96761371
it's oop

>>96761371
I'm only going to play it if I can hookup with t'pol, since that's all I'd be trying to do as captain

>>96761440
Yeah I had no idea how scarce this MF would become when I bought it. They have expansions in the works so I imagine they’ll reprint soon

>>96761724
Expansions are ready. They'll be out in December, I think. I guess the reprint in Q1 2026.

>>96760544
>if you only learn the system in order to spew it back to your table, not only they'll probably not get it at all, but most likely also hate you and the game for having them deal with that kind of explanation.
what kind of babies do you play with

I've given up on euros. I'm tired of needing to read a 20-page rulebook on how to micromanage VPs and lose on the first turn anyway, trapped at the table for another 2 hours.

I've given up on ameritrash. I'm tired of needing to read a 32-page rulebook on how to pretend I'm "negotiating" with other players and lose on the first turn anyway, rolling dice at the table for another 6 hours.

>>96759665
based, the only criticism I have is that sometimes games drag on for too long and sometimes your just doing clerical work to rush an endgame trigger. still love it.
>>96761371
i might get to it eventually but i just don't care about Star Trek. Still have a lot of game left in Imperium though. You think they'll ever make a new set?

>>96762148
>lose on the first turn anyway
literally impossible with ameritrash thoughbeit, that's one of the main appeals.

>>96762164
yeah and what eurogame allows you to lose on the first turn? besides splotters but I don't really count them as euros

any game that punishes you for first turn/early game mistakes is shit desu. people complain about how Risk is determined in the first 20 minutes and then takes 4 hours to finish, then go play a goat collecting simulator that has the same issue.

You can lose turn 1 in Dune if you're up against an experienced Harkonnen, forgot about that since I never played it again kek.

>>96762128
>>96762148
>>96762155
>>96762164
>>96762171
>>96762210
>>96762233
All me btw

You can lose from the very instant the game starts in Dune if the Bene Gesserit just guess the correct 2 cards

You can lose from the moment you regret setting up the board game and pack everything up immediately

>>96762251
this is me everytime my friend tries to break out the 4 hour euro.

>>96762239
>96762155
that one isn't even talking about this "euro - american" thing, dude, leave him out of this shit
>>96762210
>>96762253
what happened, did your friend group ditch you because you threw a tantrum over them wanting to play a 2 hour game that's not about throwing dice and leaving literally everything to chance?

>>96760503
tl;dr
>it's not complex it's convoluted

>>96749284
seems to be a foolproof business plan tbqh

>>96752871
jealous of you

>>96750545
there is no flicking persay but klask is the best accessible dexterity game ever devised.

>>96762240
Yet another way Dune: The Dice Game is superior.

Any tactics fags here with recs with a focus on positioning? I feel like the scant few I played it devolves into constantly checking distance, LoS, or an ability of some character way off the board all paired with inoffensive dice chucking or card bluffing. It's hard not drawing parallel to the vidya side of things where so many indie games pump them out with very little to differentiate or excite.
Gloomhaven should have been a hit, absolutely despised it. Bloodstones was good, but didn't scratch the itch. Others just use lanes which does nothing for me (still haven't tried Doomrock though).
Have a nagging feeling I may have to drift into the wargame side of things but at that point I'd probably be stock playing it two handed

>>96762518
Relatedly, I keep seeing Granblue starter boxes go on ""sale"" and I'm quietly reminded why I want to stay far, far away from the miniature$ side of things

>>96762525
I remember my LGS bought a bunch of this. No clue if they moved any of it.

Thoughts on Transamerica?
>>96758544
Azul, Lost Cities, Dominion, sorry to be basic. Also Arkham Horror LCG desu. The best game for couples play

>>96762743
>Transamerica
Oh it's so good that I'm living in it irl

>>96762518
Wildlands is great. If you don't mind sports Blitzbowl and Grind are fun. If you aren't tied to pure combat, maybe Stationfall? If you aren't allergic to big stacks of chits/blocks, there are tons of great wargames out there.

>>96762743
I would sooner play TransAmerica than 20th Century Limited.
And I would sooner play either of them than Ticket to Ride.

>>96762164
lol, 1 bad roll in some ameritrash and you might as well not play the 3 hours of the game that remain.

>>96763234
>some ameritrash
name and shame, anon
name and shame

>>96763358
Axis and Allies

>>96762164
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tpZ5HB4ZsY

>>96762171
Netherlands btfo

>>96763234
lol if you give up that easily for sure, that's how you make people turn you down for future plays, might as well stick with solitaire games with that kind of mentality.

Controversial bgg opinion, there's nothing wrong with Ticket to Ride.

>>96763794
It's a very fun game, my only problem with it is that the winner usually seems kinda random. It's a small problem though because the game is enjoyable anyway

>>96763794
>there's nothing wrong with Ticket to Ride
If you're a female.

>>96763794
I think it's a really solid gateway game. Dead simple, fast turns, nice mix of luck and strategy. Is it my favorite? Far from it. Do I dislike it, or would turn down an opportunity to play it? Absolutely not, I've played at least 30 games of TTR.
But I do think the 1910 expansion is essential. I'm VERY aggressive in ticket grabbing, with base only I've cycled out the deck.

Thoughts on the American Psycho game?

>>96763794
As long as you play Europe.

>>96764229
looks like licensed slop not popular enough for someone to even make a TTS mod.

>>96762518
not a fan of Summoner Wars? maybe Undaunted?
less polished, but I also like AEGIS

>>96764329
I hate Tunnels

release date when?

>>96764556
>pulls out the Switzerland map

There's been a lot of good, light 2p games coming out recently, what gives
>Pina coladice
>Castle combo
>Toy battle

Tbf you could play two of these with 3-4 but I think they loose a lot of competitiveness in the process and become run of the mill filler games

>>96765081
>castle combo
overcomplicated mess

>>96765188
How could it possibly be overcomplicated?
>Take 1 out of 3 cards from current row and pay for it
>Pay key, refresh row and then take 1 out of 3 cards and pay for it
>Switch row and take 1 out of 3 cards and pay for it
>Take a card facedown from current row and get coins and keys
>Adjust card you got in a 3x3 grid, new cards must be placed adjacent to previous ones
>Once everyone has 9 cards, score them according to the criteria on the cards
>That's almost the entire game

>>96765237
see? It uses less components than say, dale of merchants and takes longer to explain

While I get it, it is jarring seeing Plaid Hat reuse their Crystal Clans art assets for Summoner Wars.
It is the same artist after all, and the choices so far fit the assigned faction, but I make a double take every time.

>>96765477
interesting, did not realise they edited out the crew from the art.

>>96763794
why would that be a controversial opinion?
>>96765422
not the anon you replied to, but:
>game where you can optionally do one thing (spend a key), then must do one out of 2 actions (buy card or get flipped card)
>game where you have to manage a hand of cards and have to choose one among 4 distinct actions (buy, play a technique, make a stack, discard) and some things give you more actions
>the first game "takes longer to explain" than the second one
I know that 9 out of 10 users that say "overcomplicated mess" are either complete, unironic retards or unfunny people who take the explanation, no matter how curt or plain it is, as a confirmation that it is indeed an "overcomplicated mess", but come on

>>96765529
okay yeah you're right it just doesn't click right with me as a tableau builder

>>96765491
>>96765477
It's kind of weird. My gut reaction is that this is chaep and faggy, but honestly I get it and it really doesn't matter if it fits

anyone here play Maquis? I've been wanted to get it for some time but been put off thinking it's a one-time puzzle that has no replayability once you solve it. Is my perception correct? Is Resist! a better option if i want a solo game based on similar themes?

>>96750144
Grand Austria Hotel with the Allez Waltz expansion gets pretty heavy. There's asymmetric player powers and alternate shared boards. It's also great base or base + skeleton key module at 4 players.

>>96749201
/bgg/ers are so scared of giving Wehrle his flowers that they have to say his games are created by accident.

>>96759361
For reference, the MLP Deckbuilding game is also 14+

>>96766876
Understandable, given his track record

>>96760752
>mine don't fit in the insert and they just barely fit if I remove the insert
Are you talking about the 4th edition or the ultimate?

>>96766876
didnt he say in one of his blogs or interviews that what we now call Blighted Reach was the original idea and only after making some amount of it did he figure out "hey this core action card system is neat enough to be it's own game" so he started removing from the original concept until he got the trim and slim game we now call Base Arcs?

>>96767663
Dunno which edition this is, but it's not the Ultimate

>>96767711
looks like second edition
third is the one with square icons and fourth is like third but more fancy and ultimate is the big box

Speaking of Innovation, I have the 4th edition and have trouble shutting the box after sleveing the cards.
Is there a "deck box" or something to store cards but also allows me to store the bigger reference cards?

>>96756981
>>96759361
>>96767046
At this point are people genuinely surprised that boxes lie about playtime and difficulty?

>>96765477
>tfw waiting for the localization of the latest 10-12 factions in my language.

>>96768277
Bosox should have how much table space it takes up too

>>96768461
Boxes*

>>96768461
That would actually be so fucking smart.

Bros I love Dominant Species. I've played it for like 15 years and I still enjoy every game of it I play.

>>96768565
I played it 3 times and really love it but it's hard to get everyone to play. Have you tried the Marine version?

>>96768620
I haven't. From what I understand it's lighter than the original, so I'm immediately less interested in it.

Got my ticket for Essen next week. Gonna look for some casual games that I can play with a rotating group of friends, should take less than ten minutes to explain. Any suggestions for what stands to check out?
https://www.spiel-essen.de/de/die-spiel/hallenplaene

>>96768461
I'd say I agree, but also boxes already lie so they'd lie about that too

>>96768685
no matter where you end up going try swinging by the CMON table in hall 5, i wanna know what happened to my kickstarter order and they're not responding ty my emails

>>96768811
What do you want me to say? "Anon from /bgg/ sent me, time to die"?

>>96768655
It's supposed to be shorter and plays better at lower player count. That's what interests me - the potential to get it played more.

>>96768699
It'd be much harder to lie about footprint, though

forever tempted to buy all the mage wars arena content

>>96768685
Man, I don't go to many conventions as much I used to. Have fun anon

Besides Essen are there any notable, worthwhile conventions in Europe?

>>96766295
There's an app you can play for free, I think. Objectives vary from game to game so what do you mean by "solve it"? About the other game, I prefer the Witchcraft one.

>>96749201
>Probably wherle's best and I'm not surprised it was basically created by accident
It was even better before.

Lots of mid shit in the top 100...

>>96768685
Post some photos when you're there if you can :)

>>96769090
this is the second time you posted someone else's youtube comment and didn't elaborate on it. being lazy does not create good discussion.
How was Arcs better "before"? Before what? What's wrong with the game now? If you can't answer those questions, never ever post that image again.

>>96769090
>>96769119
I'll also add I've seen my friend lose 8 out of 8 combats he had in the game badly and still won because he picked and chose his battles very carefully.

>>96768965
There's one in France in February. Same city as the famous film festival (Cannes).

>>96768910
I want to pnp it. Do you think it's feasible?

>>96769119
I will post it every time anyone mentions that game. I won't elaborate. Hope that helps.

>>96769163
printing the cards is pretty easy. anything else, not too sure how to go about that

>>96768655
I don't know that it's lighter, it just takes out a lot of the programming. It's a real solid game still.
>>96768820
That would be great, thanks. Can you also shout "Wrath of Kings is avenged!" as you hoist some vendor's head in the air?
>>96769090
>a 200$ mistake I'll never make again
Wow, you aren't going to buy a second copy of Arcs? I can smell Werhle's flesh sizzling from here, bro

>>96769168
>I will be retarded everytime someone makes me present an argument. Please don't interact withe for I am not used to being a human
Ok retard, you do you, post all the irrelevant youtube comments you want, this is theast (you) you get

In other news, I bought all 4 dale of merchants (unpunched, in shrink wrap) for 50 euros. What am I in for?

>>96769403
You in for a very chill time.
Until everyone else is at 7 stalls and you are at six and when did i fall behind in tempo why did my purchases not match shitJerry stole my five aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh

>>96769403
Calling someone else retarded (even rightfully so) only to go on and do the classic "I just purchased X, what am I in for" is kinda rich tbqh

>>96769403
>just consoom slop mindlessly bro
why are europeans so retarded?

Before the usual burger vs euro shitthingy happens, I've noticed a friend from the us riffle shuffles fucking everything while basically every european I know uses some version of the hindu shuffle.
Is this a cultural thing or just coincidence?

>>96769082
thanks for both those suggestions. and by "solve it" i meant there was one solution to the puzzle you have to find. i'll try the digital version

>>96769168
Based

>>96769608
I would never let anyone riffle shuffle my games

>>96769403
>In other news, I bought all 4 dale of merchants (unpunched, in shrink wrap) for 50 euros
I don't think that was worth it, what are you going to do with 4 copies of the same meme filler game?

>>96768277
I've found playtime to be reasonably accurate when players are brisk. Or rather, if your games take longer than the box suggests it's usually your fault.

>>96769608
pretty sure most eurofags have paper based cards even if it's just plastic overcoats
good ol usa we go plastic and we go hard

>>96769608
yall need to wash shuffle

>favorite dice game
Brew and Bang
>luck in games
Part of what makes life and games interesting is the preparation towards chaos. Unless you aren't given tools to mitigate it, randomness is exciting
> underrated game
BREW
>

With gold above 4300 and silver at 54, is anyone else getting nervous when they use real coins on game night? I'd hate to switch to something else, since they provide a real touch of authenticity.

>>96771279
I use ass pennies for everything, never regretted making the switch.

>>96771322
Do you live in Nebraska by any chance?

>>96771348
Missouri, you've probably handled a few.

>>96768277
>approximations of vauge unmeasurable thresholds
>can't ever be correct
>IT'S A LIE REEEEEEE
never change /bgg/

>>96771356
Seems unlikely, the only time I go to Missouri is to collect change from the gumball machines I own there

>>96771279
There's a second coinfag in this general? I thought I was the only one. I just use generic aftermarket metal coins my local game store carries.

>>96771477
They're so much lighter and feel cheap, though

>>96771542
Yeah, but I'm not dumping actual silver into a board game box. Too much money involved, I'd rather keep it safe and hidden away.

coins? old and busted
chips? played out
plaques? too nouveau
I'm going to make a set of board gaming taels.

>>96769090
I'm someone who actually likes to play monopoly, so these complaints are hilarious. Just roll with things.

Maybe a random question but what's your favorite game with a sea-relatad theme (fishing, wild life, ships, submarines, diving, etc)?

>>96771957
Fields of Arley. You're trying to push back the sea by building dykes, then dry it down to a farmland.

>>96771957
Navegador

>>96771984
That's Lowlands?

>>96769463
Very cool anon, can't wait

>>96769498
I can only infer what my real experience is going to be based on the limited plays I have on TTS, I was looking for specific examples of fun stuff that happened to other anons, stuff that can't really come up in a socially agnostic environment, that I should expect to experience.

>>96769528
Why do you call it slop? Every review says it's the next step up from Dominion. And the game itself is pretty good. Tons of replayability too.

>>96770353
Mix and match critters from one set to another and play with the characters from Collection into sets from the first game. Plus, I did kinda need some more mechanic-based filler for my table. Shame it's only 4p max though.

>>96769608
Maybe the cards here (and i mean the standard 52 card decks) are of lower quality than in america, because I can't riffle shuffle them after days of trying. So i can understand why most here don't do it and instead do the slide shuffle thing as it's easier to do with crappy cards.

>>96769608
I don't think ive ever seen a hindu shuffle, here in italy most people do a mash shuffle, sometimes pile.
I've only seen a riffle in tv and videos and I'd never let anyone do that to my cards

>>96772906
They don’t sell Bicycle cards in Europe? Should be easy with a pack of those

>>96773084
Mash shuffle? Is that possible with non-sleeved cards?

How do you people shuffle your cards when it’s like a million cards like Ark Nova?

>>96773379
I always sleeve my cards so i dunno
If they're unsleeved i'd probably try hindu shuffle, seems far less damaging than riffle

>>96773406
So most people in Italy sleep their cards?

>>96773419
If it's actual board games and not traditional card games I'd say so, though I know a few that don't sleeve, but I've seen them mash shuffling even with unsleeved, never riffle

>>96773387
make smaller decks, mash shuffle, then mash shuffle between the decks

>>96771957
Endeavor: Deep Sea
Dead Reckoning

>>96773406
This study looks at the overhand shuffle but the overhand shuffle and the Hindu shuffle are essentially interchangeable.
The ceremony for how you hold and manipulate the cards is different but the way the cards are reordered is the same.

That disclaimer aside, here is the study: https://www2.math.upenn.edu/~pemantle/papers/overhand2.pdf
tl;dr that shuffle is dogshit.

I need to listen to the Bullet soundtrack more often

>>96773387
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRkXIiYZjUU

Tranime board game discussion should be moved to /a/ because that's where all tranime belongs. I shouldn't have to worry that someone I'm replying to could be a tranime freak.

>>96774244
Consider that you are hating trannies, anime is just a proxy

>>96773387
I don't shuffle all the cards, just what we actually used shuffled with a roughly equal amount of unused cards, then seeded back into the deck in 2 or 3 groups.

In my frantic culling I've realized that I'm lacking fillers, out of 23 games I only have 3, 7 Wonders, Startups (which i'm also trying to sell off) and Azul
Any suggestions for fillers, that plays well at 3-5 players, no shitty party games, not longer than 30 minutes to finish up an evening?
Among the games i've sold (across a couple years), the fillers I previously owned are:
Between 2 cities, Bullet, Cascadia, Cat in the box, Century spice road, Century eastern wonders, Condottiere, The Crew, Cryptid, High Society, Love Letter, Panda Spin, Paper Tales, Project L, San Juan, Skull King, Splendor

>>96774334
I hate all mental illness in all forms

>>96775166
>Century spice road, Century eastern wonders, Cryptid, Love Letter, Splendor
Why get rid of these?
These are the hooks that catch new boardgamers.

>>96775166
From what I gather you simply don't like fillers and that's fine, you don't need to have them.

>>96775166
equinox

>>96775166
I wouldn't classify even half of those as fillers. But maybe because my definition of filler is somewhat loosely 'sub 15 min lightweight game with (almost) no competitive element or balance aka stupid fun'

>>96775912
I agree with you. Light game and filler are not necessarily the same. Uno is a filler, Azul is a light game.

New meme

>>96776612
>>96776612
>>96776612

>>96769608
I use a $6 faro shuffler from walmart. No problems with it, perfect shuffle everytime.

>tq
These green dice are my favorite dice. I only have 3 of them and have been searching for more for nearly a decade now. Have no idea where they came from. They are this 14mm, smaller than a standard 16mm dice shown in red, larger than your classic small 12mm dice. I wish more dice were made this size, its the best balance of hand feel and rolling, taking all the good things about the 16 and 12mm dice into one.
The only thing close to them I have ever seen are the gamesworkshop killteam 1st edition starter set dice, shown here in black, and their limited edition store prize version shown in inverted colors.

>>96775166
>23 games
>frantic culling
sounds like you need a better storage solution. that's nowhere near enough to fill out the various niches, mechanisms, but whatever

Modern Art and King of New York are in the filler category for me, wouldn't say no to a game of either from time to time