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All Shitposting is Strictly Prohibited Edition

>Most recent bracket system update
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-october-21-2025

>Outline article introducing the bracket system
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta

>Current banlist
https://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned

>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committee
https://mtgcommander.net

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet
https://www.edhrec.com

>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper format
https://pdhhomebase.com/
https://www.pdhrec.com/

>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices
https://www.archidekt.com
https://www.moxfield.com
https://www.tappedout.net

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity
https://managathering.com

>Card search
https://scryfall.com

>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM

>Precons
https://magicprecons.com

>TQ:
How do you deal with despising other people who you share this hobby with?

Wrong previous but who really gives a fuck
>>96836366

>>96839875 (OP)
>WAIT SEN TRIPLETS CAN USE CITY OF BRASS NOW?!!?! SINCE WHEN THE FUCK WHEN?!!
>AAAAAIIIIIEEEEE MY SACRED COMMANDER RULES!!!!
>MY FUARKING COLOR IDENTITY REEEEE!!
lol good one OP

>>96839900
>>> City of Brass is a colorless land anon, the fuck are you talking about?

>TQ
I try not to think about it, and I prefer to vent about it to my friends rather than make it a problem when I'm playing at my LGS. I've tolerated many things, the price you pay for a social game with randoms.

>>96839915
>he didn't play back in 2015
haha newfag

>>96839900
City of Brass is colorless, anon

>>96839932
>>96839922

>>96839934
Anon 2015 was almost 11 years ago.

>>96839940
and hybrid rules will be changed next year, correct

>>96839940
>check
>that's actually true
Fuck you.

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

>>96839944
And that would be a terrible choice but that only makes it sound more plausible to happen.

>>96839875 (OP)
>All Shitposting is Strictly Prohibited Edition
Even the Sen Triplets can't stop me.

How are the Final Fantasy commander decks? Good out of the box? Fun to build and play?

>>96840056
>casting colorless cards with colored mana? impossible!!

>>96840063
all of them are pretty good out of the box and the Terra one is the most fun imo

>>96840056
>3 mana for the shittiest burn damage ever
People really invent super contrived scenarios and the payoff is nothing.

>>96840077
B-BUT IT MIGHT HELP A MONO BLACK DECK KILL SOMETHING!

>>96840067
Even if the hybrid mana rules changed, you could not put Ghostfire in any deck because its identity is red. This would not be the case for Flame Javelin

>>96840077
For colors with no access to fucking "damage" to face, it's actually an insanely good rate.
Blue and green essentially have none, white and black have "lose life".

>>96840087
Might help a monogreen deck remove creatures, dumbass.

>>96840097
colorless is not a color identity you fucking moron

>>96840097
They don't want to understand you anon. They want to pretend like they can't understand a basic concept so they can act smug.

>>96840097
OH NO NOT MONO GREEN REMOVING CREATURES ANYTHING BUT MONO GREEN REMOVING CREATURES

>>96840109
where were you back in the day when color identity meant you could only use lands that could only produce the specific colors of your commander?

>pod like to play slow, rampy decks that snowball with little interaction
my aggro decks kill them even if they 3v1 me, but I'm sick of playing aggro all the time.
what do if I want to try something more interaction heavy? preferably rakdos, those colors are so comfy to play.

>>96840117
Oh wow anon, if you think that changing the rule about mana lands produced should never have happened, then you must really be against changing the rules on hybrid mana, RIGHT?
You wouldn't just use the fact that rules had changed 11 years ago to justify changing them even more now, RIGHT?

>>96840134
>i'm ok with (THING) because it happened a long time ago when i wasn't playing so it didn't trigger my autism
>but i'm not ok with (THING) because it'll happen next year and it'll trigger my autism
kekw

https://moxfield.com/decks/6iZU9YicqkyRrt5kb8-7NQ
r8?

>>96840142
Answer the questions you were given, shill.

>>96840147
admit your own hypocrisy first, retard

>>96839932
City of Brass is all colors because it has all mana symbols in its text, silly billy

Oopsy, did I make a stinky post? I guess someone will have to spank me UwU

>cantrips in mono-g
Problem, chud?

>>96840170
I have a bigger problem giving this to the Izzet storm players.

>>96840170
>red will be a bit stronger now
AAAAAIIIIEEEEEEE

>>96840173
As we all know, izzet is severely lacking in draw and rituals. Manamorphose will be what pushes them over the edge.

>>96840170
Literally one of the most definitively green cards ever printed is a cantrip

>>96840170
cantrips are all over green retard

>>96840159
Point to those mana symbols anon

>>96840184
>of it doesnt completely make the game unplayable it is permissible!
>boiling water in the pot doesn’t matter until the frogs die!
You should work for Hasbro if you don’t already

>>96840097
>For colors with no access to fucking "damage" to face, it's actually an insanely good rate.
>Blue and green essentially have none, white and black have "lose life".

Hmmm yes today I will pay 3 red mana via pain lands(?) or treasures(?) to deal 4 burn damage to someones face in my mono blue deck

Oh Im laffing anon

>>96840213
>Hmmm yes today I will pay 3 red mana via pain lands(?) or treasures(?)
Gilded Lotus.

>>96840117
Where were YOU, newfag? City of Brass was always legal, making mana outside of your color identity would just become colorless instead back then.

>>96840184
Manamorphose is easily one of the best, if not the best, storm cards ever printed and izzet getting it is actually a big deal.

>>96840208
>Color combo with access to the best draw and rituals in the game gets cantrip that's mana-neutral
>Somehow this is the straw that buckbroke anon's back

>>96840208
>FIRE
>modern horizons
>collector's boosters
>secret lair
>UB
>but muh hybrid!!
just play PreEDH already lol

>>96840234
???

>>96840184
RUx storm would love manamorphose, yes.

>>96840241
>still arguing it doesn’t matter until the game is destroyed

>>96840097
>Blue and green essentially have none, white and black have "lose life".

>>96840252
>Color combo with better versions of effect get worse version of it
>LITERALLY destroying the game!

>>96840249
So let 'em have it. This sounds fun. Why should they not have it, really?

>>96840230
>making mana outside of your color identity would just become colorless instead back then.
>it's not anymore and it made sen triplets broken
>legalizing hybrid will make izzet decks broken too!!!
AAAAIIIIEEEE GUYS MY COLOR IDENTITY HAS BEEN RUINED!!!

>>96840243
You were told last thread, youre not going to convince anyone to stop caring about hybrid mana by telling them they should have cared about previous things first.
It’s not a logically coherent stance to say that the game getting worse now is okay because the game got worse previously. If you really thought previous things had made the game worse you would also be opposed to the current thing

>>96840097
>Might help a monogreen deck remove creatures, dumbass.
OH THE HUMANITY

Manamorphose will be what finally makes him good. Before today he basically had no viable ways to win.

>>96840267
being a hypocrite is logically coherent
it just makes you not worth listening to
so stay salty and i'll see you next year to harvest your tears :)

manamorphose? finally i'll be bracket 2 playable!!

I hope the hybrid change happens because I want the game to die.

>>96840278
You’re deflecting from current thing being bad by saying previous things also bad
You don’t even know that the people you’re saying this to didn’t think previous thing bad, you just want to make it a conversation about previous thing to stop conversation about current thing

Shill tactic

>>96840305
>muh shills
yep, just the same anti-ub tards rehasing their same tired lines
and you're still a hypocrite and i'm glad you're not denying that lmao

>>96840311
Youre still a shill and I’m glad you’re not denying that lmao

>>96840117
I couldn’t agree more anon. Once we prevent the hybrid mana change we will also change the lands rule. You’ll agree to this, right? Because your arguments are internally consistent right? You would have no reason to object to what I just proposed if you held genuine beliefs right? Because you’re not just deploying an intentional method of disruption right?

>>96840311
>anon doesn't know what a hypocrite is

>>96840312
>being ok with a change is shilling now
lmao
you're still a retarded hypocrite btw kek

>>96840321
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>96840330
that anon's going full schizo over hybrid
many such cases. sad!

there's nothing wrong with the change to hybrid mana

>>96840234
Why did they print lower case Hs on all these old cards, it triggers my autism

G..guys? I cant tell who is trolling whom anymore. P..please go back to the regular postings..

I've come around on this change because of how completely assblasted this shit general is about it. Imagine getting mad about fucking Beseech the Queen in 2025. I can't take you seriously. You are bad players.

>>96840366
see you next year

>>96840378
>HAHA I, A TOTALLY NON-PARTISAN 3rd PARTY HAVE ACTUALLY DECIDED TO SIDE WITH MYSELF- I MEAN THAT ONE GUY
No one’s buying it

>>96840347
Why this punchable expression?

>>96840384
Yeah yeah you did this thing in the last thread where when your arguments were undermined you just reverted to saying the change is going to happen as if that’s some kind of win for you.

This isn’t an argument about what will happen, it’s an argument about whether it’s good or bad, and you have lost repeatedly

>>96840401
>it’s an argument about whether it’s good or bad
and who decides what's good or bad? (You)?
bwahahaha

>>96840387
Kafkatraps are a rhetoric of the smallminded.

>>96840387
If blanketing every dissenting opinion as one autist makes it easier for you to compartmentalize go ahead I don't care what you believe. But I'll still be laughing over fear mongering that colorless can now spend 6 mana for a burn spell.

>>96840387
>everyone who disagrees with my world view is the same person
Meds. NOW.

>>96840401
>you just reverted to saying the change is going to happen as if that’s some kind of win for you.

> Being an ideologue
Small brain
> Being an empiricist
Gigachad, Galaxy brain

>>96840423
>>96840426
>>96840429
Samefag

>>96839875 (OP)
>>96839900
Sen triplets isn't even good but always causes so much seethe. Every time I sit down against a Sen triplets deck I know iy will be easier to win because everyone always focuses their removal on the Sen player instead of me.

Is this good?

>>96840143
hhhmmmm.......
what did you mean by this ?

>>96840508
dogshit
>sees it's sorcery
is this a misprint?

>>96840366
It's not mere spam It's paid shills wotc is targeting me

>>96840508
It's mediocre
being sorcery speed really gimps it but it's still a good rate if you can reliably cast it for 2 or 3

>used to be the big stompy player
>realize im playing nothing but control now

weird feeling.

>>96840532
Kismet is too slow to be good thoughever

>>96840535
>card that slows the game down is too slow
you think...maybe...other cards could slow the game down to make slow cards playable??

>>96840539
Negative. There are better 4 CMC cards to run. Id buy a charismatic conqueror for every deck before running that

Ya, ya, Im a goodstuff slop enjoyer. Oink oink. Did you pay the 2 for my smothering tithe?

>>96840549
thanks captain obvious

>>96840539
Anon, the problem with Kismet is that by the time you can put it down, it's just not going to do much.

>>96840539
Just play Authority of the Consuls and Blind Obedience like a sane person.

>>96840617
>don't hit lands

post legit sleeper commanders that people vastly underestimate and then get royally fucked to death
pic related, gut is literally impossible to play in bracket 2 without stomping the table

>>96840629
>basically irrelevant by the time Kismet's castable

>>96840640
Kind of surprised you didnt run haunted one with that.
Was Gut actually in bg3? Sounds familiar but I cant place it

>>96840645
Oh nm Im dumb shes the first goblin priestess you kill when you get to the gobbo camp

>>96840640
A smartly built sacrifice/aristocrats deck is always a sleeper hit at casual tables because poor players are not able to identify a single permanent as the main threat and tend to not recognize when the deck is close to winning. I know I fell into that trap many times.

>Go to the official discord to share my thoughts on hybrid mana
>read the thread a bit after sharing my thoughts
Why are the people that are right also so fucking retarded? All of them have reached the right conclusion but every single one of them is fucking terrible at advocating for it.

>>96840640
Right, post yer list then befo' I mark ya

>>96840643
How is an inescapable stasis lock irrelevant?

>>96840539
Anon that effect is literally not worth playing at more than 2 mana anon. Thalia gets a pass because it's a 3/2 first strike creature I guess.

>>96839875 (OP)
>How do you deal with despising other people who you share this hobby with?
Therapy.

>>96840502
>Sen triplets isn't even good but always causes so much seethe. Every time I sit down against a Sen triplets deck I know iy will be easier to win because everyone always focuses their removal on the Sen player instead of me.
why are they bad?

>>96840347
I ended up buying this promo from my LGS
I can't say no to that smug mug

>>96840648
hurp le durr to you as well faggot, you're probably wrong too.

>>96840539
>other cards could slow the game down to make slow cards playable??
Then you're playing stax/control and now everyone rightfully hates you and you're in the wrong.

>>96840647
it's more like a 4man FFA is already complex and aristocrats only make that even more complicated
as for me, i just go over the top, just like in 60 card land

>>96840648
>Why are the people that are right also so fucking retarded? All of them have reached the right conclusion but every single one of them is fucking terrible at advocating for it.
Grrrr and all the people who are pro hybrid color change there have decent arguments too despite being objectively wrong.

>UB and MTG is now failing cause spider-man and all that
>Q3 growth of MTG was even faster than during FF
I am confused.

>>96840648
The right conclusion being that it doesn't matter and it doesn't even violate color identity since hybrid cards were always designed to fit into either color.

>>96840694
>hybrid cards were always designed to fit into either color
Very poorly for a lot of them tbf

Just make a list of accepted and legalized hybrid cards. Exclude the shit that doesn't work.

>>96840710
Bro we're talking about the format where "banned as a commander" and "banned in the 99" is too difficult for people.

>>96840645
haunted just works too well with token and artifact saccing. I won a lot of games by saccing half my table with warren soultrader, then saccing the treasures I got from it, which can easily net 20-30 damage to all opponents, who will all be pretty low by then from the skeletons. also possible with sac outlets + Mahadi or Pitiless Plunderer.
aristocrats tactics also help once your opponents try drop board wipes.
>>96840647
there is something magic about this goblin. my table knows exactly what she does and how dangerous she is, but they always fail to remove her early, and when she has 3-4 skeletons out, she starts to kill everyone off.
>>96840652
enjoy
https://moxfield.com/decks/rOOLTA_u5U6A_YfzitsIKQ

>>96840678
i love stax

>>96840719
And yet nebulous constantly changing feels based brackets are not. Brackets where people here routinely inform others to read articles and watch videos to even understand the shit.

>>96840720
>*iron throne just works too well
I'm tired, two commander nights in a row took a toll
overall 6 wins out of 9 games

>>96840710
Name one that would not work in the clown format that still has The One Ring legal.

>>96840757
>ONE RING IS SOOOO BROKEN
I hate this "modern has an issue so we gotta treat it like commander does." Same shit with Nadu. Stop banning cards in other formats because they were too powerful in an unrelated format with less than half the card pool available.

>>96840774
Okay so therefore 0 hybrid cards are an issue since the bar is above TOR.

Best creatures for reanimating from graveyard in rakdos? I find myself with a decent amount of stuff but nothing to finish the game off.

Abdel + Cultist of the Absolute

>>96840802
worldgorger dragon

>>96840710
>Exclude the shit that doesn't work.
not a single hybrid mana card is remotely as close to as powerful as most of the ~top 50 commonly played cards in EDH. Nevermind the part where the change literally benefits thematic monocolored decks the most who now have access to effects always meant to be playable in monocolor, while 5-color WUBRG slop commanders are literally unchanged, and 4 color and 3 colors likely already had access to 90% of the ones they're wanting to play.

There's no universe where bitching about Double Cleave being playable in Akroma, Angel of Wrath makes sense when Partner is already giving people 4 colors plus permanent card advantage, and cards like Sisay and Kenrith are mono-white permanents with mono-white casting costs who are immune to shit like null elemental blast who nevertheless count as WUBRG and give access to every single card in the game

>>96840791
>>96840812
But if Vivi gets Manamorphose, then it will suddenly be a really good commander.

>>96840720
Harmonic Prodigy. I didn't realize it but that's a very effective card with Gut and Agent Of The Iron Throne. Backgrounds give the commander the ability so it would double the triggers from it too. That's a good call.

This world is not my home, I'm just a-passing through
My treasures are laid up somewhere beyond the blue;
The angels beckon me from heaven's open door,
And I can't feel at home in this world anymore.

>>96840857
uh oh hybrid melty

Thinking about making a Satoru deck
what big things should I cheat out?
some nice big turn 4/5 'fuck you's

>>96839875 (OP)
>TQ
I've never had an issue in person with friends or people at my LGS. Everyone is reasonable and chill, and everyone there seems to dislike UB stuff. I can understand the angle of UB (more money), but for the love of fuck at least stick to fantasy stuff. FF and LOTR generally fit, but how the hell do you manage to pick stuff like Dr. Who? I don't think I've ever seen someone play stuff from Dr. Who either.

>have some shitty experiences lately, nothing too novel
>post about it
>'fake'

I have 4 different game stores nearby, and they are all really packed on 4 different days - each time I play at them with different people, it's unenjoyable salty people, or people are just pissed off. I played a game where my arcane signet was countered, and I was just mana screwed and chilled out on my phone, everyone was just miserable. I went to the my first magiccon this year, and the pick up commander games were so much fun, at all levels. I want to keep playing but maybe I should take a break.

>>96840884
Is this a suicide note? I don't recognize this one after going through the entire wikipedia list of recorded last words last night.

>>96840942
>how the hell do you manage to pick stuff like Dr. Who?
gavin verhey loves dr. who, simple as that

>>96840692
FF Sales continued strong after the initial release.

>my shop is full of trannies
>they oddly complain the least of all the randos there
I've had some fat bearded swordfag looking guy scream about my deck before. But not the trannies.

>>96840964
My store is a bunch of guys who go after work (with a surprising amount of lawyers and accountants), a couple guys in their 50s, a few nerds (either skeletons or blobs, no in between), and maybe one or two girls with neon colored hair.

>>96840690
I very deliberately did not say what side of the argument I'm on. You want to read my post as vagueposting as pro-hybrid, that's on you.

I'm just lamenting that the people on my side are really fucking bad at making their case.

To be clear; the arguments on the other side? Also fucking awful. Absolute fucking nonsense with shifting goalposts. It's just that the people who agree with me are failing to convince me, a guy who already agrees with them.

>>96840720
Run Skullclamp or else

>>96840993
To be clear, I havent been to whatever location you are referring to and I was just shitposting for the lolz.

But yes I did falsely presume

>>96840986
All the bearded blob fuckers here are douches who look and act like Walter from the Big Lebowski.

>>96840942
There are basically three possible factors that go into picking a UB set.

Factor one: is this someone at WotC's favorite thing? This is why we got Dr. Who (Gavin is a huge Dr Who Fan), it's how we got Final Fantasy (a bunch of the designers/developers are big FF Fans), it's why we wound up with Spider-man (Mark Rosewater loves superheroes, especially Marvel.)

Factor two: Money. Can WotC use this to turn on the money printer? I feel like a good chunk of the smaller UB products like the secret lairs are just this. WotC trying to put in a small amount of effort to make a quick buck.

Factor three: Hasbro wants them to. This was more common early on, but it's still there. The Walking Dead (the TV show specifically )has some connections to Hasbro which is why that happened. WotC owns D&D which is why that happened (including to promote BG3). Hasbro owns Transformers so here they are, getting crowbarred into The Brother's War.

>>96840692
People that have an interest in medieval fantasy/Magic the Gathering and having an interest in the magitech Final Fantasy franchise is easy to see. But having Spider-Man, New York, and that kind of stuff doesn't really fit like a Final Fantasy crossover does.

>>96841028
You will simply never convince me it is anything but "IP I like is ok" hypocrisy.

>>96840692
Books are cooked so the shareholders dont panic

The hybrid mana and rhystic study chimpouts are just WotC trying to deflect discussion about how awful Spider-Man was and how awful TMNT will be in conjunction with ever increasing product fatigue.

These cards never interact, right? Because Yenna's ability isn't a spell and copies cease being spells once they leave the stack? I would love to be wrong since it's really cool tech for Yenna, but I don't think I am.

>>96841038
You do know this is a massive crime that would land people in jail, right?

>>96841024
>secret lairs
What's the deal with secret lair anyway? Is it just one giant FOMO machine? The site is perpetually out of stock of everything.

>>96841036
it's not hypocrisy to state the obvious
asian IP > westoid IP

>>96841036
Not him, but I can see the argument.
>mtg, at its core, is fantasy stuff like wizards, elves, dragons, and so on
>FF, save for some exceptions like 7 and the road trip, is fantasy stuff that fits the same theme of wizards and so on

>>96840868
good observation. harmonic prodigy is good either way, you reach 6 skeletons and go lethal before the table has dropped anything significant onto the board
>>96841005
I tried to keep the bullshit down by excluding some of the more ridiculous draw staples. my friends just couldn't beat the deck. it's currently a constant work in progress, this is version 9, and I'm thinking about taking it either more towards a budget build or focus more on treasures and see were it leads me.

>>96840949
>it's unenjoyable salty people
edh is the least competitive format but attracts the most insufferable players because of that. the same way Smash Bros players are infinitely worse to deal with than somebody into like Soul Calibur or Virtua Fighter.
If you want a chill time either play with close personal friends, or a format like Pauper. People who ONLY play EDH are also the single worst people to play magic with ever, because they've never done a 60 card format they take a casual multiplayer format way too seriously, and they think having a "better" EDH deck makes them more skilled.
people used to 60 card magic and actual competitive bo3 formats with a sideboard are way less of a pain, because A: they know that "better" decks and stronger cards aren't inherently more fun, the vast majority of constructed players don't play Vintage or Legacy and instead play Modern or Standard or something like Pauper or Penny Dreadful BECAUSE they're lower power than Legacy/Vintage, and B: because they're used to an actual competitive format they know not to take EDH seriously. Being multiplayer, best of one, and with no sideboards already makes it a joke from a competitive perspective, let alone all the other aspects of the format. It's meant to be a casual beer and pretzels experience and taking it seriously is retarded

>>96841047
Correct.

>>96841087
>my friends just couldn't beat the deck.
Well its a cool list. Its the sort of fast paced wam bam sac burn that I enjoy. My equivalent list would be Zurgo, kind of. My friend group would definitely not be bowled over by that list though, theyd have some counterplay ready.

This world is not my home, I'm just a-passing through
My treasures are laid up somewhere beyond the blue;
The angels beckon me from heaven's open door,
And I can't feel at home in this world anymore.

>thought I ordered a card I needed
>wait weeks
>wonder where it is
>apparently I never ordered it
This happens too much

>>96841073
yes, the whole point is artificial scarcity+FOMO price gouging with direct to consumer sales instead of to retailers. at one point some were print-to-demand but lmao that's long gone now it's get lucky in 10 minutes or enjoy buying it from bots and scalpers. WOTC could literally kill the scalping scene for them overnight by just printing to demand but they'll never do that because it ruins the FOMO

Why is it that Dwarves and Trolls don't get used very much? They're both staples of fantasy.

>>96841119
Lack of support.

>>96841099
>format like Pauper
Bruh Pauper is fun, but its also a very optimized format full of RDW and graveyard strats.

>>96840660
Open hate is never good unless you're winning on the turn imo

>>96841117
>White Angel Cat with Flying and Vigilance

>>96841125
and because it's a constructed 60 card format played bo3 with a sideboard, people know that going in and aren't NEARLY as salty as they lose than the average EDH player is. Also nobody sperging out about being "unfairly targeted" in 1v1s

>>96841047
You are sadly correct.
While "Copy" is a word that gets thrown around and could mean spells in other situations.
You are targeting a permanent, and using a Copy ability.
Twinning specifically looks at "spells" ie "Cards that are cast through some method and are currently on the stack."

This is why I've really hate using the phrase "spell" for years now.

>>96840660
massive analysis paralysis, and they don't offer mana-fixing for the stolen cards
You're just better off playing a captain ngathrod or something

>>96841099
my edh lgs is 100% retired modern players, 100% supportive of brackets, and nobody spergs out

>>96841146
>my edh lgs is 100% retired modern players, 100% supportive of brackets, and nobody spergs out
>retired modern players
the dream pod. people who've only played edh are literally the worst people to play magic with

how does someone get enjoyment out of doing the thing if they have to literally beg to let people do the thing?

>>96841143
>While "Copy" is a word that gets thrown around and could mean spells in other situations.
> copy it
> you may cast the copy
AIIIEEEEE

>>96841118
Eh, I'll just stick to Chinese bootlegs for secret lair, I guess. Frankly I see little reason to ever buy real cards when the bootlegs are identical (except under a loupe) and only cost $2 a piece for any card you want.

>>96841164
"bro please don't counterspell my combo" is the magic equivalent of pity sex

>already have 6 playmats
>just ordered 2 more
>only one of them is custom the rest are card arts

this is my guilty pleasure

>>96841199
Best place for custom mats?

>>96840077
One guy complained decks can now run offcolor lorwyn anthems, as if thats a good use

Playmats are a creation of reddit

>>96840119
Scorpion God or Tor Wuaki the younger

>>96841128
>Angel
That is clearly a God.

>>96841210
idk friend got it for me

>>96841217
I've seen some really nasty tables. Having a mat helps a ton.

>>96841217
xd

>>96841119
Dwarves were supplanted by goblins as a red tribe and trolls were associated with shroud and regenerate for a long time making it hard for them to be a proper tribe.

>>96841217
Is reddit in the room with us right now?

What would you think of me if I busted this out?
Simple?
Clean?
Unimaginative?
Mill?

As a standard player I like the hybrid rule change since it feels WOTC had been trying to make hybrid both standard and commander playable but with the new rule change they will now only focus on being standard playable.

If creatures enter with +1/+1 counters from some effect, do triggers that care about power/toughness see those counters or do they only see base P/T?

>>96841322
see the counters, though there are edge cases where a creature enters and then has counters put on it as part of one action. but generally a feral hydra being cast for x=4 will enter and give you a card draw from garruk's uprising.

>>96841304
>still believing wotc can balance multiple formats, let alone one
eldrazi winter will always be my #1 proof that wotc doesn't look at their own cards

>>96841113
>fast paced wam bam sac burn
every table should have at least one so nobody can just durdle around in a corner trying to build a locked down board state or grow out of control
>My friend group would definitely not be bowled over by that list
I wish mine were smarter. zero threat assessment
>you attacked me to get my initiative? I will cast removal on your creature then counterattack you. oh whoops, the selesnya guy just put 16 more counters on his 20/20 angel and I have no blockers guess I'm dead lol

>didn't want my deck to be bracket 3 but want jin gitaxis and vorniclex
>suddenly removed off GC
Thanks, Gavin

>>96841334
My specific combination is Tribute of the World Tree (Whenever a creature etbs, draw a card if its power is 3 or more) and Arwen, Weaver of Hope (Creatures enter with additional +1/+1 counters based on Arwen's toughness)

>>96841337
That's such an old card grandpa. Pick a more modern example from the last decade at least.

>>96841346
godspeed, pubstompchad

>>96841262
Instead of copying D&D's regeneration, Trolls should have been the anti-Nymph, dark and violent reflections of fey. With Nymphs you have several types. Naiads are freshwater. Dryads are forests. Oreads are mountains and grottoes. Oceanids are the ocean. You could do the same with trolls. Bog Troll, Cave Troll, etc.

But what would be their 'thing' if not regeneration? I see a trolls presence being a blight to the land instead of a loving warden, like nymphs.

>>96841348
youll get the card draw

>>96841355
That's so hot. Thank you anon.

>>96841284
looks fine for bracket 1

>>96841337
That shit is my all time favorite land in my eldrazi deck.

>>96841218
god damn that's some sexy art
he sounds fun, but I wonder how hard it would be to set him up. he effectively needs to survive a turn before you can start giving him deathtouch and kill shit. will need a lot of protection I guess.
scorpion god sounds a lot easier to build.

>>96840063
Y'shtola is a fucking mess but she has potential to be ridiculously busted with a cheap rebuild. Even a meme build like all 3+ manarocks is strong with her.

>>96841349
Lurrus

>>96840401
I think it's a good thing.

>>96840063
They're all fine. Y'shtola wants to be rebuilt more than the other three, but they're all playable out of the box

>>96841117
>ordering cards for edh
Yall niggas dont even draft?

>>96841479
I don't draft because I'm not spending 25-40 dollars a week.

>>96841439
>>96841466
What the fuck were they thinking with her precon? All she really needs is a way to spam mana rocks and draw more cards to spam more mana rocks.

>>96841479
>Yall niggas dont even draft?
what, and be called a pig by partaking in mtg's biggest money making format?

I wonder how cheap this will get. Keeps going down. Might snatch it up if it gets low enough.

>>96841479
i played draft til the only draft events became UB.

>>96841479
No, I buy singles because I have enough draft chaff.

>>96841512
you should insist amazing spider man should sell for 12 cents because it's printed on the card

>>96841537
kek

>>96841512
feels like a miss for spiderman to not be red and blue. with him being a super-genius scientist he fits izzet colors, and early spiderman was also famously hot headed and emotional, the whole reason uncle ben died was because he initially disregarded the whole WITH GREAT POWER COMES GREAT RESPONSIBILITY deal and he's driven by guilty to prevent that from happening to anyone else.

>>96841547
Red does not fit Peter Parker at all. And white fits him very well.

>>96841483
Lolwut?

>>96841547
Red does suit him pretty well. Fundamentally, he decided to become a hero for very emotional personal reasons. It also explains why it's so easy for him to slip into Black when the Symbiote is on him.

>>96841479
Anon this is commander, edh is long dead as is any semblance of throwing decks together by any other means than buying decks wholesale off of tcg player

>>96841547
Yes but wotc only knows how to design 1 izzet card, and have just been printing different versions of it over and over for the last decade

>>96841591
Not true
They also printed ironman which is a self contained value engine :^)

>>96841584
EDH died when brackets were made.

>>96841599
Brackets aren't real. Just call your deck a seven. Everyone will get it.

>>96841570
>Red does not fit Peter Parker at all
read some actual spidey comics and not just raimi movies and mcu slop

>>96841599
Newfag lmao

>>96841599
edh died in 2011 when "commander" became an official wotc format and it stopped being Elder Dragon Highlander

>>96841036
FF1 is more mtg than mtg is now post Aetherdrift

>>96841648
SO true

what would commander be like without commander damage?

>>96841750
voltron (not quite) dead

>>96841750
Lower power tables would have a lifegain problem

>>96839922
City of Brass could always be run in any deck, including Sen Triplets. WTF you talking about?

>>96840373
Your mom should have drowned you

>>96841783
Yes but it couldnt tap for green or red before the change
Dumbass
A shit change in my opinion but whatever

>>96841750
Life gain and combo decks reign supreme

>win on turn 9 with neriv + bulk up + chandras ignition
>45 minute game
>’wow what was that a turn 5 win?’
-azorious boardwiper
>literally tapped 9 lands to do the win
>pulls out his urza deck
>just leave

Why are people so fucking stupid. I was doing draft as well earlier this week

>>96841750
he'd be a GC

>>96841839
I had a goad player bitch and moan when I did nothing but remove his commander after he cursed/goaded attacks on me, I was 15, everyone was 40+

>cEDH Thoracle fag tries to thoracle combo
>I cast Everybody lives
>It becomes Everybody Laughs as the table laughs at the Thoracle fag for getting fucked
>me when

>>96841800
Yeah, and they should change it back to work that way.
Is that what you've been acting like nobody would agree with you on this entire time?

>>96841893
Just cause it has Thoracle doesn't mean its cEDH anon

>>96841921
No anon, it was a cEDH Thoracle deck. The guy would only play cEDH and would play them against our less strong decks. This wasn't a rando pod.

He just sucked ass at playing his decks. Because he just netdecked any cEDH deck he wanted and proxied it.

>>96841929
That is lame then.

>>96841679
>FF1's Destined cycle has to share cards with the worst Zendikar set and DnD slop, on top of the party mechanic being shit to begin with
Feels bad man.

Feel so alone lads

>>96841950
start going to your lgs and yelling at other players until you feel something

>>96841950
Time for a Grunn deck fren

This is gonna be awesome in my GW human tribal deck.

>>96842069
I mean sure, but it's not like giving things double-strike is hard in white to begin with
nobody's gonna look at you funny for playing this, this could genuinely just be a regular white card and nobody would complain, hell it would probably have generic cost, it wouldn't just be 4W

What if they mess up the ruling and accidentally or hell even intentionally have phyrexian mana count as generic mana

>>96842069
>four white
meh. And double strike is certainly a white thing so it isn't out of color.

>>96842117
It's perfectly at home in either monowhite or monored.

>>96842069
These massive color pip hybrid cards have my noggin joggin for a mono color devotion deck. Seriously, every mono color must be getting 4+ new creatures with a shit load of colored pips. My greedy mono black hands are reaching for the Gary just imagining some of the new tools.

>>96842166
which is honestly like 95% of the hybrid mana cards out there
they're not going to break the game, most are barely usable as is

>>96839875 (OP)
>TQ
i just dont play edh with randoms anymore its playgroup or bust for me
never really had that problem with other formats though

>>96842171
It's not 95, but it's probably the majority at this point. Earlier hybrid mana costs were a bit inconsistent with treating it as "Something that could be mono X or Mono Y" but they made a more conscious decision to treat them like that at some point. That isn't to say they're ALL like that now, just that that that's the intention.
And unironically the reason why a lot of hybrid cards are kinda unusable right now, at least in EDH, is because they currently have "Both" instead of "Either" as color identities and often times you can find a multicolored card that does what a hybrid card does, but better in the same colors.

I want to make a silver border deck, but am unsure what to pick. Thinking pic rel. What silver border commanders/cards do you think would be fun?

>>96841117
At least it didn't get cancelled and refunded.

Finally got around to building Thantis thanks to Spider-Man. Actually pretty upset that there aren't more spiders in the set that are good for her.

>>96841262
>Dwarves were supplanted by goblins as a red tribe
That's weird but I think you're right. I would think there would be more exploration they could do with dwarves that wouldn't be stepping on the toes of goblins. I wouldn't considering dwarfs swarming the board the way goblins do for instance. Or sacrificing each other easily and constantly. Feels like there should be some room for the two to exist.

>>96841547
There's enough material to justify him being a lot of colors at some point or other. That the decided he could only be bant and the colors that make it up separately was dumb and limited them.

>>96842286
Have you had time to play her yet? Creatures like this just scream everyone at the table focuses you down so I can't help but wonder how that plays out in person.

>>96842305
Not yet, I'm still in the goldfishing phase to refine the deck to the point where it feels like the right power level. I think my usual playgroup will like her, usually anything that forces everyone to play differently than they normally do is seen as refreshing. I'm also trying to include some stuff that can be spun as group hug-ish to politic away the violence, as well as plenty of goad and fogs in case that doesn't work. Worst comes to worst I'll throw in a Glacial Chasm recursion package with some tutors to assemble it.

>>96842206
It's actually 93-96% depending on how strict we're being.

>>96842348
Shit, you actually crunched the numbers?
Fair enough.

>>96842051
OOH OOH AHH AHH

>>96841631
>read some actual spidey comics
ok Crim, take it easy.

>>96842289
I think it could work, but defense isn't really the red playstyle. I think it could go Goblins are offensive, Dwarves are defensive. Goblins destroy, Dwarves create. Goblins are warriors, shamans, rogues. Dwarves are warriors, artificers, and soldiers. Goblins are about self-destruction if it also harms the enemy, Dwarves are careful and conservative with how they approach problems. Dwarves wouldn't have cards like Goblin Miners, where they kill themselves to destroy a wall, Dwarves are brave but they don't self-harm.

The color is what makes dwarves weird to me. Some dwarfs we do have are white/red, I think that fits them better than just being red. They don't fit the 'vibe' of red, outside of living in mountains. They're white through and through. Law, order, community.

>>96842491
Red DOES have some of those aspects, namely that's less a color of pure destruction (That's more black's thing) and more a color of change. THE color of change in fact. And change can be both creative or destructive in nature.

Went out today today and bought 5 beseech the queens for about 5-6 dollars out of a bulk bin just in case it turns into the new hot tutor that can go in literally anything. It's already jumped on tcg and climbing steadily

Any commander recommendations to build? Been pretty burned out of the game lately. Idk if I just haven't found "my commander" or if the game is dying.

>>96842642
I'm building her currently, i think she's very cool and is kinda underrated. Would recommend.

>>96842642
fuck it, tokenspam

>>96842642
What do you like to play? What play style do you usually gravitate towards? I've been on a mono color focus this year and have been experimenting with a few myself. Been on red right now and am enjoying Ivora lately. She's about as direct as one could ask and maintains good consistency because her gimmick involves running all the draw discard you can fit and running people over with her.

>>96842607
>t.