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Anonymous 10/15/2025, 10:07:21 AM No.96757245 >>96757594 >>96759653 >>96794378

/hwg/ ⟅Historical Wargames General⟆

Anonymous 10/15/2025, 10:10:21 AM No.96757256

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Anonymous 10/15/2025, 12:07:58 PM No.96757594

>>96757245 (OP)
>What helps you choose and focus on the ongoing project? How do you decide what to work on?

Honestly only just really learning to focus. There is a lot of solo time and there are a lot of parasocial temptations, lots of new stuff coming down the pipeline to distract you - you would go crazy trying to do it all.

Even with my goals set fairly modestly: make a few good sized, neatly painted skirmish matchups for the dark ages and 19th century to set alongside my little pool of agnostic sci fi and fantasy minis - temptation abounds.

Someone older than me told me in his time, people didn't really butterfly around between genres and periods. Maybe you did American Civil War and American War of Independence. Or just Ancients, or just Napoleonics or WW2 and were "that guy."

People collected amazing armies this way and could put on some great battles, slowly and patiently.

I like too many different things to fully commit to just one, but I am mindful that given a platoon every other month is my output... I don't need to chase everything.

On the total reverse... someone introduced me to the idea of the "two or three box army" and it allows for you to set a oainting target you can reach while getting matchups with a little asymmetry for play.

My late roman army is mostly heavy infantry and light cavalry, my goths the reverse. It's nice to skew things a bit even when the opposing sides are similar.

Anonymous 10/15/2025, 6:52:42 PM No.96759653

>>96757245 (OP)
>TQ
Priority order:
1. Minis I need for an upcoming game.
2. Minis I want to finish.
3. Minis I feel like working on.

Anonymous 10/15/2025, 8:52:03 PM No.96760552 >>96761525 >>96761597 >>96761616

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To the anon that brought the War in the Vendée to my attention last thread, thank you so much, I'm obsessed now. That's all I've been reading about these last few days.
It's crazy I've never even heard of it, my wife who is French has never heard of it either, it's not even taught in French schools. It's interesting to see conflicts in world history that have very clear black and white good vs evil sides.

Anonymous 10/15/2025, 9:08:18 PM No.96760691 >>96764534 >>96765542

What are the most low IQ normie historical wargame eras?
I think the winners have to be
>WW2
>Vikings
Runner up
>Early Imperial Rome

Anonymous 10/15/2025, 11:03:46 PM No.96761525 >>96761616 >>96765486

>>96760552
French schools go for a massive jump from Louis XVI to WW1. The whole Napolonic era is barely mentioned and there's a couple pages worth of "the democratic experiments" that led from the 1st Republic to the 5th.
There's another couple pages to say life was easier and more meritocratic from the 60s to 80s but no deep dive on Indochina or Algeria either. It's shit.

If you're wife stayed a bit more before joining you she'll be aware though since a Vendean business tycoon and far right political figure built a massive theme park there to celebrate French History. Same guy publicly said every Vendean grows up feeling ashame as kids that their ancestors didn't side with the Revolution but he himself was making sure they won't have to feel this way anymore. If memory serves his theme park financed a movie maybe a couple years ago about this war, but this time the script showed Vendeans being in the right and Revolutionnaries being absolute mongrels.

Anonymous 10/15/2025, 11:13:55 PM No.96761597 >>96761616

>>96760552
The Vendéens got the last laugh, because they sufferer in life but fought like lions, and now they will spend eternity sitting besides the Lord God in Paradise ~ meanwhile the Republican French, from the 1790s to present day will burn in hellfire

Anonymous 10/15/2025, 11:15:37 PM No.96761616 >>96761708 >>96766492

>>96760552
>>96761525
>>96761597
Alright, qrd on the vendee?

Anonymous 10/15/2025, 11:29:35 PM No.96761708 >>96761992 >>96762607 >>96762706 >>96763787 >>96766492 >>96767988 >>96768143 >>96789250 >>96790010

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>>96761616
>French revolution happens
>leftist proto-commies take control of the government
>La Terreur happens and they behead thousands of people who disagree with them
>even leftists that helped the revolution succeed start to get beheaded by turbo leftists for not being left enough
>Atheist leftist government starts cracking down on the Church, priests who don't swear loyalty to the state over God are killed and replaced with state approved priests
>the church owns 10% of land in France and is the only real source of charity and public services in France, provide free education, medicine, etc. to rural French communities
>I'm the Vendee province, it's very rural and poor farming communities, very very devout Catholics who are very close to local priests
>Vendee aristocrats are very poor compared to other French nobles, they are well loved by Vendee peasants and serve them well
>revolutionary state spontaneously confiscates all church property, schools, hospitals, etc. disappear
>Revolutionary state starts beheading priests who don't swear loyalty to state in Vendee- strike 1
>revolutionary state demands 300k conscripts to fight in Belgium for the Republican state, selectively choosing young men who are pro-church - strike 2
>revolutionary state spontaneously murders their beloved King Louis- strike 3
>Vendee men take up arms, led by young rural noble blooded chads to defend their faith, family, way of life (pic related)
>absolutely mop the floor with revolutionary army, over and over and over
>one mistep, get surrounded in fog and lose a decisive battle fighting against 3 to 1 odds
>revolutionary state moves in and genocides 40% of the Vendée region indiscriminately, man woman and child
fini

Anonymous 10/16/2025, 12:18:10 AM No.96761992 >>96765759

>>96761708
This will be the fate of anyone that opposes the Metric system (pbuh).

Anonymous 10/16/2025, 12:57:06 AM No.96762170 >>96762287 >>96762413 >>96767524 >>96767587

There anything for Ancient Greece battles?

Anonymous 10/16/2025, 1:22:08 AM No.96762287 >>96762300

>>96762170
Nigga what do you think

Anonymous 10/16/2025, 1:24:48 AM No.96762300 >>96762395

>>96762287
Last time I looked I ended up getting redirected to some weird skirmish game with undead skeletons

Anonymous 10/16/2025, 1:50:20 AM No.96762395 >>96762403

>>96762300
The anons in this thread are talking about wargaming obscure french counter revolutionary insurrections, and you ask if there is anything for generic ancient Greece battles

Anonymous 10/16/2025, 1:52:45 AM No.96762403

>>96762395
I mean isn't that included in historical wargames

Anonymous 10/16/2025, 1:55:09 AM No.96762413

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>>96762170

Anonymous 10/16/2025, 2:31:40 AM No.96762607 >>96762653

>>96761708
I've never heard of this before, are there any good books in English about this?

Anonymous 10/16/2025, 2:40:30 AM No.96762653

>>96762607
I've been researching very hard and unfortunately most of the books are in French. I settled on these two, but as I ordered yesterday I have yet to read them:
I bought "Louis XVI; or the End of the World" by Bernard Faÿ (1968) and "War in the Vendée, 1792-1796: The History of uprising in western France during the French Revolution, led by royalist and Catholic forces" by Charles-Théodore Beauvais de Préau (1817).

Anonymous 10/16/2025, 2:51:16 AM No.96762706

>>96761708
Anyone know why dudes in this period always wore those paints that split their cock and balls in half? I've seen it in tons of paintings and illustrations, and even movies like The Patriot has them wearing pants that ride up their balls.
Why did they wear those? Seems very uncomfortable.

Anonymous 10/16/2025, 4:49:13 AM No.96763500

The Digby Smith book, save this somewhere. Posted inn the last thread just before it was closed.

https://gofile.io/d/7NA2zS

Anonymous 10/16/2025, 5:31:48 AM No.96763787

>>96761708
Cringe.

Anonymous 10/16/2025, 5:34:08 AM No.96763804 >>96764539 >>96764964

I wanna make a gameboard for my lgs for bolt action. I bought the board already but I dont know how to start with designing it. I was thinking about copying a company of heroes map, but also was thinking about finding a picture of a ww2 battleground. but with the latter option getting the topography right would be a pain. then theres also the problem with scale, and I’ve never done anything like this before. not sure really where to start, I got the poster board, scrap foam and cardboard, and a passing knowledge of paper mache. Any ideas?

Anonymous 10/16/2025, 8:12:50 AM No.96764534

>>96760691
>not ACW/Napo

What are you even doing?

Anonymous 10/16/2025, 8:14:16 AM No.96764539 >>96764725

>>96763804
Maybe give more information? How big should the board be? What do you want to do? Desert? Normandy? Village in Prussia? Ruins of Stalingrad? Summer? Winter? etc.

Anonymous 10/16/2025, 9:24:33 AM No.96764725 >>96764892

>>96764539
50-60 inches each side, its square. was thinking summer in belgium or some part of france. grass, flowers. cottages, maybe a small town with a few buildings and roads. something like that. I dont have an actual place in mind thats half the problem

Anonymous 10/16/2025, 10:07:46 AM No.96764892 >>96766374

>>96764725
Maybe look around youtube for inspiration first? I'm sure there are some great looking WW2 gaming boards out there.

This is in german, but he is building some massive normandy style board right now, and did build other ww2 themed tables in the past:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt4QPNPn9uk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuQir9uvjAw

Anonymous 10/16/2025, 10:23:18 AM No.96764964 >>96766374

>>96763804
Do you want a "generic" board that can be used for "meeting engagements" and other pick-up battles? If so, you probably want something that showcases a range of terrain types; a few buildings at one end, a wood at the other, and some fields and hedges etc.

If you want to do a specific scenario, you can have a LOT more fun, with e.g. V-weapon sites, submarine pens, a command post, etc.

Anonymous 10/16/2025, 12:50:40 PM No.96765486 >>96765793

>>96761525
>a Vendean business tycoon and far right political figure built a massive theme park there to celebrate French History. Same guy publicly said every Vendean grows up feeling ashame as kids that their ancestors didn't side with the Revolution but he himself was making sure they won't have to feel this way anymore.

Et bin, je m'attendais vraiment pas à ce que Philippe de Villiers et son Puy du dingue soient évoqués sur ce fil!
Et sinon, comment il va sur le plan familial?

Anonymous 10/16/2025, 1:14:25 PM No.96765542

>>96760691
>I pick my eras based on obscurity to feel superior to random wargamers
t.nogames

Anonymous 10/16/2025, 2:03:28 PM No.96765692

With the second edition of Dragon Rampant about to come out, is there any reason left to buy Lion Rampant? Will it just be the same thing but without any dragons?

Anonymous 10/16/2025, 2:20:55 PM No.96765759

>>96761992
>metric
Anglish scheme to destabilize the cultures and states of mainland Europe. Napoleon knew this. He was going to destroy the metric system once and for all but was deposed before he could.

Anonymous 10/16/2025, 2:26:40 PM No.96765793

>>96765486
Sarah is bossing me harder than ever. It sucks. I can already tell you 2027 is going to be really intense anon. Today will decide a lot but the next few weeks could be make or break for us.

Anonymous 10/16/2025, 4:22:38 PM No.96766374 >>96775237

>>96764892
Thanks, I’ll check these out
>>96764964
yeah I was trying to do something more generic. this is my first try at doing this type of thing so I want to do a little of everything. maybe have a woodland on one side, a farmhouse on one corner, a little urban area in the center that would be good for defending, an open field area with maybe a couple craters. hell maybe even a river if I can figure out how to use the epoxy stuff

Anonymous 10/16/2025, 4:37:25 PM No.96766492

>>96761616
>>96761708

thick religious peasants hate civilisation, tale as old as time

kb 10/16/2025, 7:09:50 PM No.96767524

>>96762170
The Mega trove has Hoplomachia in the "Perfect Captain" folder. Ancients folder has Macedonian-Punic Wars set from Crusader.

I have "Hoplite Warfare", it's mentioned in the screenshot the fella posted, and it's follow-up "Hellenistic Warfare" . Bought them in the 80's and I doubt they've aged well.

I'm a total luddite when it comes to computers but will give scanning them a go, if you're interested that is ; mind they're 40 year old.

kb 10/16/2025, 7:21:46 PM No.96767587

>>96762170
There's also another old set in the Mega trove. Paean, for battles between the Greek city states.

Anonymous 10/16/2025, 8:22:10 PM No.96767988

>>96761708
based

Anonymous 10/16/2025, 8:33:14 PM No.96768065 >>96768151 >>96769904 >>96772847 >>96772960

Why did the usage of the late roman throwing darts stop?

Anonymous 10/16/2025, 8:42:55 PM No.96768143 >>96768246 >>96768336

>>96761708
>leftists crush right wing retards
A tale as old as time

Anonymous 10/16/2025, 8:43:55 PM No.96768151 >>96772847

>>96768065
Sucked against chainmail which more and more armies were adopting

Anonymous 10/16/2025, 8:59:36 PM No.96768246 >>96768940

>>96768143
Interesting, how many examples of this can you list??

Anonymous 10/16/2025, 9:10:56 PM No.96768336

>>96768143
>getting so mad you’re not getting (you)s you reply 3 times
heres one out of pity now go back to whatever dnd thread you crawled out of

Anonymous 10/16/2025, 10:37:29 PM No.96768940

>>96768246
NTA, but you actually got me to think about this. I can't think of a single example that isn't just the government genociding peasants and farmers

Anonymous 10/16/2025, 10:49:06 PM No.96769009 >>96769089 >>96769139 >>96772847 >>96772885

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Finished my rider now, supposed to be Conrad of Montferrat. Participated in the third crusade, showed considerable talent and leadership, quarreled with Richard and Philip, elected as the new king of Jerusalem and was promptly assassinated by the assassin cult on his way home from a dinner party.

Anonymous 10/16/2025, 11:02:53 PM No.96769089 >>96774361

>>96769009
Amazing paint job, very nice. It's always funny to see random 4chan anons who paint better than the "professional" in house painters at Warlord Games, Mantic, WGA, etc.

Anonymous 10/16/2025, 11:10:57 PM No.96769139 >>96774361

>>96769009
Too bad Vlad got him too.

Anonymous 10/16/2025, 11:25:54 PM No.96769237 >>96769302

I just learned that wind coming perpendicular to the sails results in higher speed than having the wind at your back. It feels like in so many naval wargames, wind at your backs is considered the best, are there any that have winds at your 90/270 degrees being the best for speed?

Anonymous 10/16/2025, 11:34:03 PM No.96769302

>>96769237
Not true at all, it depends on the rigging, as many different riggings perform best in different ideal wind conditions. Square rigging performs best when running and struggles greatly when hard tacking. It would be silly to base a game where the majority of ships are square rig or brigantines off of performance metrics you receive hoisting a fore and aft.
It would be interesting to give slightly different bonuses to, say, a schooner vs a man'o'war, but it would be too convoluted and rules bloated to try to portray all the intricate variants on sails plans in your ruleset if you ask me. Even in a slop rig the ideal point of sail is always 45° off the wind except when running, not perpendicular

Anonymous 10/17/2025, 12:46:59 AM No.96769861

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Baden kickstarter almost finished, 65 hours to go
I'm going to resist the temptation to print any Baden and will focus on printing a complete Austrian collection first
These guys look awesome though

Anonymous 10/17/2025, 12:53:01 AM No.96769904 >>96772847 >>96772960

>>96768065
Plumbata are kind of a weapon of last resort.

Anonymous 10/17/2025, 3:31:02 AM No.96770848 >>96770969 >>96771242

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I talked about it a while back, but my group is making progress on the North Africa campaign for Bolt Action plan.

We're going to use Axis & Allies: North Africa as the base of the campaign system, but rather than resolving attacks country by country, we'll be playing games of Bolt Action to resolve them, zooming in on the crucial engagement each time. Having an advantage in the strategic map will translate to a slight advantage in the tactical battles. Rather than more points or the like, it'll mostly be letting you shape the scenario, picking the deployment type or whatever. If we don't have an appropriate player, like the Italian player can't show up, other Axis players can fill the role, but if you do bring the right force, you get an advantage.

We're gonna start it with Operation Torch in November of 1942 and run for seven weeks. Should be fun. We'll start in November of real life, too.

Anonymous 10/17/2025, 3:56:09 AM No.96770969 >>96771137

>>96770848
kittay

Anonymous 10/17/2025, 4:28:03 AM No.96771137 >>96771864

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>>96770969
Kittay

We've also just confirmed we have all five countries here. Britain, Italy, Germany, the US, and France will all be represented by players

Anonymous 10/17/2025, 4:46:05 AM No.96771242 >>96771257

>>96770848
Very kino, nothing beats a map based narrative campaign. I love map campaigns. Any reason you're playing BA and not CoC??

Anonymous 10/17/2025, 4:48:44 AM No.96771257 >>96771456

>>96771242
Because the group plays BA.

Anonymous 10/17/2025, 5:19:52 AM No.96771456 >>96771495 >>96771701

>>96771257
>Why do you play BA?
>Because we play BA.
No shit. Why?

Anonymous 10/17/2025, 5:24:58 AM No.96771495

>>96771456
Iunno man, I didn't start the group and I'm not about to pester everyone into switching systems when we're already having fun.

Anonymous 10/17/2025, 5:56:10 AM No.96771701

>>96771456
>playing BA vs not playing anything

Give it a rest you autistic faggot

Anonymous 10/17/2025, 6:25:48 AM No.96771864 >>96772031 >>96773377

>>96771137
Why a cat and not a dog?

Anonymous 10/17/2025, 7:03:17 AM No.96772031 >>96772377

>>96771864
You have never noticed only cat "people" do that shit? If you have a cat it is guaranteed you'll post that ungrateful freeloader anywhere unappropriate and uncalled for. Call it toxoplasmosis parasite side effect or the natural low self esteem of parental love deprived patients ready to engulf themselves in a one way toxic relationship, it's all the same: they will act up like a woman and take pictures where the topic at hands is a pityful excuse to expose their filthy pussy.

I have a FB account for wargaming purpose and browsing the wargaming group you could find 50+ photos like the one above without even trying but 0 of dogs. The divide is real.

Anonymous 10/17/2025, 8:42:03 AM No.96772377

>>96772031
Animals are cool anon but I prefer them outside. It really solves about 50% of your problems to build Mouser or Rex a clean all weather hutch or a bespoke one.

If I had pets again they would of course have access to the laundry in bad weather but most problems you havewith any pet come from not giving them a yard, taking them beyond that and concentrating their horrible animal funk into your carpets, clothing and furniture. Ok, so you have a DMZ in your sun room that the dog sleeps in. It stinks. You don't think it does, but it does.

Anonymous 10/17/2025, 11:05:51 AM No.96772847 >>96772853 >>96772903 >>96772966 >>96773372 >>96773666 >>96773682

>>96768065
Because you need a supply of lead, and supply lines broke down as things disintegrated in the Western Roman Empire, it obviously became much harder to keep making them. You still find them (for instance) in Roman-British sites into the early 6th century, but then finds peter out. Javelins became more common instead, as you can make them anywhere. You can keep using weapons you can't make for a reasonable cost (materials, and time).

Plumbata continue in use in the East/Byzantine forces into at least the early 7th Century AD, maybe a bit beyond. But infantry in general was declining in those armies, and were becoming a more defensive arm in favour of the better (equipped, paid, trained, etc.) mounted arm, the offensive arm.

>>96768151
No, most men in most armies were unarmoured for centuries, literally up to the late 12th Century AD. Plumbata were also very good at damaging uncovered horses, and there were plenty of those around. It was about the ability to make the thing, to mass-produce it, and for a cost that made sense. Logistics matters.

>>96769904
Why? They have better range than javelins and you can carry more of them, and yet javelin use was widespread.

>>96769009
Very nice!

Anonymous 10/17/2025, 11:06:58 AM No.96772853

>>96772847
>You can keep using weapons...

*can't keep using...

Anonymous 10/17/2025, 11:19:58 AM No.96772885 >>96774361

>>96769009
He doesn't seem to appreciate having an iron bar up his ass.

Anonymous 10/17/2025, 11:27:58 AM No.96772903

>>96772847
Thanks, that makes sense.

kb 10/17/2025, 11:47:48 AM No.96772960 >>96772972 >>96772996

>>96768065
Fell out of use in the West as the empire relied more on cavalry and foederati infantry supplying their own kit.

Plumbata continued to be used by the East Roman empire for a long time. Leo VI (886 - 912) records the importance of plumbata training for heavy infantry in his book "Tactica"

>>96769904
Hardly a last resort weapon. Launched by the base they had a range of 80 metres, 35 metres if flung like a javelin. Both methods caused some disruption to an enemy's charge and leave time to grasp their Spiculum or Ventulum to meet the charge. Big drawback of the Pilum was you'd thrown away your pointy stick.

kb 10/17/2025, 11:50:58 AM No.96772966

>>96772847
Sorry.

I missed you'd already answered the plumbata questions.

Anonymous 10/17/2025, 11:53:18 AM No.96772972

>>96772960
No worries, I had forgotten how late they were used: I need to read more post Byzantine-Sassanid Wars. Loads going on in the 7th-10th centuries but I don't know it very well.

Anonymous 10/17/2025, 12:01:54 PM No.96772996 >>96773358

>>96772960
Primary soucs suggest they literally were the last thing that would be thrown before receiving a charge but ok.

Anonymous 10/17/2025, 1:48:55 PM No.96773358 >>96773591

>>96772996
That is hardly what is considered a "last resort"-weapon then. Maybe you would should google what last resort stands for in english.
A last resort weapon would be your dagger, if your spear broke, and your axe got stuck in the enemy shield and you are grappling with your opponent on the ground.
Not a missle weapon you plan to use en mass by doctrine to disrupt the enemy charge

Anonymous 10/17/2025, 1:50:47 PM No.96773372

>>96772847
Quality posting. Pretty dope my dude.

Anonymous 10/17/2025, 1:52:08 PM No.96773377

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>>96771864
The dog is a jock and thinks wargamimg is lame

Anonymous 10/17/2025, 2:38:37 PM No.96773591

>>96773358
>in english

Oh look it's this arsehole again

Anonymous 10/17/2025, 2:52:07 PM No.96773666 >>96774860 >>96774860

>>96772847
You left out: pilae were better at penetrating armour

Anonymous 10/17/2025, 2:55:44 PM No.96773682 >>96773696 >>96774107 >>96774226 >>96774573

>>96772847
>No, it's not that armies were adopting chainmail, it's that they were producing and wearing it more often
We speak English as a first language here, sir

Anonymous 10/17/2025, 2:58:34 PM No.96773696 >>96774394

>>96773682
Plumbata were also a bit better at unseating and wounding cavary than foot.

Anonymous 10/17/2025, 4:11:48 PM No.96774107

>>96773682
>We speak English as a first language here, sir
Bah non.

Anonymous 10/17/2025, 4:36:28 PM No.96774226

>>96773682
Käytit käännössivustoa selvittääksesi, mitä tässä sanotaan.

Anonymous 10/17/2025, 4:59:57 PM No.96774361

>>96769089
Well those studio painters have to paint a lot of minis in short amounts of time. But I do think Warlord's painter should stop painting eyes, they rarely look good.
>>96769139
>>96772885
He actually just has a magnet up his ass. I made a pair of painting handles in stainless steel at work and glued magnets at the tip, too weak to hold the riders in place when not standing straight so I glue the mini on. The horse also has a magnet so together with superglue the rider won't fall off. I used pins before but they're hard to position.

kb 10/17/2025, 5:06:06 PM No.96774394 >>96774567

>>96773696
There was a pretty clever variant of plumbata where 3 spikes were added behind the head.

Those that failed to strike a target fell to the ground and became a caltrop thanks to the spikes.

Anonymous 10/17/2025, 5:36:36 PM No.96774567 >>96774860 >>96775431

>>96774394
>throw plumbata at enemy position
>advance towards enemy
>step on your own plumbata caltrops
Seems retarded to me

Anonymous 10/17/2025, 5:37:45 PM No.96774573

>>96773682
Nein

Anonymous 10/17/2025, 6:36:04 PM No.96774860 >>96775521

>>96773666
The Spiculum, the Late Roman variant of the Pilum, was still in use.

Plumbata did not replace the javelin (Pilum or Spiculum), they supplemented it and had longer range, plus they could be lobbed by the rear ranks of a Roman formation for arcing fire into the centre and rear of an opponent's formation. Other javelin types, like the short Veruta, were also employed, as well as things like throwing axes - the francisca-type throwing axe was employed by the Romans, it was not unique to the Franks, used extensively by the Goths, and some suggest, given the common finds in Roman forts, that it was actually a Roman invention.

>>96773666
>better at penetrating armour
Yes, but but many enemies did not have armour: same for Early Imperial period where opponents like the Early Germans tended to have little. Armour-piercing is still effective against armour-lacking targets. Early Imperial Roman infantry fighting say the Parthians would have quickly seen the benefit of having Plumbata to lob back at horse archers, and similarly against Early Germans they would also have been very effective.

The transformation of the Roman army during the 3rd Century AD is where we see a more combined-arms focus, and increasing use of missile weapons (of all kinds) to support heavy infantry. Earlier Roman infantry tactics, while effective, were still less sophisticated. The Roman army of the early-mid 4th Century AD was the peak Roman army.

>>96774567
>Seems retarded to me
Do you really think professional soldiers and officers would not think that through?

Anonymous 10/17/2025, 7:33:03 PM No.96775237

>>96766374
>yeah I was trying to do something more generic.
Do EVERYTHING seperate. Seperate buildings, hills, trees, individual bushes...

kb 10/17/2025, 8:08:38 PM No.96775431

>>96774567
The plumbata was thrown to cause casualties and disrupt enemy charges. Range was 80 - 90 metres.

Roman Legions didn't counter charge, they remained stationary to meet enemy charges.

If the enemy started to falter then the Legions would advance. That advance pushed the enemy back over ground littered with plumbata/caltrops

It was a very effective weapon.

Anonymous 10/17/2025, 8:12:37 PM No.96775453 >>96776853

I've heard in a youtube video that Victrix Normans are notably taller than the rest of their range. Is that true for all their sets? I'm in particular looking at the Unarmored Cavalry (for the spanish options actually), but i cant find a good scale comparison for it. Does anyone got the set?

kb 10/17/2025, 8:25:22 PM No.96775521 >>96775680 >>96776853 >>96777218

>>96774860
Seems folk here are to fixated on what effect a weapon, under optimal conditions, could have rather than did have under battlefield conditions.

Pilum and Spiculum could penetrate armour but they had to actually hit the target to do it.

The 303 and .30-06 rounds used in WWII would kill a man no problem but logistics figures have 45,000 rounds per fatality. It's 50,000 for Vietnam.

At best a Legion would have 10,000 pilum on the day but for plumbata that number would be 30,000.

Anonymous 10/17/2025, 8:53:11 PM No.96775680 >>96776153 >>96776215

>>96775521
It's true I shot 7000 rounds out of a 240 in one single firefight in Afghanistan and I killed 0-1 people, the actual number I'll never know

kb 10/17/2025, 10:06:16 PM No.96776153

>>96775680
Hey friend.

You made it home, in my book that's 7000 rounds well spent.

Anonymous 10/17/2025, 10:12:12 PM No.96776215 >>96776490 >>96779728

>>96775680
Kek, thanks for all that opium I guess.
Are you the Asymetric Warfare player? I'm looking into that WGA operators kit but I'll wait for an insurgents kit to go with before I pull the trigger. I'm aware of Empress etc but shipping is a pain and WGA is available everywhere.

Anonymous 10/17/2025, 10:40:40 PM No.96776490 >>96776773 >>96777197 >>96779522

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>>96776215
>Asymmetric Warfare player
Yes.
I was interested in the WGA operators kit too when they put out that poll asking people what they wanted to see in the kit, but they they revealed the full box and they were laughably bad, they didn't listen to a single suggestion it seems like. They're so generic they would really only work for Hollywood or video game wargames, but they can't represent any actual modern army.

Empress is genuinely supreme and I don't know what problems you've had with shipping, but I just ordered some from the UK to USA like two weeks ago and they arrived within a week

Anonymous 10/17/2025, 11:20:16 PM No.96776773 >>96776853

>>96776490
UK to EU is kind of a joke last time I ordered but maybe it's fixed by now. I'll browse and check, maybe there's a surprise for me.

Anonymous 10/17/2025, 11:29:14 PM No.96776853 >>96777218

>>96775521
Yes, it is the curse of our time: a technologistic approach. The mistaken belief that it is the technology that wins, that is the deciding factor, and not the men using it or the manner in which it is employed. Carl von Clausewitz's "Den Krieg" should be required reading, but most wouldn't understand it anyway. Computed game have reinforced this approach: I would know, since I used to think along similar lines when I was a teenager.

>>96775453
From what I've seen, it's just a few sculpts: a couple of the unarmoured speamen and a couple of the crossbowmen, that are a bit taller but it's no too bad. The rest are in-line with their other "dark ages" figures.

>>96776773
The problem here is shipping to the EU: they are simply full of it, and particularly when the origin country is the UK from what I've heard. Anecdotally, I've had more issues shipping from S. Africa to EU than UK, US and Australia combined. Chicago (US) is the worst however: Putin can nuke that place IDGAF.

Anonymous 10/18/2025, 12:11:07 AM No.96777197 >>96777690

>>96776490
That APC looks amazing. What is it?

Anonymous 10/18/2025, 12:12:48 AM No.96777218 >>96777842

>>96775521
>>96776853
The obscurantist approach. Plumbata are more wounding weapons than killing ones. Not sure the numbers are aposite when men used to pick the darts up and refurbish them. Creates some distortions aout supply. That's ok - it's enough to take a man out of a battle.

Anonymous 10/18/2025, 1:15:38 AM No.96777690

>>96777197
French VBCI

kb 10/18/2025, 1:37:11 AM No.96777842 >>96777864

>>96777218
"The obscurantist approach." ?

Far from it.

The original question was "Why did the Romans stop using darts?"

We both answered that plumbata continued in use until the tenth century and gave clear reasons why it did.

Neither myself or the other fella were claiming Plumbata had any other use than casualties and disruption. Did my mention of the triple spike version doubling as a caltrop not make that clear ?

Our last two posts were in response to the "Couldn't penetrate armour" and "Too much chainmail" comments made by folk who

A. Failed to grasp killing is not the only objective in battle.

B. Even deadly weapons are rarely "One and done"

You must have very exacting standards if you think that is an "obscurantist approach".

Anonymous 10/18/2025, 1:41:19 AM No.96777864 >>96780914

>>96777842
We got taken on a diversion about smelting and logistics when it became obvious that its effectiveness was called into question.

Anonymous 10/18/2025, 6:38:14 AM No.96779522

>>96776490
>they didn't listen to a single suggestion it seems like

They did change the weapons after people suggested/demanded that the guns should be more tacticool

Anonymous 10/18/2025, 7:46:42 AM No.96779728 >>96781418

>>96776215
Maybe you can try 3D Print from Germany
https://www.desk-ops.de/en/Miniatures/Modern/

kb 10/18/2025, 2:06:38 PM No.96780914 >>96781235 >>96781337

>>96777864
I don't know where the "smelting and logistics" came from, certainly not from me. You'll note I don't post "anonymous", I use my initials.

Anonymous 10/18/2025, 3:16:19 PM No.96781235

>>96780914
You should. I can't be expected to kee track of every pseud hack autist here.

Anonymous 10/18/2025, 3:37:11 PM No.96781337 >>96781754 >>96782792

>>96780914
>redditor newfag is namefagging on 4chan
A tale as old as time

Anonymous 10/18/2025, 3:53:40 PM No.96781418 >>96782117 >>96782359 >>96782571

>>96779728
Cool shop anon. They have the darkest gorilla niggers I have ever seen. AK47 Republic here we go!

There's a 0,30€ difference between 20mm and 28mm figs tho. Does it make sense to go with 20mm for ultra-modern? I know I can find plenty of 1:43 diecast civilian cars for about 4€ each at any local supermarket if I go with 28mm, but I'm not sure Hot Wheels/Majorette/Matchbox would be a fit at 20mm.

kb 10/18/2025, 5:08:39 PM No.96781754

>>96781337
Fuck You

Anonymous 10/18/2025, 6:19:56 PM No.96782117 >>96783705

>>96781418
Your average Matchbox car is advertised as 1:64.

kb 10/18/2025, 7:05:26 PM No.96782359 >>96783705

>>96781418
I would take 20mm to gain playing space

Anonymous 10/18/2025, 7:46:47 PM No.96782571 >>96783705

>>96781418
20mm / 1/72 gives you absolutly insane choice of cheap vehicles. I bought like 6 BMPs in that scale from chinese under 20$.

Anonymous 10/18/2025, 8:18:45 PM No.96782741 >>96787383

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Is the file called
>DBA - Rules v3.0 - Rules Only Reformated [sic] (05 mar 2013).pdf
an earlier version of DBA 3.0, or the published one? There's three internally contradictory dates right at the top, November 2011, December 2011, and March 2013, see picrel, but according to wikipedia DBA 3.0 was only published in November 2014

And what about the file called
>DBA - Rules v.30 Reformated [sic].pdf
is it the officially published rules, or some earlier version as well?

Anonymous 10/18/2025, 8:26:31 PM No.96782792

>>96781337
I glad namefags out themselves, makes it super easy to filter their posts. If you're the kind of loser than namefags then it is not worth my time reading what you have to say.

Anonymous 10/18/2025, 10:22:53 PM No.96783705 >>96783783

>>96782117
>>96782359
Thanks for your help. I stumbled upon this article:
sukiwargames.blogspot.com/2025/04/cars-scales-and-wargames.html

Long story short 1:64 toys are dirt cheap, infinite models, available everywhere but the makers don't give a crap about the scale and just try to fit the model in their own presized boxes so you have to check every miniature one by one. 1:48 are hobbyist kits and the makers take it really seriously but it's quite pricey with a sadly limited range and availability. 1:43 is kind of the perfect middle spot for a stingy 28-32mm wargamer.

I'm digging a bit more to make sure most if not a decent chunk of the pseudo-1:64 civilian cars would fit a 1/72 modern soldiers before I commit.

>>96782571
I'm more concerned about diecast civilian cars and trucks so I can spend less time hobbying and more time playing since they come already painted. A quick wash and weathering and the terrain will fill itself with urban covers and obstacles in no time for next to nothing.

Still good to know though as it's definitely a plus in favor of the 20vs28mm debate I'm having with myself. Do you know if it's the same for (MDF) buildings?

Anonymous 10/18/2025, 10:35:32 PM No.96783783 >>96784271 >>96784320

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>>96783705
It's true all 28mm moderns gamers use 1;43 cars. Pic related, my 1:43 cars

Anonymous 10/18/2025, 11:55:47 PM No.96784271

>>96783783
Are you Asymetric Warfare anon or is there more and more ultra modern anons by the hour here?

Anonymous 10/19/2025, 12:04:14 AM No.96784320

>>96783783
Looking nice, as always. With your present knowledge would you recommend me 20mm over 28? I live in an appartment so 1/72 is a solid option honestly. But I do know for sure 1:43 accomodates 28 minis perfectly while I can only guess "1:64" will match 20mm ones. Plus I still need to do my homework regarding buildings and occasional scatter terrain at this scale.

Anonymous 10/19/2025, 7:17:28 AM No.96786951 >>96789222

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I didn't know Fireforge had rules to go along witht he plastic samurai ranges.
What is it like? Anybody familiar with it?

Anonymous 10/19/2025, 9:11:42 AM No.96787383

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>>96782741
As far as I remember, draft versions of the v3.0 rulebook were posted online during the long rulemaking phase, and perhaps even a free 'final' version.
There have been a lot of fan-made material, guidebooks, and rewrites online, so it's a bit confusing.

The "DBA - Rules v.3.0 Reformatted.pdf" file appears to be the official rulebook published with the army lists.

Anonymous 10/19/2025, 6:15:58 PM No.96789222 >>96789639

>>96786951
ive gone on long rants about this in the past and I'm not gonna rehash it all, i'm just going to tell you it sucks dick. lazy and generic. its clear they rushed it out the door to satisfy their kickstarter backers. the minis are nice, the rules are not.

Anonymous 10/19/2025, 6:18:21 PM No.96789244 >>96789711 >>96789778 >>96789952

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the new sabaton song is basically a love letter to historical wargames

Anonymous 10/19/2025, 6:19:34 PM No.96789250 >>96789744 >>96790005 >>96790016

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>>96761708
>18th century liberals
>"proto commies"
You have brain damage.

Anonymous 10/19/2025, 7:20:16 PM No.96789639 >>96789768

>>96789222
NTAYRT but Fireforge miniatures are really weird in my book. I'm really glad they exist because were I live it's the cheapest 28mm plastic kits you can get. By far. But I can't think of a single box I was looking at thinking "oh yeah that's the stuff". There's always something uncanny. Might be a me thing.

Anonymous 10/19/2025, 7:32:30 PM No.96789711

>>96789244
Are you 12?

Anonymous 10/19/2025, 7:36:17 PM No.96789744

>>96789250
I can see where you're coming from but Lenin said something along the line of "we're here to finish what the Frogs started". Granted it might have been a reference to the 1848 Revolution instead of the 1789 one, but you can't have the former without the latter and he did say "proto" so... you can far stretch it I guess, with indsight.

Anonymous 10/19/2025, 7:38:49 PM No.96789768 >>96790198

>>96789639
Their older minis (the knights) are a bit lanky and they did not age well, especially if you put them next to something made by Footsore or Victrix. But their newer sets are quite good, not only the Samurai, but also their Berber and Spanish stuff.

Anonymous 10/19/2025, 7:40:01 PM No.96789778

>>96789244
That band is so fucking cringe

Anonymous 10/19/2025, 8:03:32 PM No.96789952

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>>96789244
It's like a down-market version of that White Horse advertisement.

Anonymous 10/19/2025, 8:12:54 PM No.96790005

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>>96789250
Yes, 18th century liberalism is what paved the way for communism and other leftwing political ideologies. In addition, many of the actions taken by the revolutionary government in Republican France mirrored some of the later core actions taken by communist governments, id est. redistribution of wealth and "nationalisation" (confiscation) of estates and property, complete repression of political opposition, resentment and hostility towards traditional value, religion, aristocracy, "bourgeoisie," etc.
MUH CLASSICAL LIBERALISM that American "conservatives" love to rave about is actually just a rejection of traditional institutions and values in favor of anti-traditional modern ideals.
If this is news to you I suggest you refund your degree from Reddit University and go get a real education.

>TL;DR - yes, the French revolutionary government was proto-communist

Anonymous 10/19/2025, 8:13:46 PM No.96790010 >>96790016

>>96761708
>leftist proto-commies take control of the government
This is where I stopped reading. You clearly don’t have an understanding on this topic outside of some youtube historian churning out political slop videos alongside Tiger phonk edits

Anonymous 10/19/2025, 8:15:07 PM No.96790016

>>96789250
>>96790010
>leftypol gets triggered by meme descriptions
you love to see it

Anonymous 10/19/2025, 8:40:53 PM No.96790198

>>96789768
I had the Ashigaru set in mind. I'll give it a better look tomorrow and try to pin point what is it that is not working for me. But you confirming it's just me is already good news! I'm glad a lot of people can enjoy their sculpts given the great price.

Anonymous 10/19/2025, 10:01:44 PM No.96790772 >>96790779 >>96791263

At what point did manors like this start appearing in Europe? Could it work on the late 15th, early 16th century?

Anonymous 10/19/2025, 10:02:47 PM No.96790779 >>96790828

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>>96790772
Oops forgot pic

Anonymous 10/19/2025, 10:03:38 PM No.96790784 >>96794387

GODDAMN IT
You don't just get the STLs immediately after a kickstarter pops?
Now I have to wait 3-4 weeks until they send them to me
I was going to start printing like mad today on my days off

Anonymous 10/19/2025, 10:10:10 PM No.96790828

>>96790779
Says 2024 right here on the picture anon.

Anonymous 10/19/2025, 11:21:15 PM No.96791263

>>96790772
17th for the glazed windows, otherwise late 16th with the dormer popularity. Not enough of an architecture nerd to know more about manor traditions.

Anonymous 10/20/2025, 2:37:16 AM No.96792833 >>96792844 >>96792855

outside the UK, what do you think is the best area for historical wargaming with the most clubs and players? probably would be impossible to get a factual answer but I'm really impressed by the amount of /hwg/ you can find around my neck of the woods in Waukesha, Wisconsin

Anonymous 10/20/2025, 2:38:56 AM No.96792844 >>96792862

>>96792833
What does this vague question mean. Like you're wondering what geographical area has the highest density of historical wargamers outside of the UK?

Anonymous 10/20/2025, 2:40:38 AM No.96792855 >>96794390

>>96792833
Always surprised how well the Italians do and how big the hobby is in places like New Zealand.

In Australia there is a lot going on but you have to be on social media snd I just don't want to

Anonymous 10/20/2025, 2:41:57 AM No.96792862

>>96792844
yes pretty much

Anonymous 10/20/2025, 3:00:27 AM No.96792990 >>96793085 >>96793119 >>96793805

>youtube channel is going to collab with Little Wars TV next year

I made it bros. I'm gonna be in the pictures. I'm gonna be a star.

Anonymous 10/20/2025, 3:17:38 AM No.96793085

>>96792990
Pluses: you are going to fuck a lot of unsatisfied wives.

Minuses: LW tv will make you do it all for free

That said, they do a big project well. Well done

Anonymous 10/20/2025, 3:22:12 AM No.96793119

>>96792990
Did you submit a video for their battle report competition?

Anonymous 10/20/2025, 5:50:53 AM No.96793805

>>96792990
Be sure to mention us.

Anonymous 10/20/2025, 9:05:46 AM No.96794378 >>96794415

>>96757245 (OP)
I honestly have a ridiculously hard time focusing on any given project and just bounce between subjects constantly; I'll finish a single 15mm tank then not work in 15mm again for months (28mm, 8mm, etc all take my attention).
Long and short, if I start a project, I usually finish it, but never with any consistency, almost never a full unit.

Sidenote but semi-related, anyone have the new Bagration compilation book? No luck over on Telegram.
I'm the fag working his way through Flames of War, Team Yankee, and Bolt Action (maybe K47 eventually, but that'd be far in the future) so I appreciate any aid from the community here.

Anonymous 10/20/2025, 9:08:05 AM No.96794387

>>96790784
Depends on the KS
A lot of them have the non-stretch goal STLs ready immediately, but there's always an excuse for some to not.
Usually they make that clear from the get-go, though, chummer, so I dunno what to tell yah.

Anonymous 10/20/2025, 9:08:29 AM No.96794390

>>96792855
It's kind of a secret thing in New Zealand. I remember a dad having a whole page article in the local newspapers about him not finding a single opponent for a game of Bolt Action in our small town.

For me I knew at least two /hw/ and three /aw/ within ten minutes drives of my house but it's something they kept under the radar and there was no local club or anything.

Anonymous 10/20/2025, 9:14:02 AM No.96794415 >>96794432

>>96794378
>I honestly have a ridiculously hard time focusing on any given project and just bounce between subjects constantly; I'll finish a single 15mm tank then not work in 15mm again for months (28mm, 8mm, etc all take my attention).
Long and short, if I start a project, I usually finish it, but never with any consistency, almost never a full unit.
Sounds like ADHD to me.

Anonymous 10/20/2025, 9:21:46 AM No.96794432 >>96794443

>>96794415
I am very retarded and unmedicated, yes.
No, my insurance won't cover it.

Anonymous 10/20/2025, 9:26:30 AM No.96794443

>>96794432
drugs can help, but are only a stop-gap measure. Common wisdom for productivity does not apply to an ADHD brain. If that is really the problem there, you'll need different tools to organize yourself.