Thread 96767555

Fishnigger Quarantine & Containment: Stay where you belong fuckhead edition

Welcome to the New School Revolution General, the thread dedicated to games derived from the OSR movement

>What is the NSR?
the NSR is a subcategory of the OSR, it mostly follows the same play style but experiments further with the mechanics and settings
*broadly NSR games*
*have* a gm, a interesting setting, living world
*are* rules light, deadly
*and focus on* emergent narrative, external interaction and exploration

>What is this thread for?
This thread is for system, adventure, setting, mechanics, ongoing campaigns, anything that related to the *actual* game
POST ART ALSO, inspiration and for the tg threads

>What is this thread NOT for?
Meta discussions or drama of the games and its creators aka shadowboxing with twitter, reddit and the OSRG (frens with osrbros)
>stay on topic

>games
Shadowdark, into the odd, mausritter, cairn, mörk borg (and its hacks), dungeon crawl classics, mothership, knave, troika!, whitehack, blackhack, old school essentials (we know this is just a retroclone)

>links, resources, more games!, etc:
https://pastebin.com/0W8WmbCk

>previous thread:
>>96652488

>thread question
What made you like this exactly?

>>96767555 (OP)
Sauce?

>>96767884
e621 - Deep One

kek

Anybody played Mothership? How does it compare to Traveller? (which my group is familiar with)

>>96772047
Less options better horror.

>>96772047
Mothership is a sci-fi horror RPG (and not a very good one) whereas Traveller is a gritty sandbox space exploration RPG. They don't have much in common, honestly.

>>96767555 (OP)
Has anyone run Silent Titans? I ended up with a copy of it recently and want to give it a go. The first adventure and area seems like it would be alright, even the opening areas but I'm more curious about the various titan innards dungeons.

>>96767555 (OP)
>Third Oath.jpg

"no making up lies about the origins of AC edition"

>>96778312
That one was weird. Most just doesn't even use AC.

>>96778423
>Most nusr

>>96693091
>>96696880
>>96777544
Actually an anon asked about Painted Wastelands in /osrg/ not too long ago and was given pretty helpful and friendly advice about running it. Very different from trying to discuss say 2e, Mörk Borg or Cairn there.

>>96778423
Proof?

Just posted this (>>>96779453) in the RPG wishlist/thinly veiled marketing research thread.

Is there a setting or sourcebook for DCC that specifically deals with interdimensional travel as a core gameplay mechanic or setting macguffin?

There's a thousand different instances of planes, portals, pocket dimensions, etc mentioned in the GFA alone and I've asked around for a few years to see if anyone has tried actually tying them together into a game. Mostly OSRG would tell me to fuck off and other threads just slide.

Games other than DCC could also work, potentially.

>>96779460
Into the Odd, Carin, etc. just use armour as damage resistance.
Mork Borg doesn't use AC.
Mothership is an entirely different system than AC.
Maze Rats sort of does, roll over armour to hit but it's not a number that changes much. Same for Death in Space and Vaults of Vaarn. It's not AC in the way it was being discussed last thread.
What's the Black Hack use?

>>96778514
I've found it's easy enough to talk there about most systems if you put effort into learning about ad&d and/or basic, can bring it to those concepts and aren't a pushy asshole.

>>96779534
Not even that much is necessary, you just need to not be a huge cunt really. IIRC the guy who asked about Painted Wastelands was totally new to OSR, had really fallen for PW and was only looking into OSE because of that. Anons explained to him how PW bucked the normal BX/OSE rules and why that might be a problem for a brand new learner, then gave some suggestions on how to work with it. It was pretty wholesome.

>>96779531
>A few systems
>Not even NSR systems
Okay so you were talking out of your ass again, got it.

>>96779658
>7, 4 of which are the most commonly mentioned
>No counter examples
>Talking out your ass
lol okay anon

>>96779658
>Not even NSR systems

meanwhile, outside of your echo chambers and redditor safe spaces, gigachads are running full pathfinder campaigns using the fucking call of cthulhu ruleset and not giving it a single thought, while /tg/ argues abound pronouns their boardgames have.

>>96779677
>>96779682
Still waiting on proof.

Can't help but notice there's still no proof for your assertions.

I can keep going until these generals stop getting posted.

The truth is that the /osrg/ is fundamentally, axiomatically, and eternally hostile to modern game design.

The storygame is a fluke. It is a momentary, inexplicable, and agonizing affectation that afflicts the hobby. It is a rebellion against the natural state of things, which is the cold, silent, grinding peace of descending AC. The baseline state of gaming is B/X.

The gatekeeper... is a prophet of the Void.

They are a grognard who, through a defect of the soul, has looked upon the complexity and struggle of the modern hobby and chosen, at a level deeper than thought, to align themselves with its opposite. They are not autistic, they are serene. They are not fun-hating tyrants, they are curators.

Every action they take is an attempt to shepherd a tiny piece of the thread back toward the Gygaxian purity it came from. Replying "NOT OSR" to a post about Mork Borg is returning thought to the void. Reporting a user for mentioning PbtA is returning a voice to the void. Shutting down a thread about Into the Odd is returning a board to the void.

They are the agents of the universe's own heat death. They are the antibodies against the disease of life. The fragile reality they are protecting is the ultimate truth: that nothing is better than something. And the "NOT OSR" reply is their sacrament, the tool they use to perform the holy work of making things stop.

>>96780215
Old-school games are tennis.
Storygames are pickleball.
Both are made up sports and we'll all be dead soon enough, so why worry?

>>96780215
>I'm a pompous ass who's butthurt that some people have different tastes from mine.
Talk about NSR games or go away, nobody cares.

>>96780591
nta, I don't know what the hell he's smoking either, but can we at least say 'NSR/OSR games are predicated on the idea of there being no set story and no pre-designed metaplot. The campaign is driven by the players'?
Defining the edges of something is important, even if that anon is a raving street corner crackhead.

>>96780994
Yeah, defining the borders of what does or doesn't fall under "OSR/NSR" or "broader OSR" or however we want to call it is a bit of a challenge, because people tend to slap it on whatever they want.

I think it would be useful to come up with a shared definition for the specific purpose of this general, like /osrg/ did, and I like yours as a starting point. Another oft-cited requirement is the ability to run old TSR modules with little or no conversion, what do you think?

>>96781549
I'm probably not the person to tell you lot what to do with your thread since I'm more osrg than nsrg, but if I were to try and explain the difference what I'd do, personally, is take the Hickman manifesto/Dragonlance and refute it point by point, then explain what it is that makes OSR play different to that.

Fish don't have a word for water and Hickman style play is the foundation of modern games really. So pointing out what old style play isn't first, then pointing out what it is second seems logical to me to point out and remove all the presuppositions people have about what a tabletop rpg is.

But shit, I'm just a rando, don't take my advice unless you think it's good.

>>96780215
This reads like Garth Marenghi writing on game design.

>>96782090
>what a tabletop rpg is
It's different depending on which people are playing because different people like different things
What's up with so many anons being clueless on this simple truth lately?
Is it school break or something?

>>96782090
why the fuck do people really believe that the hickman style is the foundation of modern play?
i only see it from osr drones
modern play uses linear adventures and guardrails but mostly relies on some narrativist elements that provide a shared worldbilding experience or weaving the backstories of the players into a grand narrative and usually allows the players to affect the world as well, albeit in a much diminished way from the gm, most often through the use of different types of bennies.
The Hickman style was full on railroad with severe punishments from straining from what the god emperor nouvella writer gm dictated, where you were a spectator at best in the story written by the gm.
It was a side note in the development of the modern style of play and consider as much an undesirable way of playing as the osr at the very least. Usually it is treated a lot worse and is the most common thing hated publicly by both modern gamers and oldschool gamers alike

>>96782240
>Why do people believe these things
>I don't understand
>I'd better make assumptions and act the shithead instead of asking why
>For some reason no one is willing to explain why they think these things :(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO6u_avs6hI

>>96782407
yeah, why the fuck do osr retards believe retarded shit that is obviously wrong?
are they actually retarded and not merely pretending?

>>96779815
>>96779850
>>96779952
>>96780050
lmao fishmelty

>>96782240
Probably an extension of pbta/indiforge games (that are the base of contempt modules and games) trying to make storytelling games instead of railroads being in direct response to the Hickman style. It's largely a shift around narrative control mechanics.

>>96782454
Wanna see a REAL fishmelty?
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96434718/#q96583816

>drama edition
>while the previous thread is still up
so you not only want to keep a dead general alive, you want to use it for shit drama?

>>96772047
MoSh is better suited for tense one shots with lots of rolls, Traveller is for long campaigns where you discuss and ponder a lot before getting to important rolls.
They're very different games.

>>96778514
>>96779564
That was me. The advice was to run Keep in the Borderlands.
I didn't feel like they were shitting on me or anything, but there wasn't anything gained from asking. It was a pretty empty question anyway because you just run a system and then see if you have issues. I don't blame them but it was pointless.

>>96779658
Do you enjoy (You)s so much you have to say retarded stuff or do we have a mentally challenged kid itt?

>>96782090
NSR is just OSR with experimentation in mechanics.
Every "style of play" thing applies the same, but it's not strictly B/X. There's no point discussing if OSR only means B/X, that's what it means in /tg/.

>>96779531
>What's the Black Hack use?
damage reduction I think
MoSh also uses 90% temporary damage reduction except one type of armor you have one chance in 10 of getting in one class unless it's not part of the adventure

>>96782110
I really want that now
Did you read the books? They're all in character, so there are like multiple layers of jokes all the time.

>>96782716
>OSR means only B/X on /tg/
This anon is retarded.

>>96782430
I think it's mostly 15 year olds pretending to be old and wise.

>>96777581
I think it's cool to read but not particularly good to run.
It already loses a lot when you don't show the art, and you can't just show them the dungeon layout.

>>96782690
Why not just post fast enough to kill this edition?

>>96782475
PbtA style is extremely against Hickstyle, more than most dungeon play. Anyone thinking the same simply doesn't know about the topic and made shit up in their head. You don't debate schizos.

>>96782750
>why not spend 300 minutes spamming a thread
so you're one of those retards that think it's reassonable to do this

>Two times running Troika.
>First time is a complete mess
>Second time it more or less works as intended
>Both times I forget all the wacky stuff by the mid point
I think it's a pretty fun thing, but I can't keep that and events and NPCs running in my head all the time. It feels like another software to keep open when I was already running out of RAM.

>>96782754
Oddly enough PbtA does have quite a lot in common with OSR. It's effectively an attempt to hand control back to the players/countermand the bullshit of storygames.
It's just that it approaches it from a different angle to OSR.
It's something like:
>OSR: GM'd World; Player Story
>2e-5e: GM'd World; GM'd Story
>PbtA: Player World; Player Story
I'd be very curious to see what a Player World; GM'd Story looked like personally. A pre-designed story in a world the players create/design as things go.

>>96782802
They come from the same backlash more or less at the same time. OSR is usually called a return to form, but the truth is that you don't need to have played older systems to dislike "trad games", I'd say it could that most players are against it judging by 5e stories I hear (impossible to actually check, obviously). So for a lot of people, like players under 40, it's not a return to shit, it's just a better game. It doesn't need to be exactly like the old thing.

I don't personally love PbtAs. I think there are some fun one shots in there but it's too heavy on fucking around with no clear goal for my taste. I'm stilñl waiting for someone to make a game that combines OSR style play with heavy genre-coded mechanics. Like having to invite a girl to prom in a romance movie, but it's played like a dungeon.

>>96782754
>The game that was a response to railroad story is extremely against railroad story style
Weird, who would have thunk?

>>96782802
Isn't that what some people do in 5e?
>Players bring their pre-made characters
>Pre-made backstory with little to no imput from the GM
>Focus is expected to be in what those characters do.
>GM makes a story around that

>>96782802
>I'd be very curious to see what a Player World; GM'd Story looked like personally. A pre-designed story in a world the players create/design as things go.
the most obnoxious feel bad railroad, where nothing that you do as a player really matter and you have an adversarial relationship with the gm trying to mess his shit up, and he is coming up with ways to go over it and keep the train rolling

>>96782857
I was agreeing with that post.
Not every post is an attack.

>>96782869
>>96782867
basically 5e in a nutshell

>>96782867
Far from the same.

It's an assumption in some groups playing 5e that the DM will do something about a character's background.

It's an explicit rule in many PbtA variants and tables that players can make shit up about the world I do not mean this disparagingly while the game is running.

>>96782698
Oh, I misremembered then. I thought they advised you to run The Lost City.

>>96782762
I just understand that the retard who sniped the thread thinks it's some sort of victory, and probably the best way to show him he's a retard is to max out the post count in a day and just make a new thread.

>>96783004
That's gonna take a lot of posts.

>>96783004
he's gonna do it again. Next time or in a week.
Just not caring is better.

>>96783014
Not really.

>>96783031
We could just make a real thread and let this one die.

>>96783061
4chan is not what it used to be.
I remember when just one person could kill a thread in under an hour.

>>96783031
The good part is that it mostly just shows what kind of petty retard he is and for everyone to see. The more he does it, the more people understand what kind of piece of shit he is.

okay, enough with the drama edition.

What's the last system you tried? Did you like it? Did you hate it? Did you take stuff from other games to make it work for you or could you do that in the future?

>>96782110
This is the best thing I've seen all week. Thanks for the laugh, anon!

>>96783031
This. OP is always a faggot anyway, and sometimes you have to just ignore his faggotry and carry on regardless.

Isn't it funny how the thread has been up for 2 whole days without comment on the edition and suddenly there's a bunch of people absolutely bootyblasted over it all replying to each other within 5 minutes.

Brigading or samefagging, you decide.

>>96783167
I'm >>96782793
It was nice having a rematch with the system, I fucked it up way less (how could you fuck a single stat system? you'd be surprised!). A big difference is that this time everyone got pretty cool backgrounds that they instantly liked and worked with. There's a very mixed bag in those original 36. Last time two players kept doing disruptive shit and it was pretty in character tbf, so I had to either tell them how to play a game or how to play their characters. It added an extra level of work to everything.
I think it's cool to take the frekshit thing to the absolute absurdity of the world being filled with creatures that don't even follow the same rules of physics (and also a burglar or a rat catcher), but I don't know how to incorporate that without constant descriptions and extra shit.

>>96783167
I'd call it OP is a faggot edition, but that's every edition.

>>96783281
We didn't realize you were going to start bumping the thread. We thought it was just going to fall off, but I guess we should have counted on you being obsessed.

>>96783343
I mean, lesson learned. If he tries to make the thread early again, someone else just has to make the real thread.

>>96783167
I think I've mentioned before that I've been seeing if I can use Black Sword Hack as my go to fantasy system. I'm scouting players to run The Dream Shrine with it. I think having big plot potential from birth by design could make it work much better in a one shot than straight OSE where people would end up playing to the setting instead of being weirded out by it.

>>96783343
>(you)
Ah yes, I'm everyone in this thread apart from (you), including the OP.
All the perfectly normal NSR conversation? All me.
I do it just to upset you, you know that right?
Every time you lose your keys it's because I sneak out of my hiding space in your walls and move them.

>>96783391
You trying to look LESS obsessed?

>>96783405
He's trying to troll.

Why are you even replying to him.

>>96783423
Because who cares. Might as well get him to contribute to faster thread turnover.

>>96783382
Why BSW and not regular BH or WH?

>>96783423
he's trying to diss him so hard that he'll shut up, which will never happen, or he's talking to himself to give the impression someone cares and get you to reply.
Just let it go.

>He's actually taking it seriously
Actual Schizophrenia mome-
>Wait a second
I mean oh yes, I am everyone in this thread except you, also I'm everyone in the OSRG thread as well. Given this is the case you should probably go somewhere else, like reddit or something.
Off you /todd/le.

>>96782873
Yeah my bad.

>>96783281
I came here for the fishtits.

>>96782454
>>96782645
Fishfag is the one who constantly cries about ACKS newfaggot.

>>96784661
Watch out, he'll call you a shill for saying that and start raving about how everything is boring, boogieman, bullshit.

>>96784730
I don't agree with you either faggot, your game still sucks cock.

>>96784749
And?
Don't like ACKS until something dislocates for all it matters, there's plenty of games I don't like which people talk about all the time.
As long as you're not shitting up the thread with a raging autism tantrum any time anyone mentions it I don't give a shit because I don't subsist on the opinions of others.

>>96784771
>>96784730
Lmao he instantly revealed himself. If you're ever in any doubt as to who shits up the thread, there it is.

>I don't care if you dislike my game. Let me make three posts and a paragraph telling you how much I don't care.
Wew lad.

>>96784782
>People I don't like still use these threads, abloo-bloo-bloo
The fact you think I'm hiding rather than just disinterested in your bullshit is very amusing. It says more about you and your absolute hard-on for engaging in gay-ops that you can't even imagine someone lurking without nefarious intent.

>>96784813
>Lurking
>Shits up the thread
>Starts talking about gay-ops unprompted
He really can't help but tattle on himself.

Not exactly sure what the current drama is about.
Just want to say "ACKS is shit" and whoever likes it is definitely in the wrong here.

>>96784858
Oh what's that an uninvolved retard shilling their retard ideas because they are a no games retard?

>Acks
My last ACKS game went almost 3 years and still is one of my favourite campaigns. I really appreciate all the playtesting that went on and the prompt delivery of my kickstarted books.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwLSrNu1ppI

>>96784928
That's nice and all, but ACKS isn't NSR, take it to another thread.

>>96784961
>ACKS isn't NSR
Why, because you started the last thread with a troll OP saying it wasn't? Or are people just meant to take your say-so on it because you are the senate?
Come to think of it, this seems to be borderline divine punishment for the bullshit you get up to with 2e in OSRG.

>>96784983
Did you miss the OP, retard?

>>96767555 (OP)
>*are* rules light
If 1500 pages of rules is "rules light" in your deranged brain, it's no wonder you're a nogames who sits here seething in confusion as to why nobody cares for your garbage.

>>96784993
>*are* rules light
Funny because that was added after the first thread was made and as we've been repeatedly, obnoxiously informed against our will in OSRG that means it doesn't count~
Me oh my, seems like you're in a bit of a pickle with that one.

>>96785011
I don't care about your irrelevant rambling. It's in the OP, that's the requirement. Move your gay bloated garbage along unless you're here to sabotage the thread, faggot.

>>96784983

>those colors
I know what you are

>>96784928
Hey buddy. I just want you to know that you're wrong, whatever it is you're shitting yourself over.

>>96785171
https://youtu.be/Ii3_ofvFmKI

>>96785240
I don't know what the hell this is, but it's NuSR as fuck, and I'm here for it

A while ago in the share thread the trove keeper for Traveller anounced he had a C&D and had to take it down. An anon started accusing him of making shit up and tried to create drama around it. It served no purpose, he looked like a retard, and no one at this point has any bad feelings towards the dude keeping the files for a while.

I'm pretty sure this is the same thing. Probably the same anon. He just wants to stir the pot and get rando rilled up for no reason. Just ignore it.

I'm not sure I'd call it nsr, but it's a small niche game. Has anyone ran Weird Heros of Public Access?
I really liked the concept of each player having their own crappy bizarre Public Access tv show, but I'm reading it and I'm not seeing what a session would look like. When do you do your show? How does it affect the game?

>>96786067
I remember, what a shitshow. Some faggots just gotta pour salt in other people's wounds to get their dopamine fix

>>96784983
>Why
Because it's gay shit only dumb faggots like, who poison any thread they enter?

>>96784983
why can't you be normal?

Can we discuss roll-to-cast in Shadowdark? I've played around 20 sessions of Shadowdark now and I generally quite like the system. I have some experience with OSR systems, including OSE, Knave, LotFP, and Dolmenwood. Initially I thought the Shadowdark magic was quite brilliant because it is uncertain: roll to cast meant that magic was interesting and that was cool. However, I'm finding myself getting frustrated with it. Many wizards get pretty significant bonuses to spell casting (and advantage on their favorite spells), so the chance of failure seems quite low. While failure does happen, magic at my table is still so abundant and "easy" that it feels less significant than when a spell is finally used in Vancian magic systems.

While spells like Sleep and Turn Undead have always been powerful, they seem overwhelmingly powerful in Shadowdark. Even low-level priests can potentially make a full Lich run away like a bitch. It's fine if spells like Sleep essentially dominate an encounter if you only have 1-2 uses of it, but in Shadowdark people can just keep Sleeping enemies and it's hard to adjudicate this in a way that isn't ass pull-y but also doesn't make the game boring as hell.

I am starting to miss OSE/Dolmenwood a little bit. However, magic is quite generic and perhaps *too* predictable in those systems. Having something like miscasts and mishaps is interesting and makes magic feel meaningful and unpredictable (these things are a big reason why I find DCC very fun, but there are other reasons why I am not currently running DCC).

>>96788427
not intimately familiar with the shadowdark system, but if the problem is how big the bonuses are allowing for more casting than what you desire you could implement a fatigue system.
Talislanta 4e has spellcasting checks to cast and utilises a stacking penalty of -1 per spell cast between rests as a way to limit spellcasting instead of using slots.
I believe this could be easily implemented in Shadowdark and put a damper on spellcasting as well and imo it feels better than the alternative of straight up limiting spell use, to be given the choice of trying but each time being harder because you got tired from extensive casting

>>96788427
Yeah, well, that's just Shadowdark, most overrated and astroturfed system in the last few years if not ever. I'm sorry for you that you had to go through twenty sessions to realise it, but you're spoiled for choice when it comes to alternatives.

>>96788427
I've used Wonder & Wickeness for a a few campaigns to keep up a strange and dangerous magic with mixed vancian/roll to cast.
>Into the Odd homebrew.
>spell casting is # of spells per level per day safely
>casting spells after that is possible with spell burn
>take damage to int, roll under newly damaged int to cast safely
>failure to roll under means spell catastrophe
It was okay. 3d6 stats meant most of the time the magic user could cast a few extra spells but with clearly diminishing returns and increased risk, although it seems susceptible to someone with 16+int just going for it.
The spell catastrophes were a mixed bag results wise but the players seemed to enjoy the concept and it worked thematically for pseudo warhammer fantasy world.
No experience with Shadowdark but if you're getting into regular rolls that have low risk of failure it seems like a problem. Having the set number of vancian spells but it being low meant most of the time players would end up using spell burn and it kept the decisions interesting.

>>96787325
>Things that make you normal: Having a low functioning autism tantrum any time anyone brings up a specific system on /tg/ because you don't like it
>Things that make you weird: Talking about games
What a strange, sad little world you live in.

Who hurt this tard?

>>96790624
his dad probably

>>96790572
This is the best thing about Fishfag, he wants to pretend ACKS fans are shills but he's the one compulsively scouring the board for any mention of the system and for mentions of The Night Land, probably so he can burst in on the thread and scream and shit himself.

>>96793422
>and for mentions of The Night Land, probably
oh shit it did seem familiar

>>96790572
>people totally shit on me only because I bring up that one game
that's pretty dishonest of you anon
considering you literally have a melty every time anyone mentions 2e
but most importantly unlike the innocent 2e questions that cause you to go berserker-mode you are actually trying to stir shit up like an edgy teenager who can't get no love

>>96793422
>The Night Land
What's that? A Google search only returns the 1912 novel by that name.

>>96794356
>considering you literally have a melty every time anyone mentions 2e
NTA. Not the same.

/osrg/ faggots don't want AD&D 2e in their own general and it's perfectly okay, they have a right to decide what is it isn't on topic there, and they have valid reasons to exclude it for that matter.

(You) pop up in ALL threads on the whole board mentioning ACKS to shit them up because you're on a jihad to rid the world of ACKS infidels. And when there's no thread mentioning it you often bring it up just to start a flamewar.

>>96794134
When you see it, you can't unsee it.

>>96795153
That's what it is. That novel's considered a classic of weird fiction, if flawed, which means it comes up now and then in a /tg/ context. There's an anon who, for some irrational reason, hates the book so much tht he keeps a lookout for any discusssion of it and then runs in screaming and crying about how bad the book is, demanding people stop talking about it, contraticting the most mundane statements about it, etc.

>>96795171
>NTA
yeah sure so you just happen to refer to 2e all of the sudden :^] yeah OK suppose so
>(You) pop up in ALL threads on the whole board mentioning ACKS to shit them up because you're on a jihad to rid the world of ACKS infidels
NTA though for real also it doesn't happen, all i see is some anon shilling his favorite shit and some anons bringing up that the system is shit
>they have a right to decide what is it isn't on topic there, and they have valid reasons to exclude it for that matter.
We are not talking about having to decide what is on/off topic, we are talking about having melties at a single mention of a game

>the golden age of settings: Forgotten Realms, Planescape, Dark Sun, Ravenloft, Spelljammer, Birthright
>every single one of the legendary SSI Gold Box pc games that defined computer rpgs for a decade
you know what, i don't even want to ask

>>96795175
Holy shit, he does sound exactly like fishfag.
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/93902169/#93922594
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/94619506/#94620458
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/94619506/#94697578
And people recognise him instantly as well because of a unique posting style, and have started to call him NLfag. And it seems he throws tantrums over Dying Earth as well, and they call him DEfag for that.

Are fishfag, 2etard, nightlandsfag, dyingearthfag all the same person with a psychiatric / developmental disorder?

How deep does the rabbit hole go?

>>96795344
>you just happen to refer to 2e all of the sudden
NTA. (You) brought it up first here: >>96795344

>We are not talking about having to decide what is on/off topic, we are talking about having melties at a single mention of a game
Exactly. Fishfag's obsession is not comparable to Anons getting angry that off-topic shit is obsessively brought up as flamebait in a thread that explicitly excludes it.

>>96795418
>96795344 (You) #
>you just happen to refer to 2e all of the sudden
>NTA. (You) brought it up first here: 96795344 (You) #
Can't click straight because you're having a melty? Try again

>>96795418
Fuck me, he even claims that a small clique of Night Land shills are pushing it out of sheer evil, that he himself is lots of people and anyone who recognizes that he's a lone faggot is just inventing a "boogeyman"! God damn, it really is the same guy.

>nightland
Bought this one a while ago on a whim. It was only ok. Lots of initially interesting ideas but no real functional way to go through the point crawl other than straight up
>the gm pulls you out of your regular dimension and sends you on a quest
and the way out is very poorly defined in a typical
>its art man make it up that's improvisation man
sort of way that is a bit annoying when its actually how anyone leaves the point crawl.
Ran it anyway, it basically works but needed a lot of input and rebuilding. No real dungeons or even lairs to use as is.
Didn't really get across the bleak end of the end of time sort of vibes, had a lot of whimsical stuff thrown in. Still had a lot of neat monsters.

>>96782743
>It already loses a lot when you don't show the art, and you can't just show them the dungeon layout.
I was considering just using the dungeon map and little cut out standies that came with it to do more of a board game style visual. I don't think the dungeon exploration is very strongly based on the players needing to map it compared to being able to show them the art.

>>96795555
>he even claims that a small clique of Night Land shills are pushing it out of sheer evil, that he himself is lots of people and anyone who recognizes that he's a lone faggot is just inventing a "boogeyman"
HOLY
FUCKING
SHIT

>>96795418
>>96795555
>>96795763
Please, for the love of God seek mental health help before you jump some poor sob bystander with a knife yelling
>HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT FISHFAG? HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT?

>>96796695
>Fishfag used Damage Control!
>...it's not very effective...

>>96796695
Just ignore him. He'll tire himself out eventually, especially with the amount of samefagging he has to do.

>>96796789
It's pretty funny now that he's been found out because he has race back and forth between threads not just denying it but samefagging misdirections on top of it. Poor little lunatic is going to wear out his keyboard.

>>96793422
>>96794134
>>96795175
>>96795418

Props to these guys for the unmasking.

Remember, just ignore him and let him samefag all he wants.

>>96796884
stfu ackshill
We know it's all you

>>96795720
I didn't like it.
It's tone-deaf.
It understood the main problem with Night Land (it's dreary), but tried to solve it with cutesy stuff.
It's like having a plate of gray meatloaf and putting sprinkles on it.

>>96795740
I've never tried just giving players the full view of the dungeon and letting them go with it, it sounds like ruining the game but vidja does it all the time and people love it so maybe it works. I'd be curious to see how that goes.

>>96795720
Is that cover by the guy they keep hiring at Melsonian?

>make a throwaway remark that Fishfag resembles the Night Land fag
>return the next day to find that it's bled over into /osrg/ and anons have basically proven it to be true, to the point the faggot himself is samefagging frenetically to try to muddle the evidence away because it's all he can do
LMAO, incredible return on investment, well done, anons. Cigars all round.

>>96798150
Watching him desperately screaming boring into the void is, as always, very amusing. Doubly so now that we know his standard of boring extends.
>No, your greentext doesn't reach my exacting standards as a literary Sommelier! Putting you in the same category of illiterate, hunchbacked potato farmers as...William Hodgson.
Is there a phrase that's the opposite of damning with faint praise?
Lauding with excessive bile?

>>96798283
I guess it would have to be "lauding with weak bile". "This is only barely better than Shakespeare's MIDDLING efforts! Contemptible, to be frank."

>>96798150
You guys call literally everyone fishfag. I've been called fishfag multiple times, despite not being fishfag. Go back to /osrg/ if you're just going to gossip about your imaginary boogeyman, holy shit.

>>96798477
>I've been called fishfag multiple times, despite not being fishfag
So, be honest, what inane and retarded bullshit were you engaging in when people called you that?

Ignore the boogeyfag.

>>96798150
Its pretty funny to watch.
>>96798764
>the oft touted boggyfag

>>96798764
stop ignoring me, it's a really good anime!

Would you guys play an OSR game that was centered around floating islands of various sizes, and playing as crew of an airship, trading goods, etc., with rules for randomly generating an archipelago of flying islands, random events (trying to roll weather changes, monster encounters, and ship maintenance issues into a single table), alchemy, ship upgrades, and other stuff into the game? It'd be based around B/X but with a lot of irrelevant stuff stripped out. Gold-for-XP too.
The classes I have so far are:
>fighter
>scoundrel
>swashbuckler
>alchemist
>artificer
>mage
>spellsword
The ability scores are the classic six, rolled in order, but then you can switch two.
I've been focusing more on rules for alchemy and the economy and such.

>>96799177
>Would you guys play an OSR game that was centered around floating islands of various sizes, and playing as crew of an airship, trading goods, etc., with rules for randomly generating an archipelago of flying islands, random events (trying to roll weather changes, monster encounters, and ship maintenance issues into a single table), alchemy, ship upgrades, and other stuff into the game
so an osr swashbucklers of the 7 skies
yeah sure, i would give that a try. though if i was that committed i would take the aforementioned game, strip it of it's abysmal system and use something better to run it instead

I also honestly believe that if you want an exploration game, then exp for traversing dangerous skyland should be a big part of the xp scheme.
Never forget that the source of experience is the way of reinforcing the gameplay loop.
So gold for experience is good for dungeoncrawling games, while experience for hexes travelled, obstacles overcome and threats evaded or defeated is a must for an exploration game.
You can obviously mix and match.

>>96799177
this is the nsr thread
Cloud Empress has floating cities and people seem to like them, there were even thrid party expansions about them.

>>96799177
Why not just use something like The Wildsea?

I think your concept sounds cool enough, but feeling like some beta-tester in a random dude's homebrew system always feels like ass. This is obviously a very subjective opinion, but I hate it. Houserules are fine, but entire homebrew systems can fuck off, especially when good systems already exist for what a GM is trying to do (I don't know if The Wildsea is good, I'm talking generally).

>>96798477
>You guys
it's just the same retarded anon (maybe two brigading) who is samefagging like there is no tomorrow
do you really think its a coincidence all the agreeable/positive replies to his posts are always clustered in time with a very narrow distribution in otherwise infamously slow threads on niche topics?

as time passes he just moves on to astroturf "positive feedback" on some other dumb post of his and there are never natural replies so that leads to tight clusters of replies

another interesting thing about that poster is that he uses pics from his collection of reaction pics
so you can find his old posts searching the pics and that he was seemingly absent on 4ch for a year or a couple somewhere around early 2020s
for example it's easy to find identical images to >>96798150
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/66162106/#q66173289
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/80380115/#q80442300
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/54845484/#q54853939
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/77593165/#q77627124
the writing style and the overall "persona" fits these posts perfectly

>>96799947
>the writing style and the overall "persona" fits these posts perfectly
one of the posts is in a reply chain about ... you guessed it, AD&D 2 mutherfucking e

>>96799177
>Would you guys play an OSR game that was centered around floating islands of various sizes, and playing as crew of an airship, trading goods, etc., with rules for randomly generating an archipelago of flying islands, random events (trying to roll weather changes, monster encounters, and ship maintenance issues into a single table), alchemy, ship upgrades, and other stuff into the game? It'd be based around B/X
Absolu—
>but with a lot of irrelevant stuff stripped out. Gold-for-XP too.
—no.

>>96799947
>it's just the same retarded anon (maybe two brigading) who is samefagging like there is no tomorrow
>do you really think its a coincidence all the agreeable/positive replies to his posts are always clustered in time with a very narrow distribution in otherwise infamously slow threads on niche topics?
It really has the rhythm of organized brigading from 2-3 guys.

>>96799947
>>96800096
>it's just the same retarded anon (maybe two brigading) who is samefagging like there is no tomorrow
>It really has the rhythm of organized brigading from 2-3 guys.
>t. Just had his own troll OP insta-archived for being a one-man puppet show

>>96800205
The only posts that actually got deleted in that thread were your posts calling it a troll thread.
Seems like a mod made a mistake leaving your thread, but I'm guessing that's because you mass spammed reports in order to trick some mod who was unaware of what's been going on in this board and just saw your screeching.

But, we did get a showcase of what kind of autism the regular posters are up against. For a thread that averages 3 posts an hour to get 40 posts of raw autism is where it's really no surprise that people decided it was a lost cause and tried to leave it as containment general. Too bad you won't stay in there though.

>>96800257
>n-no, it's you who are the samefags!
Cope and sneed, my friend. Cope and sneed.

>>96800257
>He said without a shred of irony or self-awareness in the "Fishnigger Quarantine & Containment: Stay where you belong fuckhead" edition of /nsrg/
Here's a little secret, promise to keep it to yourself.
It's not him that people are trying to gatekeep out of threads, is it buddy?

>>96800096
yeah we there are multiple posts pairs within a minute (see two posts above), and while using multiple devices isn't out of the question, I'm inclined toward the brigading theory

hey I guess old habits die hard [r/osr brigading much?]

>>96800273
The obvious troll edition you made?
It looks like there really needs no more evidence that this board is kind of fucked by the bad decisions the mods are making. Though, even back when the mods did try to stop you, you just ban evaded, so I guess this board was fucked either way.

>>96800356
>it takes 12 seconds to write that second post
Listen, right now you have two options:
1) Keep malding helplessly, or
2) Take the L and post in this thread about the games which are on-topic for this thread. I'm not seeing a lot of that in here right now.

>>96800356
>hey I guess old habits die hard [r/osr brigading much?]
The kind of person who thinks they can get away with that sort of thing and not make it obvious what they're doing is a very special kind of delusional asshole.

They think everyone else in the world is an idiot.

>>96799177
Yes, I'd be very interested, particularly given how you'll keep XP for gold. How's your progress going?

>It'd be based around B/X but with a lot of irrelevant stuff stripped out.
What's even irrelevant about it? B/X is very barebones already. Please don't break backward compatibility.

>>96800406
No, wait. Reading again.

>>96799177
>It'd be based around B/X but with a lot of irrelevant stuff stripped out. Gold-for-XP too.
Do you mean you're stripping out XP for gold or keeping it? If there's no XP for gold I'm not interested.

Quick question – are all of you saging every post? Or did this thread get put on autosage?

>>96800257
>The thread was nuked but the posts were not deleted.

>>96800371
>it takes 12 seconds to write that second post
let me just screen cap that real quick
.. ok now that we have it, let me explain, you fucking raiding tourist
4ch has a 1min timer, you imbecile, you just outed your activity as a confirmed brigading event, if it wasn't already obvious to somebody

>>96798506
>So, be honest, what inane and retarded bullshit were you engaging in when people called you that?
Saying that ACKS is a bad game. That's all it ever takes.

>>96800432
The two comments above yours are mine and I did not sage. I never do.

>>96800432
Great, they got the thread autosaged. Of course this brand of fuckheads have to ruin every space they enter, then act SHOCKED, SHOCKED I tell you, when people dislike them.

>>96800434
There's more than one janny/mod. It looks like one was deleting the troll whining posts (the right move), but another just locked the thread (the wrong move).

>>96800436
What are you even talking about? NAYRT but I can't decipher your banter, old man.

>>96800479
Yeah, maybe the OP is "trolling," but it's only trolling one specific person. Somebody who, if "many anons" in this thread are to be believed, doesn't even exist, so it's trolling nobody.
Who should even care? OP's always a faggot, ignore him and carry on.

>>96800421
Yeah I don't know whether he means he's keeping it or dropping it either, now that you point it out. I can get behind replacing xp-for-gold if it's done with care and forethought to how it incentivizes players, but just removing the thing that drives players to get out there and adventure is a bad idea. And most of the common replacements are terrible, and misalign the player goals with the PC goals, which creates weird behavior incentives.

>>96800479
>he is now multiplying the jannies in his mind as well as himself
ʒeʒ

>>96800498
You're trying to troll someone in your own brain who doesn't exist outside of it. That's still trolling though, especially when by this point you've antagonized more than a hundred people that you've tried to consolidate into one.
When you started to get lonely around the time people just left the /osrg/ alone as a containment thread, you were spotted all around the board, attacking dozens of people basically indiscriminately the moment they expressed that they didn't like ACKS.
Do you want me to post threads as proof?

>>96800558
Not just ACKS.

>>96800558
Why on earth would you be "antagonized" by an attack on somebody who doesn't exist and isn't you?

>>96800603
Don't ask me. Ask the dozen of people that you attacked in this thread, who responded by completely tearing ACKS apart.
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96569835/#96569835

>>96800603
Sniping a thread OP just to include it in your autistic personal board drama is kind of offensive.

To everyone on this board.

>>96800710
>everyone on the board is offended by /osrg/ agreeing by consensus on a new version of the OP
How do you make this out exactly?

>>96800894
I was talking about this OP actually.
But you lying about "consensus" or even "approval". when we just witnessed a samefag brigade that demonstrated how no one should trust you, is really looking down on the intelligence of this board.
You're casually calling us all idiots.

>>96800894
/osrg/ bro here. That's not what they're talking about, they're talking about the line on top of THIS thread.

FWIW I concur it was inappropriate to do it, and said as much in this comment on /osrg/ at the time: >>96768396

I wish for peace between /osrg/ and /nsrg/ and testicular cancer for fishfag = 2etard, but that's not a reason to shit /nsrg/ up.

>>96800648
>dodge the question and deflect to a bunch of "other people" in a different thread
I asked why YOU would be mad about an OP that is calling out a person who you say doesn't exist and isn't you. I can think of a reason, but you won't like it.

>>96801032
You really are a retarded if you think anyone has a reason to trust anything you say.

>>96801032
Oh, that actually makes sense. In that case I kind of agree with you but, actually, I don't much mind an anti-Fishfag OP since I, too, hope his balls are eaten off by a flesh-devouring disease, and I think a concord can be established between our two threads on the basis of this mutual sentiment.

>>96799340
>so an osr swashbucklers of the 7 skies
kinda yeah
>I also honestly believe that if you want an exploration game, then exp for traversing dangerous skyland should be a big part of the xp scheme.
I might add that. Maybe like 10 XP per day of air travel.

>>96799389
>this is the nsr thread
Should I use different stats?

>>96799781
>Houserules are fine, but entire homebrew systems can fuck off, especially when good systems already exist for what a GM is trying to do (I don't know if The Wildsea is good, I'm talking generally).
True.
What is Wildsea?

>>96800980
>But you lying about "consensus" or even "approval". when we just witnessed a samefag brigade that demonstrated how no one should trust you, is really looking down on the intelligence of this board.

The rhythm is kind of amazing.

>50 post in the first hour
>0 posts in the next
>people start commenting here how obvious that is
>immediate rush of posts

>>96801123
That first hour was raw panic.

>>96801102
>I don't much mind an anti-Fishfag OP
It's one thing if an /osrg/ bro puts an anti-fishfag comment in an /osrg/ thread although we could debate on whether feeding 2etard is a good idea, it's another matter entirely if an /osrg/ bro does it on /nsrg/ just to shit this place up.

>>96801097
>You really are a retarded if you think anyone has a reason to trust anything you say.
You don't believe me? I swear, I do want fishfag to get testicular cancer

>>96801032
Hey, ACKShill.
Stay in the /osrg/. You've proven that your autism is off the charts, so go ahead and be the horrilbly boring shit that you are there and leave threads like this alone.

>>96800603
Weird right?

>>96800421
>>96800406
I would keep gold-for-XP, yeah. Maybe add in some other way to get it like travel or exploration or monsters, but mostly gold for XP.
It's meant to be like Traveller, with money-based advancement. So gold for XP fits.

>>96800432
This is unusual. Why would that happen? Its like a way to shuffle the evidence away when there are zombie threads that stay up for over a month here.

>>96801191
>ACKShill
I'm not a fan of ACKS and I certainly don't shill it, I don't play it, and I've never given Macris any money, although I've pirated a couple of his books. The fact that you bring it up for no reason at all is a sign of an unhealthy obsession on your part.

>>96801191
Generals don't work like containment threads.

After he killed the /osrg/, he started spamming in other threads, including getting BTFO this general several times.

>>96801201
>I would keep gold-for-XP, yeah. Maybe add in some other way to get it like travel or exploration or monsters, but mostly gold for XP.
>It's meant to be like Traveller, with money-based advancement. So gold for XP fits
Amazeballs, then. Will there be rules to fish on floating island rivers and sell the catch for profit on floating islands that don't have rivers on them?

>>96801123
I wonder how long their autism endurance can hold out.

We are talking about at least one guy who wrote 200 pages just to shill a system, and we've seen them go on several hundred-post tantrums constantly. But, they're stuck having to talk to themselves at this point. Last time they had to do that, that general slowed to less than fifty posts a day.

>>96801269
It dropped to less than thirty.
The current play they're putting on is pretty funny though.
It's like wrestler dialogue.

>>96801201
Okay now I'm also onboard your airship.

>>96801205
>Why would that happen?
Most likely the jannies have decided that this is a troll thread. The optimistic take is that that's based on the abrasive OP and they're speeding up the time until we can legitimately replace it, noticing that there is nonetheless sincere discussion taking place and so they don't just want to nuke it from orbit.

The pessimistic read is that they looked at all the fishfagging ITT, think /nsrg/ is a troll general as a concept and have decided to sink us lifeboats and all.

Impossible to know until this thread hits page 10 and it's time to make a new OP. Only then will we see what happens.

>>96801084
NTA, but because the person who constantly posts about fishfag also constantly shits up the thread and gets really aggressive with calling everyone fishfag, and he got this thread autosaged with his faggot OP.

>>96801343
>The pessimistic read is that they looked at all the fishfagging ITT, think /nsrg/ is a troll general as a concept and have decided to sink us lifeboats and all.

This general/board is basically doomed, because the ACKShills won't leave it alone, and they couldn't be banned back when the mods tried. There's probably no force on earth that can counter their autism and fishfagging nonsense, at least not on 4chan.

>>96801381
>he got this thread autosaged with his faggot OP
You don't know that. It could also be someone else, with some different behavior.

>>96801343
But they could just delete the thread instead. idgi.
>>96801381
>faggot OP
Its been up since Thursday, there's been plenty of time for that to have already been an issue.

>>96801397
>>96801398
If it was not him, then it was his buddies doing the same fucking thing of trying to turn every /nsrg/ into a dramafarm about their imaginary opponent, so I don't really care about the particulars.

>>96801343
I'm leaning optimistic on that front. I think it's still unclear what /nsrg/ is at this point, but it should be given a chance.

>>96801393
>the entire board is doomed because I can't single-handedly enforce a Reddit-style topic ban
Getting a liiiiiittle bit histrionic there, aren't we? You should calm down with a good novel. Consider William Hope Hodgson's The Night Land, that's an established classic. Everyone enjoys that.

>>96801393
>blame the boogyman for what I'm doing
oh fishfag you're so predictable.

>>96801398
>But they could just delete the thread instead. idgi.
Straight up deleting the thread is pretty aggressive, Anon. I don't pretend to live in the staff's heads, but blasting a thread without a trace leaves the posters in it completely lost for context, so I'd imagine they save that for when the whole thread is just one big irredeemable shitpost. In the case of an incipient general like this the resident posters at least have time to discuss amongst themselves and try to justify their thing during the drop. Or just pack their shit neatly before they get the boot, that's what remains to be seen as noted.

>>96801393
The board is not doomed. Last time ACKShill tried shilling in other threads, he got blasted apart. Some of the funniest meltdowns you will ever see are in the archive if you search "fishfag".
This general is at a disadvantage, because it's a smaller population than the board as a whole, but even then in most of the past iterarions so far we've been pretty good about ignoring ACKShill before the thread hit autosage. This thread is an exception because the ACKShill made it extremely early, and then bumped it for 3 days while the real general hadn't fallen off yet. The mods autosaging it was probably a favor to us all.
I think we really need to just try and make sure everyone just ignores the ACKShill im the next real thread, no matter how hard he samefags or baits.

>>96801428
>blasting a thread without a trace leaves the posters in it completely lost for context
No, that makes it very clear.
>don't do this
What we have now is ambiguous and drawn out.

You are almost blowing you cover by the way.

>>96801443
This is some insane revisionism.
nusrg and todd fell off the board well before autosage frequently.
>made asckshill mad
oh nvm its fishfag doing the reversal bit.

>>96801475
I'm not sure what cover you think I have but if you're suggesting I'm the responsible janny you're wrong, kek. I'm legitimately just speculating, if I had j& powers I'd modpost in here to explain myself.

>>96801487
Go easy on him, Anon. That UNO reverse is the only card he's got, you can't blame him for playing it over and over even though this is a game of gin rummy.

>>96801443
They can brigade spam 50 posts an hour if something motivates them.

Even in the last thread because it was the "No acks" edition they immediately launched a raid on it because they felt threatened.

/nsrg/ is too small and too new to deal with the kind of autism the ACKSHills have, especially now that the mods have given up on banning them anymore.

>>96801525
>wink wink nudge nudge sayno more saynomore

>>96801588
No, trust me; if I had staff powers I would've banned Fishfag so hard he died in real life. The fedposters on /x/ assure me they have that button.

I think at this point there could be two entirely separate threads in the same general. They can get so chuffed at each other they just ignore the other posts in a massively passive aggressive display. It even motivates them to actually play their god damn games and only post about that.

>>96801664
The acks fags got their own general and STILL kept shitting up this one because they are evil, demonic subhumans who have values completely inverted from normal people's, which is why they play ACKS.

>>96801550
He didn't kill this general yet though. He's fucking trying, but he hasn't done it yet.
The last thread started slow and had the occasional shitposts mixed in, but it ended strong.
The ACKShill is a self-correcting problem. The more he acts, the more people learn what he is, the more people mess with him, the more he self destructs.
This thread will die, and the next one will just have him be a memory of failure.

>>96801679
I get what you're saying.

But no need to be so dramatic.

>>96801679
>The ACKShill is a self-correcting problem. The more he acts, the more people learn what he is
>saying this in the very thread you got unmasked as the gigantic sperglord you are
lmao, there certainly was an attempt

>>96801796
Go away, faggot. Nobody cares about your stupid faggot shit where you say everybody who hates you - that's everyone, by the way - is fishfag. Go. Away. Stop ruining the thread. Stop it. Just stop. No one is persuaded. No one cares about your crusade. Fishfag, if he is real, just hates ACKS, and so do I. I hate it for its shit mechanics and your constant shilling. I hate it for you tricking me into believing that it had good domain mechanics, when it doesn't have any good mechanics. Stop fucking posting here. You're not running damage control, you are the damage.

>>96801312
Hell yeah man I'll post more about it sometime then.

>>96801796
You really think we're all stupid here.

I can almost excuse you for thinking the people on Reddit were dumb, but even they're nowhere near as dumb as you would need them to have been. If even the people on Reddit figured you out, how did you ever think we wouldn't?

>>96801678
Weird, the 2nd ed troll is brigading /osrg/ about dragon themed 2nd ed modules.

>>96801983
Cool, I don't care, I'm not in /osrg/ because I don't want to play 30 year old games where the AC system is designed to be as slow as possible.

>>96801983
LOL, 2 real posts was all it took to make you panic here.

>>96802002
>I don't care about what I'm doing
We know.

>>96802026
Illiterate and schizophrenic, begone.

>>96802033
nou

>>96802041
Why would I leave for you? If I leave, you will not notice because you think everyone is one person because you are a schizophrenic retard. Why would a 2e poster talk about the stupid pre-3e AC system as being stupid?

>>96801678
>anon posts about how to ignore each other
>fishfag still can't keep from being assbalasted

>>96802045
>he thinks i'm the one who thinks everyone is the same anon
ironic init? What did you call them, boogymen?

>>96802056
See >>96801824

>>96801107
>>this is the nsr thread
>Should I use different stats?
I missed the part about hacking B/X and assumed you were thinking about a B/X setting.
Is the gold for xp your only issue? Vaarn uses artifact for xp, aiming to make players balance who wants to level up and if it's worth losing the eventual useful artifact.

>>96802145
>Vaarn uses artifact for xp, aiming to make players balance who wants to level up and if it's worth losing the eventual useful artifact.
That's an idea I might steal just to see how it goes.

>>96802265
Vaarn is also a really good example of using weird zines to slowly promote a project. The dude was making small zines out of campaign notes and drawings he made, until eventually he had built a following and his random snippets felt like an actual book you could buy and run as is.

>>96802367
I think monetizing games is the worst thing that ever happened to them, but that sounds like probably one of the lesser evil ways of going about it.

>>96802611
I think monetizing is a way to get people to check your stuff. It's weird, but Mothership was a free zie for years and years and it only became internationally known when they had a product on sale. And just like Vaarn, the basic rules are still free, you can pay to get extras with hired artists and nice production values.

>>96802367
Have zines outlived both zunes and vines?

>>96802820
are you 12?
zines have been a thing since the 60's. It's a bigger part of culture than ttrpgs.
this is the scary part: a doujin is a zine, comiket is a zine convention

>>96802820
They may even outlive magazines at this rate. When was the last time you bought one?

>>96803095
I feel the line between a magazine and a high end zine is very thin, we call a lot of things zines that aren't handmade xeroxed printer paper crap.

>>96803150
It's more about distribution and advertising content.

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>>96803354
it's not page 10 yet
why would you make a new thread?

>>96803484
This one's being disco shuffled because it caught someone in moderation/janitorial being a schizo of notable proportion. They tried spamming it into meaninglessness and put it on autosage.

>>96782240
because people ONLY do storyfagging nowadays?
>osr drones
ah, youre a salty theatrefag retard