Thread 96855126

Do you prefer "cottagecore" or "mudcore" aesthetics for your medieval fantasy countryside?

For me, I would go for what would be most appropriate for the region relative to regional economical output. "Cottagecore" goes well with economic stability and regional security, whereas "mudcore" can represent areas of less economical development, even under circumstances where a "mudcore" setting displays signs of comparable security to a "cottagecore" setting.

>>96855126 (OP)
Do you prefer X or Y for your Z?
Is X or Y better?
Is X overrated?

>>96855296
I prefer cottagecore meself.

>>96855126 (OP)
I hate "-core". If you're putting then signs of poverty or wealth set the scene for how the people in the area are going to live. Nicer areas that are well-organized with honorable lords and good resources should be nice to live in, with abundant food and resources. Buildings should be in decent repair.

Areas that are impoverished should be in clear disrepair. I think of James Agee's "Let Us Now Praise Famous Men" and the description of Southern White Sharecropper homes. Barely put together, ground visible through the floorboards, but enough dignity to do their best on reassembling or improving things. Outside of demonically tyrannical feudal lords or wild orc invasions, peasants should be expected to do the best they can to improve their lot in life by completing odd jobs for each other.

A reason why you should use both: If your PCs are used to the region they're in being well-kempt and wealthy, and they come to a destitute town, it should be abundantly clear this is weird, and they should be encouraged to find out why. You can make this even more clear by using things like ration counts and resource limitations to make their "beacon of light" be unwilling to give up food without the PCs doing something. For example, maybe they can refill the PC's water because there are orcs on a camp near the river. Clearing the river benefits both the PCs and the villagers, who are both desperately thirsty.

>>96855309
So if orcs or a local ogre are threatening the village, make the village a little more depressing?

Wowee
Four concurrent puckster threads plus the pucklfuck general. You and your fanclub will outperform the warhammer spam, at this pace.

For some reason mudcore has become extremley popular in modern fantasy what with the Witcher and GOT.

>>96856522
Also now all medieval movies are mudcore. I wish when the middle ages was bright and colorful like A Knight's Tale.

>>96855126 (OP)
I prefer a permanent ban for spammers from reddit, puckee.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/1m5p93c/artcomm_edmund_cruft_medieval_fantasy_dd_peasant/
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/image/s-9odapy5EaryUxR4j2RRw/>>96855649
He has a jannie protecting him and a mod backing that tranny up. You can spam and samefag your elephant talk threads as much as you want if you're butt buddies with the staff.

>>96855126 (OP)
Depends on the setting and vibe. Are we playing Warhammer fantasy or The Witcher? Mudcore it is. Are we playing Forgotten Realms in Cormyr? Cottagecore.

>>96856522
>>96856536
fits the zeitgeist of people having no hope for the future and are desillusioned with the present in real life. Entertainment reflects that, this time in a fictional past.

>>96855126 (OP)
>ai slop
Both "cottagecore" and "mudcore" aesthetics offer unique charms for a medieval fantasy countryside!

**Cottagecore** evokes a romanticized vision of rural life, with cozy cottages, wildflower gardens, and a focus on simplicity and nature. It emphasizes warmth, nostalgia, and a connection to traditional crafts and homesteading.

On the other hand, **mudcore** embraces a grittier, more earthy aesthetic, highlighting the raw and untamed aspects of nature. It often features darker, more muted colors, and a sense of realism that reflects the struggles and beauty of rural life.

If I had to choose, I might lean towards **cottagecore** for its whimsical and idyllic qualities, but **mudcore** has its own appeal with its authenticity and connection to the earth. Which one resonates more with you?

>>96855126 (OP)
I like folkish aestethics, full of culture and whismical trve euro feeling.
Mudcore is too american to me, and cottagcore is just gay.

>>96855649
Looks like there's some mod protecting this useless cunt as well. All criticisms pointing out his constant shitposting are getting deleted.

>>96857038
Nah, mods give more leniency to all all trolls and resident autists. They're not trying to protect pucklfuck, but they're purposefully letting this site go to shit.

>>96855126 (OP)
A mixture. Muttagecore

>>96855126 (OP)
>Mudcore inside cities
>Cottage core for when outside of cities
I mean in my immagination usually is like this when I run a campaign, I always immagine like a dirty castle but like the town outside is more cottage core.
Or a mix of it

>>96855126 (OP)
A greasy pepperoni fart in your dysgenic redditor's face, fucky puckee.

>>96857058
>they're purposefully letting this site go to shit.
Which explains why so many US government email adresses were found in the leaked mod info.

>>96855126 (OP)
Witchcore, not exactly cottagecore, make it more goth and dark, but not dirty in the mud way - the village is under protection of evil witch, that is nice to the village, as long as they follow the (sometime sadistic) rules and are her Sims playground.

>>96855126 (OP)
Did you ever played a single session of any given TTRPG or just shitpost about them?

>>96856522
Hollywood was doing that stuff all the way from the very late 80s.
You can thank Robin Hood, the Brtibong series from the 80s. It's where it all started and everyone was just copying it. It peaked ironically with different Robin Hood production, the god-awful 2010 one, which went out of its way to cover in mud everything.

>>96856536
This movie was literally the only exception and that was used as a fucking meta joke

>>96855126 (OP)
Do you prefer X or Y for your Z?
Is X or Y better?
Is X overrated?
X is an overlooked Y for Z.
Why do X's do Y?

More a skeletons playing pianos vibe.
Pointy roof core

>>96855126 (OP)
Cottagecore for the friendly lands the PC is supposed to protect, mudcore for foreign lands with the twist the inhabitants are decent people who act like the cottagefolk but have been dealt a bad hand they're trying to make the most of.

>>96866023
This is a great way to do it!

>>96857014
Such a sad state if affairs. I miss comfy medieval.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BXNKyoW_Ow
How does Autumn feel for the average peasant in your world? Time for harvest? Any special festivals?

>>96864668
Yeah that's usually how conversation works you autistic dork

>>96855126 (OP)
>>96855309
>>96864246
>>96866023
A virtuous king rules over a prosperous, strong, healthy, and beautiful land. A king who’s soul and character are corrupt, weak, or sickly will rule over a land that reflects his character.

As above, so below, doesnt just apply to heaven and earth, but rather also the social strata on earth, and the metaphysical relationships between people and the land they are responsible for/entrusted with.

>>96855130
>>96855126 (OP)
I guess cottage-core since peasants are allowed to wear colors other than brown.

>>96855296
Seething backseat janny lmao
Have you considered going back? Surely you have a grooming discord that needs attention.

>>96873763
Yep. I find mudcore depressing

>>96855126 (OP)
Medieval mythology of kingly virtue leading to prosperity is a prototype of Adam Smith's Invisible hand theory.
A virtuous king operates a low tax, high trust, stable system with traditional laws enforced justly and property rights are respected.
Elsewhere an evil king/lord sends his Boris Yeltsin stand in on a diplomatic trip through his rivals kingdom, only to visit an out of the way market and second guess his life with how well stocked this obscure villages markets are.

>>96875675
Lmao the Soviet Union is 100% modern mudcore.

Cottagepunk > waterpunk >mudpunk > dirtpunk > brickpunk > strawpunk

>>96875963
fuck you I like brickpunk

THATCH ROOFED COTTAGEEEEEEES!
THATCH ROOFED COTTAAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!

>>96855309
I genuinely don't want to shit stir, but: India
There are some places where people are poor and they just throw garbage everywhere, let things fall into disrepair, shit in the open and leave it for someone else to step on.
I suppose the sharecroppers in your example would have an expectation of social or economic mobility due to either being recently made poor or only a couple generations removed from aspirational immigrants. But that seems a little atypical, because most poor people in wealthy societies and poor ones seem to just wallow in it. They have no expectation of things improving so don't bother, or at least believe their efforts won't improve anything.

>>96876157
Another popular example would be Johannesburg, the way it was depicted in District 9 or Chappie (or that one version of Judge Dredd) was only slight exaggeration, even in reality the differences between nice parts and bad parts are pretty extreme.

>>96876157
>>96876209
A lot of the thirdworld is mudcore

>>96855126 (OP)
I find it endlessly funny that puckee actually went and got a revised version of this picture done after he posted the original here (pic related) and got dunked on for having perfect rolled-up hay bales in his pseudo-medieval shit.

>>96878703
Proof:
>https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/95946460

>>96855126 (OP)
Traditional games?

>>96865921
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4p9WKnDQzQ
Tis Halloween

>>96878774
There are no games or mechanics discussed in puckee threads, they're peak no games

>>96878703
Kek, what a faggot!

>>96876157
india has historically only been saved from being an anomaly due to it's large population making it sizable enough to make the average. The idea that physical things matter and can be improved for the lower classes was non existant.
Afghans led by Tamurlanes descendants and portuguese from the south would invade at one point and be disgusted by the scale of poverty of the peasant class compared to the nobility, despite that still being the case in their society.
A british company conquered india, not with entirely british troops at first, but by hiring low caste peasants enmass to their armies. That's enough proof that a ruler can tolerate mudcore peasantry when in an ecosystem of mudcore, but the second someone with their shit together comes into the system they can dominate.

>>96879124
Are we going to stand here in front of God and Everyone and say colonial era Britain wasn't mudcore?

>>96879373
The Brits at least contrasted their soot-covered workforce with plaster-white bread and gilded pineapples. There's a reason Steampunk is largely considered an optimistic setting in spite of the societal upheaval it represents.

>>96855126 (OP)
I prefer corepunk

>>96880592
Portal?

>>96855126 (OP)
Cottage if it's more western Europe, mud if it's more eastern. French/German border is generally where I draw the line.

>>96883881
Medieval France definitely seems cottagecore if we’re going by portrayal in media of the French countryside

>>96884265
You're so horribly wrong it's not even funny.

>>96884586
If I recall, human rights weren't introduced for the French peasantry until 1789, and that was only after the seizing of the Bastille and the formation of the new National Assembly in defiance of royal command.

Is Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion cottagecore?

>>96878703
lmfao what a piece of shit retard

>>96855309
shota feet erotic

>>96885144
thats what you take from that?

>>96884586
IDK

>>96856536
Wasn't that movie kind of unusual in so many ways, one of which precisely was that it was so noblebright all the way into comedy territory? Besides, it's fitting that current media is so grim, because Heath is gone now.

>>96856522
>Witcher and GOT
It was much earlier than that. Much much earlier.

>>96879373
Are we going to pretend Europe didn't improve while India remained a squalid shithole - arguably got worse as it stopped being a source of intellectual thought that the Arabs and Turks would steal credit for?

>>96878635
But only some parts have well-off regions that can contrast with the mud.

>>96893690
wealth inequality you mean?

>>96894331
Yeah, specifically the cases where the two extremes are in sharp contrast. Every society has some degree of wealth inequality, but how far apart the extremes are and how apparet it is at a glance will vary.

>>96894410
Poor countries have it at a higher rate.