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>>96804748 (OP)
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unbound causality is the best GI

Cyoa for this feel?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_yXCKbW3KyE&pp=ygUZYXF1YSBjcnlpbmcgYWJvdXQgd2luZG93cw%3D%3D

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>>96804768
damn bro, why didn't you just turn off updates

>redditclysmic redditation
...

>>96804787
I think it's calling for you, anon. It's leaking into your every word. It really is time to go back.

>>96804768
Dumb Aqua poster

>>96804760
Perfect guardian is still the be GI and its not even close

>>96804813
the breast expansion grand inheritance?

Post Danmachi right now
Post Mushoku Tensei right now
Post Fairy Tail right now
Post Harbinger right now
Post Mythic Lands right now
Post Harry Potter right now

>>96804820
only two of those are good

your opinion on which those two are is wrong

>>96804834
NTA but I think Mythic Lands is good. Is that one of the two you've mentioned?

>>96804760
So we can all agree crafting is the best strategy?

>>96804839
yes

>>96804748 (OP)
I think OP bailed on us. Can someone post the rest? I would do it myself but I am (shamefully) phoneposting.

>>96804849
it's a good strategy and auxiliary master is probably the low-key second best GI, but it's still only a side thing and focusing on combat or raw cultivation, two things that are more important than crafting, is still better

>>96804849
Get the twink + LL + Protagonist Aura and he can do everything you could possibly need on that point. While you have enough options for combat.

>>96804865
It's not like an RPG where crafting is a separate system. Crafting directly raises your cultivation and combat level.

>>96804770
>>96804856
He was probably only posting files 'cause the build list exceeded the character limit, but sure.

>>96804871
Why would I take a blessing that buffs my enemies? I am not a jobber.

>>96804874
no, you can get shit from other sources here as well, especially now that you have the market, so what i'm saying is that picking GIs like void, dharma, and primordial is strictly speaking better

>>96804865
AT synergizes really well with LL but having two non-combat GIs seems like a mistake. Unless you also pick Guardian and have it fight for you, while you jack off inside your pocket dimension.

>>96804885
It's not lol. Market access makes crafting 10x stronger. You don't seem to understand that you can just craft level up pills.
>dharma weapon
You can literally make something as good as that (plus other shit) if you take auxiliary master

>>96804895
it's still a viable strategy if you take three methods based on crafting

>>96804898
yeah, maybe once you're stage 17 a million years from now, but by that time the dharma weapon dude has killed god and has an even better sword

>>96804839
Mythic Lands is ass. The forced balance is awful. The race selection is awful.

>>96804916
>forced balance
lmao

Anyone explain the absolute jewery of crafters in Xianxia settings yet? You must provide the materials and pay for the costs of production x2-5 times in case the first few tries fail. It is expected that the crafter will pocket all this if he succeeds on the first try.

>>96804787
Don't ever use my ellipses again

>>96804920
There was a whole side section dedicated to why martials should be able to survive and outflex magics. Lmao. The world may as well have been created by a martially biased creator-god (a martially biased turd nugget beyond the fourth wall).

>>96804884
That's exactly what a jobber would say. A real protagonistCHAD relishes the opportunity to fight his rivals. Besides rivalry is not such a negative relationship. For example: you may have the swordswoman as your rival and that should work for the benefit of both of you. Rival is completely different from enemy, after all.

>>96804787
>chudtropist

>>96804879
Appreciate it, anon.

>>96804895
Your guardian cannot be far apart from you so you cannot have it act as a proxy.

>>96804936
buddy, balance of choices is a good thing, otherwise everyone would pick the same thing or suck

>>96804959
Readlet

>>96804936
>My funny words and gestures aren't an autowin against everything and an easy way to godhood, the cyoa sucks!!!!
So this is the balance that casterfags want.

>>96804895
That is why you also take void body then you just nerf your enemies to your weaker level and use your items crafted at a higher stage than yourself and your stronger allies to beat them

>>96804932
don't like it?
do it yourself

Speaking of the fourth wall…

When did you realize that all fiction has a “our existence was conceived in the head of some pathetically weak human from an exterior existence” origin point regardless of how powerful or vast the fiction is?

To the rational mind, I reallydon’t think it’s possible to pretend the fourth wall doesn’t exist. Even in Marvel and DC the super secret lore is that “we’re all just cartoon drawings”. Dungeons & Dragons toys with this as well (but it also occasionally pretends irl earth is on the same existential layer, which is nonsense) in the form of wizards who reach supreme insight and recognize themselves as mere pieces on a gameboard, or letters in a page, or figments in a cosmic brain’s imagination.

>>96804895
You can use crafted items in combat you know.

>>96804980
>Their only real flaw is their inability to leave your side and an inmate overzealous protectiveness
Seriously anon.

>>96804996
All big things have small beginnings. The fantasy dimension probably began as a story the way your life began as a twinkle in your father’s eye.

>>96804959
You can, actually. Just not initially. It is stated to be a psychological flaw, not a hard limitation. So it stands to reason that you can train it act as your proxy.

>>96804768
>working on updates
>this will take a while
Ultimate God
>v1
>v2
>v3
>v4
>v5 (been a wip for over a year now)

>>96805004
Read the rest, anon!!! I know (You) can do it!!!

>>96804996
being incapable of suspending disbelief isn't a superpower anon, it's more like a mental deficiency

I am not a twinkle.

>>96804996
Don't think you would call your creator God a weak pathetic human it's some scary eldritch being that brought you into existence just out of its dreams and it could unmake you with but a thought

>>96804820
Of these, the good ones were mushoku tensei and harry potter
I don't like the harry potter franchise but the cyoa was good

>>96805030
Nah it’s called obsessively wanting to rip down further and further curtains. It’s all a big stage. Eventually you will find the fuzz to the Matrix. Who makes the fuzz?

>>96805044
He’s saying that the eldritch creator deity was created/conceived by some sexless nerd “from beyond”. Because it was.

>>96805002
True, but it will still fall short to a full combat build. Some autist with Dharma Weapon, Primordial Essence and Void Body along with 2 combat based methods will kick your shit in.
In fact, Void Body severely counters crafterfags.

>>96805065
retard kun...

void body is the only thing that can create 2 stages of difference in a battle on its own, suck it everyone else

>>96805061
I am saying that sexless nerd is the eldritch being everything that exists, exists from that nerds mind every action, every though is but a part of the nerds dream if he wishes the world could be erased or rebuilt from the ground up

You are responding to the kike

>>96805083
>t. gets MOGGED by a VoidBodyCHAD

>>96805086
Primordial Essence explicitly gives you power beyond your stage letting you overcome your cultivation being slower. And others obviously allow you to overcome higher stages like Dharma Weapon and Guardian.

>>96805093
it can't, he already posted the world on 4chan so he can't delete it anymore

>>96805093
>I am saying that sexless nerd is the eldritch being
In the same way Azathoth is an unconscious “idiot god” sure okay. It isn’t actually awesome being Mana-Yood-Sushai.

>>96805107
pe gives you 1 stage of advantage

vb gives your enemies 1 stage of disadvantage and funnels it to your allies to give them 1 stage of advantage, thus creating 2 stages of difference

it's the strongest combat gi and it achieves that strength by acting like a support bitch bard

>>96805108
But that is but the snapshot frozen in time it cannot move forward without the dreamer

>>96805017
They would make for a poor agent if they are constantly worried about returning to your side as soon as possible. You should just relegate them for short and precise missions and not a full replacement for you being there.

>>96805065
Well sure, but they've invested basically entirely into combat. Meanwhile you can still fight well enough but can also do other things.

>dharma weapon
Jobber trap option. You can make a dharma weapon AND dharma armor by being a craftchad.

>>96805136
I went all in on crafting but it's pretty obvious you're not reaching that level until way, way, WAY later.

Where does this conception that crafting is separate from combat come? Western fantasy?

>>96805117
The most op part of void body is that it drops the stage of a cultivator that is of a higher stage to your level so they can be multiple stages above and get a really severe debuff

>>96805117
>>96805107
PE gives an entirely new set of powers that can grow to rival the strongest beings in the verse, no? It's probably one of the best GIs for flavor if you want specific powers that are not included on your methods. It also boots your body significantly even in the basest stages, which might grow even more on higher stages. It's like getting a massive physical boost and a innate power that outstrips even methods.

>>96805147
You'll be reaching that stage about 10x faster than the average retard that picks Dharma weapon. Crafting = money. Money = cultivation.
And while doing it you'll have a full loadout of all the relics you could ever want, rather than just 1 good sword.

>>96805155
no, it only drops them by 1 stage, and it's still twice as strong as any other combat gi with that restriction

>>96805157
yes, pe gives you powers and it's awesome for flavor, but those powers are part of the package with the stage of advantage is part of that whole package

pe+vb is a good combo btw, would recommend, you're awesome with pe and you bring your allies up to your level

>>96805124
They don't need to care about my safety if I'm hidden in a pocket dimension literally no one else can reach. Psychological limitations can be superseded and trained out if necessary, they might just get used to being away from you acting on your behalf. Specially if you argue the fact that you running around the world with them is actually more dangerous for you both.

>>96805168
The cyoa straight up tells you none of the GI's are overwhelmingly superior to the rest.

I actually like Danmachi it’s just the cyoa works better as a single player cyoa which is why I stopped talking about it.

>>96805168
anon, NOBODY has money problems in the long term, you literally just take the tree and the market and you're set for life

>>96805136
Bro, your Yesod + Protagonist Aura?

>>96805181
that's not the same thing as saying no build is better than any other build, combos of choices and specializations matter

>>96805186
>your Yesod
No no, you can have him. I wouldn't dare to take him when you're clearly so fond of him.

>>96805130
They can compensate for that in their own way as well. In the end it really falls down to preferences.

>>96805183
The tree has its limitations. Crafting does not. You can sell your crafts from day 1 right up to the highest tiers of power. And it feeds into itself.

>>96805186
Yesod ain't all that.

>>96805182
I could never get into the setting. I liked the concept but the characters are all big time trash. It’s like a teeny soap opera.

>>96805173
Where does it say it only drops them by one stage? As I only see "those above your stage can resist to some extent but even they will find themselves being dragged to your level" seems pretty clearly that it effects those above your stage

>>96805205
it doesn't have many limitations as a money maker at all

>>96805214
It's slow and can only grow raw materials. Only one thing can be copied at a time. It's far worse than plan merchant's guile as a money maker.

>>96805193
Okay, but it is in fact the same thing as saying that Dharma Weapon axiomatically is not a trap choice.

>>96805210
everything works like that in the cyoa, the author also said so, and everything works like that in xianxia in general

respect stages, 1 stage of advantage is 10 times weaker than 2 stages of advantage and 100 times weaker than 3 stages of advantage (might not be the exact number but you get the point)

void body can't bring some stage 10 idiot to stage 1, it isn't a billion times stronger than other gis just because you're reading the text wrong

>>96805136
Matterjeet putting in some serious overtime lately.

>>96805210
Rake specified that those above have it lowered by approximately one stage to stop people thinking that they easily would depower someone five stages above them.

>It’s like a teeny soap opera.
All anime is like this. There isn’t a single mature anime setting out there. It’s all teen shit.

>>96805221
you're not really taking seriously how incredibly expensive raw materials can be in xianxia, this isn't a modern setting where 99% of the value is in the technological process

Are crafterfags really pretending they can defeat combatfags in a straight up fight? Lol

>>96805245
they kind of can with the right build, they just need to take the methods where their crafts become part of their own bodies

still not exactly as strong, but they are serious threats

>>96805245
How do you survive a nuke before the later stages?

>>96805086
Lotus bomb by itself would let you kill an entire sect several stages above you and yet no one took it.

>>96805243
What do you think is going to be more profitable?
Selling the slow trickle of raw materials, or refining them into a master tier artifacts, then selling them?

Which of these two paths will allow you to buy more expensive materials to copy?

Which of these two paths will have faster growth?

Which of these two paths will allow you to rapidly increase your cultivation?

>>96805245
Depends. Crafting implies preparation while combat can be on a whim. With prep you should have the upper hand.

crafting is combat you fucking retards
you can craft pills that instantly raise your cultivation
you can craft arrays that multiply your cultivation speed
you can craft artifacts that are directly useful in combat, like a Dharma weapon

this isn't fucking D&D

>>96805257
I took it along with the thingy that revives you, just in case I really needed to nuke someone. But I have a Living Forge build and I haven't posted it yet.

>>96805261
it's not a big difference, most of the value is in the material, and both of them will more than cover their optimal cultivation speed expenses with their money making

>>96805257
that's cheating

>>96805275
Yes but if you’re caught with your pants down while you’re building your macguffin you’re still going to have a bad time, mmmkay.

>>96805239
It really is matterheroine...

>>96805261
Probably the former in all cases 'cause any bulk customer has specific artifacts in mind and if you fuck up the raw materials for your jobber artifacts that's just more work for them. The latter could work out if you take commissions, but that's basically asking to be enslaved.

>>96805257
Single use items tend not to be that popular.

>>96805229
Rake should really write it better then that, he should have written by one stage instead of to your level as it's way too vague

>>96805284
it's a massive difference
>most of the value is in the material
lol

>>96805275
This general is retarded anon. These idiots can’t into preparation logic. They just want to do shit at the drop of a hat. They hate ritual, process, etc.

>>96805297
it's not a massive difference, you typically see 50-90% of the value of a craft be the thousand year blood phoenix feather some idiot needed to go fetch, not the crafting at the end

>>96805291
If you have taken lost legacy you have a safe pocket dimension to do your mcguffin crafting

>>96805292
>It really is matterheroine...
The fuck? You don’t have to be a genius to know that anime is kiddo cringe.

Just use your Guardian and Lotus Bomb them. With the right methods and GIs you might even be able to replicate the bomb, specially if you take Place of Power.

>>96805280
>>96805326
>readlets
you automatically survive the lotus bomb

>>96805326
it's probably not replicable unless you use the essence furnace on it first, rake needs to fix this oops

a crafter created the spliced tree
and the essence furnace
and the pocket dimension
and the totem of rebirth
and the lotus bomb
and the slaver's tools
and the salubrious tonic
and the lucky dice
and the celestial orrery
and the condensation array
and even the lost legacy palace and dharma weapon

btw

>>96805331
It's so strong, I projected a drawback on it to make it more palatable to my brain. Forgive me for remembering it wrong, scholar-sama.

>>96805343
they didn't craft the tree, and everything else needs unique resources to craft, you can't just make it out of glowing rocks

>>96805297
>>96805309
Depends on the story. Sometimes to make one item you need five or six materials, and a skilled crafter will succeed in making it a third of the time. Sometimes you only need one material that is so obscenely rare that somehow only one has ever existed in the entire world yet everyone knows about it. Sometimes both things are true, and either that unique material will be pointlessly destroyed for a chance at the item, or using such an item negates the risk normally associated with crafting.

>>96805369
yeeah, but the point is that the tree isn't going to destroy it when copying it, so you can get multiple of the super rare material and outproduce the GDP of eurasia either way

I bet you could use lotus bomb as a technique to spontaneously explode the RE of others

>>96805380
>anon forces someone else to use the lotus bomb
>that guy lives, but anon next to him dies
the most brilliant plan i've seen in all of cyoag

>>96805333
Having the raw materials doesn't mean you can build it since it's basically a trapped storm inside.
Even with all the crafting tools you would still need to be tens of stages above earth level to even think of forging one.

>>96805331
I know you survive it, my point is that you don't even need to be anywhere near harm's way.
>>96805333
I think that with the right combination of methods, GIs and Blessings you might be able to replicate it even without melting it down. Reverse engineering this kind of shit should be well within the purview of a crafting based cultivator.

>>96805392
not necessarily, all it does is use your energy, not its own, so it's probably a unique resource situation, not a high stage resource and recipe situation

its actual effects also aren't off the stage chart, it's like stage 8 in power maybe?

>>96805393
maybe you could make it on your own, but you'd really need to specialize in it to do that and still take a lot longer, and it feels like a pointless endeavor when you need the bomb to study it or melt it down either way

A Living Forge could theoretically make the Lotus Bomb one of his techniques, no?

>>96804760

>Perfect Guardian, Void Body + HCF/Dick Devourer

There is literally nothing that beats this combination. If you are picking anything else you are going to end up as a jobber and ngmi.

>>96805380
Probably by the time you can pull that off, it's a normal attack for your stage or just one level above your own.
>>96805386
If done with a Tulpa, or some other clone, I can see some use cases there. Like if your clone is being attacked by a group that it can't beat, the technique could be used to ensure that only one of your attackers survives.

>>96805425
primordial essence + void body + lost legacy for me

>>96805425
>perfect guardian
jobber choice

void body + HCF + dick devourer is the pure powerGOD build

>>96805470
you're holding yourself back with hcf desu

>>96805470
>Dont have perfect servant that scales off of you to transfer your void body buff to

>>96805488
>not having Iska possess you and buffing her which consequently buffs you too
Ngmi

Why not just take a seed from the tree and make more copies of it?

>>96805488
heavenly conqueror foundation allows you to progress much more quickly, and it allows the use of a third method
it's far superior to some jobber stand

>>96805478
I think anons overestimate how good a third method is. HCF was too good on the first version but I think it has been nerfed into the ground.

>>96805525
nah it's still good, it's just not the optimal choice for the combat combat combat dumbass build

>>96805500
>Has to carry weak jobbers from companion section that will lag several stages behind you unless you waste large amount of resources on them you couldve used on yourself.

>>96805516
the tree is an incel, sorry

what would happen if you dick devoured your dharma weapon

>>96805522
Thats why I take HCF, Guardian and void body

>>96805536
it doesn't really work that way in stories, you aren't going to benefit from stage 2 resources when you're stage 3 yourself already, you may as well give them to your companions because they aren't going to fetch stage 3 prices in the market either

>>96805544
That's just sepukku.

>>96805470
those were my GI's the first time around, funny

>>96804760
I'm going to make a build for this, but I'm not going to post it/work hard to expand it beyond a mere shopping list.

>>96805525
Oversoul is better now, a third technique really doesn't matter unless you just really want it.

oversoul + HCF + dick devourer

>>96805573
it matters a lot in some combos

>>96805549
I kinda think lost legacy is really powerful at the start in this way as it gives you items and equipment above you by several stages, you could be a stage 1 using stage 5 equipment

>>96805579
>Unbound causality, Mentor ring, Karmic Alignment

name 1 combo that beats this

>>96805536
Bro? You do have Protagonist Aura, right?

>>96805591
Literally anything else

>>96805590
i think its primary utility is the pocket world by FAR

focusing on the loot is a meme, that thing is so strong it's not even funny, you get a perfect extradimensional fortress that you can just teleport into at will and nobody can follow you in, and as if that wasn't enough you get to have time pass ten times faster while inside

>>96805593
No I didnt pick the jobber option that buffs my enemies.

>>96805525
It's good, but the value just isn't there. I'd say the average value of a GI is something like 1.6 to 1.8 methods, as where HCF is more like 1.3 because it doesn't do much besides giving you a method. Really what it needs is a bit more to it. Like making you better at combining your methods to produce a complementary result.

>>96805591
What are the rules of the engagement? As if they all start from stage 1 then lost legacy beats everyone as they just speed cultivate multiple stages trough the power of money and can then wreck the other builds

>>96805590
Or you could just jack off inside your own dimension until you reach stage 5. If you have combat GIs as the other choices you can fight almost anyone on the planet the second you step outside the bunker.

>>96805607
Of course the pocket dimension is the greatest prize, but the loot just gives you a massive headstart not to mention the free blessings.

>>96805608
Rivals are not the same as enemies, retard-kun

>>96804748 (OP)
I'm sure rakes explainee it multiple times, but what are/can be a tulpa?

>>96805610
It makes you cultivate faster so you will reach higher stages faster. It also helps with bottlenecks and tribulations.

>>96805636
yeah, not picking lost legacy is pretty much always a mistake no matter what you're doing

Unbound causality + social buffs is unbeatable

>>96805708
you don't need to savescum social situations if you have social buffs you autist

>>96805716
>he thinks that's what the time travel ability is for
ngmi

>>96805719
i know that's exactly what you want to use it for

>>96805727
>i [HEADCANON]
kwab

>>96804748 (OP)
Personally I like the plan of just rulling a backwater universe as a immortal god king at some point a cultivator just grows too fat on RE to be able to enter a lower realm so just reach this peak and you will essentially be the strongest in your universe

>>96805708
Untill the old monster remembers your blunder from the previous timeline

>>96805748
your universe isn't locked down, if you want to do that shit you're better off trying to breed a cult society in your lost legacy world

>>96805643
I might just not value those aspects enough, but in comparison to Karmic Alignment, which even having been buffed still comes off a bit lacking, it seems a bit weak. Karmic Alignment is effectively a method unto itself, that also boosts your other methods. Or there is Primordial Essence, which again is basically a method of it's own, but it makes you able to fight at a level above your own stage, but also has a bit of a nerf to cultivation speed.

>>96805761
>"he farted while walking past me in my dream"
>"HE IS COURTING DEATH"

>>96805782
>be a moralfag in life 1
>ingratiate yourself with all the old monsterrs
>rewind
>now the old monsters have a vaguely good feeling about you by default
>exploit them mercilessly and take their shit

>>96805800
i don't know about that one, they'd probably be very suspicious of impulses like that, especially if you're ingratiating yourself, this is actually really dangerous

>>96805778
Karmic alignment is too prohibitively stupid, its very specific in what it does while not giving benefits comparable to needing to effecfively give up your autonomy and good/evilmax. Primordial bloodline is the opposite, it's extremely vague in what it does aside from making your body exceptionally stronger while slowing down your cultivation speed, its one of the only inheritances that actively has a downside rather than coincidentally having one

>>96805800
Being a moralfag is like the least ingratiating thing you can do in a xianxia setting.

>>96805772
Your pocket realm is a bit too small for that, and you probably could lock down a universe with enough effort maybe not fully but you could probably take control of the main dimensional chokepoints, living in a resource poor backwater is pretty great cause it's just not worth it to invade you and you can just develop alternative non RE paths of power like tech

>>96805824
anon you're talking about the old version

>>96805835
No its still the same

>>96805830
nah, it's big enough to have a decent city in there

>>96805842
go read it

also primordial essence doesn't really have a downside, you just get to ingest more power per tier, everyone would be happy about that

plus the vagueness about what it does means that you can declare what you do yourself, like if you're related to a phoenix you might respawn to some limited extent

>>96805856
Have read them, I accurately described both

>>96805842
Karmic Alignment now states
>while being undetermined would grant you wide access to both.

techchads counter old monsters
when have you ever met an oldfag that was good with technology?

>>96805865
no, you're still saying it restricts your autonomy and need to be good or evil, which is not true at all

>>96805867
>he's taking the power to get a shitty mix instead of a superpowered specialization
Take something elss

>>96805884
why? the amount of power you get is the same, nothing implies the mix is worse than the specialization

>>96805895
>anon did not read the power

>>96805902
yeah i did, the power is the same, if you want a mix then the mix empowers you

>>96805778
I guess it depends on your interpretation. Bottlenecks seemed a big issue based for example from that cannibal even decription that will force you to take harder challanges. Same with tribulations which can be lethal and challenging and something you will face a lot, now become trivial and very rewarding.
+ it makes you cultivate fast reaching higher stages faster. These 3 are main reason I take HCF. It just feels like an easy mode for dealing with cultivation stuff. The extra method is just a nice bonus on top and I would pick HCF even without it.

>>96805913
Karmic jobbers never ever

>>96805921
more power for them i guess

>>96805927
>karmic
>power
Pick one

Post your Grand Inheritance tier list.

>>96805965
>god tier
lost legacy
>s tier
everything else

>>96805965
>Viable choice
Everything else

>F tier
Job legacy

>>96805965
Unbound Causality
HCF
Dick Devourer
Auxiliary Master
Void Body
Oversoul
Mentor Ring
Dharma Weapon
Perfect Guardian
Lost Legacy
Primordial Essence
Karmic Alignment

Why do people shit on Primordial Essence so much? It can give you a lot of useful shit depending on the bloodline you choose.

>>96806014
those primordial creatures died for a reason (they're jobbers)

Post cyoas

>>96806020
The original owners of every single grand inheritance were all jobbers too
I think Perfect Guardian is the only one that has an argument for not being one

>>96806014
It has a tiny downside so anon can't pretend it's omnipotent.
Also anon overvalues cultivation speed multipliers because it sounds like it'll also multiply power growth even though it doesn't.

>>96806049
it doesn't even have a downside, that's like saying being allowed to make a bigger blast by stacking more explosives is a downside because you need to get more explosives first

Oh God Dharmit

>>96806014
Its vague as fuck

>>96805965
HCF
Devourer
Guardian
Dharma weapon
Casuality
Auxilliary techniques
Lost legacy
Primordial essence
Oversoul
Mentor ring
Karmic alignment

>>96806097
>he can't imagine a dragon
ngmi

>>96806100
Oh and void body between Guardian and Dharma weapon

>>96806104
>headcanon

>>96806097
That's one of it's strengths. You can choose a bloodline that fits your build and essentially all the powers it can give you, within reason.

I took the GI that gives me the best swordfu.

>>96805965
legacy
>
void = primordial = auxiliary > oversoul = conqueror = devourer
>
dharma = causality = mentor = guardian = karmic

>>96805965
legacy
>
void = primordial = auxiliary
>
oversoul = conqueror = devourer
>
dharma = causality = mentor = guardian = karmic

>>96806114
>he doesn't take advantage of choices asking him to make up his own shit AKA the mechanically most powerful and most interesting and sovlful choices
The jobbest.

>>96806114
explicitfag...

>>96805256
how do you survive a gunshot beofre the later stages? With that logic every build jobs to fucking Richard. The thing is the future.

Primordial jobbers really think they got something

>>96805544
why would you devour your wife? bro? your dharma children?

>>96806235
because, even though he's spending time on cyoas, he's not taking them seriously, making his time making builds unfulfilling and meaningless

>>96806160
>headcanon
Sorry, doesn't work the way you think it does

>>96804760
For what it’s worth, I dropped Heaven-Blessed from my Lilu build. I misread the complications at first and didn’t realize one was mandatory, thus worth no points. I’m fine with that, though, since Cataclysmic Cultivation is extremely generous with default protagonist powers and what you can get from blessings. Heaven-Blessed felt like cheating at that point, plus it being meant for another made me a bit suspicious

>>96806247
it does, there's a superior choice in the cyoa that your autism doesn't allow you to take, and there's nothing you can do about it :)

Do you guys unironically just turn your brain off whenever you play/read a cyoa

>>96806258
>my headcanon is good because I said so
Lol, lmao

>>96806295
>>96806247
explicitfag...

>>96806291
Brain?

>>96806306
the thing you severed when you misread heart as brain

>>96805965
>HCF
This is a talent boost in disguise, as you permanently gain the capacity of using 3 methods at the same time, which is huge, the cyoa also says using 2 methods is a nearly unheard talent, imagine 3.
This will also stay when you get better methods.
>Dick devourer
The potential man option. You don't even need to get a primordial bloodline to get as strong as a primordial bloodline, you can fuse bloodlines, I imagine that a few dozen worlds worth of bloodlines fused into "God Dick Of Gluttony" or something will be the equivalent of a primordial bloodline, so you can kinda make one of those and then improve.
>Dharma Weapon
Enough said, its the best weapon, the potential man of weapons. Also, the lore drop that you can create a spiritual weapon bloodline with the spirit is... at some point the weapon will be a "Perfect Guardian" in a sense, as they will be alive, be able to interact with you and be very strong.
>Primordial Essense
The strongest type of natural (not dick devourer fusions) bloodline. Also rises your potential.
>Void Body
THE combat GI, but also boring in my eyes. " I nerf you and boost my allies" okay.
>Unbound casuality
Time fuckery is hax
>Perfect Guardian
Strong waifu
>Mentor Ring
Strong teacher
>Auxiliary Master
not my cup of tea but its very useful
>Karmic Alignment
The esoteric shit can be good, but the Good Vs Evil nerfs it, like the murasama and murasame of SC
>Oversoul
Eh, you can get that level of knowledge on your own eventually
>Lost legacy
not my cup of tea, but its very useful. At the end of the day tho, its something you could get on your own eventually.

Do a tier list, buf of companions. I hope Mono and Cassian are on top

>>96806364
marie lyra ajax good
rest bad

>>96806376
Why those are good but the rest are bad? it can't be waifu potential, when there are better waifus

>>96806385
because i like those and don't like the others

>>96806391
and why is that?

>>96806364
I don’t care about them.

companions? those are for pussies and because of pussy.
Real men become gross, ugly and become loners

My favorite method and your favorite method are both great and cool.

>>96806424
this is peak Ascended Master from Entropist, but people are too scared to have extra arms because "I will be ugly!"

>>96806424
I would refine you for a 0.000000001% power upgrade

>>96806424
If you could cast a magic spell that kills all humans besides you, but also makes you gross and ugly, would you do it?
I wouldn't

>>96806451
Nobody would willingly stand beside him if he were gross and ugly. Useless spell.

>Now that I have crazy magical powers I want to make friends and find people who love me
Jobber mindset
>Now that I have crazy magical powers I want to do push ups and eat weeds in a cave all day every day
Champion material

>Now that I have crazy magical powers I'm going to hide in a cave because I'm scared of danger
jobber mindset
>Now that I have crazy magical powers I'm going to boldly and directly pursue power. The greater the risk the greater the benefit
champion material

>>96804760
>>96800218
As promised, my second build
already have a third as well on the block for writefagging
>Methods:
>Heart-Severing Mantra
>Akashic Ascension Records
The perfect fusion of the Id and Ego, control over the emotional and the logical in equally elevated amounts; at the highest levels, creation of tulpas built upon specific emotions, which in turn are specialized in what those emotions can do, as well as the ultimate in controlling lesser minds by reinforcing hostile thoughts with emotions of satisfaction and contentment, making others feel as if such thoughts were made by themselves rather than introduced by a foreign conscious. Planned embodied emotion is Pity: if Sorrow is used to shield the mind, then pity as a sorrow directed at others means I can bestow my mental protections and boons upon others.
>Blessings:
>Decentralized Organs
As my mind ascends past the limits of my body, my physical organs become as hard to destroy as an idea is to be dispelled from my conscious; in gaining tulpas, sub-minds, and emotional constructs, I can distribute these organ-ideas amongst them.
>Third Eye
With my mind expanding and integrating within myself to an unprecedented degree, this frees up my senses to be able to detect and perceive such things that others would be incapable of processing when their minds are already so busy and preoccupied with baseline reality.
>Iron Will
I control both my emotions and how I logically perceive my reality, both from without and within. At this level it is elementary to divorce my sense of pain and harm from fear and instinct, instead seeing it as a useful tool to gauge my current health and ability to continue living, but not something that would affect my will or determination. Additionally, I am synchronized enough with my own mental processes that any hostile or esoteric effect on my mind has a certain amount of ‘mental distance’ it has to cross, allowing me to analyze and counter the effect before it affects me.

>Now that I have crazy magical powers I act according to the drives of the crazy magical power in me
jobber mindset
>Now that I have crazy magical powers I will first try to become uncrazy
champion material

>>96806424
>Gets jumped and BTFO'D by my army
Heh what a jobber.

>>96806558
>Kind Tribulations
Since my Methods have very little in the way of physical enhancement, my tribulations are mainly centered within my own self and soul; with the fine control I have over my own mental development, there is little the world can do to negatively affect my mind that I cannot easily rework and rethink into an idea that reinforces my own position. It is quite literally an exercise in mental gymnastics.
>Communication Expert
Language is but a construct for an individual to express their self to others; I have divorced myself from any mental foundations I may have had as a baseline human, so I no longer perceive differences in communication as a barrier I have to cross. Instead, communication is like a set of clothes: I can just as easily communicate with gods and eldritch beings as I can with beasts and noetic ideas, just as I can easily change from a suit and tie to pajamas and slippers.
>Treasures:
>Spirit Lantern
A good tool to help my mind stay sharp in the early stages of development, and stays useful later on, letting me practice speaking half-truths, lies of omission, and other such evasions of falsehood until they no longer appear even under the light of the lantern, thus letting me bring it to discussions and diplomatic tables as a symbol of fairness and equality while still manipulating my opponents as I see fit.
>Golden Vessel
Being an admittedly cripplingly mental cultivator, it’s useful to have physical devices to help with transport and general heavy lifting as I travel and improve; also, it improves moral of companions and allies, giving them personal space to develop themselves.
>Scrying Mirrors
Useful for outward observation when my own perception is mainly turned inwards; and while they may be warded to prevent attack through the connection, nothing is stopping me from splitting off a barely-formed tulpa to teleport through the mirror as a sacrificial range extension for my mental powers.

>>96806567
>Perfect Servant
Innately possessing a connection to myself and a nascent form of my own powers, aside from being useful as a secretary and manager, it can be used as a testing ground for power combinations and techniques that may prove harmful or detrimental if I were to experiment with them within myself.
>Power Armor
The most needed enhancement, as I have very little in the way of personal physical protection; I may be able to withstand and deflect mind control and other esoteric effects, but there is next to nothing I can do against a physical attack beyond the knowledge that with decentralized organs it is unlikely to be completely fatal.
>Grand Inheritance:
>Oversoul
I have no way to tell if my mental focus was due to this previous soul imprinting on me, or if it is my talent for mental expertise that diffused and dismantled their attempted coup; either way, it has provided me with the much needed basic knowledge to make full use of my faculties and mind, allowing for a much more seamless amalgamation of logic and emotion control.
>Companions:
>Alva
If I am mainly focused inwards, Alva is mostly focused outwards; We compliment each other in that way, as I can potentially use her undead thralls as soul containers for my tulpas, meaning I can use less energy on the bodily formation and more on the powers I can give them, while she can make use of the mental protections I provide… and her desperate need for social interaction and lack of social skills make her an easy target for mental manipulation.

>>96806560
>BEING CRAZY IS LE BAD
>TAKE YOUR MEDICINE
glowie

>>96806571
>Alice
While I can manipulate the mental, she can manipulate the spiritual, and perhaps even the physical; in doing so, we can more effectively control any we come across than either of us would on our own. Additionally, it’s pitifully easy to keep her in line, as all I need to do is to create a Devotion tulpa to be her minder and stay close to her at all times, reinforcing her dependency on me through becoming her ideal parent/partner/sibling. With enough devotion, I can easily manipulate her into become the ultimate berserker-protector, aiming her at my enemies and making her think that they aim to take me away from her.
>Events:
>Hive Queen
What is a swarm to an undead army? If nothing else, evenly matched, leaving me to pursue the Queen, either ‘persuading’ her to join my cause… or breaking her will entirely if I cannot. The former would make a formidable ally, while the latter would make up for it by being the perfect RE-battery for Alice. In both cases, the control of a pestilent swarm would be the perfect force multiplier for Alva’s corpse-thralls, as the mutant insects could easily nest within the rotting flesh.
>Treasure Hunt
Alva proves a priceless tool once again, her undead army perfect for overwhelming any defenses that might bar our path, with Alice can drain the energy of any RE-based trap or hostile effect. I can deal with enemy cultivators or treasure hunters, anything from an aura of uninterestingness - a fusion of apathy and inverted curiosity - to making areas we are in seem more dangerous than is worth the risk, or just outright mentally attacking any who get past those defenses and suggestions.

>>96806578
>The Cannibal
This one is pitifully easy. Even without an undead army that can easily flush out a single person, I have a yandere at my beck and call perfectly ready and willing to kill anyone who tries to remove me from her; all I need to do is make it look like I got killed by the cannibal - most easily done by sacrificing my tulpa and both planting physical evidence and thoughts within Alice’s head, convincing her that it has either killed me, or at least got close enough to doing so, to send her into a psychopathic murder rage and then just wait for her to present the monster’s corpse at my feet.
>Profundity in Violence
The world bears scars of the calamity in ways that may not be easily seen by the naked eye: sentient ideoforms and psychic constructs entered the human realm of thought during the portal storms, but when the barriers solidified once more, baseline earth-normality was reinforced and forced these beings of pure thought back out to the realms of which they originated. But, the voids they left behind still exist; whether it be in ideas hidden from the human mental space that I can now perceive as I ascend higher past my limitations, or the tattered remnants of alien thoughts left behind as their owners were ousted that, as my mind expands, I can now contain without overwhelming my entire consciousness.
>Wandering Temple
While I personally am incapable of repairing the engine myself, an ideatic basis such as religion is pitifully simple to overcome even through basic diplomacy and discussion; besides, if needs be I can simply enthrall him and make him repair it anyways, or implant suggestions and compulsions in his compatriots to overwhelm him from a social standpoint.

>Devourer + Unbound Causality
Luv me quick saving and homicide, just liek Skyrim

>>96806586
>Complication:
>Incompetent
My Methods are entirely inwards-focused; even my tulpas are simply fragments and reflections of my inner self. I am incapable of producing physical, outward items not because my being spoils the product, but because I am simply incapable of infusing the required RE amounts within something that is not fundamentally of myself.

>>96805525
Nah

>>96806444
Nigga Dragon > AM

>>96805778
All the examples of what KA can do are basic things I would expect from Heart Severing. In fact that whole whole GI should have been Scrapped and rolled into HSM.

>>96806578
>Alice believer
Rake would be proud of you fucking the crazy bitch

>>96806346
>lost legacy not my cup of tea, but its very useful. At the end of the day tho, its something you could get on your own eventually.

The castle is an anomaly of craftsmanship so your pretty much have simmilar chances to acquire the other GI trough some means as your likely to get a similar time dilation artifact to the castle. So I guess if you could theoretically acquire all the GI eventually, might just take a million years.

>>96806424
Anti-Softie...

>>96806648
>fucking the crazy bitch
hahaha no I'm not that stupid, I'm foisting that off on a tulpa specifically made to manipulate her into the perfect puppet
if you have multiple bodies, it's easy as hell to manipulate a yandere

>>96806682
>sad Rake can be heard on the distance
I am also disappointed in you, son

>>96806682
What are you going to do at the start while you don't have tulpas yet?

>>96806436
Yes they are fren

>>96806558
I like this type of thematic builds.

Reminder that Fated Shot Doctrine is unquestionably the coolest method.

>>96806558
You shouldve taken HCF for celestial scrolls

>>96806689
I was thinking of a Demon King build that would take Alice as a cornerstone of the build and actually work with her instead of just abusing her but I don't know if I will post it
>>96806682
>it's easy as hell to manipulate a yandere
Sure, until you unknowingly break one of her incontrollable sensitivities and you suddenly wake up with your eyes gouged out, alongside those of all your subjects.

>>96806733
The coolest is the sword singing method. I sing for your death and become a sword saint.

>>96806733
Are you fated shot with sutra for stealth sniper build or fated shot with inferno tablet for perfect offense?

>>96806734
nah
hcf is powerful yes, but none of the other methods really fit with the flavor of the build I was going for

>>96806747
I am fated shot with sword singing

>>96806745
I took fated shot with sword method so I can use Dharma musket with bayonet

>>96806747
>fated shot with sutra for stealth sniper build
Add Rifts Codex and snipe from another dimension.

>>96804764
this is a picture of someone with heartwood/swarm

>>96806766
Its over

>>96806733
>>96806745
no the coolest is the ice method

You aren't a jobber, right anon?

>>96806909
of course not, i'm not you

>>96806909
There’s nothing wrong with being a jobber.

Rake confirmed that Spirit Stones count as materials, huge news for Lost Legacy.

>>96806909
This is the face of someone that gets raped by Cassian and added to his harem.

rake confirmed that everyone other than me is weaker than my cc build, huge news for me

>>96805965
>S rank (top tier)
Conqueror Foundation: overall makes cultivating a much smoother task and it is already rare enough to have 2 cultivations, so going further to 3 of them is bound to be good and open up a bunch more synergies between them.

Devourer Physique: honestly the only thing keeping it from being game breaking is the diminished returns from weaker targets so at some point this power gathering will slow down to a crawl, but even then it's a busted ability

Primordial Essence: being able to punch up your stage is incredible as you practically start at stage 2 instead of 1, and once you reach earth's limit of 10 you would (probably) the only 11, that's not even counting the cool monster transformation+abilities you get

>A rank (strong)
Dharma Weapon: solves the glaring issue of having to constantly seek out new better weapons from cultivation methods that require them such as the fated shot doctrine, the fact that it comes with an eventual loyal waifu is a big extra benefit (S rank if combo'd with weapon god physique)

Oversoul: avoid deviations and gives you a massive headstart in manipulating RE and creating/improving your techniques, simple but strong in the early and late stages (S rank if combo'd with innovate and peerless prodigy)

Perfect Guardian: immortal waifu whose entire cultivation focuses on making you stronger and can tank any damage for you is crazy good, I just think it lacks that unique oomph to make this an S rank so it would be an honorary A+ rank.

Void Body: personally not a fan of powers that focus on weakening others rather than strengthening you, but draining luck and fate could be a life saver against certain enemies

>>96806992
No I rape cassian and then add him to my harem. We are not the same.

>>96806994
Stop talking to gardening tools anon.

>>96807003
>B rank (not bad, but lacks compared to the others)
Auxiliary Master: pretty strong for crafter builds but then again I am biased against them in a setting where might makes right

Lost Legacy: only reason it is here is for the hyperbolic time chamber to cultivate faster, but I don't see a reason to have an obscene amount of treasures when you are just a lvl 1 mook who knows next to nothing about crafting, it is all going to sit in your storage for most part of your journey doing nothing

Unbound Causality: cool trick but it is not true time travel nor a save point as you need to consciously use it so you can still get assassinated

>C rank (only for RP builds)
Karmic Alignment: I hated the arbitrary evil/good system of games like infamous, why would you want this irl?

Mentor Ring: this is just guardian and oversoul but worse than either of them

>>96807010
We are not the same because you were rated and added ro his harem. Its not something I've ever had to worry about about honestly.

anons is heroes journey drawback a trap?

>>96807018
Jobber mindset anon, if you cannot rape your opponent then you deserve to get raped by your opponent.

>>96807025
Nope, it means you're going to get dragged into quests, drama, and story arcs instead of living a mostly normal life outside of chance encounters.

>>96807003
Void Body is S ranked whether you like it or not. If Dharma Weapon is A then so is Primordial.

>>96806987
why did you need that confirmed??

What's the best emotion for Heart-Severing Mantra?

>>96807081
spite

>>96807081
lust

>>96807076
To see if it works with Essence Furnace and the like. I assumed it would, but better safe than sorry.

>>96807081
Vague sense of unease.

>>96807081
Ennui

>>96807081
Determination probably, it's always useful.

>>96807110
Not an emotion

>>96807081
Rage will always be the best emotion made into a power. Hate is a close second.

>>96807124
Rake-sama confirmed it works

>>96807143
Rake is retarded and dosent get to determine what an emotion is. It also makes absolutely no sense with how HSM is written.

Rake identifies with/as neco-arc of course he’s retarded

>>96807087
>>96807139
All different shades of the same thing really.

>>96807160
bro even fucking wikipedia calls it an emotion, you've lost this one

>>96807160
Rake-sama confirmed you're ngmi

>>96806758
That's a keyblade.

What nemesis would you take with a crafter build?

>>96807197
>Wikipedia
Is this nigga serious

>>96807212
Cassian, he's a hell of a one trick pony. It's a very strong trick but still.

>>96807196
Not really and they manifest in different ways. Rage or anger doesn't necessarily come from the same place as hate, you can hate something without being angry at it and vice versa. Spite is somewhat close to hate but not necessarily the same, I would say that hate is more visceral than spite. As for powers, I would say that they could manifest in several different ways, though spite would be about weakening others for the most part while hate could do pretty much anything from making a hate plague to cursing people.

>>96807081
Shotgun

>>96807238
>>96807196
for me, spite is a reactive emotion, i don't feel it on my own, only when someone or something is fucking with me

>>96807213
>grandpa still thinks wikipedia bad
you're the 60+ year old poster aren't you.

>>96807238
They have the same root, and more importantly there is not enough of a distinction for manifesting powers.

>>96807238
Spite is more about buffing endurance and continuing to keep going, I think.

>>96807003
>Devourer Physique: honestly the only thing keeping it from being game breaking is the diminished returns from weaker targets so at some point this power gathering will slow down to a crawl, but even then it's a busted ability
Thats just stats. The bloodlines, physiques and other abilities are gotten in full and you can develop them

>>96807212
Yesod would objectively be the funniest.

>>96807291
>>96807221
Too bad Rake's gay and won't let you take two nemeses

>>96807211
yes, a keyblade that is a sword + gun. In fact, Dharma weapons are keyblades, as both of them change sizes and forms, you can use magic throught them and they are busted

>>96807330
i mean you're free to go out and piss someone off until they treat you like one

>>96807330
>two nemeses
do you wanna die that bad?

>>96807330
Rake has to be at least a little into men.

>>96807349
It'll be even cooler when I win the 1v2(my companions aren't allowed to help, I want a challenge)

>>96807330
>Blessing of [SRTR]

>>96807349
A competent player could take them all as nemeses without the slightest difficulty.

>>96807382
>a little
Anyone who uses anime girls as their avatar is a homosexual.

>>96807349
He just wants to be double teamed by Cassian and Hirak.

>>96807274
I can see that youre a barely functional subhuman, so you're going to be shocked to find out that hungry and tired aren't emotions either.

>>96807414
Yea yea go back to bed grandpa.

>>96807414
Ok unc.

if you can tolerate pseudo-fallen isn't possession basically the same shit except it triggers randomly instead of in danger and there's nothing to gain at the end

>>96807414
Whatever you say boomer.

>>96807407
This. I usually assume anime avatars = gay or trans

>>96807213
it's a lot more reliable these days

Heart-Severing Mantra (Fear) is the best method for you Jobbers

>>96807414
Hunger is the most fundamental feeling

>>96807468
Yes. Fear, Hunger and Lust (procreation) are the three primordial feels.

>>96807402
Triffil alone would make mulch of your corpse.

>>96807437
the spirit tries to take control in life and death situations, and not the way that pseudo fallen does where you go berserk, but in a way that fuck you both. that said it easier to get rid of the possession. they both have their ups and downs

>>96807255
>>96807285
Spite is specifically about causing harm or inconvenience to someone for the whole reason of doing it, whether there's a clear cause or not. It's not the same as anger and it's not something that can be considered deserved. It's more associated with envy and bitterness than hate, you can spite someone just because they had better luck than you at a game.
The powers can be whatever you consider appropriate for the emotion.

>>96807484
>Yes. Fear, Hunger and Lust (procreation) are the three primordial feels.
Hang on. Is Cassian so lecherous because of his physique? Maybe we should be more understanding of him. He might physically have an unnatural libido.

>>96807492
no, it tries to take control randomly including in life or death situations because it's an idiot who doesn't realize that's a bad idea

>>96806909
I am allowed to be a bit of a jobber, because my perfect guardian waifu is 1 stage above me will protect me and save me from harm.

>>96807496
for me it would be resilience

>>96807081
Depends on build, rage goes well with pseudo fallen, Warhound, and berserker pills though.

>>96806733
And it was stolen from luminary...

>>96804932
All that time they spend getting good at crafting is time they didn't spend cultivating, they compensate by using all the materials and spirit stones given to them to go faster, no shit load of money and near no one would bother learning the auxilliary crafts.
Keeping the unused stuffs encourage them to get better to pocket more of it and grow in cultivation while imrpoving in sklls and becoming able to craft better stuff, making them useful to stronger cultivator that need the help.
Cultivation societies are pyramid schemes made by the one that fail to keep on growing and need help to reach the next stage.

>autists cant disguinish between feelings, sensations, and other mental processes
Why am I not surprised.

How do Guardianfags feel when their protector-waifu is getting (figuratively) pounded by your enemies? As hot-blooded man, I would never stand for my woman to bleed for me while I cower behind her.

>>96807496
Also this>>96807114

>>96807562
>wants to get pounded by his enemies

>>96807562
bro your guardian is you, that's you getting pounded

fag

Personal power is superior to crafting. That’s why Dr. Eggman always loses to Sonic.

>>96807574
>would rather his waifu get pounded by his enemies instead

>>96807562
Thats why my Guardian is a big burly man

>>96807591
dick devourer....

>>96807576
First of all, I would never be a guardiansissy. Second, it doesn't change the fact that they see their guardian as a separate entity, more often a lover.

>>96807576
>wants to make part of himself a woman that gets pounded by his enemies
>calls others fag

>>96807609
>more often a lover.
>>96807594
>Thats why my Guardian is a big burly man
Hmm...

>>96807552
It's all Qualia, which I would say is valid for Heart Severing

>>96807637
no you use shadow spirit to sever your brain

>>96807562
>I would never stand for my woman to bleed for me while I cower behind her.
this is why you are a weakling and I'm going to devour your heart after my guardian reduces you to a mangled corpse

>>96807562
My methods are celestial scrolls and verdant heartwood, I need someone to protect me.

>>96807569
I see Loss

>>96807634
>The exception is the rule
>Doesn't know what "more often" means
The amount of retards here lately is astounding.

>>96807679
add the stone method so you have the druid trifecta and protect yourself

>>96807698
bro that wasn't an exception at all, it was the standard fag bragging that he's a fag statement, they do that all the time

>>96807407
Neco arc is barely female

>>96807729
>he's not retarded just gay
difference?

Has gil posted that black woman slave cyoa he promised?

>>96807466
Fear would be great if you could project fear instead of being terrified yourself

>>96807866
no

Is the fact that the guardian is a waifu really up for debate?

>>96807466
No its severing mantra(lust), thats the only way these jobbers wont die to their first enemy.

>>96804932
I don't know what I would even pick if I couldn't take Auxiliary/lost legacy

>>96807869
>Fear would be great if you could project fear instead of being terrified yourself
That's the default emotion if powerfags, so nothing would change really.

>>96807873
can someone go beat him until he does?

>>96807903
thank you for volunteering

>>96807866
Wait gil is bbw-chad? maybe he's more based that I thought...

>>96804748 (OP)
>>96804760
mhhh i want to take fated shot doctrine but then the techniques of fated shot doctrine would be rendered useless once i destroy fate later on...

>>96807883
the majority of people would have a waifu. Even women would have a husbando. Having a super powerful person protect you is fine, having that super powerful person be super hot and compatible with you is even better.
Realistically the number of people that would just want a friend in this post apocalyptic world where you know no person, are few.

>>96807931
Just change it to luck instead

>>96807935
>Even women would have a husbando.
There's no women here

>>96807931
You can't destroy Fate, silly.

>>96804748 (OP)
The guardian is (You). Making the guardian your waifu means that:
1. if she is a woman, you are a tranny.
2. if he is a man, you are gay.

>>96807944
Thats not the topic. The thing is that humans, in general, men and women, would choose their guardian to be like that. It's not a thing about 4chan men

>>96807944
The anon obsessed with sexing dogs is definitely a white woman.

>>96807954
They aren't LITERALLY you

>>96807954
I didn't have a gender, just a body
If a female body was made for part of my soul, it would be as female as the male part is male
This is not a philosophy I stumbled upon, nor was I lead by logic. T'was neccecity that lead these thoughts
If it ever at all becomes possible, I will clone myself, and when I do I need to be prepared in advance to have sex with myself. If I wouldn't do it then I wouldn't do it, and then I would just have a shitty female clone with body dismorphia who won't have sex with me

Anyway so yeah it doesn't really matter

That is it. I am bored. I have grown bored of this wuxia cyoa. Next OC, please! Move your ass, you useless authors!!

Which method is the worst?

>>96807912
is that what BBW stands for

>>96808005
The favourite of Rake, the insect one. Imagine having to pee and see your cheese dick full of wasps.

>>96808005
The sword one since even normal guns are better until stage 6

>>96808036
Why did he like that one

>>96808074
reddit brain

>>96808083
How is that reddit

>>96808113
Reddit = I don't like

>>96808113
Reddit is a hivemind

>>96807936
makes sense
>>96808005
i don't like skin shredding scripture and verdant heartwood gives you control for plats and makes you heal other people (lame)

>>96808135
Fate can't be destroyed, you can, momentarily, defeat Fate. But destroying Fate would mean destroying a concept of reality. The setting does not scale that high

>>96808153
>The setting does not scale that high
Cultivation does scale that high.

>>96808113
The love to eat the bugs

>>96807931
There are other ways to be a gunjeet.

>>96808005
A lot of the methods kind of suck desu.

>>96808153
I will destroy (((heaven's will))) and (((fate))) alongside it

>>96808166
This is not "Cultivation TM, insert X cultivation setting, it exists here and all its concepts are also here!"
Rake already said the very peak of the setting is universal. You are not destroying concepts.

>>96808181
>Universal tier concepts

>>96808181
>peak of the setting is universal
Had to ruin it

>>96808188
>The concept of Fate is a concept of the reality, of the multiverse of the setting
>But I can destroy an universe!
>You still can't destroy a concept of reality
If every cultivator at that level can destroy concepts, the whole multiverse stops having concepts at all

>>96808174
>t.Charlotte

>>96806558
and finally the third build as well
>Methods:
>Shadow-Spirit Sutra
>Tempestuous Rifts Codex
>Heavenly Celestial Scrolls
I am the inheritor of the Cataclysm, metamorphosing into a walking portal storm; by the end of my development, I will be naught but a spectre of condensed RE out of phase with conventional reality, capable of summoning devastating lightning as well as opening portals to realms of light to scout souls, or summoning the dead or even greater horrors from distant realms.
>Blessings:
>Iron Will
As I slowly sublimate into the barriers of reality itself, my mind becomes less and less recognizably human, or even conventionally sentient, making attacks that focus on the mind and perception ineffective at best.
>Innovative
I have found rare insight in the specific combination of my Methods, creating the primitive foundations of an entirely novel Method, that of the Portal Storms themselves. As of now, this only presents itself as the ability to fuse and combine my techniques in ways that none would think, but the closer I get to attaining my true form, the greater the chance I can completely fuse my Methods into a greater whole.
>Peerless Prodigy
The world still suffers from the aftereffects of the Cataclysm, and as such I naturally gather the lingering energies of the storms into my self, making cultivating an automatic response within the bounds of earth; when I fully transform into a living portal storm, I will no longer need said connection to earth, self perpetuating my own cultivation.
>Deceitful Trickster
Inheriting the Cataclysm has the added benefit that any who try to divine me or predict my actions will only see the primordial chaos that governed the storms that ravaged the earth. The more I attune myself to that same energy will let me control what is seen, snatching visions of any person who was killed in the Cataclysm.

>>96808219
Still find it funny how Charlie would've failed if she went after any of the other two Elder Gods
JNPL was the only one willing to be killed off for the story

>>96808173
Elaborate.

>>96808227
>Kind Tribulations
As the Cataclysm was a tribulation for earth and collective humanity, the subsentient laws of RE that govern tribulations see me, the inheritor of that Great Tribulation, as one of its own. It cannot go against its nature and thus still presents me with my own tribulations to overcome, but they are more encouraging, as if it is welcoming me into itself.
>Lowly Junior
The powerful see me as nothing more than another aftereffect of the Cataclysm; just as the storms faded from the earth with time, they are falsely assured that I too shall pass soon enough to not matter.
>Treasures:
>Totem of Rebirth
A trump card, in case someone is able to push past my concealments and defenses and kill me before I am able to completely sublimate my flesh into phase-shifted RE.
>Pocket Dimension
Since I’m planning on discorporating entirely, I will be leading a mostly ascetic existence, so this is essential to hold any items and equipment I need up until the point that I no longer have a body to use said physical objects.
>Stores of Wealth
Useful for trade, but mostly as stock to sell at the Grand Bazaar.
>Power Concealer
This combined with Lowly Junior and Deceitful Trickster makes it nearly impossible for anyone to meaningfully detect my presence beyond any passive effects I have, and even then it would be hard for anyone to pin said effects on me. Also, it’s useful in hiding my Doomsayer features if I ever need to interact or trade with normal humans. As soon as I fully transform I will no longer need to hide anything.
>Market Ticket
Useful to gain RE in the early stages until I have enough passive power that I can hide behind my concealment effects while still affecting others.

>>96808219
>TORTURE IS MEANINGFVL O ALGO
I decide what meaning is. Understanding the Dao is my journey alone.

>>96808237
>Grand Inheritances:
>Heavenly Conqueror Foundation
Just as the Cataclysm awakened humanity to the Three Thousand Worlds and the RE that infuses it, I am fated to become a living embodiment of that phenomenon, and travel to other virgin worlds to awaken them as well; a living, wandering storm of calamity and enlightenment.
>Void Body
I naturally feed on the RE of others to feed the nascent storm within me. While I cannot necessarily make use of the energy thus consumed, it is used in easing my ability to cultivate, solidifying my Foundation, softening my Tribulations, and providing me with Innovative and Peerless Insight.
>Companions:
>Iska
If I am to inherit the Calamity, so too should I inherit the consequences of it, a spectre of the loss I would inflict on other worlds, a living reminder that just as I will awaken others, doing so will come at great cost. She wishes to gain a body, but as I remove my own I shall show her the transcendence of a discorporated existence, being able to step between realities with ease and stay safe in the shadows of the dimensions. Eventually, I will convince her to follow me to new worlds, and absorb the memories of those that perish in the calamities I bring, a living cenotaph to those deaths required for a world’s enlightenment.
>Urul
He and I share a talent for hiding ourselves, and just as he is marked as monstrous at first sight, so too am I proclaimed as a walking prophecy of doom. He may never fully trust me, but I am truthful in my promise to deliver him back unto his plane of origin, as soon as I gain my full power over the barriers between realms.
>Events:
>Corpse King
With plenty of concealment effects and phasing protections, brute strength does little to affect me, and depending on when I encounter the king, I may have the celestial power to control the undead, either removing the danger of his armies, or enthralling him entirely.

>>96808253
>Corrupted Zone
As I become increasingly inhuman, dangerous or corruptive environs pose little and less of a risk to me. It will either be ineffective from the start, or it will be easy enough to phase the corruption or myself out of step with reality to lose any lingering effectiveness. To deal with the Fallen, I can either use celestial energies to forcibly purify him, or portal him to another realm.
>Unstable Rifts
I will claim the lingering consequences of the for myself, creating a personal realm and hub from which I can plan out which other realms I will bring the Cataclysm to next.
>Profundity in Violence
The storms of the Cataclysm left many volatile scars in its wake, and I will travel the world finding these marks and scabs, to subsume their powers and insights into my own being.
>Wandering Temple
I have no interest in repairing the temple. I will hide in the shadows and learn how the teleportation engine works, using my sublimated senses to literally feel how the temple slides between locations, and eventually entire planes. Once I have integrated the underlying mechanisms, I will shroud the engine with my presence and phase-teleport it to my newly reclaimed prison and integrate it with the controller-artifact to transform it into a motile realm.
>Complications:
>Deviated Form
From the beginning I will be consuming myself to become a discorporated being; the intermediate stages will be by nature unsettling and abhorrent.
>Lonely
As I lose my humanity, it will become impossible for others to easily recognize me or keep me in their mortal minds for long. Besides, I will have no need for mortal companionship when I truly become a force of nature, with only Iska, my partner-in-remembrance to keep me company.

>>96808153
>t.Heavenly Court

>>96808036
>>96808039
>>96808135
>>96808173
All of those are really good.

>>96808261
>Uninhibited Power
I fully embrace my nature as inheritor of the chaotic portal storms, and my mere presence will be empowered by that esoteric, eldritch pseudo-bloodline, as I inevitably transform into a sentient Cataclysm.
>Doomsayer
Fate foresaw a recurrence of the Cataclysm - no phenomenon that powerful is ever a singular event. While it is true that I will bring about the Cataclysm once again, I will not do so on earth; it has already been enlightened. Unfortunately, fate was not specific in where this Cataclysm reborn would take place, only that it would occur by my hand.

>>96808219
Can't believe she though she could dimension hop into the 3 thousand worlds after getting her ass handed to her

>>96808210
How is that worse than endlessly scaling slop?

>>96808290
At some point my dick will be too powerful for universal vaginas. Such a limitation only limits my sex life. UN playable

>>96808290
Im complaining because the ceiling is too high

>>96808327
For you.

>>96808327
What's the point of going xianxia if random isekai protagonists can still flex on you?
And when's anon dropping that isekai title cyoa?

>>96808327
that's not as bad as half the xianxia ridiculousness out there. also, rake kept it vague in the cyoa specifically so you could come up with your own endpoint if you wanted to. you're free to ignore him.

Lost legacy is trash tier.

While inside, you are also experiencing time at 10x the speed, so you are losing lifespan at 10x the speed. May as well cultivate outside. It only makes you a faster cultivator relative to others, but cultivation is ultimately a contest with yourself.

>>96806254
>Cataclysmic Cultivation is extremely generous with default protagonist powers and what you can get from blessings.
And yet anons still whined

>>96808153
Nuh uh.
>>96808269
verdant heartwood is a technique for girls, change my mind.

>>96808381
retard-kun...

>>96808363
>in my Chinese webtoons
Once again, nobody asked.

>>96808388
>verdant heartwood is a technique for girls, change my mind.
plant tentacle

>>96808415
you don't even feel what the plants touch also, flesh>plants

>>96808446
You can, you are one with the plant. And your job as a plant is to seed

>>96804748 (OP)
He should make pic related cyoa, even Nigger-Man did a Lovecraft cat cyoa.

>>96808388
>change my mind.
There's nothing really feminine about it.

>>96808527
you heal people and make plants grow instead of obliterating your enemies with raw killing intent or burning them in a raging inferno.
you do gain enchanted regeneration witch is a saving grace.

>>96804760
updating >>96799138 for hopefully the last time
>Methods
Litany of the Living Forge
Bone-Scrivened Talismanic Transcribe
> Blessings
Heaven Blessed
Merchant’s Guile
Jade Beauty
Seventh Sense
Perfect Conduit
Innovative
Deceitful Trickster
Communication Expert
Mastermind
Right to Rule
Lowly Junior
> Treasures
Portable Workshop
Omni-Compass
Essence Furnace
Spliced Tree
Market Ticket
Extradimensional Library
> Grand Inheritances
Auxiliary Master
Lost Legacy
Mentor Ring
> Companions
Marie Su
Yesod
> Events
Corpse King
Place of Power
Treasure Hunt
Passing Through
Wandering Temple
> Complications
Parasite
Fated Nemesis (Cassian)
Deviated Form (Horns)
Incursion
Minotaur’s Lair
Courting Death
Possession
Fading Away
Defective Meridians
Indebted

Full merchant build. The idea is to get really, really good at both buying and making powerful items so I can integrate them into myself, as well as sell them to supplement my cultivation directly with spirit stones.
Took Innovative to be even better at crafting, and Indebted to pay for it since I have Charisma:Yes to haggle as good a deal as is humanely possible, and can probably just tank the repayment with Lost Legacy/my own god tier money making skills if necessary.

>>96808587
>you heal people and make plants grow
so give them cancer and grow cool plants

>>96808607
You also empower other peoples techniques, pretty gay I would say

>>96808135
>skin shredding scripture
Whats not to like?

>>96808642
flood their dantains with RE and pop it like a balloon

>>96808388
You can be like Kurama from Yu Yu Hakusho. He was a very manly man, beloved by women everywhere.

>>96808644
its basically a weaker version of devourer as a method.
>>96808607
>>96808651
mind pointing me where in the cyoa says you can do that

>>96808587
>>96808642
Plants can be real scary. Carnivourus plants are a thing. You can also just parassitically absorb stuff with your roots. Depending on other methods you can do even more shit, and have massive reserves to spamm your other tecs.

>>96808839
You can also just fling pieces of that one tree that if you touch it, these venomous needles break off that make you experience agonizing pain and suicidal ideation for the rest of your life.

>>96808839
yes i know that they can be scary but how are plants going to be useful when you and your opponent are fighting 400 meters above ground?

>>96808604
>Jade Beauty
>Fated Nemesis (Cassian)

>>96808924
Grow bigger plants.

>>96808935
why do anons want to get raped so badly

>>96808924
Grow plants out of your ass

>>96808935
yes?

>>96808953
They pick Cassian because his powers are simple, he's less of an unknown. You don't need to worry that anyone you meet has been mindcontrolled by akua, you don't need to worry whether that arrogant young master has a lotus bomb from yesod, you don't need to worry if alva's stealing the corpses from the hunting grounds. If you see an ogre of a man barrelling at you at seventy miles an hour, you run. That's it. It's dangerous and difficult, but it's a known factor.

Why are anons glazing the retard rapist so much?

>>96809010
Only homosexuals pick Cassian. Real Cultivators pick Mary Sue so she can grow up and become a splendid rival.

>>96809023
Better question is, why are people so sure Cassian's going to rape anyone?

>>96809010
I think another big part that matters for how people decide their builds is that he is clearly written least sympathetically. Most other companions u could feel bad for killing them, but he is explicitly made unlikable.

>>96809010
>"hehehe, he's just a simple brute, I'm sure to win!"
>said anon, shortly before rape

>>96809026
you picked the Nameless Swordswoman as a rival, wtf are you on about?

>>96809070
He'd be that friend who's an asshole but is cool with you

>>96808777
>its basically a weaker version of devourer as a method
It let's you synthesize and improve whatever you absorb. Unlike anons they compliment each other.

>>96809023
Why does everyone assume he's retarded? He's got enough of a brain to cultivate and tries to stay out of trouble. Is it because he's direct and doesn't rely on intricate tricks?

>>96809098
Anons have to assume strong = dumb and vice versa or else their fragile self-image will crumble

>>96809023
because they read "he is practically invulnerable, at least to anything on his stage" as "he will always win against those in his stage"

he just went the unga bunga route to improve is body as much as possible with an emphasis on durability, but he has none of the fancy mind, soul, elemental attacks any other cultivator could have
you could quite easily counter him with most of the methods offered, or even just with primordial essence as it means you punch above your own stage

>>96809098
>He's got enough of a brain to cultivate
As the corpses of millions of arrogant young masters show, being able to cultivate doesn't mean you can't be retarded

>>96809098
"Smart" sissy betas hating on the actual gigachad they always claim they are

>>96809023
The core of it is that low IQ third world shitposters glorify and lionize personalities like Cassian. When they start jerking off over how he's going to rape people's builds, they are self-inserting as him. They're jerking off to pvp rape, more or less, because they are animals.

why is this general so obsessed with third worlders?

>>96809214
>third worlders
they are the authors

>As long as you're not a woman and humour him at least a little, he'll likely come around to seeing you as a kind of partner in crime, forming a genuine camaraderie.
Cassian is STRAIGHT.

>>96809214
Weaklings like try to pretend they are intelligent as a cope, so they also need someone to try to flex on at the same time.

>>96809228
So is Yujiro

If a cyoa pulls some bullshit so obtuse that you have to get a paper and pen to figure it out is that a bad thinf because it's obtuse or a good thing because it's interesting enough to make you do it?

I see a lot of frogs in the well.

>>96809228
It's not gay if it's Jade Beauty

Actually, I won already. All of you are just experiencing a flashback in your last moments, all the way back to when you were making cyoa builds on earth. In reality, I have already cut you in half and your body is about to hit the ground as soon as your flashback ends.

>>96809228
he would 100% try to rape this guy >>96809026

>>96809316
Anons... is it really over?

>>96809331
Stand proud, anon. You were strong.

>>96809098
Maybe not retarted but he's definitely short sighted as his description says his antics are going to bite him in the ass later. Plus his build puts all its egg in one basket minmaxing physical strength and durability. He is definitely in for a rude awakening later on when he gets into the level where people have mind-fuckery powers.

>>96808924
Grow plants directly INSIDE of your opponents.

Cum directly INSIDE of your opponents.

>>96809362
If you have spare cum you're doing something wrong

>>96809354
Yes exactly, people forget always forget about Pollen-fuckery when discussing plant powers. With RE magic you can make simple allergies into deadly plagues or just cause the pollen to directly sprout into plants inside of anyone who inhales them.

>>96809397
I think you meant to reply to this >>96809362 guy

>>96808924
You are only thinking in terms of natural Earth flora. What about RE mutated flora that can create giant toxic spore clouds or shoot spear sized thorns hundreds of meters?

How the FUCK do you kill a Stone-Titan

>>96809408
erosion

>>96809408
Throw him into the sun

>>96809408
Kissu

>>96809408
Who gives a fuck. No one on earth has stone-titan but you anyways. Same with every other retarded argument on this general about methods, blessing, and other retardation. The cyoa is not multiplayer. You are not fighting anyone with any of the methods the cyoa presents for you on earth.

>>96809402
No I didn't. Don't pull me into your gay discord rp faggotry.

>>96809316
>>96809331
not for me, i have other 2 phylacteries left and very close to become one with death (the concept)

>>96809408
Challenge him to a spelling contest... of death

>>96809408
Hit him with an attack strong enough to crack a mountain. Tempestuous Rifts also has spacial/dimensional distortion that could probably fuck them up by tearing the fabric of spacetime they're attached to.

The "people" who try to turn every CYOA into pvp arguments are the worst. I blame the Culling.

>>96809448
What if they also have verdan heartwood and shadow sutra

KILL ALL PVPNIGGERS

>>96809478
It's over

>>96809408
inferno
>>96809436
to be fair other DIMA agents might have the same methods. that said i don't see the reason to start a conflict with them.

>>96809493
The biggest conflict bait is the government leftovers. Even after everything, I bet the USA's giving tithes of spirit stones to Israeli cultivators.

>>96809510
I've heard enough, 10 trillion spirit stones to Israel

>>96809478
Well Tempestuous Rifts could summon something that can hit their spiritual body hard enough to break apart spiritual mountains. Once they are in pieces you just need something to fuck with their regeneration. All-Consuming Inferno or Thousand Venoms are probably the best choices presented in the cyoa but I'm sure there are others.
Or you just toss them into the depths of the Sea of Souls and say "not my problem".

>>96809510
>>96809522
this will make the primordial jew very happy

>>96809408
>Stone Titan
>Super defenses, giant size and super strength
>verdan heartwood
>super regeneration, a lot of RE to spam techniques, can drain vitality and summon plants
>Sword Singing
>a lot of skill with the sword, can predict the result of a battle, make the enemy follow what you do, increased potency in weapons, can break reality and time to make long range attacks
>Dharma weapons fits your methods and techniques
>Dharma weapon becomes as big as you in titan mode
>you are hard to damage in the first place
>you regenrate the little damage
>you control the battlefield and can make earth cutting attacks with your sword at long range

>>96809557
Jobs to Inferno Tablets

>>96809566
To be fair, they job much slower than 99% of other cultivators

>>96809566
>Cut out the part on fire
>Regenerate
Try again

>>96809571
big doesn't mean slow.

>>96809557
We already know how that fight went.

is eternal frost pages the most underrated method? i just seen a couple of build take it and basically nobody talks about it
>>96809571
fair

>>96809585
it's just boring

>>96809585
the most underrated is the swarm method.
The thing about eternal frost pages is like the fire method, but about ice.
It changes burning anyting, to freexing anything

>>96809585
I took it, I think it's one of the best, but you need to focus on that. I also didn't post my build because I don't want to be part of the constant shitposting.

Mentor Ring Methods and Lost Legacy Methods (if any) are plainly superior to any listed Method.

Instead of the Titans, you better start to think how to counter demonic shitters with Methods like BSVV. They can grow fast and jump stages. And they, much more likely than anyone else, will become your problem.

>>96809408
Satsui no Hado

>>96809629
>+300 horsepower deluxe motorcycle is plainly superior to any training tricycle
Such profound Insights... I can feel my comprehension expanding by the moment...

>>96809638
But my tricycle is the strongest.

>>96809629
Wow... Is dharma weapon better than a baseball bat from your local walmart too?

>>96809585
forst is a top tier method, but I think most people overlook it because it doesn't really have a lot of obvious synergies with other methods

I really wanted to do an inferno + frost + heavenly scroll build, but verdant heartwood is way too good to pass up so I had to scratch that idea

>>96809656
Wally World stands at the peak of the 3000 worlds as the mercantile capitol of cultivation. Even the most basic bat is 1000 times stronger there than a lowly backwater artifact.

>>96809667
You aren't forced into fire & ice duality, you can go for stasis & growth duality just fine.

>>96809667
someone already made a build like that yesterday if I'm not wrong

>>96809667
thats also 3 energy methods, 0 body methods. At least 1 of each is recommended.

>>96809667
>>96809689
Yin yang scion already did it

https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96791933/#96797399

Frost > verdant heartwood
You want to heal someone? freeze them until you have the way to heal them with pills or someone else help. Want to regenerate? why? just freeze attacks so they don't hit you.
More power output, better defenses, time fuckery. The only thing the plant method win is >>96808415

>>96809397
Scary might take False Death just in case

>>96809720
More RE though.

>>96809720
You are sleeping on being able to mess with metaphysical organs

>>96809775
what does that even mean?

>>96809720
The problem with putting some one in stasis and trying to find healing later is you are down a person until you get them healed. There are some situations where you need that injured person back in fighting conditions now, not later. Also "I won't need regeneration because I won't be hit" is like saying "I don't need a plan to win because I won't lose".

>>96809633
Am Titan can confirm. I got no beef with anybody but edgy fucks constantly go on killing sprees.

>>96809795
Prepare your anus

>>96809780
You can use heartwood to give yourself special snowflake meridians and stuff like that

>>96809688
that might not be a bad plan actually

>>96809693
>At least 1 of each is recommended.
where does the cyoa say that?
that is only more difficult when some of them don't even mention which type they are
besides, some energy methods also bring body benefits like verdant giving you regeneration or prismatic making you faster

>I freeze time
>I flex on time and break your time stop
>REEEE

>>96809808
Sticking your dick in a rock; unwise.

>>96809781
>The problem with putting some one in stasis and trying to find healing later is you are down a person until you get them healed.
like everyone else without regeneration, but it stops people from dying. You just have to win
>"I won't need regeneration because I won't be hit" is like saying "I don't need a plan to win because I won't lose".
but in this case, the frost method is obviously a very defensive and offensive method, ice in general is good in both things. So Frost has better offense, defense and hax, it also would make you harder to hurt in the first place as you can end the fight way earlier and you are harder to hit. Plant has more RE and regeneration.

>>96809818
>where does the cyoa say that?
It's not the cyoa. Logic. You are better with a more well rounded figthing style than being a one trick pony.
>that is only more difficult when some of them don't even mention which type they are
they are very obvious, the ones that are body based, are body, the ones that are controlling things outside the body, are energy based. And the ones that could be confusing, like HSM are stated as one or another.
>besides, some energy methods also bring body benefits like verdant giving you regeneration or prismatic making you faster
yes, but the body methods are better overall for the body. If you make an earth titan fight h2h with a verdant user, both of them without really using RE, or we just give RE for regeneration to the verdant guy, the earth titan simply defeats the verdant regeneration guy, that would be a punching bag.

>>96809818
>that is only more difficult when some of them don't even mention which type they are
I'm deeply concerned for you if you can't tell that without being told.

>>96809827
Im using your severed head

>>96809885
Sticking your dick in a rock; unwise.

>>96809862
>You are better with a more well rounded figthing style than being a one trick pony.
there is a point to be made on doubling down on something you are already good at.

>>96809891
>it broke already
Too easy

What do you guys think of the Dreamwalker blessing?

>>96809832
>You just have to win
That's the crux of the issue I presented. What if the person that is downed is needed to win?

>Frost has better offense, defense and hax
I'll give you better offense. But Heartwodd definitely has better defense. Regeneration is a type of defense and Heartwood is always passively regenerating while Frost has to actively try to counter. For hax... again I'd say Heartwood wins out a bit since they can fix things that would be very hard to fix like Deviations and can accelerate the growth of rare herbs and stuff that can be used for a variety of pills and such.
All the Methods are roughly equally (yes they are, they cyoa out right says so), they are just different.

>>96809905
Meh. Take if you're a spiritual build or you don't need anything else.

>>96809896
I can see going full body, but going full energy is likely to mean getting stomped on for being too squishy at some point.

Every method is equal, they just have different approaches to conflict and progress. The strongest method is whichever one works best for your build.
My build's still stronger than yours btw, all methods and GIs might be equal, but not all synergies are.

>>96809827
>>96809891
ahah, who would ever do that?

>>96809911
>That's the crux of the issue I presented. What if the person that is downed is needed to win?
Then you job. But that is such a specific scenario that is like if I say "what if you need an ice technique to win and you don't have it?".
In a fight, you should be the strongest 99% of the time within your team. If the enemy can defeat your allies and you, you die. A scenario where your weaker teammates are that much needed to have multiple lives to win, is very weird.
>But Heartwodd definitely has better defense. Regeneration is a type of defense and Heartwood is always passively regenerating while Frost has to actively try to counter.
I don't know if its automatic, you spend RE and the method talks about "they can cycle their RE..." which I think makes it seem like a choice. But anyway. Let's say for the sake of the argument its automatic.
Freezing (also in time) attacks > regenerating, as you could still instantly die because of the attack. The time/ice shield is very good. Seventh Sense plus Ice method is better than passive regeneration
> For hax... again I'd say Heartwood wins out a bit since they can fix things that would be very hard to fix like Deviations and can accelerate the growth of rare herbs and stuff that can be used for a variety of pills and such.
Thats utility outside of combat. Hax is more like very special abilities hard to counter in combat, like the time techniques. An example in anime is the Kamui of Obito in Naruto, that let him punch above his weight class because he couldn't be defeated by spatial fuckery. or Gojo of JJK
And time techniques > the hax of heartwood.

>All the Methods are roughly equally (yes they are, they cyoa out right says so), they are just different.
ye, but I like frosty more

>>96809936
OH SENSEI. What are the best synergies? Like weapon god phyique plus dharma weapon. O Grand SENSEI I ask you!

>>96810007
>SENSEI
Nah, I'm taking my secrets to the grave with me. If anyone seems like they're close to figuring them out, I'll distract them with headcanon and shitposting so I can rule alone.

>>96810027
Those are some wise words, O Grand SENSEI! I will learn under your tutelage even if you don't want to teach me, ever act of yours is full of godly intent. And hopefully I will marry your beautiful daughter just so I can be part of your family.

>>96809905
only really worth taking if you have heavenly scrolls or akashic records because you can enter this spiritual/mind realm, but then again it's very ambiguous the potential benefits of this one compared to the other safer and still strong blessings

>>96809905
It's for getting more Insight, exploration and network without the danger of meeting in person, or figure out how to meet in the first place.

>>96810037
>Implying I'm going to let my bloodline wander around so dick devourers have an easy way to get access to my kit
Any of these 'descendants' of mine you see are merely lifelike marionettes, traps I set so I'll be warned of any devourcels coming for my secrets

>>96809905
You could probably explore the Sea of Souls in a safer manner once you got strong enough

>>96810079
>>96810094
That's pretty neat

>>96810090
I wouldn't eat your daughter. I would marry her and eat her in another way. Don't worry. O Grand SENSEI

If eating blood can let you get powers with dick devourer, do another type of fluids also let you? the seduction route is now stronger

>>96809997
>In a fight, you should be the strongest 99% of the time within your team. If the enemy can defeat your allies and you, you die. A scenario where your weaker teammates are that much needed to have multiple lives to win, is very weird.
That is a very weird take. Like why are you building a team with such vastly different abilities in members that losing a person doesn't meaningfully effect the over-all performance of the team. Are you imagining all fight are just two really powerful dudes with canon fodder for friends?

>I don't know if its automatic, you spend RE and the method talks about "they can cycle their RE..." which I think makes it seem like a choice. But anyway. Let's say for the sake of the argument its automatic.
>Freezing (also in time) attacks > regenerating, as you could still instantly die because of the attack. The time/ice shield is very good. Seventh Sense plus Ice method is better than passive regeneration
Well at later stages the regeneration can bring one back from "almost total obliteration". I'm assuming usually almost total obliteration would render one unconscious. I'm pretty sure the part about cycle RE means they haven't run out of RE to spend. So I believe it's supposed to be some sort of automatic healing factor the burns RE.
As for Seventh Sense, it says it's not precise and is for sensing "when significant events, items, or people are near" so I find it doubtful it can warn you of individual attacks in combat. It's good for knowing you are about to be ambushed, but it's not going to alert you to every attack.

>Hax is more like very special abilities hard to counter in combat, like the time techniques.
Ah, if that's what you mean by hax, then Heartwood's hax are it's life draining ability. Nasty stuff. I'd say those are a coin toss.

>ye, but I like frosty more
That's fine. I'm not saying Frost is bad. It's just not "better" then Heartwood, because all the Methods are roughly equally good.

The tree thousand worlds were promised to them long ago...

>>96810147
the promised land

>>96810141
>Dick devourer finally realizes he can devour dicks for power after being called a dick devourer 100 times

>>96810192
Cute AND dumb will get her far.

>>96809667
My build is Frost/Radiant/Verdant with a Primordial Bloodline to shore up this >>96809693 problem.
Superspeed, slowing others, refracting light with ice for trickshots and traps, and reserves to last longer. Also regeneration just in case someone manages to actually hit me. I have the rest of the build ready but I don't feel like posting it.

You didn't earn those methods.
You didn't earn that inheritance.
If you're really all that, you'd win without handouts.

Frost builds are the strongest because they're faster and can freeze their opponents

>>96810287
Shut up Charlie, you didn't earn shit either.

>>96810290
fucker, not here too. I was there when these words were spammed in an aokiji vs yamato and boa

>>96810290
It's never been more over

Nuh uh, I earned everything by being born better than you. Skill issue. Try killing yourself and then being born better if you can, LOSER~

>>96810327
How do we beat her bros, I don't want to be raped by a bratty loli and forced to be her semen dispenser on Tuesdays.

>>96810290
jobs to akashic ascension

>>96810342
I pick Mondays

>>96810327
Now I can't see Loser~ without thinking of the "loser we are going to space" cyoa, good cyoa btw

Sylen, where is the update? You promised.

>>96810370
Let him cook

>>96810327
>tok
I now know who posted this >>96810141

>>96804748 (OP)
I'm still alive

Chugging along and chipping away at CYOAs

It's hard balancing my other hobbies, work, and CYOAs

But I'll have some vacation days, enough with the right staggering I can get 2 weeks off around Christmas and New Year

Hopefully I can finish Delver v2 by then

>>96810370
is that vampire D? is he ugly in the novels? (i have yet to read them)

>>96810478
Good to hear it and looking forward to Delver V2

>>96810478
I wish you luck, Ordion Anon. Thank you for your work, and for Delver v1 being so fun.

>>96804933
ive been ellipsesposting before you born, boy

threadslave...?

>>96810570
page 10

>>96810575
I want a new thread and I want it now

>>96810605
This is the last thread. It's all over.

Best secondary method for Living Forge or Machine Transcendence?