Thread 96788062

If we're using the most brutal realistic physics possible, shouldn't a fast guy (9-A to High 8-C) neg diff any DND?

>DM: You see the fast guy, what do you do?

>Fighter: I slash him!
>DM: He's so fast. Before you can do anything, his axe's e=mc2 velocity slices your brain stem sideways. Please enter decorticate posturing.

>Rogue: I stab him!
>DM: He's so fast. Before you can do anything, his axe's e=mc2 velocity slices your brain stem sideways. Please enter decorticate posturing.

>Barbarian: I rage!
>DM: He's so fast. Before you can do anything, his axe's e=mc2 velocity slices your brain stem sideways. Please enter decorticate posturing.

>Wizard: I fireball him!
>DM: He's so fast. Before you can do anything, his axe's e=mc2 velocity slices your brain stem sideways. Please enter decorticate posturing.

>Paladin: I smite him!
>DM: He's so fast. Before you can do anything, his axe's e=mc2 velocity slices your brain stem sideways. Please enter decorticate posturing.

>Cleric: I heal!
>DM: He's so fast. Before you can do anything, his axe's e=mc2 velocity slices your brain stem sideways. Please enter decorticate posturing.

>Ranger: I shoot him!
>DM: He's so fast. Before you can do anything, his axe's e=mc2 velocity slices your brain stem sideways. Please enter decorticate posturing.

>Bard: I sing!
>DM: He's so fast. Before you can do anything, his axe's e=mc2 velocity slices your brain stem sideways. Please enter decorticate posturing.

>Druid: I turn into a owlbear!
>DM: He's so fast. Before you can do anything, his axe's e=mc2 velocity slices your brain stem sideways. Please enter decorticate posturing.

>Monk: I punch him!
>DM: He's so fast. Before you can do anything, his axe's e=mc2 velocity slices your brain stem sideways. Please enter decorticate posturing.

>Everyone at once: WTF we just got speed blitzed! You're a bad DM!
>DM: Just giving you the facts.

>>96788062 (OP)
... ok?

Also
>brutal realistic physics
>DnD

>>96788062 (OP)
>the most brutal realistic physics possible
Fast guy goes to move fast, the friction of air rips off his skin in layers, he cant see anything because he's moving faster than his eyes can process light, and he embedds himself into the first solid thing he blindly runs into

This board should just be closed at this point.

Pun-Pun no diffs a fast guy with NSJD and arbitrarily high initiative.

Is this DND or your custom rules-lite system that cuts away all the bloat of 5th edition by removing any troublesome player agency and the dm can just skip directly to narrating their sweaty gay fanfiction?

>>96788062 (OP)
>DND
How does his move speed affect his attacks? He'd get a small bonus for a charge and would have purchased a feat to be able to move before and after attacking. To charge, you can move up to twice your speed in the round that you attack. The fast guy probably has a few feats and class abilities for speed, effectively doubling his movement. He likely has boots of speed too, making his speed 90 ft per round. Let's be generous and give him a move of 120 ft (the speed of a quickling). His charge would allow him to move 240 ft per round (6 seconds) in combat, giving him a speed of about 27 mph. Plus the PCs could just ready an attack to hit him as soon as he comes within range.

>>96788062 (OP)
>9-A to High 8-C
Huh?
>neg diff
What?

>>96788062 (OP)
>brutal realistic physics
Okay, sure. We can-
>dnd
Consider suicide. Please.

>>96788266
Power scaler jargon used in such debates as "can Goku beat Superman?" and "can Shaggy from Scooby-Doo take on a Space Marine?"
>9-A to High 8-C
Power-scaling tiers. 9-A is "small building" level (able to destroy small buildings such as average suburban houses) and 9-C is "medium building" level (able to destroy medium buildings such as factories and supermarkets).
Source: https://psbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tiering_System
>neg diff
Short for "Negative Difficulty", implying that the fight is so easy for one side that it is even easier than zero difficulty.

>>96788404
Not sure if I should thank you for the clear answer or curse you for exposing me to such radioactive autism. Guess we'll call it even.

>>96788404
If the topic is about a speedster, why aren't the speed tiers being addressed? It would be more apt for the thread than the power-scaling tiers.

>>96788062 (OP)
>brutal realistic physics possible
he bursts into flames from air friction

I cast Time Stop and shove an Immovable Rod up his ass.

>>96788404

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Basilisk_(Dungeons_and_Dragons)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Mr._Bambu/D%26D_Calc:_Dodging_Actual_Light

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Dragonstitch/D%26D_4e:_Light_Dodging

Remember that in VSBattles, all D&D characters, even a lowly basilisk, have FTL speed with FTL+ reactions simply because they can "dodge light."

>>96789024
This is matpat-tier "following video game logic when it supports my theory, then suddenly switching to real-world physics" retardation. Righteous Aura never mentions the explosion being light, and Positive Energy is already established as a separate concept in the lore. For Anger of the Noonday Sun and Moonfire, I assume that they last longer than instantly (possibly the entire rest of your turn), and that you don't dodge individual photons, your save determines how early you get into a covered position during the sub-6 second duration of the spell. Also, VSBattles can't be trusted to understand light in fiction, they claimed that bolts/beams of light that can be dodged using player dexterity are light speed. Similarly, they constantly pretend to not understand what a muzzle dodge is.

Example: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Cyberblader9/Light_Speed_Zelda_(BOTW/AOC)

>>96788062 (OP)
You are not sure to win if your speed is superior

>>96788062 (OP)
>>96788404
>>96789024

I'll have you know, I'm currently calling on phone the most autistic, THAT GUY rules lawyer faggot I ever had in my game, because when I was kicking his retarded ass out of my group, I promised to publicly apologize to him in front of all my players and relatives if I ever found a more repulsive human being.
And apparently there's a whole fucking fandom of them.

>>96789522
Literally nobody and none of those pages said anything about Righteous Aura. You're lying.

>>96789762
Did you click the links?

>>96789762
Also, nice job pretending to go blind the moment you read the phrase "muzzle dodge".

>>96789024
You don't need to be faster than something to dodge it unless the distance you have to move in order to dodge is greater or equal to the amount of distance the thing has to travel to hit you. The feat of dodging light would really be the fact you can somehow "see" light before it hits you and then react.

If the topic is about a speedster, why aren't the speed tiers being addressed? It would be more apt for the thread than the power-scaling tiers.

>>96788062 (OP)
He rolled a 0 on his initiative, so I'm currently assraping since he failed his grapple.

>>96788062 (OP)
>shouldn't a fast guy (9-A to High 8-C)
This is fucking nonsense.

>>96788062 (OP)
Before we begin this, I want to just preface something. Powerscaling is retarded. The stupid terminology you faggots have made up is extra retarded. You've turned an argument for children ("Who would win, Goku or Superman?") and tried to make it into something that pantomimes at being a science.

>If we're using the most brutal realistic physics possible, shouldn't a fast guy (9-A to High 8-C) neg diff any DND?
Okay. We apply brutally realistic physics. Your speedster suddenly has to deal with friction. Congrats. You beat your own ass due to forgetting that air creates friction.

No because that's retarded and unfun. the point of the game is to have fun not randomly kill your players(if you had any lmao nogames nosocialskills nolife) to feel smug like a toddler breaking his sister's barbies

>>96788062 (OP)
Tarrasque doesn't care and he embeds himself inside its flesh like a bullet and dies crushed by the regenerating flesh

>>96789724
Good on you for keeping your word, Anon.

>>96788062 (OP)
With the most brutal, realistic physics possible he does exactly one of those things and then breaks every bone in his body. His power is speed, not invulnerability, so newtons third law fucks him royally.

>>96789024
>https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Elephant_(Dungeons_and_Dragons)
>https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Sperm_Whale_(Dungeons_and_Dragons)
notice how the wiki users chose to upscale every single animal in the setting to absurd levels rather than admiting their scaling is flawed

>>96792720
>Elephant
>Lifting Strike: Class M
>Class M means lifting the largest ships
>Elephants can lift a blue whale

The worst part is they cite the 5e Monster Manual. And 5e's encumbrance rules are pretty clear. Your max lift is 30 x your Strength score, doubled for Large creatures, and doubled again for Huge creatures. That means an Elephent with 22 Strength can lift 2640 pounds, or a bit over a metric ton.

No wonder the scaling is flawed if they don't even bother to fact check people. Somebody on the Stone Golem page will say that lifting a large boulder is a show of Class M strength, and then everyone just accepts that and starts scaling everything else off of that faulty premise.

>>96792860
I was there
it basically went like this
>use 3.5e rules for lifting capability
>use values when dragging rather than lifting
>shift to 5e
>5e treats lifitng and dragging no different
>hence, dragging and lifting is the same
this happened before they found out about the stone golem rolling the boulder, although even yet, they do not take size into account for that deed, which means that whoever has a strength score higher than the stone golem's, can automatically lift as much, even if they are smaller

>>96788062 (OP)
It doesn't matter what a guy's movement speed is, it doesn't make him throw any more attack dice

>>96792924
I just read through the boulder explanation and it's more retarded than I thought.

There's even an obvious counter example within the very same dungeon, where a Large creature with 23 Strength is necessary to open a 30-foot tall granite door. That's far smaller than the boulder, and yet RAW the stone golem wouldn't be able to open it because it only has 22 Strength.
So either a 30-foot slab of granite weighs more than the 40-foot ball of granite, or there's something special about the ball of granite that allows the golem to push it.

It just seems like all of this scaling falls apart as soon as you treat outliers as actual outliers rather than using them as proof that everything else in the universe is orders of magnitude stronger.

>>96793076
>It just seems like all of this scaling falls apart as soon as you treat outliers as actual outliers
the boundary between gameplay and outliers is thin and will be played around out of convenience
gameplay suggests a feat is good? let's use it
gameplay suggest a feat is bad? nah, that gameplay, bud
also, people don't read novels (and I don't think they plan to), which means they ignoring explicit displays of what real characters can do

>>96788223
Fast guy is insanely fast he moves 9,999,999 ft per round and his melee damage scales with how far he's moved during his turn

>>96793270
Show me the rule, Steve

OP's a retard, but I'm surprised nobody called him out on using the e=mc2 formula, which has nothing to do with velocity and is completely irrelevant to whatever stupid thing he's trying to do.

>>96793462
He's a powerscaling obsessed redditor. What do you expect? He thinks e=mc^2 means "light speed"

>>96788062 (OP)
>Timestops
>Casts instant death that bypasses all defenses and saving throws

>>96788724
Because powerscalers aren't just autistic. They're also retarded

>>96793230
And that's why I can never take powerscalers seriously. They'll cite physics right up until it contradicts their conclusion, at which point they say "it's not real life", but then ignore the opposite.
You'll have a character get hit by an arrow and then dodge magical lightning, and rather than conclude the fictional lightning is slower because it's not real life, they'll say the arrow is FTL.

>>96788062 (OP)
Which is why speed like that doesn't exist in D&D. In some systems it does.

>>96788404
>can Shaggy from Scooby-Doo take on a Space Marine
He'd dress as a barber and cut the space marine's hair

>>96788062 (OP)
Just like the peasant railgun this falls apart because youre chosing when game mechanics take over. Game mechanics are always on effect. Represent with game mechanics this man's speed & ability. Then I'll tell you how to counter him

>>96793270
Cool, he still triggers an attack of opportunity & i stab him dead before he hits me

>>96788062 (OP)
>wizard
>fireball
>on the guy who auto-wins reflex saves
>with evasion
...
I mean. Ok, I guess... if you can justify the wizard having negative intelligence, because by RAW an int high enough to cast fireball auto-succeeds on the check to know that a fireball won't work.
So if you're going for "realism", the wizard casts literally anything that auto-kills the speedster. Like Sleep or Charm or Hold or something. All of those are possible by the time he can cast fireball. And for the record, Slow is the same spell level as fireball.
Or he could go for Fortitude saves and cast Blind. Good luck with that E=mc^2 bullshit, kiddo, hope you can navigate your environment at relativistic velocities while blind...
What happens to a speedster when he impacts a wall at 99.999999999% of the speed of light?
The same thing that happens to everything else.

>>96794268
He can do what I do, 20 eternal wands of Fel Drain Hail of Stone held by 20 Messenger Homunculi all prepped to cast at anything that might be a threat

>>96793552
He's gonna have a lot of fun when he realizes that the impactor is also affected by the collision. Because if he weren't, then he wouldn't be able to do any damage to anything... Literally. That's literally how the physics works. Ok, you can accelerate to light speed. Are you invincible? No? Ok, well, then I wouldn't do that if I were you.
Hint for powerscaling redditors: at those speeds you would disintegrate within the first attosecond as you are torn apart by the air molecules impacting your body and causing nuclear fusion.

>>96788062 (OP)
Monk or any other unarmed fighter for that matter can literally stop any number of lightspeed shots if they are skilled enough, or even redirect them back at the attacker.

>>96789724
Check to see if he's a DBfag first.

i just looked at the powerscaling wiki and apparently they think Aragorn is strong enough to blow up a mountain and faster than the speed of sound, and that Anduril is literally a DBZ weapon that can destroy up entire universes. how do you reach the point of writing this stuff down without realizing that it's completely retarded?

>>96794596
The short answer is autism, but the longer answer is slightly more complex.

These people have developed arguing over whether goku or superman would win in a fight into a full hobby. Their measuring sticks and methods of investigation are based entirely on rationalizing the differences between various forms of media that have no connective tissue in a form of perverse telephone; but furthermore the goal is always to definitively put one character over another, and so there is substantial incentive to escalate and inflate the power of an individual party over another.

To be semi-topical; we come to the 'what level of wizard is gandalf' problem. The strongly rational will conclude accurately "who the fuck cares?" and move on, but if we entertain the notion of transfering his demonstrated skills, abilities and characteristics to tabletop we find he casts very little magic very sparsely; the most powerful magic he does that is directly correlated to a DnD spell is conjuring/summoning Daylight (which is even ambiguously magic, in another case he does something similar which is literally him just monologing about it being sunrise). Being an in setting Angel with possible racial abilities and adjustments is no small factor either.

The problem then is, for the 'power scaling community' if I am charitable enough to call it that, is that the conclusion from this discussion would be "Since Gandalf is indicated to be somewhere near 6th or 9th level, that means Elminster is up to 5 times as powerful as a level 35 multiclass with 24 levels in Wizard alone".

>>96790694
>Did you click the links?

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Basilisk_(Dungeons_and_Dragons)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Mr._Bambu/D%26D_Calc:_Dodging_Actual_Light
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Dragonstitch/D%26D_4e:_Light_Dodging

ctrl+f "righteous aura" pulls up nothing

>>96794277
Fast guy is using an axe to pinpoint slice brain stems.

Logically, he would suffer basically no impact.

Never would have thought, that a simple bait thread would give me a whole new group of people to laugh at. Thanks OP.

>>96794277
>by the air molecules impacting your body and causing nuclear fusion.
To be precise I don't think a body moving at near light speed through atmosphere would result in nuclear fusion. Destruction-wise the results would very much resemble it though.
Also this thread wasn't a complete waste of bandwidth because your post made me look things up and I learned a new cool word: bremsstrahlung.

>>96794596
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Aragorn

>at most Small City level to Mountain level, likely far higher (Aragorn possesses a greater share of the Númenórean blessings than any named character for the past 2,000 years.[1][26][27] This should put him above lesser Númenóreans/Dúnedain such as Boromir the Steward, who is stated to have inspired fear in the Witch-King and is implied to have survived a duel with the Nazgûl.[1] The Unfinished Tales note that, had Aragorn been present during the attack of the Nine upon Sarn Ford, the Dúnedain might have been able to fend them off, implying his comparability to them. Further manuscripts of the "Hunt for the Ring" state the Witch-King feared Aragorn as a "great power"[28][29]).

>At least Large Mountain level, possibly High Universe level with Andúril (Andúril is the reforged sword of Elendil, Narsil, which was used during the Last Alliance during a duel against Sauron, while the broken weapon would later be used to cut off the finger of the Dark Lord. Even after its reforging, the narration notes that the blade is just 'as deadly as of old', with Sauron still fearing the blade even after thousands of years have passed[6][3])

>Speed: At least Subsonic (Should be superior to the likes of Gimli and Faramir[Statistics Values 2]), likely Supersonic+ to High Hypersonic (Fended off several Nazgûl at once[14])

>Striking Strength: At least Wall level+, possibly Small Building level, at most Small City level to Mountain level, likely far higher. At least Large Mountain level, possibly High Universe level with Anduril

>Durability: At least Wall level+, possibly Small Building level, at most Small City level to Mountain level, likely far higher (Emerged from the War of the Rings practically unscathed. Should be able to withstand the recoil of his own strikes). At least Large Mountain level, possibly High Universe level with Anduril (He can block or deflect attacks with the blade)

Lore-accurate Aragorn...

>>96795359

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Aragorn#Notable_Matchups
Naturally, in a 1v1 between Aragorn and Starscourge Radahn in the latter's own boss arena, the power scalers vote 7-2 in Aragorn's favor.

>>96794767
Logically, he suffers the same fate as this baseball: https://what-if.xkcd.com/1/

>>96795359
This is the dumbest shit I've ever seen. It's like the old stardestroyer.net taking old special effects purely literally and trying to calculate it, but even worse. Most of this is just pure assumption.

>>96795359
>>96796208

I also like the repeated usage of the phrasing "at most X, likely far higher," which completely defeats the point of saying "at most X" to begin with.

>>96794767
Logically he dies before even starting to move. Since by D&D rules he would be from beyond the local multiverse and work on completely different natural laws. As in he would count as a Far Realm inhabitant. Most of which die upon being introduced to D&D multiverse. Some survive in a diminished capacity or degenerate into some aberrations.
Occasionally you have motherfuckers who are skilled, smart or eldritch enough to find workarounds and then you get Mak Thuum Ngatha who uses a divine body as a skinsuit to act within D&D multiverse.

>>96788062 (OP)
>Contingency doesn't exist
>Celerity doesn't exist
>held actions (RAW) don't exist
>Interrupts (RAW) don't exist
>Attacks of Opportunity (RAW) don't exist
>Time Stop doesn't exist
>Precognition doesn't exist
>AOE's bigger than his movement range don't exist
>Battlefields inside with auto locking invulnerable doors don't exist.
>FTL damage like an on death Gamma Ray Burst doesn't exist.
>The goddamn 5e spell "Invulnerability" cast by a divination wizard 5 minutes before they encountered the speed faggot doesn't exist.

You aren't smart or creative, you will never be a writer, you will never be white, you are brown, base, a bottom feeder, an animal, you are a midwit who thinks he is a genius, you are the bane of society, the eternal redditor "um ackshyually"'ing your way through life, don't bother replying you will purposefully misunderstand my post or fixate on one point and ignore criticism that would make a righteous man introspect, you are not capable of that.

>>96788062 (OP)
>Brutal physics and a lightspeed axe
Anon, swinging an axe at that speed would literally unleash a horrifying ball of plasmized air that would obliterate everything within a one-mile radius instantly and the resulting sonic boom would render everyone in an even larger radius dead or deaf, assuming they weren't turned to ash by the flames.

>>96799309
It doesn't have to be literally lightspeed...

>>96801005
Then why posit this shit as a lightspeed attack, retard?

>>96801013
>Then why posit this shit as a lightspeed attack, retard?
clearly, this thread was made with the intent of mocking scalertards who think elephants can lift space shuttles, whales can move faster than blackbird aircrafts, and montaneers can parry nukes

>>96801005
Even if an object is traveling at 1% of the speed of light, it would still vaporize itself from the friction.
Even if you slow it down to where he's only moving at the speed of sound, he's going to break his wrist the first time he hits anything solid with that axe.

OP's premise is just retarded no matter what way you look at it.

>>96793765
Why can't arrows in a world of fantasy physics, often wielded by magical superhuman characters, be faster than real life?

>>96801728
>often
But not always. Sometimes those arrows are shot by noodle-armed kobolds or barely trained commoners, and yet can still manage to hit a Rogue capable of dodging lightning magic anyway.

If we assume that magical lightning is slower than real-life lightning, which is what makes it possible for so many creatures in D&D to avoid it, then we've made a single assumption.

If we assume that lightning isn't slower, then we also have to assume that arrows are faster, that every creature in the world is faster, that the laws of sound and air resistance function differently so that arrows aren't creating sonic booms or burning up from friction, and that every object is more durable to explain why arrows aren't piercing through trees or other cover from their enhanced momentum, then we're making far more assumptions with many rippling effects.
And all of it is built on the faulty premise that a world of fantasy physics can have all of these wild differences, but the speed of lightning is a multiversal constant.

Better yet, explain to me why the scaling must start with the assumption that magical lightning is identical to real-life lightning, rather than starting with the assumption that the Horse statblock is identical to a real-life horse.

>>96793765
Yeah, it's pretty funny to see the exact same work have a character dodge a fireball (calced by freeze-framing to be traveling at a gajillion miles an hour!) and then fail to grab their loved ones hand after running across the room before they fall, at a completely normal speed, and you're supposed to ignore the second part in favor of the first lol

>>96788062 (OP)
Any time a DND uses regular logic for how abilities work to take away player agency is usually lame as hell.

>>96801151
It used far too much hyperspecific powerscalerfag terminology that other anons had to explain to clarify for regular fa/tg/uys to be a joke at the expense of powerscalerfags.

>>96788062 (OP)
Roll Super Speed versus Agility, Toughness, or a Defense Power.

>>96801902
You do know that most fighting includes dodging the attacker not the attack? It's incredibly rare to actually dodge/parry attacks as they come, since even simple melee strikes are in most cases too fast to react to them. Most of fights above amateur level and schoolyard scraps are literally precog duels. Your typical boxer strike is twice-thrice faster than the humans can react, except a few genetic freaks.

>>96802995
If you want go with that argument, then the fact that characters are dodging light or lightning magic doesn't matter at all, because what they're actually doing is reacting to the caster chanting and waving his staff around and trying to get out of the way before the spell actually goes off.

Which then also supports exactly what I've been saying, which is that D&D characters aren't actually fast enough to split-second dodge something moving at the speed of real lightning, and that anyone trying to argue that a successful reflex save against a lightning bolt spell means that Elephants have lightspeed dodging capability is relying on a ridiculous pile of faulty assumptions.

>>96801151
Where does it say mountaineers can parry nukes?

>>96803584
referring to this >>96795359 mountaineer (slur for rangers)

>>96803130
Sunburst is a literal light spell that can be dodged.

>>96793076
>So either a 30-foot slab of granite weighs more than the 40-foot ball of granite, or there's something special about the ball of granite that allows the golem to push it.
Being round?

>>96810965
>Sunburst is a literal light spell that can be dodged.
>>96803130
>they're actually doing is reacting to the caster chanting and waving his staff around and trying to get out of the way before the spell actually goes off.

>>96811015
>Being round?
The hallway the boulder trap is in is listed as having a slope, so being round is actually a detriment.

yes, being so fast that others can't even react to what you're doing is powerful. that's why super speed in stories and games is often used for just moving fast or nerfed hard some other way, because otherwise the action economy advantage would be so massive that there would be little the other side could do against it.
>inb4 "just nuke the speedster before he knows he's in danger"
that's just flipping the roles, not negating the power of speed

>>96812194
Speed blitzing is so OP that in all respectable power scaling communities fights have to be speed equalized.

>>96812194
If you keep speed grounded it's not much of an issue. Outside the supers genre somebody might run particularly fast or employ a fighting style that allows him to try an extra attack, but that's easily balanced without breaking the games logic.
Matching up capeshit against sword and sorcery characters is an exercise in futility.
>>96815532
We've already established those communities as a bunch of idiots.

>>96788062 (OP)
what a piece of shit nothingburger thread

>>96793765
>>96801728
Touhou had a nigh-omniscient genius both spell out and demonstrate that due to all supernatural phenomena operating on vibe physics, an attack in that setting can both have all the properties of light AND be moving so slowly that it can be dodged by a child canonically weaker than RL humans. Powerscalers took this as everyone in the setting being FTL.*

Because in another scene a wizard (who is explicitly both a braggart and knows of science only through memes) shoots a beam while yelling "Dodge this! Nothing is faster than light!"... and then has a whole conversation with their target before the beam hits. Context is poison to these people.

* Everyone is FTL *except* for the fastest character in the setting, since her speed is explicitly compared to sound. Powerscalers just declared that all the characters praising her "godlike speed" are wrong and could actually speedblitz her.

>>96821333
>Powerscalers took this as everyone in the setting being FTL.*
This is actually true though.

>>96821546
Touhou's speed of sound is faster than the speed of light... scary!

The gas station thief evaded the pursuers' flashlights.

The gas station thief must be FTL+.

>>96788404
Why do we still judge people by what they can destroy rather than what they can build bruhs...

>>96788062 (OP)
>fast guy (9-A to High 8-C) neg diff
Aww what's the matter little DBspic? Mad that the FFXIV protag cheeses the entire Marvel/DC roster so you gotta try and take it out on ttrpg? Newsflash retard, the custom protags here can be even more jacked than the usual vidya custom protag. Go back >>>/co/

>>96821667
>Everyone in Touhou is FTL including the regular humans
Touhou powerscalers are legit unaware that the series takes place on present-day Earth (albeit in a valley that's been hidden by a magical barrier since 1885), and that the characters have canonically talked about COVID and Donald Trump.

>>96823502
[citation needed]

>>96822123
because everything always has been and always will be about power, and the simplest show of power is destruction (or blocking)

>>96788062 (OP)
Chronomancer killed him before he ever got fast, sorry.

Does powerscaling not work in DND?

>>96801902
Sorry, but this is style over substance. An attack can be intended as strong without needing to cause a sonic boom nuclear explosion in every use. Fluff exists because applying scaled-up verisimilitude so literally would be impossible to play.

>>96828069
powerscaling doesn't work in anything, at least not in the autistic faux-scientific way that shonen fans treat it

>>96823676

Excellent post (even if it's a rerun).

>>96828081
That sounds more like it lacks substance and style. It's literally just attack+1 then.

>>96793462
I think OP is talking the piss in a somewhat religios pasing or is a redditor.

>>96823580
The whole plot of "Alternative Facts in Eastern Utopia" is Aya getting radicalised by clickbait from the outside world and becoming a one-woman MGGA crusader who only stops when someone convinces her that the idea of importing /pol/ to Gensokyo is a Lunarian psyop.
It's hardly the first time ZUN has done social commentary, but it was bizarrely unsubtle compared to how he usually does things.

>>96823502
Personally I laughed when Sumireko complained that she tried to post her photos of Gensokyo to an imageboard but the jannies mysteriously woke up instantly to delete them

>>96828081
>An attack can be intended as strong without needing to cause a sonic boom nuclear explosion in every use
Sure, but you can't claim that it's also intended to be faster than the speed of sound based on some vague calculation or assumption.
>this is style over substance
And nothing about the style changes if you assume these magical spells are cool looking, but slow enough that a real-life horse would be capable of avoiding them.

>because applying scaled-up verisimilitude so literally would be impossible to play.
If things moving at that scale doesn't align with how things actually play out, then maybe that's a big clue that things aren't actually moving at that scale.

>>96828069
not after 5e brain rot got them
they have the illusion that pc are superheroes a la mcu because of rules as written/intended discrepancies/vaguenes

>>96831185
>Sure, but you can't claim that it's also intended to be faster than the speed of sound based on some vague calculation or assumption.
If a meteor cast is stated to travel 400 miles in 5 seconds, you would cry that it's an "assumption" to calculate as mach 375, even though that is a logical inference from the text itself
>And nothing about the style changes if you assume these magical spells are cool looking, but slow enough that a real-life horse would be capable of avoiding them.
Everything about the style changes, if you assert that all magic is akshully lame and weak and useless and would get soloed by one guy with a Glock.
>If things moving at that scale doesn't align with how things actually play out, then maybe that's a big clue that things aren't actually moving at that scale.
Nope. Dragon ball characters will rend the universe in one scene, but not even destroy a planet in the next unless they intend. Comic book "peak humans" can kick through steel doors without fretting about the bio-chemical needs to withstand Newton's third law. Disparaging the narrative's choice of conveying powerful subjects is bigger fan fiction than "vague calculations".

>>96788062 (OP)
Vsbattles logic is utter shit.

>>96833186
Again, explain why you're using assuming a magical spell matches real-life physics as the starting point, rather than assuming a horse matches a real-life horse.

>if you assert that all magic is akshully lame and weak and useless
In-universe, if the spell is already slow enough for normal people and animals to dodge it, nothing changes if it's slow compared to if the people and animals are fast. According to you, the magic is already lame and gay because a commoner with a bow can already shoot a wizard in the face.
>If a meteor cast is stated to travel 400 miles in 5 seconds
Is it a statement that the meteor cast travels that far, or is that the range of the spell and the casting time? Because there is a difference. If you're referring to a spell from D&D, feel free to specify which meteor spell it is.
But it's retarded to try to calculate using real-life physics and then ignore where other laws of physics disagree.

>Disparaging the narrative's choice of conveying powerful subjects
That's what every powerscaler does when they try to highball a character to levels the author never intended based on half-assed calculations.
How is it not disparaging the author's choice when instead of listening to them when the rules say an Elephant can lift a few tons, you instead declare that the author is wrong and that an elephant can actually lift a battleship?

>>96788062 (OP)
There's a system for cape games that does that, and it sucks ass because it makes only one ability matter.

>>96833497
Isn't DND basically unrealistic anyway?

>>96824896
You say this, yet powerscalertards basically always count creation as equal in power to destruction. I.e. "if it can create a universe, it can destroy one", but with somehow even more retarded logic like "creating a universe requires 10^bajillion terrajoules of energy so that is this character's striking force"

>>96834386
It is in some ways it is. In other ways, it clearly at least tries to be realistic.
If one want to argues that the real-life laws of physics apply, then one has to apply all of the laws of physics at all times.
If one wants to argue that it's unrealistic, then real-life laws of physics can't be used as a justification for anything.

It's silly to say that real-life factors of air resistance and friction don't matter because the setting is unrealistic, but then assume that this unrealistic setting must have an identical speed of light to real life.

Again, this is why I've asked why they're not using a horse as the basis for their comparison instead of lightning. If they're so interested in applying real-life logic to a fantasy game, then there are multiple creatures in the game with real-life analogues that they could use. That would give them far more data points for their scaling.

>>96788062 (OP)
I missed you, HeroChip.

>>96835405
Who is that?

>>96793580
Kill yourself puckee.

>>96834483
that sounds more like they're trying to make creation seem cool and powerful by viewing it in terms of destruction, because that's the simplest way to demonstrate power
that's why there's always so much collateral damage in cape/shonen fights

>>96803130
>>96810965
As I stated earlier, powerscalers pretend to be unable to read when someone brings up dodging the hand holding the device that shoots a lazer rather than the beam itself

>>96836204
Pretend?

>>96821333
>supernatural phenomena operating on vibe physics
Ironically I got the impression that the reason Touhou's Lunarians are so bullshit and "impossible to defeat" is that they understand both real and fantastic physics so well (and have used "quantum uncertainty" to dovetail them) that they can switch between rulesets selectively. I.e. their tech basically operates on powerscaler/Commoner Railgun logic.

>>96788062 (OP)
>>Barbarian: I rage!
>>DM: He's so fast
YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW QUICKLY I CAN GET MAD AT FAGGOTS YOU FAGGOT