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>>96803809

>Thread Question:
What was the first army you collected?

>>96807132 (OP)
no secret santa

How do we fix them?

>>96807155
With unguents, incense, hymns and prayers aplenty.

>>96807155
They idolized ornithopters. They should've went with more cyborg hulks and proto-dreadnoughts.

So Craftworld Eldar exist solely to be fucked by Humans now, right?

>>96807155
according to comp faggots they are already "fixed"

How come I have never seen you guys discuss this novel like the other Necron novels that came out?
Was it a flop?

>>96807155
wdym, kino range.

>>96807186
Still waiting for the pirates to post it. From what I hear its fine, not as good as the other Necron novels, if only because it also has Imperium POVs too

>>96807155
females

>>96807132 (OP)
post in the real thread:
>>96807190
It has the missing links not included.

>>96807209
I can post it for you later with the audiobook if you want.

>>96807209
Piracy hurts us all.

>>96807186
It wasn't that good. Same with the Night Lords novel or the Eldar novel. All of them were aggressively mid.

>>96807155
Increase point costs and improve stats. Horde armies are the worst.

>>96807132 (OP)
>tq
First 40K army I collected was dark eldar, then blood angels, then tyranids, then chaos.

I feel like the problem with xenos is that they’re not really good at anything that the Imperium isn’t better at. Necrons have robots but so does the Mechanicus and Iron Hands, Tau have battlesuits but the Imperium has Titans and Knights which are bigger and stronger, Orks have hordes of infantry but the Imperium has infinite infantry. The Eldar have psykers, but the Imperium have stronger psykers.

>>96807233
That would be nice, thank you

>>96807243
You didn't like the Yuri between the Kemet and the insane Deathmark girl?

>>96807132 (OP)
>What was the first army you collected?
Warriors of Chaos for WFB was my first army. Space Wolves was my first 40k army eons ago. I had to sell them when I moved. It was sad.

>>96807174
Wrong.

Pretty much every xenos faction only exists because the Imperium has bigger fish to fry with Chaos. If the Imperium ever put any of their serious attention on a xenos faction, they would quickly be wiped out.

>>96807271
It will take a while as still have to drive home, take a shower and eat something so in like 3-4 hours I'll post an epub and the audiobook. If you want anything else let me know.

>>96807267
only if you downplay
>necron robots self-repair and are extremely difficult to permanently kill
>tau battlesuit are far more replaceable
>orks are extremely difficult to stamp out, have better tech than you'd expect
>typical eldar psykers do outclass typical imperial psykers like librarians

>>96807190
>>96807190
>>96807190
This page was made to avoid two links.

>>96807296
In the last Dawn of Fire novel when the Silent King bitchslaps Guilliman and exterminates his whole fleet it's revealed that the Necrons can in fact delete all life from the galaxy should they wish it and the Imperium are like bugs to them.

>>96807314
Fuck off schizo. Nobody cares.

>>96807296
>guilliman decides he can't the pariah nexus, quarantines it
>the damocles crusade was a century-long project from the high lords themselves that failed
>tyranids are ever surging
>orks
Are you one of those guys who thinks the Imperium could just virus bomb Commoragh?

>>96807326
>t.throoder
kys

>>96807318
And yet Guilliman still accomplished alll of his objectives and the Silent King couldn’t do shit to stop him, the Pariah Nexus was destroyed and the Necrons plans are in shambles.

>>96807296
>Imperium has bigger fish to fry with Chaos.
Not even chaos is just as much of a jobbers as xenos

>>96807341
Guilliman had to get bailed out by Eldrad's ambassador who had warned him not go and prepared a contingency plan. The Pariah Nexus is still active.

>>96807318
Only a complete moron who can't read would get that from the novel.

Roboute calls out the Silent King for being a posturing fool. For all his threats, he revealed himself to be not as strong as he tries to pretend to be. His puppet misspoke, revealing that the crusade elements with the Pariah Nexus endure and fight on despite all the odds.

Fleet Tetris and Primus suffered massive damage from the fleet battle, but the book ended with a strategic victory for the Imperium. A Pylon was destroyed, allowing Imperial reinforcements to swarm into the Nexus. These would be instrumental in the defeat of the Silent King in the "Crusade: Pariah Nexus" book.

So no. For the past two years, the Necrons have given us a poor showing that erased all the hype that they were given in 8th ED. The Silent King despite having every advantage, faltered before the Imperials and is now in the defensive.

>titus was captain of the second company
>replaced by cato after he got kidnapped by an inquisitor
>cato got replaced after being kidnapped by the warp
Funny how it happened twice

>>96807350
Yeah but at least Chaos has the excuse in that you can’t permanently kill them, while all the xenos factions could be permanently wiped from the map the second the Imperium willed it. What could the Necrons meaningfully do against millions of space marines when they lost a world engine to only 1,000? What could the Tau possibly do to stop 10,000 Titans from doing a Rumbling over their entire empire? What could the Dark Eldar do to stop an endless wave of quadrillions of Imperial Guardsmen from literally stampeding them to death?

>>96807368
>We have this problem now. The Nephilim Anomaly, the Pariah Nexus, call it what you will. We have achieved only a little of what we set out to do. Kallides will be joined by other battle groups, but the pylon network remains. We have failed here, Vitrian, but I cannot afford to linger to resolve this problem now. It appears we lack the power to penetrate far into this zone, so I have decided on a new strategy. We shall stop this place from growing.
>"we have failed here"

>>96807341
The Pariah Nexus wasn't destroyed, but it suffered blows when the Imperials destroyed a number of Pylons and Vashtorr, corrupting one of the Pylons. The Silent King offensive plans were thrown into shambles, but the Pariah Nexus is still active.

And remember that the Pariah Nexus they are fighting in is but one among many on the edges of the galaxy.

>>96807394
It’s Guilliman, the man is a perfectionist, he could be standing on the Silent King’s corpse and think he failed because he whiffed one of the strikes during their duel.

>>96807132 (OP)
I like orks :D

>>96807417
holy cope LMAO

>>96807417
How is he not the champion of Slaanesh?

>>96807394
Idiot, he didn't achieve everything he wanted, but the destruction of the Pylon, finding out that Kalidus lives on, and Imperial reinforcements making it inside was a strategic victory that will enable the Necron defeat in "Crusade: Pariah Nexus".

Since you can copy paste from type how comw you missed the part about the two crusade fleets not being destroyed, like you said?

>throoder thread
>it's already garbage
what a coincidence

>>96807434
Come on now....

>>96807374
That's just fundamentally not how the Imperium works. You think they can deploy millions of space marines to millions of tomb worlds? You think they can just send quadrillions of guardsmen to Commoragh?

>>96807374
>while all the xenos factions could be permanently wiped from the map the second the Imperium willed it.
Same goes for chaos, the imperium torches nurglea garden like it was nothing, the only reason any non-imperium faction still exist is because necromunda amd the horus heresy don't make enough money to justify concluding the entirety of 40k

>>96807447
What’s stopping them? The Imperium is not short on resources, they send several hundred space marines and a Titan legion to minor, irrelevent periphery mining worlds engaged in minor border skirmishes with alien empires nobody’s heard of before. The Imperium’s response to even the most minor of problems is overwhelming force. If they wanted, they absolutely could assemble their vast legions of titans and just step on everyone on their path.

>>96807445
Reverse the meme image. The DAoT technology that the Admech used in the Crusade book proved to be a match for the Necron superweapons.

Note that the Imperials are fighting with a severe disadvantage within the Pariah Nexus due to the Stilling eroding their souls and limiting their comms and Warp travel. Yet the Imperials endure and are winning.

Necrons are the frauds. So I have to agree with anons above. If it wasn't for Chaos the Necrons would have been swept clean from the sector.

>>96807447
The imperium can do whatever the fuck GW wants it to do

>>96807467
It took them a century to deploy the Damocles Crusade, which failed to take out the Tau. Coordinating the massive offenses you're talking about is not something they can do easily. The Imperium being slow and inefficient is a defining aspect of it.

>>96807186
Afaik it was just kinda alright. Nothing really big or controversial to stir the pot like with the Night Lords book. Not bad, but not notably fantastic.

>>96807511
Antrakyr being shown as a dick isn't a big deal?
> like with the Night Lords book
What was in the Night Lords book?

>>96807471
This is the funniest cope I have read here in a while.

The entire Pariah Nexus incident was manufactured by the Ynnari so that Guilliman would be more susceptible to a diplomatic approach, giving Yvraine a better chance to acquire his "geneseed".

>>96807606
Read "Crusade: Pariah Nexus".
Being ignorant of lore you dislike is the ultimate cope. The last bit is delicious.
The Silent King is said to be on the verge of defeat.

>>96807486
I’m not talking about Damocles, but rather Taros. A single, insignificant mining world of only 12 million people, still got a whole Titan legion and some 400 space Marines or so.

This is not the sign of a decaying empire. This is what a rising empire looks like. The Imperium has so many resources that Titans are considered disposable.

>>96807693
>ELDAR WIN AGAIN

>>96807703
>a whole Titan legion
It was like three warhound titans. It wasn't a whole titan legion. The moment the Imperials lost one the warhound titans they evac'ed the two remaining off-world.

>>96807693
Where does /tg/ stand on the Necron civil war? Are we rooting for Imotekh or Szarekh?

>>96807750
Szarekh is a bitch with a stupid hat.

>>96807750
Doesn't matter, the emperor will force them to flee the galaxy along with all the other xenos that aren't the orks or tyranids

>>96807741
4 titans is considered a legion, it works the same way a tank platoon does, and it’s not like they gave a shit about the lost Titan, they’ve lost entire Titan legions fighting against the Tau before, they’re disposable.

>>96807693
Not really.
Imotekh won by doing literally nothing. Imotekh was getting steadily more political support due to the Silent King's faltering war effort against the humans.
The Silent King marshalled his forces for a major attack against the humans and sanctioned the technomandrites to unleash their superweapons against the humans in a bid to end the war with the humans fast and win back political capital. While this was happening, Imotekh withdrew his forces and watched things transpire.
The usage of the Necrons' superweapons and the DAoT weapons the Admech unleashed in response empowered Vashtorr (who was manipulating both sides) enough to smash his way into the Pariah Nexus and corrupt a Pylon. The Silent King's offensive stalled and he was routed.
The use of the Technmandrites' superweapons proved to be a scandal among the Necrons nobility, causing some dynasties to switch sides to Imotekh, whom they considered to be an exemplar of Necron honour thanks to the propaganda campaign Imotekh masterminded.

As the Silent King was reeling from his defeat and considering his options, Imotekh remused his war with him.

So Imotekh allowed the Silent King to shoot himself in the foot.

>>96807776
>they’ve lost entire Titan legions fighting against the Tau before, they’re disposable.
The never happened. Ever

>>96807868
Damocles, a Titan Legion was lost before it could make land. And anything the Imperium loses while fighting the Tau is something you know that the Imperium doesn’t particularly care about.

>>96807906
>Damocles, a Titan Legion was lost before it could make land.
Fucking source that now.

>>96807750

I would really prefer for Xenos to stop having named characters altogether

>>96807186
Robots make for lame protagonists.

>>96807750
I don't like big leaders, so I automatically stand more with Imotekh.

So all Taufags are pretty much just xenophiles, furfags, and weebs who don’t understand the appeal of the setting

>>96807656
>The last bit is delicious.
Ah so you were just shitposting. Anyway, lol.

>>96808044
Same goes for Eldarfags, but replace furries with elves.

>>96807419
Orks are worth liking.

>>96808044
Tau are just a miniature imperium, so they understand the appeal of the setting just as much as you do, primarch capeshitter

>>96808066
Schizo

>>96808099
The Tau are thought of no differently to the Imperium than if they just discovered a new species of rats on a random planet, the Imperium find them to simply be a nuisance.

>>96808120
Cope, eldarfag.

>>96808099
The Tau are the Imperium, but without the giant mountain-sized castle-robots, living demigods, space wizards, and cyborgs.

In other words, the Tau are the Imperium if you took out everything cool in the Imperium.

>>96808131
I accept your concession schizo

>>96808120
The bitching and moaning about their new book did kinda reveal that the Eldarfags here are out of touch.

>>96808121
Everyone in the setting thinks that about everyone else in the setting, except maybe the orks? The tau think they can take ultramar.
>>96808154
>the giant mountain-sized castle-robots,
They have those, just smaller, like I said, the tau are the imperium but bite sized >cyborgs.
Tau have those too, just not as overt. Bite sized imperium
>Primarchs and psykers
Literally the worst parts the setting in general
So yeah tau are the imperium in miniature

>>96808200
The setting is a science fantasy setting. Space magic and demigods are part and parcel of the setting. Having a faction like the Tau that refuse to play along and just try to shoot their way through every problem with sci-fi guns does not fit the setting. Everybody uses magic, it’s the appeal of the setting.

>>96808178
>The bitching and moaning about their new book
Came mainly from marinefags like all the bitching and moaning in this hobby

>>96808178
Eldarfags loved that book. Eldar job like always, the MC is a whiny bitch BUT they are gay and brown now so all is good!

>>96808236
Yeah the appeal of 40k is totally about magic and primarch slop! I can see it displayed clearly on the original box art!

>>96808045
I have no idea what you are talking about, you idiot. The last bit I am referring to is the last paragraph in the Crusade book which underlines how much fucked the Silent King is.

Don't @ at me. You are just some dipshit lorelet

>>96808265
>and brown
I'd rather job x40,000 than have 1 brown character in my faction, say it isn't so

>>96808154
>giant mountain-sized castle-robots
There was a future vision of Tau piloting titan-sized suits.
>living demigods,
They have an active goddess, who has recently kidnapped hundreds of Chaos marines with the implication of mind raping them to serve the Greater Good.
>space wizards
The Tau have psychic corps that they created after the Damocles Crusade. They just have no representation in the TT.
>cyborgs
Farsight is a cyborg.

>>96808298
Got a pdf of it you can share?

>>96808371
It's available on the pdf archive sites.

>>96808414
So can you share it

>>96808298
>how much fucked the Silent King is
You make me sick

>>96808445
I could, but piracy hurts us all.

>>96808465
So no, got you.

>>96808445
https://gprivate.com/6isqj

So in one of the Ynnari novels a doomed Eldar craftworld voluntarily all become genestealers to protect their souls from Slaanesh. Do you think the emperor could protect Eldar souls if they injected themselves with human dna or something?

>>96808475
Could? Sure. Would? lol no fuck ayyys the galaxy belongs to big human men

>>96808475
The Broodmind protected them from Slaanesh by acting as a quasi-Infinity Matrix.
Humans have no gestalt minds, so no.

>>96808473
Yes, i have tried that.
I can get the rules just fine, a full scan with lore is missing

>>96808475
The Emperor would destroy their souls by the millions just so he could stop having to eat Human psykers for a while.

>>96808493
I'm actually pretty sure this could work, the issue is that the emperor wouldn't protect Eldar souls. He is a human god for and by humans. As a psyker he personally disdained xenos, and the nascent god born from the worship of him has hatred for xenos as a central tenet of its faith.

Although for the sake of argument you could feed Eldar souls to him via the Golden Throne. Who knows what would happen, they're much more nutritious. Maybe if the Eldar truly became human in some way

Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.

>>96807151
Speaking of, 10 days left to sign up for secret santa if you plan on participating!

>>96808514
The Emperor is not protecting human souls except special ones like Celestine, bro.
It's shown over and over across dozens of novels that human souls fill the Warp, being dissolved into nothingness or feeding the daemons.

The great weapon that the Black Legion dot in the early Dawn of Fire books is a spiritual cannon that weaponizes the outrage of Imperial souls in the Warp over the Emperor not saving them

>>96808568
I didn't say he was. But it isn't true that he couldn't absorb power/Eldar souls that were pledged to him. He absorbs tons of souls now

DESU given the stated mechanics of how the warp works it doesn't make sense that human souls aren't absorbed by the emperor. It just wouldn't be grimdark enough for god to gather the souls of all his faithful followers. Cegorach is far weaker than the emperor and even he can take the souls of Harlequins.

The way I would justify it if I were GW is that his psyche is too fractured to seek out human souls before they dissolve in the warp or something along those lines

>>96808636
The Emperor doesn't absorb souls randomly from the Warp.
He eats the thousand souls of weak psykers being fed to him daily by the machinery of the Golden Throne. This is done since his dying body can no longer be sustained by normal food. He needs the life force of psykers so that his body can continue to function.

>>96808662
Im telling you Leman Russ is going to stab the Emperor with the Dionysian Spear and he will reincarnate, mark my words.

>>96808465
>piracy hurts us all
Oh its you

>>96808662
I am aware of that, he is still absorbing their souls. He is not entirely a warp entity because he is tethered to his physical body in the materium. You can also say that prevents him from doing some things nominally less powerful warp entities can do if you want to justify things, but I still think it doesn't really make logical sense.

In any case, it isn't correct that Bucharis' Gift uses souls angry over not being saved. It's powered by being made from the bones of specific people on a shrineworld that was corrupted by chaos and powerful chaos artifacts.

>>96808707
>In any case, it isn't correct that Bucharis' Gift uses souls angry over not being saved. It's powered by being made from the bones of specific people on a shrineworld that was corrupted by chaos and powerful chaos artifacts.
It literally summons angry Imperial ghosts and fire them at a target. The bones are the summoning locus.

>>96808707
>he is still absorbing their souls
He isn't. The excerpt describing the Golden Throne process makes itbclear; thecsouls sacrificed him are destroyed, not absorbed. The Throne essentially juices the victims of energy until nothing is left.

>>96808743
You're really splitting hairs here t b h. He is capable of absorbing the energy from different souls and also gathering the souls of various saints and warriors in the warp. There's literally no reason to think he couldn't gather other souls. It does not make sense. Anti-emperor wank is just as silly as emperor-wank. This is why stuff like Godblight is good, I grew tired of this shit years ago

>>96808799
>He is capable of absorbing the energy from different souls and also gathering the souls of various saints and warriors in the warp.
Not indefinitely. Each time Celestine dies, a part of her soul is lost forever to the daemons.
The Legion of the Damned need to replinish their numbers since they can be killed forever.

>>96808832
>Each time Celestine dies, a part of her soul is lost forever to the daemons.
Are you just pulling this out of your ass now

>>96808799
>Anti-emperor wank is just as silly as emperor-wank.
It's not, because if the Emperor has no drawbacks then that puts the Imperium at an absurd advantage over literally everyone who isn't Chaos. GW literally killed Ynnead and the Ynnari to stop the Eldar from getting such an advantage, while the Hive Mind has been nerfed, Gork and Mork are left not being touched on, and the Tau Goddess is dubious at best. Giving the Emperor his own realm of 'saved' souls broaches dangerously close to AoS territory.

>>96808850
Yes, as I said, it's not Grimdark enough if he just saves all loyal souls. That doesn't mean it is internally consistent. Sometimes writing is just bad

>>96808843
No. READ!

>>96808850
I wonder if you would talk this tuff about him if he were standing in front of you.

>>96808869
Demons are so stupid....ooooo something good and righteous! Nom nom nom!!!!! ARGHGHGHG ME BAD!! I just want to stomp them into red meat for eternity.

>>96808894
>>96808873
Is this autism or underage?

>>96808873
I fuckin' would, since if he was in front of me I'd know I'm fucked either way.

>>96808897
Neither, I am just shootin the breeze with my peeps. Although demon lore does annoy me, they're just so dumb you know?

>>96808236
Necrons and Dark Eldar don't use space magic though.

>>96808044
The Imperium in all its gothic grandeur is the core appeal of the setting for most people. This is even true among tabletop players, but it's x100 among people that don't play the wargame. There is something iconic about gigantic floating cathedrals, the macabre art, there is nothing else really like it. If there were more focus on xenos then it would just be standard space elves, edgy space elves, monsters, etc

>>96808958
That would imply the Sisters are the most popular faction though. Marines aren't gothic

>>96808865
To add to this, it's why I head canon stuff about his fractured psyche being the main limiting factor he has along with him constantly holding back the 4 gods of chaos and preventing them from doing more in the materium. Otherwise there's no logical reason he wouldn't be the most powerful being in the setting *by far. * People forget that he could power the astronomicon from halfway across the galaxy as a human psyker.

>>96808044
>posts guilliman of all people

>>96808983
Some of them are, but they are also the poster boy soldiers for the imperium.

>>96808994
Come on Gman is the golden boy, be honest after Sanguinius his death would be the most heartbreaking to read about, especially if it was gruesome or sexual in nature.

Eldar Farseer who comes up with a plan to to get Imperium humans to worship Isha in a human incarnation and thus tie the Eldar to humanity, allowing the emperor to save their souls and free Isha

>triumph of st katherine exists
>st celestine exists at the same time
So which one has the fake set of armour?

>>96808850
>s dubious at best. Giving the Emperor his own realm of 'saved' souls broaches dangerously close to AoS territory.

Would that really be such a bad thing? I kind of prefer the AoS level of darkness to 40k. Maybe that's an unpopular opinion, I don't know, but "chaos is destined to win" is more boring to me than a dark setting where nothing feels fixed.

>>96809009
It's just funny posting Guilliman to shit on the Tau for not getting the appeal of the setting. You know, the guy who doesn't like the gothic religious shit everywhere and hates what the Imperium has become in 40k, and is supposed to represent a bright spot in the galaxy that might be crushed by the grimdark reality

they're also both blue

>>96809022
Leman Russ appears outta nowhere and stabs Isha in the forehead with the Dionysian Spear causing her to explode.

>>96809022
>The first planet the Farseer attempts to enact the plan on is secretly home to a Slaaneshi Cult that captures and rapes the Farseer to death because She Who Thirsts hid their presence from the premonitions
>As a treat Slaanesh makes sure to drag the Farseer's soul across Nurgle's domain to let the Farseer glimpse Isha screaming in agony as Nurgle forces the latest batch of plagues into her

>>96809052
>>96809055
The Duality of mental illness

Wasn’t sure which thread is the main. Are the crusade supplements good content to potentially use when setting up a long term campaign? Anyone with experience willing to chime in?

>>96809044
Guilliman has no issue with the gothic aesthetic. That stuff dates back to 30k. What he hates is the religion and superstition

My opinion of everyone in the Pariah Nexus storyline is that they all came out of it legitimately looking like idiots. Lord I hate BL.

>>96809052
I think the funniest part of this is that it would really solidify Russ as being the worst Primarch. The man does nothing right and has the most false bravado riding behind every stupid action he makes.

>>96809092
Killing a xenos god IS doing right.

>>96809096
He's had a hard on for Leman Russ for over a week.

>>96808894
>>96808897
>>96808927
furry retard sparkle dog autism

>>96809076
He hates cherubs

>>96809096
There are a bunch of those on Fenris so Russ really needs to look inward. Which is the one thing he’s incapable of doing. I wish he was as cool as modern Space Wolves who aren’t nearly as much of a raging faggot as he is.

>>96809142
What is your army of choice anon?

>>96807313
>tau battlesuit are far more replaceable
lmao no they aren't
The Imperium has more Titans than the Tau have infantry, let alone battlesuits. The Tau are a small insignificant nuisance. The greatest moment the Tau ever had was that their name was mentioned once by Guilliman and never brought up again because they don't matter at all.

>>96809160
no amount of cope will make the damocles crusade less of a failure

>>96809168
That might bother the Imperium if they had committed a force that was larger than a rounding error.

why don't space marines have chaff units

>>96809244
It's called the Imperial Guard.

>>96809244
its called firstborn and scouts

Why yes, I do listen to bolt thrower when painting my warhams. those once loyal is their best work

>>96808927
artisanal bait

>>96809249
>>96809275
you can't run guard in space marines and firstborn/scouts are still part of the companies which is limited to 1000

>>96809244
Because space marines are for low IQ individuals.

The problem with the Tau, fundamentally, is that they bring the worst kinds of fans into the game.

When you think of the Imperium, you think of giant walking cathedrals with holy weapons and living machine spirits anointed by sacred oils. You think of ancient sorcerers dipping into the magical powers of the collective psyche of humanity to bring forth reality-bending changes. You think of holy warrior demi-gods wreathed in gilded armor taking to the field with a divine brotherhood and warrior code to engage in a sacred and ritualistic slaughter.

The Imperium, along with every other faction, is mystical, they're sacred, they engage with the fantastical and religious elements of the setting.

And then you have the Tau, who look like they just wandered in from a military sci-fi setting, and think everything can be solved with bullets. It degrades the setting by not having them immediately be slaughtered to a man for their hubris.

>>96809385
>from a military sci-fi setting, and think everything can be solved with bullets.
bro

I'm a newfag to game, so bear with me, but the primary conflict of the setting is the galactic civil war between the Lawful Evil faction and the Chaotic Evil faction right? While all the Xenos factions I've read about so far, are different varieties of Neutral Evil side plots? I haven't read anything specific about the Orks or Dwarfs or Elfs yet, but I'll read about each in depth eventually, but are there any factions in the game that aren't evil? Or is the whole point that war=bad and all factions are kill-or-be-killed contestants? I bought a bunch of different boxes from different teams to paint based on what I thought looked cool and would be fun to paint, not knowing anything about them, and figured I'd then decide what codex to get and army to build more of after I finished them all. But man, this game is fucked up. The core rule book really needs to come with an appendix or something just to explain and translate all the made up words.

>people are still salty about tau
Lmao

>>96809430
More than twenty years and they're still at it

>>96809414
The Imperial Guard still has the power of the God-Emperor backing them up and they still have psykers, demi-gods, and religious mechs supporting them or commanding them.

>>96809424
>but are there any factions in the game that aren't evil? Or is the whole point that war=bad and all factions are kill-or-be-killed contestants?
Yes they all pretty much hate each other, temporary alliances

>>96809424
All of the factions are evil, but not equally so

Generally in terms of most to least evil you have:
>Dark Eldar > Chaos > Tyrannids > Orks > Necrons > Tau > Eldar > Imperium

Black Templars: Low IQ, low-key fascist
Blood Angels: Based aesthetically
Dark Angels: Gay old-ugly-ass primarch.Reasonable IQ
Deathwatch: Cool aesthetically.
Grey Knights: Moderate IQ
Imperial Fists: Tank autists
Iron Hands: Higher end of the space marine IQ spectrum. Likely 3D prints their models
Raven Guard: Meh, boring. Their helmets are kind of boring too.
Salamanders: Highest IQ of all space marine players
Space Wolves: Meh but p cool
Ultramarines: Midwit
Sororitas: Gigabrain or gigahorny
Custodes: Alternate colour schemes high iq
Mechanicus: Excellent
Militarum: P chill person
Imperial Agents: Artistic taste
Knights: Low-functioning autism

>>96809438
Glad we're in agreement then

>>96809438
>The Imperial Guard still has the power of the God-Emperor backing them up and they still have psykers, demi-gods, and religious mechs supporting them or commanding them.
psykers have never been a major player in guard
what do you mean by demi-gods? cause i don't see any in guard
they don't have the religious mechs, thats more part of the inquisition and knights. which are not part of the guard

they at least have abhumans, but most regiments don't touch them

Chaos Daemons: Based and unfortunate, probably old on average.
Chaos Knights: Higher functioning autism than imperial.
Chaos space marines: Meh unless custom
Death Guard: They like horror films
Emperor's Children: Not even a faction, you have like 3 minis
Thousand Sons: Soft boys
World eaters: Old and the disabled
Aeldari: Based or trans (not mutually exclusive)
Drukhari: Based or trans (not mutually exclusive)
Genestealer Cults: Poor you. Pretty cool though
Leagues of Votann: Why do people like dwarves?
Necrons: A reeasonable choice
Orks: Probably older, again
Tau: Based and highest IQ of all players.
Tyranids: Based and highest IQ of all players.

>>96809476
>psykers have never been a major player in guard
But they are a major player with space marines who are frequently deployed with the Guard

>what do you mean by demi-gods?
Primarchs and space marines, frequently deployed with Guard.

>they don't have the religious mech
Titans do, and they're frequently deployed with the Guard.

>>96809498
>he actually considers marines and guard one and the same
that's certainly a way to view it, not a way GW or anyone else does, but its certainly a way

Wracks 17, 18 & 19 ready, only 11 more left.

I wonder, will DE play a major part in incoming plot? The TS sorcerer opened a passage to Shaa-Dom, one of the parts of Commorragh.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Shaa-Dom

>>96809455
>Imperium less evil than Eldar
>Imperium less evil than Tau
Lol

>>96809530
I only just realized a bit ago the reference with Shaa-Dom and Commoragh

>>96809538
Eldar are gay, Tau even more. That automatically makes Imperium good guys.

>>96809530
What's your skin recipe for these?

>>96809519
You can't really separate them like that. In 95% of conflicts the Space Marines deploy with the Guard, and usually with Titans as well. They cover each others weaknesses. Need something shot? The Guard can do that. Need something banished to the warp? The Space Marines can do that.

The problem with the Tau is that shooting things is their ONLY option, so they should logically die to the first enemy that doesn't die to bullets.

>>96809345
>scouts are still part of the companies which is limited to 1000
nope. 10th company can be any size.

>>96809424
Craftworlders are lawful neutral
Tau are lawful neutral
Orks are chaotic neutral
Dark eldar are neutral evil

I guess you could say the harlequins are chaotic good?

>>96809631
Jesus christ you're a massive secondary or maybe even a sloptube tertiary

>>96809538
The Tau employ brainwashing and propaganda. They're the same evil as the bad guys in Brave New World. Sure, they give you pleasure, but what's the point of living a comfortable life if you don't have freedom?

>>96809617
-Black primer
- 50:50 Black/72.050
- 72.050
- 72.144
- 72.148

All paints from Vallejo. I thin them quite a bit. You want very delicate coverage.

>>96809649
>sloptube tertiary
My nickname for your mother

>>96809649
The point is ya doofus the Imperium can't be said to rely on guns to solve their problems, they very much use mystical solutions frequently

>>96809649
I exclusively consume Warhammer lore from AI sources.

>>96809455
What makes the Necrons or Tyranids more evil than the Imperium? The Nids are just a hungry animal and Necrons seem like they just wanted to sleep after making a terrible mistake, but we're woken up by a galactic industrial murder machine and are grouchy about it. The Druk are obviously cruel and malicious, but do they delete whole planets or commit genocide on anywhere close to the same scale as the Imperium is said to? I assume the other elves are evil because of the Slanneesh thing, but I haven't read into that yet. Considering that the Traitor/Loyalist thing is an ongoing human civil war and the Emperor would seem to get more kills in his name than any of the other Chaos gods do, I'd rank the Imperium as the most evil faction, but I'm just dipping my toes in still, and I suppose it's subjective. Orks seem to be the only faction that laughs and has fun within the setting so maybe they are actually the "least evil" ?

>>96809709
>the Imperium as the most evil faction

>>96809709
>What makes the Necrons or Tyranids more evil than the Imperium?
The survival and dominance of humanity is a natural good. You can disagree but at the end of the day you are a human so it is a natural desire to want humans to be on top and every other race to be exterminated so they can't be a threat.

Thus the Necrons and Tyranids are ontologically evil, because they oppose humanity, even if they would do the same things humans do.

>>96807186
It won't top the 300 page novella so why bother

>>96809471
I'll never understand how anyone could betray their race by siding with the Tau. You're literally cucking your entire species to live under the Ethereals.

>>96809794
I hate humanity.

>>96809794
>Imperium makes me work 14 hour days with threat of someone summarily executing me or my family because they're on their period or whatever
>Tau don't
Simple as

>>96809812
Enjoy living with the knowledge that all of your descendants will be executed for being race traitors as soon as the Imperium decides to spare the Tau more than a millisecond of thought and wipes them out.

you fags really split the thread?
this general is beyond saving

>>96809834
In universe random low level workers don't know if that will happen, they'll never leave their home town

>>96809834
are you implying that would not be a possibility if someone were to side with the imperium to the end?

>>96807427
>How is he not the champion of Slaanesh?
He would be if he got pushed over the edge like his 'brothers' did.
But "Primarch 40k" is gay marvel slop.

>>96809717
Well, by death toll, yeah? Are the spiky ugly machine guns that killed 10,000 more evil than the gilded and pretty machine guns that killed 10,000,000? Obviously killing things like Tyranids or Orks or Communists doesn't count, or anyone whose ever slapped a mosquito would be considered evil, but as far as Human Death is the metric, isn't the Imperium itself the leading cause of death in this universe?

>>96809845
In the Imperium, some of your descendants might die, possibly from a false accusation.

But in the Tau? Every single one of your descendants is guaranteed to die. Whether it be from the Imperium wiping them out, or a hive fleet, or Necrons, or something else. But most likely it will be the Imperium that finishes off the Tau.

>>96807427
>>96809858
He's too weak. Slaanesh wanted Fulgrim and the Khan.

>>96809834
>imperium needed to spend a century to get together a crusade to crush the young and weak tau
>couldn't get past one planet
they couldn't destroy them now that they're far stronger even if they wanted to

>>96809859
>Yea anon sure, right this way I want to show you something. That's it just behind this door....BANG!
Whew...close one...

>>96807186
>>96807209
>>96807271
https://gofile.io/d/USUkE9
https://gofile.io/d/TYDWAF

Sorry it's a bit late.

>>96809900
It doesn't take the Imperium a century to do anything, if there was a century for the Damocles crusade to gather it was because it was on the bottom of a huge pile of administratum paperwork because it was so low priority, and you can tell that it is by the number of units that were assigned to it. Only a few titan legions and a mere 5 Space Marine companies is nothing, call me when the Imperium dedicates 50,000 space Marines to fighting the Tau.

Two threads?

>>96809631
>In 95% of conflicts the Space Marines deploy with the Guard, and usually with Titans as well.
That is really not true at all. The Guard primarily deploys by itself. The kind of coordinated campaign you're talking about is not the norm.

The imperium can't coordinate 50 chapters anymore

>>96809928
the other thread maker had a melty over the fulgrim OP picture

>>96809920
50000 space marines fighting the tau would be the most retarded waste of resources possible considering how hard they get mogged by battlesuits which are produced in the millions

>>96809920
The Damocles Crusade was ordered by the High Lords of Terra themselves.

>>96809865
The Imperium is doomed too though

>>96809929
>The kind of coordinated campaign you're talking about is not the norm.
It absolutely is the norm.

The Taros campaign was an extremely minor border skirmish over a mining world of only 12 million people that had no strategic value to the Imperium.

Despite this, the Imperium still gathered 20 Imperial Guard Regiments, 3 companies of Space Marines, and a Titan legion to reclaim it. All for a planet the Imperium never heard of and didn't care about.

>>96809908
thanks anon, appreciate it

>>96809947
>The Imperium is doomed too though
Hardly, the Imperium is growing, they're taking hundreds of worlds a day, far more than they're losing.

>>96809970
they just lost half of the imperium, anon
>far more than they're losing.
proofs?

>>96809935
It took 1 MILLION Tau to distract a force of 1,000 Ultramarines. Not defeat, distract, the Tau were ultimately routed.

Thus, each space marine is worth about 1,000 Tau, and you know those Tau would've had battlesuits amongst them as well.

>>96809984
They didn't lose it, Guilliman put Dante in charge of the Nihilis and he's fixing shit.

>>96809987
when did the full ultramarines chapter fight the tau?

>>96809987
>>96809956
Numbers in 40k are retarded and inconsistent. he actual text establishes the Imperium is slow to respond to threats outside of immediate local threats.

>>96810000
The Zeist Campaign, Cato Sicarius and 1,000 marines routed a Tau force of 1 million Tau.

>>96810012
really makes you think

>>96809998
Why did he put Dante in charge? Did he consider others like Calgar or Logan Grimnar? Anyway Isn't that half of the galaxy in Abaddon's hands?

>>96810019
While it did turn out to be a 'distraction' by the Tau to concentrate the Space Marines into a single area while they conquered other planets, the very fact that it take 1 MILLION Tau to DISTRACT a mere 1,000 Space Marines is proof enough that the Tau are pathetic weaklings. Put together a force of 1 million Guardsmen and those 1,000 Space Marines would be swiss cheese in seconds.

>>96810040
>Put together a force of 1 million Guardsmen and those 1,000 Space Marines would be swiss cheese in seconds.
proofs?

In fact, let's do the math. If it takes 1 million Tau to merely distract 1,000 Space Marines, then to distract all 3 million Space Marines it would probably take...

3 TRILLION TAU

And that's JUST for the Space Marines, you still have tens of thousands of Titans and quadrillions of Guardsmen.

>>96810040
That's 5th edition shit and probably not even canon right now as it was never mentioned after that.

>>96809743
The survival of humanity or the survival of the Imperium? Any humans that disagree with the Imperium are branded Traitors or Heretics and murdered, or worse. I know it's on purpose for the grim darkness, but the Imperium is a Necessary Evil or a Lawful Evil at best, but still fundamentally evil in action and behavior.

>Lorefag slopthread
Hans, fire up the gas chambers.

>>96810062
bahahahahah! Copezilla makin an appearance.

>>96810012
This wasn't only Ultramarines but multiple chapters.

>>96810063
They are one and the same. Anyone who stands against the Imperium is at the end of the day fundamentally a race traitor, and anyone who stands with them is a hero to their race. Everything that the Imperium does, whether it be slavery or genocide or torture, is necessary for the survival of the human species. If you can't put aside the needs of your own family and self for the greater needs of your race, then you're not a man, you're a castrated little worm.

>>96810040
the tau garrison at dal'yth wiped tens of millions of guardsmen, and farsight's counter-invasion killed billions of skitarii at vior'los

>>96810106
>wiped tens of millions of guardsmen
There's quadrillions of Guardsmen, that's so insignificant it doesn't even amount to a single drop in the bucket.

>>96810127
but they can't be deployed to one front at once so it doesn't really matter
hell tau farm guardsmen for breakfast, for instance:
>The war in the Canis Salient has ground to a brutal stalemate, with the Imperium unable to gain significant footholds within the Greyhell Front, and the Tau forced to employ every trick and stratagem they know to fend off the Crusade's forces. The endless conflict has seen hundreds of billions of Imperial Guardsmen dead to the guns of the Tau and the paranoia of their commanders, and morale has been slipping for years.

>>96810127
The latest figures put them in the quintillions now.

>>96810134
That's just further proof of how weak and pathetic the Tau are desu.

Hundreds of billions of Guardsmen dead....and all it manages to accomplish is 'morale is slipping'.

>>96809920
>It doesn't take the Imperium a century to do anything
correct, it usually takes multiple centuries for anything to get done

>>96810170
That's more of an informed attribute than anything. The Imperium is actually quite well ran, mistakes by the administratus are rare and they're usually quite speedy with their responses.

>>96810177
>The Imperium is actually quite well ran, mistakes by the administratus are rare and they're usually quite speedy with their responses.
lol, bro is living in his own little version of 40k where the Imperium isn't the worst regime imaginable, as stated by Word of God
can't blame you though, every source from books to codexes can't keep itself consistent on whether the Imperium is a corrupt, bloated, dying carcass of a government or suddenly run by competent hypergeniuses.

What could go wrong?

>>96810177
The Inqueerium of Man is careening into oblivion, pretending they are good at anything other than killing is laughable.

Reminder:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R66Rqe_hrI

>>96810209
And yet this supposedly decaying empire can still manage to leisurely saunter into the Silent King's realm, fuck up his shit, and leave after damaging his prized Pariah Nexus

>>96810219
that's a cool fanfic but you should be posting it on ao3 instead

Why is anon seething about Tau?

>>96810258
because he's a low effort shitposter fishing for (You)s

>>96810268
Some people are humorless

>>96810200
is that Rogal Dorn?

>>96810092
You would feed your family into a wood chipper to "save" your race of mass murdering psychopaths and call yourself a hero for doing it? Slave brain.

Which edition will the Emperor actually die and become irrelevant?

>>96810377
Your race is your uniform. If you would put the needs of your family above the needs of your race, you're not a good person, you're just a traitor.

>>96810411
I feel stupider than even that most of the time.
I tried to charge world eaters last game

>>96810258
where have you been the last 10 threads

>>96807932
This but Space Marines.

>>96809530
Around wracks, NEVER relax.

>>96810437
based

>>96810377
People like you have this fake black and white morality that's been twisted so betraying your people is some kind of moral deed, but then you'll act shocked and hurt when someone says you should be the next guy in the firing line with the Commissar's gun leveled at your head.

>>96810437
>I tried to charge world eaters last game
Well I bet those 'zerkers didn't see that coming.

>>96810518
You just know these faggots would object to the idea of a child snitching on their parents to the state.

>>96810589
He's just a taufag.

>>96810518
Lol, okay. So Black Templars?

>>96810366
Dumbfuck

>Post non-canonical anime girl versions of Tau and refuse to take anything seriously most of the time
>Until you point out how retarded and stupid their faction is, then they get all defensive and whiny
Taufags are the worst part of the 40k fandom.

>>96810589
Women deserve the same representation that men get in Warhammer, its time for female Marines.

>>96810518
You aren't taking this personally are you? I'm just curious and learning about how people look at the Imperium when it's presented in the first pages of the Core Rule book as profoundly twisted and evil, and not Pro-Human at all. I picked up about 1000pts of Marines,Sisters, DKK, Druhkari, Necrons, Nids and CSM each, plus about another 500pts worth of Agents, but I don't have any codexes yet. I figured I'd get each one when I finish painting them, but that feels backwards now. I kind of want to get some Orks too, but definitely not into Tau.

>>96810678
Holy chest, batman

>the Ultramarines got a new victrix guard box
>except it can also be converted to be Ultramarines Captain or Ultramarines ancient, so unlike Blood angles or black templars you don't hae to buy a separate box for your Special Ancient or captain, you can jussut buy more victrix guard
This is exactly what I've been saying they should do with other shit, like how the hounds of morgay are just phobos guys+space wolves uptard sprue. It is overwhelmingly not a difficult thing for them to release a Captain on Bike and then a Khan on Bike that's just that sprue+white scars upgrade, but they refuse these very simple compromises except for the Ultramarines who get a fully compatible/versatile box that doubles as multiple other things so your ultramemes can meme hard.

>>96807132 (OP)
>What was the first army you collected?
Currently painting my first mini. He's a blood angel and I'm hopefully gonna give him some brothers soon(ish)

>>96810692
The Imperium is pro-human, but to be pro-human you have to be willing to sacrifice for the good of humanity. The modern generation doesn't really understand that idea, they see an empire willing to sacrifice its freedom, prosperity, children, and knowledge to the cause of spreading humanity across the stars, and they think it 'evil'.

>>96810692
The Imperium are the good guys because they're human and not aliens. Fuck off startrekfag. Jean Luc Picard is gay.

This was the high water mark of 40k

>>96810729
BA can do it too. Just paint a sanguinary guard red and call it a captain with jump pack. That's not hard.

>>96810748
Thanks anon, I appreciate it

>>96810752
That's gay and no one wants those shitty models and you KNOW that.

>>96810736
You should buy some sanguinary guard.

>>96810692
Another thread explains this well
>The Eldar are a dying race fighting a heroic last stand to save their species from certain damnation, desperately putting themselves in grave danger and showing more courage any anyone in the face of the depths of hell looming over them
>The Tau are a faction of common soldiers with nothing more than their rifles and grit holding the line against mutant abominations, accursed sorcerers, and unholy mechanical monsters, relying on the hope that with enough ammunition and determination you can kill god
>The Necrons are a race seeking salvation from their soulless existence, existing in the glory of their empire that is hollow and empty of substance despite its strength, trying to save what they can with the wonders of the old world so that they can one day go back to a life worth living
>The Imperium is an empire of terrifying godlike psykers, living demigods made flesh, nightmarish mechanized monstrosities, and fanatical cyborg abominations, all of whom want nothing more than to see every other living creature annihilated down to the last infant even if their empire gains nothing from it but satisfaction

>>96810780
The models are good. Its just GW's terribad paintjob that makes them look bad. Also the lack of wings. Also the admittedly poor death masks.

Ok theyre bad but I still like them.

When would I take seraphim over zeraphym?

>>96810797
The thing about that though, is that it's not a warning against the Imperium.

It's an aspiration.

When your nation has reached a point where you are seen as unholy abominations and monsters by other nations, then you have succeeded as an empire. You have struck fear into the heart of every other nation on earth through your power, might, and awe-inspiring cruelty.

>>96810784
I'm gonna get the combat patrol, so, I'm on it
>>96810802
I don't think they're that bad. The gold is a bit excessive but it fits a theme

>>96810833
>I'm 12 and I want my high school bullies to fear more cause im so strong and crazy no one knows what I'll do next
The moment your 'nation' is seen as unholy abominations and monsters by other nations is the moment its all over. If everyone else on Earth hates you your naiton and people are doomed to die. Just like the Imperium is. You know how 'no mans an island' same is true of countries. You cannot live if everyone hates and fears you, and what is the point of being that when your own citizens are treated so horribly and killed in such large numbers, like imperials are?
No one wants to live under a cruel and bloody regime, let alone the cruelest and bloodiest in history

>>96807155
Skiitari get BS3 the sicarians also get WS3. Increase the points. Bring in the HH robots. Flay the designer of the buttplug sniper. Should be a good start

>>96810851
The Imperium has no need of allies, no need of friends. They are a million worlds strong, they have functionally infinite resources and manpower to throw at their enemies. When your enemy is weak, you slay them where they stand so they never have a chance to cross you.

Look at the Eldar. They tried to seek humanity's 'alliance', and what did they get? A slaughter after Guilliman invaded their craftworld and put their people to the death. Why? Because when your enemy is weak, you slaughter them and their children where they stand. You never, ever give them a chance to rise back to their feet. And everyone who isn't your nation is an enemy.

>>96810880
Hardcore dude

>>96810736
Can I just ssy

This shit is therapeutic as fuck. I haven't felt this calm and focused in months. Maybe even years

>>96810880
The Eastern Roman Empire has no need of allies, no need of friends. They are a million villages strong, they have functionally infinite resources and manpower to throw at their enemies. When your enemy is weak, you slay them where they stand so they never have a chance to cross you.

Look at the Arabs. They tried to seek Francia's 'alliance', and what did they get? A slaughter after Charlemagne invaded their cities and put their people to the death. Why? Because when your enemy is weak, you slaughter them and their children where they stand. You never, ever give them a chance to rise back to their feet. And everyone who isn't your nation is an enemy.

>>96810955
First you get your brush a little wet, then you primer. Thne you rinse and let it dry. Then you repeat with base coat. Then let it dry. Then you repeat with details, edge highlights, filling out details and shades. And then you let it dry. Then you admire your work and how nice it looks and how you did a good job. Then you come to /tg/ and post models. Then you get called the "blood angels slop schizo" by nomodels posters.

>>96811016
The Roman Empire would still be standing today if they had the balls to slay the german barbarians to the last child instead of courting with them.

Already have over 3k guard and under 700 marine points but interested in skaven. Which christmas box do I get

>>96811080
You should probably ask the age of sigmar thread.

Let's say a fella wants to paint his marines with black armor, but he built them to be Salamanders with upgrade bits and all.
What color would you suggest the chapter symbol be painted as?

>>96811111
whatever you want

>>96811111
bright pink, with red trim around the helmet's mouth

>>96811080
Votann is the best

>>96809998
How exactly is Dante fixing anything out there? Isn't interstellar travel and communication behind the Rift basically impossible? Or is he somehow able to coordinate operations and move troops?

Tau are cringe and extremely homosexual but I don't hate Taufags the way I do chaosfags. At least Taufags just want to jerk off to their anime waifu

If the emperor wins then he will save all loyalist souls from all points in history via the timeless nature of the warp but if you betrayed mankind then you will not be saved

If by some unimaginable miracle the tau win human worlds will just be incorporated and fine regardless with no punishment.

Therefore, worshipping the emperor is the only logical choice

>>96811182
Dante has access to the full resources of half a million worlds without any of the painful bureaucracy that crippled the Imperium before. The Imperium Nihilus has a bit more difficulty with interstellar travel, but it's not impossible, the astronomicon is only dimmed, not dark.

>>96811182
yes the Sanguinor guides them through the warp. The Lion can also travel through the warp via a strange forest he can take people into. He cannot use it to cross the Great Rift, which is portrayed as a great river with the emperor as the fisher king in a boat fishing. There are shadows under the emperor that are implied to be the chaos gods and the Lion realizes they would destroy him if he tries to swim across.

Also communication works even if less stable. Telepathy doesn't rely on the astronomicon in the same way

>>96811234
You could be saved by the Tau goddess instead.

>>96811258
>A x*nos d*emon
Ew ew gay ew

>>96811258
The Greater Good doesn't involve the concept of an afterlife much less hell.

>>96811244
Interesting. I thought it was a more severe event than that, with most worlds completely isolated.

>>96811267
It doesn't involve the concept of a goddess either and yet here we are. Your afterlife will exist not because your belief system says so, but because souls are a very real thing in the setting, and yours has to go somewhere after you die, and if you belong to the Emperor or the Greater Good goddess then you're more likely to end up in their care.

>>96811272
I mean not really. The Imperial faith says you will be saved if you're not a xenos loving traitor. The Greater Good is just utilitarianism and can't justify hell at all.

>>96811261
She was created by humans

>>96811279
>and can't justify hell at all
That's...not how the Imperial Faith works.

You don't go to hell when you die, you just dissipate into the warp, your soul basically fragments and ceases to exist entirely in the span of a moment. It's not hell it's just...oblivion. Unless you were worshipping the Chaos gods, in which case it actually is hell.

But either way absolutely none of this was from the Emperor himself who wanted to get rid of all that faith shit. Likewise whose to say the humans worshipping the Greater Good Goddess don't believe in a heaven?

Small warp jumps are possible without the astronomicon, but it's much slower. The Tau and Votann basically use jumps like that. The Imperium can jump across the galaxy almost instantly because of navigators and the astronomicon. It's one of the imperium's true "tech" advantages (it is based on space magic but whatever). Only the webway is more efficient, and it's a crumbling ruin that can't be expanded

>>96811291
Some souls actually persist and get tortured by demons. Usually psykers but it can happen for other reason too. Anyway then the argument would just be the Greater Good entity doesn't have a doctrine of saving your soul from dissolution. The imperial cult does. QED

>>96811300
>the Greater Good entity doesn't have a doctrine of saving your soul from dissolution
How would you know? The Tau didn't create the faith, their auxillaries did.

>>96811341
It's never been stated at all and it's a secular philosophy. That is why it horrified the Tau and made some of them genocidal. At best you could say it might develop but there's no reason to think it would

>>96811291
Not that anon, but they way I understood the afterlife in Warhammer is that if you have a weak soul it dissipates back into the Warp, but in 40K that might be the preferred outcome since Chaos is ascendent within the Warp so your soul persisting after death is a good way to be tortured all eternity by demons.

The best version of the Tau was always the naive xenos race encountering the weirder shit in 40k. Thinking they're in Star Trek when they are in a very different setting

>‘They value wealth,’ transmitted Farsight over the cadrenet. He heard Commander Bravestorm laugh with a cold contempt in response. ‘Wealth we can give them.’

>Farsight blink-slid his outgoing autotrans to the common version of Imperial Gothic, and called to mind the entreaties of the water caste.

‘>We can trade you piles of gemstones,’ his battlesuit boomed. ‘We can lavish you with oceans of gold. Join us for the Greater Good, and we will–’

>One of the pink Molochites stretched out its fingers, shuddered as if in fever, and sent a cloud of flame billowing out towards him. He boosted high, his thruster arrays lifting him out of danger. The creature sent out another sheet of fire. Farsight winced as it consumed a nearby squad of tau pathfinders.

>They used digital weapons, then, built into the rings upon their fingers. Miniaturised technology, and common enough amongst those who traded with the jokaero. But the bio-signs of the stricken pathfinders were registering as anomalous in the extreme.

>Farsight zoomed in. The tau’s flesh had been transformed. It was registering as glass, vitrified like stone under intense heat. Features twisted in confusion and anger, Farsight swept his fusion blaster low to cut the nearest Molochite into an explosion of hissing pink viscera. Two smaller creatures burst from its corpse, blue-skinned instead of pink. Each was still decorated with gaudy jewellery. These strange infants too hurled fire. Odd energies crackled from Farsight’s shield generator. He glanced at the shield’s custom sub-program in confusion and mounting panic, but it was still registering gold, at eighty-seven per cent integrity.


>These creatures defied analysis.

>>96811028
I will gladly be a blood angel slop schizo

>>96811357
>It's never been stated at all
We know they have temples though. And that they worship the goddess herself. Why have a goddess and temples without a heaven?

>>96811396
>'Our enemy seems to be of Gue’la nature, but nothing like we have encountered before.’ The face of the famous T’au Commander looked haunted for a moment. ‘They call themselves the Death Guard, and we have learned that they do so rightfully.’

>They looked not unlike the Gue’ron’sha – the Space Marines – but they seemed bloated and repulsive. As O’yeldi’nar and Ui’vas’ka watched, they opened fire with their primitive bolters, gunning down a group of Gue’vesa. Every booming shot they fired somehow sounded… wet. Inexorably, the warriors advanced, crunching stones and corpses underneath their mutated feet.


>The hologram switched to show a revolting mound of putrid flesh with a grinning face and splintered horns. Immediately, the quality of the picture dropped noticeably. The creature swung a rusty blade and cut a Crisis Battlesuit in half. Another Shas’ui attacked with his burst cannons. The blubbering skin of the monstrous figure caved in, only to reveal a horde of smaller beasts, cackling and spilling forth to bury the T’au underneath their mass. The Shas’ui screamed, but his voice did not come from the speakers. It seemed to be resounding everywhere on the Glimmerstar’s bridge at once. The lights flickered and the hologram abruptly vanished.

>The scream seemed to linger for a moment.

>‘These Gue’la cannot be reasoned or bargained with.’ Shadowsun’s voice returned. ‘Even less so than the rest of their kin. In the same way the Gue’la of the Imperium adhere to their Emperor, these monstrous aliens have turned to the savage worship of a being they call Nurg’hel. It seems they fell victim to a host of maladies whilst simultaneously developing a strange resistance against them, becoming dangerous vectors which must be stopped at all costs.’

>‘Nurg’hel,’ whispered Ui’vas’ka. Again the bridge light of the Glimmerstar flickered ominously. O’yeldi’nar tried to ignore it.

>>96809152
Dark Angels. Our books have been trash though so I’ve been reading SW books/lore and really been enjoying them.

>>96811372
You are so weak

>>96811244
Damn Dante has pull like THAT? What other non primarch has pull like that?

Where the fuck is everyone?

>>96811688
I'm not seeing the usual ritual- or shit-posters.
Did we get lucky and have some actual moderation ban the off-topic bullshit for once?

>>96811688
Back at work.

>>96811735
Damn maybe, anyone I will be continuing my game probably on friday. It was at a near stalemate when we paused after round 3. Should be very interesting!

>>96811740
anyway*

>>96807374
lol

I love my big red wife magnus the red

>>96811688
>>96811735
They are in the containment thread.

>>96811530
Isn't the Cypher and Lazarus book quite good?

>>96811396
Molochite is such a cool name for daemons its apity its only used by the Tau
>We can trade you piles of gemstones,’ his battlesuit boomed. ‘We can lavish you with oceans of gold.
Damn no wonder so many human worlds join them, not many leaders could turn down that kind of bribe

what's popping gamers

>>96812571
Struggling really hard to find a way to make codex Drukhari work right now. There are tons of new options but all of them feel like they are missing a key unit to actually work well because of the resin squatting. Like Kabal Cartel definitely needs court of the archon for a fight first threat with full rerolls. Sky Splinter really needs beast packs to make space, for set-up, Covenite Coterie needs Grotesques and Urien for objective play and damage, Reaper's wager is really feeling the loss of AP, and Spectacle struggles without any good answers to overwatch or indirect on GW terrain. I honestly think the Army might be slightly weaker than it was in index and just feels like worse Eldar right now. Or maybe it's similar power level, but the skill floor got a lot higher with the new complexity added. I expect this Army is going to have extremely low play rates because they are really difficult to use effectively now.

>>96812765
As a new person - is this resin squatting why many other armies feel like they lack a bit too?

>>96812571
i'm doing pretty well! i am going to see if my store has any zephyrim today!

Recycle
>>96807190
>>96807190

>>96811234
every religious person in the imperium has already betrayed him, none of them will be saved

>>96811080
Look for the Skaven half of Skaventide for like $100 on Facebook Marketplace or Craigslist or something. It shares a lot of stuff with the upcoming Skaven battleforce box.

>>96810863
I'd also add the customization that is available in HH for magi.