Thread 96819655

The Green Knight edition

>Resources:
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>TOW:
https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXS
https://www.warhammer-community.com/the-old-world-downloads/

>Warhammer Chronicles:
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>Time of Legends:
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>The End Times:
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>Alternative Models:
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>Previous Thread:
>>96809205

>TQ:
Which army do you want to start next?

>>96819655 (OP)
I would be lying if I said I wasn't tempted to paypig out and start WoC due to those tasty marauders.

painted up grimgor after paying way too much for him on ebay

>TQ
artillery-heavy empire army

I wonder what creature these guys get the tusks that adorn their armor from.

>>96819689
musk oxen, rams, baby mammoths etc

>>96819689
I wonder how much i am going to rage if i am forced to rebase all my fucking marauders to 30mm

>>96819688
Such a great sculpt. Not his biggest fan lore wise mostly due to end times but the mini is great.

>>96819815
Frydal being on 30mm makes sense now. At least you can be like Cena and tell yourself “ The Last Time is Now “ with the rebasing.

>>96819836
Kek

>>96819815
Oof. I didn't notice their bases before. Man, that blows. I understand Warriors being on 30mm because they're bulky but Marauders could've stayed on 25mm in my opinion.

I love Fantasy Asian women but I would NEVER EVER play as them

>>96819815
Just don't rebase your models. What, did you rebase your warriors to 30s? What are you, gay?

>>96820169
I really don't get it.

Outside of tournaments do people really care that much about 5mm difference?

Like if my opponents told me "my miniatures are still based on 20mm" I wouldn't give a fuck.
But then again I think it's also group dependent.

There's 4 of us, all adults, all playing solely with painted models, all playing to the fluff and writing lore for characters and scenarios.

Like I legit cannot see an issue with one of my opponent's miniatures being on a slightly larger or smaller base.

Any advantage/disadvantage this brings is counteracted 10folds by the fact that a person I enjoy playing with gets to have a good time with the models he like; and consequently makes my time spent playing that much more enjoyable.

>>96820241
Oh but if you have too small a base then you have more models in base contact able to swing in combat!
Oh no! That extra one model swinging is going to totally change the whole game!

Oh but what about template weapons! You have to make sure you're spaced properly to know how many models are hit by the templates!

Really it doesn't matter for 99% of people. Most of use just happy to play with square and not round bases.
Absolute worst case, he can build a tray that spaces out the smaller bases so they're the proper distance apart without having to break off and remake the bases.

>>96819815
They're 25mm

Anyone played a game with Renegade Crowns yet? What were your thoughts? Did you have fun with it?

>>96820479
reddit says that it's 30mm though.

>>96820479
I think the perspective and depth of the units is misleading. The most accurate comparison you can make is taking the leftmost marauder and the rightmost horseman because they're closest to each other.

>>96820527
That picture is also taken from reddit but to me it seems it's going to be 30mm.

I wonder if they're going to start updating models for core infantry to more dynamic posing will almost everything change to 30mm over time?

>>96820583
Nah. If anything, they'll scale to Cathay's troops who are larger but still on 25s.

>TQ

Printed wood elves, but might buy into Grand Cathay, if im paying a fuckload for models might as well be the newest ones.

>>96819689
Only the finest gor horns

>>96820479
They're clearly 30mm, retardo.

>>96819655 (OP)
>cathay gets a giant nerf
>war mammoth will inevitably become an even pricier sky lantern, so all WAAC babbies will switch to the newest meta unpainted army
>cash keeps rolling in
I love this edition and hate it at the same time

>>96820999
better a mammoth than a dragon

at least it doesn't fly

Do the Skaven great clans have their own clan rats and stormvermin? Seems like they would, but the books always mention how their ranks are raised from the warlord clans, implying that the great clans take them from lesser warlord clans instead of bothering with their own.

>>96821062
>Do the Skaven great clans have their own clan rats and stormvermin?
yes, they're the clan's rats for a reason

>>96820999
As someone who plays with a bunch of guys whose main goal is to enjoy themselves I see this as a total win. Bring on more releases.

>>96821018
This. I can’t see a mammoth ever being meta because of how you can hamper its movement in multiple ways. Maybe in objective based game modes.

>>96820999
Not gonna happen. Everything that has been meta has always had Fly or relied on a Fly enchantment spell to work. Basically it always comes down to any mechanic that ignores the core mechanics of the game, i.e rank-and-flank movement, being meta. I don't see the Mammoth pulling this off. If anything the Mammoth will be another Merwyrm. Remember that model?

You think metawhoring is bad today? You have no idea.

>>96820999
it is funny how waacfags just cannot escape the mentality despite professing that their interest in TOW is as a casual narrative driven game. For once though it isn't even GWs fault, TOW is an awful game for competitive play.

>>96821132
This. The best meta stuff in the game is things that ignore the "core" rank and flank elements of the game. Mobility is key in a game of 4-6 turns where it can take a single turn to rotate a single unit. If you can make highly mobile units deadly as well then you have a competitive list.

Skirmishing and magic missile spamming stuff just leave so much thought process out, you can do pretty much whatever you want and react to your opponents actions immediately.

>>96819815
>mfw I only have Chaos Warriors, so I have no Marauders to rebase.

I always assumed the Tomb Kings only recently woke up, but these fuckers have been awake for literally hundreds of years. Like what the fuck have they been doing? How has Settra not taken over the world? Are they literally full immortal? Like does he defeat all his rivals and then they just respawn? How have they not gotten their shit together by now?

>>96821370
>Like does he defeat all his rivals and then they just respawn?

Pretty much

>>96821370
Tomb Kings are mostly concerned with their immidiate surroundings.

I sold all my Gloomspite Gitz when i quit AoS but i'm getting the hankering again. aside from stabbas and shootas what would you recommend for a 500pts gobbo army?

>>96819689
I better not see any of you fuckers with undrilled horns.

>>96821478
Can't go wrong with any of the squig.

>>96821478
as many fanatacis as you can take

>so excited to finally be able to order the questing knight paladin yesterday
>expected it to sell out within hours like it usually does
>it's still in stock
Was I really the only chump on Earth who didn't have one?

>>96821616
I think Brets have hit their market saturation for the most part. They were never the biggest seller in whfb. Id just be happy they came back.

Does anybody actually use a Jabberwocky or Cockatrice? i'm no waacfag but they just seem like they aren't worth the cost compared to the other monsters. Which is a shame i love the models.

>>96819655 (OP)
>TQ
Norscan WoC or Beastmen

>>96821643
No, cockatrice especially is just bad. Nothing wrong with taking bad units to your army though. I'll probably get a preyton just because I like idea of an ambushing flying monster causing havoc.

WAAC beastmen is wild herd spamming level 1 shamans and viletide

>>96821678
Yeah im grabbing one because my friend mains Wood Elves and the lore of Preyton being noble stags that shamans like Krawlmaw turned into quasi chaos spawn feels like a good dick move for our narrative armies.

>>96821678
>>96821714
The preyton also fits better visually into Beastman because they look like a fairy tale monster

>>96821714
Also helps Jabberslythes are twice the price and as much as a fucking great unclean one.

That and Preyton fits the folk horror aspect of beastmen as corruptors of the natural world.

>>96821726
>A resin Jabberslythe is 80 fucking poonds
I cannot imagine how much ausfailians have to pay for that shit good lord.

>>96821737
its 180 aud, I think it was around 100 AUD when they were selling it for age of sigmar

>>96820999
Outside of Cathay balloon parade and Brexile flying circus this edition has been breddy good. Fix Empire State Troop costs, make pegasus knights a bit pricier, limit which characters can take Jet/Ruby Rings, and give the magic system a little more depth and it's pretty much perfect.

>>96821752
Good God.

How much is a single box of Gors?

>>96821714
Didn't they have some lore with Bretonnia as well?

>>96821714
whats better between the cockatrice or the preyton? Fancy a flying unit to handle artillery since ambushers sucks so much as a rule.

>>96822373
ind?

Should i give my gor blob shields or double up on one handed weapons? Rest of my army for now consists of dragon ogres, chaos trolls, chaos hounds and some ungors

>>96822373
Andy Law hasn't been privy to anything among the GW studios for 5 years at least and Sotek has never had accurate information even when Valrak has, it's embarassing.

>>96822402
The not India of Warhammer Fantasy.
think the only time they showed with any relevance was one WFRP adventure

>>96822402
https://youtu.be/vPO91Xe4RHA?t=1h41m31s
and
https://youtu.be/vPO91Xe4RHA?t=1h54m43s

>>96819689
>Niggers don’t know about tuskgors and razorgors
Play the TTRPG those fuckers are odious.

>>96822413
I'm not familiar with beastmen but between having a 6+ save and double the attacks I'd go with the second desu.

>>96819689
they look definitely like horns way more than they look like tusks
their cavalry also has a lot of horned skulls
which I honestly find silly because they're displaying random cattle skulls instead of skulls of, say, slain monsters

>>96822594
How do you know it's not beastmen skulls?

>>96822373
Tamurkhan 2.0 confirmed.

>>96822613
beastmen have more carnivorous teeth and more humanoid skulls

>>96822613
I can see only one caprine skull mounted to a horse in that image.
The rest are cattle.

>>96822373
>fucking ind
kek the only thing that would cause more seething here than cathay.

>>96822894
I think it'd cause a lot of 'shitting on the street' jokes if anything
I'm looking forward to how the cultural awareness team introduces that into the miniature range

>>96822894
If Ind is real, Djinn are going to be OP as fuck, like the C'tan for Fantasy.

>see army
>flicks finger
>no more army

>>96822974
Benchood, djinn are pakistan.

>>96822974
Why Djinn would be in Ind army? They are Arabian thing.
>>96822894
True. I can't see one reason why Ind even should be in the game. It's like Cathay but with elephants instead of terracotta sentinels. On the other hand, Great Britain is full of poos, so GW will probably do it anyway.

>>96822894
would have preferred Khuresh

>>96822964
>I'm looking forward to how the cultural awareness team introduces that into the miniature range
Every kit comes with a pile of shit base decoration

>>96822999
>>96823010
I genuinely thought Djinn were a shared cultural mythos by the region

>benchod

:,(

>>96822373
I highly doubt it, but if we somehow get Ind before Kislev, I will personally lead a crusade against Nottingham.

>>96822541
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPO91Xe4RHA&t=6091
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPO91Xe4RHA&t=6883

>>96823021
They may very well be, I just know that pajeets like to mock pakis for their belief in djinn.

>>96823062
The belief in Djinni is Arabian thing (they are mentioned in the Koran multiple times). Altough since Pakis are muslims, they probably adopted them as well.

>>96822894
ind would be based if it focused on mythological monsters and deities instead of the humans

>can't have the 4 color coded demons
>make 4 color coded indian creatures

>can't have lustria lizardmen
>make kuresh snakemen

>>96823167
Heh, making another beastmen army would be pretty fun actually, since beastmen are already into rape and shit things. Fits pretty well.

>Cathay
>Ind
>Khuresh
>Nippon
No Araby ....

>>96823193
No Kislev...

>>96823193
Nippon is not happening either, the chinese don't allow it.

>>96823210
Still waiting for peace in Ukraine before selling bear riders and tzar guards shouting "for the Motherland !".

>>96823287
that might still take a while

>>96823287
I have a plan
>release kislev
>present them as being currently ruled over by an evil and chaos corrupted guy
>have their narrative being about fighting dwarfs or cathay or the empire due to this

>release a new arcane journal once the war is over to say the nation has gone back to being rules over by good guys

>>96822667
what's this anyways?

>>96823368
Kislev is disrecpectful.

>>96823462
It can be renamed kyislev during this era.

>>96823368
Better plan:
Kislev => Kislyiv
Bear riders => Shadow Storm riders
Tzar Guard => Ghosts of Praag
Asavar Kul => Azzavar Russ

>>96821763
Yeah the game is fun as long as no one is an unbearable faggot. Been having a lot of fun playing little Battle March games.

>>96823478
motherfucker

>>96822974
>Ind
>Djinn
You're almost as well versed in world history and mythology as Games Workshop is with their Chinese ninja and samurai.

>>96823819
Are you the dwarf fellow? If so, may I see a close up of your dwarf general from the command set? Glad you are also a 500 point enjoyer.

>>96823922
Yeah I dun goofed.

>>96823437
Likely nothing in particular. It's a reused asset from one of the Blood Warriors in the original AoS starter box.

>>96823922
>as Games Workshop is with their Chinese ninja and samurai.
if GW wasn't so short sighted it would have included nippon and ind units in the cathay roster as allies and mercenaries so we wouldn't have had this completitionist autism about fleshing those two as full factions as well.

Kislev too was just an addon to the empire armybook and it worked fine, and so it was a perfectly good idea to shove all other small human factions into a book of mercenaries with dogs of war.

Does anybody know what size the MESBG Ent models are compared to Wood Elf Treemen? I know Middle Earth miniatures are generally smaller, but wondered if I could proxy one for a Welf army.

>>96823992
>if GW wasn't so short sighted it would have included nippon and ind units in the cathay roster as allies and mercenaries so we wouldn't have had this completitionist autism about fleshing those two as full factions as well.
This would only happen in a world where Brettonia was rightfully souped in with the empire

>>96824025
If google is right and they are on 50x75 and 60mm bases, it'd be something like this

>>96824048
You won't find me arguing against a single unified book for the men of the old world.

>>96824025
I don’t see why not, they are still large compared to infantry and hard wood can fuck most things up. Ents are iconic

>>96823992
I wonder how a nippon army would've done around the 2010s

>>96823922
No one cares about sand people or poos.

>>96824331
I'd go for an Arab army if they made them appropriately cruel and evil.

>>96822373
Very unlikely, they said in this Almanack the Tigermen of Ind are explicitly "background file" tier. "Like the Tigermen, they are another idea for the background file."

>>96824370
Forgot the link like a retard:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/zscdwwzf/old-world-almanack-a-short-history-of-cathay/

>>96824370
but that proves that they do have a background file where they're adding information about ind, which is what the fatguy is saying, that gw has fleshed the faction out 100% regarding what it is and what it's got, which doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be turned into a product soon if ever

>>96822373
Last leak this guy had was about how Fimir were totally coming in the Beastmen AJ lol.

>>96823936
didn't know that, makes sense

>>96823287
the marketing photography for the Kislev models were taken last year

>>96824575
?

>>96824589
That means they're about a year or so out.
Its why we can get rumor engines for things a year (or years) in advance.

>>96823579
I mean, Asavar Kul is a Kurgan. So Chaos is basically led by a Chaos Russian during the Great War.

>>96824657
I think he was asking for source on the leak. Or if he wasn't then I am. I won't let myself feel false hope

>>96824657
Like >>96824733 said I'm more wondering where you got that information from

>>96824500
Uprising, because we have heard absolutely nothing about Ind in TOW.
Even if Cathay was a bit out of left field, it had a lore sections about and dedicated to it the core rule book, and it was actually fleshed out thanks to TWW3.
We know even less about Ind than we did about Cathay before it got added to TWW3.

>>96824723
isn't asavar kul, you know, a kul?

I wish gw would do reruns of old box sets so people could get some of those unique minis, i would love a battle for skull pass box.

>>96824761
>>96824733
rumour is from Valrak I think paraphrasing bolter and chainsword

GW please fix warriors im begging you
>Warriors are completely unplayable apart from as MSU units without being a waste of points
>have to be a unit of 10+ to hold objectives, which would be fine if they weren’t priced like gold
>your one defence is your armour, which most armies have an answer to
>said armour is not unique now most units get to a 3+ with parry saves
>You will probably take one as a bunker for your sorcerer and that’s it
The only valid way to hold objectives atm is marauder spam which is doubled down on by the expansion again being for more marauders

>>96822373
This fat fat was completely wrong about every other rumour he has ever stated

>>96825031
>warriors are bad
>marauders are good
it's almost as if TOW has an interest to focus onto and favour the ways it's differentiating itself from AoS

could it be Magnus the Pious?

>>96824955
>valrak
On the one hand this guy does sometimes get shit exactly right. On the other hand he's also been predicting every single primarch to return 7 times a week.

>>96821207
>TOW is an awful game for competitive play.
and thats a good thing

>>96825098
Isn't he a toddler in the current timeline?

>>96824733
>>96824761
>>96821207
>TOW is an awful game for competitive play.
One just has to look at the goofy rules of baseball and football to know that's not the case. Thinking "competitive" games need perfect balance is why 40k and AoS suck ass right now.

>>96825098
no

Valrak never said anything, you guys are being trolled. It's another case of completely made up rumours.

>>96825147
midwit

>>96825177
denounce the perry twins

>>96824370
>they said

Man Wood Elves are cunts

>>96825177
Don't worry, Rock Paper Scissors is out there if you want a perfectly balanced competitive game.

>>96825192
>for the foreseeable future
>Ind is in the background and not relevant to the story we are telling
>equivalent
Are you a bit slow lad?

>>96825191
>PERRYS

>>96825137
no? Magnus was towards middle aged when he was coronated in 2304 and the latest journal is set in 2370s so he'd already be in his 20s.

>>96825098
He is maybe 10 years old in the current year of TOW

>>96825191
That guy is defending competitive play, why would you think that is Parry Nig?

>>96825233
Is he? He's the one saying that TOW is terrible for competitive. But that doesn't matter, Perry-poster just argues about anything possible for engagement.

>>96825196
Wtf is this writing it’s so ass. Like two brick wall talking at each other

Is there any other races besides the Sky Titans and Dragons in lore that were on the planet before the Old Ones arrived?

>>96825258
Dragon Ogres.

>>96825240
>>96825233
This. Perry nig does whatever he can to attempt to demoralize and shit stir. Him insulting the other person for disagreeing with him is his trademark.

>>96824786
No, hes Hung

>>96825252
I think it's fine for the book. It's a Bretonnian Duke speaking to a Wood Elf, neither are going to be the most natural

having fun with your games lately?

>>96825298
no :_-(

>>96825298
I am still assembling my first army and can't wait to get to actually start playing.

Need advice on magic items and my Empire list. Will probably face Bretonnia, WoC or Dwarfs.

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[1998 pts]
Warhammer: The Old World, Empire of Man, Open War
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++ Characters [457 pts] ++

Grand Master [239 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Full plate armour
- Order of the Fiery Heart
- General
- Barded Warhorse
- Dragon Slaying Sword
- Enchanted Shield

Master Mage [90 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Wizard [Level 2 Wizard]
- On foot
- Battle Magic

Captain of the Empire [128 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Full plate armour
- Shield
- Battle Standard Bearer [Griffon Standard]
- On foot

++ Core Units [532 pts] ++

9 Empire Knights of the Fiery Heart [286 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Lances
- Shields
- Heavy armour
- Stubborn
- Preceptor (champion)
- Standard bearer [War Banner]
- Musician

23 State Troops [176 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Thrusting spears
- Light armour
- Shields
- Sergeant (champion)
- Standard bearer
- Musician

10 Empire Archers [70 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Warbows

++ Special Units [624 pts] ++

4 Demigryph Knights [303 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Lances
- Shields
- Full plate armour
- Barding
- Demigryph Preceptor (champion) [Giant Blade]
- Standard bearer
- Musician

10 Inner Circle Knights [321 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Lances
- Shields
- Full plate armour
- Barding
- Inner Circle Preceptor (champion)
- Standard bearer
- Musician

++ Rare Units [385 pts] ++

Steam Tank [265 pts]
- Steam Cannon
- Steam gun

Helblaster Volley Gun [120 pts]
- Helblaster Volley Gun
- Hand weapons

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>>96825298
50/50, some of the guys I play with bring fun lists but a lot are tourneyfags even if they’re nice people. There is one guy who despite the fact he fully paints his stuff I hate because he explicitly runs tourney Cathay and vampires

>>96825258
Fimir, Dragon Orges, and some proto form of humans that Drachenfells was a part of.

>>96825240
>He's the one saying
No I'm not.

>>96825263
You bought into perry bogeyman nonsense, but you're incorrect. My grievances have always been clear and consistent
>paint your fucking toys
>put effort in your terrain and table
>play campaigns, narrative scenarios, and /your dudes/
>play what you think it cool, not what is best
>do not give GW your money

You're actually a retard if you think I would be encouraging competitive play.

>>96825399
If you believe you shouldn't give GW your money maybe you should go hang out in a gen that isn't dedicated to a GW game you retarded faggot.

>>96825208
nigger.
The "not in foreseeable futur" was from a February 24 article:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/GIi2Rgcm/total-war-warhammer-3-reinforcements-arrive-en-masse/
The Cathay reveal was in March 25:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/luce8te0/bring-harmony-to-the-old-world-with-the-armies-of-grand-cathay/
Do you really think that Cathay wasn't planned at least 13 months in advance ? They are just full of bullshit.

>>96825399
It's actually hilarious that those statements are considered controversial in this general instead of being bare minimum standards

>>96825399
People would be more receptive to your talking points if you weren't so unpleasant and gay.
We remember the pictures you posted. We remember the mean things you said.

>>96825394
hmm and you cant tell those tourney list guys youd prefer a more casual game so they take less efficient lists?

>>96825409
You don't have to CONSOOM GW™ product to play WHFB

>>96825462
>rejecting objective truth because it makes you uncomfortable
You're weak and pathetic. Untermensch freak

>>96825147
I mean baseball and football are both very "balanced" games, both players follow the exact same amount of rules. The only unbalance could be who starts with the ball

>>96825448
It's not what you say, its how you say it. Same way an autistic retard shitting his pants and screaming "the sky is blue!" still annoys people.

>>96825192
>not in the foreseeable future
>then say that TOW has been more successful than they forsaw
>plan changed

Not hard to follow the logic anon

>>96823437
saurus?

>>96825502
You are a truly pathetic human being perrynigger. To spend so much time in a place dedicated to something you hate, to spend it spreading negativity. Your life must be very empty. I feel sorry for you.

>>96825504
The base rules are the same, which is true of WHFB as well. The equivalent of players skill is USR and unit profiles, which are NOT balanced. There are teams that suck total ass and ones that have completely overpowered players. The NFL survived just fine have shitters like the Browns and the Falcons be shit for decades.

If I could add a side conversation to the current shitstorm into the thread, when will we be getting Ogres in TOW?

>>96825411
No they obviously were in the process of planning cathay before even the February 24 article, they just hadn't planned to be putting it into production for a while. Then when TOW sold above their expectations they pushed cathay out as quickly as they could

>>96825531
>The equivalent of players skill is USR and unit profiles, which are NOT balanced.

Well no because player skill/ability isn't part of the game's systems anon. It isn't written down in the football rules that the Patriot's quarterback has +1 strength over everyone else's or whatever. If players having different skill/ability levels means the game is unbalanced than no game is balanced.

>>96825597
>If players having different skill/ability levels means the game is unbalanced than no game is balanced.
Unironically yes, that is exactly what it means. And why trying to overly balance games so that results are 50/50 is retarded, because no real competitive sport has such a 50/50 winrate.
Obvious abuses should be fixed (hello balloon spam) but putting balance as the end-all-be-all for what makes a game good at being "competitive" shows an fundamental misunderstanding of what makes something competitive.

>>96825395
>>96825262
I see. The Pre-Old Ones world is very interesting to me, though I don’t know if I want James to explore it or if I just want to imagine what could be.

>>96825399
BASED Stillmania! Enjoyer

>>96825554
never

>>96825395
Wasnt albion also pre old ones?

>>96825653
3 coats of gloss varnish kills me

>>96825710
Don't like protecting your paint job?

>>96825717
I LOVE MATTE FINISHES
IONIC COLORS FOR LIFE

>>96825554
No one really knows. No credible rumours about ogres on the TOW side. Just that they are getting refresh in AoS

They kinda fit on 40mm bases

>>96825632
You're completely misunderstanding what it means when people say they want to "balance" a game. They're saying they want a game to be a 50/50 assuming each player has the same level of skill and ability, not that the game should be a 50/50 regardless of all factors.

>>96825653

What the fuck that is literally how Ive been playing for years, except I use 3 coats satin varnish

>>96825754
man I've really slept on these kits and not touched my skaven since WAP, would be nice to finish the army one day with all the missing units. People swear the vermintide aos box faield but last I checked it was still 20% discount off rrp at best.

>>96825756
>They're saying they want a game to be a 50/50 assuming each player has the same level of skill and ability
And that's a shitty way of balancing since in actual competitive sports with real followings its never like that. It's just something spineless, dopamine deprived nerds tell themselves so they can feel like "champions" when they win.

>not that the game should be a 50/50 regardless of all factors.
You can't balance player skill, so the only way to achieve that desired 50/50 is to reduce "all factors". Its why Games Workshop has been making AoS and 40k so shrimplified. They're not idiots, they're smart enough to realize the only way to get that 50/50 balance is to make the game as simple and boring as Rock-Paper-Scissors.

>>96825258
pygmies came from space but arrived before the old ones
then there were the troglodytic predecessors of saurus
primitive hominid species the old ones ended up using to uplift their races
dragon ogres and fimir
maybe centaurs if I remember correctly
also fishmen
and depending on their exact true origins, potentially zoats and some proto version of trolls, but zoats might have arrived with the old ones and trolls spawned from chaos ex novo
also various animals and dinosaurs
creepy mind controlling giant intelligent ant/mantis queens
and spiders from beyond
and whatever race of shapeshifters inhabited the moon
and whoever the slann and saurus successfully eradicated which we can't know about

I also seem to remember mentions of very old elementals of sort, but at least in 8th edition the forest spirits of athel loren claim they found no other natural spirit when they first woke up from the forest planted by the old ones

>>96825664
No that's where the Old Ones taught the humans they created Magic and was basically meant to be Human Ulthuan

>>96825826
I thought albion had its own race of giants unrelated to the sky titans, so i assumed they existed before the old ones

>>96825845
the giants of Albion were different from the sky titan, but were made by the old ones

>>96825865
Interesting, its not unlikely that the old ones copied the sky titans then

>>96825518
That still means you can't trust what they say.
(my point)

>>96825732
Do two coats gloss then the third coat matte, idiot

>>96825892
Yes, it's also possible that they weren't in bad terms, after all we have no suggestion that the old ones tried to exterminate them.

>>96825780
>And that's a shitty way of balancing since in actual competitive sports with real followings its never like that

Really actual competitive sports are played with a balanced ruleset where the only thing that matters is what skills and abilites the players have. A game where the rules are symmetrical like most sports has this essentially by default.

>You can't balance player skill, so the only way to achieve that desired 50/50 is to reduce "all factors"

Are you not reading my post? The point isn't to make every game 50/50 it's to make a game between two hypothetical equal individuals a 50/50. Sure you can't really find a set of two exactly equivalent individuals but you can look at aggregate data to see how players of all skill levels perform given the rules.

Take chess for example, aggregate data tells us that it's a roughly 55/45 in whites favor because of first turn advantage. We know this is accurate since we can safely assume that on average people playing white aren't just better than people playing black, so player skill/ability is canceled out.

>>96825903
Sure, but anything you're saying to contrary of what they claim should be backed up by something. GW isn't trying to decieve you, things just didn't go the way they thought it would.

new plastic forest dragon is dropping

>>96825780
Are you saying it's never like that as in no actual competitive sport is balanced that way, or it's never liked that because no competitive sport actually has players of the same skill and ability?

since marauders are on 30s now, does anyone know if Kairics from aos can rank up on those base sizes now?

>>96826050
they can rank on 25s too

>>96825990
>what skills and abilites the players have
Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Weather, homefield advantage, injuries, and by-weeks are all non-rule factors that have influence. This is how I know you don't know anything about actual competitive events.

> make a game between two hypothetical equal individuals a 50/50
Which is impossible unless your shrimplify everything. Dwarfs are never gonna go 50/50 against a speedy cav list unless you undo everything that makes them dwarfs. Skaven are gonna shit their pants and lose against any lists that are good at leadership bombs.
The only way to get that 50/50 you desire is by removing all flavor as the retards who play AoS are learning with 4e.
Because a strict focus on balance =/= a good competitive scene. Again, ask the NFL, where there are true shitters who can't even get close to a 50% win rate.

>>96820479
Oh they're doing the Mantic thing where you get troops and cavalry in a box.

>>96826087
>Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Weather, homefield advantage, injuries, and by-weeks are all non-rule factors that have influence.

Which have no relevance on whether the GAME is balanced because they aren't part fo the GAME'S systems anon.

>Which is impossible unless your shrimplify everything.

It being impossible to perfectly accomplish something does not mean trying to make it closer to perfect isn't worthwhile. Like chess which I used in my example is typically what people consider to be a fine margin of error for balance considering how ubiquitous chess is. And you absolutely can get TOW within that margin of error

>Because a strict focus on balance =/= a good competitive scene. Again, ask the NFL, where there are true shitters who can't even get close to a 50% win rate.

Again anon, it doesn't matter if a specific team doesn't have a 50/50 because the point has never to make it a 50/50 no matter who is playing.

>>96826018
It's never like that for a variety of factors. One is of course player skill (which is represented in game by USR and actual WS/BS, etc). Real teams don't have this kind of 50/50 balance; if you turned them into a tabletop football game, the top NFL teams units would have MUCH higher stats and better USR than the worst one.
But even beyond that, as mentioned, there are other factors that go beyond rules. Homefield advantage. Weather. Injuries. (Unironically) Biased/stupid refs. By weeks.
There are so many factors in real sports that aren't possible to really balance and they don't really bother trying to.

You know what does have perfectly balanced rules though? Rock-Paper-Scissors. Yet it doesn't have any real following like the NFL.

>>96826109
>Which have no relevance on whether the GAME is balanced because they aren't part fo the GAME'S systems anon.
But they ARE part of the GAME anon. They impact it.
>does not mean trying to make it closer to perfect isn't worthwhile.
And the only way to do that is to remove USR and shrimplfy. It's why AoS and 40k got hit with that. Because in this kind of tabletop, that's the only real way to balance.
>Again anon, it doesn't matter if a specific team doesn't have a 50/50 because the point has never to make it a 50/50 no matter who is playing.
Right, we gotta "closer to perfect" but not actually 50/50. So some random ethereal point that you feel is good.
Hard to take that seriously anon. Hard to take that seriously.

>>96826126
>But they ARE part of the GAME anon. They impact it

A game is a set of rules and mechanics that players can play, the players are actors following those rules not part of the rules themselves.

>And the only way to do that is to remove USR and shrimplfy

It isn't in fact right now TOW is pretty close to having all armies with enough data being within that margin for error already

>Right, we gotta "closer to perfect" but not actually 50/50. So some random ethereal point that you feel is good.

Again, basic literacy anon. I said 55/45 is considered "good enough"

>Hard to take that seriously anon. Hard to take that seriously

Says the one incapable of reading

>>96826050
>AoS

>>96826156
I think chaos is cool, im already a fedora tipper to begin with.

>>96826147
>the players are actors following those rules not part of the rules themselves.
Absolutely wrong, especially when you are playing an army game. While the player makes the decisions, the soldiers on the table are actors AND part of the rules. That's why we use dice anon.
>I said 55/45 is considered "good enough"
Yet this all started when I said NFL and Baseball aren't balanced games and are great competitive games (because guess what, they aren't 55/45 balanced).

Now, just to show everyone what you really want, tell me how you propose a Dwarf army be balanced 50/50 against a strong calvary list (traditionally its biggest weakness) WITHOUT removing the weaknesses and USR that make them observably dwarfs.
The only answers are to: give them USRs that make them less-dwarfy or take away the USRs that make them slow (and dwarfy). Oh, and give them actual calvary. Which again, ruins the spirit of the army.

>>96826050
Why would you want that slop?

>>96826111
>real teams don't have this 50/50 balance
Yeah but anon that's because the players aren't game pieces, they're not supposed to be balanced. Football players are better than one another in the same way one tow player can be better than another.
In the same way injuries or weather doesn't really benefit one player over another. Homefield advantage does, but that's why both teams play at home and away (well they do in football idk how they do it in american sports). Biased refs can impact a game, but that's one that various sport authorities recognize as a bad thing and try to minimize. Regardless I think sports and tabletop require very different balancing methods so the whole discussion is kinda moot anyway. Better to compare to esports imo.

>>96826222
>Football players are better than one another in the same way one tow player can be better than another.
The player is the coach anon. The units on the board are the players (or made up of them, more accurately). Some will be better than others, its just how it is. Just like how in real sports, some teams will be filled with players better than others. Some teams will have a few good players but mostly bad so they lose alot.
That's just sports.
>think sports and tabletop require very different balancing methods
There. You're doing it again. The discussion isn't balancing methods. The discussion is about what makes a better competitive game. You're so obsessed with balance you can see the forest from the trees. AoS-brained even.
>Better to compare to esports imo.
I was going to bring this up, because DOTA is more like WHFB in balance and League is more like AoS in balance and DOTA is leagues (heh) ahead of LoL in terms of depth of competitiveness. And guess what? Dota is MUCH LESS balanced than league.

>>96826213
They look easier to paint than the new marauders, also I can base their backstory as cathayan cultists, with the moon motif they have as masks I could probably adapt their backstory to be worshipers of chang'e. As to how im going to adapt chang'e, I dont know. I havent even read the cathay arcane journal yet.


Also Im pretty sure these 20 man dudes are going to be cheaper to buy than the new marauders, not really my driving concern but its a cumulative thing.

>>96826065
do you have pics?

>>96826249
I'm not the same guy you're arguing with anon, I was the one who originally asked about what you meant by the statement that sports aren't meant to be balanced. I actually don't really care about the larger discussion of tow balance, I'm just curious about your opinions in sports balance.
Anywho I think we're looking at this from different angles. When the other guy said sports are balanced he's talking purely from a ruleset pov. Weather, team injuries, etc won't make the game unfair or harder for an individual player compared to another. By-weeks and stuff aren't a game rule problem, it's a system problem. If you get fucked over by having to play 3 veterans while another guy gets to stomp 3 noobs during a tow tournament, that doesn't mean the game itself is more or less balanced, it means the tournament was.
Sports typically strive towards balance in their rulesets. In a vacuum team a has no advantage over team b, the rules are exactly the same for both teams. Real madrid might be better than grimsby town, they still have to actually play better. It's unfair on the team level in the sense that they have a budget of 2 billion while grimsby have 5 pounds and a free beer ticket every other weekend, but ruleswise every single player of both teams is allowed to make the same movements, the same touches, the same minutes played. Real madrid still has to actually PLAY better.
>dota and lol
I know fuckall about those games so I can't comment in that

On paper, Rock Paper Scissors has a 50% winrate for all three choices but if you bring rock to a scissor meta your winrate will be much higher. Replace rock paper scissors with dwarves, the empire and high elves and you have a disaster on your hands. 50% winrate isn't a good game design goal, but it does follow (partially from) rocks, paper and scissors being all equally appealing to the playerbase.
What you want out of a well designed wargame ruleset is the ability to adapt to your enemies by both adjusting your list as well as playing the game differently depending on what you are facing. These allow the players to swing odds in their favor both in and out of game, including reaching absurd winrates by coming up with a list that counters the local meta - a situation which naturally resolves itself over time.

Did the math.
My goblin army would be like $800.
F
>150 gobbos
>full artillery complimemt
>bosses and shamens

>>96822373
big if true.
As the resident /wfg/ racist I have no problem with all the human races being represented as Cathay, Ina, Araby, etc.

What i DONT like is how shitmar has them all mixed in the clearly Europe race.

All races are fine as long as they are separate

>>96826333
>When the other guy said sports are balanced he's talking purely from a ruleset pov.
A game is more than its rules. Which is the ultimately point; you can't judge a game's competitive worth based on rules alone. Because if you did, Rock-Paper-Scissors would be the greatest game around. Checkers would be more popular than Chess.
Depth of the game is what counts, more than anything. To say TOW makes for a bad competitive game because it isn't balanced is to fail to understand what makes a competitive game good and what makes it worth getting into.

>>96826351
where are you from? where i am there are tons on the used market pretty cheap

>>96826348
Exactly, depth of rules is more important than the actual balance of rules. Sadly GW and its modern AoS players can also focus on balance so they push for further shrimplification and more and more rules that are just "activates on a 4+".

>>96826356
Gobboanon needs to update this with the new Marauders.

>>96821099
>Implying that won't give it some OP trample rule that let's it move freely through enemy units while doing damage.

>>96821099
>>96826402
Just give it toughness 8 so even most dragons struggle to kill it. That way static combat res/cannons can be its biggest weaknesses.

Also probably just retarded Warcom staff exaggerating, but they claims there's "loads more" coming with TROW. Maybe more revealed on Monday like how they slow rolled the kill team and Empire Resin Wizard reveals weekly?

>>96826386
If you showed someone who has never played Warhammer, a selection of AoS models and then a selection of WHFB models, and then asked him which set does he think the marauder models go with, the person would guess they were AoS models 100% of the time

>>96826455
WRONG, they'd ask you why the fuck are you showing them something that isnt space marines.

>>96826386
>skin check
passed
>females in combat roles check
0, passed

visually they look fine. hopefully they arent push fit slop

>>96826479
They will probably be a bit shit to put together, but i doubt they will be Pushfit, that's only for starter kit models these days

>>96826479
>skin check
>passed
oh no no no...

>>96826479
If they're like my new Tomb King Liche Priest, they almost certainly are, but the LP came with 4 heads 3 arm poses and 2 staves so it was more variety than I expected. Could easily make 4 distinct ones for a Mort Cult army.

>>96826474
>>96826455
i always thought the old old metal ones were the coolest but the customer of today would never buy them.

>>96826493
What do the sprues for the new plastic TH and LP look like?

>>96826360
I agree that depth of play is more important, but I think in sports that necessitates a balanced ruleset. Nobody likes a match where the worse-playing team wins due to shitty ref decisions for example. Seeing people out-skill each other is ultimately what people are interested in. That can be held back because of lack of options (depth) or lack of balance. Again I don't really care about competitiveness in tow that much since I simply don't play that way, but I can understand why some would strive for that (within reason). I also think to an extent balance and depth issues can go hand in hand. Part of the reason cathay balloons suck so much is because there's very limited counterplay, same with a lot of other flying problems. Less options means less balance. Works the other way too, a badly balanced unit typically forces you to take certain units that match up well into it, limiting your options in general.

>>96826490
For now i will attribute that to lighting or focus and hold opinion until the high res pics are on the GW site.
If that is a jamal then the release is a 1/10, complete slop absolute failure.

>>96826493
>>96826479
Wait I am a retard, I thought pushfit was just a term for modern model style, I didn't realize that AoS models have actual pegs and shit you're expect to shove in instead of glue (but I guess everyone glues anyways?).
The Tomb Kings stuff was NOT pushfit then.
>>96826501
Not at home but I can take a picture. Very dense, lots of pieces but decent amount of variability.

>>96826519
pushfit means the pegs yet
Some models are even part pushfit, like the horse will be pegs in holes and the rider you glue on.

Modern style is the CAD edge/line style. You can tell when a model is designed in CAD on a computer versus sculpted by hand

>>96826519
you can see the pegs in the top right horse. Old models have pegs too bit they werent as bad as this slop

>>96826537
Oof oh yeah that looks so obnoxious. Nothing like that on the new Tomb Kings stuff. Definitely >>96826529 CAD designed though with how some of the edges fit together but not really complicated and looks good.

>>96826529
>You can tell when a model is designed in CAD on a computer versus sculpted by hand
Yeah, if it has SOVL it's hand sculpted, if it looks like slop or cartoons for man babies, it's CAD

>>96826189
>the soldiers on the table are actors

Completely wrong, by definition

Your issue is you're conflating what a game abstractly represents and how it functions.

>Now, just to show everyone what you really want, tell me how you propose a Dwarf army be balanced 50/50 against a strong calvary list (traditionally its biggest weakness) WITHOUT removing the weaknesses and USR that make them observably dwarfs.

I cetainly wouldn't remove anything. I would say the issue with dwarves is a lack of something to deal with cavalry not some ability or rule they have making them worse against cavalry. They have some cav-counter options in the form of runes and banners but I think what they need is a devoted anti-cav unit.

>The only answers are to: give them USRs that make them less-dwarfy or take away the USRs that make them slow (and dwarfy). Oh, and give them actual calvary. Which again, ruins the spirit of the army.

I think that's an extremely bold claim, you could give them something that could be used to slow other units, something that has bonuses against cavalry, just make them better a recieving charges, the potential solutions are numerous and we can't know for certain they'll work unless you try them out.

>>96826570
true
2 of the best models of all time were made by the same guy with a toothpick and greenstuff

So much soul and character from these sculpts

>>96826519
Starter boxes for 40k and aos are usually push-fit, no glue required. Easier for beginners, that sort of things. Seeing pegs outside out of those is still pretty rare though. Underworlds is another example.
>>96826537
Wouldn't surprise me if the chaos knights on the left were also (partially) digitally sculpted thoughbeit. They're from like 2008-2010?

>>96826455
>If you showed someone who has never played Warhammer, a selection of AoS models and then a selection of WHFB models

I think they would have no idea what you're talking about anon.

Learning more about how Norsca has mundane and non-batshit insane worship of Chaos and how Fantasy’s Chaos Lords aren’t all variants of “Lord Blood Cum the Rapist,” I think GW really dropped the ball by making Chaos’s reputation be so flanderized in 40K and AoS. If anything I think the depths of Chaos feel all the more disturbing by having a much greater range in Fantasy.

>>96826455
The cashier would tell you to please place your order more than likely

>>96826596
Thats why O&G has mass appeal
even people who dont play WH know what orcs and goblins are thanks to LotR and mainstream IPs

>>96826596
>Check out this selection of fantasy figures from group A
>Now check out this selection from group B
>Now check out this pic, do you think it stylistically fits better with group A or B?
Anon: HUUUURRRR I DONT THINK THEY CAN UNDERSTAN IT....!!!!

>>96826606
Warcry did offer some non-traditional chaos worship in an aos context with their warbands. Darkoath also do have some sympathetic angles to them at times. In 40k yeah it's a bit of a mess, though I think that comes with the more overt grimderpness compared to whfb and aos

>>96826606
Wargames push for everything to extremes, at least when GW does it, like every Special Characters being the best of the best special Snowflakes, or how every group in the setting can produce grand massive armies to fight massive wars.

>>96826625
Nigga thinks his toy army men are some strange esoteric topic that only the initiated can comprehend

>>96826386
>>96826479

>>96826606
Eh…Ive read into it and as someone whose reading into gaunts ghost now, I don’t really like Norscas attempt of lower chaos culture. It’s just, I dunno, it’s forgettable.

>>96826664
Squint your eyes and you literally cannot tell the difference.

>>96826455
I think you are correct, because the models look like they are new instead of being 10-20 years old. In terms of Style they are closer to Fantasy than AoS.
Also is it wrong of me to want to collect all the Arcane Journals for ToW just to have them?
>>96826490
You can barely see his hand and it looks white.

>>96826664
Why are they still doing the retarded chainmail hanging off of the shoulder and crotch?

>>96826680
>Also is it wrong of me to want to collect all the Arcane Journals for ToW just to have them
If you don’t even read them you’re either a pay pig or you have a hole in your heart.

>>96826695
I mean i like lore... it's more a question of whether they'll eventually do true army books that are basically just compendiums of the Arcane Journals with a little extra

>>96826413
>That way static combat res/cannons can be its biggest weaknesses.
I don't think you understand. GW doesn't want balanced mammoth rules.
It wants OP ones to push $200 models.

If Ogres take too long (if they’re coming at all) I just might start a TOW army with the new Marauders.

>>96826956
Are the Cathay ogres new models or old ones? If they are new i've got to assume they plan to if things continue to go well. Assuming things are going well to begin with

>>96826519
pushfit stuff like this is meant to be assembled without glue yes (look at a bandai kit), gw implementation is so bad that the pegs either don't fit, bottom out too soon, or don't line up quite right
anyone sane cuts most of or the whole peg before trying to assemble them and use glue/plastic cement

it's also monopose cancer and an unecessary nightmare to kitbash

>>96826956
Are you incapable of delaying gratification

>>96827069
Gw general anon, please understand.

>>96827069
I’ve been delaying my gratification for quite some time anon….

>>96827151
Dont make it sexual

What army can I work these into?

Is Cathay getting ranged infantry any time soon?

>>96827233
something with humans in it I imagine, consider Brets.
>>96827235
you already have empire allies.

>>96826956
I wouldn't wait around for something that may or may not come back. Norsca is cool, if you like em, play em.

>norsca
>not warriors of chaos
and soooo it begins....

>>96827359
Ehhh Marauders needed the update more

Why did no one tell me Gotrek & Felix was this good? Skavenslayer in particular.

>>96827418
>junior fiction novels

>>96827422
I guarantee I've read more classic /lit/ than you faggot, let me enjoy my slop in my downtime

>>96827426
Even then there is better fantasy slop to enjoy.

>>96827430
Whatever you're thinking I've unironically probably read it.

>>96827233
If you do headswaps and trim down the muskets, Empire

>>96826965
The Cathay ogres are new but it’s only Ogre loaders for the artillery teams.

>>96827426
I 100% guarantee you haven't, faggot

>>96827459
>Bronze age mindset,
You're retarded. No point in continuing this conversation

>>96827459
Holy fuck, this is the most Chud stereotype bookshelf I've ever seen

>>96827438
Lord of the mysteries

>>96827480
I don't take recommendations from brown people, chinkanon

>>96827459
Kek based

>>96827459
>that desk/wall colour
Please tell me this is Perryfags bookshelf

>>96827459
Mother fucker organize your shit
You've got your history mixed up with your pulp fiction mixed up with your language books mixed up with your hobbies mixed up with your psychology mixed up with your sociology...... it angers me somewhat.

>>96827459
Based.

>>96822667
Wait....

I thought GW did all its miniature manufacturing in-house in the UK and US.

Does that mean that there are possibly "factory seconds" of these skulls available somewhere?

>>96823368
This would be based beyond belief.
To have actual world events permanently and meaningfully change the lore would require gromril balls from GW.

>>96825394
...can't you just not play with those people.

Maybe even explain to them calmly and politely why you won't play, if they ask.

>>96827586
that's odd, might just be a rip off though

>>96826099
Wtf, why only 5 horsemen? Does one really need 50 infantry marauders?

>>96827459
Holy basedworld. Read Gothic Violence.

>>96827663
The box is 10 horsies and 40 marauders

>>96827459
>gor
>sade
>mishima
>the harebrained musings of some malfunctioning romanian lampshade
What the hell is the matter with you, you massive homosexual?

>>96826664
Goddammit, they couldn't at least make them hot?

Found an unopened box of Gloomspite Gitz Stabbas i never opened in my backlog from my AoS days. Any O&G players who can tell me what base size they are on and if making netters matters?

>>96828239
25mm and netters are a 25 pt upgrade.

>>96827858
That's not even the weirdest shit on his shelf either

>>96827459
absolutely unhinged

>>96827858
Well it's perrynigger, are you the least bit surprised?

>>96827459

>Codex Tau

I would've given a pass for de Sade , but you went too far, you bastard you!

>>96827459
>complete history of the white race
>debating the Holocaust
>A World without Jews
>MYFAROG
>Race or Mongrel
Kek

>>96827459
>I read classic literature!
>it's 70% racism and anti-feminism self-help books for fags
Having 2 Tau codexes, Mishima and unironically Mein Kampf -in that combination- is the most homosexually pathetic thing I've ever seen a photo of on /tg/

>>96828438
Uhhh... Based?

6th Edition, 8th Edition, The Old World, or Warhammer Armies Project

Which is your personal preference to play?

>>96828718
I like old world

Help.
Should I be doing full command for my hammered and dwarf warriors?
I have no idea how thanes hold up.
I'm just trying to make some shooty dwarfs but the hammerers with confusion sound cool too. But i also know better than to buy thr battle box and make quarrelers and dwarf warriors and go "gee why does my army suck?"

++ Characters [332 pts] ++
Thane [196 pts]
(Hand weapon, Handgun, Full plate armour, General, Shieldbearers, Master Rune of Bursting Flame, Rune of Accuracy, Rune of Rapid Fire)

Runesmith [70 pts]
(Hand weapon, Full plate armour, Shield)

Thane [66 pts]
(Hand weapon, Great weapon, Full plate armour, Shield, On foot)

++ Core Units [527 pts] ++
21 Rangers [327 pts]
(Hand weapons, Crossbows, Throwing axes, Heavy armour, Great weapons, Shields, Ol' Deadeye (champion) [Crossbow], Musician)

20 Dwarf Warriors [200 pts]
(Hand weapons, Heavy armour, Great weapons, Shields)

++ Special Units [413 pts] ++
21 Hammerers [413 pts]
(Hand weapons, Great hammers, Heavy armour, Shields, Royal Champion, Standard bearer [Rune of Confusion], Musician)

++ Rare Units [486 pts] ++
12 Rangers [162 pts]
(Hand weapons, Crossbows, Throwing axes, Heavy armour, Shields, Musician)

12 Rangers [162 pts]
(Hand weapons, Crossbows, Throwing axes, Heavy armour, Shields, Musician)

12 Rangers [162 pts]
(Hand weapons, Crossbows, Throwing axes, Heavy armour, Shields, Musician)

>>96828718
Opr

>>96828718
the one in which tomb kings are not trash and/or I can play cathay.

>>96821370
In the game events if a lich priest passes him off he buries them for a thousand years.

It would suck to be alive and 100 feet underground for 1000 years.

>>96821370
I think one of their main problems is, that, unlike vampire counts, they cant/dont raise new soldiers from their dead enemies.

>>96828770
Gotta dig em up.
Makes for easy army lore.
This army so and so was buried at so and so, so I painted the skellies red.

>>96828770
this post made me picture liche priests going full /pol/fag and scanning the facial bones of every skeleton they raise to make sure they're nehekahran

>>96828813
sure, you have nehekeran warriors buried in nehekera, but I dont think there are many tombs in the empire, for example.
>>96828847
its not only about the liche priest.
the Tomb Kings can force their own will (my will be done) into their undead legions. but this only works with nehekeran warriors, that were loyal to the monarchs and were bound to them by magic. when they were buried. that doesnt work for other dead people. thats why TK skellies are a wee bit better fighters than regular skellies.

feel free to correct me, but thats my lore understanding so far.

>>96828740
>Should I be doing full command for my hammered and dwarf warriors?

Yes, Dwarfs rely on beating your opponent on combat res so every fighty block should have as much static combat res as you can take.


I'd get BSB with Grungi. It's nobrainer for dwarf lists. 21 models of hammerers is overkill and nobody in their right mind will charge into that, they're ridiculously good but they're also dwarfs so your enemy can just avoid them.

Get a dwarf king with master rune of smiting, preservation and on shield bearers to deal with big monsters. Usually people dont put the gun thane on shield bearers as you can either bunker him in a unit of rangers or standing just next to your bricks to avoid being targettable.

Dwarf battalion box is excellent value. You can build those quarrelers as rangers (use the capes) and few gyros are a very good addition to any army.

Do gobbos on squigs go in a ranked unit or are they skirmishers?

>>96822373
This idiot has had a hard-on for Ind and Khuresh for a long time. Someone told him some red-herring, and he's now going with it due to wishful thinking.

Should I put a Beastmen battle standard on a 25mm or 30mm base?

Unrelated but have an image of bumblebees taking a nap

>>96829112
30mm if you wanna put him with bestigors (

25 otherwise

>>96829064
You mean squig hoppers? They're either open order or skirmishers. It's up to you

>>96828960
From my experience everyone avoids the big scary Smiting King or throws champions at him which don't care about d6 wounds. Right now I'm tempted to make the characters all ranged, give the King a ranged weapon with Master rune of slaying, accuracy and rapid fire, hits on 3+ wounds on 3+ and does d3 wounds with 2 shots a turn. Can't do much about those characters hiding in units but most big things should get a little worried.

>>96829117
Which is the best place for one? I got the Made to Order one a few weeks back, regretting that I didn’t get two of them now.

>>96829174
Doesn't really matter. Don't stress it. 25mm is better choice as it will rank up more neatly with most of your stuff. You can always get 25mm to 30mm adapter if you wanna put him with Bestigors. I'm personally not a huge fan of Bestigors but you can run your army any ways you want.

Grabbed myself a Preyton to go with my beasts, dont think its that competitive but you just can't beat a stag degenerated into a chaos mutant for a woodland themed army.

I've already got a Cygor and Gorgon from AoS so it it worth getting the batallion or just buying a Gor box and an Ungor box separately?

>>96829204
That battalion is worth it even if you already have the monsters

Do you ever need more than one unit of 20 Bestigors? seems like thats the most anyone ever runs and otherwise spend points on razergors and chariots instead.

>>96829244
I don’t plan on getting anymore than the 20 I have, mostly cuz those are some minis I had when I played WHFB as a kid, but I now generally run them in groups of 10-16 with my Beastlord

>>96829250
i had two AoS start collectings from 2nd edition that each gave ten and it seems thats about enough.

>>96829260
yeah did the same when I picked up those aos boxes for cheap at my LGS last year. Bestigors are definitely quite a bit better post errata though I think they should've got two attacks or possibly a rule like blood greed or frenzy to make them competitive, one GW attack albeit with primal fury isn't that special.

>>96829310
Its a Big Pig World and they are just living in it.

For the difference between combat order and marching column, does it depend on COMPLETE ranks?
Like which would this count as?

>>96829352
i could be wrong but i think its counting front versus left hand side front to back.

>>96821763
All this pales in comparison to the absolutely disfunctional handling of monstrous mounts. Makes both list building and playing incredibly unfun if one or more are around.

>>96828718
8th edition.

>>96829423
Are those runes saying "I love beer"? because that's what I think those runes are saying right now.

There's a lot to like about TOW, but I really, really miss the old magic system. Different spells going off in different phases is a neat idea, but everything being 2d6 is lame. I liked building and managing magic pools. I know it could create situations where a super-magicky faction could completely brute force their foe in the magic phase, it wasn't perfect, but there was a lot of fun strategy you could put into building your magic pool and spending it.

>>96829516
Issue with the old way is that it didn't scale at all
If you had one wizard, he got to play with a whole 2D6 magic dice. If you wanted to have a heap of wizards, they had to share it instead, and they all got fucked over if you rolled badly for the winds.

>>96828718
Right now it's 6th, though I've only played TOW in tournament settings so far as no one wants to play it casually. Never played WAP but I gave the rules a big read before the Jamesing and it got me interested as an update to 8th, some of the army options like AoS units and the dev's obsession with giving every army a female unit was a little odd.

New WFRP edition cover be looking like this.

>>96829516
I never played the older versions but ToW's magic seems pretty boring compared to what I've heard it was like in 8th. You kinda just spam spells just because you can.

>>96829578
i like it

>>96821258
Lucky you. I have 72 marauders to f***ing rebase

>>96829578
Looks very generic.

>>96829596
why not just get a movement tray that will make them 30?

>>96829578
I didn't even think it was new

>>96829578
I'm surprised Hosley is still doing covers for C7.
Interesting main party for the edition with a Slayer, Warrior Priest, Greatsword and a Kislev Archer

>>96829578
Those skellington halberdiers look so out of place, their uniforms and gear is way too pristine. Bet they were originally living soldiers responding to the attack and orders came at the last minute to make them undead instead.

>>96829704
might be Death's head Halbediers?
On second thought, the heraldry doesn't match seems to be Nuln rather than Ostermark.

>>96829578
still need to print out a copy of the TOW rpg, any reason to hold off for this edition or no?

A giant or a bonegrinder giant in my savage orc nomadic waagh army?

>>96829737
They are different game lines with different rule sets. I guess you can argue WFRP5e already is more supported since it is designed to be completely cross-compatible with the previous 4e splats.

>>96829743
fair, my group tried the starter for 4e and tl;dr felt it was too crunchy and not tight enough with the scenarios and outcomes so I was looking at the TOW rpg as a less crunchy and more 'on-rails' experience, just wondering if this new edition is also going in that direction.

>>96829773
TOW RPG is certainly less crunchy, so if that was a big issue with your group, i think it's fair to give TORPG a shake.
Going by interviews and a Q&A C7 did this new WFRP will remove some of the excess meta currency like Resiliance and use rules from later 4e splats like Group advantage or the new Channelling rules from Winds of Magic

>>96829578
Some of the extra art they showed off along with this cover a another Rat Catcher

>>96829805
thanks anon, looks like TOWRPG is the one. Mostly it's just time restriction, lucky to get together once a fortnight so it'd be ideal to keep it easy to keep track off and complete a scenario in each session so there's not too much to remember between sessions.

>>96829808
and a crowd scene with an agitator, they also include a rough contents of the core rulebook
>Upgrade without fear as most of the old content material in the Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay catalogue can still be used with the new rules.
>Five distinct Character types. Whilst most folk in the Old World are Human, they share their lands with stoic Dwarfs and garrulous Halflings, and receive visitors from the Wood Elf realms and High Elf kingdoms.
>64 distinct careers, representing the way of life your Character follows when not adventuring.
>A guide to the major religions of the Old World and the miracles performed by the Priests of these pantheons.
>Spells from several different magical traditions.
>A bestiary of foes, both common and scarce.
>Advice on running games as a GM.
>Streamlined rules for combat, pursuits, diseases and other perilous phenomena.

>>96829578
fun image, but warrior priest's head is kinda fucked.

>>96825133
Completely retarded reddit-tier notion. In what retarded universe is having a few very to absurdley strong units and a couple of completely useless point-wastes a good thing for casual and/or narrative play?
If anything it's everything but casual as you need to have a robust knowledge about which units are alright, which will completely demolish and which will do nothing and then build both lists around that to have a game that both players have a shot at winning (i.e. a fun game).

>Player A picks a waaghboss on a wyvern because he thinks it's cool
>Player B picks a waaghboss on foot because he thinks it's cool and a couple boys/boars/whatever that is not a wyvern to make up for the points difference
>Both quickly realize that playing is pointless because player A can't loose

>>96825632
You are an absolute retard as laid out here:
>>96829847

>>96819655 (OP)
Whos excited for the marauder kit going from 32 to 20 models, for $15 more? Me!!

Rebased my pistoliers.

>>96830004
You can buy the older marauders right now if you prefer them.

>>96830012
Not him but I did earlier this week.

>>96830012
you do have to order them from GW directly so no discounts

>>96825780
>And that's a shitty way of balancing since in actual competitive sports with real followings its never like that.
It's literally like that. Soccer is probably the most played sport worldwide and rules-wise both sides have an exactly equal chance to win (because the rules are symmetric). But your idiotic ass probably doesn't understand that because you don't understand the difference between rules and skill.

>It's just something spineless, dopamine deprived nerds tell themselves so they can feel like "champions" when they win.
It's actually the opposite of that, WAACfags are pretty happy about being able to stomp a good portion of the playerbase already at the list building stage because some units are so strong while others are so weak (read: unbalanced).

>You can't balance player skill, so the only way to achieve that desired 50/50 is to reduce "all factors".
Apart from missing the point you are also wrong. The Starcraft games are famous for being pretty deep and having lots of different units to choose from while still being incredibly well balanced both regarding units within a faction and regarding different factions against each other. The game is fun casually and competitively, so why can't Warhammer?
inb4
>go back to your vidya
No, I'm just giving a perfectly applicable example to show your bullshit is all retarded.

>>96826011
>shilling for his dying game and its sloptastic oversized minis

>>96830065
how big do you think dragons are?

>>96830010
it all looks quite good my friend! i have both empire and night gobbos to work on and basically ill never finish either :-Ddd

>>96826370
Your problem is that you don't understand that randomness, creative/unusual mechanics and asymmetry are not at all opposed to balance. In fact, they are completely independent things.
You can have fun and/or random things like a giant's attack table, fanatics or characters being able to be shot off their mounts (or the other way round) be perfectly balanced in the sense that picking a giant/fanatics/a dragon lord has a roughly 50% win chance. This is both fun and balanced.
The opposite example would be a unit that has no unusual rules but is massively undercosted and/or has hugely inflated stats (e.g. a 2+/5++/5+++ dragon lord with 9 wounds). This is both boring and unbalanced.

AoS can be both boring and badly balanced for all I care (and I bet it is). But I'd like my Warhammer Fantasy to be both fun and with no unit being an auto-loss or auto include (which sucks all the fun about list building as well).

>>96828718
Old World CHADS rise up.

>>96829808
That dog has a dick

>>96828718
Old World since I based my models for that.

>>96830353
you'll be surprised but 50% of dogs have dicks

>>96830036
>The Starcraft games
Probably the worst example you could have picked anon, Starcraft is dead as fuck. Dota and League are much less balanced and much more popular as an eSport.

>>96830122
Is this satire? What a disgusting fucking slob

>>96830122
I too prefer the old state troops.

>>96828718
TOW. I started in 5th, played 6th and 8th. I think I skipped 7th for some reason. I also played 9th Age few times, but I didn't like it. Now I play again in TOW and I love it. I even embrace rebasing (or using proper trays, adapters), because even old models barely fit 25 mm and 20 mm bases respectively.

whats that cosplay company GW teamed up with to make empire stuff?

>>96830707
A German company called Burgschneider

>>96830707
Koshka Fursuits.

>Doon Tha Toon to pick up some shit from asda
>Go past CEX
>Bunch of Warhammer in the window
>Get OOP beastmen bsb and Morghur for £28

The Gavebeast smiled on me this crooked moon beastbros.

>>96830724
>This summer Robb Schneider is a little lost
>falling into a wacky world while at a cosplay convention he is
>BURG SCHNEIDER
wait fuck that already happened

>>96830743
Kid Rock looks like if Snoop Dogg impregnated Robb Schneider.

>>96830738
Nice finds.

>>96828718
Armies Project by far but some of TOW's rules would be welcome in that system too.

Would i be correct to assume that the new tomb king blood bowl units are evidence that their refresh is soon (tm)

>>96830926
no, you would be incorrect, blood bowl is not indicative of anything else happening elsewhere, the only coincidence that ever happened was with the blood bowl team for chaos dwarfs released close to aos chaos dwarfs, but even then the designs were different

it is perfectly likely for tow to update the tomb kings' skeletons, but we have little ideas for when and no rumours on the horizon either

>>96830926
Nope we had Vampires a little while ago and Amazons before that.

>>96829578
>>96829808
>>96829822
Some femoids but no browns.
World is healing.

>>96830963
Femoids make sense for a tabletop RPG since there are a lot more women RPG players than wargamers. No many browns in either althoughbeit

>>96830963
Women showed up on every WFRP edition cover except first i think but's it's generally as mages or non-combat careers rather than Warrior priests

>>96828960
Thanks, mate.

>>96829578
female warrior priest?

>>96831365
Yeah, I guess tbf they were a thing in the MMO, but they weren't Bold like the one on the cover, who I think is based on a piece of Art that is from WFRP4e

>>96825252
Black Library's best

>>96827459
I really hope this is actually yours because just by looking at this shelf I can tell you have no friends and live either alone or with your parents.

>>96825298
I'm still assembling

>>96825732
>not S75
YWNBAGP

You now understand why women sculpt monsters

>>96823923
Here’s a pic of him, though I hadn’t painted the base rim at the time of this pic. Love my malding autist.

>>96831672
But why is it placed on top of a slinky?

>>96827233
>bayonets
At this point just use that one wizard mini with the grease gun SMG

>>96831600
I am married with 3 kids

>>96829423
As much as I hate 8th, that's a cozy pic.

>>96831821
Poor choice of words.

>>96830644
>old models barely fit 25 mm and 20 mm bases respectively.
It's definitely a QoL change. Though we'll see if it sticks or if GW ups scales shit.

Holy shit I'm basedfacing right now at the new chaos marauders

>>96831912
They're incredible and show the true potential of TOW.

>>96831912
>>96831944
I like them except the stupid horns on their cloaks everywhere. Would be a pain to remove a bunch of them.
Makes me wonder if it would be easier to just buy vikings and add oversized fur capes.

>>96830961
Chorfs in BB didn’t result in TOW Chorfs either.

>>96831912
This but unironically

>>96820241
Hard disagree, if you don't respect me enough rebase then I won't play with you simple as

>>96832134
Your terms are acceptable.

Just finished 12 of these f*ckers. Shit, that took forever. 6 more to go. HEY TOURNEY FAGS, GRAND CATHAY LOOKS REALLY COOL IF YOU ACTUALLY PAINT YOUR SHIT

>>96832320
>actually painted Grand Cathay

>>96832320
Looks very nice anon.
Good job.

>>96827586
GW does a lot of secondary kits like terrain, some game boxes or bases in china.
At least it was supposed to be just that but the new space marine pods are also from there. You can really tell when the quality goes through the floor. And that's saying something when comparing it to GW to begin with...

>>96827233
Estalia (Empire rules)

>>96826625
No I don't think a layman is going to immediately be able to tell the differences in art style between two sets of miniatures with similar, but different art styles.

>>96827241
>guys with guns
>brets

How are you liking Cathay bros?

>>96832612
>>96832612
>>96832612
>>96832612
New

Picture of the RH sprue. I did the actual foot one over the weekend so it's missing some. Liche priest I also finished sadly.

>>96828718
My group switch between 6th and 7th. 8th requires us to paint too many troops, TOW requires us to know too many rules, WAP doesn't have nice old printed books.

>>96832320
>expects me to believe cathay models get painted
You just shooped the paint on after taking the photo, didn't you?