Thread 96794544

Cabin in the Woods Edition

>Most recent bracket system update
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>Outline article introducing the bracket system
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta

>Current banlist
https://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned

>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committee
https://mtgcommander.net

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet
https://www.edhrec.com

>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper format
https://pdhhomebase.com/
https://www.pdhrec.com/

>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices
https://www.archidekt.com
https://www.moxfield.com
https://www.tappedout.net

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity
https://managathering.com

>Card search
https://scryfall.com

>Make custom cards
https://magicseteditor.boards.net
https://mtg.design
https://mtgcardsmith.com

>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
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>How to proxy using any printer
https://mtgprint.cardtrader.com

>Precons
https://magicprecons.com

TQ: What plane that hasn't gotten a set would you like to see get one?

Oh yeah, Previous Thread: >>96787231

>>96794544 (OP)
>TQ: What plane that hasn't gotten a set would you like to see get one?
Do we know about any official planes without any sets?

>>96794544 (OP)
Kek they really did make this? Tarantino is gonna sue a nigga

>>96794562
Oops Whedon, not Tarantino

>>96794562
>>96794567
Anon..

>>96794570
Zamn, that's kino

Melty-kun is NOT going to like this thread

Hypothetical scenario for you guys. Your opponent plays Buried Alive and sends Abdel Adrian to the graveyard. He taps 2 mana, preparing to Animate Dead, with a smirk. You dont have it. Its just a reaction test. What do you do?

>>96794621
I always have it.

>>96794621
i will simply counterspell

>>96794621
Because I have Vedalken Orrery out, I flash in Farewell

>>96794556
Its a short list. We have some cards that reference planes that never got even partial sets and some characters are said to be from places we haven't seen. Especially Planechase included a bunch that never got more than that.

>>96794621
This is just a low effort rip off of a much more sovlfvll post

>>96794544 (OP)
>>96794684
>TQ: What plane that hasn't gotten a set would you like to see get one?
There is only 1 answer, and it is Vesuva

>>96794736
Its just a reaction test bro

>>96794743
vesuva is an island in dominaria

>>96794567
I don't think Whedon can sue over a movie from the early 80's

>>96794570
>Ash is non-legendary
still seething

>>96794544 (OP)
TQ: That plane where everything is mini

Will playing a theft deck get me hated off the table

>>96794801
Depends on your pod and how you play.The one thing I can guarantee is that if you play theft, at least one person at the table is going to know exactly how powerful what you have is, because you ripped it from his grubby hands.

You will need to pace yourself if your deck isn't tuned to fuck and back and if it is, you're going to have to be upfront with it or else people will be ultra pissed. The "oh I'm only playing your stuff, so it's only as powerful as your deck" argument is only cute the first time.

>>96794621
Crop Rotation -> if resolves, search for Bojuka Bog -> wait for response to triggered ability mirroring his smirk.

>>96794888
Um SIR, is that a game changer?? This is a bracket 2 table sir. Judge. JUDGE!! AIIIEEEEE

>nearby lgs starting to list turtles precon pre-orders
>90€
It's not even out until March 2026. What the fuck is going on with the market.

>>96794930
Are there even card lists yet?

>>96794979
Only the face commanders have been unveiled so far. No word on 99 deck.

>>96794986
Maaaan I kinda wish Donatello werent perfect for muh Who deck.

>>96794986
>3 drop
>blue
>if i make tokens i get those tokens and another artifact token
I refuse to use it, but boy do I wish I could.

>>96794986
>5c DO THING DRAW CARD slop
is WotC really this devoid of creativity?

Lore-win ismt until current year +1

>>96795078
Nowadays every UB seems to have some 5c legendary that provides generic value for people who want to play a generic soup of all the characters from that set.

>>96794930
>90 for the Turtles
The only time I ever saw a precon get that high was the Eldrazi ones, and they get a pass because of how cool they are.

>>96794930
WOTC website has MSRP at $69.99 so your store might just be throwing out a placeholder price?

>>96795078
>drawing cards is slop
Just stop talking if you're so devoid of valuable opinions.

>>96795047
very strange since you have like 50 FF decks

>>96794986
>Heroes in a half shell
>doesn't have the hero typing

>>96795078
with the amount of shit that is released per minute, do you really expect WotC, of all instances, to be a creative mastermind?
There is only so much you can do with WotCs current rulset and about 5 zones in existence, except juggle cards around in a slightly different manner and call it something different this time.
Its bound to happen that everything looks similar with this much shit being released

>>96795181
Final Fantasy is based and in my opinion really meshes with the type of fantasy Magic has, TMNT, Marvel, etc are to me a completely different type of fiction/genre and it feels extremely out of place. Kinda like how LOTR works but Star Trek (despite my enjoyment of TNG) really feels off.

>>96795283
>Kinda like how LOTR works but Star Trek (despite my enjoyment of TNG) really feels off.
Um sweaty, Star Trek is adjacent to MTG now that EoE exists

>>96795193
Just be grateful they didnt make Teenage a typing

>>96795300
As much wonder and unique, magical stuff that exists in Star Trek, I think EoE really captures a more magical feel of things and less of a science-y take on it. Sure, we got ships and such, but maybe it's just me and my personal interest.

>>96794986
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>>96795325
>the cards in a cohesive deck synergize
no...

Is there Lesson synergy that exists outside ATLA? I remember seeing it before I think. Im gonna run this shit, its cool and I dont care. The scene where Zuko reflects lightning at Ozai was super kino

>>96794801
the ones playing fair magic don't care. target the one that instantly starts groaning because they have the most broken shit

>>96795283
>approved UB
Extremely gay

>>96795383
>I like things I like and think fit
>I don't like things I don't like and don't think fit
I know, opinions can be scary

>>96795393
>Tidus fits
lol

>>96795337
They make the same few deck archetypes every single set. Why bother buying them, it's just the same shit you already got and have seen a million times before.

>>96795400
I'd say FFX has the same kind of monsters and magic style, while being unique and different enough to not feel derivative of normal magic, yeah. Love the world, even if all the supplementary material ranges from almost great to utter and complete cancer.

>it's just an alt wincon guys come on
>ignores it's the cheapest one
>you just mikokoro them in response lol
>ignores that they can leave up to 2 cards in their library to dodge that and still win
why are retards like this?

>>96795383
This anon is correct. All UB is valid and contributes to MTGs identity. We cant yuck anyones yum with approved UB, because that suggests some UB isnt approved. I like Assassins Creed and Spiderman and hate FF and UW. Does that make FF and UW unapproved UB? No not at all.

>>96795432
also
>deadpool is only salty because it's UB
>ignores that it dodges ALL protection, can't be stifled/torpor orbed and is the wincon
only no-games can come up with this

>>96795444
that's true. every UB is all equal contributors
equally shit

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

>>96795456
That's true for Pauper EDH.

>>96795456
Preach sister.
Combo enjoyers must PAY

>>96795446
>Is the wincon
Infinite copy combo is the wincon. Deadpool just happens to be a good target. He can't win on his own.

>blocks you're commander
how does he do it?

>>96795456
Actually true, I should be able to realistically kill the green nigger before he has 10 lands.

>>96795446
>its also a 5/3
>is not only removal but also a clone
>drain effect for no reason
>player has to pay 3 to get rid of the drain - but draws their opponents 3 cards in the process for literally zero reason
>if your commander gets pooled you have to pay 3 for the privilege of paying 2 more commander tax to get your commander back
>for 4 mana

Deadpool is the most FIRE design powercreep bullshit of the recent years

>>96795414
>>96795283
Where do you get off pretending some UB is okay and others aren't?

>>96795510
>Where do you get off
On /d/

>>96795510
If Microsoft and Apple were teaming up for a project, you would except either a desktop PC or Phone project, certainly not a Romeo and Juliet Style Musical about Steve Jobs and Bill Gates

>>96795456
this, aggro has NO chance alone against a 40 life combo deck

>>96795534
>alone

>>96795474
>>96795534
>xir doesn't focus out the combo player
>claims to play aggro

>>96795488
>wait, infinite copies doesn't win you the game
>think again
holy shit that's devious

>>96795544
Xister, Im a group slug enjoyer

>>96795494
don't forget. removing him is most likely only to fuel him further
the only answer is to send him to the moon or turn to a forest and that's assuming they can't sac him in response

>>96795510
see >>96795393
I don't take a hard stance against UB, but I definitely think that WotC could be doing it SO much better than they are. 4/7 sets in a year? Insane. 7 sets in a year is already way too many, but Marvel and Spider Man? Eugh.
>>96795528
Hey I see what you did there!
>>96795529
This feels like it gets the point across pretty well

>>96795540
have you seen the current state of commander? it's all 1/3 value creatures to jerk yourself off with

>>96795552
>>96795571
LOL

guys I have a dumb question: if I play mishra and Im playing a game where he doesnt stick to the board and I cant do crazy copy plays, then what are my win cons?

>>96795552
I love the "pings everyone constantly" creatures.
>creates at least one scion literally every turn
>pings everyone for 2-4 damage per turn
>fuels your big boys OR acts as cheap blockers

>>96795544
>we need to kill the combo player
>but he hasn't done anything
>and you have the most creatures, you're obviously a threat
>we're all going to hit you, now

>>96795581
I used to have a Mishra deck, my old list is here
https://archidekt.com/decks/10506363/mishras_warforge
My main alternate wincons were just slapping the shit out of people with Karnstructs, or just outvaluing people with regular Tokens with provided keywords (Double Strike, Menace, Myriad, etc), or even just using Cyberdrive Awakener if I had enough stuff on the field to kill people without Mishra. Otherwise, I just blew counters on protecting him and such.

>>96795609
thanks. thats pricey. I go for a more budget friendly version. might add saheeli to my list too. she looks cool

>>96795635
Makes sense, this was my outlet for lots of expensive cards that now spend their time in Golbez. Oh, you might also want Depthshaker Titan, giving all of your artifact creatures Haste, Trample, and Melee could do a LOT for a pile of thopters.

Ban it

>>96795645
Counter it

>>96795582
>i love goodstuff, man
>its the best

>>96795648
>always play blue
No

>>96795599
>the apparent threat is SO bad that drooling tarts start main phase 1 Swords to Plowshares your beaters
>their main phase 1 even

>>96795510
>UB 1 features high fantasy themes, magic and creature tribes familiar to the game
>UB 2 features sci-fi, modernday cityscapes and superheroes
Which do you go with? Suicide is not an option, Jarjar-speaker

Playing against too strong commanders isn't fun for anyone.
>either everyone focuses that player down and they're just denied the entire game
>or everyone lets them play and they pop off and fuck everyone up with ease

FACT: Sol Ring should be banned

>>96795727
Fuck that free my boy Mana Crypt.

>>96795432
I dont see the issue thassas doesnt exist outside of b4/5. So you signed up for it. Or you've learned not to play with someone for lying about their deck ezpz

>>96795645
This is another case of a card thats only really good in high power.

>>96795727
>>96795755
UNBAN FLASH

>>96795663
Give it the blicky, anon.

>>96795790
It's good anywhere.
>gruul
>free shit out the ass
>transforms into a blightsteel colossus because fuck you

>>96795816
Its really not. Its good in high power cause you can likely chain proc him. In low power its middling. You are very unlikely to infinitely proc etali which is the only point at which its a problem.

>>96795668
I once had my tariel eat two stps in a row while a prossh player was very obviously running away with the game (crypt into ogre battledriver and other nonsense) and the scariest thing I could pull out of a graveyard was solemn simulacrum. This was many, many years ago and I am still mad. I didn't even have a big hand, I cannot understand what they were so scared of.

>>96795806
>recasts it and freecasts 20 mana worth of cards
Cool strategy bro

>>96795881
I run decks specifically to ruin a single person's fun.

>I shoot the dinosaur with a knife

>>96795727
Good luck telling every precon owner the target demographic Sol Ring needs to be swapped from the deck.

>>96795892
Every one of your murders is a 5 for 1, kiddo.

>>96795928
I accept your concession and will hit you for 2 damage.

An interesting idea
can anyone here name a deck that explicitly does not want sol ring in it?
Because I'm drawing blank, even Codie wants it to get out faster

>>96795582
Why is Eldrazi so fucking pushed

>>96795967
>pushed
I fucking love my Zhulodok deck, but it's definitely not pushed. Eldrazi really could use some new titans or big boys with some new gimmicks, especially defensive options and counterspells.

>>96794544 (OP)
>TQ
Equilor, all the way

>>96795363
Strixhaven has Learn, which lets you wish tutor Lessons, but that doesn't work in EDH

Return to Strixhaven will probably have some new Lesson synergy

>>96795995
>Eldr*zi players think this isn't pushed
The funny thing is I know its less pushed than the Eldrazi decks (two) I see at ye olde LGS

>>96795996
my wincon is beating you to death

>>96796017
Anyone buying the Zhulodok deck now is insane. I've seen people asking $375 for it, which is absolutely insane. I got mine way back for like $60. Personally I much prefer Zhulodok to Ulalek, since he pops off way harder with the titans and big boys. Ulalek seems far better suited to abusing copies of smaller, non-legendary stuff.

>>96795961
A friend of mine has a First Sliver deck where he doesn't play Sol Ring. According to him, occasionally having a faster start isn't worth hurting the consistency of his cascades.

>>96796006
Is that the one where urza consulted a bunch of time wizards during his wild and whacky adventures with xantcha or am I thinking of something else?

>>96795996
>"I am playing Child of Alara, basically if it dies it boardwipes creatures"
>"uhm okay anon"
>never cast commander throughout the entire game
>"I will search for a land.."
>"I will play an additional land this turn.."
>"..which lets me put these lands from my hand onto the battlefield.."
>lategame
>"I play Maze's End. TLDR, if I pay 3 and tap it and control 10 GATE Land cards I win. You have until next turn, good luck."
>entire table shits themselves and gang up on me
>barely survive to upkeep with 4 hp
>scrape the win off the floor

>>96796071
trash deck, caue

>>96796071
>they don't gang up on you the second you drop your first gate

>>96796057
Slivers don't NEED Sol Ring, but it never hurts. The ideal setup with First Sliver is
>get scroll rack
>set up your cascade
>play a WUBRG sliver
>get a shitton of free Slivers
>have stuff like Chrome and Amber Mox (Diamond if you're a richfag) as guaranteed casts tha ks to searching for a 0 cost spell after going through your Slivers
>repeat

>>96796084
>Diamond if you're a richfag
anon, CUMmander players always proxy.
play a fake game with fake cards I guess

>>96796082
That's the funniest part, my plan was on wide display the entire game, I even stacked my gate lands in a separate pile and the rest of my lands in another pile on the board.

>>96796079
It's arguably not a good deck, but it's fun. I am a big fan of having tons of lands, tons of mana to spend on flashy spells like Genesis Wave.

>>96796084
His 0 mana hits are those suspend demonic tutor and ancestral recall.

>>96796106
My LGS screeches and bans you if you use proxies. Personally I just use bootlegs and their "judges" never notice, but I did see them kick someone out for using anime tiddy proxies.

>>96796112
Those work too and absolutely slap. You can also use Demonic, Vamp, Imperial, and Worldly in the deck as well since they're only 1 and 2 cost. That way you can immediately queue up another WUBRG Sliver for your next turn.

>>96796121
>I did see them kick someone out for using anime tiddy proxies.
can't blame'em
>personally I just use bootlegs
I literally went to a PTQ with a 100% bootleg deck (lands included) and got my spot. "Judging" in this game is a bad joke hahahah

>>96795961
I've heard of a guy cutting it from Ivy cause he could barely use colourless mana for all the cantrips and whatnot. I've only played against it once or twice, but it still went wild quickly.

>>96795207
Do you have the Amelia edit?

Post d*ck pics

This one is a 4fun build (no wincons, just a emergency softlock) that I made with cards in my collection that I don't use anywhere else

>>96795961
Like some of the other anons have touched on, there's really no reason to take it out unless it actively hurts your gameplan. Its ubiquity is earned.

Unless it's going to fuck with resolution of your main gameplan or you're in a deck that actively hates colorless mana, it's pretty much perfect.

>>96795961
Decks with low generic costs.

>reading a primer
>it's written by chatgpt
great, thanks. the thing is, chatgpt probably wrote a better primer than what this retard could, and it's probably actually correct. but using AI just signals low effort, and if you're not bothered to write your own primer, how do I know you were bothered to build a proper deck in the first place?

>>96795961
devotion, maybe? but even then, i can't imagine it hurts to have

>>96795961
there is literally none EXCEPT heavy devotion decks that don't play their commander because sol ring still pays for the inevidable tax

>>96796348
it's pretty rare to have a deck that doesn't have enough generic cost on it's spells for sol ring to be useless

>>96795961
Can't cast it from the top so it's trash

>>96795790
It's literally good at any table. Probably worst at high power tables because you'll hit more counters and high synergy value pieces. It's like you took og Narset but let you cast four fucking cards without even attacking. It's literally four times worse than narset to play against. The value/cost ratio is absurd, probably one of the best in the game desu.

>>96796487
>ermm its actually WORSE when you can steal good cards with him.
Youre retarded. There is a reason etali sees cedh play and that is precisely because you can reliably flip into goodstuff gas from your opponents, tutors, draw, rituals etc.
>narset
Much stronger in low power pods.

>>96796487
>Probably worst at high power tables because you'll hit more counters and high synergy value pieces
HEY RETARD

IF YOU HIT THOSE

YOUR OPPONENTS DON'T GET THEM EITHER

>>96796544
It was in your opponent's library. They already didn't have it.

>>96796532
>Much stronger in low power pods
Wrong. There are way too many edicts nowadays
>There is a reason etali sees cedh
Sure. The reason I say it's arguably worst there is your less likely to hit big bombs, and a much higher density of counterspells. Worse doesn't mean bad btw, etali is certainly good in cedh, but absolutely triple-God unholy kijg bazookadick tier in lower power level contexts.

>>96796544
I don't think you understand my argument

Temur confuses me

>>96796532
The chance you flip into a counterspell or unusable combo piece, i.e. literally the worst possible hits, is way higher in cEDH. Despite that the value from the card is still high enough that it's run as a wincon. In lower power games now you swap half the bad hits for a random 8-mana bomb and surprisingly wow the card still looks good.

>>96796295
And this one is a "cedh" build. Dagsson was the 2nd edh deck that I made (back in last year of school when our group find about edh on a facebook group). The 1st deck was a Sliver Overlord one, but the foil og slivers play even better on a binder, so I dismantled it.
Since I 1st build Dagsson he went from a "swissknife" style that tryed to do everything (with Dagsson's tutoring); now it's a soulless U goodstuff that tries to combo on T1. Oh my days...

>>96796596
>Still trying to play cEDH Dagsson
Ahahaha

>>96796596
kino

>>96796479
Whenever I see genuinely impressive MTG art it's always some old heavy hitter, never a new artist

>>96795790
absolute fucking nonsense, Etali is way more likely to hit big Timmy bombs in lower brackets than in CEDH or B4

>>96796624
Poole is still the best, and no one can convince me otherwise.

>>96796570
>>96796592
Youre retarded. The worst possible hit for etali is a LAND CARD you fucking moron. And where are you more likely to hit a land? In lower tier games where the land count is higher. And, interaction is another thing you dont want to hit. Guess what has more interaction! Low power games! The chances of hitting gas is much better in cedh
>unusable combo piece
Such as...? What "unsuable" combo piece do you think hes hitting? If he hits a counter its a counter your opponents dont have (very good!) If you hit a combo piece YOU WILL USE IT or leave if exiled so they cant. Fuck sakes youre both retarded and got your shit kicked in by a middling deck and cant accept that.

>>96796479
>boros artist
>green card

WAS JOTC GONE MAD?????

>>96796632
WHAT BOMBS? This is fucking absurd. What ubiquitous goodstuff bombs is etali getting in low power matches? ~1/3 of low power decks are lands, much more than cedh decks so already you are more likely to hit shit. Second off low power decks are usually (USUALLY) more restricted in their card choices. Unlike the default goodstuff piles of cedh you will get tons of cards in low power that are literally only good for the deck they are in. Absolutely retarded opinion

>>96796651
If you mix red and white you get green, moron

>>96796651
Fun fact, Mr Boros did the art for all the guild charms
So you have Rakdos art by Mr Boros, and Orzhov art by Mr Boros, and so on.

https://scryfall.com/search?q=a%3A%E2%80%9CZoltan+Boros%E2%80%9D+charm&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name

>>96796668
go back to work, hasbro employee

>>96796676
It would be nice if he didn't made the boros charm

Is this deck bad? Because that one is the only one at my store, 5 decks of this still locked up for 60 bucks.

>>96796295
can't read any of them, anon-kun

>>96796694
SAAAAAAAR I HAVE ENERGY COUNTERS FOR YOU SAR

>>96796694
it's a theme they did several times in a row from a set that bombed

>>96796532
Etali sees cEDH play because he just so happens to provide good value on cast on top of his main purpose of being a infinite mana outlet for a gruul food chain shell just like every gruul cEDH commander before him.

>>96796644
Please reread Etali, Primal Conqueror as there are a few key differences on the card compared to Etali, Primal Storm that make the card significantly better.

>>96796694
>aerherdrift
Lol. Lmao even. Next you'll tell me you want a precon from the ass ugly murders at DEI manor set.

>>96796644
Kill yourself now

>>96796295
TimeTwister spotted

>>96796784
i'm with anon in this one, timetwister is unironically one of the best cards (fun factor) to play in 4fun tables. everybody got a new hand to try and do ~la chose

>>96796798
Gaslighting from someone that just went +6.

>>96796651
wait until your hear about my nigga Staples doing shit cards

>>96796412
Y'shtola mad we never got a Runar card

>>96796644
Are you kill yet?

>>96796412
Dont worry, chatGPT built the deck as well so you know its good

>>96796853
Nigga gettin faded af

>>96796893
Etali exiled It That Betrays and it turned sideways at him. He's dead, Jim.

>>96796916
heh heh helllllllllllllll yeah

What do you think of cyclonic rift

>>96794743
This ugly piece of shit perfectly encapsulates what's wrong with modern WotC art design.
>original Vesuvan Doppelganger is a regal megababe
>the "queen of vesuva" is a gross fat mystery meat goblin of indeterminate sex
It looks like a parody but it's reality.

>>96796943
Worse Farewell. Winds of Abandon sidegrade.

>>96796943
perfectly fine card
the only reason it's a gamechanger is only needing 1 blue to cast

>>96796965
> Worse Farewell
Holy white pipo cope

Hi guys, dumb question: is there any fast website or something like that where i can "save" cards or list of them for later search? there are times even here when someone plays a card didn't see before and later triying to remember i forgot where.
Thanks in advance

>>96796987
>is there any fast website or something like that where i can "save" cards or list of them for later search?
Have you tried writing it down on some paper or perhaps a .txt file? It's what I do

>>96796987
>there are times even here when someone plays a card didn't see before and later triying to remember i forgot where.
Do you have any idea how many Sticky Notes widgets exist for your phone???

Sell me on a mono White commander

>>96797094
No

>>96797094
Yosei Reanimator

>>96797094
I like casting armageddon and I like still having lands afterwards.

>>96796987
Just write it down on your clipboard
You do bring a labcoat and clipboard to game night, no?

>>96796412
chatgpt aside what do you expect from a good primer?

>>96797143
In response I cast Swords targeting Avacyn. You have now wasted 45 minutes.

>>96797160
I tap mother of runes to give Avacyn protection from White. Your move, creep.

>>96797169
In response I cast Path targeting Avacyn. You have now wasted 45 minutes.

>>96797169
I tap 5 treasure tokens and Boseiju, Who Shelters All, using the effect of Vedalken Orrery to flash out Farewell on all modes. It gets split second from Shadow the Hedgehog.

>>96797186
I sacrifice mother of runes to cast flare of fortitude. Your move, creep.

>>96797197
I... I kneel

>>96797198
I cast gun and pull the trigger

>>96797203
it's monover white

>>96797094
Play mageta the lion so you can bully creature based decks.

>>96796734
Oh right land cards cant be hit. Which isnt really a huge ultimately. The card selection in higher power games is still better. You are more likely to steal gas from other high powered decks.

>>96797197
you paid your last 2 life to boseiju. you die and everything you control ceases.

>>96797218
Worth it.

pew pew

>>96797216
The density of unplayables in high-power is much higher because there's a high volume of stack interaction and combo pieces (that Thoracle isn't doing much without backup). Yes the ceiling is theoretically higher (I say "theoretically" because people go through enormous amounts of mental gymnastics for including cards that really don't belong in their "casual low-power" decks), but the EV is much lower, and this is offset by often being able to reset it.

Gavin will appear at weeklymtg tomorrow and talk about the bracket system. What do we expect?

>leaf postal strike ends
>just got 5 packages I ordered months ago
>can't remember what cards I was replacing
>can't find my notes

fug

>>96797253
>$60
What the helly

>>96797364
he's fun and never ever being reprinted.

>>96797253
Everytime I've seen this guy played he just does nothing all game then loses

>>96795961
I don't put Sol Rings in my decks but I will never pretend it wouldn't make every single deck stronger if I did (hence why I don't, because I'm not a bitch).

The only decks I could think of that wouldn't want it would be dedicated landfall, like Green Queen, but even then it wouldn't be a totally dead card like a normal mana rock would be.

>>96795645
i used to play with a guy who ran that and he was probably the whiniest fag i have ever played with and would have like 10 mana on turn 3 and still ragequit because i doombladed it in response to him putting the myriad sword on etali and call my decks too competitive for running removal

>>96797401
Sounds like the average "casual" EDH player. I've made several people scoop by simply countering part of their deck because I can't have a cool moment without molesting their entire night apparently.

>>96797401
That's dumb because you want her to die

>TQ
Licia, Sanguine Tribune is from an unknown plane but the only reason I want that is because I think she's cool
>>96795961
I don't include Sol Ring in any of my decks, most of them would benefit from it except Baru, Fist of Krosa since it has tons of land ramp and cares about lands.

>>96794930
It's just your store trying to fuck you. It's up for like sixty USD on Amazon.

>>96796596
slavbased

>>96797094
unironically

>>96797591
Yup, its dog water

>people are bragging about not putting sol rings in their decks again
stunning and brave

I don't run nonbasic lands in my decks

I don't run basic lands in my decks

>>96797750
Me either, unless they're compatible with my commander's flavor and setting. So like, 4-8 nonbasics.

I don't run

I don't

I

>>96797750
>me after I play my 7th plane in a row and Emeria, the Sky Ruin is now online

>getting butthurt when others don't have to rely on crutch cards in their decks
lmao lol

>>96796965
Cyc Rift wins you the game
Farewell stops you from dying
very different

>>96795318
>As much wonder and unique, magical stuff that exists in Star Trek, I think EoE really captures a more magical feel of things and less of a science-y take on it
TRUE
Star Trek doesn't have nearly enough xie/xers to feel like real mtg

>>96797870
I've farewelled just types i didn't have plenty of times

>>96797870
>so I bounce your stuff
>Ok cool I recast it...

>>96797945
oh yes it fucking does and you can bet your ass they're going jam the set full of nuTrek

>>96797958
how are you recasting your stuff when I just won? Keep up.

>>96795961
Heartthull, the Worldseed. I know the precon comes with it, but I took those put and added more lands.

>>96797976
*I took it and Arcane Signet out and put in more lands.

>>96797974
Cyclonic Rift doesn't win the game though. Such a silly thing, I've never understood that canard. It's just as much of a defensive card as Farewell. However you win after a Rift, you could have won the same way without it. Probably more efficiently too. It doesn't help you combo. If you're going to combo it doesn't help you win. It's a card that keeps you from losing and disrupts your opponents. The only way it would help you win is by combat damage, and aggro decks don't really want Rift.

>>96795961
My Tatyova deck doesn't run it. It did run Mana Crypt, but Sol Ring feels too clunky on T1 and is terrible to topdeck.

>looking through collection of cards
>come across "Wash Out"
>Return all permanents of the color of your choice to their owners' hands
>oh, if I choose like red it would really mess up a goblin playe-
>PERMANENTS
this is a 4 mana ERADICATE TARGET MONO-COLOR PLAYER

>>96798025
Yeah it pretty good. Too bad for most deck being rainbow tho

>>96798012
>and aggro decks don't really want Rift.
Bro plz stop giving advice and go get some games in
Your opinions are dogshit

UNBAN MY ZESTY ELF YOU FUCKS

Any decent youtubers to watch for a new player? I was given a couple but they all were full of obnoxious leftist stuff

>>96798056
I'm willing to concede that it wins games in aggro decks. It's still a defensive card.

>>96798075
I want to know if there are any open conservative channels. I'd watch them.

I do like Nitpicking Nerds and MTGGoldfish Commander for the discussions, but I just know they are all lefties.

>>96798075
>I was given a couple but they all were full of obnoxious leftist stuff
Sorry, the Soifessor is kinda the best one
Yes, he platforms troons

>>96798075
There are no based mtg ecelebs. They're all leftists. Closest you'll get is that quartering guy. No neutral content either, they all inject ideology. Sorry bro.

>>96798106
>open conservative channels
What would that add? Is it cooler if your youtuber dislikes blacks instead of cops and drops references to that sometimes?

>>96798126
Well for one, it's because I can trust their opinions more since it's more likely to come from a sound logically mind since they are not affected by the liberal brain-rot/TDS.

>>96798025
Lands are colorless.

>>96798171
You're thinking of Wastes.

>>96798184
No all lands are colorless unless another effect gives it to them. Color identity is not the same as color.

>>96798193
Brother, lands literally tap for colored mana. Wastes do not. I have cast Wash Out on lands hundreds of times.

>>96795581
Mine are drawing my library with Jace or killing people with Mirrodin Besieged

>>96798217
I'll put it this way.
Color identity is this card saying he's white because he has white in his effect box. White cards might hang out in the same deck as him, but he doesn't fit in monoblack decks.
Color is what his manacost and typeline state. Unless he undergoes Micheal Jackson surgery from Eight-and-a-Half-Tails, he still dies to Mass Calcify.

Bait or retard

>>96798217
Yeah and I told my opponents Islands add WUBRG mana tons of times that doesn't make it the rule.

retard hours?

>>96798265
Ok I looked it up. It's legit. I guess they changed that rule recently. Lame.

Yesterday ive finally won a game with my turbojank Ravenloft Adventurer, Etrata, the Silencer and boardwipe(blasphemous edict in this case) ((((combo)))). It was fun and one of the guys who lost said my deck was cool. Thanks for reading my blog

>>96798025
I have been trying to shill Wash Out for over a fucking decade. Warms my heart that people are finally starting to wake up

>>96798303
>>96798330
massively retard hours

>>96798400
What makes your combo jewish?

>>96798386
>I guess they changed that rule recently. Lame.
No? It's always been like this. You've been playing the game wrong

>>96798435
It’s not exactly a combo since it’s very hard to pull off in just one turn alone, it’s not a (((them))) reference.

>>96798386
That's how it always worked. Color identity was invented for Commander as its own thing that was always different.

>>96798386
What do you mean recently? When were lands ever not colorless?

>>96798386
lands have been colorless since Alpha, dipshit

>>96798217
You've cheated hundreds of times lmao

imagine trying to brag that you've been cheating for many years nonstop

>>96798112
Damn that sucks. Was hoping there'd be someone who just talks about the game and gives some good tips for a new player, sounds like instead its all irl reddit, which I already seem to get at the table group Im gonna be playing with. Oh well

>>96798421
I am so acustomed to "NON-LAND permanents" that it just felt empty, like something was missing. Once I realised what it was I had a OH SHIT moment

>>96798458
>>96798460
>>96798474
I looked it up. They changed it when they printed Dryad Arbor.

Yo wtf is with the singles market, I've been to 10 stores this month and nobody has a deadeye nav

>>96798573
dryad arbor is just the first instance of a land inherently having color, without any other card involved
it has nothing to do with the fact that lands have always been colorless and that they can have color through other effects since alpha, retard

>>96798573
No it didnt
It was never that way

>>96798075
I like CGB because he mostly just plays the game.
Also, the collab videos he did with youtubers from other card games are unironically decent if you're a new player because they by necessity include a lot of explanations about mechanics and are a neat look into the game's history for an outsider.

>>96798600
Wonder if it's a hype thing cuz the prices of two versions of it spiked up a bit. Did some ""influencer"" on youtube shill some combo or something?

>>96798075
Strictly Better MTG dude is my favorite. I like to hear him talking, he does pauper content which i enjoy, and he seems like a cool, down to earth guy to be around.

>>96797149
combo lines, good tutor targets, unconventional card synergies, ideal mulligans, biggest weaknesses, and matchup specific swaps

>>96798573
even if it was (it wasn't), that was 20 years ago lmfao

>make a new deck
>super hyped to play it
>realize mid-game that several cards don't actually work the way you thought they would or just aren't good at all
Can't just be me. Every deck goes through this

>>96798075
ayaMTG

>>96798600
>wtf why do stores not carry a random 2 dollar bulk rare that's been printed twice

>>96798659
>hype
It's one of the most popular combo pieces in the format for like 15 years lmao

>>96798735
Yeah I don't pay attention to that kinda stuff desu senpai

>>96798704
Soulbond is a cool keyword

>>96798693
>imagine not using archidekt or moxfield or whatever to solitaire your deck first before actually building it on paper
it's not just you, but it's a few of you for a reason

Has anyone built a deck where all the art looks like it could have been done by the same person in the same style? I want a mono black deck in this style. Looks comfy.

>>96798756
Playing my deck is testing it I ain't gonna use websites when I can hang out with friends instead

>>96798753
Yeah, it's way cooler than shit like "web-slinging" or "start your engines"

>>96798768
yes, lots of people have built art/artist tribal decks

>>96798786
fuck

I don't have a Grok account, what's it say

>>96798735
isnt it just bad? you soulbond a creature, you flicker the creature, it etbs as a new creature and deadeye loses its self-flicker. so you have to flicker them both at the same time. four mana's like a lot in blue.

>>96794621
Whir for Grafdigger

>>96798106
The magic historian never really touches on his politics. But as a certified chud I can say I have never disagreed with his takes

>>96798106
seth is the most obvious closeted right winger i've ever seen in my life, pay closer attention

>>96798798
brandon sanderson showing off his sealed booster pack collection, people are taking it as a hint towards a future sanderson UB.

which honestly, as cringe and leddit as i think he is, at least his gay fantasy slop is still FANTASY. i will take it over marvel and TMNT and star trek

>>96798799
Real retard hours...

>>96798106
>nitpicking nerds
wew lad
>mtggoldfish commander
yikes

I seriously hope you are just watching them for a rage boner and dont actually follow their "advice".

>>96798456
That's the thing for which quotation marks are used.

>>96798833
we have a guy at our LGS who says "grafdigga" every time he plays this card and i just look at him like

>>96798753
It is cool. I just question the flavor of being able to resoulbond whenever another thing enters. Seems odd to constantly rebind your soul over and over. But regardless I'd like to see it return in some way.

>>96798919
god, there's someone at my LGS that does the same with Moriok Rigger. Everyone cringes every time he says it

>>96798735
It's useless in cEDH and casual tables frown upon combo most of the time.

>>96798919
Please dont bully him, hes just German

>>96798799
Assuming you're not just trolling, you should re-read the soulbond rules. When the other creature re-enters it can re-bond with Deadeye Navigator.
It's an outlet for infinite mana, it's protection, it's value with etbs and ltbs. Just an all-round solid card that can go to the max in the right deck.

>>96798833
Serious question how does this interact with Animate Dead. Does AD just go to the graveyard and thats it?

>>96799046
Also powercrept out by Displacer Kitten and Emiel the Blessed.

>>96798718
This but unironically

>>96798972
Please play games

>>96798871
getting stormlight as UB and shardblades as equipment would be kino
ofc sanderson would have to lawyer up this time and make it ironclad to prevent wotc from jewing it up again

I just get my cards from Amazon

>>96798857
Really? He looks like a left-winger.

>>96799097
Sanderson wouldnt mind if Vin were a black trans lesbian

how do you keep a simic commander down that generates explosive threats from half the creatures in the deck with 2/2 proliferates every turn but who gets like 15-20 mana a turn by turn 7-8 so he can almost always just immediately resummon him

>>96798857
Actual dumbass centrist post

>>96799119
Cyclonic Rift

>opponent attacks with board
>Me: Sudden Spoiling
>Opponent impulsively throws out a free counterspell
>Me: ITS SUDDEN SPOILING, DIPSHIT.
Please tell me Im not the only one who's ran into these types

>>96799069
I imagine it fizzles
Same reason you can use shroud to fuck up voltron players

>>96799137
Yes I do often run into dipshits that think everyone should memorize every card with one of the most poorly-designed keywords ever.

>>96799137
You sound like the nigger in this situation

>>96797094
Vigilance is an underrated keyword in B 2/3 tables

>>96799108
he defended the "ub is slop for pigs" post the community was up in arms about last week. that says it all if you ask me

>>96798106
Maldhound is just one bad fight over his lady friend doing OF from going super Aryan so follow him for that. Also Joe Cherries left over his theyism so at least they have that going for them.
>>96798126
>instead of
This neighbor doesn't know we out here doing both.

>>96799069
Fizzles and dies.
It targets the card just fine but is blocked from bringing it out by grafdigger, then it dies from changing itself to enchant creature without a legal target to attach to.

How do I find a commander group. I have a deck but I don't know anyone who plays

Also I live in the middle of nowhere in Europe

>>96799233
If you don't have actual IRL friends you can persuade to try the game and there isn't a gamestore or group that plays magic remotely close to you, then spelltable is your best bet.

>>96799233
there's a community for getting together spelltable games

>>96799137
that's why you have to read it all out loud
enunciate and use your diaphragm

>>96799137
Did you read the card to him

>>96799137
No, there's plenty of people who respond without knowing what exactly your spells do. It can land them in a lot of trouble if you can play them right.

>>96799137
>malding this hard
you should be happy that your opponent revealed his counterspell that you can now play around, retard

>>96799188
>Joe Cherries left over his theyism

I don't get this. Isn't Joe a flamer? Why would he leave? Isn't Beezy his best friend? Was Beezy making fun of him for being a gay or using pronouns? I'm confused.

>>96799330
Joe Cherries is a huge flamer, but Beezy didn't want the channel to get that kind of attention nor did he really care about it. Plus the numbers were going up when his girlfriend starting getting up on the videos, even more so when she put on a layer of makeup. So he left while getting very pushed.

>>96798600
That's why I proxy brah. I'm not wasting time chasing down cards.

>>96799368
Ah Beezy didn't want the channel being woke with they/them pronouns on the screen? Gotcha. Pretty based, but Beezy is a total sperg and his now single mother wife is doing almost nudes on Onlyfans. Not very based. Divorce coming soon.

Do these threads ever host spelltable games? I think it could be fun

>>96799493
I would rather never play again than play with /edhg/

>>96799499
me neither, you sound like an insufferable cunt

What's a wincon that can be built for her that's not Thoracle / Labman?

>>96799493
I don't think it'd be a good idea, since you'd be playing with guys like these
>>96799499
>>96799499

>>96799559
Blew my mind the other day when I saw this is one of the most played cards in modern lmao

>>96799559
>her
kekw wotc's art direction got another nigga

>>96799559
Turbo combo with Lotus Bloom, Copy Artifact, and Ancient Den
Isn't that so much better?

>>96799578
Oh, so I see. Now answer the question.
>>96799576
I noticed that they could get out Sol Talisman and Mox Tantalite out of the grave for W, so that doesn't surprise me.

>>96799559
Build it as a lantern control deck and make everyone scoop out of pure misery.

>>96799409
Chasing down is like 50% of the fun of this format

Mail call!

>>96799559
The usual wincons for cEDH builds of this are:
Copy Artifact + an artifact land recycling Lotus Bloom to generate infinite mana, which can then be used to generate infinite draw and then the actual kill is infinite extort with Blind Obedience (there are several variants of this combo which I will not get into)
Mind over Matter + any two artifact or enchantment lands that enter untapped
Also, although it doesn't directly need the commander since you're already playing Mind over Matter you might as well also play One Ring since those two are a combo too.
There's zero need to play Thoracle in that deck and it just reduces card quality.

>>96799576
Yeah turns out that after MH3 you have so many good MDFC lands that goblin charbelcher combo decks are suddenly very viable. It also turns out that recycling lotus bloom with tameshi is also the best way to generate the 7 mana needed to win with belcher quickly.

>>96799701
doesn't lotus bloom only give 1 mana? how is tameshi's recycling ability mana-positive?

>>96799730
You're thinking of Lotus Petal retardkun.

>>96799730
You're confusing it with lotus petal, lotus bloom gives 3 mana but has suspend 3 so you can either suspend it turn 1 and wait for it "fairly" (viable in modern, highly not reccomended in EDH since you only have one) or you can find a way to discard it so you can reanimate it with Tameshi skipping the suspend. You can also "cheat" it into play with whir of invention/reshape for X=0. The math then works out that you got positive two mana for every Tameshi activation, since you have to bounce a land to hand for every activation it works out similar to if you had cast a rain of filth. It's not unusual to be able to "ritual" for 10-20 mana on turns you're trying to win with this interaction, both in modern and EDH.

Cards you want to put your dick in?

>>96799685
>>96799598
What's a wincon slightly above battlecruiser?

>>96799837
that's not a creature

Rekyle, Anarcho Tyrannist
UBRG
Legendary Creature - Gnome Illusion
If any ability would trigger, it triggers two additional times instead.

Whenever another ability triggers, it's controller loses 1 life unless that pay 1.

1/1

>>96799663
nice "cards" chinaman

>>96799817
No, I don't care that she's ran through

>>96799855
that's not going to stop me

>>96797214
How does this nigga even win a game
Surely you just get blue'd to death even if you manage to keep the other players off the board

>>96799841
You can do a similar loop using Patron of the Moon, which is more battlecruiser-y and is pretty flavourful too I guess.

>>96799892
Well you don't really win. You just make the creature decks miserable and then die to combo.

>>96799861
stop posting your made-up cards, tard-kun
>>96799817
I mean, there's a whole list but the 1st that came to head (GET IT???) was my waifu

I'm an illiterate ESL faggot, these two don't combo right? Jonah never sees menace off the trigger when the attack is declared, so he misses the timing?

>>96800121
yes he misses it, instead just use Goblin War Drums.

>>96800121
This entire post is true.

>>96799861
should be boros, or maybe azorius

>turn 1
>go first
>dark rit
>sol ring
>arcane signet
>windfall
>2 players miss their land drop

Are turn 1 mulligans sleeper OP?

>>96800337
I'll make it easy for you.
>Turn 1
>Mountain
>Winds of Change

>>96800337
>turn 1: land, go
>turn 2: 2-mana guy who draws a card
>turn 3: play a ramp creature
>turn 4: fuck around, do nothing
>turn 5: play an all-nonland board wipe
all opponents now proceed to play on 3 lands without mana rocks because they're running 32 lands in an average 5cmc midrange pile.

free wins all the time.

>>96800337
>is ramping into draw when only I get to do it good guys?
a real noggin jogger that one

>>96800337
>turn 1
>go first
>dark rit
>entomb thoracle
>consultation
>reanimate
Are turn 1 wins sleeper OP?

>>96800337
>sleeper

good and fun mono B commander?
anyone here built him?

>no triggers only once per turn/sorcery speed bullshit

>>96799663
I got a bunch

>>96800531
Would be obnoxious with toshiro

>>96796295
That's a pretty small pic anon

>>96797364
We warned that UB would result in a new pseudo-reserve list. Pretty sure the deal for 40K has now expired and no more print runs for the decks. As seen, the singles in those decks are now reaching absurd prices. WOTC claims they can totally reprint them but is likely lying. This is why you should buy these precons. Because in a few years all the singles in it will be like 20+

>EDH night tomorrow
>obnoxious people keep forcing themselves into our pod despite me making it clear I do not want them there and dislike them heavily
>no longer look forward to EDH night
>might just stop going

>>96800201
Cold asf pussy
>>96799933
Hot asf pussy

>Secret lairs made limited amounts because "they totally want to get them out faster!"
>still clearly printing after orders
>takes weeks anyway still
lol

>>96800761
>me making it clear I do not want them there
"I h-hate you guys" he stammers, as he's knocked out first.

>>96800770
probably the printers are overloaded with printing sets now and they havent found spare capacity of any sort, let alone that passes the minimum of QC wotc requests.

>>96800747
yfw you realize wotc having no plan for a reprint policy is part of the plan. No future reprints means players are incentivized to buy NOW and drive current sales. They are crashing this game, with no survivors

>play picrel around 6 times
>each game the table just bitches

Here’s the meltdown from today.
>dreamhalls
>snort, no one takes the wheel/dmg
>have mirari/twinning/parnesse staff out
>final fortune everyone, me last
>cast headgames and give 2 people a copy of it
>they all sabotage each other and land drop on their turn then lose to final fortune and call my win faggoty

>>96800802
Find a new group. No clue why people stick with groups like this. Tell them to suck a cock and then never interact with them again.

>>96800802
The only faggoty thing about this is all the UB. Maybe that Final Fortune SL too lmao

WGU villain

Wow it's kind of hard to make a Bruvac deck that isn't bracket 4

>>96800337
>don't miss my land drop because im not a retard who runs less than 39 lands

>>96801147
I run 44 and sometimes it still happens.

>>96801147
>>96801150
>running that many lands
ew

>have to somehow cut 15 cards
Oh yeah this ain't happening

>>96800531
Kaervek was such a weird pull to make a cowboy

>>96800802
well yeah, you're playing Vivi, you're a faggot by default

Should cards like the Medallions be counted as mana rocks in your decks mana rock total?

>>96797401
>not letting him do his thing
You're in the wrong.

>>96801552
Depends on the deck.

>>96801437
Like Rakdos made any sense either. Dude literally is an ancient demon with a cult dedicated to him and he's reduced to being a random member of a stupid Oceans Eleven heist. It's like they just picked random characters that they wanted to bring back but didn't have anything of substance for them to do.

>>96801876
Ancient demons gotta have fun too

>>96801876
at least Rakdos was a semi-popular character who showed up in the set immediately prior to becoming a cowboy. Kaervek hadn't done anything since Time Spiral.

Redpill me on Toolbox. Is it fun?

>named toolbox
>not a toolbox commander

>>96802081
It really didn't need the "mana value 4 or greater" bit but he cute

Henzie + Umori but your card type artifacts or enchantments

>>96800531
Casting a copy is nowhere near as good as casting it without paying its mana cost

>>96801876
ravnica became kiddified/flanderized since RTR
the tone shift between ravnica 1.0 to 2.0 (never mind 3.0) is just leaps and bounds

Print it you cowards

>>96803037
garbage and retarded

>>96803104
Actually very neat and thoughtful

>>96803106
>no guys my idea is based
It really isn't.

>>96803037
finally i can play upheaval in edh

>>96803107
Yah, it is. Thanks for your input tho

I'm baking new

You go to a game store you have never been to before. As you are sitting down for a game, you hear some commotion from another table.
>What the hell is that card?!
>It's a normal card, I just like that Final Fantasy artwork. I swear I don't play any actual Universe Beyond cards!
Suddenly everybody else in the store starts chanting:
>PURGE
>PURGE
>PURGE
They grab the guy and his cards and start going through his deck boxes and binders and rip up all UB cards they can find. When everything is over there are torn up cards everywhere and the guy is absolutely broken. Everybody goes back to their table and they continue playing like nothing happened.
>So Anon, what are you playing?

>>96803122
imagine the type of mental illness it takes to write this out

New is baked

>>96803152
>>96803152
>>96803152