Thread 96837875

>be Imperium
>ships never arrive on time
>constantly losing planets
>barely understand how tech works
>made it to M40 only because everyone else in the setting is smaller
>still think IOM can beat Galactic Empire

why 40k fans still think they can beat Star Wars

>>96837875 (OP)
You missed the general.

>>96838010
my bad bro

>>96837875 (OP)
Because everyone in Star Wars is fucking incompetent on a level that's worse than 40K - they don't even have the excuse of being a backwards, superstitious theocracy that makes a virtue of ignorance.

The Empire of Star Wars lost to fucking ewoks and a scruffy nerf herder. The New Republic was even worse at managing its territories than the Imperium of Mankind, and almost got BTFO by the First Order if not for Rey Sue. The Old Republic didn't even have a standing army by the time Palpatine executed babby's first dictatorship and were getting their shit pushed in by the . . . periphery planets who just spammed droids.

Even if you dip into the decanonised Star Wars EU, 40K novels have just as much if not greater tardery to bring to bear.

At the end of the day, anon . . . the Force is Female.

>>96837875 (OP)
>>ships never arrive on time
Incorrect
>>made it to M40 only because everyone else in the setting is smaller
Wildly incorrect

the reality of any sci-fi vs sci-fi what-if is that the one with better ftl travel (if any) wins automatically in any large scale conflict. Star wars FTL is borderline videogame fast travel convenient which gives them such a stupidly large advantage over pretty much any other sci-fi shit because Starwars is a space fantasy soap opera that sees travel time as so incredibly boring and inconvenient to the kinds of stories it wants to tell that it skips it entirely.

There's some sci-fi settings with straight up direct teleportation that's even more convenient than Starwars hyperspace who'd win just by teleporting out of every fight and popping above the empire's planets to blow them up before instantly leaving, but that's getting into like Dragonball Z levels of retarded power ceiling.

Plenty of Warhammer characters could probably beat other sci-fi characters in a fist fight or space wizard duel but that's irrelevant when travel time operates on a scale of weeks to months to even YEARS just moving between planets, while in Starwars you can get from the fucking galactic core's capital city of Coruscant to the bumfuck edge of the galaxy like Mustafar in a matter of hours, which is literally what Palestine did when fetching Anakin's burnt body after he lost.

Imagine if you could get from the eye of terror to Holy Terra in like four hours in 40k.

>>96838920
I mean, both Hyperspace travel and Warp travel have their downsides.

Hyperspace travel needs established hyperspace routes, or it gets really dangerous. The Imperium doesnt know any hyperspace routes in the 40k space. Likewise, if the Astronomicon doesnt shine in the star wars galaxy, the imperium is borderline fucked.

So any versus conflict would first have to establish rules how each metaphysic system fuctions and overlaps

As much as >>96838920 point about FTL is valid within the same setting (best FTL win) it's just meaningless to compare distinct setting.
All those "who would win" thread, only have one interesting outcome: finding the right set of circumstance or enemies to have an interesting match to talk about. Having a victor isn't even relevant.

Me, I say the Lunar War setting beat Starwars and W40K. As they appear somewhere the laws of physics collapse for them and they all die.

>>96838920
You're both heavily exaggerating how effective star wars FTL is and how much impact modes of transport have on war in general. Sure being able to pick your battles is a great advantage but it doesn't help if the only options you have to pick from are shit.

>>96839445
how are they shit? Ravaging the imperiums back line, cutting their supply, their production and their agri worlds will mess with their ability to bring and keep fighting power at the front lines. The imperium cant station a sector fleet at every single one of their backline planets

>>96839445
anon if you're spending six months traveling and the other guy is spending six hours traveling, that means for six months you don't even HAVE an army
logistics is the only thing that actually wins wars and if the entire imperium's fleet is two months into warp travel when 90% of the imperium's planets are destroyed that's gg.

some of the Aztecs managed to kill a couple Spaniards during the conquistador era, but the Aztecs didn't have a single fucking ship capable of sailing to Spain and actually hurting the Spanish.

>it's another episode of desperate SWfags pretending that their ships do not need previously mapped stable hyperspace lanes or otherwise they're just as slow or worse than 40k ships
>they only cling to that because 40k mogs SW in all other areas military-wise

>>96839459
>how are they shit? Ravaging the imperiums back line, cutting their supply, their production and their agri worlds will mess with their ability to bring and keep fighting power at the front lines. The imperium cant station a sector fleet at every single one of their backline planets

And what are they going to do if IoM push the offensive? How is them being able to attack an agricultural world going to help them if the IoM hit coruscant with a virus bomb?

Also while there aren't sector fleets for every planet, planets of strategic value have system defense fleets that lack FTL capabilites but are roughly equivalent to IoM destroyers and frigates.

>>96839560
>it's another episode of desperate SWfags pretending that their ships do not need previously mapped stable hyperspace lanes or otherwise they're just as slow or worse than 40k ships
As if 40k ships don't need stable warp lanes mapped out by the Navigator guilds, right? lmao
>they only cling to that because 40k mogs SW in all other areas military-wise
Standard issue blasters are plasma guns. 40k warships use human crews to load their macrocannons which can take several minutes. 40k warships can't be mass produced anymore because they're barely understood tech to their own tech experts, who also take years to produce a single ship because they only know how to do so via rituals and superstition.

>>96839628
>push the offensive
>while supply of material and food collapses
>what is the Empire going to do
?????? What do you think Guardsmen eat and shoot and drive? Faith and Autism?

>>96839505
>anon if you're spending six months traveling and the other guy is spending six hours traveling, that means for six months you don't even HAVE an army
logistics is the only thing that actually wins wars and if the entire imperium's fleet is two months into warp travel when 90% of the imperium's planets are destroyed that's gg.

Yeah I guess if they just make dumbass choices like a strawman than it's pretty easy.

>some of the Aztecs managed to kill a couple Spaniards during the conquistador era, but the Aztecs didn't have a single fucking ship capable of sailing to Spain and actually hurting the Spanish.

So you're saying that if the aztecs had ships 10x as fast as the spainish but nothing else, they would have conquered spain because "spain would just put their entire military on a boat and then aztecs would rank undefended spain?"

>>96839647
Good job reading only the first sentence of the post anon. I know reading is difficult for you but just that one sentence shows you really put in the effort!

>>96839691
>why dont they just drive by and oneshot virusbomb Coruscant
for the same reason this doesnt happen with eldar craftworlds, the major Tau home septs, the prime ork planets and every other of extreme value. Beside the fact the EU empire kept fighting for decades after Coruscant fell to the New Republic

>>96839646
>Navigator guilds
lol
>Standard issue blasters are plasma guns
hahahah
>40k warships can't be mass produced anymore
stap, lmao

>>96839647
what prevents Terra, Mars, Luna and Titan being one-shot by Starkiller Base halfway across the galaxy?

>>96839732
meant for
>>96839706
>>96839628

>>96839646
>As if 40k ships don't need stable warp lanes mapped out by the Navigator guilds, right? lmao

They don't NEED it, it just makes it easier. It's like comparing an all terrain vehicle vs a train. Sure a train is going to you to anywhere that's connected by rail faster, and the ATV is going to mostly be using roads since roads are better to drive on then dirt. But what is the train going to do if getting from A to B requires you to take an out of the way route but there's a dirt path directly to it?

>Standard issue blasters are plasma guns.

Incorrect, you mas well claim a tank shell and 9mm and .50 BMG is the same because they're both bullets.

40k warships use human crews to load their macrocannons which can take several minutes.

And starwars ships have weapons that have an effective range that's shorter than what warhammer considers boarding distance.

>40k warships can't be mass produced anymore because they're barely understood tech to their own tech experts,

Incorrect, they just aren't able to improve on the designs they currently have, there's several forge worlds that pump out warships.

>who also take years to produce a single ship because they only know how to do so via rituals and superstition.

Again, incorrect, they have the exact blueprints on how to make them. It takes a year to make an average warship because the smallest warships are bigger than your typical star destroyer.

>>96839706
Craftworlds have powerful fleets and foresight. The Imperium steers clear of craftworlds because they are too dangerous to antagonize unless they are weakened or small craftworlds.

During the Damocles Crusade, the Imperials considered Exterminatus'ing Dal'yth Prime but there was much protest against it in the Crusade Council because the T'au were honorable foes and didn't deserve to be nuked from orbit.

However, 200 years later, the Imperium Exterminatus'ed the major sept of Muglath Bay and other Tau held worlds using an arcane DAoT weapon.

>>96839732
1.there's no mapped hyperspace lanes in 40k
2.the Sequels are retarded and do not count

Also, killing the 40k planets does not help the SW empire, because once the 40k fleets exit the warp, is game over for anything in SW short of a Death Star. They'll be only delaying their death

>>96837875 (OP)
>why 40k fans still think they can beat Star Wars
Ewoks are OP as fuck in Star Wars, they're barely a Tau client race at best in 40gay.

>>96839732
Void shields.

>>96838920
Who cares about their space travel? Pointless logistics stuff like that has nothing to do with winning a war. That's about strength and determination above all else.

>>96839765
There actually are mapped hyperspace lanes in 40k, the Tau and Eldar use them.
Humanity in 40k is just retarded and tainted by Chaos.

>>96839732
if Cadia could stop a Blackstone Fortress from firing it's giga planet destroyer warp cannon I'm sure they could stop a beam from a knockoff death star

they'd deep strike terminators into Starkiller base and destroy it and none of the shitty stormtroopers could stop them

>>96839856
False equivalence.

Cadia survived the WARP BEAM of the BSF because it was protected by a boosted gellar field augmented by Necron technology.

Cadia has no protection against a standard energy laser blast.

>>96839856
Blackstone fortress needed to get really close and Cadia had help from Trazyn. Starkiller based fires half a galaxy away without the Imperium even knowing. Night and day difference.

>>96839898
>Cadia has no protection against a standard energy laser blast.

>void shields? What's that?

>>96839930
Cadia didn't have planet-sized void shields. Don't think such a thing exists.
The Black Legion was running orbital fire on Cadia nonstop. They could have used ordinary extermintus on Cadia but Abaddon wanted Cadia obliterated. It was the only way the Pylons that shutdown the Pylons

>>96839853
>There actually are mapped hyperspace lanes in 40k
no they don't, you coping SWfag.
In fact, allowing hyperspace in 40k is just a concession so SW aren't stranded for the purposes of the comparison.
Additionally, the similarities between hyperspace/the force and 40k's inmaterium make possible that they're just the same thing. So good luck for SW ships trying to travel it in the 40k galaxy, lol

>>96839898
>Cadia has no protection against a standard energy laser blast.
You're average white shield is a better marksman than SW elite stormtroopers. They could probably teleport a squad of recruits up there and take it over with 20 men.

>>96837875 (OP)
because said galatic empire lost to a small band of quircky retards despite having far fewer threats to worry about and more reliable tech and infrastructure

>>96837875 (OP)
Which version of SW? If its Disney then it immediately devolves into a MegaCorp death wrestle on who can write the more bad shit than the other.

If its the EU then things can get interesting holistically. The Galactic Empire is a civilisation that is c25,000 years old (counting it as part of the Galactic Republic) that has exceeded the previous Republic in territorial control, population size (Being larger than the archaic WEG pop stat for the Republic) and Industrial might after eating both the Republic MIC and the CIS MIC with a bajillion colonising expansions from WEG era lore, and kept churning on until the death of the Emperor. It controls the vast majority of the SW Galaxy and more importantly it entirely controls the important sections of the Galaxy in terms of Industry and encomics. All nonewithstanding the typical author not into scale (ie KT). The previous Republic managed to scale from a very disarmed MIC into being able to outproduce and outfight the CIS within a three year time frame in the first Galactic Scale total war in 1,000 years.

Despite this the main deciding factor in a tard match between the Imperium and the Empire is how they travel in space where 40k absolutely shits the bed thanks to warp travel being both Glacialy slow and fucking dangerous. Hyperspace on the other hand is both quick, easy and ubiquitous but requires previous scoting routes which kept being updated. Hyperspace itself is a reflection of normal realspace and so the hyperroutes are actually routes of realspace that have little to no dangerous objects such as stars or black holes that project mass shadows into hyperspace that would destroy a ship enroute. Hypothetically while it would take a while to Map out the milky way its definitely possible and thanks to hyperspace the GE can operate on a comparatively lightspeed tempo to the IoM with its warp travel.

>>96840096
And unlike the IoM with its endless deathmatches across the Galaxy where it can't bring its full might to entirely crush a threat, an previous weaker iteration of the GE did scale up to fight a Galactic Total War within 3 years. Thanks to Hyperspace even without muh 3 years example, the GE would be capable of defeating the IoM via defeat in detail via doomstacking naval formations to Base Delta Zero unprotected and important worlds/locations. Or drag out the super duper wonderwaffles to do the same such as the Tarkin or any of the World devestators (which are operational 6 years post Endor but could be available earlier)

Hilariously if the Necron Celestial Orrery is workable on the SW galaxy then its game over for the GE (depending if using it on them wouldnt horrendously impact the Milky Way by a galaxy scale blowback for the Necrons to act, or maybe they dont care and instead GTFOing to the SW Galaxy and hide out in the unknown regions while attempting to return to flesh).

However SW writers being SW writers and 40k writers being 40k writers it would be entirely shit on both sides.

Anyway these SciFi tard debates are a reminder of a much more civilised time before the major Franchises all collectively shit the bed concurrently that made previous fantard moments appear quaint and the Internet was better. Before the Dark Times.

Reminder that if you go

>weapon X will totally oneshot the other side
or
>defense mechanism Y wont ever be penetrated by anything
you are full of shit and retarded and also engaging in bad faith arguments

>>96837875 (OP)
Those are the only sci-fi 40kids know about

>>96840051
delusional, even 40k stormtroopers > SW whatevertroopers, nevermind fucking Astartes

>>96839960
>Cadia didn't have planet-sized void shields. Don't think such a thing exists.

They do, it did, at one point they got taken down because th before wouldn't have been able to do anything otherwise

>>96840096
>>96840116
>delusional SW fanboyism
the GE, which at their peak couldn't even control it's own space for a decade before being defeated by guerrilla warfare, had to rely on the Senate to keep the peace. The moment they fucked up that, they began losing system after system.
Nevermind all the far regions that they never controlled.
Or that their mainstay ship, the ISD, it's barely a escort frigate by 40k standards.
>Hypothetically while it would take a while to Map out the milky way its definitely possible and thanks to hyperspace the GE can operate on a comparatively lightspeed tempo to the IoM with its warp travel.
More delusion. It took the Republic more than a decade to map just the Outer Rim and not fully and in peacetime.
SW ships would be exposed to all kind of dangers, and Imperium ships would be the least of their worries, lol
>muh Base Delta Zero
you sound like one of these STvsSW fags that posted in stardestroyer.net like Curtis Saxton. Just handwaving all issues because you say so.

Just coping because capital ships in 40k can fire macrocannon shells the size of corellian corvettes, have plenty of realspace speed, energy weapons, shields, armour, size, teleporters, boarding torpedoes and troops that wipe the floor with anything in SW.

Unless you're The Culture or The Xeelee, you better stay in your (hyperspace) lane, SW fanboy.

>>96837875 (OP)
It's always IoM VS SW and never the other more powerful factions from 40k Imagine of the Dark Eldar were in SW, some webway gate opened to the deep levels of Coruscant? Could anything in star wars stop the dark eldar raids that steal away whole planets populations?
Could they defeat a single tyranid hive fleet? What about 10? or 20 of them? IoM deals with hundreds of different hive fleets and splinter fleets at a time.
What if a tomb world awakens? Could mandalorians beat an awakening tomb world?

>>96837875 (OP)
Same answer as you got the last three hundred pointless threads you made about this.

>IOM vastly outrange and outgun 100% of non-wunderwaffen SW vessels. So incredibly badly, it's not even funny.
>As in, most SW vessels have gun ranges less than what is considered point blank distances for IOM vessels. And their main guns don't shoot at C, or even fractions of C.

>While SW vessels have hyperdrives, these aren't 'get everywhere in ten minutes' drives. They require safe, litter free 'lanes' to travel in safely, or they have to move at a crawl as to not collide with bits of debris.

>While Imperial worlds have unreliable inter-group logistics, the actual logistics flow is quite robust, as each system is typically self-sufficient.

>SW vessels can outpace IOM fleets to strike at worlds. But said Imperial worlds of any strategic relevance have capital ship grade weaponry on hand, either with monitor ships, or defense lasers/silo's/batteries.


So yeah. OP is once again gay, and is once again making me lose that little bit more love for Star Wars and the community.

>>96837875 (OP)
Sure, the Death Star might be individually superior to an Imperial battleship, yet both are mobile space stations capable of blowing up planets and the Imperium has a thousand battleships while the Galactic Empire has one-and-a-half Death Stars. Multiply that for every ship class and even if the IoM can't shit out a fleet of 25,000 in a decade like the Empire can, it will use its existing fleet to knock out the GE's industry before it would be able to bring its economy to its advantage.

>>96839397
Arguably any large concentration of the force should probably function similarly to the Astronomicon at a reduced scale. Coruscant could arguably be enough of a force nexus that it actually matches the Astronomicon.

>>96839998
It's a given in any crossover context that technology or magic or whatever doesn't suddenly just stop working because the settings are different.

You could equally point out there's no warp in star wars so all the psykers would instantly be "cured" and chaos would be unable to act. But there's no point in discussing that and no way to find common ground, so just assume everything just keeps on trucking.

I mean can they even breath each others air? Would they be wiped out by exposure to the others diseases? Do blasters and lasguns both work? Not worth discussing unless you enjoy that sort of thing.

Something to remember is that WH40k the Imperium controls more or less the entire galaxy, while the GE controlled at best half the galaxy before the rebellion
SW
https://gizmodo.com/app/uploads/2025/06/star_wars_galaxy_map_4000x4000_24949c08.jpeg
WH40k
https://i.imgur.com/vGeNNHH.jpeg

>>96837875 (OP)
>yet another "my dad can beat up your dad" thread

>>96839670
The entire Empire's fleet can teleport across the map and hit planets with small and weak defender fleets. They can blow up and glass planets, so they can presumably beat the shitty backwater Imperium mini-fleets, and then loot any super weapons they supposedly have. They can then teleport across the map home, hand off the ships to their top scientists (gathered from across the galaxy inside a week), who will be copying them in no time. Then they just teleport across the map again and blow up Holy Terra. Meanwhile, the Imperium fleets have managed to hit the absolute closest system, and are now sluggishly grinding on towards the next system.

>>96841706
>it will use its existing fleet to knock out the GE's industry before it would be able to bring its economy to its advantage.
Warp travel is absolutely not fast and reliable enough to do that, c'mon.

The Death Star was a project produced in absolute secrecy, only known to actual members of government because of spies and leaks. If the actual industrial power of the Republic/Empire was marshaled without need for secrecy - as would be the case if they encountered these Imperium loser psychos - they could churn them out like hotcakes.

>>96837875 (OP)
40kfags are infested with Chaosfags who would insist that chaos beats everything easily in any vs match. There used to be a regular bait thread about a Dalek appearing in 40k that was guaranteed to get the Chaosfags frothing with rage at the notion that the Dalek would just immediately time jump to before the Big Bang, delete the Warp, and proceed from there.

>>96839960
Planet-scale voids are rare but do exist. Cadia and Terra both have them (Terra also has layered void shields around the Palace).

Reminder that the Empire doesnt have hyper autist and utterly dysfunctional administration and bonkers religious dogma. Once the Empire realizes its weakness in area A, B and C coming the first few engagements, they can start to reverse engineer and actively innovate to either adapt, steal or overcome shit like ceramite astartes armor, void shields or makro cannon. They can start to entirely change their ship design and set their massive shipyards like Kuat, Fondor, Yaga Minor, Bilbringi, Corellia and Byss to work on overdrive.

The Imperium meanwhile cant do that because technological progress is haram and hyper heresy and will see you get burned on a stake. Or some Magos will hoard any new desgins in a vaul, where it will rot forgotten for the next 5.000 years.

The Empire can out-adapt the Imperium way faster and way easier.

>>96842239
SW Empire was basically destroyed by 20+ yo farmer boy and bunch of ragtag rebels

>>96840355
>the GE, which at their peak couldn't even control it's own space for a decade before being defeated by guerrilla warfare

The Imperium doesn’t avoid getting harassed by guerrilla forces because they’re better at handling them.
They avoid it because they literally can’t do it. Their fleets take years to cross the galaxy.

The only reason planets don’t rise up like the Rebellion is because nobody can escape, nobody can get help, and by the time anyone responds, the entire situation has already died of old age.

That’s not an advantage.
That’s just a logistical disaster pretending to be stability.

>>96839560
>they only cling to that because 40k mogs SW in all other areas military-wise
Just so I can stan up for the underdog the empire probably has a more reliable R&D department than the imperium and given their avaiable resources and manpower they could probably develop technology and tactics to counter whatever massive the ovee the tops things the imperium throws at them repeatedly which could give the galatic empire a better fighting chance agains't a far stronger opponent
See: Damocles (though it's hard to compare because the T'au had way less resources than what the empire has and arguably a more competent military)

>>96837875 (OP)
Because VS debaters like yourself are all retarded.

>>96842239
>>96843007
the SW galaxy is just as technologically stale as the 40k Milky Way. Starship battles from the Old Republic are indistinguishable from the Clone Wars and from the Rebellion era. It's obvious besides a few superweapons. And SW ships are not made to last, they're become space trash after a few decades unlike 40k ships still functional after millenia of use.
>They can start to entirely change their ship design and set their massive shipyards like Kuat, Fondor, Yaga Minor, Bilbringi, Corellia and Byss to work on overdrive.
Bullshit, they didn't do it for any of their wars, or even when the Vong invaded. Most of these shipyards are only good for civilian stuff.
>>96842972
>Their fleets take years to cross the galaxy.
Retarded memelore.
It usually takes a few days, weeks or months to travel most distances in 40k. But in reality it depends of how well is know the warp route and how bad are the storms, with little correlation to realspace distances. Warp travel taking years or arriving before leaving are exceptions, not the norm. And it's usually due to local warp conditions.
Reaching some star systems may indeed take years while others just next door just take weeks.
But the Imperium still has an interstellar economy, and very stable trading and resource gathering routes (like they do with the Black Ships to get psykers)

Btw your pic makes me laught. Marines destroy baseline human meatbags unless they're lucky enought to get a shot with a heavy/special weapon, or they're swarmed up by hordes of zealots (neither of which are SW things)

Is the only reason OP keeps powerscaling IoM and The Empire because they both are "Empires"? Or is he just a Star Wars fag that is desperate to prove his toys are stronger than your toys? Can't be just "proving 40K isn't the top SF setting" cuz there are many way easier choices than Star Wars for that.

>>96843007
The issue I think with comparing galaxies, is the naval culture is very very different.

In star wars, naval combat is a very very close-in thing. You've got carriers, sure, but 90% of things is just to get people close up to each other to, at best, strafe.

This is because while superweapons do exist, 95% of military development and warfighting is spearheaded by force users, who often prefer engaging in close quarters. And, in fairness, you could say the universe itself (by way of The Force), supports this perspective.


Meanwhile, while that's also true in 40k, naval combat there is spearheaded by people with no such fixations.
So you get bigger guns. Bigger armour. And despite preconceptions, greater sub-light speed and maneuverability. (Though in fairness, this is because ships in Star Wars can generally just use ftl to get right on top of where they want to go, before taxi-ing down).

Instead of Galley style naval combat, with some hints of carrier war, you get Battle lines, firing control systems, and military sciences closer to those of ww2 in all fact.

>t.naval autist

>>96843586
Desperate Star Wars fag.

We've had this exact thread before, several times.
It always ends the same way.
I also know OP then rageposts the same things on reddit. Typically a screencap of his own OP post, with the title "Is this true???"

>>96843589
>In star wars, naval combat is a very very close-in thing. You've got carriers, sure, but 90% of things is just to get people close up to each other to, at best, strafe.
If you know enough to comment, do you think for within the same solar system only (talking tactical not strategic here) either UNSC (Halo) or ESF (Universal Century Gundam) would have a good old slugging match? All three fight in close range with carriers, UC even has dogfighters though the UNSC... doesn't I don't think. I think they are all roughly the same power level and approach so it could be a good spectacle.

>>96842874
The 20 year old farmer boy is the son of the chosen one and will become one of the most powerful jedi in existance. The rebel alliance is a well organized army of professional insurgency cells, led by skilled military leaders and supported by powerful galactic nations like the Mon Calamari.

Highly insincere post.

>>96842239
>the Empire doesnt have hyper autist and utterly dysfunctional administration and bonkers religious dogma
I don't know what bullshit they put into star wars post-TFA because I just ignored it, but that's so far from the truth its funny. The galactic empire is the epitome of bonkers religious dogma. Their emperor is practically worshipped as a god. Being part of his cult is so restricted and exclusive that there's only one guy other than him, which doesn't stop dozens of wannabe sith apprentices from trying.

>>96843683
The Imperium form WH40k has a shitload of genetically altered chosen ones, related in a some way to the most powerful human in the existence, some of them even have magic powers, you know?

>>96842239
BTW, weren't TIE fighters designed as expendable flying space coffins on the purpose?
Being a TIE fighter pilot is as grim fate as being Imperial Guardsman.

>>96837875 (OP)
What an abysmal thread.
While we're at it, can any 40k anon explain how would any Imperium vessel fare against the humble buzz droid swarm?
Obviously after the void shields get overwhelmed.

>>96843762
Yeah, its cost cutting and doctrine. If your doctrine is focussed on capital ships and starfighters are an afterthought, it makes sense to cut corners by removing shields. After all, you need to produce a gorillion TIEs, for every bumfuck frontier world and every small outer rim garrison

>>96843802
>mildly hazardous automaton-life
It's one more tall tale for the officers table while the bilge slummers hunt them down with crowbars for the fighting-pits on deck 83. A few escape and become a symbiotic part of the ship ecosystem, catching rats or scraping algae from the walls in exchange for black market recharging sessions in the ventral servitor stables.

>>96843802
>The best SW fans can do is a swarm of missile launched droids not even specifically designed to hard-kill enemy capital ship combatants, but disable near-unarmoured fighter craft.

Ignoring the point defenses, and the computational difficulties of hitting an escort frigate (given their operating speeds, there's a good chance they could genuinely be outrun), we've got the secondary, tertiary, and quaternary point defenses to look at, to engage near-hull, and on-hull targets.

Going past that, you've got the meters thick armour that the buzz droid needs to cut through.
In some vessels, there will be specialized compartments behind these, designed to vent explosively to dislodge boarders, or simply confine them to make dealing with them, by turrets or ratings, easier.
Other ships utilize field bracing, generating power fields over the hull and structural supports to further reinforce the ship, as well as function similarly to a power weapon, when used offensively to ram or batter.

Now, we assume the buzz droid makes it past all these defenses, and isn't atomized by the power field the ship may or may not also generate overtop itself, the fact is, it's got to hold onto the hull as the Imperium vessel maneuvers, and remain in roughly the same spot, while it uses its small circular saw to slowly dig a hole through meters of solid adamantium. Not cut, but literally dig, as it's limbs clearly don't reach deep enough to pen the outer hull.

Honestly, their best use would probably, genuinely, be to overwhelm the void shields.

>40k is getting overglazed yet again
Yawn

Star Wars top duelists vs 40K top duelists is a more interesting discussion since at least duelists have specific feats you can compare, like Starkiller vs Sanguinius or whatever else you wanna argue about.

>>96844017
40kiddies literally can't help themselves. They don't read their own lore, they're famous for it. They think 40k is just a powerlevel wank fantasy

>>96837875 (OP)
>One suicide pilot destroys Vader's flagship

>>96844017
Cope SWfaggot. You retards are the one unironically believing in the "Imperium doesn't know how to make ships anymore!" and the "it takes years to make a single trip in warp travel" memes.

>>96843762
Kinda.
The Navy demanded a fast fighter that can be fielded cheaply in huge numbers for their newly reorginized fleet after the Clone Wars.
Seinar decided to make that happen by stripping anything from the design that wasnt connected to either guns or the ion engines.
Removing the shields and life support simply made the graph go up.

>It can take years or even decades for 40k ships to reach their destinations with warp technology!


Motherfuckers, the entire Horus Heresy only took seven to ten years. If each warp jump took fucking decades, how did the loyalists and traitors wage a galaxy-spanning war in that amount of time? Not to mention all the other battles or conflicts that lasted much shorter than that.

>>96840035
>>96837875 (OP)

The Galactic Empire will wi- WHOAH WHOA WHOAH WATCH OUT

IT'S A BUNCH OF WOODEN LOGS!!!!!!

>>96839646
>star wars blasters are plasma guns

Leia and many other characters survived a direct hit from a blaster. The guy who made a last stand at the end of Rogue One tanked multiple blaster hits before going down.

>40k ships can't be mass produced anymore

Yup, you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Forge Worlds and even industrialized worlds can make warp ships. Even fucking cavemen can make a 5km long imperial warship that mogs Star Destroyers

>Perhaps its greatest strength is theLunar's ease of construction, since it can be manufactured even in orbit ofHive WorldsandIndustrial Worldswith little-to-no shipbuilding expertise, a fact which is most ably illustrated by the manufacture of theLord Daros, aLunar-class vessel that was actually constructed by the barbaric denizens of an ImperialFeral Worldwith no industrial base of any kind.

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Lunar-class_Cruiser

Seriously, why do you even try talking shit about 40k when you don't even know the basic lore besides stupid memes?

>>96839742
>>96844247
>r*ddit spacing
go back and take your gay game with you shitskins

>bro, 40k is so strong bro
>they cant even penetrate a single space marine armor
>they just cant, ok?
>no, they cant board then a corvet
>it has like a gazillion point defence guns, 49 layers deep
>what, 40k factions board ships all the time? Yeah, we will ignore that
>dude, imperium planets are so badass, like not even 20 super star destroyers could penetrate the void shields
>what, other 40k factions do planetary bombardment all the time? I´ll ignore that
>dude, haha, only the single lowest and weakest Star Wars source is valid, everything else is headcanon
>btw, take this one quote of some literally who black library book
>it says space marines can piss at the speed of light
>did i mention the average space marine librarian is like Palpatine, Vitiate and Abeloth tier with his powers?
>its so over bro, the imperium could just do a drive by virus bomb and destroy every planet
>what? Why they never no that in 40k? Shut up star wars fag!
>no, the hyper autistic imperial administratum and admech is actually hyper effective and efficient, all the lore about the decaying state of the imperium is wrong
the absolute state

>>96839560
>SWfags pretending that their ships do not need previously mapped stable hyperspace lanes or otherwise they're just as slow or worse than 40k ships
Where is that retcon coming from? Cause it doesn't match anything published.
SW ship just hyperspeed to any star system they care to go to, or slam into superfortress, the IoM better not forget their Void shield.

>>96844464
>>96844039
Lmao it's you SWfaggots who keep on making disingenuous crap that are hinged on memelore like this fucking idiot >>96839646

>>96844471
Yes. All of that is true. Reminder that Star Wars turbolasers have less range than IRL ballistic missiles. Now fuck off with your faggot setting

[nodiffs every mortal in your setting]
Psh, nothing personnel.
>but what about these gods!
Not what was claimed.

>>96844554
I suddenly remember someone else posted about the range of SW ship guns compares to 40k engagements from another SW wank thread.
40k boarding actions begin at tens of thousands of kilometers.

>>96837875 (OP)
>fleet of final order planet buster ships jump to terra
>1 (one) gets through and blows up terra in a few seconds, a feat no other warhammer ship can achieve
>all of this with a better industrial base and logistical supply chain
The only people who think the Imperium wins are people who haven’t played an actual wargame. Warhammerfags just smash their action figures together

>>96844554
>shorter range than IRL missiles
>Even Iran, North Korea and Pakistan mog Star Wars


Oh no SW babies!!!!!

>>96844617
>Emperor summons a warpstorm to destroy the fleet

Problem solved. Oh wait, the planet buster ships all got destroyed before they evenleft their base BECAUSE THEY ARE SO RETARDED THEY DON'T KNOW THE WAY UP

>>96844635
It would take the imperium centuries to find and locate a base, Star Wars time scale is absurd compared to warhammer
>Empire scout ships encounter Imperial rogue traders
>Learn of the greatest threat they have ever known
>Empire gets to work making more planet busters
>Imperium takes a century to even acknowledge the report of another human empire
>Fleet of World Engines show up and log the Imperium

A single Harry Potter-universe wizard casting Avadkra Kedavra can kill the Emperor of Mankind, all Primarchs, Palpatine, Luke, or even Goku in one hit.

I rest my case

>>96844652
Goku dodges it

>>96844646
>Emperor summons a warpstorm to blow up the World Engines
>The Lion uses his forest powers to teleport to Coruscant, the Death Star, Palpatine's bedroom and kils him
>among many other possibilities

Yawnnnn. Problem solved. And that's just the Imperium. Let's not even get into how Chaos or the Necrons no diff Star Wars. Heck, even a single genestealer cult can take over the galactic empire.

>>96844646
>>96844617
Shut up SW bitch boy. It's already been established that Ayatollah Khameini mogs you

>>96844682
Lion mogged by Darth Vader
Emperor mogged by Emperor

>>96844723
Goku dodges it

>>96844735
Logos erasing dodging sorry.

>>96844696
Reminder imperial guard use literal ww2 tier tanks

>>96844739
Goku thens kills him with 1 (one) punch, since he can’t dodge

>>96843850
>tech menial squad 7λ56 prepares their stubbers and power wrenches for a mid-combat emergency spacewalk to the portside egine secundus to cleanse the infestation before it spreads to the other irreplaceable subsystems.
Fun scenario, but that doesnt sound like a mild hazard at all.

>>96843979
>not even specifically designed to hard-kill enemy capital ship combatants, but disable near-unarmoured fighter craft
They work on ships of the line and fighters all the same, the bigger the target the more droids it simply takes to disable it efficiently. And if the droid finds any data circuit it can fuck with it and try to highjack it.

>Ignoring the point defenses
The target profile is tiny. The actual missile itself is no more than 5 meters long. You would need some insane precission or serious saturation to screen them all, and thats before it deploys the droids.

>meters thick armour that the buzz droid needs to cut through
Indeed its probably not capable of going through the thick armour plating of 40k, as it only has 2 relatively small plasma cutters. Any exposed systems are fair game however. And it will just take some time before the droids can indetify any viable entry points into the bowels of the ship, like torpedoe tubes or airlocks.

>got to hold onto the hull as the Imperium vessel maneuvers, and remain in roughly the same spot
It has a magnetic clamp to latch to the hull and thrusters to reach the target if it gets disloged or the missile overshoots.

>computational difficulties of hitting an escort frigate (given their operating speeds, there's a good chance they could genuinely be outrun)
Thats hilarious.
How fast are those things? How do you even compare two sci-fi settings sublight speeds?

>and isn't atomized by the power field the ship may or may not also generate
Interesting.
The buzz droids ball carapace is made to bypass ray shields, but most of those wont disintegrate you.

>>96844752
Logos erased punching too sorry.
This is the no-u robot, you can only beat it by creating faster than it can no u or no u its no u (neither apply to Goku).

I think Aquarion sucks btw.

>>96844760
>applies epic magic to goku
>goku powers up until he counters it anyway
Watch DBZ bud, hacks only work if you got the power level to back it up

>>96844777
Logos can erase powerlevels. It can erase ki. It can erase the concept of Saiyans and delete the entire species altogether. It's a reality warper, not a magic user. The only way to beat it is with equal or greater reality warping.

>>96844777
Goku gets pwned by a single normie with a laser beam WHILE IN SUPER SAIYAN GOD FORM. DBZbabs need to watch their own show.

>>96844743
>another memelore being presented as fact

Whoa WW2 tier tanks had ceramite & adamantium armor, plus laser, plasma, and fusion weapons?

Anyway the Nazi German V2 outranges the Turbolaser and the Soviet T-34 doesn't instantly die to a fucking wooden log hitting it so even WW2 humans mog Star Wars

>>96842060
Shhh dont try to resist it. Just let the critical mass of pure nerd rage autism do its thing.

>>96844784
Nope, goku powers up
>>96844796
His ki field was down, planet busting laser btw
>>96844799
Those are light scout vehicles, equivalent to an armored car, not a tank

Let's settle this once and for all

In both of their primes, can Naruto beat Luffy?

>>96844831
Luffy can blow up a mountain but then has to recharge, and is completely unable to rest quickly without someone providing him food. Naruto mogs

>>96844831
Is there a character that could even possibly EVEN TOUCH Madara Uchiha? Let alone defeat him. And I'm not talking about Edo Tensei Uchiha Madara. I'm not talking about Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara either. Hell, I'm not even talking about Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and Rinnegan doujutsus (with the rikodou abilities and being capable of both Amateratsu and Tsukuyomi genjutsu), equipped with his Gunbai, a perfect Susano'o, control of the juubi and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju's DNA implanted in him so he has mokuton kekkei genkai and can perform yin yang release ninjutsu while being an expert in kenjutsu and taijutsu.

>>96844840
Akshuaulllyyyyyy Luffy Gear 5 mogs Naruto. It is even implied that Luffy is a literal sun god and the rubber fruit is actually an ancient zoan fruit and this isn't even his final form

>Emperor of Mankind
AVADKRA KEDAVRA
>Palpatine
>AVADRA KEDAVRA
>Naruto
>AVADRA KEDEVRA
>Luffy
>AVADRA KEDAVRA
>A Dalek
>AVADRA KEDAVRA

SHUT UP FAGGOTS!
KNEEL BEFORE THE ONE TRUE KING OF POWERSCALING

>>96837875 (OP)
Okay but is it all of the star wars universe vs all of the wh40k universe? Or is it just the IOM vs the startwars universe?

Because I dont see how SW could beat chaos especially is SW fans entire argument rests on FTL travel superiority when chaos can literally materialize out of nowhere and corrupt things from the inside out just from sentient beings being aware that chaos exists.

>>96837875 (OP)
Star Wars weapons count as plasma weapons in 40K.

MEQs basically are fucked.

>>96844890
Star Wars has a benevolent warp entity, The Force, which helps them resist

>>96844890
Um sorry but only we SWfags can set the parameters

>>96844916
>the Force
>benevolent

>>96844928
Yup, it spawns agents of good whenever subversive (((sith))) become a problem

Fuck this scifi shit

How about Warhammer Fantasy/AOS vs LOTR or GOT?

>>96844933
i don't know the force sounds more like the immaterium where its neither good or bad it just depends on how people use it. Also isnt the force midi-chlorians in the blood stream or something?

>>96844943
Fantasy rapes both at the same time

>>96844948
Midichlorians are just a genetic marker that shows someone’s connection to the force, not the force itself

Force is blatantly good, Jedi live in balance with it which leads to 1000 years of peace. Things go bad when Sith work to use it to corrupt, they are a cancer. When things don’t solve themselves the force spawns hyper powerful users to take them down.

>>96844943
>any sharpshooter from any faction blows off Daenery/Gandalf's head
>GOT dragons get shot down by empire/skaven guns or get mogged by elf dragons
>White walker wights are shown what TRUE undead armies are

Really nigga. I absolutely would love to hear the arguments of GOT and LOTR fags on how they can somehow survive against WHF/AOS.

>Implying Captain Picard wouldn't negotiate peace between all factions using the powers of logic and reason.

Also there is apparently a star trek board game. Multiple in fact.

>>96844943
Regular-ass swordsmen in warhammer fantasy can solo Greater Daemons so I'd say it's no contest against most fantasy settings until you get into slop like xianxia.

>>96844959
So you are saying the force can be... corrupted. Would that mean that chaos could corrupt it too?

>>96844977
Picard would negotiate peace with the empire, the imperium would be designated as “Star fleet actually tries” and wipes it out trivially

>>96844980
This. Empire Halberdiers can bench press even space marines

>Fantasy daemons are weaker than 40k daemons!!

Nope. They're the same across settings.

>>96844985
Nope, just had a rogue psyker problem. Chaos intentionally tries to corrupt, force is very easy going but generally breaks down people into horrific ghouls for being evil. I could see sith falling to chaos, spawning jobbers demons that die to Ewoks (since warhammer fantasy demons die to literally goblins with sticks) and the force spawning equal counter measures to restore balance

>>96844994
It makes sense. Warhammer Fantasy humans are primal breeding stock, when men were men. 40K has an entire army spawned from degenerative Turkish genes, applied to random nu-human thugs. The average space marine is about as strong as a modern day UFC fighter

>>96837875 (OP)
Because the Imperium was destroyed by a bunch of water farmers with ancient ritual weapons.

>>96844959
>The Force is blatantly good, Jedi live in balance with it which leads to 1000 years of slavery being legal and accepted as a general institution.
Based Southern Force.

>>96837875 (OP)
Star wars loses because it's gay. That's it.

>>96838858
>nerf herder
wow I didn't know racism was allwoed on /tg/

>>96844994
Daemons are also stronger on the Warhammer Fantasy planet than most 40k planets due to how suffused with magic the world is, even despite the Vortex.

>>96844089
Raith Sienar was truly the da Vinci of his time.

>>96846704
this doesn't say demons are stronger though

>>96847940
more magic = more powerful daemons, that's basic warhammer knowledge

>>96844163
The writers were stupid.

>>96837875 (OP)
>Star Wars is stronger.
>40k is stronger.

The real answer is Star Trek would wreck both universes in an afternoon, and they don't even need to bring in the Q to do that.

>>96844723
Didn't read all of it but is Logos stronger than Demonbane?

>>96837875 (OP)
yeah but how does the covenant fair

>>96837875 (OP)

this image pisses me off so much because the executor-class is a damn mobile command platform, not a battleship. it would snap like a twig against a warship half its size even from the same universe, if it weren't for high-capacity shielding and a complement of fighters and other warships.

the galactic empire is pretty technologically regressive too, if you compare the prequel era. they're stretched thin economically because they have to police the whole galaxy, that's why TIE fighters and stormtrooper armor are dogshit.

i personally am a bigger star wars fan than a 40K fan, but the empire's ONLY advantages are being less fanatical, understanding their own tech better, and having a reliable non-fucked FTL system.

>>96844972
>implying that the four would able to hold themselves against an Abrahamic-tier creator deity
>implying that Malekith wouldn't be wooped by the likes Feanor
>Implying that might of Numenor wouldn't bring the old world to its knees
>Implying that the valar couldn't tear off the roof of the skaven empire, like they did with Utumno

>>96848828
Stuck in a decaying franchise that last had a good mainline entry in 2007 (nearly 20 years ago). Get swarmed by either power because they dont even control all of the Orion arm never mind a true Galactic power.

>>96844972
The setting where they literally all lost and got punished by being reborn in homo world for gays?

>>96844890
I think it's just iom vs empire

>>96849012
Which faction would vibe best with the Shrie while they watch everyone else kill eachother?

>>96849292
Most of the Warhammer factions have no chill, even the halflings of the Moot are far more gluttonous and greedy than the worst hobbits, but Gotrek and Felix would probably like it.

How would the imperium fare against the Guardians. I dont think they could take them. Not even Custodes had a chance. Guardians go against cosmic gods and win.

>>96848684
^this

People forget how strong the tech is in the star trek universe. Namely that they can fabricate anything out of energy alone using the replicator.

>>96848809
I googled it for powerscaling purposes and the consensus is that the matchup is about 6-4 for Logos.

>>96842104
>thunder hawk with a librarian inside flies next to funny looking ship and fries the crew's minds

And that's how the Mechanicus got a new toy.

>>96844612
>effective range 25 km
>tfw the guns near the rear of a SSD barely hit anything past the front of the ship

>>96849504
You automatically lose if your game is dead and gay.

>>96850352
>Implying an unnamed librarian would win against plot armoured men like Kyp Durran, Han Solo and Lando Calrissian

God I missed these kinds of threads. I hate them too, and every poster in them, because of course all your opinions are wrong compared to mine, but its still soothing to the soul somehow. Fuck all of you retards, im glad /tg/ hasnt forgotten everything of its heritage, and keep on trucking.

>>96843610
NTA but if it's against the UNSC I think the Federation would rip them a new one more often than not, if they can deploy MS, before UNSC ships rip their carriers apart from range, which while there are no solid numbers for weapons ranges in Gundam as far as I am aware would have trouble fighting at further range. MS are just very unfair as they both actively jam radar, supposedly maneuver very finely in space and carry ship-grade weaponry, given we take something like the Jegan or GM 3 as an average. Issue is that the Federation more or less just has Mobile Suits and all other aspects of their military are subordinate to deploying or supporting said Mobile Suits, so in any situation where say an enemy ship can as I mentioned earlier target their ships which are primarily just MS carriers first they are fucked. This being said, I think mega particle and beam weapons generally outclass the MACs the UNSC fleet has in terms of armor penetration and destructive power. Also I'm pretty sure the UNSC has a much larger overall material pool than the Federation, which it's implied isn't even fully utilizing all its resources to hyper-mobilize as Gundam is kind of more realistic and most armies there aren't the hypermilitarized total war machines we see in Halo (and 40k, and Star Wars). Point I wanted to make is that the Feds win any space battle where they can deploy MS in against the UNSC.

>>96850710
Pointless arguing about meaningless sci-fi hypotheticals is what separates the real posters from the tourists. I could write dissertation length papers on which sci-fi and/or fantasy faction could beat which other faction and I have strong opinions on all of them.

>>96852749
I think dispersing Minovsky particles from the ships themselves would FUCK UP UNSC really badly. 0083's novelization says they engage at 5,000 whatevers (unspecified unit) but given that we know Minovsky particles tend to deaden an area pretty effectively, so much so that a warship emitting them is fucking up radar, visible light, and infrared so much that ships need to be visually identified at ranges of 100km and UC in general is a very "low acceleration" regime where it took White Base almost five days to go from Side 7 (roughly the same distance from the Earth as the Moon), though they did stop at Luna 2 for a bit, can probably assume no faster than 1970s transfer times with chemical rockets.

And so while slow, they are basically undetectable on thermal, gamma, visible light, and radar until you're right on top of them. This is made even worse by squadrons of MS also emitting enough Minovsky to make themselves only detectable through visible light at around 20km.

Particle beams are only coherent (even the mega particle ones) seemingly for like 5km or so? But UNSC's (and anyone else's) missiles are dogshit once M-particles are out at combat levels. The railguns are good but swatting MS with them might be rough? I don't know enough about Halo's AA capabilities but UC does invest heavily in AA and MS are still ship-killers. But UNSC ships are way more heavily armored since they don't have to move much at all in realspace.

I think the Battle of Loum would be basically how it went for UC forces (even early UC, let alone Unicorn-era or later) vs UNSC or The Empire. Fucking up detection in space until you're in knife-fighting range (for space) is a hell of a convenient feature.

>>96855274
I will add in the favour of UNSC however that given foreknowledge of what Minovsky effects are, with their much superior computational power they could maybe take advantage of some system to find where the stars are distorted and figure out approximately where a UC navy was coming from... given enough distance and knowing what to look for. Probably not accurately enough to hit them with a dead shot from a MAC cannon at 1000km though, being off by milliradians means missing by a moon's diameter after all.

Maybe, it might be possible, in this scenario for them to use their missiles like loitering munitions? The visuals cut both ways, looking out through the EM-spectrum haze sucks for the UC ships as well, they would need to let it disperse to see. This almost kinda sounds a bit like submarine warfare actually. Could be kino, both have equivalently strong effectors after all. Sensors and computational power plus foreknowledge of the enemy's basics would make it a very even fight, especially if the missiles could be used like loitering munitions and hopefully end up on the path of an approaching UC fleet, turning on and using laser targeting. Though laser targeting does suck still, and radio is REALLY strongly affected by Minovsky so the missiles actually being able to detect incoming ships and zoom at them for a kill is dubious. It's like trying to find a shark in the ocean but you can only see through a straw.

The Empire has dogshit 1970s computers and sensors just like UC though so they don't get this edge.

>>96848889
>understanding their own tech better, and having a reliable non-fucked FTL system

that literally is everything they need,

>>96848889
>>96857714
I was gonna say, this is like listing a bunch of negatives and then saying "and all they have is an invincibility cape and a kill anything gun!"

So what is THE most powerful sci fi setting of all time, /tg/?

>>96857886
The Cthulhu Mythos

>>96850438
so 40k looses by default?

>>96838920
you mean the well understood and explored hyperlanes that require computers and shit to keep running?

>>96839560
>ifunny logo

>>96855274
>>96852749
>>96855479
I'm deploying NEXTs to your location and telling them to suck on the fattest kojimbo blunt.
Minovsky isn't shit.

>>96844977
>logic
>on anyone in the other settings
not happening, Queue up Captain Sisko to punch the shit out of them

>>96844972
Depends on the era
>WFB v 1st era
loses hard, Mandos and the Ainu ride out to correct the issue.
Noldorian elves are 7ft tall superbeing whose grasp of the natural forces of the world superside the highelves.
Ungolant vores all of skaven kind.

>2nd era
not as good but you still have 7ft tall super beings, a good portion of elves and lesser angels running around

>3rd era
It's basically post apocalyptic but the reigning mannish powers are generally more organized that warhammer, and could put up a solid fight. magic's basically gone so they are outscaled.

>>96841267
>Could anything in star wars stop the dark eldar raids that steal away whole planets populations?
honestly eldar are just basically Vong when you think about it.

>>96857886
Jurassic Park.
>Life always finds a way.

Power scaling, especially cross-franchise power scaling, seems like the silliest thing.
>This wildly different thing from a completely different thing, that doesn't even have the same tone as the first thing, would win in a fight
Yea, sure, but is getting into nerd fights with strangers on the internet a worthwhile use of your time? Shouldn't you be prepping for the TTRPG you've got scheduled?

>>96861360
vong can be literally every 40k xeno, sadistic and race of knife ears running around the galaxy and fighting everyone with a living ships, and also have caste system

>>96861317
Nexts are just ACs reaching late-UC power levels for the one time.

The only really impressive parts are taking down arms forts (massive boondoggles that can't keep up anymore) and high speed blading (unintentional glitch that got patched out of every other regulation). Otherwise it's mostly just distinct because otherwise AC is a much more technologically basic mecha setting and no one's going to argue the merits of the other games being super duper overpowered or anything.
Also ACs get their weapon tracking cut from strong enough ECM. Minovsky particles would be a huge pain in the neck for them.

>>96857886
Downstreamers.

>>96838010
/tg/ should ban generals.

>>96844828
>Those are light scout vehicles
>Sending light scout vehicles to defend a vital shield generator that protects your space station
>By the way the shield generator is not even fortified such that teddy bears and people can just walk up to it.

>no mention Star Wars vs Warhammer 40K youtube fanfic from AFanWithTooMuchTime ITT

I'm curious how /tg/ feels about. It is made for obnoxious 40K fanboys

>>96870912
>It is made for obnoxious 40K fanboys
Are there any other 40k fanboys?

>>96871002
There are some who just want to play it

>>96863899
It would help a lot. They get so incestuous.

>>96837875 (OP)
The Tau could take over the Star Wars universe

>>96871321
The Tau could take over the 40k universe

>be galactic empire
>immediate get corrupted by chaos because you never learnt to deal with an apocalpyse level memetic cognitohazard
lol

>>96844831
Luffy's prime has yet to be reached and his latest powerup makes him quasi omnipotent.

>>96871334
wrong, overglazed and cringe

>>96871538
>wrong
Chaos is all corrupting. A civilisation that didn't "grow up" with the constant threat of chaos will be corrupted by it within two weeks. It's like 90% of native America dying to European plagues when the colonisation started. The Galactic Empire has literally 0 failsafes against a mindvirus like Chaos and their society would rot from bottom to top.
>overglazed
I don't know what that means but I bet it's going to be very
>cringe

>>96871579
The force would counteract. Disney can more lawyers than GW, therefore, the force will overpower the warp.

>>96871579
>Chaos is all corrupting.
wrong, learn your lore
>A civilisation that didn't "grow up" with the constant threat of chaos will be corrupted by it within two weeks
Wrong, doesnt even happen in the 30k/ 40k verse, will not happen in Star Wars
> It's like 90% of native America dying to European plagues when the colonisation started.
Again, never even happened in the 40k verse, not with the imperium and not with non-imperium factions
>The Galactic Empire has literally 0 failsafes against a mindvirus like Chaos and their society would rot from bottom to top.
Star Wars humans/ aliens have no psyker gene and their souls are not linked to the warp, so its a Tau situation. They are unbothered by it.
>I don't know what that means
You are jerking 40k off way too hard. No, Chaos isnt a "haha, Star Wars insta-looses" button.

>>96837875 (OP)
because master sun said “big number beat small number”
i think guard is 7 trillion strong which beats out the empire easily. that doesnt even count local defense or other independent allied forces.

>>96871838
>wrong, learn your lore
It's true. Merely looking at chaos symbols has a corrupting influence and the temptation of chaos is always there in the 40K universe. Only a strong faith or psychic protection can shield you from it.
You seem to have no idea how potent of a lovecraftian force Chaos truly is. It's an intangible, omnipresent mind virus and just thinking the wrong thoughts enough will eventually summon demons.
>Wrong, doesnt even happen in the 30k/ 40k verse, will not happen in Star Wars
Because civilisations don't get iskeai'd into the 40K galaxy, dumbass.
>Again, never even happened in the 40k verse, not with the imperium and not with non-imperium factions
See above, retard
>Star Wars humans/ aliens have no psyker gene and their souls are not linked to the warp, so its a Tau situation. They are unbothered by it.
The tau are immune because of mind control, not because of their genes, lorelet. Every non Chaos-faction currently alive in 40K only exists because they have a way of dealing with Chaos corruption. The Galactic Empire never had a need for something like this so they'd fall to Chaos immediately.
>No, Chaos isnt a "haha, Star Wars insta-looses" button.
It is. The people of the galactic empire never had to deal with chaos cults suddenly appearing on their planets. Every minor or major person is suddenly susceptible to chaos influence without even knowing what the ruinous Powers are.
Two weeks and you'll have chaos cults running the show in the galactic empire, eating it from within. They will still go to war with the IoM of course and they might even still win, but this isn't Star Wars winning because Chaos was already steering the ship.

You can say "nu uh!!" as many times as you like but these are facts.

>>96871984
>calling someone a lorelet whilst perpetuating the dumbass reddit myth of tau mind control in the same sentence

>>96871984
this is just sad to read. Anon, at least engage with actual 40k content, instead of overhyped fandom exaggeration. People like (you) are the reason as to why 40k fans are looked down upon as obnoxious.

>>96839560
Fuck yeah i loved me sum beastie boys back in the day

WH40k empire is more politically stable than SW empire.
it lasted 10k years after Emprah became a former husk of himself, meanwile SW empire collapsed within a weekend after Palpatine died, and it didn't help a lot when he somehow returned or something

>>96842127
>The entire Empire's fleet can teleport across the map and hit planets with small and weak defender fleets

And they just somehow have perfect intelligence to know exactly where all enemies are at any given point? The imperial fleet couldn't figure out where the rebels were despite them possessing large fleets within their own territory but they can easily figure out exactly where to strike in a completely foreign galaxy?

Also star wars ships don't teleport lol, they ride along already existing hyperlanes from specific point As to point Bs not just going from any point A to any point B as fast as possible.

>Meanwhile, the Imperium fleets have managed to hit the absolute closest system, and are now sluggishly grinding on towards the next system.

Not how warp travel works.

>>96843802
>would any Imperium vessel fare against the humble buzz droid swarm?

The same way it deals with any debris field? Things like buzz druids can only be scarier than regular debris if you're ships are so slow that a buzz saw would do more damage to a ship than rock would given the ship's speed.

>>96844753
>They work on ships of the line and fighters all the same,

a ship of the line in SW would be considered an escort or less in 40k. Also SW depend far more on their shields than conventional armour compared to 40k

>>96844753
>It has a magnetic clamp to latch to the hull and thrusters to reach the target if it gets disloged

Anon 40k ships can move at up to 75% the speed of light, a buzz droid touching it will be evaporated

>>96871538
the empire would certainly get fucked by chaos simply because its led by retards that pretty much encourage all the negative behaviours chaos thrives on, somebody like palpy would certainly get memed by Tzeentch and Vader might as well instantly fall to Khorne

>>96874046
No, they wont. Jesus, i suggest to touch some grass.

>>96873735
>40k ships can move at up to 75% the speed of light
More significantly, move at those speeds and get up to them FAST, and never have to worry about fuel (who cares), never have to worry about reaction mass (who cares), never have to worry about radiation or whatever else (who cares), never has to worry about micrometeor collisions (who cares), and has fake gravity so all sudden changes in acceleration are (you guessed it) WHO CARES.

The setting that doesn't give a shit about how it happens and "it just does okay" is a better big advantage. Not a dunk on 40K but it is worth noting that the answer is "magic" for how anything at all works at every level, or more accurately "shut up who cares that's not what this is about". Which is true. It's not.

>>96839628
>How is them being able to attack an agricultural world going to help them if the IoM hit coruscant with a virus bomb?
They'll probably just turn up the planetary shield?

>>96863899
But then we'd have to deal with all the Colonels and... Eugh. I don't wanna.

>>96874079
The only reason the Empire wouldn't collapse under Chaos would be because something else got them first. From the time old Palps stertet making his moves until he died was only 37 years, only 26 of that was his empire actually existing. 40k has sieges that lasted longer than that, and as much backstabbing as they did, do you think a Tzeench demon offering all the dirt on the people that want someone dead or a fly that offers to spare the people of a world suffering under the empire wouldn't get plenty of takers on their offer?

Hell, Palps would be arrogant enough to think that he could outsmart them for more power for himself, and we all know how well that always ends.

>>96876488
40k sieges only take that long because the Imperium is slow as hell to respond. They’ve got the numbers and resources, but their FTL sucks.

>>96839560
>they only cling to that because 40k mogs SW in all other areas military-wise

>>96872751
Asking someone to actually read or play some games on /tg/ instead of watching youtube videos and tiktoks is a huge ask.

>>96876819
>instead of watching youtube videos and tiktoks
Somehow worse than ye olden days of "reading 1d4chan and reddit memes".

>>96871984
Chaos wankers truly are the worst part of 40k, and it's not close.

>hurr durr chaos win everything forever

No it doesn't. For all you know the light side of the Force cockslaps Chaos into a pretzel as soon as they clash.

>>96873682
And one thing to remember, a buzz Droid can only cut or drill so deep. Which works fine on star wars ships that have sane, rational amounts of hull plating.

Imperial ships have armor measured in meters on their smaller ships. Sure, the buzz droid maybe has the world's most perfect cutter blade, but eventually that blade bottoms out and the droid cant shove itself any deeper without shattering itself.

So it has to stop, make some more cuts, try to do excavator work so it can widen the hole enough to get inside and start cutting some more. Meanwhile the battle has been over for two days, the droid still has 6 feet of armor left to cut through, and there's suited up voidsmen walking on the outer hull to do some barnacle cleaning.

>>96876705
No, they just have a semi realistic idea of how long a major siege against, say, a supply depot/fortress would actually take when shields that can repel artillery are involved.

Also, reminder that Star Wars only has a small part of their galaxy explored for a reason. Their FTL barely functions outside of the few major hyperspace lanes, and blockading just one of them crippled the Republic in less than a month once.

>>96837875 (OP)
>200+ replies
>not a single miniature posted
Why do you talk so much about a game you obvously dont play?

>>96837875 (OP)
>why 40k fans still think they can beat Star Wars
because Star Wars was defeated by a single guy.

>>96844959
>Force is blatantly good, Jedi live in balance with it which leads to 1000 years of peace.
I'm sure slavery was legal when the Jedi were in charge.

>>96837875 (OP)
Because the Galactic Empire was done in by the rebellion within one year. Thanks, Disney

>>96837875 (OP)
Okay, let me analyze this.

>The Republic lost to one guy and his small group of friends; the galaxy was completely conquered, and they lost all their Jedi.

>The Empire (Star Wars) loses to one guy and his small group of friends (not to mention they're all poor).

>The New Republic loses again to the same group of idiots who somehow rebuilt their entire army without anyone noticing the massive diversion of resources.

How do you expect me to take these guys seriously when they literally lose the entire galaxy every time they fight?

>Hyperdrive rams a Gloriana battleship
>Warp core breaches
>Creates a new Eye of Terror that resurrects Palpatine again.

>>96839397
Actually this is a really good point in that hyperspace routes can be blocked and it would honestly likely be pretty easy for some warp bullshit to fuck up any given hyperspace route

>>96879097
God dammit

>>96839445
This anon actually has a point, even if you don't like it

Yes imperial logistics are a problem, but the empire would have an insanely difficult time taking any particular world in the imperium, especially if it was well defended. For EXAMPLE a single battle barge carrying 25 terminators could teleport them in squads of 5 onto 5 different bridges of five different star destroyers and they would kill every single commanding officer within 5 minutes. A lot of SM space combat centers around boarding action which the imperials have 0 answer two, and that type of thing plays out again and again

>>96878608
No defense is that strong if the Imperium could actually mobilize their forces on time, a few more ships committing to orbital bombardment or sent in enough men to the surface would take out any shield, but they have to fight for centuries because their ftl suck ass

>>96878889
The Jedi didn't run the Republic, they served it. Last time the Jedi were forced to run shit directly it was because the Republic had practically devolved into feudalism and you had "Jedi Lords" ruling systems and sectors to fight against the Sith.

Ironically when the Jedi were running it, other than the whole Sith war business it was actually working pretty well.

>>96878889
>I'm sure slavery was legal when the Jedi were in charge.
Nope. Banned across the Republic. If you mean Tattooine, that isn't a Republic world, it's owned by the Hutt Cartels who are a government unto themselves.

>Star Wars loses the first few years of the war because 40k ships are bigger and have higher firepower (I'm generalizing of course, there are SW ships and munitions that easily equal and surpass 40k's shit as well but I'm throwing the 40ktrannies a bone here)
>then their actually functional technological understanding allows them to reverse engineer the Imperium's technology and start building the things the Mechanicus can't, faster, more efficiently
>Suddenly the Imperium is facing millions of Imperator-class battleships organized into fleets and equipped with hyperdrives rather than that dogshit Warp drive trash
>Eventually SW deconstructs an Ark Mechanicus and gets the STC living inside of it, gaining full Dark Age of Technology weapons and ship designs that massively outclass the Imperium in every way
>SW crushes the Imperium overnight
an empire that is coasting on its own decrepit momentum literally can't win, it can only delay the inevitable. The entire story of 40k is the Imperium holding the tide back one more day at the cost of trillions of guardsmen. The Tau are already an existential threat to the Imperium because they have the advantage of innovation on their side, yet they only hold 500 worlds. If the Tau are such a threat, the SW galaxy is a million times more dangerous to the Imperium.

>>96884482
Interesting rhetoric, I really like it. However facts don't mean anything to the Imperium glazer so pointing out that T'au are able to put up a fight will get denied, vehemently. But to be fair, I'll also say that your STC hypothetical is a bit far-fetched and redundant since "we have actual industry and innovation and can copy your shit" was enough without getting totally fanciful about it.

>>96879097
Unlike, that ram was one in a million chance, remember?

>>96884482
>>then their actually functional technological understanding allows them to reverse engineer the Imperium's technology

Idk where the assumption comes from the Imperials are somehow masters of tech, all the technology the use is essentially the same tech they've been using for 1,000's of years.

>>96884577
utterly wrong

>>96884577
>masters of tech
No need for that. SW just needs to understand the absolute most basic principles of technology and they've already got a tremendous leg up over Mechanicus understanding of technology which has to be operated using rites, incense, and prayers. SW would know they can just push the damn button after the system pre-checks are complete to make thing go.

>>96884618
Isn't it inconsistent and/or ambiguous as to if the tech priests are genuinely incompetent superstitious quacks or whether they are cunning and knowledgeable (though most of it has genuinely been lost and they don't share the remaining shit with each other) and are just doing obfuscation to make their trade impenetrable to outsiders?

>>96884577
they can build a space ships with parts in a junk yard man

>>96849526
>>96848684
>Traveled to the 90s
>Almost gets killed by a random CEO

>>96884482
> millions of Imperator-class battleships
lmao, delusional. At their peak the GE wasn't unable to build more than 25k of the things
>The Tau are already an existential threat to the Imperium
hahahah
>>96884577
Delusional
>>96884583
utterly correct. SW military tech is just as stale in practice as the Imperium
>>96884618
>blah blah blah I've no idea about how the AdMech actually operates
The limitations to technological development are handwaved all the time for convenience or greed. The AdMech does a lot of reverse engineering of non-STC and xeno tech when it suits them.
Once they (and the Inquisition) focus in capturing a SW spacecraft with a working hyperdrive, it will be a matter of time before they achieve replicating it.
There's also the issue of the necessity of mapping hyperlanes, which takes years even in peacetime. Funny how SW fags always forget about that.
>>96886084
correct

>>96886084
What's inconsistent is how many techpriests realize the entire religion is a sham. Most don't. What isn't inconsistent is the rites of technology, which ALL techpriests must follow because if they don't they'll be labeled hereteks.

>>96890918
LOL wh40k fans cant think of answers to any problem other than hurr hulk smash duurr!!!

Here's how star trek wins. Captain Picard coming from a universe where humanity actually understands its own tech and is much more advanced than the IOM offers to heal the emperor. Emperor gets healed, recognizes the moral and ethical superiority of the federation being much more in line with his own atheistic scientific vision for what the IOM should have been. Offers to join the federation in exchange for helping him and graciously accepts the Federations help guiding his people into a better way of living.

And just like that crisis averted, minimal bloodshed, and everyone is happy. Its truly a pity that wh40k fans cant see past their own base desire for bloodshed and conflict.

>INB4 Picard couldnt do that
Picard has Canonically bested Q using logic and reason. Q is a being infinitely more powerful than the emperor so it would hardly be a challenge.

>>96893054
>Emperor gets healed, recognizes the moral and ethical superiority of the federation being much more in line with his own atheistic scientific vision for what the IOM should have been

So basically Picard replaces the Emperor with someone else while nobody is looking

>>96886084
It's pretty consistent the fact that the higher you go on the pecking order the more actual knowledge the techpriests have. Actual faith may vary, but while a random enginseer might just know everything by rote you can guarantee that an archmagos, even the most religious and fanatical one that believe in their dogma 100%, is still going to be an incredibly knowledgeable scientists.

>>96893770
What? Thats not at all what I said or even implied.

>>96893814
It absolutely was what you implied, even if you don't realise it. In order for the Emperor to recognize the moral and ethical superiority of the federation he would need to be swapped with a completely different character. The Emperor would look one second at the federation and instantly think them naive fools that are just waiting for a long night.

>>96891547
Nobody’s saying the Tau are going to conquer Terra tomorrow, but the fact that they’ve survived and even pushed back Imperium says everything about how inefficient the Imperium is.

>>96893054
>Here's how star trek wins. Captain Picard coming from a universe where humanity actually understands its own tech and is much more advanced than the IOM offers to heal the emperor. Emperor gets healed, recognizes the moral and ethical superiority of the federation being much more in line with his own atheistic scientific vision for what the IOM should have been. Offers to join the federation in exchange for helping him and graciously accepts the Federations help guiding his people into a better way of living.
I mean, it does sound exactly like a Star Trek episode. Maybe they can hit the Eye of Terror with an inverse tachyon beam and close it or something hilarious like that.

>>96893965
Do you even know your own lore? Current imperium is not the same as the emperors vision for it. If anything the emperor would be jealous that the federation basically did what he wanted to do without all the senseless bloodshed.

>>96893965
Except the Federation is literally the Emperor's end goal for humanity?

>>96840051
>Space Marine was hit for 0 damage
>Space Marine was hit in the head for 0 damage
>Space Marine was critically hit in the head for 0 damage, that's gonna leave a nasty scar

>>96871334
Sith are quite literally powered by being evil if I recall correctly. Mixing up Star Wars and 40k metaphysics would start making shit get confusing but im pretty sure someone with enough mastery over the dark side, which seems to take more steps to manage properly than warp sorcery, like Palpatine could easily enter a tard wrangling situation like Archeon's

>>96905216
cringe marine wanker

>>96844980
>Regular-ass swordsmen in warhammer fantasy can solo Greater Daemons
Cheats in Total War don't count.

>>96905222
The warp and the force aren't comparable whatsover. The force is an observable and somewhat physically founded mostly predictable phenomena. Warp entities are sentient manifestations of general emotions and the collective uncounscious with active personalities, most of which often times do nonsensical stupid shit because it fits their archetype. Manipulating chaos is not THAT hard, big E did it, Archeon did it, Eisenhorn did it, even Yvraine did it. Im sure Palpatine could end up in a tard wrangle situation given he's shown the skills to do so but they're completely different systems

>>96849504
Imperial Guard and Navy could easily take them out via overwhelming force.
Imagining doing a strike solo but with 100 times the enemies rushing at you, that's how badly the Guardians would be outgunned and outnumbered, they'd get completely swarmed.

>solos your Legion
>out-styles your Legion
>makes it look effortless

>>96905216
every blaster in sw is plasma weapons, that marine is dead

>>96905071
>>96899784
The biggest character trait of the Emperor, which is old as fuck in the lore, is that he sees himself as literally the only possible way for humanity to go on and he is physically unable to accept that other ways might be viable. We literally have an example of Crusade era Imperium meeting a federation equivalent and it was straight up genocided. It doesn't matter if yes, the federation is actually reaching his stated end goal better that what he could ever do. If anything it would make him even less able to accept it as a viable alternative. Picturing him seeing the federation and go "I'm wrong actually" is character rape on the level of Palpatine deciding to retire as a farmer.

>>96912212
The only examples of the Federation situation you are talking about was manipulated by outside forces to bring it to bloodshed.
Before that, negotiations were going well.

>>96912257
Can you point me to a single point in the fluff where the Emperor changes idea or is even shown as being willing to embrace other ideas instead of going my way or the highway I am infallible?

>>96837875 (OP)
How big is the SW Imperium?
If IoM doesn't have any other enemy than the SW Imperium I think that W40k will win just by numbers.

>>96913402
depends on the time you´re looking at time. Its largest expansion was after the last seperatist holdouts fell in the outer rim sieges till about Yavin or Endor. After that it obviously fragmented into various warlord mini empires and imperial remnant states. So if we take the episode 4 to episode 6 movie era, most of the star wars galaxy, excluding smaller states like hutt space etc.

Now how big the Star Wars galaxy is compared to 40ks milky way? Who the fuck knows, really. Both are very big.

>>96837875 (OP)
One (1) B-Wing, TIE Bomber, Y-Wing, or any other strike craft would shit on any 40k warship and it's not even close.

>>96844943
Warhammer Fantasy >>>>>>>>>>>>∞>>>>>>>>> Warhammer 40k.

>>96848828
They win.

>>96844943
Lotr/ GoT is too low power/ low magic to stand up to Warhammer Fantasy or AoS, unless you go Silmarillion autism. A better comparison would be WFB/ AoS vs Warcraft or some Forgotten Realms/ Pathfinder world. Like Stormwind vs the Empire or Cheliax vs Bretonnia or Thay vs Sylvania.

>>96913885
Actually, since thats a fun one, lets go with Karl Franz era Empire vs Retail WoW Stormwind.

Infantry:
>Stormwind has a large, professional army with blackpowder rifles and heavy plate armor being common, large variety of specialized formations
>Empire has a large, professional army with blackpowder rifles, regular soldier less well armored, large variety of specialized formations, maybe overall more manpower (?)
Though call in this regard

Cavalry
>Stormwind has well trained and capable knights
>The Empire has a large variety of knighty orders with various boons and specializations. Also demigryph knights.
I´ll give this one to the empire

artillery & engines of war
>Stormwind has various forms of artillery and cannons, including large numbers of both regular and extra massive siege tanks, including incredibly powerfull ones if we grant them azerite tanks
>The empire has very strong cannons and artillery and potent steam tanks (their numbers however are low and their firepower probably lesser)
I´ll grant this one to stormwind

Airforce
>Stormwind has a large number of Gryphon riders and mechanical gyrocopters and warplanes and several truly massive airships
>the imperium has a much smaller airforce with few flying machines. Gryphons, Pegasi and imperial dragons are few and mostly reserved for generals, but very strong
I´ll say this one goes to Stormwind

Magic
>Stormwind has capable warmages, priests and paladins in large numbers. Healing magic much more common and stronger than in the empire.
>Empire has very strong warmages of a larger variety of magic schools, also capable priests of sigmar.
This is a tough one. Healing wise, it goes to Stormwind, but i´d say the average imperial warmage packs more firepower than the stormwind mage. Could go either way.

>>96844078
>One suicide pilot destroys Vader's flagship

>>96914164
specialist formations and elite units
>Stormwind very strong here, should we grant them the 7. Legion. SI:7 is also a large, skilled and capable intelligence service
>Empire has various regiments of renown as well as spies and witch hunters
Tough one when it comes to elite units, but intellience wise it goes to Stormwind with the SI:7

heroes and champions (excluding named characters)
>Stormwind has a limited amount of extremely strong champions of various classes
>the empire has a probably overall larger amount of somewhat less powerfull champions
I´ll say Stormwind

Fleet
>Stormwind has a massive and well equipped maritime fleet, if we take the 200 (300?) ships quote from Mists. Might even field Submarines unless we say thats gnome only
>Empire has overall larger warships, but i have no numbers, so i´ll assume maybe smaller fleet number wise
Tough call to make, maybe Stormwind?

Experience
>Stormwind is used to fight the various nations of the Horde, the undead Scourge, the burning legion and various other supernatural forces well known for magics, fielding large numbers and using corruption dark magics
>You can say pretty much exactly the same for the Empire.
No one really is ahead here. If the Empire can deal with Chaos, it can deal with Legion dreadlords and old god fuckery and if Stormwind can survive old god fuckery and Dreadlords, it can survive Chaos and Vampires.

Not sure if i forgot some important field. Its a really hard guess which one would come out ahead in a fight, since both sides are very strong and capable, with one side slightly ahead in field A and the other side being ahead in field B, yet neither side really lacking hard in any regard. Probably will ultimatly depends on which side we grant larger numbers, more potent supernatural forces and which elite units/ champions and field commanders are favoured by the writers

>>96863899
Nah, keep game specific generals (mtg, 40k) while banning the setting related generals (Star wars etc.) which just talk about other media 90% of the time

>>96837875 (OP)
Imperium has teleport tech and which ever setting has teleport tech wins the fight.

>>96883803
No, the fighting takes that long because shields have to be brought down via saturation. Even late in the siege of Vraks when it was just the main fortress still in operation it took weeks, even with warships making attack runs, for the shields to flicker enough for aome artillery shells to make it through the flickering shielding and impact the walls. Hell, the only reason in fell when it did was because the Khorne worshipers gor bored and charged the Imperials.

>>96843802
Their batteries die before they drill through the armor far enough to actually hit anything.

>>96844753
>They work on ships of the line and fighters
Armor on a 40k capital ship, is thicker than the length of an X-Wing nose to tail.

>any exposed systems
Of which there are none. All the wiring is under that armor.

>>96844039
If 40k wasn't so popular, you wouldn't give a shit.

>>96844483
>doesn't match anything published.
Hey look a huge list of sources for hyperspace routes and why they exist, and an actual map showing major lanes.
https://starwars <dot> fandom.com/wiki/Hyperspace_route

>>96842127
Ignoring how impossible it is to use the hyperspace advantage without precharted routes, how do you intend to beat any on station escorts or cruisers, or system defence ships? GE Star Destroyers effectively have no armour or shields by 40k standards, and are armed with the equivalent of point defence/aa turret guns, that won't actually do damage to Imperial ships.

>>96837875 (OP)
Kek, the Executor is, and please correct me if my math is wrong, about 400x larger than it should be in that picture. In scale comparison it's about the size of a Dauntless class, and also lacks the armoured bow.

and anyway, the Battletech universe mogs both sides on the ground, or Star Wars in a direct fleet clash

>>96919367
BATTLETECH MENTIONED OUTSIDE OF BTG
RAAHHHHHHHHHHH

>>96919367
Battletech added actual combat ships? Since when?

>>96841959
The Imperium does not control anywhere near the entire galaxy. They are said to control "a million worlds" and there are hundreds of billions of worlds in the galaxy. You are making the rookie mistake of looking at a galactic map and imagining it as a topographical map.

>>96905323
If the Force is anything it would be a universal-scale C'tan. It's a thing created and existing wholly in the material universe. At the polar opposite of the Warp.

>>96841959
> that WH40k the Imperium controls more or less the entire galaxy
Lmao, ultiamate lorelet take who consumed 40k via reddit and youtube. No, the imperium is far away from control the entire galaxy. They control territory all over the place, but that territory is surrounded by frontier space, ork space, unexplored space or hostile space.

Here, in pic related you have ork territory all around the galaxy, in massive parts of it. Taken straight out of a codex.

>>96841959
>>96920147
about a third of Segmentum Ultima is controlled by Necrons and on the western side, in Segmentum Pacificus, shit also looks pretty rough for the Imperium.

>>96841959
The Imperium has the ability to exert control over "their" galaxy comparable to the Council races in Mass Effect.

>>96919804
WarShips have had rules since '89, they were in TRO: 2750

>>96843092
>technologically stale
The clone wars is a single generation before the rebellion era and it's a period of decline that STILL has a backwards ass empire building super weapons that can destroy planets and suns anon.
>Vong invaded
they literally build better ships during this period anon, Mandalore even re-discovers the process to make their super armor lol

SW universe would win simply because it's more populated than the IoM and they have functioning shipyards whereas IoM can barely keep their shit holding together

>>96919804
>>96920416

Added almost since the beginning, and frustratingly almost completely ignored, marginalized and destroyed since then because they've got this stupid idea that the mere existence of warships renders the stompy robots obsolete. Same reason that Aerospace fighters technically exist but almost never actually show up unless you want to insert a scene of a Rifleman swinging its dick around or whatever.

>>96862319
You forget the Kojimbo particles,
Sometimes a Mech is a Mech,
Sometimes it's a delivery system for the real weapon.
Just as the Dracs about that.

>>96862112
Yeah but they also have that fallen race thing and the gravity weapons.

>>96924145
Killing the bystanders several weeks later isn't the real weapon compared to the energy shield and conventional weapons you can use to kill them now, especially when it's just as much a hassle for you to deal with as your enemies. They don't have to keep them in their hangers.
Most mechs are environmentally sealed anyway.

>>96924202
>unleashing extremely radioactive pollutant s into the atmosphere that are capable of travelling kilometres on the air isn't a real weapon
i'm sorry the fucka are you smoking?
And actually THINK about it.
Big fuck of gundam kills next in land battle
Pilot is sealed and the radioactive particles can't get in. but the land he was fighting on is now fucking toxic, his mech is COVERED in those radioactive particles. particles that could have gotten through the filters, or through battle damage.
Particles that have to be cleaned off your mechs and present a genuine threat to the hanger crews, if you can even do this. to my knowledge pilots are wired into a next and die within 10 years and while i think it's psychic strain of the AMS doing it, i think part of it is having to be fed likely kojimbo laced food.
Reminder, Kojimbo is corrosive and will damage your mechs in those games (aside from the primal armour, i mean like concentrated, so it's likely assumed to be doing that over time)

>>96924322
Failing to defeat your enemies in combat but managing to kill literally everything else including everyone in your homeland too with fallout isn't a very convincing victory. We can do that already, we just don't for obvious reasons.

Especially when gundam already has space colonies. They already got the "leave the polluted earth behind" solution ready. It's a big problem in AC because their colonies are in atmosphere. Even in the absolute worst case scenario where every next becomes a dirty bomb and the entire planet is scoured clean of life, half their population doesn't even live on the planet.

Zeon pretty much tries to do this every few years already. It'd suck but it's certainly not the end of the world. lol

Also we can assume KP aren't that immediately deadly because you can see dozens of crew casually standing around in gasmasks during its boot up sequence in the intro. I don't think they'd do that if it had a result like getting blasted with pure deadly skin-falls-off radiation from being anywhere near it during or after operation.

Kojima particles are fairly vague in description but they firmly seem more dangerous to the environment than having any immediate affect on things around them, and they come off as getting fan-lored into actually melting steel and frying people from indirect exposure.

>>96837875 (OP)
it's very simple my friend
part of the opener for star wars is
>a long time ago in a galaxy far far away
and 40k is, as we all know, in the grim dark future, and its opener includes
>forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be relearned
in short none of that star wars stuff works by the time 40k rolls around (and their galaxy has probably been eaten by tyranids)

>>96924726
>we can do that already.
I assumed the worst my friend, the next as a weapon is one of total warfare, and annihilation, you cannot deploy it anywhere you want to hold ground. then again who hasn't burned crops to kill an enemy.
in space it might be even more of a problem, it's particles are not really constrained, they're going to continue to spread out and you're going to get a nasty case of Kessler syndrome. also kojima weapons exist in setting, bathing a colony in concentrated jimbo is going to cause problems.
also i'd like to point out:
>every next becomes a dirty bomb and the entire planet is scoured clean of life
is an inch away from the canon ending.

>It'd suck but it's certainly not the end of the world.
honestly, i wonder if in real scientific terms if a colony drop should be. 40 km of metal and shit hitting the earth at high speed, that's got to fuck with the world on some very fucking big levels, i mean the roid that killed the dinos was how big? like half. mass and everything is different but fuck that'd be cool to figure out.

>>96924800
dude there's literally a mission where you're taking constant damage in ac 4 from the result of concentrated kojimbo to fight a normal AC line specifically designed to be immune to kojima radiation.
you can overcome it but the fact that it was designed to specifically be immune to it no matter the source suggest that this does a concentration effect where the close you are the worse it gets.
you mech isn't immune either i should remind, it's resistant.

a as final thought the guys servicing white glint, yeah it's a corporation, don't know what to tell you there. is it specialist PPE that allows them to survive in this sort of environment?
if that's the case why move to upper air colonies when you could hypothetically just set up a big sealed bubble and decontaminate everything.
signs point to this being fucked. the only thing we could really hope/imagine is that they aren't exposed too much.
or it's there to provide more cool factor by showing the scale, which you couldn't do otherwise.

>>96925246
Also the Kojima dispersal tech can be shut off, there is a mission in 4 where you don't get most of your Kojima advantages because a VIP is nearby.

>>96843092
>It usually takes a few days, weeks or months to travel most distances in 40k.

Read the lore, retard. The Imperium needs 1–6 weeks to cross a handful of light years on a “stable” warp route — and that’s the good outcome.
The bad ones are 2 minutes, 1,200 years, or never arriving at all.

EXCERPTS ON WARP TRAVEL

Notes of Sharim Calypso, Adjutant advisor to the Imperial Navy. Ref. MCS17-82h.57c

The Questio Logisticus branch of the Adeptus Administratum has a division devoted to tracking median travel via common warp routes. Although only two millennia worth of data has been compiled, it has thus far proven little, save what is already known – to enter warp space is a deadly and unpredictable risk.

By way of an example, note the logbook of the Proxxian traders that operate in the Nephilim Sector. They primarily transport forced labour, from the hive world of Proxx to the isolated mining colonies of Hephastian, approximately three times each Terran year. The distance is dozens of light years and requires a fleet to traverse the immaterium. The route is anything but predictable, despite being classed as a semi-fluctuating passage (the most stable rating). Typical voyages range between one and six weeks, but the more extreme journeys have taken as much as 1,200 years and as little as two minutes. Some 22% of expeditions have, as of yet, not arrived at their destination – although given the time disparity, one can only estimate what percentage have been lost and which are still en route. In distance, this is a relatively short voyage; the numbers only grow worse with longer journeys.


Warhammer 40,000 Rulebook 8ed p278

>Marines destroy baseline human meatbags unless they're lucky enought to get a shot with a heavy/special weapon

A fucking Marine got his throat punctured by a wooden spear and died.
And you’re seriously trying to argue a plasma blaster to the head wouldn’t kill him?

>>96925865
Another marine was run through, armor and all, by a broken lance wielded by a backwater savage and died as well back in the 3ed Chaos Space Marine codex.

>>96849504
The Guardians only have one city and don't have the manpower to fight a galaxy of enemies.

>>96925163
>>96925246
Just comes off like it's being massively overhyped for the sake of powerlevel discussion when it's otherwise partly a background detail to explain why they have energy shields now and why the planet is screwed. ACFA has been showing up in a lot of this sort of discussion lately as the hot super setting that could totally beat up anyone.
>in space it might be even more of a problem
Yeah, this sort of thing. There's no reason to assume it's somehow going to spread throughout the cosmos to the point it'd be a concern for space colonies. It's just hyping it up for something that's outside the scope of the narrative it's in. It's vague enough that you can put your own spin on it and there's nothing definitive. There's no numbers or anything, we don't know how long it takes to spread, how far it spreads, what it even strictly does to materials, etc.
>>96926053
I've read that story and it repeatedly describes how woefully ineffective their weapons are against them until he gets one lucky hit in a heavily damaged piece of armor.
I feel like a lot of warhammer "this happened once in a blurb" quotings are much like this. It's really searching for exceptions in a field of "yeah their armor is really quite good".

>>96914265
To be fair an AT-AT is way bigger and more durable than the puny AT-ST.
The Panzer Tanks simply wouldn't be able to penetrate it's armor.
Now against heavy artillery however, the AT-AT stands no chance.

>>96914164
Late WoW-era human kingdoms are industrial powers that wear knight cosplay the way Imperial Japan still had guys dressed in samurai garb as a direct result from the constant wars being an analogue to the Black Plague sweeping up Europe. When they aren't fucking around with physical gods made out of indestructium-only-damagable-by-enchanted-sord, they'll just shoot the enemy with a rifle-revolver. This is one thing I liked about their depiction in the Warcraft movie.

>>96926154
The marine still died to a fucking stick.

>>96927274
The moral of the story of the turtle and the hare is that hares are really slow and turtles can easily beat them at racing.

>>96872751
Soldiers in Gaunt's ghosts show symptoms when near chaos symbols and have to avert their gaze.
On the Gereon mission just being on the planet that just recenty fell to chaos it has a tangible effect on them.

Chaos IS a mindvirus. A bunch of human feeling the "wrong" things a lot will eventually lead to a demon incursion. That's a reality of the 40K universe.

>>96927289
Reducto ad absurdum. The guy got run through with a stick and died. Clearly Space Marines will lose to Ewoks just like the Empire.

>>96837875 (OP)
Planet killing weapons aren't that uncommon in 40k. The galactic empire was capable of building them, but it massive ineffecient forms they failed to protect. The fact that they got blown up is also a massive testament to ge having huge leadership issues in their military.
Their armour and munitions for standard troops don't seem super different than normal guardsmen kit. But their elite troops resemble scions or maybe SoB in equipment and training.
Rank and file weaponry isn't going to do much against power armour, and the factions that do have highly portable weapons that would handle power armour (inquisitors) are not that far above normal human skill in combat so wouldn't be effective, not to mention numbers disadvantage.
Which, speaking of. Moderately sized planets got seats at the senate in the republic era. The scale of the ge is miniscule.
In ideal scenarios they could carve out an existence within the 40k universe because of the whole war on a million fronts thing. If it is the combined military forces of both empires directly opposed to one another, there is no hope for ge victory.

>>96927268
To be fair, tech in Warcraft has always been pretty schizo. One of the most recent times we saw large formations of human kingdoms conducting warfare was Battle for Azeroth (The War Within with Khaz Algar and Stromgarde to a lesser extend) and there we still had the basic ground infantry using heavy plate armor and sword/ speer and shield. Yet at the same time you still had gigantic war machines like the Azerite Steam Tank worldboss in the Stromgarde Warfront. But yeah, blackpowder guns have always been pretty common among human armies, even more common than regular bows or crossbows. Now how well the standart issue stormwind/ gilnean/ kul tiran firearm would fare when compared to warhammers standard issue handgunners is anyones guess.

>>96844471
40k ships are bigger and stronger than sw ships. 40k ships are designed to withstand fighting other 40k ships, and boarding is done via close range teleportation, pointblank hosing with masses of specialised assault shuttles, or via specially designed assault craft with shields, armour, and defensive weaponry, each of which is the size of a small star destroyer.
Imperial planets typically have surface to orbit batteries that can damage or destroy even Imperial capital ships, and every Imperial vessel of cruiser size or above has the ability to carry planet killing weaponry.
Star wars vessels are quite literally outclassed in every way.
>"but muh buzz drones, muh droids"
Imperial naval fighter craft are larger than star wars fighters, armoured in a manner akin to tanks, and have point defense weaponry. Imperial escorts are physically too well protected to care about buzz droids, assuming any make it through the flak screen.
Sorry kid, star wars cannot compete.

>>96927792
40k warships are vulnerable to hypersonic railguns firing subcaliber darts and titan grade weaponry can core through battleships in a single shot.

>>96844617
>Necron ships (more advanced than any other bessel in this fight, made of living metal and armed with guns that unmake targets at a molecularlevel) jumped in directly above mars and attempted to enter orbit
>all 5 shot down by the time they breached the atmosphere
Good luck starpiggy, Sol is the single most well defended system in 40k. Your fleet of 10000 planetkillers jumps in and lasts 2 minutes, tops, before the peripheral defenses vaporise them.

>>96844899
"Plasma weapon" just tells you what it shoots, not what its power output is. I could build a "plasma gun" out of plastic bottles and a lighter, that doesn't mean it's gonna do shit.
Blasters may be plasma weapons, but their power is absolutely pathetic. Even lasguns hit harder..

>>96848684
Star Trek's technology is all but stated to had been a previous epoch of 40K's history, only they leaned too hard into artificial intelligence and got boned for it while the Federation's robotic fuck-ups "usually" only result in a localized disaster and lead to a period of it being distrustful over any computer it can't throw out of a window.
Also Starfleet would melt under attrition from either because it doesn't know how to handle opponents whose strategy is the hit the Federation in all directions with technically archaic but numerically superior vessels.

>>96890918
>Trying to fight the Federation with [red] lasers and railguns
Lol. LMAO even. Here is the actual problem with facing the Federation with the IoM.

>>96927845
If only they did that during the Horus Heresy, the War of the Beast, or any other event where the system gets clowned on.

>>96927353
More like faggo gay asshurtum.

>>96928099
Well yes it is a bit obvious you are asshurt over your precious plastic men being killed by sticks.