Thread 96799302

Welcome to the Old School Renaissance General, the thread dedicated to Gygaxian D&D, their various modern clones, and content created specifically for use with them. Later editions (2e and newer) should be discussed elsewhere.

Broadly, OSR games encourage a tonal and mechanical fidelity to Dungeons & Dragons as played in the game's first decade — less emphasis on linear adventures and overarching meta-plots and a greater emphasis on player agency.

If you are new to the OSR, welcome! Ask us whatever you're curious about: we'll be happy to help you get started. We also have two excellent beginner guides created by Anons with feedback from the thread, feel free to check them out for answers:

>n00b DM's Guide
https://pastebin.com/EVvt6P0B
>n00b Player's Handbook
https://pastebin.com/XALkXkV0


>Troves, Resources, Blogs, etc:
http://pastebin.com/9fzM6128

>Need a starter dungeon? Here's a curated collection:
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/94994969/#95006768

>Previous thread:
>>96775865

Thread Question:
What's your favorite OSR actual play/play report/replay? Hard mode: can't say Gygax's Greyhawk campaign stories.

Note to the jannies: this is the real /osrg/, the other one is a troll shitpost designed too try to block out the new OP text agreed by anons in the last thread. You can see this easily by comparing that thread to the old OP, he just removed most of the text entirely.

Note to anons: If I fucked anything up in this OP, let's hear it so I or whoever makes the next thread can fix the errors!

>What's an OSR?
>Don't know how to get started?
The friendly n00b guides can be found here:

>n00b DM's Guide
https://pastebin.com/EVvt6P0B
>n00b Player's Handbook
https://pastebin.com/XALkXkV0

Want to contribute to the thread but don't know where to start? Use this table.

>1. Make a spell
>2. Make a monster
>3. Make a dungeon special
>4. Make a wilderness location
>5. Make an urban set piece
>6. Make a magic item
>7. Make a class, race, or race-as-class
>8. Make a 4-10 room lair.
>9. Make a trap
>10. Roll 2D10 and combine

>>96799332
I put the noob guides into the OP already! Nice one though, I forgot to migrate the table.

>>96799328
Retarded nogames thread
fixed that for you.

>>96799328
Looks good to me.

>>96799328
Thanks for your quick effort, OP. I agree that we can tinker with the fine bits of revised wording if need be later. The main thing is to stop the thread hijacker.

Now it's on StrictTimeRecords to update the pastebin with the new OP.
https://pastebin.com/9fzM6128

>>96799351
I'm already seeing one minor mistake myself: "their various modern clones" doesn't make sense when referring back to "Gygaxian D&D", so hopefully I or whoever else does it remembers to fix that for the next OP. It should say something like
>Gygaxian D&D, the various modern clones of those systems, and content created specifically for use with them
I guess.

>>96799347
Oh, right I missed it. Well, we can fine tune these things next time, now we were in a hurry to get a real thread going.

>>96799360
>Thanks for your quick effort, OP.
No problem!

>The main thing is to stop the thread hijacker.
Right, exactly. I was intending to wait for page 10, but with the troll OP that wasn't an option anymore.

>>96799350
This thread's OP is 85% less faggot than the other one.

>>96799302 (OP)
>TQ
For me it's got to be Planet Algol, I still return to those session reports now and then. He just manages to make the environment so interesting, and the players' weird fuckups and shenanigans make the read enjoyable.

>We get this thread
>Deep One gets his own thread and will stay there since he now has to keep it alive or admit no one else is in it
I see this as a win

>>96799427
We'll get some fascinating opportunities for studying the diseased mind as he populates a thread with his own discussion.

Anyways, enough about 2efag: onto games. I've seen a few posts over the years that are strongly opposed to too much content in a hexcrawl, but I admittedly don't follow the argument. I've run a game with heavy hexcrawl content and haven't felt it to be an issue. I was wondering if someone against the idea could clarify why they think it's bad for a campaign.

>>96799302 (OP)
>What's your favorite OSR actual play/play report/replay?
The Barrowmaze/Stonehell campaign by DoctorDuckButter. Sadly, he stopped sharing the sessions because of trolling in the comments.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLIaJekezJHE8SnlJ6g6n5l6cgbJx9qbNW

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLIaJekezJHE9_jwLB8R0GPzL9_8ssyWY7

>>96799494
>trolling in the comments
WTF, is that even possible on Youtube? Can't the video creator just disappear that shit? RIP to the replay though, sad.

>>96799491
>I've run a game with heavy hexcrawl content and haven't felt it to be an issue.
How heavy?

My two Rappen worth of opinion:

The thing is, if you have too much stuff too close to one another, the exploration component goes right out of the window.

And when the density gets too high, you effectively remove the possibility for lairs, strongholds, and other content generated dynamically at the table. Which can start to smell like the DM having too heavy a hand on the setting for my taste.

>>96799532
That's the reason he gave. I don't think the trolling was in the YT comments --- I've never seen one, at least, and I was watching the episodes almost immediately after they came out. They might have been on twitter or some other platform where he shared the links to the sessions.

>>96799372
I'll do it in a thread or two, once the fine-tuning is over with.

>>96799491
>I was wondering if someone against the idea could clarify why they think it's bad for a campaign.
Sure! In brief (okay this didn't end up brief lmao, sorry, I lied), the point of hexcrawling is exploration, but that requires space: room for the PCs to pick routes and for random encounters to occur, quite simply room for the wilderness adventuring to breathe. If you have content in every hex, first of all the exploration never has time to get going: you just move your pawn one step and return to dungeon/town/lair mode. Then if that whole business didn't take too much in-game time, you need to zoom back out and use part of whatever's left of your daily movement allowance to exit that hex and enter the next, where the process repeats. It makes the actual hexcrawling mechanics hard to keep track of and possibly pointless.

The other issue is that with content in every hex, the environment loses all verisimilitude and goes from being an unexplored wilderness to a theme park with evenly spaced rides, which many players and referees feel is extremely bad for immersion and just general credibility.

Both these problems synergize to create a strange, artificial rhythm of gameplay which is often regarded as distasteful and undesirable.

>>96799561
Faggotry. Faggotry never changes.

>>96799491
>>96799601
Oh also, I should add to this that there's one specific exception, the Carcosa Caveat: if you have a large-hex-scale environment and each hex contains an encounter which is basically just a random critter, this works okay because you basically just treat that as a prerolled random encounter and dice to see if the PCs bump into it when they enter the hex. But, as you can probably tell, this is just a way to expedite what you'll need to use tables for once those encounters are exhausted.

>>96799575
Top notch, not-quite-Anon!

>>96799491
LOL, he's actually doing this. Incredible.

Curious question time: I know the original Cleric was meant to be the Simon Belmont to Sir Fangs Dracula, but is there any way to switch it out for a more Friar Tuck-esq role in the party?

>>96799654
Yeah, there are a bunch of friar-y variants. IIRC the Dolmenwood book has one although I didn't go in on that Kickstarter so I don't know for sure.

>>96799672
Cheers man

>>96799627
>the Carcosa Caveat
That's pretty much how Wilderlands of High Fantasy was "stocked" too, except at a lower density and more varied IIRC.

>>96799654
Fantastic Heroes & Witchery generated some buzz a few years back for its friar. Can't recall how it worked, but you might want to check that.

>>96799654
The Disneywood Friar is just that. The screenshot is from Dolmenwood Uncensored, though.

>>96799726
I mean, to my mind the Wilderlands is sort of the platonic form of a hexcrawl, but it's true that many of its keyed encounters are still effectively just a monster. The Wilderlands uses 5-mile hexes, though (which I think of as standard along with 6-mile, not large) and it keys only a small minority of hexes, 1:10 to 1:12 depending on the map IIRC.

>>96799743
>class ability to use a sausage as an improvised weapon
Kek, ol' Gavin ain't all bad ater all.

>>96799791
>ol' Gavin ain't all bad ater all
Some of his stuff is actually good: I am one of those who criticise him, but much of my disappointment is because of high expectations.

>>96799654
Not to come off as a contrarian, but honestly, the Cleric can do it pretty well already, if you don't mind the spellcasting (and if you do, the Fighting-Man might...): in a lot of the stories Friar Tuck wears chainmail under his habit and a skullcap helmet, and the biggest real issue Cleric-wise is that he also uses a sword and bow, which are prohibited to Clerics.

>>96799777
>The Wilderlands uses 5-mile hexes, though
I personally consider 5-mile and 6-mile hexes to be exactly the same. As in, if I'm playing AD&D or OD&D I'll read 6-mile hexes as if they were 5 miles, and if I'm playing B/X I'll read 5-mile hexes as if they were 6 miles.

Really no point getting OCD over that difference IMHO.

>>96799791
Gavin's a good guy, the main complaint with Disneywood is just that he put too much effort into taking all the edges off to avoid offending hypothetical somebodies. Like renaming the "minstrel" class to "bard" which is changing out a not-racist-unless-you're-retarded name for what is actually kinda racist against the Irish, as it implies Bards were nothing more than traveling musicians and thieves, rather than a kind of rennaisance-man sage who spoke for the law and mediated disputes between nobles and shit. (Shitting on Irish history like that has a long tradition among British racists.)

Have we entered a new era of based janning?! I think we have! I'm willing to risk a warning for commenting on moderation and say MODS = GODS

>>96799821
Yeah agreed, that's what I mean. 5 and 6 are both standard, whereas e.g. Carcosa's 10-mile hexes count as "big" by my lights in that PCs will only be able to travel one or two a day.

>>96799654
>>96799743
There's also the Acolyte from Carcass Crawler, a bolder revision that replaces spellcasting with Thief-like skills, but leaves combat abilities unchanged.

If I were you, I would probably do a hybrid of the Friar and the Acolyte.

>>96799844
>Carcosa's 10-mile hexes
oh, right, sorry

So the Complete Book of Elves was an absolute shitshow. Do we think that the new ACKS book, Before All Others can be a worthwhile replacement?

>>96799806
>>96799826
I'm not going to disagree with you, anons. I think he did a valuable public service in launching OSE, too. I just wish he hadn't crumpled in the last few years as >>96799826 describes and also by launching Dolmenwood as a standalone game instead of the setting book OSE was always intended to support. Yeah yeah, WotC OGL scare, I get that, but still.

I also wish he'd stuck more staunchly on Greg Gorgonmilk's side when that whole shitshow went down, but, IDK, Greg doesn't seem that bitter about it so maybe it's not a big deal. I wasn't impressed though.

>>96799491
It's bad because the GM *will* get resentful when the PCs don't engage with his stuff that he seeded the hexes with. "Cool, more monsters? Let's go do something else."

>>96799865
Could be, remains to be seen. I do know it will be "boring" and the "worst thing ever printed" though!

>>96799865
>Do we think that the new ACKS book, Before All Others can be a worthwhile replacement?
I've watched a video in which Macris spends a couple hours discussing the research and ideas that went into it.

I don't think I'll be using his shitbrew classes (but I'm keeping an open mind), but some of his ideas seem really good. For example, how he worked out the Elves' relationship with the environment (one hex in which they are friends with animals, surrounding hexes in which they hunt), food production (agroforestry), immortality (lost because Dwarves cut their trees), little stuff like that.

>>96799885
I've had a chance to playtest the druid. It was all right. Playing as the evil druid (Hypogean) does kind of gimp you, because you can't rez someone, and the "give up something valuable to you."

>>96799902
>I've had a chance to playtest the druid
How does it work, does he have his own spell list within the Divine magic system or whatever the fuck it's called in ACKS, I forget? Or did Macris develop a new, separate magic system and spell list for Druids? E.g. does he have the equivalent of Call Lightning and other attack spells?

>>96799925
No, the druid is an arcane/divine caster, meaning he can cast both and has two separate tracks for arcane and divine. The chief advantage is that the divine list is also studious, so you can build your own repertoire, rather than having it fixed.

Haven't been in this general in a while, but last time I was here there was a guy making his own spell casting system for his game inspired by Carcosa. Is Carcosa-bro still here? Have there been updates to that homebrew?

>>96799865
I feel like it's liable to be one of those books that has limited utility if you don't set your game in the Auran Empire. I mean, I understand why he does that so I respect it, but, still, it's hard to envision it coming to much use at my table.

>>96799885
Kek, I get how that makes sense but it's also some comical pragmatism.
>Yes, we are brothers of all the creatures of Earth. ...In this sacred glade, but if that deer nigga sets one foot over the boundary I'm busting an arrow in his ass and roasting him for dinner.

>>96799942
But do Druids get Mysteries?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JDf2p4GVIg

>>96799942
Oh cool, he went back to the pre-Blackmoor OD&D druid!

>>96799968
>I feel like it's liable to be one of those books that has limited utility if you don't set your game in the Auran Empire
Based on the Dwarf book, it'd have uses in making a 'Pure X' campaign most likely as well.
Who hasn't wanted to do a Dwarfholm reclaimation campaign at some point? I can easily imagine something similar for elves given the chance.

>>96799964
I remember that anon! I don't think I saw him post anything since then, might be wrong though.

>>96799942
>the druid is an arcane/divine caster, meaning he can cast both and has two separate tracks for arcane and divine
Oh, I see. Not sure it's very elegant to have to keep track of two separate spell lists, I think I'd prefer something simpler but it can definitely work.

>The chief advantage is that the divine list is also studious
Funny, I think I'd have done it the other way around.

If that's the case I don't hate it, but I think the OSE-Advanced Druid might be better.

>>96799987
Best Dwarf book I've ever seen is the one for Trudvang. Incredible art, great concepts. Shame about the system though.

>>96799968
>limited utility if you don't set your game in the Auran Empire
Yeah, I'm going to steal a few ideas and that'll be all probably.

>but if that deer nigga sets one foot over the boundary I'm busting an arrow in his ass and roasting him for dinner
To be fair, that's actually the range of the animal-friendship-like effect in B/X strongholds already. He's just taken something that was already there and worked out the consequences. So things like this are going to hold up in a largely setting-independent way.

>>96799990
Damn. His posts actually got me to read that supplement. I loved the more ritualistic casting and how scary it made sorcerers, but it's so tied into the setting you can't really plug it into your game neatly.
Hope he made some good progress on it. I remember him saying some of it was similarly quite tied it his setting too, regardless I'd still love to see it.

>>96800089
>it's so tied into the setting you can't really plug it into your game neatly.
Yeah, that's the big problem with Carcosan Sorcery. You can't just lift it, and a version which you could lift would lose a lot of the flavor and interest since a lot of the point is how strongly it's tied to specific locations in the setting, which drives expliration and deepens the setting itself. I think Anon would *have* to similarly rope his implementation into his own setting for it to be worth doing.

Still, I really think McKinney set a precedent in terms of alternative magic systems, maybe more important than he realized at the time, and it's an object lesson in how high quality inevitably requires work, IMO.

>>96800023
>He's just taken something that was already there and worked out the consequences.
Oh, interesting! I didn't realize that at all. Very nice, and good catch, Anon. I stand by the hunting part being funny, though.

>>96800089
>I loved the more ritualistic casting and how scary it made sorcerers, but it's so tied into the setting you can't really plug it into your game neatly.
Yeah, you'd have to build the setting from the ground up with Carcosa sorcery in mind.
I've actually been thinking about it, for my next setting I might remove magic entirely and instead use the ACKS magical research tables to represent being able to research occult rituals that are unique and require you to start with what you want to do then work backwards. Any magic spells have to come from calling up monsters with spell-like abilities, ect. Maybe with miracles for clerics as well. A full on low magic setting would be an interesting thing to run for my group.

>>96800186
I've been thinking of something similar, but a hybrid system. Remember how in The Dying Earth it seems that spell memorization is for pleb wizards, whereas the really high-powered ones have sandestins bound to their will, doing the magic for them? I've been thinking that it could be interesting to keep Vancian casting but cut it off at level 3 or 4, with something Sorcery-like required to obtain any higher-level power using summoned magical entities as middlemen for the casting. I feel like it could be kind of a best of both worlds situation.

>>96799846
>This allows them to research miscellaneous magical effects
What are these? I don't remember them from B/X, but I guess they must be there since the text makes reference to core OSE.

>>96800885
It's one of those "draw the rest of the fucking owl" moments in B/X, and early D&D in general. ACKS has fleshed these out relatively well, in my opinion.

>>96799302 (OP)
>Old School Renaissance General, the thread dedicated to Gygaxian D&D
Why is OP misleadingly calling it an OSR general when it ignores huge swathes of the OSR?

As Unearthed Arcana is by Gygax, I expect it shall be welcomed with open arms and no talk of "first decade" shall be uttered against it.

Since we're lionising Gygax, C&C is in
>AD&D per se is as dead a system as Latin is a language, while the C&C game has much the same spirit and nearly the same mechanics.
>Gygax, 2006

You'll want to accept Gygax's opinion because his post ended with
>(never 2E!) :lol:

>>96800965
>It's one of those "draw the rest of the fucking owl" moments in B/X
Pic very related, thanks for the explanation and citation though, Anon.

>>96801011
>a brand new attempt at topic sliding via definition quibbling
Weak attempt however, fishfag, very weak. You'll need to polish this turd a great deal.

>>96801057
Glad to help.

>>96801071
He's constructively suggesting that we replace:
>Welcome to the Old School Renaissance General, the thread dedicated to Gygaxian D&D, their various modern clones, and content created specifically for use with them. Later editions (2e and newer) should be discussed elsewhere.

With:
>Welcome to the Old School Renaissance General, the thread dedicated to first decade Gygaxian D&D, their various modern clones, and content created specifically for use with them. Later editions (2e and newer) should be discussed elsewhere.
(I've just added "first decade".)

I think it's in fact clearer if we do say "first decade", even if it's repeated in the second paragraph, because (1) it makes it explicitly clear for newbies that we're excluding the whole Dragonlance bullshit without having to enter a discussion on the Hickman Manifesto every single time, and (2) the first decade gets moved from the "broadly speaking" portion to the core definition, making it stronger.

Then we may have to explain WHY we're excluding DL, but that's only after we've made it clear THAT we're excluding it. It's much better than the other way around IMHO.

>>96801152
>He's constructively suggesting
You're giving way too much credit, but sure, that's a decent suggestion

>>96801152
Maybe you're right, and he's just trying to help polish the OP text. Very well. I think at the very minimum there needs to be a comma:
>Welcome to the Old School Renaissance General, the thread dedicated to first decade, Gygaxian D&D, its various modern clones, and content created specifically for use with them. Later editions (2e and newer) should be discussed elsewhere.
(I also fixed the number incongruence)

I'm not sure I agree the duplication but I'm also not hostile to it really, if you guys think it'll tighten the OP up, why not.

>>96801173
(You could also imagine >Gygaxian first decade D&D or >Gygaxian D&D, as played in the game's first decade; the latter is an even more direct copying of the second paragraph as would require rephrasing that, I think. But that might be for the best anyway)

>>96801071
Get a grip. I don't play C&C but it's been OSR from the start of the OSR and if some of you guys don't want to talk about it name the thread better, don't lie and call this an OSR thread let alone OSR general when you exclude OSR games.

>>96801152
>He's constructively suggesting that we replace:
Thanks for being rational but I wasn't saying that. I was saying this thread lies when it says it's the OSR general, and I was saying Gygax approved of C&C as close to what he did. In other words C&C has
>tonal and mechanical fidelity to Dungeons & Dragons as played in the game's first decade
even though it's immediate ancestor was 3e, because 3e has a common core with OAD&D despite all the stupid stuff it added and changed.

>>96801185
Just go suck a cock. If you actually want to discuss those games then go ahead. No one will stop you. At least it'd be less unsightly than shitting and pissing recurrently about a non-issue.
>OMG I LITERALLY CAN'T TALK ABOUT THESE GAMES BECAUSE THE OP TEXT DOESN'T INCLUDE THEM PLEASE MAKE IT MORE INCLUSIVE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!!11!
Shut the fuck up and talk about them then. You don't actually want to talk about ANY OSR at all you lala homo dramawhore.

>>96801185
>>96801222
Anon, you were right. This is a very fine, incisive piece of constructive criticism indicating that we need to further clarify the wording so that it's apparent that C&C, not being a clone, is not OSR. Any suggestons on that?

>>96801165
>>96801173
>Maybe you're right, and he's just trying to help polish the OP text
That's absolutely what he's been doing for years now. In fact, look at the outcome of his insistence, we have improved the OP and now it's much better. I'm grateful for his polite and constructive criticism.

>>96801182
Those are all fine alternatives. Perhaps "Gygaxian" fits better in the broadly speaking part?

>Broadly, OSR games encourage a tonal and mechanical fidelity to Gygaxian D&D in the 1974–1983 period — less emphasis on linear adventures and overarching meta-plots and a greater emphasis on player agency.

Either way, saying "1974–1983" the second time with an en dash, not with a hyphen has two benefits: it avoids the repetition and helps people who are confused about how long a decade is.

>>96801292
>so that it's apparent that C&C, not being a clone, is not OSR
While I appreciate the spirit of his exhortation that we make it explicit that C&C is deprecated by the thread, I think going into that kind of detail is outside of the scope of the OP.

I'm open to suggestions if it's worded in a way that's more generally applicable than just C&C. Perhaps we could change:
>their various modern clones
to
>their faithful modern clones
?

>>96801334
Purely in terms of prose I see the validity of your suggestion. Personally, though, I think "Gygaxian" should be in the first sentence for preference – right up front so it can't be misunderstood or quibbled with. That's the topic of this general, after all. We should lead with it.

>>96801364
>I think going into that kind of detail is outside of the scope of the OP.
I agree. I mainly just want to highlight his dedication to preventing any possible misunderstanding going forward.

Why does the wright box project exist when white box is already out there and is about a 1:1 copy of the original rules?whats the point.

>>96801414
To make a little money selling stuff, I would suppose?

>>96801414
My bad, wight box, I mean.

>>96801182
>>96801334
>>96801364
>>96801374
We're getting there, I think. What about:

>Welcome to the Old School Renaissance General, the thread dedicated to first decade, Gygaxian D&D, its more faithful modern clones, and content created specifically for use with them. Later editions (2e and newer) should be discussed elsewhere.

>Broadly, OSR games encourage a tonal and mechanical fidelity to 1974–1983 Dungeons & Dragons as intended and taught by its creators — less emphasis on linear adventures and overarching meta-plots and a greater emphasis on player agency.

I like creatorS because it implicitly acknowledges to Arneson, which I think is fair.

Thoughts?

>>96801414
Lots of LBB clones don't seem to give a fuck about the existence of the other LBB clones for whatever reason. That faggoty one I can never remember the name of that was released on Itch.io and had a hidden anti-Gygax-and-Arneson screed in the endpapers was retreading the same ground.

>>96801452
>I like creatorS because it implicitly acknowledges to Arneson, which I think is fair.
Good point, that should go in

Okay, so ignoring the 3 dwarfs in a trenchcoat all glazing each other because they're actually just one guy samefagging at a snails pace, I'm going to ask the real hard hitting question that's been on my mind:
>>96799302 (OP)
What are some good 2e campaigns for me to play with my friends?

>>96801414
White box is an original and wight box tries to compile different rulesets into one. I wouldn't say one invalidates the other. People will play whatever they want at the end of the game.

>>96801452
Forgot to explain this addition:
>as intended and taught by its creators
is an important qualification because, as fishfag reminded us multiple times, and as T. Foster discussed in his famous "five points", the storyfagging approach did exist in the first decade, it's just not what we're aiming to keep alive here.

>>96801467
You really should just leave them to glazing each other. I think the lesson they need to learn, what we all need to learn really, is what a thread looks like when there's no real people in it.

>>96801452
>Thoughts?
Definitely very close. I'll suggest a minor revision, just throwing around that second paragraph a little to make it read better (IMO it feels a bit scrambled right now).
>Broadly, OSR games encourage a tonal and mechanical fidelity to Dungeons & Dragons played as intended and taught by its creators from 1974–1983 — less emphasis on linear adventures and overarching meta-plots and a greater emphasis on player agency.
I think it might just be the two of us pitching the ball back and forth right now, too, so might be a good idea to leave it here and wait for some other anons' input. What do you think?

>>96801489
In an ideal world no one would be here because we're all busy playing with our friends :)

>>96801503
It definitely flows better. I've also noticed that online dictionaries have "metaplot" without a hyphen, not "meta-plot". Also, if we use "from", we should remove the en dash and replace it with a "to", which also looks better right next to the em dash.

So, further revision:

>Welcome to the Old School Renaissance General, the thread dedicated to first decade, Gygaxian D&D, its more faithful modern clones, and content created specifically for use with them. Later editions (2e and newer) should be discussed elsewhere.

>Broadly, OSR games encourage a tonal and mechanical fidelity to Dungeons & Dragons played as intended and taught by its creators from 1974 to 1983 — less emphasis on linear adventures and overarching metaplots and a greater emphasis on player agency.

>>96801529
Yeah, nice. I like it. I think you nailed it, Anon.

>>96801529
Second that, it reads nicely

How's Curse of the Azure Bonds? Has anyone played or ran it?

>>96799868
>spoiler
Agreed. So many it seems are spineless in the face of the slightest adversity.
>>96799987
>Who hasn't wanted to do a Dwarfholm reclaimation campaign at some point?
Developing that exact campaign currently. Macris' dwarf book and Gillespie's Dwarrowdeep are my primary sources currently.

>>96799427
Nah the fishtits thread got autosaged so the inside janitor could soft delete it after outing just how fucking nutzo fishfag is and the various trolling they've been doing about a variety of things for years.

>>96801467
While I have not played it myself Council of Wyrms sound like could be fun to try out.

>>96801652
It actually does sound pretty kino. A dragon centric island setting where you can play as a dragon or a half-dragon PC.

>>96801622
>>96801652
>>96801723

2nd edition is off-topic, per our handy OP. Please read it before making off-topic posts, to help keep the thread clean.

>>96802830
Nta, but kill yourself.

>>96801459
Fantastic Medieval Campaigns. I'd be interested to hear if any anons prefer this over any other 0e clone?

>>96802830
If you had a brain you would understand that because the OP says so is retarded argument. 2e is on topic. Deal with it tardfag.

My b/x group swapped the ranged and melee phases. I kinda like the outcome so far: positioning archers takes some forward planning, plus they get to shoot before everyone engages in melee.
Has anyone else done something similiar?

>>96803204
>plus they get to shoot before everyone engages in melee.

>>96800186
>>96800326
These are really fantastic ideas.
I hope to see more magic systems like that!

>>96801414
White Box FMAG is absolutely not a 1:1 copy of the original rules

>>96803788
True. Not sure how the meme that Swords & Wizardry / White Box is 1:1 faithful to OD&D got originated. Probably a mixture of dishonest marketing and newfags not knowing any better. Irritating either way.

>>96801414
Honestly given how easy it is to get copies of the original now I'm sort of at a loss for why there need to be straight clones in the first place. I'd much prefer to see 7VoZ-style creative takes on LBB OD&D.

>>96801459
>a hidden anti-Gygax-and-Arneson screed in the endpapers
That sounds insane, what?

>>96804321
It sounds insane because it is insane. FMC was created to be a high-fidelity clone of LBB OD&D in the vein of OSE, preserving everything about the rules including ambiguities, with an open license for people to use as they pleased. It was just starting to get traction, but then it turned out that the writer was some sort of Discord tranny and had hidden a rant in the "empty" end pages about how Gygax and Arneson were colonialist fascists and the importance of taking the ruleset they invented away from them or some shit like that. So now it has no non-trooned-out users at all, basically. It doesn't seem like even Plebbit likes it. Calling Gygax a Nazi is a bridge too far even for them I guess.

>>96804606
It was released as CC-BY IIRC, so you can just change the title and the cover, remove the trans activist rant, add one attribution line, and distribute it legally. Even sell it on DTRPG if you please.

>>96804606
Absurd. Thanks for the info though.
I wish to see this rant.

>>96804705
>Even sell it on DTRPG if you please.
No, I just checked and it's CC-BY-NC-SA, so you can't sell it.

>>96804747
Okay, one can just put it up for free, then. If it's a good product otherwise, someone should do it.

>>96804727
Fucking hell, what a schizo.
They also quote the Conan movie instead of...Howard's actual work.

>>96801011
Try again later, retard
>>96801467
>>96801723
>>96801622
This is all off topic garbage but thanks for trolling us I guess

>>96804804
>>96804806
One could even ask ChatGPT to write an argument in favour of D&D being anti-racist because you have men of all colours in Greyhawk and you even have men allying with other races/species like elves, dwarves, halflings, and gnomes against the forces of evil.

I'm saying to use ChatGPT because it's a retarded endeavour that doesn't deserve more than one minute of brainpower allocation.

Where did the "combat is a fail state" meme come from?

That's just nu-SR stuff that thinks it's OSR, right?

>>96804842
Oh, no, you have just summoned the Anon who will write a 1,999 characters long rant about how it's programming jargon and therefore it's perfectly fine.

Anyway yes, that's plebbit- and youtube eceleb-tier material.

>>96804804
>As the author, I offer up this work for analysis, critique, and reflection
>As the author
lmao, stolenvalormaxxing

>>96804868
I'll just click hide on a post like that.

I'm just curious where it comes from, really. To know what leddit post or e-celeb popularised it.

>>96804842
It's just a way to say that combat in itself offers no rewards in old-school D&D and is best avoided if possible. There's no reason to get het up about it one way or the other.

>>96804893
I'm not bothered by it, anon.

>>96803074
>Says: "If you had a brain"
>posts 2e
Hey it's you, our most recognizable and characteristic troll!
Why do you only post replies that use the exact same baby-tier responses?
(Inb4 "no u, you're a peepeepoopoo head!)

>>96804893
Killing goblins is its own reward. Also it keeps them from multiplying too much and wreaking havoc on the countryside.

>>96804842
Like most "OSR Principles" it makes sense if, and only if, you're directly contrasting the game to 5th edition Dungeons & Dragons.
If you're just looking at these statements in a vacuum it's super easy to find counter-examples in the text for every one of them (The Answer Isn't Written On Your Character Sheet; Rulings Not Rules; Balance Doesn't Matter; etc)

>>96804911
Fair enough. I'm just saying I don't think it's either very NuSR nor very memey, it's just an arguably clumsy way to express something practically everyone agrees on.

>>96804919
Kek

>>96804893
>combat in itself offers no rewards in old-school D&D
WRONG
Are you retarded, o una turista o algo?

>>96799302 (OP)
I can't find any discord servers dedicated to OSR (or twitter for that matter). Where can I find an OSR community? Roll20 only?

>>96805026
Im in six different ones desu. just gotta stay active here

>>96805026
You're retarded then, you're spoiled for choice:
>D&D 1974-1983
>Mythmere Games
>CAG - Classic Adventure Gaming Podcast
>Pedantic Gaming (Prince of Nothing)
>Autarch
And if you're into plebbit OSR there's even more options that I shan't name here.

>>96804804
>>96804806
>Why yes I despise these people and all they stand for
>Won't stop me making a buck off of them though, what is communism about if not stealing from the productive, lmao
My critique is this; the writer is a Bluesky 41%'er.

>>96805096
>CAG - Classic Adventure Gaming Podcast
worthless losers who are afraid to be proud FAGs
EOTB is a gay faggot homosexuakl PTOOEY

Would there be any interest in an
>EXPERT FANTASY RPG
Which is just BFRPG with the retarded parts excised or corrected?

>>96805119
No, because BFRPG is completely worthless. You cant """fix""" it, just play BX instead.

>>96805119
>>96805119

>>96803204
>>96803204
are...are you fucking retarded or what?
see: >>96803339

did that gay FMC game do this to avoid copyright or?

>>96805242
oop picrel

>>96805242
>>96805259
As if that avoided copyright issues. Clearly not the sharpest tool in the toolshed.

>>96805259
Kek
Who even knows the mindset behind this kind of nonsense.

>>96805270
>>96805282
Im just curious. I only snagged the PDF to read the "gygax is le nazi" bit, but saw that the Balor specifically, and exclusively, gets the strikethrough on its name.
Strange!

>>96805301
Seems to me like something the Tolkien estate might want to know about.
Not that I'm suggesting snitching for a bounty anon.
I'd never suggest that ;)

>>96805259
>>96805301
My guess: just a joke, the originals ripped the Balrog off of Tolkien so this rips the Balor off of D&D.

Since the original books had the balrogs in early printings but cut them in later printings (unlike Hobbits which were retained and simply renamed to "halflings"), if you're making a retroclone with a focus on accuracy you have to decide whether to include Balrogs or cut them, I guess this is a compromise between those two positions.

>>96805320
announcing reports is a bannable offense!!!
>>96805321
Seems like a shitty half-joke if thats the case.
Very awkward considering that they dont actually explain it any point.

>>96805320
You crossed your wires Anon, "Balor" isn't copyrighted by the Tolkien estate, it's the non-copyright stand-in. (It might be a WotC copyrighted monster term now though, unsure about that.)

>>96802830
2e is on-topic because this is the Traditional Games board. You can suck my cock for all I care pal.

>>96805612
>2e is on-topic because this is the Traditional Games board.
Okay, why don't you try discussing 2e in the 5e thread on that basis then, li'l buddy.

>>96805115
this just in

>>96805628
2e was released within the 1st decade of the game and you adding your garbage to one OP is not going to convince me or anyone otherwise.
Now if you don't have anything constructive to do like discussing OSR or not seething because someone else is discussing OSR I suggest you fuck off.

>>96805612
>>96805660
lmao thats some high-level copium. did your janny app get denied or summit
>>96805638
stop spamming lmao

>>96805660
>2e was released within the 1st decade of the game
HA HA HA HA HA
Li'l man has lost it entirely, work that delulu champ

>>96805690
It's not even the first time he says it. Top left.

>>96805660
>argument crumbles the second you get pushback
also this isnt an "OSR" thread, it's /osrg/ much more narrow in scope than your usual venue, r/OSR.
Please read and acknowledge OP for what is and isnt on-topic for this thread (regardless of whether or not it's considered "osr" or not)!
Cheers!

TQ: The Hole in the Sky + the rest of the Trollopolous

>>96800186
Since magical research in ACKS starts from level 5, how would lower levels magic users learn spells?

>>96805660
>you adding your garbage to one OP is not going to convince me or anyone otherwise
NAYRT but just so you know, that's going to be in every OP forever now.

>>96805808
There's actually stats for the research abilities of lower power mages, it's just they can't use them, IIRC.
So all you have to do is create a custom class which has magical research at 1st or make it a proficiency that any class can access and bob's your uncle.

>>96804918
>gets called retarded
>proving anon right by reeeing about boogeyman
Great job fag

>>96805893
>le boogeyman

>>96805893
Hes right though, and its not a 'bogeyman', its one poster who has like, five stock phrases he uses, and gets made fun of regularly.
Why you defending lil bro so hard?

>>96804822
Your retarded butthurt about 2e being OSR is off topic garbage

>>96805928
>the boogeyman exist because I say so.

>>96805979
regardless of if it's "OSR" or not, it's off-topic for this thread, just like shadowdark is off-topic for this thread, /osrg/, despite being """OSR""".
This has been explained to you countless times :)
Also, >>96804918 you are the person in question here lmao

>>96805999
Yeah, for people with basic pattern recognition, seeing the same handful of characteristic phrases being used ad nauseum in response to particular posts, makes it clear that this is one particular poster with very limited language skills, likely ESL.

>>96806025
>very limited language skills
And an oddly strong opinion on the works of William Hope Hodgson for some reason.
Which is a very strange combination when you think about it.

>>96806036
>William Hope Hodgson
Im not sure what you mean by this. What context am I missing?

>>96806003
Yes, you explained to everyone that like you shit up the thread and drool all over your keyboard.

>>96806046
Last thread someone noticed that Fishfags various habits and mannerisms are the exact mirror of another infamous troll called Nightlandsfag who goes off whenever anyone mentions a fairly well respected novel by the aforementioned author Night Lands, which was a major influence on H P Lovecraft.
Naturally pointing this out resulted in a confirmational melty which everyone took as proof they're the same person.

>>96806068
lmao, there he is!
This time, mentions something about my brain, or my mom, those are your classics!

>>96806068
that doesnt even make any sense in this context. he was right, you really are a retarded ESL lmao

>>96806025
The same is said about all the other boogeymen retards in /tg/ cry about.
>>96806046
Some stupid theory >>96795829 that is the new thing to shit up the thread with.

>>96806082
ah, i get it! i read those posts. what a genuinely deranged peabrain. is fishfag also the guy being called out >>96804918 here?

>>96806131
you sound like youre taking this quite personally

>>96806135
Yep, same chap. Watch now as he calls us the same person, raves about ACKS, proclaims lordly that any story he personally doesn't like (Due to being a low brow ESL) is boring and projects all his mental issues onto us.

Currently he's also over in /NSR/ claiming that someone wrote a fake 200 page campaign (Which, I might note, was posted here without any fanfare or mention of him) for the express purpose of targeted harassment against him.

That sounds insane right? Like I'm making it up.
Go check.

>>96806086
No, you do to that. Stop being lazy.
>>96806110
Read the post again without dicks hitting your dumb face
>retarded ESL lmao
Nice projection

I backed treasure tome but the new elf book seems pretty useless.
Do you guys think the treasure tome will be used beyond ACKS?

>>96806147
>>96806147
See >>96797422 if you look at the threads and think about it you see that dumbasses like >>96806165 making shit up because otherwise they would have to deal with the fact they don't speak for everyone in /osrg/

>>96806198
If nothing else the mechanics for advancing magic items could be the basis of an entire unique setting.
Imagine a campaign where magic items aren't bought, they're made through use, drinking the life force of the things you fight and becoming as legendary as the characters who wield them.

>>96806165
>Which, I might note, was posted here without any fanfare or mention of him
This is the real killer point, AzteCKS didn't even allude to being the guy who wrote the fish story IIRC. Other anons realized it was him when they read the play report and found the episode in there. Yet Fishfag is convinced that the whole thing was a fabrication to attack him specifically. That's an actual persecutory delusion right there.

>>96806198
>Do you guys think the treasure tome will be used beyond ACKS?
Honestly I doubt it. Not because of quality or anything like that (I haven't read it), just because rules supplements very rarely seem to reach escape velocity from their own systems.

>>96806275
I'm fairly sure they'd posted other details of it before in passing. Let me see if I can find the post I'm kind of remembering in the archives;
After a look it's pretty clear the guy was posting about his campaign for at least a year before he posted the write up:
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/93281355/#93305835
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/94514217/#94518721
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/94451498/#94452803
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/95551347/#95572434
Not just in OSRG either - https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/93504365/#93504796
In fact the first mention of it isn't in OSRG at all - https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/93133530/#93135615
So, his conspiracy is that someone spent over a year doing guerrilla marketing on a free to read campaign write up, which they then fully admitted to half-assing by the end because they had other shit to do - https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96417397/#96439366
And they did this for the express purpose of fucking with him personally.
Only to then fail to mention that the fishing story was in there.
Which is apparently a more reasonable position in his eyes than "Guess I was wrong, people do play ACKS, kinda gay IMHO but you do you, lol."
Pride is a hell of a drug.

>>96806417
>Pride is a hell of a drug.
>Pride
I genuinely don't think it can be mere pride. I'm convinced at this point that the dude is gravely ill.

>>96806174
why does every post you make read like the insults some seething edgy teen would make?
>hurr dicks hit ur face
>hurr ur mom
>hurr nou
>hurr ur dumb
>hurr u no have brain
its fuckin tiresome, ESL-kun

>>96806205
nah, NTA but I agree with them completely. If they werent onto something, why would you take it so personally?

>>96806458
Sound like you problem, retard.

>>96806485
So you did not read anything and just rolled your stupid face on your keyboard?

>>96806487
>I shit my pants to own the trolls, hehe!
enjoy ig
>>96806502
>peepeepoopoo u dumb me smart
Get some new material, ya goof

>>96806417
Lmao good catch, I'd never thought about that but your collected evidence is very clear. Surely it's all just an extreme shill op though, the guy's being paid a full time wage by Macris to advertise is campaign on fucking /tg/! Lmao

>>96806417
Know the really funny thing though?
If this were some grand, crazy conspiracy to try and sell ACKS to the thread (Not that anyone needs to, after all most people here range from apathetic to just palming shit from it with the usual hardliners at either end of the bell curve) then they did a piss poor job of it. Doubly so for someone who'd apparently been lurking for over a year by that point.
It's got all kinds of quirky, heretical shit in it that risked turning the thread against it and resulting in an immediate "I'm not reading your gay FOEshit campaign, fuck off retard".
Guns, fate points, their own custom magic system, them outright admitting that they solo because they're a foreverDM and that the entire campaign was an experiment to see if oracles would make an osr game cooler. It frontloads that stuff as well mind you.
If you wanted to make a Product to try and shill then why would it be packed full of house rules and them going "This was bullshit and it didn't work for me so I threw it out and went fuck it we ball instead"?
I mean for fuck sake you'd at least finish it before posting it wouldn't you?
Same as the fish story itself, it's just a "Yeah this happened, here's how it panned out, later."
It must be infuriating for fishfag, trying to claim that the other guy really, really totes cares and is absolutely seething over him calling the whole thing boring to the point where he's engaging in Illuminati shit to protect his ego, when the reality is AzteCKS DM just threw it out there with a "Not even finished it yet, here's as far as I could be assed doing, hope you like it, lel."

>he's degenerated into the "stupid retard" posting style
Reminder that awhile back this exact tenor of shitposting was proven to be present in the general 5+ years ago.

>>96806555
qrd?

>its OSR!
>its not OSR!
forget OSR, this is a FAG thread!

>>96806572
Can't be bothered to find the source post right now for RL reasons but the gist of it is that those asshurt one-line seetheposts with a formulaic insult and no actual arguments of any kind, used as a response to him being contradicted with proof and reason, have been seen in the general for several years and are the telltale signature of one, single guy who is persistently trolling the thread: the 2efag, now also known as Fishfag.

>>96806534
I probably missed some given I just did a few of the key phrases that kind of made sense. But yeah, it's pretty definitive.

>>96806603
Yeah, I've seen the exact same thing, and I agree with you.

>>96806620
Yeah I didn't take it to be a complete record of every single instance of AzteCKS alluding to his game, just, as you say, a selection showing the point clearly enough to be definitive.

>>96806603
>the 2efag, now also known as Fishfag.
Think we can get him to do a cover of Purple Rain? If he's going to be changing his name like this I mean.

>>96804842
>That's just nu-SR stuff that thinks it's OSR, right?
not at all.
"combat is a fail state" was one of those knee jerk phrases people came up with in the early OSR blog days to separate earlier editions from 3/4e where combat and builds became the whole point of the game.
most people don't use it anymore because they realized that it's a pretty inaccurate way to say the intent behind it - combat is deadly, you don't have to hack and slash your way through every encounter, if you can set traps or negotiate or do something to mitigate risk do it, etc.

>>96806603
>>96806622
The funny thing is, he almost certainly doesn't even play 2e. There was a brief period (a few weeks) where every time he showed up in the thread an anon would ask him why exactly he *wanted* 2e to be on-topic here, given that everyone else is apathetic or hostile to it, and that he himself never, ever says anything at all about it – like, what was he losing by his particular game not being welcome here? – and he couldn't answer. He never even tried to respond to those posts with an angry oneliner. It's just an idée fixe for him, it HAS to be on-topic because that's the only thing that can scratch his Tourette's itch or something.

>>96806662
Kek

>>96806525
>I shit my pants to own the trolls, hehe!
>peepeepoopoo u dumb me smart
Yeah that sounds like your posts.

>>96806690
>he almost certainly doesn't even play 2e
Pretty much, any time anyone actually talks about the finer details of any of the 2e settings he always outs himself almost immediately as knowing sweet fanny adams about it.
I mean fuck, he didn't even know that Raistlin was a player character and even I knew that despite having never even seen a Dragonlance campaign book or novel, let alone read one.

>>96806696
Hue. So how does everyone here feel about being dead anyway? Where my white liches at?
Can we call the next thread 'Necrocracy edition'?

>>96806690
>>96806726
>all posts about 2e is from the same anon because I can't comprehend that more than one person can disagree with me

>>96806763
Lmao look how transparent that attempt to avoid engaging with knockdown proof is. Unbelievably desperate.

>>96806784
Okay, so why *do* you, personally, want 2e to be n topic in this thread? What is it you're losing by your particular preferred edition not being welcome here? What is it that you can't discuss by, for example, making a /tg/thread of your own, which anyone can do, at any time?

>>96804868
You're still mad about that? Jeez, man, I'm sorry I made you read, and learn a fact I guess, okay?

>>96804842
It's trying to say something that's true, it's just not saying it particularly well because it's trying to compare to later editions.
A better description would be "The world having you by the balls is a fail state."

Modern campaigns expect you to be purely reactive and just stumble drunkenly from one encounter to the next on the stories terms.
OSR expects you to grab the setting by the lapels, tap the back of its favourite head up against the wall and tell it to give you its wallet. You have to be proactive, you can't just wait for it to get the jump on you.

Failing to do so means higher risks, rather than being you virtuously going along with the GMs intended path like a good little sheep being herded into the pen ala later editions.

>>96806795
I want to be able to talk about stuff was added in 2e or make use of 2e stuff without retards throwing a hissy fit. If you don't want to talk about 2e that fine but let those who want to do so. It does not really come up that often outside of shitfits so making its own thread does not make sense.

>>96806709
Are you *ever* capable of any reply other than
>no u, peepeepoopoo!
???
Fucking ESL retard

>>96807040
>trying to rationalize with the irrational

>>96806890
>A better description would be "The world having you by the balls is a fail state."
I'm going to annoy that guy by correcting you: that's not a "fail state," a fail state means something closer to "backup plan," it's what your program does to handle the case when you are unable to do the preferred thing. "We tried X, it didn't work, now we try Y." X failed, so we enter a new code path to handle that failure by doing Y.

>>96807074
Said the retard spamming ESL retard and peepeepoopoo!

>>96807040
>I want to be able to talk about stuff was added in 2e or make use of 2e stuff without retards throwing a hissy fit
You can make a thread for that, it's not illegal.

>>96807198
>reading all of a post is hard.

>>96807210
Seriously, why do you want to force people who don't want to talk about 2e with you to talk about 2e with you, when you can just make a thread about 2e and talk about it with people who are interested?

>>96807135
Alright, "The world having you by the balls is meant to be the exception, rather than the norm"
Or maybe "Players should strive to be in control of the situation rather than reacting to it"?

>>96807264
If reading posts is too hard for you then this hobby is not for you.

>>96807308
>"Players should strive to be in control of the situation rather than reacting to it"?
That's pretty accurate for OSR. I think what "combat is a fail state" is getting at is "Fighting things is not what you're here to do"

>>96807310
>Oh no, I can't answer the question?
>I know, I'll reuse something that somebody said to shut me up before
>maybe he won't notice that I dodged the question

>>96807508
I answer in the post you are upset about for some stupid reason. You just fail at reading.

>>96807389
nta
The focus being on getting the loot and getting away is important, but sometimes that actually does involve combat. Its about approaching combat as a dangerous and less predictable state so stacking it in your favour in as many ways as possible is key.
My limited understanding of failstate, even for applying the computer language meaning, still doesn't really work. It temporarily suspends non-combat movement and exploration, but doesn't mean it can't be resumed.

>>96807658
No, you don't answer. Why don't you make a 2e thread?

>>96807884
Please select a random OSR game and make a general exclusively for it.

>>96807141
Calling you by your categorical definition seems to offend you, and yet you *never* deny it.
What country are you from?
>>96807040
so make a thread?

>>96807389
>"Fighting things is not what you're here to do"
In a fantastic medieval WARGAME campaign.
Right.
FOEGYG and go back to plebbit.

>>96807924
>Please select a random OSR game and make a general exclusively for it.
There was an entire ACKS general that ran to autosage recently. So that's a fuck-all argument right there.

>>96807968
You mean the one that was 90% people shitting on it and a few people crying "fishfag" over and over again?

>>96808029
It also didn't actually hit autosage.

>>96808029
>>96808057
How embarrassing.

>>96807966
The label on the tin doesn't change the rules inside, my man. Your goal is to get treasure, "looking for things to fight" is the wrong mindset. You should be looking for treasures to loot, and there may be fighting along the way in order to get them, but the fighting is not the goal, the treasure is.

>>96808078
Why dont you make a 2e thread, really?

>>96807884
>fail at reading
>say someone is not answering a question.
Great job dumbass.
>>96807948
You think that because your head is full of B.O

At this point one of the most enjoyable things about the osrg experience is going back through the archives and reading insults that have been lain at the feet of a certain poster
>Funny how every time your worthless ass turns up I can point to the archive and your previous posts, meanwhile all you can do is attempt to will reality into existence using the Odinwords of the Discordvulk.
10/10

>>96807966
Can we at least agree most osr protagonists should have this kind of energy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz4P6CGpx1c ?

Quick write-up of my group's last AD&D1e game:

>One of the party members catches word that a "Landshark" was terrorizing the roads south of town
>Party was riding high on some recent successes, so they decide they're up to the task
>Arrive to find a bunch of livestock and a few soldiers torn to shreds, start to think they might've fucked up going after this thing
>Cleric gets it in his mind that if they're gonna die, might as well go out drunk, starts pounding liquor and uses himself as bait, which works better than expected, barely gets back to party before the Bulette is upon them all
>By the end of the fight the fighter, his horse and the cleric are at 1hp, other cleric is at 3hp, and the magic users are out of spells, but they managed to kill it.

If not for low monster damage rolls and some god tier hit/damage roll luck from the fighter, they would've been fucked and they know it. It's been fun watching them learn.

>>96808202
>nou ur head peepeepoopoo
holy fuck, you really just a broken chatbot, arent you?
Either that or you really *are* some seething third worlder ESL

>>96808202
Make a 2e thread, you low IQ subhuman ESL retard

>>96809074
>>96809117
>t. retards who can't read or think.

>>96809161
No, they just disagree with you and think you're a shithead.
"I sometimes take bits or ideas from 2E so it's thread relevant!"
Oh yeah? I sometimes include Hag prostitutes in my campaigns so your mum is now thread relevant is she?

>>96809161
must be embarrassing being such an ESL that youre recognizable to the point of immediate identification and mockery.

>>96809177
NTA, bu you really suck at banter.
You overcomplicated a yo momma joke and put the punchline in the wrong spot.

If you can't actually banter properly while you shitpost, don't even bother with the attempt. It saves everyone, including your side, from severe second-hand cringe.

>>96809231
>NTA, bu you really suck at banter.
have you not seen the guy ITT that posts nothing but angry childish one-liners?

>>96809231
Yep, this thread is full of terrible assholes who'll mock you at every turn.
You really should go somewhere nicer. Reddit is lovely this time of year or so I've heard.

>>96809314
How would you know? Aren't you banned from there?

>>96809314
>Reddit is lovely
uh, good for you?

>>96809329
>Still deflecting from the reality that he's unwelcome here.
Then again like most lepers you're probably unwelcome in most places. Even if your disease is mental rather than visually identifiable.

>>96809360
Weren't you just told about your cringey attempts at banter?

Also, for guys who keep getting banned everywhere they go, including here that you had to ban evade, you really have strange ideas of who's unwelcome where.

>>96809386
Fortunately for the rest of us you have no power outside of whining, while you might believe in solipsism, the rest of us have free will and you will never, ever be a Janny.
Still, seethe harder if you like, I'm sure there's people in the back row that still have their hearing.

>>96809432
You seem to really be counting on your "powers" of obsessive autism and shameless obnoxious behaviour in order to try to get things your way.

...I almost hate to spoil the inevitable ending.

fedora unc ahh thread

>>96808557
Just looking at the entry in the MM, did your Bulette do the jumping thing? Did the party attack it's weak spots?
Would attacking the eyes be at a penalty to hit or something?
How do y

>>96807968
the one which was filled with AI generated play reports and never came back?
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96615790/#q96616505
lol
yes, what a fucking joke

>>96800885
It’s in the Companion rules
ACKS basically takes those and squashed them into levels 1-14.

>>96807135
>a fail state means something closer to "backup plan," it's what your program does to handle the case when you are unable to do the preferred thing
Wait, but so... in that case combat IS a fail state? In that it's what you do to handle an enemy when you couldn't do the preferred thing of sneaking, persuading, or zapping them from a safe distance?

>>96809860
Yes, that's why the meme is innocuous if you know what it's saying. The problem comes from people misunderstanding, which is why the phrase should have been worded differently in that primer thingy.

>>96809177
It just sounds like you have a dong where brain should be.
>>96809200
Or maybe you are just a retard who crying about a boogeyman

>>96809254
The irony you saying when this >>96809177 exists.

>>96809895
Oh, I see! I misunderstood what argument you were making, sorry.

>>96809926
>seething, malding, coping

>>96809959
>t. tarding and faggotry.

>>96809754
Never happened fucking lying piece of shit

>>96808180
Absolutely wrong. The game was created to facilitate chainmail fights with miniatures under the framework of a story. The GM sets up tactical battles, puzzles, and the like and the players solve them for treasure and experience.
People aren't there for the immaterial "treasure" on paper, they're there for the fights.

>>96810294
That's not what the rules say, nor what they do at the table.

>>96810319
Just because you can theatre of the mind it, that doesn't invalidate what the game was created to accomplish. If combat isn't important why have structured rules for it? Just LARP it or choose a more appropriate narrative forward system instead of a dungeon crawler,

>>96808557
>everyone is at 1HP and out of spells

A most successful game, anon.

>>96810400
>If combat isn't important why have structured rules for it?
Because it's very high stakes and players need more control? That doesn't mean that you're supposed to go out looking for fights. Look at the piddly XP rewards, those are what tell players what the game is about, not the existence of rules for adjudicating things.

>>96810973
You're bad at playing the game.
You're suppose to be looking for fights you can win that lead to treasure, avoiding fights you can't or that don't lead to treasure, and if you can bypass some of the fights that's good. But its an inevitable part of playing the game that combat will occurs, smart players try to have it occur on their terms.

>>96810973
Slaying your enemies is always fun.
Running away from them is rarely ever satisfying long-term.

This about sums it up for me.

>>96811672
>But its an inevitable part of playing the game that combat will occurs
Literally nobody said otherwise. It's just that the rules of the game mean that parties that deliberately seek out combat will do worse than parties that only choose combat when necessary or the odds are sufficiently in their favor to justify the risk.
"D&D is about combat" is a meme that's only mostly true in later editions. It's just as much about exploration and interaction, it's a fantasy adventure game, not a wargame.

>>96811720
>It's just as much
*Real D&D is just as much

>>96811720
You are suppose to look for fights you can win.
Some of d&d, lots honestly, is about combat. There's more going on at the same time which makes it quite interesting in combination, but its fucking retarded to pretend its not a significant part of it.

>>96811905
>You are suppose to look for fights you can win.
So that you can gain treasure and level up, duh. Fights are a tool to be employed on your adventure, not the reason for playing. Nobody said it's not a significant part of the game, either.
>Real D&D is as much about exploration and interaction
>[as it is about fighting]

This general is worthless.

>>96811943
I will say this.
This general was becoming bad.
But I never ever thought it would get THIS bad.

>>96809556
It opened with the jumping attack, but miraculously did min damage for 2 of the hits, and the horse tanked the big chomp.
Nobody went after the eyes, but the fighter managed to get the killing blow while going after the weak point.

1:1 time tracking seems to suit a game that happens weekly. Am I foolish to use 1:2 (game:irl) for a fortnightly game?
We are playing session 2 tomorrow, and I'd rather it not have been 2 weeks since their first adventure, 1 is plenty to account for healing, and I feel funny about demanding the characters pay 2 weeks room & board for no real reason.

>>96812071
Yes, if that works for you then, by all means. 1:1 is only suggested in the DMG as "best" to use "when no play is happening." If 1:2 would work better for your table, then the situation makes an alternative time rate the best for you.

>>96812049
Was it easy to telegraph to the players they should aim for the weak spot?
The monster design doesn't really make sense to me... When in danger it chooses to become more vulnerable?

>>96810292
>something that literally happened
>it never happened
and that's why no one likes ackshills
I mean I linked the post with the scan screenshots and there are plenty more there as well
and if in doubt anyone can easily verify scan results for himself
>inb4 ackshill will find one greentext that doesn't make the scanners go *ting* and claim that there are no AI generated greentexts by the power of extrapolation based on one point
sure go ahead, more people need to see your damage control methods in action

>>96812412
Which of the following is more likely:
>Some non-existent cabal of ACKS shills hired by the ACKSluminati started a general to shill their game then were lazy enough to not even make up the stories, then the supreme detective work of a heroic Monk-impressionist reveals the truth
Or
>Retard that we know has a chip on his shoulder about ACKS who we know exists and is on the board sees a thread about the thing that makes him the big mad and decides to shit it up the same way he shits up every thread where ACKS is mentioned, just in a new way by making fake stories then immediately going "They're faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaakes" because he's got the self-control of a toddler
As a side note:
>Damage control
You keep using this word and I agree, that is what these threads have become; because you are damaged and you have to be tard wrangled to control you.

I am a random stranger. I have 2 questions.
1. What is the opposite and/or inverse of O.S.R.?
2. Are there any monster-battling O.S.R. games?

>>96812426
>Which of the following [two options I made up and confine your choice to] is more likely
how about the option of
>a deranged schizo egomaniac ackshill
>who is known to throw tantrums, samefag like crazy while accusing literally anyone who happens to either like 2e, or dislike acks, or <insert some unrelated shit here> of samefagging as one particular personal nemesis, ban-evade and phone-post
>being tired of jokes about no one playing acks
>on a personal jihad makes a new thread to prove all those haters [sorry that one samefagging hater ofc] wrong
>and being a fan of a book with AI slop included relies on AI tools to do the work for him
sounds like the most plausible case ngl

PS
also the falseflag theory doesn't hold since the thread was immediately filled fits-throwing acks fans who plainly denied the greentexts are AI generated
it's all in the thread and verifiable

>>96812521
1. Strange question, like asking "what's the opposite of soccer?" I don't know how to answer that. OSR is a specific kind of game
2. Not that I'm aware of, the OSR works best for pulp fantasy, you probably want a different system more suited to monster battling anime tropes

Don't mind our resident schizo, he's butthurt because he outed himself as the infamous Nightlands fag the other day

>>96811943
>This general is worthless
It's hard to disagree. Every time I ask a question or share a story, I just get bombarded with abuse. There's a lot of fart-huffing in the OSR community. The nogames thing is a meme, but it does feel particularly applicable in the OSR general. I rarely get the impression that anyone here plays fucking tables, people just want to scream about systems and hypothetical situations.

>>96812539
>Here's another option;
>Gives option 1 again but puts retard salt on it
Do try and behave yourself for once
In other news;
>He's now picked up Jihad as his new word of the week because other people have been calling his spergouts that one
For someone who claims the osrg banter game is weak you sure do spend a lot of time stealing shit, lel.

>>96811943
>>96811952
Be the change you want to see then. Bitching about it being bad isn't going to help in recovery.

>>96812521
>What is the opposite and/or inverse of O.S.R.?
Hickman-style D&D, as expressed in the second, third, and fifth editions.

>>96812207
>When in danger it chooses to become more vulnerable?
Presumably it's not meant to reflect a detached tactical decision but an animal threat display, like birds puffing up their feathers to make themselves look bigger. A lot of this type of ecological shit is left implied in the MM (and then made subject of long Dragon articles), but bulettes are pretty big and it's not hard to imagine them lacking natural predators and developing something like that primarily as an intraspecies competition trait.

>>96811943
>>96811952
>at a loss for better options, the troll attempts to samefag unspecific negativity

>>96812071
As Anon says, that's fine. If anything, 1:1 time was designed for a game with shorter intervals between sessions (and tons of participants). You can put the time ratio at whatever you like, or just (blasphemy, kek) skip this aspect of play. Strict time tracking can be accomplished without 1:1 or any other fixed ratio of game time to real time, and should always be fitted to theneeds of your particular game.

>>96811940
They're interrelated rather than separable. You're trying to make a single point answer for a contextual relation. You'll probably never figure this one out.
Fuck it, even if we ignore combat xp, there are still reasons outside of treasure to attack under favourable conditions.
>unfriendly faction
>area access
>chaotic monsters bad
>bad reaction roll
>need prisoners to interrogate about dungeon
>has non-treasure related item of interest
You're being wilfully obtuse to try and say everything is just X so you can keep parading around a simple answer. Its not.

>>96812539
Just taking all the things fishfag has been doing and labelling it your new boogyman doesn't work when we've seen you do the same shit repeatedly.

>>96812426
>non-existant
You got caught and banned from Reddit.

>>96812412
i love ackshills, AND i love acks!

>>96812521
1. AD&D2e storyfagging
2. Yeah, OD&D, BX, and AD&D
That being said, FOE GYG

>>96814058
acks is banned from reddit because people like you cry that he's a """nazi""". If this were true id have actually given him money.

Imagine believing that acks is forbidden from even being MENTIONED, because it was being 'shilled', and not because it offended the tranny jannies of r/OSR (pride-flag edition)
lol, lmao

>>96814323
That's really just the lie you're stuck telling.

I don't know why you think anyone would believe you; you're just saying the thing you would need to try and say if you did get banned from Reddit for brigading.
Remember: Other far more overtly contoversial games were not banned, and ACKS also came out a decade before it got banned during the brigading efforts done during the ACKS2 kickstarter. There's plenty of evidence, ranging from sock puppet accounts, testimonials from reddit users who witnessed the brigading, demonstrations of thread/vote manipulation, and even the dead carcass of r/autarch that indicates that the ACKS fans' presence in places they could advertise the game rather than discuss it was incredibly lopsided.

And, then there's your activity here, which the board has noticed, particularly because of how incredibly unnatural it is.

For the love of God, stop engaging with Fishfag as if he's receptive to argumentation. He's not. Either ignore his ramblings or mock him.

GAZE ATTACKS, how do (You) run them?

A. You are gazed if you are surprised, and if you later do not avert your eyes

B. Gaze has a chance of affecting you based on creature size (per MM2)

C. Gaze is used actively like a spell, affecting one (or all?) creatures in eye contact.

Over the years ive seen all three used.

>>96814735
Now you just look like a guy performing damage control after getting BTFO, and in your classic "addressing an imaginary crowd that clearly agrees with me, while attacking the lone person who doesn't" style that really only seems to work in your mind, judging by how much backlash your efforts have generated across this board.

I think it's an excellent case of the more you try to decieve people, the less reality conforms to your lies.

>>96814705
>ACKS was brigaded so hard that it was made illegal to even mention, meanwhile, they dont mind that shadowdark was astroturfed and spammed for months! :D
>it couldnt at all be that the reactionary delicate trannies who call macris a nazi banned his game for him being a nazi!
ur a funee lil guy

>>96814796
No that's different, the crime is "Brigading while being evil"
Brigading while being heckin' wholesomechungusdoubleplusgood is entirely allowed.

>>96814705
>>96814705
lol
r/ The OSR/ comments/ 17nftps/ accusations_of_acks_brigading_from_rosr_and_rrpg/
(inb4 "ACKSHILLS WROTE THAT TO TROLL ME REEEE!")

please post ANY shred of evidence that acks was banned for 'brigading', please.

>>96814323
>acks is banned from reddit
>meanwhile https://www.reddit.com/r/Autarch/
liar liar pants on fire

>>96814823
Let me gaze into my crystal ball. He's now going to post a slew of random reddit accounts that are totes proof he's 100% right and that it was a huge brigade.
Anyone claiming that this is retarded conspiracy scrapboarding and asking questions like "How the fuck did you even find these?", "Why were you looking for them" and "Are you actually autistic?" is clearly in on it.

>>96814771
>damage control damage control damage control
It's funny that you started repeating this after getting roundly humiliated and laughed at for your feeble attempts at damage control after being revealed as a boardwide lunatic. It almost makes me think you really are a bot, the way you pick up arguments and even terms and phrases used against you and use them parrot-fashion.

>>96814705
>tells blatant lies after being called out
>immediately accuses others of lying
are you hebrew by any chance?

>>96814823
we've been over this
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96607787/#q96651655
you can find more yourself
links to accounts that were silent/non existent before the brigading started and who went immediately silent when akcs was banned from r/osr
etc.

>>96814829
from the largest osr community on reddit you fuckwit. are you new here or just trolling for funsies?

>>96814861
that's the point
was it the case you are arguing for the entire thing would have been banned across entire plebbit
yet it isn't
and yes, Macris is a pledditor
like full stop

>>96814796
Judging by the kickstarter numbers?

>SD: 13k
>ACKS2: 2k

It's really weird how all the numbers we can gather about the size of the ACKS group indicate is that it is very, very small.

>>96814766
Broadly I would say a combination of A and C, but the thing about gaze attacks is that they cover everything from "deadly rays emitted by the eyes" to "horrible appearance petrifies those who look at the creature", so fundamentally I expect the monster entry to give the exact rules. Which they normally do in the MM; compare the Catoblepas and Medusa for instance.

>>96814852
>>96814853
This isn't working for you.

>>96814853
a racist beaner
oh the irony

>He's got the entire thread talking about what he wants to talk about again
You can tell this retard is getting off on it. If we were physically in person he'd be giggle-spluttering out his bullshit ACKS conspiracy theories and reddit bullshit through hands firmly wrapped around his throat with a smirk and a hard on.
As much as I enjoy denigrating him for being a subhuman, surely we have other things we can talk about?

>>96814922
You're completely right, so how about responding to Anon's query about gaze attacks?

>>96814947
Shall do;

>>96814766
Personally, A. It's not magic, it's just a thing that happens, then again I've never had such things interact with anti-magic so hard call, I'd probably rule they're non-magic for the most part, an inherent part of the creature.
Otherwise it opens a big can of particularly unpleasant worms about "So how far does that go exactly?"

>>96814860
nah, that was debunked and youre a tranny
>>96814884
>acks small!
okay?
>>96814902
patinkin *jewish* ya goof
>>96814894
stop samefagging

>>96814966
>It's not magic
Isnt it though?

>>96814922
Why do you think you can just wish for a platform to appear beneath you, and everyone will pretend it exists?

You're ignoring how badly you've been flogged all around this board, all while trying to say "no, it's the people who are flogging me, who is actually only one person, that is actually the one being ridiculed."

You always try to act like your narrative is the reality, regardless of the actual reality around you. No amount of obvious samefagging/brigading will ever be enough to fool this board, and the irony is that the more you do it, the more obvious it becomes.

This isn't me mocking you, though you do deserve to be mocked. This is me telling you that your efforts are backfiring tremendously, and you really would do yourself a favor if you took a moment and seperated yourself from the lies you keep trying to tell everyone and actually tried seeing what you look like.

Would you even listen to someone like you?

>>96814971
>nah, that was debunked
saying on repeat
>no, you are wrong, I'm right
is not debunking, it's being in denial
glad I could help you expand your vocabulary

>>96814766
I use the following, based on the clarification sources listed.

>>96815059
same, its the most sensical imo, and im also just a big fan of mm2
>>96815032
favorite acks class? favorite acks kickstarter?

>>96814971
>okay?
When a very small group has an outsized presence, people take notice. It's why when a demonstrably popular game like Shadowdark gets promoted, people don't think much about it, but when a game like ACKS is heavily promoted, people second-guess the promotions. And, when those promotions come from people with all the social graces of starving mosquitos, it's actually kind of insulting that they think they can trick people.

We're talking about people who got caught brigading (a dishonest and shameless activity) and trying to lie about getting caught brigading (once again, dishonest and shameless). And now, we've got even more dishonest and shameless behavior, and everyone is just supposed to ignore the obvious conclusion?

Maybe try erring on the side of honesty next place you try to do this? The lying game is not your strong suit if even Reddit can catch on to it.

>>96815101
nah, i dont care. At this point i just enjoy antagonizing you. ACKS is based and youre not getting rid of it.
(screenshot this so you can brag about it later)

>>96815116
You're kind of lying all over the place here.
You do care. A lot, apparently.
No, you're not antagonizing any specific individual.
ACKS is pretty mediocre (at best) and even if it was good would only appeal to a very niche group within an already niche genre in a niche market.
And no one is trying to get rid of ACKS. What people are complaining about is you and your behavior. ACKS isn't even the entirety of your manic obsessions, as you routinely make known to everyone.

>>96815241
okay? i dont care if its mediocre, you do. what games do you actually play?
favorite acks class btw?

>>96815241
>your game BAD
so dont play it, dont talk about it. but ya doesnt have to piss ur pants about it!

new thread

>>96815556
>>96815556
>>96815556

>>96815562
Yet another hijack thread. Can someone make a real one carrying over our new consensus OP?

>>96815616
I'm sorry, I wasn't aware only a dedicated anon is allowed to continue a general on this anonymous board

do you need mod permissions or something?

>>96815562
troll thread. you know what to do

>>96815662
>muh playing innocent
Given that you made the new thread way, way too early, trying to pretend you don't know exactly what you're doing is faggotry of the highest order. Shame about you being revealed as a crazed schizo but you won't live it down this way, RIP

>>96815562
>page five
>anons still posting
>"HURR LET ME MAKE A NEW BREAAAAAAD"

Sorry about a page 5 new thread with a weak thread question, but there was a need to hurry thanks to the hijacker.

Actual non-hijacking new thread:

>>96815749
>>96815749
>>96815749

Please report the other one for trolling.

>>96815562
Actually pathetic.

>>96814860
>I've spammed this nonsens before
>debunked
You did learn to imitate your betters by linking to the archive but your reading comprehension and gaslighting is still awful.

>>96814829
>Twelve posts (replies included) in the last month
>Half of them are from the same person.
Wew. Yeah there was definitely some brigading going on if the plebbit jannies took notice of this.

Are there any good non-primary sources (JG, Bat in the Attic, Wilderness Hexplore) on the Wilderlands? I would like to become more familiar with how campaigning in it looked like etc., could anyone help an anon out and point to some sources? Blogs, videos, anything would be of help

>>96815562
Troll hijacking thread. The authentic /osrg/ thread is here:
>>96815749
>>96815749
>>96815749

>>96814902
thats a jew playing a spaniard you fucking bozo