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>Thread Question: Do you think about CYOAs during your time out and about?

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>>96749449
Why did this get so few builds? Are anons readiest?

>>96749474
I'm a slow builder.

>>96749474
I'm shy...

>>96749474
It seems like many people are confused about certain matters in the cyoa and are holding off on posting their builds until their doubts are cleared.

>>96749449
Is it me or does the line at the bottom imply that Caine had something to do with this? (yes I know it's a LOTR reference)

>>96749474
I'm still recovering...

>>96749474
It isn't very fun
I have not seen the world from it's original source and the cyoa doesn't really flesh anything out, So they are all just bland gimmick people
Also the power picking is quite convoluted, and the entire curse segment is mostly superfluous
It winds up being very dense to read and not very rewarding

>>96749449
Ventrue Hotelier

>Generation
Medieval - 6th Generation

>Realization
Not of This World

>Clan & Sect
Ventrue (Camarilla)

>Unnatural Embrace
Mark of Caine (Protean), Ideal Vessel, Sanguine Resilience

>A Cursed Being
The Sun (Tier III), Fire (Tier III), Manifestation (Tier III), Rare Taste for Blondes (Tier II)

>Blood Powers
Celerity (Ancilla), Dominate (Elder), Fortitude (Elder), Potence (Ancilla), Presence (Elder), Protean (Ancient - Mark of Caine)

>Attributes
Mind+ and Social

>Abilities
Expression, Intimidation, Leadership, Subterfuge, Etiquette

>My Sire
Traits & Personality: Preferred Sex, Attractive, Influential+, Possessive Protectiveness, Gregarious
Circumstances: Loving Embrace, Feeder, Power Play
Attributes: Mind, Social+, Appearance
Abilities: Alertness, Awareness, Empathy, Expression, Leadership, Subterfuge, Etiquette, Finance, Investigation, Law
Disciplines: Celerity (Ancilla), Dominate (Elder), Fortitude (Elder), Potence (Ancilla), Presence (Ancient)
Relationship Goal: Indeterminant

>Candidates
Blood Doll: Mercedes Bulgari
Ghouls: Bartholomew, Samantha, Dick, Amelia, Egor

>Contacts
Hansel, Calvin, Benjamin, Sarah, Arwa, Ezekiel, Samael

>First Nights
Attitude: Competent
First Impressions: Klutz

>Power Projection
Favor 20 or More, Fame 20 or More, Notoriety 5 to 10, Wealth 10 to 19

>Dark Gifts
Sanctified Business (Hotel), Hotel (Amelia Patrizi), Hunting Grounds, Private Herd

>Chronicles
A Summoning Most Foul (Grasp the Power), The Heist (Sell It), Shades in the Night (Banished)

Somewhat comfy Ventrue build. I want to sit back and relax using my vast wealth and budding influence, manage my hotel, and scheme around with my hot overprotective Primogen lady. Simple as.

>>96749474
I hate the """companions""".

>>96749608
Why? They have personalities, they have powers you can look up, they have plot hooks...

>>96749610
He hates them because they aren't glorified onaholes ready to suck him off.

>>96749686
They actually are if he Ghouls them, those fuckers get so addicted to your blood they will do anything for a hit. The most proud of them will absolutely suck your dead flaccid dick for a hit of that sweet vitae heroin once you've had them around long enough.

>>96749585
What does it not flesh out from the world? Its fair if you dont find it fun because you cant instantly win and are a cursed being, but I dont see what exactly is missing in info.

>>96749485
Whats the confusion? Kinda hard for the author to address it if its not shared.

>>96749695
What?
What did I ever say about the powers being lacking?
Also you missed 4 '
I don't plan on rereading so I don't actually remember the questions I had

>>96749686
to be fair that's the primary goal of companions
you can pad things out, but at the end of the day it's all about the image and whether or not they align with your fetishes

>>96749715
4? What? I just found it funny that you accused it of being "dense to read", but not fleshing anything out.

In a world dominated by psychics and unexplained phenomenon exposed to the public. What percent of the waifu options should be: Extrasensory Lifeforms (Aliens/Extrasensory/Mutant) vs. Human Psychics.

Thoughts on companions having their own unique individual drawback because Psychics are just built different and have their own self-absorbed actions/quirks they do sometimes, you can't really change it but you can narrative-wise wrangle it.

What is a good M to F ratio?

>>96749734
>What percent of the waifu options should be: Extrasensory Lifeforms (Aliens/Extrasensory/Mutant) vs. Human Psychics.
90% non-humans, 10% humans. Humans are boring.
>Thoughts on companions having their own unique individual drawback because Psychics are just built different and have their own self-absorbed actions/quirks they do sometimes, you can't really change it but you can narrative-wise wrangle it.
Depends entirely on execution.
>What is a good M to F ratio?
Considering you highlighted this is a waifu section, a good 80% female, unless you're open to using traps/femboys in which case you can move that down to 70%.

>>96749723
You're actually genuine serious with those statements? You know there is a /trash/ thread for your kind right?

>>96749733
Having very little information and being hard to read often go hand in hand
You can take as many words as you like to say nothing

>>96749429 (OP)
>Thread Question: Do you think about CYOAs during your time out and about?

Yes, imagining the absolute clusterfuck of an OR outer tide where no one is on the same pag is fun

Like you have three different guys trying to romance 00 all of them northerners with one maybe being a royal incest baby, seven or so fuckers trying to claim the Exarchate, some people trying to wake up Vtorusha and some guy is doing a mage cult in archaia

I have no idea if this is accurate to any of the worlds that's been saved but the thought of it is funny to me

>>96749764
Its a pretty classic "non-criticism" quip. Just say you dont fancy the flavor or it isn't your type of cyoa. Much easier that way.

>>96749771
Impossible, as the second tide was heavily regulated. 10 persons per world max, no overlap of any kind.

>>96749723
I, personally, find the text to be more helpful when everything is generic anime schlock.

>>96749779
2/5

>>96749775
No
You are given curses in the sire section. The power section starts talking about dots and then completely drops them, without particularly explaining whether they represent talent or skill (It includes implications to both)

>>96749789
3/5

>>96749610
Their "plot hooks" are nothing burgers. There's little way to guess what most of them want other than assuming generic clan tropes, most of which are so broad or non-applicable that the contacts are complete mysteries even if you assume them to be complete archetypes. What the fuck do the likes of Nemen, Maria, Caspar, Serica, and Samael want? Could be anything. The relevant part about them is always cut off right before it comes up.

>>96749802
4/5

>>96749798
>The power section starts talking about dots and then completely drops them
NTA but the use of dots refer to how you measure power in the actual TTRPG. It' exclusion is fine since you get corresponding labels (Ancilla, Elder, etc.) for reference anyway. It was just a nod.
>without particularly explaining whether they represent talent or skill (It includes implications to both)
Anon, please...
>"Potency is a measure of a Vampire's proficiency and raw power in a given Discipline."

>>96749809
5/5

Been feeling like I want to make the sequel badly lately. Conquer the Continent must rise from the ashes.

>>96749798
Not even sure what it is you're complaining about anymore. Talent or skill? Its a power. You get the power as described. I suppose dots are compared to give you an idea of what you can do beyond that.

>>96749813
But then why do the old vampires have stronger powers?

>>96749819
Because they're older and closer to Caine? Dude... come on. Its literally explained on page 1.

>>96749819
In-lore, the potency of their blood refers to how "close" they are to Caine, the Original Vampire and 1st Generation.
From a broader perspective, old = stronger has long been a staple for fantasy, like DnD with Ancient Dragons. So I'm not sure why that's perplexing.

>>96749449
I find it funny (and bad) how the last 4 dots are lumped together in one category (ancient) when they have the greatest gaps in power. Did sylen run out of space lol?

>>96749449

>Who Did This?
Ancient - 4th Gen

>The Awakening:
Not of this World

>Clan(Roll 5):
Brujah

>Allegiance(Roll 13):
Anarch Movement

>Unnatural Embrace(Unlock):
Bound Willpower, Repentance of the Beast, Sanguine Resilience

>Curses:
Manifestation Tier 3, Fire Tier 3, The Sun Tier 2, Temper Tier 1, Addiction Tier 1

>Disciplines:
Celerity Ancient, Potence Elder, Presence Elder, Fortitude Neonate, Auspex Neonate, Obfuscate Fledgeling

>Thaumaturgy:
Path of Blood Rank 2(Starter)

>Traits and Personality:
Preferred Sex, Traditional, Impressionable+, Influential, Prankster, Envious (Presence), Gregarious, Possessive Protectiveness

>Behind the Curtains:
Loving Embrace, Feeder, Powerplay, Mark of the Hunter, Turf Wars+, Promised to Another

>Relationship Goals:
Indeterminant

>Attributes:
Mind+

>Abilities:
Alertness(Free), Brawl, Subterfuge, Survival

>Attitude:
Competent

>First Impressions:
Klutz

>Candidates:
Edward Rook(Ghoul)
Amelia Pain(Blood Doll)
Samantha Marsh(Ghoul)
Sydney Silvers(Blood Doll)
Ronaldo Bandini(Ghoul)
Mercedes Bulgari(Blood Doll)
Victoria Caulfield(Blood Doll)

>Contacts:
Verona Arcadi(Unlock Thaumaturgy)
Benjamin Colbert
Sarah Neumann
Noel Collins
Minerva
Cristina Marin
Amanda Neumann

>Dark Gifts:
Drug Lab(Edward Rook, Ronaldo Bandini), Police Department(Drug Lab), Hunting Grounds, Private Herd, Hidden Castle

>Power Projection
Favor: 25
Fame:20
Notoriety:8
Wealth:10

>Chronicles:
The Thing in the Woods(Put it Down)
Coven of Woe(Snitch)
A Summoning Most Foul(Grasp the Power)

>Post Chronicles Powers
Disciplines:
Celerity Ancient, Potence Ancient, Presence Elder, Fortitude Elder, Auspex Neonate, Obfuscate Neonate

Thaumaturgy:
Path of Blood Rank 3
Countermagic Rank 1

So here's my shopping list, just went for a powerfag build. Celerity,Potence,Fortitude, Presence at high level and some auspex,obfuscate plus thaumaturgy to round up the build. Just a good focus on speed,strength,durability and charisma.
Rolled on Clan, landed on Brujah.

>>96749832

>Sire Profile
Disciplines:
Celerity Ancient, Presence Ancient, Fortitude Ancient, Obfuscate Ancient, Potence Elder, Auspex Ancilla

>Attributes:
Body+, Social, Mind, Appearance+

>Abilities:
Alertness(Free), Athletics(Free), Expression(Free), Empathy(Free), Etiquette(Free)
Brawl, Meelee, Stealth, Intimidation, Leadership, Survival, Investigation, Occult

>>96749828
Its perplexing because anon is trying to sound really smart about why he doesn't like the cyoa, when in truth its just not his type of cyoa. Its fine. You dont have to like cyoa where you dont instantly win. Its okay that you can only get into cyoa where you're a demigod from the getgo.

Look at the oc received over the last 3 years. Only oc that lets you be immortal and at least start you adventure with godlike powers or close to get more than ten builds. Its a tired, but stable trope for tg cyoa. Oh, and you cant have challenging drawbacks either, we dont do that here.

>>96749449
Vampires are literally built to be hunted and culled by werewolves.
Imagine living such a cucked existence as a parasite that needs the blood of others to survive.
Lol. Lmao.

>>96749861
>t. Mutt
Go back to the woods and lick each others' asses, Dog.

>>96749853
Stop intruding my safe space.

>>96749815
>Been feeling like I want to make the sequel badly lately. Conquer the Continent must rise from the ashes.
Would it have an army builder kind of thing in it?
I fucking love army building/minion picking segments in CYOAs. I'm always imagining up battles and wars in head, it's what I live for.

>>96749698
My nigga questions are being asked in every thread since it was posted and are ignored. My guess is that Sylen did a Tank and went redditing or just didn't give a fuck anymore.

>>96749449
Is lvl4 Bardo just instant win in all fights against vampires?

>>96749861
VtM vampires start weaker but have a way higher cap that werewolves, a single Methuselah can solo any werewolf in WoD.
>>96749964
High Fortitude could tank it I'm guessing. No to mention Counter Magic Blood Sorcery.

>>96749853
You are being really specific about me and I don't get it
Firstly, we are speaking about a cyoa where you are ageless by default and can become basically a demigod, this is not a low power situation. I do not care for omnipotence in cyoa
Secondly, I just don't like the way it was written. Why is this such a hard thing for you to understand?
I played the earlier version and it was okay. not good or memorable, but ok. This version is worse

Actually I don't think I'll respond to you anymore after this, so you don't need to understand or listen to any of that
Have a nice night, sleep well etc

>>96749825
>>96749828
Methuselah is the name of a character in the bible who was really old
Because the generations already had names and could be easily referenced, I would have assumed Methuselah was a title for very old vampires, regardless of generation
If it takes an average of 50 years for a vampire to sire another vampire, and we estimate that vampires started about 6000 years ago, we should have 120 generations of vampires. I presume that thinbloods are meant to be "Infertile" so we wouldn't actually have any 120th generation entities, but still, a large number of strugglers making it over 1000 years despite being 7th generation is to be expected (Actually in most real situations the ability to make people explode with your mind or whatever would lower your average life expectancy as you used it, but I am assuming this works on fictional logic)
I guess not
Was that explained in the cyoa?
It doesn't matter really

>>96750021
>Secondly, I just don't like the way it was written. Why is this such a hard thing for you to understand?
There you go. You didn't have to elaborate beyond that.

>>96749587
>>96749832
Naisu Builderu's

>>96749777
Hence, Imagine

>>96750064
Do you have any specific builds or specific fights in your imagination?

>>96749474
The best build is undoing your vampirism and becoming a mage.
That's lame for a vampire cyoa.

>>96750119
AFAIK you can't plan to become a mage.

>>96750127
The spiritual journey required for Path to Golconda would give you pretty high odds.

>>96750119
You either become 8th gen and try that or become 5th gen to be the most vampire you can.

>>96749861
Megan Ward description talk about psychic power, how good are hers and could I have more info on psychic in that setting in general ?

>>96749861
How much trouble are the complications that give you enemies, the one that give 1 look manageable, but I can't quite judge how bad Anathema, Dragon and Blood War are ?
I assume the Shrine with a lot of Advantage and having the magic or warrior women like Saoi and Sabrina would be enough to deal with it, maybe Minerva too.

>>96749429 (OP)
>Thread Question: Do you think about CYOAs during your time out and about?
Yes, often. I saw a dream last night where I had to choose a set of teeth for myself. There were 2 options. I don't remember the 1st option, but in the 2nd option, the teeth were oddly shaped and clustered, a bit like roden teeth, a bit like toothpicks, a bit like razor blades. I decided that however bad it is, it's still better than the 1st option and now these were my teeth. There were no vampiric elements to it, but it was still definitely because of the VtM cyoa.

>>96749429 (OP)
If I am making a build then definitely, but otherwise only occasionally
I also occasionally have ideas for writing some but they never become cyoas (Or haven't yet I suppose)

>>96749474
What others have said, it’s not particularly fun to play and it’s often written in a way that fucks up your flow. I shouldn’t have to stop and start multiple times to figure out what the author means. Plus some sections are clearly out of order. It took me about a day and a half to read through then make a build, but I don’t even feel like posting it at this point.

>>96749739
>unless you're open to using traps/femboys
The CYOA isn't made for Reddit.

>>96750586
I'm sure your reddit anime cyoa is very different, anon.

>>96749474
For me it's just worse than the first version. The curses are now boring and forced, there is no reason to be lower gen unless you want one very specific power or you want to just not be a vampire anymore, Sylen didn't even bother to reorder the pages or fix the narrative, he added a bullshit unpickable option to the only Sylen cyoa that didn't have one so it's worse by default. As of right now I see no reason in making a build since it would just have all the curses regardless of gen and it would be just functionally the same as some random guy that picks the same clan and gen as me. You can do some interesting stuff but with how restrictive the curses are it's not worth it. Half of the curse page is also useless, why does Sun have a level 1? there is no way to pick that since EVERYONE gets the bane version and at most you can lower it to 2 with Repentance. The old curse section was much better, that alone would make me make a build if it went back to how it was.

>>96750586
Is this still spam 4chan?

>>96749734
>What is a good M to F ratio?
100% F, the rest don't even get a read anyway.
Companions with drawbacks are dumb, you already have to give up power to get them, now you also have to deal with bullshit because of them? Not worth it.

>>96749734
>In a world dominated by psychics and unexplained phenomenon exposed to the public. What percent of the waifu options should be: Extrasensory Lifeforms (Aliens/Extrasensory/Mutant) vs. Human Psychics.
In-between: 100% of the waifus should be humans except with extremely large heads, to facilitate psychic powers. The waifus with the most powerful psychic powers are immobile, or need their head to be carted around.
>Thoughts on companions having their own unique individual drawback because Psychics are just built different and have their own self-absorbed actions/quirks they do sometimes, you can't really change it but you can narrative-wise wrangle it.
Very good idea.
>What is a good M to F ratio?
1:10000. The powerful yet horny psychic waves from the heads of the psychic waifus, drained the other 9999 males to death. It was the saddest event in history. The waifus regretted what had happened, but what's done is done. The remaining men are kept in locked facilities, where their diet and exercise regimen is carefully monitored, and the waifus try to be less horny now.

>>96750654
>1:10000.
Not in the world, in the ompanion section.

>>96750662
Then 1:5. It makes sense that with males being so rare now, you'd be bros with the other remaining males.

>>96750211
Wouldn't be a Thinblood be better for becoming a mage? You get alchemy, but maybe you don't get to keep it?

>>96750632
>why does Sun have a level 1? there is no way to pick that since EVERYONE gets the bane version and at most you can lower it to 2 with Repentance.
If you do Path to Golconda and stay a vamp, your sun and fire curse drop by 1.

>>96750670
>It makes sense that with males being so rare now, you'd be bros with the other remaining males.
Wrong, they're all like this anon >>96750653 and only seek the company of woman
Other men are competitors to kill

>>96750687
But what do you even do with all the women? Do you build human pyramids out of them?

>>96749734
Hmm.. tankista had it at 1:3 male to female ratio but you could probably push it to 1:4 or 1:5, but just do it according to your own tastes, if you have a good idea about a companion add it, ratio doesn't matter

>>96750670
I will never understand the likes of you. Going out of your way to make a setting with almost no guys and then willingly associating with them, what even is the point of making them almost extinct in the first place if you still have to deal with them.
>>96750687
>Other men are competitors to kill
Not really, unless they are assholes. But I don't want to meet them either.

>>96750678
As long as your gen is high enough to take path to golconda it doesn't matter, might as well take the most powerful option, you can start with a discipline at ancient as a 8th gen. It would be easier to set up a mean to provide for/protect yourself once human when you are a powerful vampire.

>>96750679
Ok, then what is the point of Manifestation level 1? That one doesn't get lowered by anything else and is still mandatory. The answer is that sylen didn't bother to remake the curse page from when it worked differenty.

>>96749449
So if I understand it correctly as long as I have a discipline unlocked I can make it stronger later in the world without having to spend blood on it, and blood only gives me a headstart?

>>96750699
Wrong question, it's not what you will do with all the women but what all of the women going to do with you, might end up in a sperm farm or as a pet for some powerful lady

>>96749798
>The power section starts talking about dots and then completely drops them
Nta but that's the tabletop/game way to measure the power of disiplines, it's just there to give you an idea of what they are equivalent to in case you know that system. It ends up just being more confusionary for someone that never saw the games.

>>96750727
Just pointing out that having sun or fire at 1 was possible, I think skipping a level would just look weird. And while not having the universal vampire weakness was weird, the 1.0 ability to choose any curses was more interesting.

>>96750653
>Companions with drawbacks are dumb, you already have to give up power to get them
What? Where did you get this from anywhere in the post?

>now you also have to deal with bullshit because of them?
I was thinking the quirks impacting companions ranged. For examples one has Specterphilia and has the compulsion to conduct hauntings in a spot around an area to cause panic and alarm out of adoration of fear/people response.

Another is just a schizo with model compulsion, whatever they see as pure they have to make a body double of and put it in their personal collection of pure things.

Another has the strange compulsion to try and cook and eat any new thing they happen to find and is out of the mundane.

They are drawbacks in the sense they are bothersome and abnormal, but also character quirks.

>>96750765
There are a couple of mangas with a similar premise, most of the time it's not that bad, but realistically it would end up in some situation most wouldn't expect. Granted I don't think any have been made with that big of a ration difference, I think the biggest was 1000?

>>96749474
i don't engage in sylenslop

I just don't like vampires as a concept. They're not interesting to me.

>>96749449
The Blood Powers page says you can spend one Hook to “unlock the Disciplines” your Contact knows. That reads to me as if you get all the Disciplines a contact knows and not just one per Hook. Which seems so powerful that it must be wrong. Sure, you’re not gonna have the Blood to get a whole smorgasbord of powers above Fledgling, but you’re an immortal creature so why not invest early?

>>96750806
I find them the least fun out of the humanoid monster style races, since the weaknesses kinda blow and, depending on the setting, losing sex and eating food ain’t worth it along an immortal timeframe

>>96750757
Well seems from the cyoa that you will roughly gain double the points in blood of your generation as you grow in experience as that is the power your sire has but considering how old they are this will probably take centuries in the low gens case to reach peak power so spend your blood wisely as it will take a long time for you to train them and there is nothing preventing you from learning new disciplines afterwards so specializing is most likely more powerful than generalizing

>>96750789
I've read a bunch of such mangas also, and it's mostly "owo now girls like me a lot!! :D" with little thought to how such a society would actually work; even though it's a fascinating premise to worldbuild about.

>>96750814
1, Hooks are very limited unless you want to cripple yourself or make your unlife hell.
2, that's apparenlty how it works in the lore. "You can use the powers of the vampires you drink the blood of" it's why you can use your sire's powers, you had to drink their blood for the embrace and subsequent blood bond, that's what the hook does, it gives you a partial boold bond with them. As far as I know it's all or nothing.

>>96750829
Well with an extreme ratio like 1:1000 you would most likely end up in a matriarchy where males are a valuable resource. As women will hold the military and leadership positions, have the most resources and wealth as the whole Inheritance would be matrilineal and over all the primary source of labor. Besides who's gonna risk sending a rare male to anything dangerous you got to lock them up and keep them guarded so other women or tribes don't kidnap them.

>>96749562
Reaper fails to faze me, I have ascended beyond mortal limits

>>96750806
In CYOA context I like the premise of being a vampire, because I like conditional unagingness. The kind of unagingness that forces you to be active and do things and move around and expose yourself to risk.
Vampires are the classic example of that. You need to hunt victims, drain them of their blood, avoid being hunted down in revenge.

>>96750653
>>96750654
Degenerates like you guys and Tok should end yourselves.

>>96750829
Of the ones I read there are a couple that explain it a bit better. It still ends up with the protagonist being liked more and gathering a harem, mostly unaware, but there is a bit more detail put into the why it happens. In one the rare few men became cowards that don't want to interact with the girls because there are just too many of them. In the other the ratio is lower so the guys are just mostly entitled assholes. I think it's a realistic approach, up to a point it would be purely positive for most guys, but when you cross a certain treshold things start getting weird.

>>96750894
Bullshit!

>>96750825
This discussion reminded me of this cyoa
https://imgchest.com/p/lqye6da8q4d
Universal Horror, it has a bunch of monsters and "Horror" human archetypes, some more fitting than others. Which one would be your favourite? I would need to think about it because the different iterations can be very different at times.

>>96750913
>anon is scared of women with large heads
Don't be! They only want the best for you!

>>96750942
Well it's purely positive only if you count it from the perspective of having sex, your going to experience a lot of sexism, being objectified and treated like a sex object, possible discriminatory hiring, less political representation, a much higher chance of getting drugged and raped, you essentially become a fetishized minority

>>96749474
Building a sire is a pain...

Got all the way through my build but realized I have to stat out everything for them and my motivation bottomed out. Plus I feel an incentive to also find an image for them too, it's like needing to make 2 builds. I can't really think of anything interesting for them either since it's just a few common disciples and their natural rare affinity but even with the options being limited it doesn't make it any easier for me. I'm just indecisive.

>>96750974
weaklings cannot even comprehend true power

I like when CYOAs think they can convince me not to sacrifice my companions for points

>>96751158
Take this, it's on the house

>>96751177
>Psiop
hmm
>psi
>psy
>Psyop
>>96751158
Don't trust him!

>>96751188
psoy vey, foiled again!

>>96750586
Remind me again which website made Sissy Life.

>>96749910
Hell yes it is. It's got over 100 units currently, several conquest campaign locations ranging from a Dwarven city to a floating pirate republic, over 12 lieutenants to choose from, three concubines per campaign, and is pure Howardian conquest pulp in style and tone.

>>96751326
The Sissy website?

What are some good choices to include in a "design your own body" section?

>>96750995
Oh man, I remember this one. Personally, I tend towards monsters that retain a degree of humanoid form and function. Skewing eldritch/cursed as opposed to physically monstrous. In fantasy, I tend towards like incubi and demons. In that cyoa I’d probably go Slenderman or Mothman.

>>96751391
* number of hands
* number of fingers per hand
* number of toes per hand
* number of legs
* number of fingers per leg
* number of toes per leg
* number of openings
* for each opening, pick a type

>>96751348
If "the sissy website" happens to be 4chan.

>>96750020
>VtM vampires start weaker but have a way higher cap that werewolves, a single Methuselah can solo any werewolf in WoD.
Yeah but that cap is entirely decided by your generation. An 8th gen is pretty much never going to be able to outfight a werewolf.

>>96751391
anal circumference

>>96751501
>An 8th gen is pretty much never going to be able to outfight a werewolf.

>>96751501
You can increase your Generation via Diablerie. Also it depends on how old said 8th gen is, if they're newly embraced the yeah they're fucked. If they're centuries old, they have a fighting chance. If they're a millennia or older then the werewolf is definitely fucked if its alone.

>>96751525
The protagonist of VTMB didn't outfight that werewolf, they outsmarted them and killed them using a giant mechanical door. If you stay and try to fistfight it, it kicks your ass.
>>96751526
Age will never let you improve your Disciplines beyond 5 Dots, your Dots are hard-capped. You could learn more Disciplines to 5 Dots, but never move past it. That said yes, Diablerie could help by lowering your generation, but not only does it have the risk of driving you insane and taints your personality, there's the risk of your target winning and eating your soul instead. Even in the Sabbat where you can diablerize outside of a sanctioned Blood Hunt, finding an 8th Gen who's done it successfully 2 or 3 times is going to be vanishingly rare.

Rolled 86 + 5 (1d100 + 5)

>>96751519

>>96751559
Was the protag of VtMB an 8th gen? he was a thinblood as far as I remember.

>>96749474
As a VTMfag, I found it to be too bloated and focused on some irrelevant shit, plus it has that Sylen formatting, which is hard to like. I also don't like how he did the disciplines. They're too vague and poorly explained, unlike in the game, where you purchase dots and gain individual abilities with concrete effects and costs (and you can make your own if you've reached past 5 dots).

I also don't like the gay quest system, but that's my general opinion on CYOAs.

>>96751711
Their gen is never stated, but they have the blood pool of an 8th gen.

There is that one Assamite ritual (From Marduk’s Throat) that can let you to improve your Generation without Diablerie. It's not without complications of its own, but for those of us who dislike soul-devouring, but still want power, it is invaluable.

>>96751758
There's also a Tremere ritual to instantly fuck over someone who used Diablerie, so it's a fool's path anyway.

Just go find a vial of Malkav's blood (Or Zapathasura's) and drink it to lower your generation.

>>96751772
>Tremere
Those jobbers can't stop me
I will diablerize every Tremere in existence

Doesn't the second to final step of Golconda (right before becoming human again) make you really fucking powerful? Isn't that how Kuei-jin Bodhisattvas are born? Three of said Bodhisattvas were able to go toe-to-toe with the Ravnos antediluvian before they all got nuked.

>>96751853
It merely gives you the potential to reach the heights of Antediluvians, and those needed thousands of years.

>>96751853
Kuei-jin aren't really vampires, not in abilities or metaphysics. They're just associated because they're superficially similar and occupy a similar niche.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Yl9wFIrrSYnxFYtEoBOONrRiH2pCv6Xx/view

Janitor Valar https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96731336/#96732042
Evil Valar https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96731336/#96732313
Rapist Valar https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96731336/#96732435
Maia First Edition https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96731336/#96733258
Numenorean Fightard https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96731336/#96734203
Numenorean Jobber https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96731336/#96735272
Comfy Numenorean Smith https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96731336/#96738376

>>96750814
Unlocking a discipline isn't enough to use it, you still need training with a guide (someone or a book), you can't train a discipline by yourself without an affinity for it.

>>96751738
Have you expanded on why you don’t like quest systems? I’ve personally loved them since Battle Mage since it gives your story a sense of structure and progression.

>>96751966
Sure, that’s fine. Probably. You theoretically have all the time in the world and should have contacts/resources to help you improve. However, having that many Disciplines probably paints a huge target on your back, so you’d need to compartmentalize your trainers and hide your breadth of ability until you’re strong enough to stand alone. If that even matters when all the oldest vamps are practically gods, the other crazy shit of the world nonwithstanding.

>>96749963
Hey! I'm here now. Cant be in the thread 24/7. I'll answer any questions anons have now.

>>96749964
Its very powerful and will trivialize most fights, but those of lower generation than you will most likely be able to defend against it much like trying to use Dominate on lower generations.

>>96750119
You aren't guaranteed to succeed though.

>>96750632
Its true I struggled a lot with ordering the pages and that could definitely be done better. Problem is I'm not quite sure how to fix it without it being even more confusing. I was considering removing the option to decide your sires blood powers and so on entirely and simply letting that up to chance. Which I think would ease the flow a lot.

>>96750757
Yes, but you most commonly need a teacher to help you. Common Disciplines are however, stated to be possible to grow without a teacher in lore. I could include that bit.

>>96750814
The hook spent is for both unlocking and having them teach you.

>>96752047
>you’d need to compartmentalize your trainers and hide your breadth of ability until you’re strong enough to stand alone.
That is the kind of thing you need to do if you want to interact with vampire community without getting fucked anyway.
That or fuck of in the woods like a gangrel or max obfuscate and hope you never meet someone that can see through it, max dominate too if you want to play 4d chess and auxpex if you want to play from outside the city.

>>96752084
This a question from a previous thread that I'm curious about;
>Are Blood Sorceries (necromancy/thaumaturgy/etc) considered rare disciplines for the sake of Accursed Wretch and Mark of Cain?

>>96752102
What I’m kind of getting from all the discussion is that being 13th gen who blew their plot hooks and other resources to have a shitload of Disciplines wasn’t the worst idea in the world. I noticed several Dark Gifts (skull, tome, the boons) should theoretically allow more Disciplines but don’t outright say so. And that options that give you Disciplines don’t outright say they can be applied to Magic, but I assume they must.

>>96752084
Why don't Banu Haqim get Assamite Sorcery affinity? Also can you have Obyeah and Valeren at the same time?

>>96751954
I'm confused about making a custom companion. Do they have a point pool, or do they automatically obtain the same level of points that you spent in each section?

>>96752084
>I was considering removing the option to decide your sires blood powers and so on entirely
Would that fuck you over completely? Not having any idea what you can learn from your sire basically makes them a complete non-entity and obfuscates your own potential.

>>96749734
If it's literally just a waifu section, ratio should depend on how many actually husbando-able men you think you can write well. Solidly half of heterosexual male CYOA authors shouldn't bother including husbandos because the husbandos they make suck and are just disappointing.

>>96752084
>I was considering removing the option to decide your sires blood powers and so on entirely and simply letting that up to chance. Which I think would ease the flow a lot.
No it would not. You would just fuck over everyone with no real benefit. It fixes nothing and adds a bunch of new problems, how the fuck is that even related to a solution? It looks like a random change you want to make, and it's for the worse too.

>>96752336
>actually husbando-able men
Nobody will pick them. Wasted slots.

>>96752128
>(skull, tome, the boons) should theoretically allow more Disciplines
The skull and tome (soul host too) only give you training you still need to drink blood to unlock a discipline, you could have the tome be about a discipline you don't even have (no reason to do it but you could). If you can do magic the Library Card likely would allow you to learn everything in the type of magic you have unlock.

Why are you all so obsessed with cooming? Lust is temporary, power is eternal. Just jerk off if you have to.

>>96752084
>I was considering removing the option to decide your sires blood powers and so on entirely and simply letting that up to chance. Which I think would ease the flow a lot.
You have to be crazy to think that the solution to anything in a cyoa is "let's remove even more agency from the player". At that point just make everything random why don't you? This doesn't ease the flow, it removes it, there is no flow to be had with even more rollshit.

>>96752428
Love is power just like friendship.

>>96750632
Honestly the vibe I get from this complaint is that you're mainly just upset you could be a daywalker before and now you can't, and everything is kinda just built around saying that without saying it.

>>96752120
He answered that, they are completely separate from all other disciplines, they count as a different thing. It's retarded but that's what he said.

>>96752084
Put the Sire page after the Character page.

>>96752419
We've had at least 1 build take a guy planning to romance him within the last month
They'll be picked

>>96750995
Best race combo ?
Charles Atlas/Primordial Human look nice.

>>96752435
Yeah, additionally a Sire is so integral to your character and build I don’t reasonably know how you could remove it

intelligence + wisdom + ielziaseh are all you need to beat OR
anything else is bloat

>>96752459
by three builds total

>>96752464
Let it die senpai. We vampire now.

>>96752464
You need caster intuition for QOL and spiritual feel + being raised by One(can you dice fudge him into a mentor?) probably combo well

>>96752464
>>96752483
>no Icon of Icons
You're getting steamrolled by anyone who picked the multiplier.

>>96752084
My suggestion would be to add a section where you choose the time period you get embraced in. Being locked to 1991 really fucks with the build variety of the cyoa since everyone wants to be strong from the get go rather than take their time and grow, which I don't blame them since according to the WoD lore the End of Times is just around the corner.

>>96752452
Way to ignore everything just to make up an issue that I didn't have. I only pointed out one of the 3 mandatory curses, the other two are equally bullshit. It's even worse because there is a companion that clearly doesn't fear fire and assumes it's not that rare to not fear fire. The sun weakness being forced makes sense, all generations having the exact same level of it and also having fire and manifestation is bullshit.

>>96752464
You win OR even by doing nothing. You may just kill yourself in the crib. The Bicycle of Reincarnations takes care of the rest. You will next wake up with your memories thousands of reincarnations later, now a God.

>>96752453
>He answered that, they are completely separate from all other disciplines, they count as a different thing.
Doesn't that go against the wording of cyoa where it says that Blood Sorceries are Disciplines with extra steps and function almost identically? Why is he contradicting himself?

>>96752502
These are canon issues vampires in VTM have and this is a VTM CYOA. Raging about them on your part makes no sense, it's like playing a CYOA for Mage and demanding you get to be the one guy around with litRPG System magic.

>>96752508
>Soul forever has the experience of a coward branded into its infinitude
No thanks.

>>96752497
I'll infiltrate their friend group, turn them all against each other, and kill them while they've lost their power of friendship

>>96752498
Hard disagree, concrete start date is a good thing. For example the companion options would exist as they do at specific years. Start date choice which is not in sync with the rest of the cyoa is one of the things I really hate about icyoas.

>>96752511
Because he's Sylen and coherence is not his strong suit. He also things forcing you to roll for an integral part of your character is going to fix things when nobody asked for it. We asked for more agency and he is planning to give us less.

>>96752519
With what social ability?

>>96752527
To be fair he does have a point that you've got like 10 years before you canonically eat shit and die to the end times.

>>96752536
What do you think Ielziaseh is for dingus?

>>96752084
What does this mean?

>>96752511
There are several parts in the cyoa that contradict or are worded in such a way that how it interacts with previous info is ambiguous

>>96752517
No they are not canon issues, there are degrees to the curses and Thinbloods definitely don't have the same weakness to sun as the 5th gens do.

>>96752546
Put a penny in the swear jar.

>>96752546
Someone that teaches something easily bypassed with All-Glimpse?

>>96752084
Include the age and generation of the contacts in the cyoa please.

>>96752565
>No they are not canon issues
Yeah they are, every vampire fears these things, unless you're trying to play an Antediluvian or something where they're so strong they just tank it.

>>96752540
I'm a secondary (only played vtmb and browsed the white wolf wiki) but iirc I was told the whole final nights scenario is optional? And the text in the isekai option on page 1 (not of this world -> the world) suggests it doesn't happen, or that's how I read it.

>>96752571
all glimpse won't stop you from getting BETRAYED and TRAPPED

see: dei

>>96752498
You only have that issue if you go with isekai by the way. The other option doesn't specify what year it is.
>>96752527
The other option doesn't have that, only the isekai.

>>96752584
Everyone thinks they're going to be Dirk, even that's ignoring the fact that even he's getting played by Hladvig

>>96752589
>The other option doesn't specify what year it is.
It's year 2025, retard.

>>96752565
Speaking of which, isn’t Blush of Life something relatively impactful the cyoa just doesn’t mention at all?

>>96752584
>>96752608
Oh yeah, Savmak's All-Glimpse having descendants kept getting played with too(got betrayed by Sarmat, then jobbed against his descendants until Savmak(girl) was left as the only one left(probably)
All-Glimpse doesn't save you from getting played by schemers.

>>96752589
I think the option to stay in our world is kinda fucked, since it locks you out of the character section. I may be good at quite a few things, but I’m certainly not vampire good and certainly not in the subjects pertinent to fucking vampires. Though I feel like the Ideal Form option should let you access it again even staying in this world.

>>96752419
Pure waifu sections are in general wasted; companion sections where the characters double as romance options are the way to go.

But if you are just doing a pure waifu section, husbandos do still get picked.

>>96752584
Dei has the best chance of winning in Playing Traitors even without (you).
I think the quote on the encounter belongs to resurrected Aat/The Third himself

>>96752498
I second this. Not having time to grow to methuselah stage is my main problem with this cyoa.

>>96752608
Everyone alse thinks Dirk's mentorship is indicative of his normal abilities. Like he can just casually learn what all other mentors would've taught.

It's like, anon, mentors are supported by fate if you pick them. He's getting an All-Glimpse powered Blazkho training arc before you meet him so he's ready to be your mentor. He's not going to just casually learn the skills of someone you didn't spend fate on, and (you) can't do that either. You have to put in actual effort to learn shit.

>>96752498
WoD lore is not canon to the cyoa.

>>96752784
It has to be, else there's no point in playing the cyoa.

>>96752799
>cyoa is pointless if you haven't done homework
huh?

>>96752746
>*untimeskips in your path*
nothing personnel

>>96752840
Yes, if I wanted a regular vampire cyoa I'd just play any of the other ones. Playing a franchise Cyoa then ignoring all established rules, lore and worldbuilding is incomprehensibly retarded to me.

>>96752840
That’s more the author’s fault than anything. If you’re going to root it firmly in the setting, with a binary option explicitly geared towards that, you’ve got to accept canon comes with it unless stated otherwise.

>>96752888
But it does state otherwise?
>Something tells you that everything is slightly different than what you would otherwise expect. As if the future is unclear, undefined and unlikely to follow the path you know yourself.

>>96752872
>*Timeskips you*

>>96752901
>"Just make shit up" the option.
Yeah that's why I ignored it.

>>96752901
I didn’t interpret that as a statement on the canon, I interpreted that as a statement on this world being slightly different than the one I came from. The “path you know yourself” bit would imply I came in with knowledge of the canon, which isn’t reflected anywhere else in the option.

>>96752901
>"Use your imagination" the option.
Yeah that's why I ignored it.

>>96752460
Not sure how well they stack since they do similar things from different angles

>>96749449
I guess it's time to make an image build for this. Like always, it will take time to find all the images needed since it is a big CYOA. I'm not gonna lie, there are some things I really dislike with the CYOA, like some rule text are downright confusing to read (for example: Favorable Beginnings says my Sire get to take a free upgrade for a Traits and Personality option. Does this mean I can upgrade and an extra option in that section, or does it mean I can upgrade and extra option in that section in addition to ignoring the "cost" in the brackets of the option since it says "free" upgrade and not "extra" upgrade?). Another thing I hate is that some options do not have images, and I'm not a fan of the faded corners of the images. Just give me clear easy to see images any day of the week. I also absolutely hate the quest section. I would much rather get more options to choose from and more points to spend than a railroaded adventure that forces me to pick 3 quests since the point gains are too good to say no to. Especially the demon summoning quest that gives 8 points, which I feel is mandatory to pick. Also, I hate the multiplayer aspect of the quests since it allows you to theoretically break the CYOA and gain 35 blood points which is fucking absurd. I might sound super negative but I really liked the CYOA despite the flaws I see in it and I only make image builds to the CYOAs I really like. Love the setting, love the sire interactions, and really like the theme.

>>96752120
As per version 2.0, then no. But there will be ways to acquire Blood Sorcery in more ways in the balance update.

>>96752160
Affinity for Assamite Sorcery isn't something Banu Haqim gets by default in the source books. So there is that. Yet, you can have both Obeah and Valeren.

>>96752219
It would make survival harder, since right now you can plan. But generally speaking, plotting against your sire isn't something I would recommend. What do you have to gain exactly? They will leave you alone soon enough if you dont reciprocate the relationship. Thats what usually happens anyway.

>>96752399
I'm sorry you feel that way anon. Its not something im going to do. Just saying it was considered before doing this release. Despite popular belief, then I dont actively want to fuck over anyone.

>>96752435
It was a consideration from before doing the release. No need to get up in arms like that. I hear you anon.

>>96752455
I can see how that could work.

>>96752549
Exactly what it states? Not sure whats confusing? You can choose an extra ability for every type. So if you have [Mind], then you can pick free [Mind] ability on top of your three choices.

>>96752573
Why would they willingly give you that information? Hiding your generation is key.

>>96753406
>Why would they willingly give you that information? Hiding your generation is key.
Ok, this makes sense, but what about the information about their disciplines down to their exact potency?

>>96753406
He’s confused because you have the rare ability to communicate simple concepts in the most confusing way possible. I’ve been at this shit for well over a decade and I still had to read it more than once to understand what the fuck you meant. This happens at least once per page.

>>96753406
What clans are Cristina Marin and Lucian Nicolescu from? I could not find their clan symbol on the clan page.

>>96753406
>Affinity for Assamite Sorcery isn't something Banu Haqim gets by default in the source books.
Sorcerer Caste?

>>96753281
Toreador bimbo inc

>>96750632
You can get down to sun curse level 1 by combining Repentance with the path of Golconda. 'swhat I did in my build.

>>96753439
Old Clan Tzimisce.

>>96753406
How do I get Ancient level on Thaumaturgy and Necromancy? Two paths at 3rd level like some anon suggested a few threads ago?
My reasoning is:
lvl 1 (at any path)-> Neonate
lvl 2-> Ancilla
lvl 3->Elder
??? -> Ancient

>>96753451
>Toreador bimbo inc
Our motto is, "We make Toreador bimbos, and we make them right."

>>96753406
I thought that the reason Koldunic can't be bought with blood points is because it's fundamentally a vampire thing, but then why can Assamite be bought with blood points?

>>96753468
>fundamentally a vampire thing
*fundamentally not a vampire thing

>>96753421
Necessary for mechanics.

>>96753424
I apologize anon. I'm curious, how would you have explained it in one sentence?

>>96753439
Old Clan Tzimice. When compared to doomed bloodlines, they are ultra extinct.

>>96753441
I ran out of space.

>>96753451
Toreador is my clan. Watch your mouth.

>>96753465
Blood Sorcery is simply not tracked in the same way.

>>96753468
Its not a vampire thing. Its a contract with an Earth Demon. You call upon powers greater than you to cast the magic(spirits). Its explained in the section text.

>>96753487
Can the Earth Demon one day just decide to stop lending power? Would Koldunic Sorcery suddenly become worthless?

>>96753487
>Imply Lamia and Lhiannan clans more common than Old Clan Tzimisce.
Wild take.

>>96753406
Did you read the replies to the cyoa posts in previous threads?
In any case, I think whenever you say "x generation or above" or "x generation or higher" in the cyoa (the Golconda quest requirement, or the requirement for your sire to have a castle or mansion), you actually mean lower generation.

>>96753487
>I ran out of space.
Just do it the same way you did the Salubri, you either choose Quietus or Assamite Sorcery Affinity. Also for the love of god, please do a revamp for the point system, its fucking annoying to have to keep track of all the different attributes and costs and whatnot, especially when you add the Sire to the mix.

>>96753501
Just learn Krainas.

>>96753406
>They will leave you alone soon enough if you dont reciprocate the relationship
I haven't finished my build yet and won't for several days but I can tell you this about me and you'll understand instantly how my build is going to go in regards to my sire: I am the type to cling onto golden thighs (as the Chinese would say) for dear life.

>>96752336
>CYOA authors shouldn't bother including husbandos because the husbandos they make suck and are just disappointing.
ENTER HUSBANDGOD

>>96753501
Its a contract, so extremely unlikely. Dont know though.

>>96753528
Lamia and Lhiannan are distinct. Old Clan Tzimice is just old, but clan Tzimice all over again.

>>96753532
You're correct. How embarrassing. Anyways, nope, I did not have the chance.

>>96753538
I could do that.

>>96753566
Yeah. I dont understand why having a sire is considered so bad.

>>96753583
/Trash/ tier take

>>96753532
idk, it make sense to me that you can't do golconda if your gen is too low.

>>96753608
Oh yeah, for Golconda it is correct. Its 8th to 13th or thinbloods only.

>>96753487
I would move the sentence to the Attribute section, since it’s relevant to that decision and rephrase it as “Each Attribute will grant you one free Ability of it’s type.”

I’ll explain the issue a bit further, because there are a lot of small things in your current sentence that make it confusing. Here’s what you have…

>You may pick one extra free [Abilities] for every [Attribute] you have picked of that type(this includes your Sire).

Here are the issues….
>This information is probably better served in the Attribute section since it’s relevant to that decision
>You reference types without defining them
>In your effort to remain consistent, you have a singular “one extra free” next to the plural “[Abilities]
>Needless words, see the “one extra free” above
>The Sire information and spacing also confuses the sentence structure
>Your subject is the [Abilities] but you move on to say [Attributes] before you say type which makes it unclear to what the undefined type refers to

It’s just a lot of little things that make a reader’s brain stutter when they’re trying to learn all these different mechanics and immerse themselves in the world. I would say, in the future, you’d best be served by keeping your point systems as simple as possible. Try to remove unnecessary words or information. Keep relevant mechanics in order and placed in the section they’re most relevant to.

That last point is my biggest criticism, for example defining Attributes on page one then setting a default Attribute number on page seven. You already said how many Attributes we get, now you’re telling us there’s one by default PLUS the ones you already told us about. That means I have to go back to page one to ensure I read it right the first time, then go back to page seven to confirm, yes that’s actually what you meant. All that for probably the simplest section in the whole cyoa. That’s just one example.

>>96753608
Why? There are two whole clans trying to golconda away vampirism one way or another, including their Antediluvians.

>>96753592
>Old Clan Tzimice is just old, but clan Tzimice all over again.
Dominate instead of Vicissitude? Almost universally kolduns?

>>96750020
>VtM vampires start weaker but have a way higher cap that werewolves, a single Methuselah can solo any werewolf in WoD.
Lol lmao.
Let me tell you as someone that actually read the books Werewolves have powers to summon sunlight and no vampire can defend against that not even Cain.

>>96753601
>Married his research girlfriend
>Makes them immortal
>Makes Cyberpunk real
>Kills glowies
>Basedest Magic
>Live cunny make out sessions on national TV.
>Defeated and killed the secondest strongest Mage around.
He is literally HIM.

>>96753641
5 dot Corpse in the Monster and 6 dot Spiritus, from the top of my head.
Werewolves still stomps, but not because of sunlight.

>>96753278
Primordial Human give you a top tier body, instinct and potential while Charles Atlas give you top tier training, skills and mind.
I think that what they give is similar, but different enough that it become more then the sum of its parts.

>>96753641
Yeah but that's assuming that every Werewolf has access to that ability at all times. In reality Elder Vampires still stomp your average yiffwoof and if they come across something they can't handle they have many ways to escape.

>>96753632
He probably isn't interested in Old Clan because they're pretty much all just classic Dracula. No flesh horror, just old East European nobles living in castles, enslaving peasants, obsessed with their family and lovers, obeying hospitality laws perfectly etc.

The reason wod vampires beat werewolves is not disciplines versus gifts. It's because they manipulate mortal society against them without ever getting in harm's way.
A shrewd kindred pushes the wolves out of his domain without ever seeing one.

>>96753583
I'm sorry anon I don't mean to disparage your tastes but I like men.

>>96753621
Based

>>96753439
Okay, just to be clear to the author, adding random Clan symbols in a completely different section without explanation is a bad thing. I know what it meant because I know the universe, but your average reader is going to be going through Contacts, see that symbol, flip back to the Clan page because they probably don’t remember any of them at first glance, then they’ll be unable to find the symbol or any context related to it. What they gotta go Google fucking VtM clan symbols to know who the fuck a Contact is associated with? Cmon man

>>96753538
Seemed easy to me.

>>96753684(me)
Also, Elemental Stoicism and Eternal Vigilance can help if you for some reason decide to duke it out in the middle of the day.

>>96753641
>not even Cain
A 3rd gen was bathed in concentrated sunlight and still tanked three nukes while mass-murdering all opposition. Yeah Caine technically isn't immune to your sunlight summoning spell, it'll have an effect on him, but he's still so above you that it's completely irrelevant.

>>96752872
That's fine, you spent points on it.

I simply dislike it when people interpret intentionally-vague powers in a self-serving way that devalues other equally vague options and does not lend itself to interesting stories..

>>96753666
>Kills glowies
I am one in that cyoa, so this is bad

>>96753812
It's a way to justify their choices to themselves.

>>96751008
Ive met this chick irl

>>96753831
I don't think All-Glimpse needs an aggressively self-serving interpretation to be worth choosing.

>>96753847
Any option WILL get a self-fellating justification if the ego needs it.

>>96749449
Now wait a fucking second. The La Sombra description explicitly says they’re Camarilla now but they aren’t an eligible Clan per the Camarilla description

>>96753715
>I can assume my minmaxed elder vampire can beat regular werewolves
Wow no way while a regular vampire hunter werewolve curb stops that leech bitch.
The average werewolve rapes the average vampire and even at the higher levels of power werewolves have powers that auto nuke vampires.

>>96753808
Meh he likely used you know his reality bending powers to cover itself.
Most vampires don't have that capability

>>96753919
>jobbing to furries
why are gay emo vampires so bitchmade

>>96753960
lore reasons

>>96753919
>Cute puppy acting uppity.
Werewolves stopped being badass ever since furries became a thing. Seeing you trying to act so touph is adorable.

>>96753919
Why would I play a CYOA as one of the lesser species?

>>96753919
>werewolves have powers that auto nuke vampires
They are, but I hope you don't mean sunlight. It's even worse than relying on silver against werewolves .

>>96753985
For the hope that you can eventually either cannibalize your way into not being a jobber(good luck with that, you have to beat the non-jobbers while being a jobber to make this work) or become a Mage after curing yourself of jobberhood

>>96753910
That was a V5 thing which deleted the Sabbat and fucked everything up and was retarded. The previous version was inspired by V5 which wasn't popular, this one is inspired by earlier editions but he probably just missed that text.

>>96754008
I refuse to start as a jobber.

Imagine choosing to be a vampire in the world of darkness when you could be a mage lmao what a loser

Why does every time people talk about WoD it always devolves to people claiming that their chosen module is better and would beat easily up the others?

>>96754039
I have a pathological need to be the strongest.

>>96753621
>I would move the sentence to the Attribute section
You would reference Abilities before they are introduced? How come? I know they are already referenced before that, but I dont see it as more important in the other.
>You reference types without defining them
Your own sentence does the same though? Or at the least, does no more effort to define type beyond semantics
>In your effort to remain consistent, you have a singular “one extra free” next to the plural “[Abilities]
Because its one extra free per Attribute? In your sentence, it could be construed that you gain free Abilities to the limit of three total.
>The Sire information and spacing also confuses the sentence structure
Where else would you communicate it?
>Your subject is the [Abilities] but you move on to say [Attributes] before you say type which makes it unclear to what the undefined type refers to
I agree that moving type to before [Attribute] would make more sense, so that it would be "for every type of [Attribute] that you have picked".

However, you sentence lacks the following in my optics
>call to action that there is a choice or choices to be made
>that the action is not mandatory
>that the ability chosen is extra on top of your originally allowed economy for that choice

>>96753632
They're just too strong anon.

>>96754039
Because like D&D they way overwanked mages. It was inevitable

>>96754039
Anons are obsessed with power and hate the fact that the most popular line is also one of the weaker ones

>>96754016
Look in the mirror anon, you were born a jobber.

>>96754016
You're no true Hound

>>96754093
Hound? what are you taling about? its a cyoa? its an anime?

>>96754061
>They're just too strong anon.
They are usually considered as a downgrade from normal Tzimisce, but ok. Not that it matters much.

>>96754049
Are you the strongest irl? What are you doing to remedy that?

>>96754080
Nobody is saying that Vampires start as bottom of the rung jobbers. But denying that an Antediluvian would absolutely rape any other splat including Mages in a 1v1 fight is being purposefully retarded.

>>96754049
Then you need to be a Silver Fangs werewolf.

>>96754121
>Are you the strongest irl?
Yes. In physical combat which is what matters at least, I am bad at chess tho.
>What are you doing to remedy that?
Nothing, I am already the strongest.

>>96754123
>Paws of the Newborn Cub
What now, mighty vampire?

WoD mage cyoa when?

>>96754152
When you make it.

>>96754123
>Antediluvian
Irrelevant, (You) are never becoming an Antediluvian
The best you can hope for is that one of them eats your soul after you try to diablerize them

>>96754147
t. nofights

>>96749474
The first choice in the cyoa is buried inside a gigantic wall of text and introduces five distinct point values (hooks, blood, favor, fame, notoriety), attributes, disciplines, and multiple specific perks. This is followed up with clans, bloodlines, allegiances, and drawbacks, which also incorporate shit that hasn't been covered and should be placed later in the cyoa.

If you want people to play a cyoa you should start with the simple, engaging choices and ramp up in complexity as you go.

I'm the smartest man alive
I'd outwit you

>>96754148
If you think an Antediluvian wouldn't just straight up shrug off that shit, then you're being purposefully retarded as I said.

>>96753992
Sure but werewolves do have powers to lessen their vulnerability to silver while vampires can't cope with it

>>96754160
The point here is that: Peak potential vamp >>> Any other splat.

>>96754039
It's the inevitable result of making multiple games coexist in the same universe. People who get into the universe as a whole have conflict with people who want to take a specific game as it is and ignore the parts of the universe that don't serve it.

Fortunately, WoD 5e fixes this by reducing all of the lore to "just, like, do whatever, man, it's YOUR game"

Why are all the WoD vampires so thin? In my mind, the ideal vampire is an undead Jabba the Hutt, with ghoulified and unghoulified slave girls surrounding him. A tic that's drunk itself fat full of blood. Evil and utterly in control. Vampires should be evil and when I visualize an evil person, that's what it's like.

>>96754170
>Ugh your power doesn't work because I said so.
Come up with an actual response fag.

>>96754175
>vampires can't cope with it
They can. I gave at least three examples.

Psychicbros...
How do we survive Diviners coordinating the mage kill-teams?
>>96754187
They're meant to be sexy

>>96754179
Depends on the scenario, in a 1v1 from a short distance the vampire is absolutely the strongest but mages have options to see into the future/read fate and can create constructs to do it for them that would be unaffected by obfuscate, they also possess the most versatility and range of any splat which is bad for the vampire given they have a fucking laundrary list of weaknesses to exploit. See the sun bomb dropped on an antediluvian by the Union (The antediluvian was weakened but the Union also wasn't using all of its cards).

>>96754179
Laughs in Archspheres

>>96754204
diviners job to Precognition + Enhance Cognition

they can see the future, but that doesn't mean they can understand my 1000000000iq light yagami strategy

>>96754204
Mind control - brainwashing, combine with constant subliminal messaging so attempts to remotely view them become actively dangerous.

>>96754198
To resist sunlight?

psychic abilities are cooler than magic

>>96754192
That's literally how mages work. Reality is what you say it is. That's the whole fucking premise of mages in WoD.

>>96754192
>Plot Device: In theGehenna supplement, this isthepower for all level 10Disciplines. Basically, it does whatever theAntediluvian in question needs to do with the Discipline in question.
>"noooo you can't just ignore muh power-AAAACKKK!!"
Lmao secondary nigger.

>>96754248
franchise cyoa players are always secondaries

>>96754225
Vampires do have powers to mitigate sunlight, yes. So don't be a little bitch and don't expect the sun will do all work for you, cub.

>>96754225
>To resist sunlight?
NTA but yes, I can think of at least 3 ways a vampire can resist/survive direct sunlight within the cyoa itself. Fist is weather manipulation, making the clouds cover the sun. Second. is advance Protean to make the earth swallow you. Third is advance Obtenebration, manipulating shadows to cover yourself or the block off the source of the sunlight.

>>96754277
There >>96753684
and there >>96753806

>>96754240
But it's not automatic they need to put effort to create effects if they have their capability to use spheres taken they are only mortal.

>>96754277
Ok from your list only protean would actually work.
The werewolve is not summoning the sun in the sky it is literally shinning sunlight against you from a fetish or a spirit power so you can cover it with clouds and obtenebration parts away before sunlight.

>>96754260
Name them leech I'll wait...

>>96754336
Sign... There you dumb bitch >>96754294

>>96754348
Already bedunked lol
>>96754327

>>96754352
>5 dot Corpse in the Monster, 6 dot Spiritus, Elemental Stoicism and Eternal Vigilance
Readlet...

>>96754294
Explain what any of those do, I'm not a WtA lorefag.

>>96753487
>Watch your mouth
Why are you always defending Tok?

>>96754372
Familiarize yourself with the source material instead of wasting our time.

>>96754397
But you're the one who brought up Furry the Retardocalypse. This is a VtM Cyoa discussion, so fuck off.

>>96754372
The fuck? It's VtM powers to mitigate sun.

>>96754376
I was defending Tok? Where do you get this wild idea from? I was defending Toreador.

>>96754363
That doesn't work against sunlight vampires have no way to defend against it.
They can become immune to fire but sunlight is impossible to overcome or mitigate for them by canon.

>>96754485
>Corpse in the Monster
Downgrade or eliminate sunlight damage and day fatigue.
>Spiritus
Eliminate sunlight damage and day fatigue.
>Elemental Stoicism
Downgrade sunlight and fire damage.
>Eternal Vigilance
Eliminate day fatigue.

Read source books retard.

>>96754186
Too bad 5e is liquid diarrhea in quality.

I didn't know this thread had so many werewolf furries.

>>96754277
Raw ass Fortitude can mitigate it too, Becket famously streaked across a football field completely nude on a sunny day at noon, and his Fortitude is only 5 dots.

>>96753641
Nigga, Halo of the Sun is a Level 5 Gift for the Children of Gaia (the lamest tribe btw). A werewolf has to work hard for it, and even then, a Methuselah has a million ways to counter a retarded Elder looking to blast him with his pocket flashlight. He'll be hiding behind hundreds of his powerful servants and blood magic that lets him send the werewolf to the rape dimension, or at least summon a Rape demon upon him if you're a Baali.
>>96754186
>Fortunately, WoD 5e fixes this by reducing all of the lore to "just, like, do whatever, man, it's YOUR game"
Incredibly dumb take, nigga. Prior editions always allowed you to do whatever the fuck you want, and even encouraged you to use a generic stand-in for other splats if you didn't want to feature them in your game and tackle their lore. Everything V5 did was trying to continue the canon post 2004 with it's own dumbass additions and certain design choices ripped out of Requiem.
V5 literally wants you to play one style of game, and that is whiny faggot vampires that will inevitably get stomped on by the powers that be.
>>96754213
Mages are already batshit strong without the barely canon Archspheres that authors made only because players wanted more slop. After you gather all the relevant Spheres you want, all you need to do is farm successes, either on powerful rituals that create a nuke up Gaia's asshole or quick casts that just let you kill someone by looking at them.

>>96754639
Bear's Skin power also adds stamina to sunlight soak.

Werewolves and Vampires really don't meet, one almost exclusively lives in the woods and tiny small rural towns, and the other almost exclusively lives in big cities. Pretty much only the Gangrel are at regular risk of running into a werewolf, and every local Gangrel has told every other local Gangrel about where the werewolves are at and which packs are willing to tolerate a vampire moving through (and out) of their territory and which ones will sperg out and try to murder them. Beyond that, werewolf vs. vampire is rural vs. urban conflict, the vampire eliminates werewolf problems by having kine do it for them and pushing the werewolf out of the way. This is helped by the fact that vampires are one of the best splats at manipulating mortals (beaten only by the Technocracy side of Mage, the Traditions on the other hand are too retarded to manipulate mortal opinions) while werewolves are absolutely dogshit at interacting with regular humans. Like holy shit, their history is halfway defined by how bad they are at handling humans, they literally kept them in fences to rape and eat and then wonder why humans don't respect Gaia.

>>96754689
>literally kept them in fences to rape and eat
based

>>96754689
Bone Gnawers and Glass Walkers?

>>96754659
>the lamest tribe btw
That's the Furies, the radfem tribe.

>>96754706
bone gnawers are so inbred and retarded that you shouldn't bother
glass walkers are too autistic to fit into human society, they wanna put spirits in computers 'n' shit

>>96754706
Glass Walkers are the flipside of the Gangrel, they need to specifically avoid vampire territories and step lightly while they're there. Hulking out into a giant wolf in the middle of town is bad news for them, so their opportunities to actually merc a bothersome vampire with raw strength are almost nonexistent.

>>96754659
>Nigga, Halo of the Sun is a Level 5 Gift for the Children of Gaia
Anon they also have a 3 dot fetish that is a rock that shines with the light of the sun or 4 dot wips that also hit like sunlight.

>>96754735
I wonder how many vamps got killed because they thought all werewolves were like glass walkers

>>96754773
Claw to the face almost certain inflict more damage than the sun. If fight between werewolf and vampire last more than 2 round, something is really wrong. On both sides.

>>96754846
Remember that the vampire also has to contend against his instinct to run away like a bitch the moment it sees the sun and that is almost instantaneous.

>>96754707
They're the funniest wdym?

>>96754777
I'm pretty sure it'd be werewolf who get surprised when the seemingly normal vampire turns out to be a combat-speed elder. Even a weak werewolf slaughters any neonate.

>>96754777
There's not a Cammie Sire unalive who'd let their childe be that uninformed if werewolves are a local problem. Only the dumbest Anarchs, Sabbat shovelheads (who get NO education,) or Independent Gangrel fledglings (who only get educated after 1 year unalive) might do that, and only the Anarch would really be at fault.

>>96754860
I think vampire manage to find 1 point of willpower. And if on the road with instinct virtue, vamp will be already in frenzy, so sun/fire fear will do nothing.

I have no idea how strong/fast/tough werewolf are, would a vampire with celerity (don't know what each dots do, let's go with 3 to 5) and a silver knife be able to kill one ?
Or are the wolf fast enough to dodge or tough enough to tank a mundane silver blade (silver is pretty soft) ?

Is there any cyoa based on the ttrpg werewolves? I know we have at least a couple for the vampires and there was one for the mages, but I think all the wolf ones we have are unrelated.

>>96755104
>there was one for the mages
Is there?

Stop talking about furries.

>>96755078
If werewolf don't have gift that mitigate silver damage(they usually don't) it would be more or less even fight.

>>96755078
Werewolves have something called rage that works like built in celerity they can spend it to use multiple actions and do other stuff like regenerate injuries.

>>96755104
This one might be.>>96749861

>>96755116
I may be remembering wrong but there were a couple that were at least based on the same kind of system if not straight up the same. I don't remember the names tho, so I may just be remembering wrong. This is also without counting the pile of interactives that have it as an option among all the anime systems.

You retards can speak of snuffing paint for a whole thread but die when it comes to OC? Disgusting.

>>96755078
Werewolves can burn rage to take multiple actions, similar to celerity, but can't soak silver. In short, rocket tag fight.

>>96755182
Yeah, there was a cyan and yellow onepager about Mage, no images.

>>96755186
Where is the OC we are supposed to be talking about? In fact what OC was there for the past couple months? I think I saw them all.

>>96755215
Space Mercs and Creature of the Night are recents.

>>96755227
Technically this werewolf talk was inspired by Creature of the Night.

>>96755227
We had this discussion already. The merc CYOA fell into the usual problems of the sci-fi genre, and you get clear complaints in the replies here : >>96749474

>>96755186
>snuffing paint
Unfortunate typo my friend.

>>96755227
Aren't they sort of talking about Creature of the Night? Personally I don't care for either cyoa, not really interested in operating a mercenary company, nor in world of darkness.

>>96755204
I remember it too. I forgot the name though. Does anyone have it saved?

>>96755167
Probably, but it's also more about fighting women than the Wyrm. There's only so many concubines that I can read about before my eyes glaze over.

CYOA for this feel?

>>96755395
Give me more pixels to work with anon

>>96755395
Ratmachi

>>96755186
>Anon still this buttmad over exotic painter supremacy.

What would be the scariest OR tide build, if they went rogue and starting pvping?

I think throne builds are quite strong in this scenario, but there are clearly ways around it and building around the throne is limiting in some ways. Dreams don't seem to reset, for instance. If they did, the throne wouldn't really fuel the nightmare.

>inb4 muh dickless necromancer

I'm back anons, what did I miss in the last month and a half while I waited out OR?

>>96755470
authordrama
pedofagging
more OR

>>96755465
Rhucuphre mom mind control slave.

>>96755480
jobcuphre isn't beating an average build

>>96755403
NTA but I remember it.

>>96755470
We'll get OCs this friday!!!

>>96755470
Vampire OC, sci-fi OC, some discussion about Otherwise, posting hand pictures, author drama, and martial vs caster shitposting.

>>96755465
My own, of course. You'll never see it coming.
But seriously, we lack any real incentive to do that.

>>96755516
Assume the person is bloodlusted. They retain their cognition but will stop at nothing to kill other outsiders - the extermination of all tiders being their highest goal.

>>96755465
In a 1vMany scenario? One of the demon lords, probably one who took Thaumiel, Seo, and/or Herleva. Alternatively, idr if anyone decided to Fiert with Baf to become nu-Xian, but nu-Xian would be scary af.

>>96755475
>>96755506
explain

>>96755530
Nope.

>>96755498
>>96755498
Imagine being such a miserable RAT.

Even if I had no limbs, blindfolded, deafened, sick/tired/starving, mega cancer, and actively bleeding out, I would still face my fate with conviction.

>>96755529
>In a 1vMany scenario
Can be 1v1 or 1v many

I disagree about the demon lord thing. Spamming templates is useful, but it has it's limits especially against a singular powerful opponent. Certain builds or gifts (like oculus of human goodness) almost entirely cockblock your army.

>>96755526
Are we disqualifying anyone who leans too much on an autoantecedence? It probably has to be someone that doesn't lean so much on their Companions just because they still have free will.
Moreover, do we also assume that they have metaknowledge about the other Outsiders?

>>96755512
>>96755470
This OC also.
And also another oddly constructed OC where you are immortal for 100 years so you must fight a pointless war, and when the 100 years are up you suddenly die.

>>96755590
but that other OC had many pages, so I won't post it.

>>96755580
>Are we disqualifying anyone who leans too much on an autoantecedence?
that's kinda subjective
>do we also assume that they have metaknowledge about the other Outsiders?
I'd say yes, meta knowledge should be included. But not beyond what was posted in this thread.
Either way, all participants should have this information.

>>96755590
Meh, so nothing really noteworthy aside from reverse isekai lord still

>>96755624
Light Overlord jobs to Dark Overlord anyway.

>>96755401
solvefags!
I summon you to solve this!

>>96755465
>inb4 muh dickless necromancer
Your penis is a power limiter
It's only there to distract you from the pursuit of greater power
Discard it

>>96755664
Yes, but as a Spiderwoman.

>>96755664
gige trvke nvke

>mecha wuxia cyoa
what should I call mechas in this setting?

>>96755717
Annihilators of Vengeance. Those are the good mechas. But there are as well rumors of something far more sinister... a Dark Annihilator of Vengeance.

>>96755717
mecha

>>96755726
and when they fight they must enter Destiny Mode. Towards the end of the fight, the winning Annihilator of Vengeance will enter Ultimate Destiny Mode; if the other Annihilator of Vengeance is stuck in regular Destiny mode he's going to lose. The only way out at this point for the losing Annihilator of Vengeance, is to enter Cursed Destiny Mode instead. But that's insanity... it is also the origin story of the Dark Annihilator of Vengeance.

>>96755636
nuh uh

>>96755778
based

>>96751954
>Numenorean Jobber
Come one. My build isn't that bad.

>>96752209
The latter. According to the author it was to help prevent people from making beatstick/baggage mule companions that just do all the heavy work for you.

>>96755717
mech

>>96755564
If you try to Oculus an entire army, you just overexert your gift and lose it (temporarily, but long enough to get overrun). Blazing seal helps but it's finite too. I don't think your example works.

And in general, no matter what you're doing there's a theoretical template that counters you. Demon Lords won't always have the right tool for the job, they don't have perfect control over the letter-spells and they do have a limit to how many Majin they can summon, but I'm still putting my money on a highly flexible toolkit over one-trickers.

There's also the fact that the question was about who'd be a scary villain, and a lot of other powerful choices like IoI and noble claims to hero nations don't work at all if you go full villain, so they're out of consideration. Daemonhost was literally created to be a villain power, so it doesn't have that problem.

>>96751954
Reminder that Turin was bigger and stronger than any of his elven peers, and they were fucking Noldor, the second tallest and the beefiest elves. If you're an Edain/Numenorean it's entirely possible for you to be a genetic freak and stronger than an Eldar. You're not like, Feanor or Fingolfin or anything, but anyone below that level and you're good.

>>96755465
Nah, too many things to consider. Fates, encounters, personal plans and ideas, potential interference of the Elder Gods and/or 0^0...
In truth, there are too many factors even for a good old white room scenario.

Your deadliest foe...

>>96755843
An american?

>>96755843
My strongest ally.

>>96755812
>f you try to Oculus an entire army, you just overexert your gift and lose it
Not sure about that, considering that Barsik was able to live among the Mamet Uruk (supposedly aggro evil monsters numbering in the tens of thousands) with only x1 oculus.

>in general, no matter what you're doing there's a theoretical template that counters you
Definitely not true. Templates are limited in scope and detail. I don't think you could summon a majin to meaningfully counter most builds, unless they are severely deficient in some area. Either you spam fodder or you raise actually useful majin into real people.

Another issue is building your army. You can only summon a limited number each day, and specifying a template further reduces this cap. You can prepare majin ahead of time, but then you run into logistics issues. Feeding, transporting, and staying with an army does not make it easy to be flexible enough to hunt down specific individuals.
And it's not like you can prepare things while nobody else can. The enemy can likewise try to separate you from your army, bring their own army, catch you by surprise, or use any number of methods to deal with the ability. They could even have Daemonhost themselves, or simply rush to obtain a higher power that you have no hope of countering.

Compared to Word of God, Deus Ex Machina, greater Warmachina, rewinding time via the old throne or even just View of Fore + Kneeling Twilight trick... it's not in the same league. Even compared to the dickless wonder (little to no logistics issues, exponential growth, converting enemy corpses, built in revives/immortality), I think it's inferior.
Mao held them back but she still lost to the Ecumene army in the end.

>a lot of other powerful choices like IoI and noble claims to hero nations don't work at all if you go full villain
Eh, you can be pretty damn evil and still have a cult following. Charlie's IoI seems to function well enough.

>>96755941
>Charlie's IoI seems to function well enough.
We were literally told it doesn't tho?
If she's still getting anything from it, it'll be from the Morlocks she's saving from extinction

>>96755976
We're also told that many nations on Doria have Charlie sympathizer factions, let alone within the Ecumene.
If she wasn't a friendless sperg she'd get a lot more out of it. You can be evil and have friends, she just doesn't.

In the first place, wanting to kill other outsiders doesn't even make you outright evil in the eyes of others, if you even reveal that desire. See: Erginter.

With how much anons want to rely on the meta gift trinity, I'm surprised more of them didn't want to combine Kashtanka(two of them seem to have a skill component anons ignore while assuming they'll be equal to the greatest users of them) + One(Ikona Ikon buff and it's useful outside that too, wish I could get him as a mentor)

>>96756009
>skill component
Pretty much all the outsiders excelled at using their gifts. Becoming a master of it eventually is a fair assumption, especially when combined with mental gifts. Kashtanka just makes that process faster and easier.

>>96756085
>Pretty much all the outsiders excelled at using their gifts
Kinda doubt it desu, the ones we know were took relevant mentors/or had Xian's hax. Most of their feats seem possible through casual use combined with having as many gifts as Outsiders can take.

>>96756107
The only ones I'd argue mastered their gifts are Vtorusha, One(Mithra mentorship), and Aat(Xian hax)

Gay

>>96755204
>>96755360
That was for Awakening not Ascension. There’s a difference.

my unfinished OR build was based around collecting corpses and experiencing their memories in a dream to achieve a True Ascension without reincarnating

I'll save it for v3

>>96756134
I might be overly glazing Vtorusha here since we don't even know what half of her gifts do, but I feel like she fits. Call me a glazer if you want, but it would be weird if she didn't master at least Maker's Brush.

reminder that Keter won against Nilmatrix

>>96755104
>>96755116
>>96755182
>>96755204
>>96755360
>>96756195
I found it. Even cropped the editing mistake of transparent bars.

>>96756134
I’d argue that’s only because we know the most about them out of the outsiders.

>>96756009
>meta gift trinity
>not even from their own imagination
>imported as a solvefag measure
Utterly soulless.

Rolled 3, 6, 6 = 15 (3d10)

>>96756243
For the first roll, a 10 means I'll choose instead

>>96756243
Deacon Prime, Initiate Mind

This should be the best combo to learn magic.

>>96756250
>Literally impossible to win
Gay, this trap option mystery box shit is why everyone hates them now.

Rolled 4 (1d8)

>>96756250
Life is all about risks

>>96756243
Time - Archmage
Fate - Archmage

Mad Wizard
“Evil” Wizard
Tasty Wizard
Grand Hubris

>>96756250
nah, I’d win

>>96756294
Nevermind, just read it and it's all traps
Not valid

>>96756287
Do you simply accept the options given?
If one wishes to overturn the heavens, naturally one must defy fate.

>>96756250
>may instead choose your result if you are an Archmage of Fate Arcana
>No mention that you have to choose from the table
It's a bad faith interpretation, but it's a bad faith table, so it deserves it

>>96756243
Unless I’m reading this wrong, you can’t get transcended even with all the drawbacks. You get 1 point of proficiency in 2 arcana, meaning the max you can spend in a single arcana is 21

>>96756243
Time to win this
Proficiency: Transcended
Arcana: Fate
Drawbacks: White Wizard, Faith Wizard, Tasty Wizard, Mad Wizard, Evil Wizard, Grand Hubris
>>96756250
I ignore the table and choose to reach Imperium safely without drawbacks

>>96756243
>by Mottraye
That faggot again?
>Deacon of Fate Arcana
>Initiate of Prime Arcana
>Grand Hubris
I choose to succeed.

>>96756296
>Nevermind-
Too late. You took the bait and now you'll pay for it.

>>96756329
Wait, replace evil wizard with ancient wizard

>>96756330
>I choose to succeed.
That's not really an option. All the results are bad. It's literally a trap regardless of what you pick.

>>96756348
think outside the box gnigga

>>96756333
Nuh uh
Conclusion to cut out the mystery box
Disjoint to untether myself from this foul attempt to bind my fate
Honing to ensure none may bar my path to Imperium
No one bad ends my adventure

have we gotten updates from the friday ocs?

>>96756366
>lowering himself to metashit
Checkmate.

>>96756366
>Your greatest quality is sharpened by exposure of the Knife;
What's yours, Anon? What are you proud of?

>>96756366
Hold up
That Q&A means he technically fulfills Murder's prereq
I stab him too
>>96756373
I'm free, anon. Unbound by the petty restrictions you insist on placing on yourself
>>96756385
My willingness to take risks

>>96756385
Kindness, or so I'm told.
In my case it probably means I'm pacifying foes with the power of friendship and psychology. Not very flashy, but good nonetheless.

>>96756396
>My willingness to take risks
Would sharpening that make you take more or less risks?

>>96756396
>restrictions
They're the rules of the cyoa dumbass

>>96756371
I have two out of three pages done, and have most of the pics for the third page sorted out. Right now I'm on the home stretch. I've got work on wednesday and thursday, but I'll pull a couple of all-nighters if need be.

>>96756413
Pretty sure it'll force them to work out more often, but either of those could happen instead
>>96756416
Nowhere in the cyoa does it say I'm not allowed to use a meta cyoa

>>96756371
Yeah it'll release. Should be a decent 1-2 pager
>>96756418
Damn, I admire the commitement man. Looking forward to it

Rolled 10 (1d20)

>>96749449
Rolling

>>96756513
>Malkavian
RIP anon

>>96756425
Keep doing illegal builds. Retard.

>>96756513
And for the other one

>>96756523
I'm sure Anon is traumatized. Random strangers on the internet don't validate his fun. Imagine that.

>>96756516
I also rolled Sabbat. Honestly sounds fun

>>96756250
I roll a 9

>>96756441
It isn't a pretty CYOA, but I hope it'll be a fun one. I'm super-excited to see what you guys have got planned, too.

>>96749449
>The power of your sire is incalculable
No the fuck it isn't. Even a halfway decent tremere with a good will rating can gain enough temporary generation to run that experiment.
The powers of the 3rd gen were printed in 2e, and they weren't actually that impressive. Age matters way more than Gen, because after a long enough time any vamp can invent enough combo disciplines to effectively wield sphere magic.

>>96756616
>The powers of the 3rd gen were printed in 2e, and they weren't actually that impressive.
Sure bro, Ravnos, one of the weakest Antis for direct combat, tanked everything the Mages and Kue-jin threw at him until they pulled out one of their super weapons and it still probably didn't actually kill him.
>because after a long enough time any vamp can invent enough combo disciplines to effectively wield sphere magic
If that was the case we'd see Methuselahs doing that shit and not getting insta-gibbed by their own sires when they wake up.

>>96756635
>references shitty fanfic tier writing
>Assumes the illusionist went into direct dragonball Z combat and the illusion vampire didn't just make a bunch of people schizo out
The week of nightmares novels aren't actually as canon as people pretend. The writers contradict themselves multiple times on the subject.
The only really solid truth we know about the event is that it happened and that the writer's personally like the idea that ravnos died.
>Didn't read the actual unironic adventure paths with mary-sue vamps that "Ascended beyond using disciplines"
You can hate it as much as you want, but this is an actual thing. Whitewolf writer are some of the most retarded motherfuckers in the industry.

>>96756700
>dubs
Anon speaks the truth. WoD adventure splats can make AO3 writing look like fucking Sheakspear at times. They genuinely break their own setting continuity every time one is printed.

>>96756700
If your argument is "This canon material actually isn't as canon as my headcanon" and you are NOT the Storyteller of a specific game of VTM we're all playing (closest to that would be Sylen) then you have a shit argument, anon.
>You can hate it as much as you want, but this is an actual thing
Didn't say it wasn't, just that it's clearly nowhere near memeing themselves into wielding sphere magic.

>>96756009
Why do people still wank One as this super father/mentor that will teach them absolutely everything they wish for?
He's just a cool dad who used to be a hero, not the answer to all their problems and most of what he can teach you is philosophical, which is great for narrative world but not in the way some anons seem to interpret it.
That said, I'm pretty sure everyone agrees that Kashtanka is a good mentor, people are just limited in the mentor slot department.

>>96756711
>If your argument is
No I'm arguing the "canon material" is self contradictory enough to disagree with itself.
Did you know there was an initial release where the story was that old ravvy died to the first nuclear wave and was barely an inconvenience to the technocrats? That had to be hastily re-written and was covered up because of fan backlash. I think you can still find the proof if you search the archives of the old whitewolf forums though.
Did you forget how the Gehenna book itself says Set is 100% dead in all canon and no ST should Ever change this in the start, only to have him as the main antagonist in a scenario 140 pages later?
"Canon" is a sick fucking joke in wod.

>>96756711
>clearly nowhere near memeing themselves into wielding sphere magic.
Anon, do you know what a hyperbole is? Or what the word "effectively" means?

>>96756715
>Why do people still wank One as this super father/mentor that will teach them absolutely everything they wish for?
I'm not, I think he'll try to pass on his teachings from Mithra like Tank said he will, and will tell you about his own experience with IoI(the gift his mentor made, and he was probably the strongest user of)

>>96756750
If we're in the realm of 'canon doesn't matter and I can claim whatever I want is true' then it's basically impossible to discuss anything. Them being inconsistent and garbage doesn't really give carte blanche to just make shit up and act like it's binding.

>>96756635
>Ravnos, one of the weakest Antis for direct combat, tanked
>Ravnos
>Ante of a clan whose core disciplines include FORTITUDE
>Same Ante who Still lost the moment he got hit with sunlight
Oh wow, the tank clan progenitor can tank a lot of damage. Much impressive, very powerful.

>>96756768
>Holy Strawman batman!
So are you going to actually engage in an argument with other people any time soon or are you just going to keep attacking an imaginary parody of an argument you keep making in your head?

>>96756776
Ennoia is more the tank clan progenitor, Gangrels are the get up and fist(claw)fight your ass Clan. Them and Brujah, but Brujah are fast instead of tanky. Ravnos do have Fortitude, but their forte is supposed to be that they're sneaky conniving illusionists and thieves, they're not really supposed to go and get into fistfights.
>>96756786
Your argument is "Actually Ravnos just used illusions and they never actually fought him" which, okay, that's a good headcanon. But you can't actually dictate to me that's what really happened. More importantly, it doesn't help your original point, which was that you CAN quantify an antediluvian, which, their fucking Disciplines are described simply as "Plot Device", you cannot actually quantify that even if it's not the same thing, in context, as omnipotence. It just can't accurately be measured because of how vague it is.

>>96756768
>canon doesn't matter and I can claim whatever I want is true
Says the man still making the "Ravnos is totally alive actually!" argument:
>>96756635
>and it still probably didn't actually kill him.
when he's been 100% confirmed dead for a while now.
He's dead anon, and the mages killed him.

>>96756805
See >>96756804
And also that line doesn't actually matter for the argument I'm making.

>>96756804
>which, their fucking Disciplines are described simply as "Plot Device"
That rule was a continuation of a rule from earlier books that quantified that vampires beyond 2,000 age have so many discipline dots that they become living plot devices. Antes aren't any different than Ur Shulgi, that one loli niktuku, or any other statless methusela in that regard. It's not something unique to them.
You know what was the actual printed 10th dot disciplines though? They were in the second edition players guide, guide to the sabat, etc. Go read them if you don't believe me.

>>96756804
>>96756811
>B-but Gangrel are way more of a tank
Anon, that's not how that works.
Fortitude is an in-clan.
It doesn't matter that the gypsy clan is more sereotyped for being illusionists, they're still a tank clan as much as the venture or gangrel are.
Fortitude doesn't suddenly stop being fortitude.
Also brujah aren't even relevant to this(or ever), why did you even bring them up?

>>96756822
That's cool, and I knew about the defined 10th dot disciplines, but at that level you do know they can just invent new applications whenever they want, correct? Not like they're bound to those. Regardless, parred down, the point of that post is simply:
>>96756804
>It just can't accurately be measured because of how vague it is.
They're unquantifiable because it's too vague to actually define restrictively everything they can do at 10 dots. It's not about power level, but vagueness.
>>96756833
Do you know what a tank's job is?
>Why did you bring up Brujah
Incidentally, because I said Gangrel are the get up and fight you in melee clan, which also applied to Brujah. This is to co-opt any Brujahfag saying "Actually Brujah are better for that because they have Potence" which they tend to do.

>>96756804
>"Actually Ravnos just used illusions and they never actually fought him"
You got so focused on that one part that you forgot my main point didn't you? Are we going to engage the main point, juggle both like a circus, or are you just more interested on arguing the merits of ravnos's status in canon.

>>96756848
>but at that level you do know they can just invent new applications whenever they want, correct?
They can't actually. Only thinbloods and Caine Himself can do that. It was actually a big plot point that Caine was the only vampire known for inventing disciplines on the fly in noddist lore.
It takes old vamps a fuckton of time an xp to make new powers.

Anons, this is a CYOA thread, not the whitewolf general thread.

>>96756853
>>96756804
>More importantly, it doesn't help your original point, which was that you CAN quantify an antediluvian, which, their fucking Disciplines are described simply as "Plot Device", you cannot actually quantify that even if it's not the same thing, in context, as omnipotence. It just can't accurately be measured because of how vague it is.

>>96756861
Wait, I thought thinbloods were just complete weak ass bitches?

>>96756880
Anon, my first fucking post on this drew a clear delineation between "Ante" and "vampire so old that became a plot devise": >>96756616
>"Age matter way more than Gen"

>>96756885
In V5 sure, but in most of wod's run they were all inceptors. They could make up any disciline they wanted on the fly(as long as they had xp for normal discipline costs). Hell, they could even turn powers from other supernaturals into vampire disciplines, most notably human sorcery.

>>96756869
You had months for OR, and that's without talking about the bullshit you pulled three years ago. You will let me have this.

>>96756900
>Lost the power to rival Caine in return for weak-ass blood alchemy
Thinbloods on suicide watch.

>>96756890
And the point there was that clearly your ancient Methuselahs still can't measure up to Antediluvians like you claimed, they're clearly not meme-ing themselves into full not-Mages or they would be able to fight off an Antediluvian. They can't. Age matters more than Gen up until a point, if Caine decided to just make a brand new Second Gen this day and toss them into a gang of Neonates, the Neonates would win because the Second Gen doesn't know how to do shit yet. But you compare a 6000 or however long it was year old Antediluvian to their 5500 year-old Methuselah childe who has been awake and far more active than their sire, and thus should be more experienced, the Ante still fucking wins.

Why are there so many fucking Dubs this thread?

>>96756918
Why don't you have dubs?

>>96756911
Neat, now how does that make them incalculable? In fact you've just made an argument that "Plot device" vampires can actually be calculated because there's clear powerlevels between them.

>>96756909
>rival Caine
The hubris is laughable

>>96756922
Lmao checked

>>96756925
Caine had to start as a neonate just like the rest of them. If you could somehow make a 3rd gen thin-blood caitiff, then you'd have a mini-caine.

>>96756924
Because it's not about powerlevels, it's about how the limits and specifics of 10 dot disciplines are too vague to quantify. Quantification is about measurability, not powerlevel.

>>96756930
Describing Caine pre-Lilith mommying him as a Neonate is a bit inaccurate, because he hadn't really refined his curse into a powerset yet, he wasn't even doing vampire things at that point.

>>96756932
Powerlevel is a measurable quantity, because quantities are units of comparison. By definition, a powerlevel literally is measurable.

>>96756939
>>96756932
>Because it's not about powerlevels
If you could measure powerlevels, that's not the same as being able to measure all properties. Like breadth.

>>96756938
Caine didn't become a neonate vamp until after he drank Lilith's blood and got cursed. He didn't even have disciplines until then, but the book of nod helpfully gave us his starters(potence, celerity, fortitude).

>>96756940
We've got the breadth though. Even "plot Device" level vamps can't do things outside their disciplines main theme. In effect they're limited to the same requirements as sphere magic, but with different mechanics.

Bread is Dying! Page 10 Immanent! I repeat, Page 10 Immanent!

>>96756953
You have the walls, now what's inside of them?

>>96756885
They are. Thaumaturgy is literally magic with vamp paint; thin blood alchemy is nothing in comparison.

>>96756961
Blood

>>96756979
>Thaumaturgy is literally magic with vamp paint
*Sorcery
Real Magick is something beyond the kin of caine.

>>96756945
Call me blind, but I don't see where in the CYOA you get the book of nod.

>>96756984
Which is why the Tremere are retards.

>>96757000
They were DYING. They had no choice but to become vampires.

>>96757006
>They were DYING
They weren't actually. A few just got grey hair and decided All Magic Everywhere was dying, despite the fact every other house realized they needed to change their rituals because magic was beginning to change.

>>96757011
Tremeres did the same, changing their rituals. It just didn't work out for them because ???.

>>96754204
Future sight only works when used correctly
If you just wear them down they'll make a mistake and die
Psychics usually win

>>96757165
Couldn't they use future sight to see their failure to use future sight, then adjust to compensate?

>>96757374
Yes, but then that would fail as well, and then the next would fail, and the hope is that they exhaust themselves before they see the future in which they win, or that when they see that future they are to tired to enact it

>>96756324
10 (starting points) +11 (drawbacks) +1 (free arcana) = 22

>>96757691
The diviners see the future, the conjurors and elementalists enact it

>>96757826
It's long future sight vs short future sight
Short wins in direct combat, long wins with prep time

Liminal where are you? how's the BMEI update going? did you finish the map?

>>96756243
>+10

White Wizard
>+3

Life Deacon
>-free -10
Prime Initiate
>-free

9 Destiny
>-3

I'll give free unagingness to everyone on Earth.

Anyone have a single page wip of a sci-fi cyoa set in a apocalyptic setting where heat death of the universe is close? It had a dark (probably black) background and was semi fantasy-ish. One of the ship option is an old shuttle haunted by the ghosts of its past crew.

>>96757896
Not single page, not wip, and I don't actually remember a ship with ghosts, but it sounds like it could've been in it. Posting it anyway.

>>96757896
No not this one, but it kinda had a similar vibe. The wip was a space opera/dark fantasy. I remember the factions being called Oracles, Smugglers, Thieves and Saints.

>>96757890
The Last Star? I only have the pdf version though.

>>96757971
>The Last Star?
No not that either, the one I'm talking about is a 1 page wip, but the premise is almost identical.

There is no escape

>>96758090
>>96758090
>>96758090

>>96758094
<3

>>96758094
What a Grand and Intoxicating Innocence!

>>96757028
>Tremeres did the same
They didn't. The house tremere was the most stubborn and egotistical of the houses. They literally couldn't comprehend it being Them that was the problem when it came to working magic.