Thread 96800673

I actually think marinewank, to a certain extent, is completely reasonable. They're supposed to be near the best of the best of what humanity can create, fighting for centuries, with a creation process that has an ultra low survival rate and requires a fuckzillion man hours of effort and mountains of resources, they're so rare relative to the size of the setting some places regard them as myths, a single company is supposed to be enough to pacify a whole fucking planet, etc.
Going through the insane amount of effort it takes to create, arm, and deploy a space marine just for them to regularly get bodied by a random nob or a pack of cultists with looted bolters is too retarded and unbelievable even for warhammer.
That being said I still think they get way too much attention over the other factions, which is something I'm sure we can all agree on.

It helps that most of the factions they're fighting have mostly chaff to throw at them. Orks are big and strong, but retarded and primitive and can't shoot worth a damn. Necrons are tough and have powerful weapons, but 99% of them are just robots following the most basic of programming that can be easily accounted for except when directly controlled by a commander. Cultists and Guardsmen are badly equipped and poorly trained.

The only factions that the Space Marines should be performing poorly against are the Eldar (who are far less able to replace their manpower than Marines are and thus can't afford a war of attrition) and the Tau (who instead have a general weakness against Daemons instead).

>>96800740
Marinewank wouldn't be nearly as bad if a squad of Aspect Warriors was seen as an even fight for a squad of marines.
But instead you get stories where marines supposedly clear out entire craftworlds, or otherwise just punch massively above their weight class for no real reason. Especially when you then go over to the tabletop and marines are only mildly more durable than most infantry.

Tau are often the only faction that ever seems to give marines a run for their money because Tau plot armor is even stronger. But it's not as if people think less of marines for not surviving railgun fire from a mile away or stomped on by a titan.

>>96800891
Eh, there are still very retarded moments with marines and the Tau (Cato Sicarius and 100 marines somehow managing to occupy a force of 1 million Tau comes to mind).

>>96800740
I try not to join in on the tau hate but holy fuck their writing makes marinewank seem fair and unbiased.
>"oh dear god, those titans the imperium was talking about are real, theres a 10,000 year old walking mountain of artillery approaching us, basically an atmosphere bound warship, what do we do?"
>"hmm, lets just blast it with the railgun on this common tank here, magically penetrates all of its shields and armor and one shots it, all done ;)"
Fuck you.
They're the "hopeless underdogs" who win 90% of their engagements and effortlessly tear through other factions best units like paper. Its a shame because they're conceptually pretty cool and they have tons of nice designs, they just need writers who aren't mentally 14.

>>96800993
That was retconned into being a tiger shark squadron that took out the tank tbf

>>96801001
*took out the titan

>>96800673 (OP)
>Going through the insane amount of effort it takes to create, arm, and deploy a space marine just for them to regularly get bodied by a random nob or a pack of cultists with looted bolters is too retarded and unbelievable even for warhammer.
They should, after some resistance, still get bodied by those things when they engage them in a stand-up fair fight.

They don't pacify planets by doing a grinding gigathermopolae against 50 million soldiers. They accomplish it through precision strikes and intel. That's the only way to make it make sense. Unfortunately the books rarely do the work to depict that, and just show Marines doing slugfests in town squares or whatever.

>>96800673 (OP)
You missed the general.

>>96800912
It was actually 1,000 marines but still fucking ridiculous.

>>96800673 (OP)
>they're so rare relative to the size of the setting some places regard them as myths.
This isn't presented well, mainly because there the face of the setting, and also because the most important wars in the imperium history revolve around them almost exclusively
>just for them to regularly get bodied by a random nob or a pack of cultists with looted bolters is too retarded and unbelievable even for warhammer.
This doesn't regularly happen, and when it does happen 80% of the time it's off screen in a small blurb shoved in a codex or something

>>96800993
>They're the "hopeless underdogs" who win 90% of their engagements and effortlessly tear through other factions best units like paper.
Sounds like a microcosm of the imperium honestly.

>>96800993
>>96801001
Pretty much every Tau vs titan story I've seen is massed railgun fire before eventually someone gets lucky enough to get the killshot.

And keep in mind, the fact the Tau have been able to take out multiple titans is already Imperium wank by itself, because it means that even after having their 10,000 year old irreplaceable war machines blasted apart by a squadron of aircraft, they are completely unbothered by this loss and continue to send more knights and titans to fight the Tau anyway, because those losses didn't actually matter to the Imperium at all.

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>>96800673 (OP)
Cool cool. Now post your models.

>>96800891
>>96800912
Doesn't help that Tau and Eldar writers absolutely HATE their assigned factions and whish they were writing marinewank instead.
Which, in all fairness, they do.

>>96800673 (OP)
Space Marines are fundamentally cool as fuck but they become increasingly dull through overexposure to a point other parts of the setting seem cooler by contrast because you haven't seen them 70 gazillion times
It also doesn't really help that space marines all virtually have very similar personalities and ideals by design which makes them boring to accompany for extended periods of time, you just have far more character possibilities with a inquisitor's entourage, a rogue trader's crew or a guard regiment while space marines are relativly very samey within their own chapters and in fact should stick to being that way, hell space marine differences aren't even particularly pronounced when you put marines from different chapters in the same room
Marines are cool on paper but you really lack in possibilities with them as compared to other factions that the only real interchangeable point is a chapter's history, gimmick and culture from their home planet while characters stay virtually the same
Marinepiggies will eat ghastly rigamaroles like the Horus Heresy all day though so the exhaustion will hardly ever truly fade though im seeing an active effort from Games Workshop to tone down their marine releases as of 10th edition because most of the primaris revamps from 8th-9th are already done

>>96800673 (OP)
I don't play 40k but some of my friends do so I'm exposed to more 40k lore than a normie should be able to bear. Anyway I can't take them seriously anymore after I learned there were only a million of them. A million. In a galaxy-wide setting lol. What the fuck are these guys even supposed to do? An entire legion would probably get btfo by the modern day albanian military or whatever the fuck.

>>96808892
The point is that they're so stupidly OP that that million is enough to have significant influence over the state of the galaxy, but it depends heavily on the writers

Having mainly lost interest in the 40k IP and having walked away from it outside of the occasional glance, i happened to find the marines even more cringe and boring than i originally did. I am now utterly convined that they lessen the setting

>>96808973
Go back.

>>96808999
struck a nerve, huh?

>>96809019
The picture you posted perfectly describes the behaviour of a plebbitor. This is an observation on plebbitors. We already know that plebbitors are subhuman scum contenting with indians and gypsies. It's not news on 4chinz. We knew it since plebbit begun its' pathetic existence. Go back.

>>96809041
you must be literally seething. Calm down. Touch some grass. You dont need to make the Imperium the core pillar of your personality.

>>96809061
>Calm down. Touch some grass.
Not only you save pictures based on observations of plebbitors, you type like a plebbitor yourself.