Thread 96820387

Tribal Block Edition

>Bans
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>News
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>Search engines
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>Play online for free
https://untap.in/
https://dr4ft.info/

>What is EDH?
https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1

>The Slop is for the Pigs. Pigs eat Slop.
https://x.com/RealPokemoki/status/1972817965847617963

>WotC's War Crimes
https://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)
https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)

>Previously
>>96810626

>TQ
What are your favorite keyword abilities?

>>96820387 (OP)
>tq
Adventure cards

People don't expect much from the Ninja Turtles.

>>96820407
Jeezus

>>96820407
Kawabummer

>>96820407
Was there a poll for 2025?

>>96820387 (OP)
>state of nu MTG
that's it
I'M GOING TO CAST IT
YES, IT

Rat Demon Guide
2BB
Creature - Rat Demon
When this creature enters, each opponent discards a card, and you lose that much life.
Exile this card from your hand: Add B and you lose 2 life
1/1

>>96820825
Make it MR and you can cut the cost to 1B.

How about we make Elves but they are caveman almost ape like uga buga living in caves and using sticks to fight?
While we are at that we may as well make Slivers with 4 limbs and humanoid face and Kavus that are scientists and artifices!
How about we also make Cephalids that looks like humans except they are blue?
We can also Dragons without wings walking on foot and without a "breath weapon"!

Contract me WotC!

>>96820866
He's a common.

>>96820407
That's not very pizzariffic.

>>96820387 (OP)
>tq
KICKER like Kavu Titan

SLOP FOR THE SLOP GOD

>>96820607
This but unironically
SF is so gay it could make Mcdonalds worse

>>96821050
But is it gayer than Bolas?

>>96820407
>people are still that excited for more Marvelslop in 2025
>even after the Spidercuck set
Jesus. It's like a religion.

>>96821053
Nothing is gayer than Bolas.

If we all are pigs… Where is the ATLA slop?

>>96820407
>the most expected UB set of 2026 is this absolute shit
>not a single UB set overcomes the 10% of hype
Mmmm, mister Nosewater? I thought the whole majority of players accepted and were fairly enthusiastic about foreign IPs into Magic and sell the game like the cheapest whore in town? maybe there is more than pigs into this playerbase?


also Marvel subhumans deserve to be erased.

We're gonna eat good

https://newsroom.hasbro.com/news-releases/news-release-details/hasbro-reports-third-quarter-2025-financial-results
>Hasbro revenue grew 8%
>WotC revenue grew 55%
BASED WotC dabbing on chuds who want the game to die! UB enjoyers won!

>>96821809
>we're currently mapping out the early 2030's

>>96821809
>2030
2030
>2030
2030
>2030
2030
>2030
2030
>2030 with UB shits and K-pop, Twilight novel or SpongeBob real set all of them in the realm of possibilities for future of Magic.
Never, NEVER more cooked that currently, the game will become Cummander paradise at the cost of real Magic dying.

>>96821809
>mapping 2030

>>96821809
how many sets a year we will have in 2030 anons? maybe 1 each month? more than one? pigs need slop

>arrive at my LGS
>big dude crying outside
>his friend hugs him and tries to calm him down telling him it will be alright
>listen in
>I..I can't take it anymore. Week after week I get focused out first for playing Korvold. My deck is not even that strong, it's just not fair!
Is there a positive correlation between playing EDH and being gay?

>>96821867
New set every week generated by AI

>>96821809
say something nice about Mr. Mark Rosewater, the man that will control your game for the next decade, UB IPs included.

>>96821874
Unironically this, except it'll be once a month.
They'll try to market it as serialized expansions of the card pool while the cards and mechanics will all be bland and trivial, yet still pushed enough that you'll have to purchase from it to stay competitive in various formats. All objections will be overridden with data demonstrating that the line went up and that this clearly shows what the players really want.

>>96821809
>KPop Demon Hunters
>WWE
>Harry Potter
>Family Guy
>Game of Thrones
>Godfather
>Hello Kitty
>Kingdom Hearts
>Lord of the Rings (again)
>The Muppet Show
>Stranger Things
>Sailor Moon
>Roblox
>Skyrim
>Star Wars
>World of Warcraft

My dad works at wotc, this is the roadmap up to 2030

>>96821986
>16 UBs over 5 years
This is a lie because there's no way it will be fewer than 5 per year

>>96821809
>support all five colors
I feel like we dodged a bullet there

>>96822001
Worry not, they are in negotiations with Nintendo for various IPs such as Zelda and Disney for Pirates of the Caribbean

>>96822033
Wasn't there a vaacum cleaner fifth character?

>>96821874
you copy my post fucker >>96817231 i demand royalties

>>96822001
It's 4 years, we already know what's on the platter for 26 (Slop). You only need 20 and even less when you consider the shoo-in repeats.
>>96821986
More or less. I would substitute a few of the more out of place ideas for Warhammer or something like that, if I was betting my money.
>>96822056
Yes but a vacuum would be Colorless

>>96821986
>Roblox
>Hello Kitty
>Warcraft
BASED now i will become a PIG!

>>96821809
>mapping out early 2030's

>>96822114
He's clearly blue. UB colors are not representative of the personality of the characters, it's all about matching the color palette of the character design not to confuse new players.

I'd personally like Warhammer Fantasy, but it's hard to get a license for anything else than 40k.

>>96821986
My card

>>96821809
>2030 WILL have UB garbage too
>6+ sets a year non stopping
>More UB than actual Magic sets
>We have AT LEAST 5 more years worth of shitty IPs to keep prostituting Magic:The Gathering
No salvation.

>>96821809
I'm going to find this mans shareholders and hold them hostage, because god knows he won't care more about his family than the precious fucking shareholders. MaRo, you're DONE.

Just call the game Universes Beyond now. Magic is dead.

>>96822322
I really hope Fractured Reality will be about Jace closing the omenpath, marking an end of the hat sets. It would be hilariously sad if we kept getting hat sets in between the UB madness.

>>96822377
Even WotC has to realize that the omenpath approach is a complete failure at this point, right?

>>96822377
It's going to mark the start of the gay romance arc between Ugin and Bolas.

>>96821809
>We've got so many IPs left to exploit!

4chan Universes Beyond.
Stat her.

>>96821809
>mapping out early 2030’s

There's universe somewhere where:
>OG frames are still used
>blocks exist
>you can buy only draft boosters and 60card precons
>no commander products, not even precons
>MTGA doesnt exist
>foils dont curl
>Terese and Seb are still making art for MTG
>SL doesnt exist
>Modern Horizons don't exist
>Maro died in car crash

>>96821809
How can he say this shit when they are already running back to LOTR
Lying sack of shit

>>96821913
His stepmother is a nice lady that I know personally. She's scared of him. I think that says enough.

>>96822462
I mean they could do a FF set dedicated to each single game except for maybe the very first.

>>96822462
Because Lotr was best selling set ever after FF. And Hasbro wants the line to go up.

>>96821986
Kingdom Hearts is a legal nightmare. Getting Sora in smash was difficult as hell, don't see MTG touching it while lorcana exists

>>96822563
>Getting Sora

>only once per turn
>nonland permanent
>(tap) only as a sorcery
>finality counter
>after casting, exile this fard
All gay artifical handbrakes

>>96822616
>Whenever you cast your second spell each turn

>>96822626
>if this card would be put into a graveyard from anywhere, shuffle it into your library

>>96822647
>Artifact - Vehicle

>>96820407
>the hobbit this low
what happened? lotr was a smash hit

>>96822739
ub fatigue

>>96821809
ah a clear message ppl can drop this game for the next 6 years at least, straight from the source

>>96822452
Even better
>MaRo was fired instead of put back into design after the Weatherlight expansion.
>TSR doesn't go belly up, we get Pete Venters MTG rpg instead.
>WotC lost the bid for Pokemon to Ironcrown Games or White Wolf, never bought out by Hasbro.
>No Hasbro, no new card frame.
>No SL, NO MH or Masters sets.

Also:
>No Maro. no free mechanic from Urza's
>No MaRo, no dredge
>No MaRo, no Cumpanions
>No MaRo, no scifi sets (including Mirrodin)
>No MaRo, no sabotage of Saviors of Kamigawa.
>No Raffinity
>no JTMS

I don't give a fuck. I've not played paper Magic since og Zendikar. I only play on Arena, and casually playing make enough gold to buy 50 packs with every set release.

>>96822387
Omenpaths are fine. It's literally just "There's planar portals around. Some are stable, some are random". You can do a ton of stuff with that. Shithole planes spilling out refugees/monsters onto less fucked planes, interplanar wars, races encountering their counterparts from other planes. The problem is just that WotC chose to do fucking nothing with it except having some non-planeswalker named characters show up somewhere else. Where the fuck is my interplanar vampire cartel? Where is my set about Thalia leading her people across the planes to the promised land? Where is my Kamigawa-Kaladesh planar war?
>Sorry, best we can do is gay cowboys and a spooky mansion
>How about some Spider-Man instead? :^)

>>96822739
People like LOTR. People just kinda... Know the Hobbit. It doesn't help that the LOTR movies are great, and the Hobbit movies... Exist.

>>96821809
Mapping out doesn't actually mean they have sets planned for that far ahead, it's more they have concepts for what might be there. UB sets take about 4-ish years to actually be made overall so nothing's set in stone after about 2028.

Cute Summer of Magic art that got made for Australia for some reason. Who let Tezzeret in the car.

>>96823214
>loot
it's shit

>>96820387 (OP)
My favorite precon deck.
Really liked Coldsnap and in general 2000s mtg art. 90's also had good stuff, but some of it was too zany for me in style.

What will Magic get for spookyween?

>>96822153
>I'd personally like Warhammer Fantasy,
That might be one UB I would like, provided they do not pozz it, somehow. Warhammer Invasion had some cool art and sexy dark elf ladies.

>>96822387
>>96823087
If they make planes too mushed up and bland (truly, globohomo) then they are boring and bad. If they are used sparingly, then they are ok.

>>96822420
Yotsuba, Queen of 4chan
G
1/1
When Yotsuba enters, you gain 4 life
Fortune - {T}: create a treasure token
Summon Anons - {T}, Exert Yotsuba: Create two 1/1 white Human creature tokens

>>96823293
Well the intent seems to be to have only occasional cameo appearances outside of big 'crossover-y' sets. Like for example Lorwyn's only Omenpath visitors will be the Strixhaven students (and there'll be a Planeswalker I'm sure). Reality Fracture will presumably be the next one of that ilk, though unlike OTJ and DFT there's at least more of a clear 'reason' for why that'd be a thing.

>>96822420
Old 4chan would have made a set like that themselves.
>>96822795
Anyone play on xMage, Forge? Dare I ask, MTGO?

>>96821809
>currently mapping out the early 2030's
the "five Marvel sets" theory was correct
it is literally so over

>>96822153
>it's all about matching the color palette of the character design not to confuse new players.
so I'm not the only one who noticed that the Fire Nation shouldn't be red lol

>>96823087
>It's literally just "There's planar portals around. Some are stable, some are random".
no it's NOT fine, the coolest thing about magic from lorwyn onward is that the planes existed independently of each other, that's why they went through so much trouble to contrive a lore retcon with the Mending

>>96823214
Oh shit it's loot. Imagine being a mascot and then disappearing from your game for like a whole year.

>>96823335
I played MTGO waay back when, when they gave you like a free deck to fuck around with. Not sure if they do it anymore. I also tried those card lending schemes. I don't know man, I am not doing it anymore.
Never tried any of the emulators truth to be told. I don't have much free time to play games anymore, so I appreciate that Arena is just click go, you don't have fun alt+f4 and nobody cares.

>>96823360
The Fire Nation's Red/Black which very much fits with an aggressive imperialist nation?

>>96821500
>ATLA
I only care about 3 things for them. If they make good looking cards for Azula, Suki and June. No more, no less.

>>96823293
I think it can be used radically. In fact, my problem is that WotC isn't using it radically enough. If you're not going to use it in a radical way, then why bother at all? Just for fucking cameos? Fuck off.

Meng for me.

>>96823520
I'm sure "X Plane vs Y Plane" sets are at least being concepted. Kamigawa vs Ikoria for example, mechs vs monsters.

>>96821809
Yum

>>96823394
They have more marketable mascots from other companies now
Wait till the star wars set with baby yoda

>>96823214
I want to run loot over with that car I hate that little stupid fucking beast.

>>96823573
Probably at least one set, but it's shocking to me that it would take so long when this kind of shit seems like one of your first ideas when you introduce the concept of easy interplanar travel. Instead we got Kellan dicking around and a bunch of villains doing a gay cowboy LARP party. Somehow in these past few years, the only remotely impactful use of the omenpaths was fucking whacky races.
Fucking whacky races.
Jesus.

>>96823381
I always thought the most interesting thing was when a plane had some oddity that was a result of some oldwalker fucking around. Like slivers or, hell, the entirety of Mirrodin.

>>96823426
in descending order they should be white then black then red. black first if you want to emphasis the invasion aspect.
zuko's cards have him literally malding about his jealousy and ambitions which is the most black thing ever but nope they're red because fire and also he wears red
Zuko's in Mardu colors for his Rare but let's be honest they only did that so he could have more color identity for coommander
the only Fire Nayshun character we see on a white card is uncle Iroh in this card because he's standing in front of the WHITE lotus (get it?? it's a white card because the lotus is WHITE)

Hellsing UB when? What colors they would be? Alucard would be Rakdos, Seras would be Boros, Integra Izzet and Walther Azorius.

>>96822795
Is buying packs on Arena worth it at all?

Me personally, I save all my gold for drafts. (I don't even pay for the Mastery Pass, it is too stingy).

>>96824010
I play only Pioneer so I don't have the push to collect all the chase cards. But I also play shitbrews exclusively, so I like to have a lot of cards to pick from. 50 packs give you enough in the form of cards, and wildcards, to build what you generally want.

>>96823986
Anderson should be WWWWW and have Regenerate and Hexproof.

>>96823214
Fake news i don't see Spiderman, Cloud or even future Magic characters like Spock.

if you're playing arena and not even moding your cards with nsfw coomer art, you're doing it wrong and probably paypig too oink oink

>>96824212
sauce?

>>96824212
Imagine the face of your opponents when they see your cards; wait they don't. Lame

>>96824317
But the cards I want banned are the expensive cards

Ive been enjoying this game so much lately by just putting on blinders to new stuff and just playing pauper and premodern. I recommend you all do the same.

>>96823956
I'd argue they're Black first, then Red, then White. They want conquest for control's sake, but also a lot of it is just for power's sake on the part of the Fire Lord. Ozai doesn't really care about controlling the world, he just wants to have the power that comes from that, hence him being Black.

>>96824248
rule34's first page searching for both characters

>>96824287
yeah and also since it's local i see nsfw art on their cards too

>>96824347
>rule34's first page searching for both characters
my mistake, I checked xxx and not paheal

>>96824347
Speaking of that, Magic's rule34 is surprisingly lacking in numbers.

>>96824212
I've seen from your previous screenshots, you are a pedophile. Keep your perversions to yourself.

>>96824395
no it's not. magic is super small specially these days and no amount of shilling or pr marketing lies will change that especially now that ub is making enfranchised players leave

>>96823956
They've got a strong notion of discipline, which you could place as White, but I wouldn't put it as their defining trait. For all of Zuko's talk about honor, the society as a whole doesn't put much emphasis on it. I don't think we see a single honest Agni Kai duel in the whole show. Zuko seems to be the only person who takes the concept seriously. The leadership is almost gleeful to use underhanded tactics and use sacrificial pawns. Aggression and ambition tends to be rewarded over teamwork or morality.
The Fire Nation is Black first, then Red, and then a little White.

>>96824317
are you saying i must be forced to play against Vivi, Cutter, Mice package, Nemesis or ? Fuck that man.

>>96821809
Whats MaRos goal, he already made cash, does he really wants to achieve Richard Garfield Status?
He is doing the opposite, he is only going to be remember as the corpo shill that ran magic into the ground

>>96823986
I think Walter would have to have two cards, or a transforming one. I'd be considering Dimir for him, or at least nearer to the end.
Heck, with that, you could have most of the rest the rest be able to transform for what they become. Though I'm not certain what Integra would flip to be.

>>96824478
magic's already been run to the ground thanks to this idiot's design "philosophy" where everything is double

double tokens, double effects, double cards, dfc, flashback, modal, etc etc

this fucking retard and his autism has poluted this game beyond salvation

>>96824505
>hating flashback
>hating charms
Silence, low intelligence tripfag

My favourite planeswalker is Gideon Jura. I know he died in War of the Spark, but will we ever see him again? Maybe resurrected? Maybe as a zombie? Maybe as a callback? I hope so.

Any Premodern tournament players?
What's up with Goblins suddenly crushing events.

>>96824881
The Fractured Reality will adopt the Boom comics timeline, so in a way.

>>96824881
I get angry every time I see Liliana, Gideon dies for her sins and she'll do some stupid shit and not learn

>>96825012
I always hate how they had her be this evil, vile, angel-killing, demon cocksucking whore of a cunt, and then try to force some redemption arc after Gideon white knights himself for her. Just look at the reprint art of LOTV where the artist depicts her as all mopey sad looking and “uwu I’m so shy now, peas forgive me?”
Nah, Garruk should have finished choking that bitch to death.

They've announced yet another of their Untold Stories comics, this time about Jace. Unclear what ABOUT Jace, but apparently more during his Consortium years.

>>96825113
It's gonna be about the time he walked in on Ugin and Bolas having sex and it gave him so much brain damage it explains his actions from OTJ onward.

>>96825113
It might also just be sort of an overview of his whole life story because one of the covers has Vraska, Tajic... I'm not sure who the minotaur is and also Adeliz is there for some reason.

>>96825113
>but apparently more during his Consortium years.
That cover is clearly him chilling on Ixalan though.

>>96825152
Yeah, could be meant to be what the fuck he was up to between Zendikar Rising and All Will Be One, he was just sort of not around for that period.

>>96820407
>People don't expect much from the Ninja Turtles.
Cause it looks like shit.
>>96821514
They will point to Final Fantasy and truly unfortunately Lord of the Rings sales so show people want them even if their current wave will flop. Which I expect all upcoming ones will with the exception of *maybe* Avatar.
At least FF was actually faithful and a well done set. Avatar seems like it will be similar in that regard.
>>96822739
Hopefully they realized that LotR was a bastardization and now they expect The Hobbit to be similar.

>>96824661
block and do not interact. this dude has to be a plant so there is something more toxic than hasbro in this thread.

>>96821913
As a pig I have to admit: Nosewater makes some delicious slop.

>>96821913
I do actually like how communicative he is. I like going through the design docs he posts, these are always very interesting reads

>>96821913
He is the lighting rod for WOTC and Hasbro. He doesn't deserve much of the shit he's getting.

>>96824505
based. fuck doubling every fucking set

>>96825563
now THIS is a plant if I've ever seen one

>>96825580
Shit on Cocks, people who are actually making decisions.

why

>>96823255
This is what Commander wanted to be but was never able to. Iconic art, deck with personality, Something simple that people want to buy.

I wish WotC wasn't as retarded as they are. Brawl had a good chance of being good but wotc fucked it.

The sad thing is: they saw how good the guild kits did but they were unable to do 1+1...

>>96825631
Was confused what you meant at first, but yeah. The oversaturation of the colors kinda saps some of the "horror" vibes from the card.

>>96825583
no-one has ever said anything positive about cocks but that doesn't mean MaNo should get a break either

>>96825631
they think new players get confused and put a counter on every Stromkirk Noble in play instead of only the one that did the damage

>>96825631
>>96825674
Because Foundations isn't an Innistrad set. To be visually cohesive with Foundations means removing the beige filter of Innistrad.

>>96825724
misreplied but who cares

Arena Vintage Cube is going to have no Alchemy Cards and no Initiative Cards.
It's essentially just Vintage Cube.
How can Arena get a win that big?

>>96825376
Trans hands typed this

>>96825571
ty fuck doubling indeed it's for severe low iq morons

MUST CONSOOOOOOOOOM SLOOOOOOP

>>96823986
Stuff like this pisses me off because as much as I want wotc to stop pumping out so many UBs if they did Hellsing they would have me lapping that shit up like a good little piggy.

>>96826025
kek

>>96826092
Its not that hard
Hell im a TNG superfan, and Im I'm limiting myself to JLP and the enterprise D

>>96823956
Do note that, while color identity is primarily tied to ethos, it's also tied to the literal magical abilities a character uses. Regardless of personality, a pyromancer is red because fire is tied to red mana.

>>96826092
I'm a huge fan of Final Fantasy, but I haven't picked up a single card from the UB. It helps that they absolutely butchered my favorite character and my favorite FF games got shafted in favor of more fellation of the most popular entries.

>>96820387 (OP)
>TQ
Islandwalk

>>96826092
>literal Nazis
>fanatical Catholics
>no black people
Problematic. Maybe there were some blacks in Wild Geese, I cannot remember.

Nebraska boomin

>>96826933
>Nebraska boomin
Wizards of the Coast?
More like Wizards of the Corn xD

>>96823087
can rafaamlock compete with the quest shit?

>>96826933
>are all at record levels.
Literally fucking where. In what universe. At what LGS. WHERE IS THIS THE CASE LITERALLY ANYWHERE IN THE FUCKING WORLD.

>>96826933
NEBRASKA CHADS RISEEEEE

>>96826933
i don't believe a single corpo faggot lie.

>>96826933
> sales in new channels like Mass
The fuck is that?

>>96826933
>2030 UB shit already decided
>The suits tell every investor game is doing "good"
>The revenues of Hasbro and WotC in particulary grow
Is a good time to leave this game, bros?

>>96827100
>Is a good time to leave this game, bros?
A good time to leave the game was fucking ten years ago.
A better question is:
For what reason have you kept wading through this shit swamp?

>>96827095
They sell MTG packs at Catholic Mass across continental Europe now. The Catholic church was hoping to get more kids interested in the religion.

>>96821913
>say something nice about Mr. Mark Rosewater
One day he will die.

>>96827137
You have problems dude.

>>96827042
It's called "fudging the numbers before the inevitable"

>>96827042
the market works like the WAAAGH in Warhammer.
You're not allowed to do anything that might cause the investors to think the game is doing badly because that would have dire economic consequences

>>96823986
All I see is "OINKOINKOINK"

>lived long enough to see your hobby turn into smash brothers
how do you call this curse?

>>96827567
The bigger they are, the harder they fall.

>>96826933
I just don't get it. They keep telling me that Magic is doing better than ever. More Magic cards are being sold than ever. More people playing than ever. More people attending events than ever. More enthusiasm than ever. Every record ever is broken every time. But everything I see with my eyes indicates decline. The content creators are tired. The stores are empty. The metas are stagnant.
How much can they blatantly lie to investors? When does this cross the threshold into fraud?

>>96827651
But anon! Think about the revenue!!! Hasbro is increasing! WotC is increasing!! The wheel keeps turning! The line goes up!!! So all things considered the current policies including UB sets must continue until the line goes so up you can’t see it!

It's absolutely true.

pigs won, deal with it, or leave.

>>96827697
n-no they're just lying to all their investors trust me anon I alone know the truth!

>>96824317
Finally someone who agrees that all formats should be abolished with a single eternal format with 60 cards, no copy limit, and no bans. I want to see what the abolute best strategy is with all the gloves off.

I disagree.

>>96827771
They're not lying.
Gutting the future of a company is extremely profitable short-term

>>96827651
Scalpers are the only customers they care about right now

Retarded newfag with a question.

Do counters negate each other? Specifically talking about persist, I'm thinking of adding a card with it to my deck. Theory crafting so far but...

if I have to add a -1/-1 counter, can I add a +1/+1 to remove it or will it have both and thus die for good next time it dies?

>>96827842
Specifically those two counters do negate each other, yes.

>>96827842
Yes, those two have a specific interaction where they'll actually remove each other, not just cancel out. So if you add one of each you'll end up with a creature that has no counters. It's a pretty common way to abuse persist creatures.

>>96827842
They do if it's an equal amount of each. It'll be like the creature has no counters at all.

>>96827818
>They definitely are only getting short-term profits from this and literally no new players are sticking around

Even if JOTC went bankrupt they would still never apologize or admit fault. Straight out of you-know-who’s playbook

>>96827894
They will say that the company was destroyed by antisemitism and anti-scientific crowd (and they have internal data to show)

>>96827888
>They definitely are only getting short-term profits from this
definitely outweighs mid and long term in the decision chain.
>and literally no new players are sticking around
some players are sticking around, but the damage being done to the game is structural and no realistic amount of new blood can fix that

>>96821809
>5 years planned of total slop-pocalyse
I didn't have much hope of MtG becoming playable anytime soon, but now I have none.

>>96827771
No, seriously, who the fuck are these people who were apparently buying tons of EOE and SPM? Where do they buy Magic? Where do they play Magic? How do they play Magic?
The only rational explanation I can come up with is some massive invisible majority of normalfags that exclusively buys from Amazon or big-box stores and then just sits on their cards at home except for the occasion that they can coerce a relative or friend into playing some kitchen table with them. That, or there's some critical underestimation of just how many pure collectors and speculators are out there.

>>96827935
>play
>Magic
Bros scalpers are the target audience ... Magic isn't a game anymore. It is a collector hobby.
Forget about your Johnny Timmy Spike.

>>96827922
>some players are sticking around
I'll believe it when I see it. I'll be curious to see the numbers 5 or 10 years from now. Call me a cynic, but I think if the only reason you got into Magic was the LotR set or Spiderman or whatever, in that amount of time a new shiny product will probably distract the goyims mind and they'll throw money at something new because it features (X thing they like and hopeless throw money at).

>>96827945
what should we call him?
bibi?
rudy?
jordan?

>>96827953
reminds me when Nintendo when all in on casual gamers
turns out casual gamers are fickle

>>96827957
Jessica (commander creature)
Shekelberg (scalper)
Cuck (collector)

>>96827922
>>96827953
I'd love to see data on player retention from UB sets, but realistically WotC is the only people capable of collecting the data on a statistically significant scale and their word can't be trusted for shit.

>>96827971
These people don't care about player retention. They care about the churn. If a set causes 25% playerbase to disappear but they gain 26% from scalpers and collectors it shows up as growth on the sheet.

Vorthos players in shambles

>>96827971
The current data they've said is that on average, people who get into the game and actually play it because of UB tend to stick around more than people who play it on a whim. Which I'd believe, honestly, because the attachment of UB means they develop a bit more an interest in trying the game out more thoroughly than just "cards seem fun". It's definitely not pushing away that many players either, despite what you idiots here are saying. SPM flopped mostly on the basis of being just a bad set (and we still don't REALLY know how badly it did, if it just did poorly at LGSes for example, it definitely did better than DFT). The biggest buyers of UB (after already-enfranchised players which, of course) are apparently lapsed players, and then new players.
Whether or not you believe this data is another thing, but market research data can be misinformed or biased but it's usually not completely 100% wrong.

>>96827988
I like that we're getting comics and a novel.

>>96827988
I liked Tarkir, Duskmourn, Bloomburrow, and Eternities, but all the others seemed bad. And UB is too much of a blatant cashgrab to take seriously.

>>96827997
There have been comics and novels in the past and I guarantee you they are all better than whatever shit we're about to get.

>>96827988
i honestly dont believe they were even real in the first place

>>96828025
The first Elspeth comic issue was pretty good.

>>96828029
Probably because we aren't generally interested in being competitive. If I randomly have an opportunity to reenact some shit from the lore during a game, you bet I'm going to do that, practicality be damned.

>>96828029
i mean, in a world without FIRE i wouldn't mind making a thematic deck with less than ideal meta options

like a Boros deck that actually felt like the Ravnica Boros guild and not a pile of goodstuff from 5 disconnected sets

AHHHH WotC banned this card! It is referencing a no-no card!

I don't get it.

>>96828015
>Duskmourn
>Eternities
I'm taking your card away

>>96826092
I am a goy and I eat pigs

>>96821809
I come back to check on /mtg/ maybe once a week now since quitting the game when they announced next years sets/pig slop meme happened. I sometimes think "maybe I was overreacting a bit." Then I see this. If you continue to buy this game you are KEKED you are getting FUCKED

Maybe there's someone here who needs to read this.
IT IS TIME TO QUIT. IT WILL NEVER GET BETTER. YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME AND MONEY.

>>96821913
The secret lair when he gets cancer and dies will be awesome I hope they reprint Ghazban Ogress

>>96828134
The only bad thing about Duskmourn was the survivor designs and the story they tried to tell. As a setting it was amazing.

>>96828177
>The only bad thing about Duskmourn was the survivor designs and the story they tried to tell.
gee anon, anything else?

>>96828177
Even the side stories were pretty good, it was just the main story that was shit.

>>96828177
>if you ignore all the modern day stuff like cheerleaders, cameras, televisions, chainsaws which were designed to set up for the New York UBs

>>96828177
I dont unsderstand if they wanted to make a horror set instead of going 80's movie house set they didn't go D&D demiplane of terror

>>96828177
if you also denounce the SAW/Ghostbuster references and the awful retrotech I MIGHT reconsider

Ayy lmao

>>96828177
It's easier to just say the only good thing about Duskmourn was the monsters. And even then you need the caveat of not including the ones that were lame references.

>>96823255
NOSTALGIA DOPAMINE HIT.
The Darien starter deck was the first magic product I ever bought. I started magic in coldsnap

>>96828149
Don't eat me bro. I just wanna do some commander and chill with my trans gf (male).

i just want snow lands reprints, dont care if they are shaped like dildos and pizzas

>>96828177
They hated him because he told the truth. Duskmourn went way harder than it had any right to.
>>96828204
That's exactly what they did
>demon is bound to the house
>so it made the house bigger
>every now and then, somebody taking an omenpath just never arrives, they end up in Duskmourn
>nobody actually lives here, you just haven't died yet

>>96827988
>Vorthos players in shambles
>>96828029
>i honestly dont believe they were even real in the first place
I guess I'll bite and say I was definitely one. I got into magic gathering almost exclusively for the pretty card art and flavor text and flavorful mechanics. I played kitchen table mtg with friends during lunch when I was in middle and high school, then when I went to college I dabbled in standard and some EDH (where I played Angel Tribal because I thought they were the prettiest)
95% of my enjoyment of magic the gathering is pretty art and cool flavor text, and those old narrative short stories they'd upload on their website. Eldritch Moon was probably the last time I really liked a set for its flavor, although one Ajani short story from Kaladesh was really nice but I think I just have a soft spot for the catman because I started in Lorwyn/Shadowmoor.

I'm one of the people who actually liked shit like the unofficial PlaneShift material they made for D&D and used shit like the Guildmaster's Guide to Ravnica. Especially the last ~5 or so years I've played way more TTRPGs than I have MTG, but even when I barely kept up with MTG sets I'd still look at card art and use it for character art and such. I never seriously cared about competitive magic, the only real competitive format I really liked was Sealed/Draft since opening packs and playing with random stuff you get to keep is fun.
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/magic-story/saint-traft-and-flight-nightmares-2016-07-13

Universes Beyond means we don't get in depth explorations of a plane's culture and inhabitants and quirks anymore, we don't even get actual blocks with multiple sets within a plane, it's one-and-done tourism in between more fortnite crossovers. I don't even play in-universe magic the gathering cards if I think the art is ugly or the flavor text sucks, why the fuck would I care about ninja turtles or avatar the last airbender?

>>96828249
you could Use stablished non LMAO 80's sets like Barovia or the circus

>>96827988
>Vorthos players in shambles
wait what happened now?I just opened the thread.
>>96828029
>i honestly dont believe they were even real in the first place
i'm kinda a vorthos guy. I really like some of the art and the idea of the 5 color pie and shit.

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=WkXAAHDIN7U

>>96828208
Saw references were fine; I can totally buy that some razorkin got a hardon for psychologically tormenting their victims before killing them. Ghostbusters was ridiculous, and the retrotech is covered in "survivor design".
Someone succinctly summarized the problems as along the lines of "A great horror set held back by silly references that create unwanted levity."

>>96828255
>I'm one of the people who actually liked shit like the unofficial PlaneShift material they made for D&D and used shit like the Guildmaster's Guide to Ravnica. Especially the last ~5 or so years I've played way more TTRPGs than I have MTG, but even when I barely kept up with MTG sets I'd still look at card art and use it for character art and such. I never seriously cared about competitive magic, the only real competitive format I really liked was Sealed/Draft since opening packs and playing with random stuff you get to keep is fun.
>https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/magic-story/saint-traft-and-flight-nightmares-2016-07-13
one thing i dislike about it is that the magic system in MtG is so different from D&D that its feels weird to stat things in that system. i say this as someone who like D&D as well.

I understand that they probably didnt want to create a whole new mana system or something, but it still feels weird to me.

>>96828261
Yeah, bridge too far, but when they're not being >>96828269 THAT overt about it, it does land pretty well.

>>96826025
stop posting my pictures, bro

>>96823956
>>96824450
what colors would you say iroh is? White/blue (and maybe red)?

>>96828269

no anon, it's not only a basesball bat...
it's a baseball bat for {G}{W}!

>>96828286
UB confirmed into 2030 at least.

>>96828296
Yeah stuff doesn't translate 1:1, there's not "mana" in D&D and the color pie vs alignments are different, but stuff like the Theros book was still really interesting and had a lot of neat mechanics and stuff that was useful even if you didn't like Magic much, like Mythic monsters, boons, the patronage system, etc. I'll certainly take that kind of crossover over Dr. Who or Star Trek

>>96828269
>tap up to one target creature
seriously wasted opportunity to not make this use Stun counters, you're gonna add a fucking bat to the game and not even let it bonk people on the head?

>>96828307
UW, yeah. He's big on family, stability, and honor. But he's also pretty sneaky and the whole reason he's so strong is because he's adaptable and studies traits of all elements.

>>96828333
The draft archetype was for tapping your own creatures. But that archetype is "highschoolers", so fuck 'em.

>>96828335
i mentioned blue because he's also about wisdom (there's also the deception and uncover aspects)

>>96828307
>what colors would you say iroh is? White/blue (and maybe red)?
White/Blue/Red/Jeskai. He's calm and collected but not emotionally detached like Azorius, and his past as the Dragon of the West is firmly Red. His grief and intense guilt over the death of his son is also Red; the reason he goes so far for Zuko is to try and do for him what he couldn't his own child, and later in the series when he gets serious he shows that he's still got that "dragon" inside him when he gets fucking shredded in prison and breaks out.

>>96828307
White/Red. He's an old-school honorable warrior serving an increasingly dishonorable regime, and he personifies the internal resistance of the Fire Nation's old values toward the Fire Lord's crazed ambitions.

is this tree floating?

>>96828382
no it's one of those weird trees with freestanding roots just exaggerated for fantasy's sake.

>>96828387
what species do that?

>>96828382
>the mountain fell
>Boseiju endures
no clue if that's canon or not, but it sounds cool.

>>96828395
i dont know what it grew on before, but i assumed thats similar to the vibe they were going for

>>96828394
nta but I know mangroves can look like that, if the water level goes down

>>96828307
Green

>>96824913
Ahoy
Goblins is a popular nostalgic deck that is actually good, and it isn't ridiculously expensive to build. One component of it doing well is just being played a lot. There are like 10 fucking players that have Goblins in my ~40 person tournaments.
Another is mental load. Goblins plan is straight forward, easy to sideboard for, and not mentally taxing to play. In a 8+ round tournament, that can be a huge blessing, especially for less experienced players. Games usually don't go to time on Goblins either, so you have more mental unload time and can even get food or go outside between rounds.
Lastly, Goblins is well positioned in the meta right now. Oath (while being hard for Goblins) is also running defense for Goblins by pushing out most midrange strategies. Parallax Tide also pushes out a lot of midrange. For individual match ups, Goblins is also great at beating up on a lot of cheap "meta" decks that format tourists or beginners will flock to, like UW Control, BW Control, Madness, The Rock, most the Survival decks

>>96827988
Been in shambles for more than a decade now.

>>96828222
>The Darien starter deck
I have that one too. I wish I had all Coldsnap decks. But I can play them on Forge anyway.

>>96827935
I have no idea who the hell was picking up SPM but EOE did very well and plenty of cards from the set see play.

>>96828395
The lore is that the tree got pissed off that modern skyscrapers were bigger than it so it started growing again to show everyone who's boss.

>>96829026
>The lore is that the tree got pissed off that modern skyscrapers were bigger than it so it started growing again to show everyone who's boss.
really?

>>96829041
That's what I read, yeah.

>>96827697
>Final Fantasy Set Sold well
Oh, really?

Why is this news even a thing? Everyone knew it did.
Good UB does sell. LotR, FF did sell well.
Spooderman did not.
ATLA will sell good too.
TMNT will probably not sell well.
Marvel Slop will probably not sell well.

>>96829065
>>96829041
The original card was also "Boseiju, who shelters all" so if he's going to shelter everyone in a place full of giant skyscrapers he's gotta get big enough to match

>>96825583
>Shit on Cocks
hehe

play

premodern

>>96829081
>ATLA will sell good too.
honestly I'm kind of curious whether this will be the case. a 20 year old children's cartoon with a poorly handled sequel that kind of shat all over it is not remotely comparable to fucking FINAL FANTASY or THE LORD OF THE RINGS, two of the most highly influential pieces of fantasy to ever exist, that both predate Magic the Gathering to begin with.
Are there enough aging millenials with disposable income to buy huge amounts of Avatar the Last Airbender cards? the MCU and Spiderverse movies are also really popular with dumb millenials and this set was a total flop, is a 20 year old children's cartoon really gonna fare better?

Avatar is popular, but it's not more popular than fucking Spider-Man and even that couldn't carry a set. If this shit was coming out in 2012 yeah I bet it'd do really well, but the people who watched ATLA as a ten year old and Korra as a teenager are now in their 30's

>played the new phoenix dredge variant in today's modern LGS weekly
>turn 2 ox into turn 3 lethal because I managed to flip 3 arclights, 2 creeping chills a conflagrate and 2 lava darts
Went 3-1, but this is the most fun Ive had playing this format in a long time. Only lost to neobrand, which I cant be too mad at because I play a degenerate deck too

>>96821913
>say something nice about Mr. Mark Rosewater, the man that will control your game for the next decade, UB IPs included.
he's right about hybrid mana in edh, it's been retarded you couldn't use Boros Reckoner in an Akroma deck from day 1. Sheldon's a retard and the EDH rules committee were insufferable faggots.
That said, EDH should go back to only being able to generate types of mana in your commander's converted mana cost, and color identity should only count mana symbols in CMC. No more WUBRG commanders that are fucking monocolored permanents like kenrith. The only WUBRG commanders need to cost 5+ mana like progenitus.

>>96828242
You rang?
https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=released&q=%21%22Snow-Covered+Wastes%22+include%3Aextras&unique=prints

>>96829107
>Boseiju, Who is Going to Shelter All Dammit

>>96828242
>i just want snow lands reprints
They're going to be reprinted in the Candy Crush UB as icing sugar frosted slop lands.

>>96829041
>>96829107
Basically, the lore of NEO was absolute fucking shit. It was a bunch of fabricated nonsense for sole purpose of propping up a boring MacGuffin plot.

I do not know why anyone thinks it was a good set.

>>96829368
It played well.
I personally hate what they did to Kamigawa as a setting and the lore of it but Wizards fucking hates the plane.

ban amulet
ban amulet
ban amulet

>>96829443
it's really funny that thanks to edh resulting in hundreds of legendaries every few years that a Betrayers of Kamigawa card from 20 years ago is now considered an absolute staple when it was famously dunked on as a weak set inferior to mirrodin at the time

>>96829443
11% is fine. Most people playing it in lower levels fuck up the lines anyway so you don't see it as much. I see way more slickshots at the moment.

>>96829443
>Samwise Gangee combo

>>96829477
Kamigawa being a weak useless set has always been wrong anyway. Old modern had a load more cards from it that saw active use than a lot of other blocks
>Kataki
>pithing needle
>Breach
>Kiki
>Minamo
>jitte
>lantern of insight

>>96829443
Does anyone else miss when decks had weird names like Pickles or the Rock?

>>96829574'
if you'd do a full tuned on vs affinity block kamigawa block deck, and put a mirrodin affinity standard deck against it i don't think you'd exceed 30% win rate

>>96829604
Well yeah Mirrodin was retarded. But that wasn't the point, the point was that it has way more cards in it that were played heavily across formats than people think.

>>96829618
ok, but soulshift was absolute shit, the commons were extremely overcosted, the hand size matter card managed to give us shit like Kitsune Bonesetter, and the flavor was too confusing for average player then, just imagine what would happen if current slopgoys would get a set like that

>>96829657
ok but ninjutsu fucking rocks and arcane has some neat stuff

>>96829657
13 year old me fucking loved Soulshift.

>>96825631
>>96825719
And any intelligent player would be able to remember how any card that's referencing itself by name works after being corrected once, but this game isn't simply designed for newbies, which would be bad enough, it's designed for "everyone," and "everyone" includes chronic retards who can't imagine how they'd feel if they didn't have breakfast this morning, but it doesn't include you. If you don't like where the game is right now, WotC doesn't think you're a person.

>>96829574
>>lantern of insight
I think it's funny that I've also made this mistake in the past but lantern is from 5th dawn

>>96821835
Keep your hatred strong, brother. Only its fire can light your path forward through this encroaching darkness.

>>96829774
It's because everyone thinks Lantern of Insight is Reito Lantern. They even both have art by a Hildebrandt brother too.

>>96821874
Is it bad that their card design sucks so much these days I suspect AI could do a better job?

>>96829774
My life has been a lie.

>>96826802
>wtf i love hellsing UB now

>>96829576
We'll never have that again. Sets release so rapidly now that no one deck sticks around long enough to earn a name.

>>96828249
Duskmourn had a few highlights...

>>96829774
What the fuck, I thought it came out in Saviors because of the symbol.

>>96823986
>I think [characters from the same faction] should have [wildly different colors]

>>96829443
>amulet gets banned
>field of the dead gets unbanned
ngl I'm fine with this

Duskmourn was ABSOLUTELY Kino.
I would take a whole DSK block over MKM, BLB, OTJ, DFT, MOM, BRO or SNC

>>96829943
Modern is so trashy right i wouldnt even be mad with this

All Duskmourne monsters were cool.

>>96829964
Redwall>Stranger Things

>>96829964
>>96829996
But all of the humans are weird and not cool...

>>96829964
What I don't get about DSK is the need to shove in all the 20th century technology and references. Like, why can't we have typical MTG wizards, soldiers, etc trapped in the house? There's even great space to address how, say, someone from Theros handles it vs someone from Ravnica handles it.

>>96829964
The only thing I disliked about Duskmourn was the artwork of the survivors. They all looked like people who just got a nice shower and a clean set of clothes. It broke the immersion of an otherwise great concept.

>>96830013
We gently ignore all the humans.

>>96830021
Yeah, they could have made them grizzled, traumatized veterans who've faced down the shit the House can throw at them and emerged alive. Actually play up the horror and desperation of surviving in a surreal realm where everything wants to kill you.

>>96830055
any set can look good if you cherrypick enough. I do like the manifestations of fears tho

>>96827615
Wow, my favourite achievement name in gaming.

>>96827567
Smash Brothers has more creative integrity than MtG.
This game has turned into a licensing outlet for Hasbro.

>if you want a format without UBs, you need to start your own format, like muh cummanderh
They surely didn't need this grassroot movement for formats like Planechase, Alchemy, Historic, Pioneer, Archenemy, Brawl, etc. I can't believe the lies Maro says qith a straight face.

>>96830223
I don't blame him. Maro is like 10 years away from retirement, now he's just going through the motions. If money were no object he would agree with most anons. We know that because he authored many of the core design principles we know and love about the game. Everything current Mark shills for can be countered by something Mark wrote in his blogatog or design columns years ago.

>>96830326
Current Mark is really just a puppet with Chris Cock's hand up his ass making him say all that shit.

>>96830020
Because it's the 90s horror plane, and they're committing to the bit, which is based. When you DON'T commit to bit and just have people from other planes vacation there, you end up with Thunder Junction.

"Bestie" is not a 90's term.

>>96830544
From the Oxford English Dictionary:
>"The earliest known use of the noun bestie is in the 1990s. OED's earliest evidence for bestie is from 1991, in the Observer (London)."

>>96830536
It's 80s as fuck anon.
Also there was a samurai woman and a ninja guy running around.

>>96830582
I think there's a difference between "there's 2-3 guys from other planes here" like usual, and "the plane is literally devoid of natives." One is the baseline of MtG because these people are the connective tissue of the story, and the other is Thunder Junction, the plane composed of Magic characters on holiday with no interesting things of its own.

>>96821825
nothing is unexpected, killing the golden goose for meat would increase quarterly revenue but kill long term sustainability

>>96821825
Sloppers won.

>>96830608
I see your point. I can't name a single character from Cowboyland.

>>96830536
And Mirrodin is the artifact plane, but it managed to do interesting things with a bunch of species from other planes living there. DSK by definition gobbles up other planes so even if the survivors weren't from planes we know, having classic wizards, soldiers etc would have been a lot more interesting than cheerleaders and baseball bats

>>96830637
We've been saying that for years. When does the goose run out of meat?

>>96830755
When the playerbase demonstrates enough self-control to stop buying packs.

>>96830760
So never?

>>96830760
Why would the playerbase stop buying packs, if they want what's in the packs? You're not making sense.

>>96823310
>White

>>96830775
Well, brown is not an mtg color...

>>96830755
The copers have the same mentality as doomsday cultists or day traders. Just two more weeks, bro. It's all going according to plan, just wait and see and everything will happen as I predicted, because I'm the smart one who noticed things other people were too foolish to see. Once it doesn't happen, I'll point to some new factor that changed the equation, it'll actually be another two weeks from then.

>>96830775
>>96830786
Considering the sort of people that get printed on "White" cards nowadays, I'd say it's perfectly appropriate

>>96830795
It should be white humans with the text "this creature counts as black"

>>96830764
Yes and so every time WotC releases another shit set, it's their fault it made a ubillion dollars.

>>96830812
But Black creatures are the whitest ones now

>>96830822
4chan is both the whitest and least white place.

>>96830754
Mirrodin's species are basically completely native and original. They never at any point import the culture or the societies from other planes, and the number of people who even REMEMBER being from another plane can be counted on one hand (which is why Scars of Mirrodin was utterly nonsensical).

So how long until Hasbro makes a funny like Valve did and fucks all the investors in the ass?

>>96830878
Never, because Valve doesn't gain anything from their secondary market. Hasbro's is built on top of it.

>>96830878
>how long until everyone in the Hasbro board of directors decide to put themselves in jail
Hasbro isn't privately held like Steam was back then (no idea if they still are).

>>96830878
Valve is a private company and they aren't beholden to the whims of this very kind of investorfag. Hasbro is

>>96830884
Secret Lairs bypass the secondary market though

>>96830790
Are you perhaps dying Magic is flourishing right now? Can you assure printing turtles, superheros and spaceships into the game will be healthy for the player base?

>>96829368
>>96829376
I think there were some cool spirit (and related creature) designs. Ok this technically doesnt have an creature subtype. Shrine is an enchantment subtype.


But they barely had any spirits. and sci-fi looking tech feels weird to have in mtg.

>>96829785
Seems like it'd be a good combo with https://scryfall.com/card/who/152/river-song

but too bad thats a universes beyond card

>>96820407
Turtles fans simply do not exist. Even the 40 year old men who buy vintage TMNT shit don't actually like

>>96831317
>and sci-fi looking tech feels weird to have in mtg.
Weird?
It's a fucking disgraceful abomination and everyone who advocated it at any step during the design process ought to be fired and blacklisted from the entire game design industry.

>>96826802
I thought the leader of the wild geese was vaguely brown. Aside from him they had 1 or two guys on their team.

Strangely (given they were employed by a nazi group), a bunch of the enemy vampires were brown.
But I suspect the major didn't really give a shit about that, he just wanted violence.

>>96823986
>Hellsing UB when? What colors they would be? Alucard would be Rakdos, Seras would be Boros, Integra Izzet and Walther Azorius.
Why would alucard be black aligned?

Red kinda makes sense.

>>96831364
I agree. Urza was a mistake.

>>96831364
This is why everybody LOVES FIN. If you blink you might think you're on Dominaria.

>>96831377
There's a big a difference in the aesthetic. Ones a lot more magitech than the other.

>>96831377
Thran magitech was not the same thing as Kamigawa literal fucking zero-effort GUNDAM plagiarism.

>>96830878
>So how long until Hasbro makes a funny like Valve did and fucks all the investors in the ass?
>>96830894
>Valve is a private company and they aren't beholden to the whims of this very kind of investorfag. Hasbro is
He might be talking about the people who invest in magic cards, rather than the people with hasbro stock.

>>96831396
>>96831403
If you showed someone that image and asked them to describe the aesthetic, they would say sci-fi. Maybe 1 in 100 would say magitech. That shit is a sci-fi mech. It wouldn't look that out of place in Star Wars. You guys need to stop coping, it makes you look like retards.

>>96831403
arguably worse than that is the fact that there were barely any spirits in the set, compared to previous kamigawa sets

>>96831428
Wow, I don't fucking care.

>>96831377
>>96831428
That one doesnt show much details. Heres another card art with the titan engine.

>>96831448
Then continue to stay irrelevant as everyone around you dismisses your complaints and things never change in your favor. I even agree with you guys that the fantasy aesthetic fits Magic better, but you're not doing us any favors by covering your ears and acting like Magic hasn't done sci-fi before.

>>96829132
>new
dredge guy has been playing that deck all year.
someone did add Artist Talent and win a challenge with it though

>>96831463
>Then continue to stay irrelevant as everyone around you dismisses your complaints and things never change in your favor.
I am contented watching people change things away from that which I favor.
What I favor is things of quality. Go degenerate beauty and wallow in ugliness some more. Reap what you sow, philistine.

>>96831463
This (>>96831452) is a lot different than edges of eternity (or even something like neokamigawa)

>>96831393
Except for the FF15 stuff. But that says more about that shitty ass game than anything else.

>>96831488
Yeah, it's like I'm on Alara

Still despise retards saying FF's aesthetic fits MTG when it's literally ONLY FF9's aesthetic that does.

>>96831525
MtG's aesthetic is cowboys and spaceships, so I agree.

>>96831480
and both are still sci-fi
lotr and atla are both fantasy, but they clearly have different aesthetics

>>96831531
nuMagic is not Magic.

>>96829922
I'm just spitballing.
>>96831373
I don't know. Vampires are black. Grixis then.

>>96831677
>but they clearly have different aesthetics
that's has been the argument the entire time
certain aesthetics clash with what MTG is supposed to be

>>96829964
Now that we're talking about it, why the FUCK are they shitting out these one-off settings with every set instead of doing blocks??? Duskmourn has so much more that I want to see but they only touched surface level bullshit. It feels so rushed and unfinished. Aren't they afraid they'll run out of settings by like 2028?

>>96831797
yes, and the image of what anons think Magic is supposed to be vs what Magic actually was is two different things
if power armor or similar cards were released today, people would be bitching about how the aesthetic doesn't match Magic, you know it's true

>>96831849
The reason they've given before is that blocks simply sell less. It was something along the lines of "you people always say you want blocks back but we have data that shows that when we did blocks people stopped buying as much halfway through them".

>>96831871
>The reason they've given before is that blocks simply sell less.
It's a fucking shit reason.
That was literally the nature of the cycle of blocks. Later sets in a block only have 3 months of play, while early ones have a full year.
This shit is like running a fucking restaurant, then saying deserts don't sell as well as main courses so you should fucking remove all deserts from the menu. TOTAL retardation.

>>96831887
>It's a fucking shit reason.
It's the only reason that matters to them.
They've sold more, not less, since they stopped doing blocks. It's as simple as that.

>>96831887
They didn't just sell worse, people just also liked them less. We had like half a decade straight of dogshit third sets.

>>96831904
>They didn't just sell worse, people just also liked them less.
WRONG.
Stop letting yourself be gaslit by evil retards who are trying to scam you.

Players disliked SHIT SETS, regardless of where in a block's timeline they appeared.

My gamestore just discontinue yugioh and im trying to look into magic since this gamestore is the closest one near my home. They recommend commander and I just want advice on what to buy since im looking for casual and not too expensive. Am willing to pay a maximum of 100 dollars and thats it. Do want to buy the spiderman stuff since I spiderman.

>>96831893
>They've sold more, not less, since they stopped doing blocks.
Gee maybe that's because they are actively scamming players and using unethical, manipulative marketing techniques?

>>96831914
>$100
>Magic
Give up now.

>>96831908
>stop noticing things
The third sets were consistently worse. They clearly didn't have enough juice to make three sets worth of material every time. That's why they basically tried to do a huge shakeup each time, but that got stale too.

>>96831914
>since I spiderman

>>96831914
>My gamestore just discontinue yugioh and im trying to look into magic since this gamestore is the closest one near my home
Leave, and never again humor the thought of thinking MTG is a game worth getting into.
Nothing is left in this god forsaken shit pit of slop.
MTG is a fucking unsalvageable wasteland and the worst game currently on the market, by far.

Yeah but he wants to play Commander.

>>96831925
The solution to being bad at something is not to give up on it and gaslight everyone who claims you only gave up on it because you sucked ass.

The solution is to stop sucking ass, and get good.

>>96831924
Im just looking for casual stuff, I dont care too much if I lose too much.

>>96831712
>I don't know. Vampires are black. Grixis then.
necromancy and undead stuff tends to go in black*, but I'm was actually thinking in terms of alucard's personality.
He doesn't strike me as black-aligned in that way.
*There's a actually lot of non-black vampires, they are all red or white (on ixalan and innistrad).

>>96831914
you can get a commander pre-constructed deck for like forty bucks or thirty if it's old.
but also Commander is so fucking gay and unfun (especially in 2025) that I seriously recommend you not get into it.

>>96831914
>Am willing to pay a maximum of 100 dollars
>100 dollars
>MTG

>>96831925
why not just do 2 set blocks instead of 3 sets?

>>96831373
making yourself functionally unkillable by absorbing the souls of millions of your victims is pretty Black, even if he bats for the good guys

>>96831955
>why not just do 2 set blocks instead of 3 sets?
Please understand, WotC is dedicated fully to making the worst possible decisions at every possible opportunity. And we have succeeded in this goal without even a single exception, for the whole of our history as a company.
Please respect our overall design vision of being total shit at literally fucking every possible thing we do.

>>96831939
And how do you propose that happens, anon? What games out there are using a block structure? It's real easy to say that's how it should be done, but when nobody is doing it maybe that indicates there's a good reason.

>>96831955
That's my personal preference too, they seemed to not like it for obvious reasons.

>>9683194
Whats wrong with commander?

>>96831969
>And how do you propose that happens, anon?
Effort.

>>96831975
>just do it bro
ok anon

>>96831950
How much is the average cost just to make a commander deck?

tribal atog

>>96831990
>How much is the average cost just to make a commander deck?
With all the staples? Maybe 1500ish.

>>96831858
>>96831858
>these two pictures are exactly the same btw

>>96831914
>since I spiderman.

>>96831990
Anon, MTG is THE GAME for paypiggies. It is designed for paypiggies. It is advertised to paypiggies. It is funded entirely by paypiggies.

If you have to ask questions about how much it will cost, then MTG is not the game for you.

>>96831949
Whats wrong with the commander format?

>Alara Reborn
>Rise of the Eldrazi
>New Phyrexia
>Avacyn Restored
>Dragon's Maze
>Journey Into Nyx
>Dragons of Tarkir
The real gaslighting is trying to convince people blocks were a good idea, there's maybe two good ones out of this whole bunch.

>>96831914
print a bunch of proxies and find a place to play where they don't mind

>>96831858
>if power armor or similar cards were released today, people would be bitching about how the aesthetic doesn't match Magic, you know it's true
You are wrong. People simply do not tolerate this style of gas-lightning any longer. Now begone.

>>96831914
If you want to get into casual EDH you can get a precon with a few budget upgrades for $100. But you have to have realistic expectations regarding that if you want to better cards later on you're going to have to spend more. But if EDH is what you want you should ask in /edhg/ and not here. Better yet, you should ask people who actually play the game and you won't find many of those here.

>Kamigawa was the Japanese plane
>Japanese people are really into mechs
>Put mechs into Kamigawa

it's painful

>>96832004
But isnt commander supposed to be a casual format. Shouldn't that make it not that expensive.

>>96832043
>But isnt commander supposed to be a casual format. Shouldn't that make it not that expensive.
l m a o

>>96831955
>>96831966
What they should have done was put the core set between acts 2 and 3 in order to give a breather.
>set up plane
>thing goes wrong
>core set, let the tension linger
>climax and resolution

Hell, they could even do that now without explicitly going back to blocks by using 3-act stories without having to base it all on the same plane. They're already almost doing it with whatever the fuck Jace is doing, but they can't commit. Structure it like
>OTJ
>whatever plot things happened in DSK/DFT
>TDM, take a breather, let the tension simmer, check in on a plane we haven't seen in a while, let the people that burned out on the Jace arc get re-invested
>Reality Fracture to conclude
Then move on to the next story arc.

But like you said, they like having their heads up their own asses.

>>96831914
ask here >>96827680

>>96831914
>since i spiderman

>>96832055
>What they should have done was put the core set between acts 2 and 3 in order to give a breather.
There's a thousand solutions that aren't "hur dur just duhhh kill it durrr" and that's a decent one.

>Hell, they could even do that now without explicitly going back to blocks by using 3-act stories without having to base it all on the same plane. They're already almost doing it with whatever the fuck Jace is doing, but they can't commit. Structure it like
Yeah it's a fucking mess. Loot's off stealing tits. Ugin and Bolas busy having gay sex in the shadowverse. And any story that's vaguely worth carrying about is tossed around so piecemeal that nobody gives a fuck.

Did you know Dragonstorm was supposed to be a culmination of a decade long story arc? No, not that arc. The other one, where they put a Dragon into every set that was supposed to tease TDM. And nobody noticed until TDM came out and they announced the master plan they'd been working on! Fuck off, what a joke. They clearly want to tell stories in a block format, but are unwilling to admit the mistake of removing blocks. They care more about saving face than doing the right thing.

>>96832008
it's a "casual" format that the game rules were not originally designed to support. this manifests in many small ways, but the short version is that Commander is a format that becomes less fun the more seriously everybody takes it.
which would still be fine, except that the company making Magic prints products that, in effect, encourage people to take it more seriously.
The other major problem is the people who, de facto, choose to play Commander. If your idea of a good time is listening to fat autists huffing about who "the threat" is and whether they're being "targeted" in this ostensibly casual game with no prizes, then go to your local game store's Commander night. (this problem is admittedly irrelevant if you play with friends who are cool and also happen to be into Commander, in which case that's fine but you should tell your friends to get some taste and play a fun four+ player board game instead of this casual hack of a 2 player game, that was designed to find a use for binder filler in the 1990s)

>>96832039
Alright I'll go there and ask, thanks anon.

>>96832043
The edh thread will have better ideas regarding commander deck budgets but $100 is reasonable for low power casual. For that budget you can also look into the pauper format in case your LGS holds pauper events, but not every place does.

>>96832086
Im planning to visit the locals tonight just to see the type of players there are and just see how it goes.

>>96831960
>making yourself functionally unkillable by absorbing the souls of millions of your victims is pretty Black, even if he bats for the good guys
yeah that's definitely true and would make sense. But to clarify, i wasn't thinking about his power set, but more about how he acts as a person.
Black-aligned characters can be good guys, but, Like i said over here, In my opinion he's not very black-aligned personality wise:

>>96831945
>necromancy and undead stuff tends to go in black*, but I'm was actually thinking in terms of alucard's personality.
>He doesn't strike me as black-aligned in that way.
>*There's a actually lot of non-black vampires, they are all red or white (on ixalan and innistrad).

To elaborate, he's not particularly ambitious or selfish in the current day of Hellsing. He almost seems eager to die at some points. He's Integra's loyal servant.
He not only defends humans, but he's insistent that keeping one's humanity is important.

>>96831945
>>96832187
I'd lean Orzhov. Unlimited power, relentless discipline.

>>96831950
imagine spending 100 dollars on mtg when silksong costs 20

true piggo grindset

>>96832209
mardu?

why did they never print it for real? it sounds like a fun card

>>96832304
I could see it, the core tension of the Rakdos Vampire trying to be a White Paladin.

>>96832317
forgot the picture

>>96832325
counting 2 hard for the average cumsoomer

>>96822671
>instead

>>96832325
https://tagger.scryfall.com/tags/card/paper-compatible
Imagine.

>>96832475
the tagger isn't complete.
this one isn't mentioned, and it seems paper compatible

>>96832497
>gift a rhystic study
I mean, yeah, but also, probably not.

>>96832497
>step between worlds, but option of giving the opponent Rhystic Fucking Study

>>96832497
Does this create a Rhystic in their field or give them in their hand? If it does the latter that's way better, you can just give it to someone who doesn't play blue.

>>96832609
Gift puts it on the field. Unless you Gift a Card, in which case that means they draw a card. Oh, and every creature token you can gift has its own statline. So frankly, it could probably be either.

>>96832497
It's paper compatible but it would be a serious hassle. You'd need an indefinite extra copies of rhystic study, they'd need an indefinite extra sleeves, and there'd need to somehow be a way to distinguish between your gifted copies and any potential copies they might be running in their deck. Just a mess all around.

>>96829126
Final Fantasy Set had cards for games older than Avatar the Last Air Bender
>>96829964
This but without the cringe 80s humans
>>96831997
>30+ feet tall mechanic armor that uses magic to move and fire
>60+ feet tall origami shit looking robot with some magic shit around it
Damn nuKamigawa aesthetic is so shit.
>>96832325
mtg designers are literally retarded and think accumulated knowledge is an digital only card.

>>96832704
Just print tokens

>>96833083
It's not a token though. The rhystic study can be destroyed, brought back, bounced to hand, etc.

>>96833137
token proxy card

>>96833139
Still need the sleeves. Plus it opens it up for meme shit like making a combo deck that gives your opponent an absurd number of enchantments, bounces them all to hand, wheels everything, and then your opponent gets DQ'd because they can't properly shuffle their deck.

>>96833192
>>96833192
>>96833192

>>96831914
buy a printer

>>96821986
>The Muppet Show
>Sailor Moon
I'm in.