Thread 96803311

>The Eldar are a dying race fighting a heroic last stand to save their species from certain damnation, desperately putting themselves in grave danger and showing more courage any anyone in the face of the depths of hell looming over them
>The Tau are a faction of common soldiers with nothing more than their rifles and grit holding the line against mutant abominations, accursed sorcerers, and unholy mechanical monsters, relying on the hope that with enough ammunition and determination you can kill god
>The Necrons are a race seeking salvation from their soulless existence, existing in the glory of their empire that is hollow and empty of substance despite its strength, trying to save what they can with the wonders of the old world so that they can one day go back to a life worth living
>The Imperium is an empire of terrifying godlike psykers, living demigods made flesh, nightmarish mechanized monstrosities, and fanatical cyborg abominations, all of whom want nothing more than to see every other living creature annihilated down to the last infant even if their empire gains nothing from it but satisfaction
Would the Imperium be better written as an antagonist faction?

>>96803311 (OP)
The Imperium IS an antagonist faction. Everyone in Warhammer 40k is an antagonist faction. That's kind of the fucking point.

>>96803311 (OP)
>Would the Imperium be better being read as an antagonist faction?
this is the part we're having trouble with in these modern times

>>96803311 (OP)
>>The Imperial Guard are a faction of common soldiers with nothing more than their rifles and grit holding the line against mutant abominations, accursed sorcerers, and unholy mechanical monsters, relying on the hope that with enough ammunition and determination you can kill god
ftfy
There is more in need of fixing but I can't be bothered.

>>96803400
The Imperial Guard still has those mutant abominations, accursed sorcerers, and unholy mechanical monsters on their side. They're not trying to kill god with ammo, they're the guys who are the ones that have the nightmare god on their side.

No you big baby bitch, if you wanna play the cool evil marines you pick chaos. There's no point if they're both baddies.

>>96803424
Not to mention the absolute masses of mechanized armaments as well as the imperial fleet raining down hell from the skies.

>>96803349
Too bad most imperiumfags actually genuinely think that the Imperium are the good guys.

>>96803492
GW thinks they are too

>>96803311 (OP)
Post painted models.

>>96803589
weren't things more even-handed in fantasy?
what happened to that?

>>96803658
well for one there wasn't as much of a gigantic poster boy faction that massively outsold all other factions the way marines were for most editions if not all even if some were more dominant than others
the cheese was more evenly spread across everyone with only certain standout factions getting dumpstered by retarded rules and a few specifically busted combos

from a writing and mechanical perspective 40k is plagued by marines being popular, almost everything from 8th and 9th was trying to make them more mechanically dominant and 10th is just trying to redo everything (again) in the hopes they can make it stick this time
in turn the massive changes to marines every other release means they need to be included in the writing and they typically have to be shown winning so that their shiny new units are more enticing to buy

What makes the Imperium tragic is that they've let themselves become horrible monsters out of fear of winding up like the rest of them.

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>>96803492
>>96803593
Yo, retards. The Imperium is human. If you were alive in the world of 40k, you would think the Imperium is good because it preserves your race.

>>96803429
>There's no point if they're both baddies.

If this is your line of thinking I don't think 40k is the game for you.

>>96805194
There are other human factions that preserve my race better

>>96805395
No, I want to play the bad guys. There's no point in being the dudes with horns if the clean guys who kill all the evil monsters that want to eat everyone are supposed to be just as bad or some other bullshit. You're eating the meal off my plate.

>>96803311 (OP)
Whichever faction is your dudes is the protagonist and everyone else is potentially an antagonist. Thats it. Thats how the setting works.
>but metaplot-
I do not care what GW says, they're retarded and even their supporters know this.

Honestly the Imperium should just recreate The Rumbling and send 10,000 Titans to just wipe the Tau and Necrons off the map.

>>96806299
lol
lmao

>>96803311 (OP)
Didn't the eldar cause most of the setting's problems?

>>96809040
That's an interesting question, because it depends on what do you count as most of problems. I'm bored enough to actually try to figure out run down of the major setting problems.
>Tyranids
They are the outside the context problem for everybody, completely unrelated to the Eldars. There were even suggestions that they zoned in on Milky Way due to the Astronomican, so humans are a suspect here.
>Necrons
Elder were made to fight them once they became the genocidal robots, not the other way around, so they are clear from that.
>Orkz
Shockingly, Elder do get credit for keeping Orkz from going back to Krorks by systematically trying to purge them and keep them from rampaging.
>Chaos
That's the part where you can blame the Eldar Empire for their own fall to Chaos, which also was the final straw that broke the old human empire. The main difference is that the Craftworld Eldar are the descendants of guys who tried to stop it and evacuated once the situation became hopeless, while the Dark Eldar are the descendants of the bastards who caused this mess. So, Eldar are technically guilty, but the fault lies on the side of the Dark Eldar in particular.
>Horus Heresy and recent Chaos incursions
That's on the humans fucking it up themselves, without Eldars.
>Verdict
Eldar didn't really cause more huge disasters than humans, especially if you consider the timescales involved. If you count the Eldar factions as separate groups for purpose of the judgement, 80% of fault for present issues lies in Dark Eldar, 18% in Craftworlders and about 2% in Corsairs.

>>96806401
100% based and true
Lorelets can't understand, because they don't have models.

>>96806401
>Whichever faction is your dudes is the protagonist and everyone else is potentially an antagonist
What if I play Dark Eldar? Checkmate.

>>96806401
The lore of Warhammer:
>I am hungry. I send my organs to collect food for me. Sometimes, the food fights back. Might chop off a limb, even. A mild setback. Some of the potential food looks promising in other ways. I send a specialized organ to make it part of me.

>>96809040
honestly you can trace most problems to the old ones telling a race of cancer patients to get fucked and them to the Silent King deciding that a eldritch star eating entity name "The Deceiver" was a trustworthy guy

>>96809866
To be fair, the Deceiver said he was trustworthy, that counts for something right?

>>96803492
Technically it is, because its the human-centric faction and subhumans get the rope. It is not however 'good' in the moralist liberalism sense, its just 'good' in the 'we crucify a lot of browns, uppity women and xeno filth in our spare time' sense, which is arguably the better of the two.

>>96809927
Go back to horus galaxy retard

>>96809866
>honestly you can trace most problems to the old ones telling a race of cancer patients to get fucked
The Necrontyr never started the war over their sick and infirm, they just needed to start a war against an outside empire before they destroyed themselves through their own internal strife. They're just assholes from the beginning. The Necrontyr are literally the kid who puts a stick through his bicycle wheel meme, blaming the Old Ones for simply defending their own territory

>>96809942
>Ask question
>Receive answer
>Bitch about it like a faggot and/or troon

Still doesn't invalidate the answer. Post a counter-argument or fuck off.

>>96803311 (OP)
...are you retarded? Are you able to read anything from someone's POV that isn't a white knight?

>>96809040
Good things the Eldar did for the galaxy:
>Beating the perfidious Necrons into a 65 million year stasis
>Exterminating the Krorks and many other hyperaggressive xenos empires
>Crushing Chaos cults for 65 million years and keeping the galaxy generally clean of the Warp's taint, while also collecting all of the captured Chaos lores into the Black Library
>Maintaining and expanding the Webway and honoring the legacy of the Old Ones
>Conveniently wiping themselves out at the exact moment that the Emperor launched his genocidal campaign to conquer the galaxy, purge all genetically deviant humans, and terminate all xenos
>In the post-Fall era, Craftworlds and Harlequins have been working for thousands of years to help humanity survive and beat back Chaos and other threats, such as the Beast
>Eldrad exterminated the Cabal during the events of the Horus Heresy
>The Ynnari resurrected Guilliman, which basically saved half the Imperium
Bad things the Eldar did for the galaxy:
>Murderfucking themselves into birthing a new Chaos god and creating the Eye of Terror
>By extension, every bad thing Slaanesh has done is therefore the Eldar's fault as well. So one Primarch and Legion turned traitor because of them.
>The Drukhari have been raiding Imperial worlds for thousands of years as well, weakening the Imperium further

>>96810085
>The Drukhari have been raiding Imperial worlds for thousands of years as well, weakening the Imperium further
Wasn't there at least one Archon that really enjoyed being an imperial bureaucrat in some random system just because of the ridiculous levels of suffering doing the job (properly) caused? They're not all bad.

>>96810184
There have also been Drukhari raids that have destroyed Chaos fleets, Waaaaghs!, Tau expansion fleets, and other threats to Imperial worlds simply because they consider those worlds their own hunting grounds by right. But these events are pretty rare compared to the usual "we harvest billions of citizens, leaving only just enough on a planet that the population can recover in a decade so we can harvest them again" raiding strategy most Kabals prefer

>>96809040
>Tyranids
Imperium's fault (Marines activating the Pharos attracted them)
>Orks
Imperium's fault (Orks were mostly contained and rendered an inconvenience until the Great Crusade gave them fights to grow off of)
>Chaos
Imperium's fault (Every major Chaos leader is a Human. Before the Great Crusade, Chaos worship was sparse, scattered, and disorganized. The largest forces of Chaos are fallen Space Marines.)
>Necrons
Necrontyr's fault. If we want to get even more specific, Szarekh's fault. (Necrontyr were a race of arrogant 'conquerors' controlled by despots. Their initial war on the Old Ones went so badly that it nearly destroyed their entire society with dynastic civil wars and uprisings. Szarekh took the C'tan's bargain to save his power, not his people)
>Tau
Not really anyone's fault, they just sorta happened. Technically the Imperium could be blamed for the rapid Tau expansion, but that's more just out of neglect.
>Dark Eldar
At best you can say the Eldar weren't able to stop the Fall, which led to the Dark Eldar forming.

>>96809676
AI post

>>96810276
My neurodivergence is organic, free from the taint of the abominable machine.

>>96803311 (OP)
>Would the Imperium be better written as an antagonist faction?
It's the side of humans. Only xenophile libtard cuckcs could ever see it as an antagonist.

>>96803311 (OP)
The Imperium is best written when it is self sabotaging.

>>96803311 (OP)
Nah, Imperium's about as close as it gets to a protagonist. Eldar birthed a chaos god out of sheer degeneracy, necrons are psychopathic murderbots, orks are a fight-crazy fungal infection, tyranids are a hivemind seeking to devour all existence, chaos are actual lunatics trying to ruin everything, and tau are communists.

>>96810614
Tau are more fascist than communist. Same thing I know but still.

>>96803311 (OP)
The Imperium are ok with the Eldar sometimes though.

>>96803311 (OP)
Based setting understander

>>96806299
>source
I made it the fuck up

>>96803424
>Mutant abominations
In the biz we call that a "Diversity win".

>Accursed sorcerers
"Neurodivergent win."

>Mechanical monsters
"Disability win."

>>96809676
The Tyranids are looking more likely to be the Necrons' fault because some guy at the company has a real hate-on for the Silent King.

>>96803311 (OP)
>comic
That is so fuckin' cringe. Limitless reddit energy

>>96812033
It's badass is what it is.

>>96803893
Anecdotally I've seen anons say that Space Marine tactical squad boxes alone outsold all of Warhammer Fantasy at some point. I can't prove that it's true, but I believe it.

>>96809676
100% of the blame for 40k's state of the galaxy lies with the Old Ones, who are the root cause of everything, except the actual creation of Necrons, but they *are* the reason why the Necrons went on a successful anti-life and anti-Chaos crusade that wiped the galaxy at least once before.
Especially since depending on which retcons you include/exclude, the Tyranids are heavily implied to be another Old Ones product/project sent to try to take revenge on the Necrons and/or Chaos.

>>96803492
You can think GW for that. They've been treating the Imperium as the unambiguous good guys since at least 5E.
>>96805194
The evils of bureaucracy vs. the evil that wants to rape your soul. The latter being objectively worse doesn't make the first good. Moral relativism is for losers.
>>96806299
No, there isn't.

>>96810085
>>Conveniently wiping themselves out at the exact moment that the Emperor launched his genocidal campaign to conquer the galaxy, purge all genetically deviant humans, and terminate all xenos
The crusade had to start because the human realms were broken and cut off from each other because of the warp storms which happened because of the birth of Slaanesh which is the event in which the Eldar wiped most of themselves out.
Your cause and effect sequence is backwards.

>>96810619
Based retard hasn't heard of the species behind the horus heresy

>>96812281
>a retarded leper race comes to ask a hyperintelligent space frogs for help
>frogs say: LOL. LMAO.
>5 minutes later 99% of intelligent life in the galaxy is extinguished
How did eldar survive the enslavers again?

>>96806299
Sorry bro Imperium killed them all except squats/Votann and those guys are cloned designer babies

>>96805194
If I were alive in the world of 40k I'd be an elf, because I'm white.

>>96805194
>If you were alive in the world of 40k, you would think the Imperium is good because it preserves your race.
Wrong, because i had no fucking about about any meta stuff. I would be some miserable nobody on a miserable north korea type world, living a shitty life, being bombarded by hollow fearmongering propaganda to justify my shitty work conditions and my even shittier living condicions, while my planetary nobility drinks amasec and shit in golden toilet. If i were alive in the universe of 40k without meta knowledge, i would hate its fucking guts

>>96813045
Holy shit a million times this.
People always wonder why so many humans just willingly join chaos and this is reason number one.

>>96812910
>we've been rejected by the space frogs. well time to ally with the soul eating clouds

>>96813045
Yeah but if the imperium loses you're still fucked tho

>>96813854
Yes, but you're also fucked if they don't. The Imperium is essentially holding humanity hostage.

>>96803492
For what I've seen, that's a recent thing.

>>96812822
>The crusade had to start because the human realms were broken and cut off from each other because of the warp storms
Incorrect youtuber sloplore. The Old Night started due to the Men of Iron revolution which literally obliterated the entire galactic empire of humanity, sending it straight back to the stone ages. Humanity of that era already had such unbelievably advanced warp drive tech and gellar fields that warp storms were nothing to them. See also: Custodes ships and the Black Ships, both of which incorporate these hyper-advanced lost techs and can just cruise right through the worst warp storms in the universe without hesitation or trouble.
>which happened because of the birth of Slaanesh
Specifically the birthing pains of Slaanesh, the pre-birth, were causing the warp storms. The exact moment of Slaanesh's birth, when the Eldar were obliterated, caused the Warp great difficulty and it exhausted its energy for a while, creating a great Warp calm that the Emperor exploited to launch the Great Crusade.

>>96812281
I don't see how you could possibly put it on the old ones and not "you have wronged us forever by saying no, we don't want the reason we want the entire galaxy dead NOW" necrontyr, the actual reason everything is ruined forever

>>96803492
There are no -good guys-.
That way everybody can fight everybody else, any time, for any reason.
Because the setting has to conform to the conventions of a war game.
Which means everybody is assholes, therefore war.

>>96809676
>Shockingly, Elder do get credit for keeping Orkz from going back to Krorks by systematically trying to purge them and keep them from rampaging.
that seems the most lorelet take ever

>>96816340
Had the autistic frogs not been so autistic, they would've had no reason to create the rest of 40k's disasters (including eldar, krorks, Chaos and humanity, etc.), not to mention triggering the necron disaster itself.
Autistic frogs making fun of the retarded sick chihuahua, instead of helping it become something more and decent, made it become the galaxy destroying dobermann. That IMHO cements the vast majority of blame squarely onto their shoulders.

>>96813045

It is your fault for not being well born. Your desire for something more than toiling in a manufactorum shows your lack of stoicism. A man should be content with his lot. Macharius despite the glory and the luxury in which he lived was eternally poor because he desired more. While a slave who is content to harvest wheat or work 14 hours a day to produce weapons for the Imperial army will be rich inside. Go thank the God Emperor for the life that He has given you.

>>96803311 (OP)
>the eldar
Are literally 99% the reason why the setting is so shit.
>the tau
Literally not a faction, the fucking Ultramarines are a larger empire.
>necrons
Will enslave or exterminate every other race.
>Imperium
Doing all these "horrible" things to survive.
This thread reeks of "media literary" Rëddit bugman thinking.

>>96821072
>Doing all these "horrible" things to survive.
Why did they have to give Chaos 9 Space Marine legions?

>>96821022
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
>Meddle
YOU DID THIS
>Refuse to meddle
YOU COULD HAVE PREVENTED THIS

And people wonder why the presumed default political stance for advanced starfaring races in 40k is "swarm of rapey locusts".

It's the most consistent approach, and nobody can really blame you for failing to live up to some high-falutin abstract idea.

Take the Nid pill.

>>96810085
Slaanesh was there before it was ever born, and would've been there after too. Chaos is beyond you monkeys.

>>96821072
The Imperium is responsible for the setting being shit way more than the Eldar. The great rift, the necrons waking up, the tyranids coming, all the doing of the Imperium.

>>96821072
>Are literally 99% the reason why the setting is so shit.
nope, that honor belongs to the Crons unironically. They started everything when they initiated war against the Old Ones just to try and stop self-destructing. Then they got their asses handed to them and ran like simpering bitches to the C'tan for help. See also: >>96809965

>>96805194
i am alive and human right now and i think that we are mostly on the whole, "evil" or "net negative on the biological systems that exist on the planet earth." but then, everything is like, relative maaannnn. being able to deal with relativity and make choices beyond basic self and group preservation is what makes our particular version of mammilian brain neat! or at least some of ours anyways. i wonder about yours.

>>96825427
"Net-Negative" the systems of living organisms exists as it does because of competition if you believe humans are evil then you should feel the same about all life, every creature wastes and genocides, in their competition for finite resources. It's probably how the Destroyers reached their conclusions lol.

>>96803349
THAT'S RIGHT HUMANS ARE BAD OKAY WARHAMMER IS FOR POST-SOCIAL EXTINCTIONISTS WHO HATE HUMANITY WITH EVERY FIBER OF THEIR BEING!

>>96826070
Tbf Gue’vesa are pretty based

>>96803311 (OP)
>Eldar
Literally fucked into existence the chaos god that damned them. Will gladly throw entire planets under the bus without second thought if it's convenient for them
>Tau
"Common soldiers" with mecha and "nothing more than rifles" that can wreck tanks. Mind-controlled lemmings who will trick you into sumbission before sterilising you.
>Necrons
Morons who couldn't figure out that there's no such thing as a free lunch, nevermind immortality.
>Imperium
When they ARE out to get you it's not paranoia. "Other living creatures" are:
>bioengineered living weapons who defy laws of physics and will kill you because it's funny
>unliving metal zombies who will kill you because you're on their lawn, or keep you alive to experiment on you. unless they went full loco already and will wear you as a coat instead
>alien locusts who will eat you because they are hungry. always. if you are lucky they will kill you first. if you are unlucky they will mind-rape you into breeding stock of abominations
>sadists who will not kill you outright, because they want to slowly torture you to death instead.
Etc.
TLDR: lurk moar, newfag

>>96826547
>"Other living creatures" are:
>bioengineered living weapons who defy laws of physics and will kill you because it's funny
>unliving metal zombies who will kill you because you're on their lawn, or keep you alive to experiment on you. unless they went full loco already and will wear you as a coat instead
>alien locusts who will eat you because they are hungry. always. if you are lucky they will kill you first. if you are unlucky they will mind-rape you into breeding stock of abominations
>sadists who will not kill you outright, because they want to slowly torture you to death instead.
Dumbass, the reason those are the only other living creatures is because the Imperium already killed all of the friendly aliens or turned them into enemies.

And those enemies the Imperium does have? All either here because of the Imperium or as powerful as they are because of them.

>>96827120
Any civilization capable of interstellar travel isn't going to be peaceful or friendly, let alone anything aggressive enough to dominate its home planet. Weakness is a provocation, if the Great Crusade hadn't wiped out those alien civilizations they all would have taken the chance to take a bite out of the imperium.

>>96828126
If the Imperium was any kind of intelligent they would've integrated aliens into their empire instead of exterminating them all

>>96828226
The emperor had a plan for humanity not aliens, the imperium didn't need aliens and why waste the resources integrating them? Aliens were just a liability and act against human interests in favor of their own, as any logical creature would. The imperium had the power to conquer the galaxy why make pointless alliances with unknown aliens anyway?

>>96828317
>why waste the resources integrating them
Comparative advantage. Different species possess different physical and mental advantages which allow them to excel in certain things and cover each others weaknesses. The Imperium, in choosing to reject any xenos integration, left itself vulnerable to the weaknesses of humans without any defenses that xenos allies could provide to cover those weaknesses.

>>96828226
Lol why would them empower aliens when they could empower humans instead? I bet you think the GDP going up is a big accomplishment.

>>96828340
They also protected themselves from the sudden but inevitable xeno betrayal. The reason the Tau can get away with this is just plain lying about 'integration of xenos' and they are at such a small size they can afford to risk the bad consequences later.

>>96828550
>They also protected themselves from the sudden but inevitable xeno betrayal.
There was nothing inevitable about it. Xenos had lived alongside humans peacefully for tens of thousands of years when the Imperium came along to kill them.

>>96829762
>allies will never ever betray each other
I bet you think cereal is an important part of breakfast.

>>96828340
Blue hands typed that post.

>>96830649
If an alien species was willing to not betray humanity for 10,000 years straight then they’re more trustworthy than humans are. The Imperium can’t go a day without betraying humans in the Imperium.

>>96803311 (OP)
Only in xenos books.
Chaos books should get Imperium presented as equally evil and Emperor as another player of Great Game.

>>96803349
It's hard to paint CWE as the bad guys, at worst they're arrogant antihero dickheads

>>96831461
The life of an average craftworlder civilian is the closest thing to a modern human experience.
Semi-decent life with ability to pursue your own hobbies and field of interest, chance to join military/get drafted and die overseas and fear of upcoming death as the biggest motivational factor.
Living in the Imperium would be a much more alien experience for the vast majority of our world population.

>>96830850
What aliens are you referencing exactly or are you just assuming these "peaceful" aliens were all saints that valued the human species above their own.

>>96831696
The Diasporex and Interex for one. And really, you expect aliens to value human life more than their own? Being equals isn’t good enough for you, you’re so narcissistic everyone has to bow down and worship your ass?

>>96831717
You ain't fooling anyone xenos. My standards are hardly narcissistic, when things come down to it, a species will choose its own to the outsider. As well would you want to go die for the protection of humans? It's fair to expect humans not wanting to sacrifice for a different species. I trust the emperor far more then any big nosed alien.

>>96803400

The Imperial Guard are just men - but they're the Emperor's men.

>>96832211
Why do you trust the Emperor? He and his Imperium have gladly done Dark Eldar shit to other humans with little if any provocation. There is nothing xenos have done to humans that humans don't do already and more often. The human societies that live with other species are all far more harmonious and don't stuff each other in torture apparatuses or lobotomize each other for fun.

>>96832576
Thats normal skaven thing to do.

>>96832576
Interesting your standards of cruelty is another xenos species. The Imperium is what it is because the galaxy it exists in requires it. The emperor envisioned a future for humanity unfortunately the galaxy had other plans. Tge Imperium is a necessary evil because the galaxy itself is far more evil.

>>96832823
>The Imperium is what it is because the galaxy it exists in requires it
>Tge Imperium is a necessary evil because the galaxy itself is far more evil.
Bullshit, it does not. There are a thousand needless cruelties and hyper autisms that didnt need to exist but do exist because human failure.

The imperium does not NEED to be the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable

>>96832893
It isn't, Chaos is far far worse then anything you could give as an example. Xeno species regularly brutalize and wipe out human civilizations, humanity will survive at any cost of xenos or other species.

>>96832211
>My standards are hardly narcissistic
You're literally demanding that every other species puts you before themselves. Hell, even as a human I wouldn't trust you because you'd demand that I provide for you before my own family.

>>96832823
>The Imperium is what it is because the galaxy it exists in requires it.
The Imperium has created its own enemies at every step of the way. The Tyranids, Necrons, and Chaos are all threats because of the Imperium.

>>96805194
You don’t get a pass on evil just because we happen to share blood, spineless wretch. The man who cries “but we’re brothers!” after despoiling everything I love gets to go to his grave anyway.

Every good guy faction got slaughtered like a day after being discovered. You simply cannot compete in the 40k verse while upholding morality and civility.

>>96833066
Not to mention there's like 4 human factions total, the Imperium doesn't even have a monopoly on humanity.

>>96833117
Yes but you don't have to be self-destructively evil like the Imperium either. You can embrace pragmatism instead.

>>96833033
No I'm not demanding anything, my point is no species is going to prioritize another species over its own, simple biology. I don't think you know what narcissistic means, I prioritize humans over aliens, not sure why your warped mind can't comprehend this.
>>96833051
Ah yes Chaos, Necrons and Tyranids completely benign threats before the Imperium. You must be genuinely retarded to think the Necrons, Tyranids and Chaos, were provoked.

>>96805194
>being a human in 40k
you will live in ze pod
you will eat ze corpse starch
you will work 25 hours a day
you will praise the emperor
you will enjoy it (or else)
you will die and your soul will be devoured by warp demons
that’s if you’re lucky

>but at least they’re alive though
Nigga they’d be better off dead. Why preserve humanity if you’re going to strip away everything worth preserving? I’d rather end the human race than subject them to this kind of eternal torture/slavery.

>>96833148
>Ah yes Chaos, Necrons and Tyranids completely benign threats before the Imperium.
Necrons were asleep before the Imperium woke them up, Tyranids were not in the galaxy before the Imperium brought them here, and Chaos didn't have legions of mortal armies to carry out their will outside of the Eye before the Imperium gifted them with such.

>>96833121
>the Imperium doesn't even have a monopoly on humanity
Until GW makes playable in tabletop non-Imperium political entity, Imperium will have a monopoly on humanity.
Comeback in a decade when Space Grand Cathay gets released as new alternative to Imperium human faction.

>>96833216
>Until GW makes playable in tabletop non-Imperium political entity
There are. Three others in fact.

>>96813743
With the exception of the Tau and possibly some unusually friend Eldar, joining up with anything that isn't the Imperium is pretty much 100% a death sentence if you go forward three generations, and mostly you're wrecked immediately. Even the stupid bug race lies to you and murders you once you help them instead of transforming you into a bug to go prank some other system.

But like was said, that's only obvious with meta knowledge outside the story- in universe you'd have no idea.

>>96833466
There's also the Votann, though I don't know whether they accept regular humans.

>>96805194
The imperium is a coffin fashioned by a madman for humanity in his hubris and greed.