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>Thread Question
Has your character ever been supported by someone, or something, unexpected?

>>96858800 (OP)
Is Pentex behind the AIslop bubble?

>>96858844
Corporate collab between Pentex and Iteration X that X didn't wanna be apart of.
Pentex is behind the wave of horrible minimalism in modern logos, however

>>96858800 (OP)
Does the Chantry count? Otherwise no. The ST quickly realize I was a bit too self motivated & would be fine without needing to call in the calvary. The other players got a few NPCs here & there to be friends with & help them out in a pinch. Meanwhile my Tremere was creating webs of blackmail & bloodbonds the hard way. Toreador get all the luck

>>96858844
>>96858891
Pentax is trying to make totems sigils to create spirits for corporations. That way, if they can create corporate spirits they can feed it to grow the company. Imagine a merger but spiritually represented by a corporation spirit devouring a lesser business spirit.

AI is just the Technocracy killing more supernatural belief by making everything fake & gay

Are his social stats high or low?

>>96858984
Too high to be represented on a character sheet.

>>96858984
Too low to be represented on a character sheet.

>>96858984
They're middling but they're all social stats from other games

>>96858984
He turns failure into success and success into failure.

>>96858984

He has entropy 10 and Detective Kim is his avatar

>>96858984
He has high stats but the character sheet isnt from the game he's playing

>>96858922
Did you expect their help? Sounds like your Tremere did their clan proud, which I'd consider better than some lucky social roll the Rose pulled off.

>>96858984
This man is an enigma of terrible stats great rolls, except for mental stats
>>96859048
He's him when he's on drugs

>>96858800 (OP)
Any weaver corp I can support to make mom proud?

>>96859048
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YzHTt2Pns4&t=393s

>>96858984
This man can do the most retarded shit and people go with it, of course his socials are high

>>96859215
Not really. Like I said I did fine & yes Clan Tremere was benefited greatly, i was ever the Company Man. I just think I was a bit too devious than my ST was expecting, which was okay, but I kinda felt sad he didnt give me a buddy or two like everyone else.

Does it make sense for a Son of Aether to have a sort of psychic bent? Like he believes the soul is the key & while humans use tools, ultimately those tools can be discarded as we approach godhood & channel the aether by will alone? I like the SoA but I dobt quite embrace the steam punk vibe & want to lean more into crystal harmonic psychic BS. Death rays are still cool though

>>96859586
He's simply an intellectual with good rolls

>>96859642
Perfectly reasonable for an Etherite to be into any weird theories. Maybe just find a way to shove Luminous Ether into your ideas.

>>96859642
Reasonable enough. You could go all the way and slip actual psionic power with the character. Weak or untrained if you feel like it but actual concrete evidence that it's there giving weight to their beliefs.
>>96859464
Could probably split Pentex in half and have all the science+tech companies fall under Mom's control. The collusion may just be entirely human and syndicate base with the Wyrm and Weaver not looking closely.

>>96859607
>but I kinda felt sad he didnt give me a buddy or two like everyone else.
Next time, use that V20 Chantry builder system and ask your ST to get at least one Tremerebro/Gargoyleslave.

So after a year of trying to convince my GM and group to give WoD another try, I finally managed to get everyone excited about giving Changing Breeds (20th Anniversary) a try; but now we've already hit a problem.
One of the players wants to play a suchid Mokole who's at least 10 years past her first change; but another player is insisting that, even after a decade, she'd still be struggling to speak or use toilet paper properly. Can anyone confirm or refute this?

>>96860006
Lupus wolves struggle to learn human language and how to interact with human society, but you can overcome such things with merits at character gen. It really depends on where our lizard grew up. I'd say that it's not a major concern, so long as the ST picks which merits the player needs to buy at character gen.

>>96859948
>use that V20 Chantry builder system
Awa? Is this only for vampires or mages as well? I was looking for a mage chantry builder.

>>96860006
That player is probably just trying to inject his gross fetishes. Even if that is normal for Mokole, player characters are free to be as exceptional as the storyteller allows.

>>96860099
There's a small system in lore of the clans, but I don't think it would work well with ascension.

>>96860099
Stop perving on my girlfriend and me, you bastard.

>>96860006
What type of reptile are they using? Also the naysayer player sounds odd to bring it up as a point of contention. You guys are all playing young adults right? Who cares, she can pass in society under some scrutiny.

>>96860006
This is reminiscent of the time our residential That Guy made a shapeshifter in shadowrun and despite knowing ancient japanese history, couldnt fathom concepts like public urination and indecent exposure. "Lol but im a fox bro, you guys gotta teach me to be human".

>>96860152
This is a mage world, you're just an npc

Do entropy's third and fourth dot effects, affect predictable pattern and affect life, have any use if you don't have the associated pattern sphere? How can they be used without those spheres?

>>96859464
Any Technocracy company

At our table we're (almost) all GMs at various points of time and/or within the group or with other people.

What do you think about a monthly or so ST rotation of splats, all in a loose-ish continuity (aka we adapt our ST time to what has happened while we were players during other rotations but we don't prepare stuff together beforehand and each ST is independent).

I think we can manage Changeling (Lost, tho, not Dreaming even if the rest would be oWod), Werewolf, Vampire, Hunter and Mage, maybe with a ST douple-upping one because there's one system more than there are STs.

>>96860152
Hey, I'm free to do whatever orbination I want in the privacy of my own home! I didn't slave at SpaceX to get 5 points in Correspondence for nothing, buddy!

>>96860211
Which Hunter would you be running? Sounds like a neat idea though.

I know its been two threads but I can't get over how weird it is that the sabbat uses an ecclesiarchal hierarchy given their origin. It makes less than no sense. It's clearly because these things were thought up independently of one another.

>>96860202

The fourth dot specifically notes that it ISN'T affecting their life pattern, it's a teehee entropy thing. Entropy does not directly touch their life pattern it's affecting entropy to just affect their life. Don't get mad at me, get mad at the rules.

entropy users can cause heart attacks by looking at people without the life sphere, though without life they can't make the bad luck follow the person.

>>96860099
Go back to your general slop-san

>>96860236
>t. Seething changeling

>>96860229
So you only need the pattern sphere to "tie" an effect to your target?

>>96860223
Reckoning.

Honestly tho I have no idea of the evolution of the systems (I'm newish to WoD and I have no clue about what changes between first editions, second editions, nWoDs, 5s, 20s, and whatnot), I'm limiting my own scope to CtL because I want to ST for a bunch of broken abuse victims who think that for better and for good they are still stuck in a fairytale.

>>96860256

Basically, yes. You can affect people/objects directly with entropy alone, but you need <appropriate sphere 3> to stick it to them so it follows them around without you present.

With Entropy 3, you can jam the gun of the thug trying to mug you, but his gun starts working when he runs away.

With Entropy 3/Matter 3, that gun will jam for everyone for a long time

With Entropy 3/Life 3, every gun that thug picks up will jam

etc

>>96860284
Okay thanks this really cleared things up for me

>>96857843
>>96857737
The impression I always got is that a writer fell for the "there's no such thing as a clever Brujah they are all just angry retards" meme and wrote the True Brujah as a superior, improved Brujah without realising that the Idealists already exist.

This is a big issue with White Wolf, a lot of the Second Edition and especially Revised writers seemed to fall for the complaints that the players made about topics that they were not the original writers of, and leaped to fix them.

>>96860225
If they had developed the spiritual side more than just alternatives to humanity it'd at least make more sense. What with the Tzimisce and Lasombra presence it'd probably just be fitting to change the ecclesiarch trappings to aristocratic ones. Ducti and Prisci could be knights. Bishops swap to Counts while archbishops are Marquess, or Margrave. Cardinals are dukes and the regent is archduke

Thank you all for the quick replies.

>>96860089
>overcome such things with merits at character gen
Oh, I didn't know that. Do you remember what any of them are called?

>>96860104
>Even if that is normal for Mokole, player characters are free to be as exceptional as the storyteller allows.
The storyteller is totally cool with it; he's always been of the opinion that WoD is a good setting for people who want to be snowflakes.

>>96860166
>What type of reptile are they using?
Monitor lizard.
>Also the naysayer player sounds odd to bring it up as a point of contention.
He has very firm ideas regarding lore and 'how things should be'.
You guys are all playing young adults right?
She is; like I said, about a decade past her first change. I probably will be also; not sure about the rest.
>Who cares, she can pass in society under some scrutiny.
Yea, our ST said she's probably be a little immature for her age; but she tends to play kinda juvenile characters anyway.

>>96860190
Ugh; I don't like it when players weirdly hobble their characters in order to get more attention from the other characters.

>>96860307
Temporis is fucking cool though. Can't be a vampire in the modern day without ZA WARUDO.

What generation is the phyre supposed to be?

>>96860268
Fair enough though if you're looking to be the CtL ST, I'd like to suggest looking at Hunter the Vigil. The bigger conspiracies and compacts could help be connectors between the splats your group jumps between.

>>96860335
Merits and traits I would recommend to overcome Animal-Breed starting weaknesses
>Common Sense
>Language (You can have multiple of this merit)
>A good number of dots in the Mentor background to represent a Homid mentor who can show you the ropes.

And you're good to go. Could be as few as 3 freebie points.

>>96860357
Six to nine. Seven could be fitting if someone's really bent on matching game abilities to ttrpg equivalents.

>>96860401
>6 to 9
Hehehehehe

>>96860357
6th-7th, according to the wiki

>>96860314
It would make more sense to just have a modified camarilla hierarchy in terms of it being borrowed aristocratic titles, it would also be very ironic which is fitting.
It would also be easier to bridge the gap since you can just gloss over the fact that it was all the lasombra and tzimisce who did not hold rank and territory who joined the sabbat by simply stating that they were rebelling to get that stuff themselves not out of any actual principles.

>>96860390
NTA but wouldn't 10 years be enough anyway for a creature who already has adequate brain development to actually learn to be human enough without all of that? Good suggestion otherwise
More afraid that anon's friend is just trying to find an excuse to shove his fetishes or some weird shit he's particularly fascinating in into the table but at some point I suppose that's just W:tA

>>96859464
Shinzui Industries, which is basically just Sony but led by werewolves enthralled by the Weaver. Almost as powerful as Pentex, but there's basically no information about them because White Wolf wrote ten times more about the Wyrm than the Weaver (and ten times more about the Weaver than the Wyld.)
Developmental Neogenetics Amalgamated, a pharmaceutical company with slight awareness of the Garou who are trying their best to understand the condition and devise a method of curing it.

>>96860709
>Shinzui Industries, which is basically just Sony but led by werewolves enthralled by the Weaver
I mean, I guess I can get behind that but mom should replace them with her drones or us, much nice to work with.

>>96860493
nice

>>96860677
It's just to cover their bases. It's all down to the ST in the end. But you're right. It's important to note that the language merit is specifically for learned languages in excess of your default ones. Now, in W20 the book recommends you handwave certain things, but if the ST wants you to provide an actual on-paper reason your lizard can speak English and know what a computer is, it's right there for you. It would be enough to shut up that other player, certainly.

You can think of merits brought with freebie points as representative of the character's experiences between their first change and rite of passage? That's a good way to think about it.

>>96860719
There's a good chance that the werewolves are drones.

Also, what's with the recent upswing in HFY posters? Seems like the majority of posters here these days shits on anything that isn't affiliated with the Technocracy, the Weaver or hunters.

>>96860743
Nta, I just find it bullshit because by the time of your initiation you will have been taught the ways of the human societies you need to blend in with. Does this player think that nothing happens before the Rite? That they just throw out completely fresh cubs into the world to go rend the veil?

>>96860765
>Also, what's with the recent upswing in HFY posters? Seems like the majority of posters here these days shits on anything that isn't affiliated with the Technocracy, the Weaver or hunters.
Hunter the parenting maybe? Hell, I'm not even sure if I agree with you on this one. Last couple of threads were filled with shitposts made in response to people actually talking about things yes I work for Pentex, how could you tell?. I can't say I mind some were funny.

>>96860765
> Seems like the majority of posters here these days shits on anything that isn't affiliated with the Technocracy, the Weaver or hunters.
I'm just saying, I'd prefer to work with someone who isn't a human abuser (woofs) and because I'd make mom more proud then they ever could.

my group has been doing a long dark ages for the past year so i got an itch for something more modern, played parliament of knives and enjoyed it, i love lucca and want corliss to step on my neck
did you guys like any of the other vampire games these guys made? even the non-vtm ones
i'm itching for another
maybe v5 isn't so bad

>>96859948
Where can I find the Chantry builder

>>96860838
people say good things about night road
>my group has been doing a long dark ages for the past year
jealous, it seems like i'm the only one in my group that's into period settings

>>96860390
Thank you.

>>96860677
The toilet paper thing was just an exaggerated example; I don't think it's a fetish thing. And he seems to be backing off on his stance now that I've brought up some outside opinions.

>>96860743
>You can think of merits brought with freebie points as representative of the character's experiences between their first change and rite of passage? That's a good way to think about it.
That's another thing I brought up, she's still limited in what she can spend initial dots on (other than freebies).

>>96860772
In his defense, some sources I found seemed to indicate that it takes a long time for animal-born to acclimate to human living. But like I said before, she's 10 years past her first change.

>>96860225
>>96860314
>>96860529
I'm glad I don't have this flavor of autism. Aping the church in a mocking manner fits the Sabbat well. The Sabbat accuses the Camarilla of being the highfalutin aristocrats, so noble titles are immediately out of the question but there's only so many mortal terms to steal in the year 1500.

Not to mention, the Lasombra were the most heavily invested in the catholic church as an institution, and it fits the Sabbat's more religiously derived power. The Code of Milan wasn't around when the Sabbat was forming, and before the addenda and the purchase pact (much later additions) it was so vague in what it actually said that it was 90% up to interpretation. Since the Sabbat has to pretend it isn't that autocratic, it makes sense why it would try to define things in terms of dioceses rather than proper feudal holdings. You can also have a cardinal for a region that has very little Sabbat presence, as they're more like regional overseers rather than kings. As authoritarian and tyrannical as the Sabbat often are in practice, their entire structure is filled with pseudo-democratic and libertarian trappings. A religious basis for government ensures that there is always at least one person above any temporal ruler. Thus, Noddism is the one thing that even semi-unifies the Sabbat, and it's worth noting that the factions within it that are least likely to respect Noddism are the least likely to give a damn about the hierarchy. The Black Hand and their fifth columnist tendencies. Nomad Packs.

Lastly and most practically, use of aristocratic titles just wouldn't fly with their base. However many self-interested elders they have, their base, especially at the time of their founding, were deranged apocalyptists who wanted to destroy the existing vampire hierarchies, nearly all of whom used feudal or even more archaic terms.

>>96860765
>upswing in HFY posters
Has there? I've been reacquainting myself with WoD, these past weeks, and I've been somewhat vocal about how the sabbat continues to disappoint. Although who's sucking off Hunters? They'll always be the bottom rung of the ladder despite how hard Paradox tries.

>>96860884
Well hey if the TP thing and the general vibe is just for flavor and not something that will be repeated until it's a tired joke then there's no harm in it, perfectly reasonable character, Main thing is that everyone else in the table is comfortable I figure

>>96860939
See now that helps sell it better than most stuff I've read that isn't in-lore. I almost wanna hazard an assumption that local to state sabbat stuff might be stand alone complexes, though I think the general anarch trappings fit that idea better.

>>96860743
Good point, I suppose at my table before we just kind of treated freebie points as character rounders and not part of a backstory explicitly
>>96860772
I suppose that's what the freebie points represent

>>96860006
It takes 3 years to potty train a human baby & they are smarter than a human baby. While language skills would be like a second language, odd phasing & bad contraction maybe

>>96858800 (OP)
The original Avalon logo was better.

>>96861365
Even pentex subsidiaries are getting hit with the simplified logo trend

>>96860838
Night road's about the only other one that gets praise. How was Corliss? I figure we can't romance her but damn it, I wanna support her from what little I've seen.

>>96860838
Night Road is very interactive and I like it though it has it's fair share of problems partly due to
>V5
and it being that guy's first WoD game. It's pretty good though
While I think his sequel is better, Werewolf is a lot harder to get into

I summon the 1 (one) Geist: the Sin-Eaters fan to convince me why it is worth playing.

>>96860838
>>96861635
I liked Coteries of New York and I heard Shadows was even better, but people seemed to pan Swansong for some reason.

>>96861940
Half the WoD/VtM video games out there don't even have Metacritic scores. Just shows how the mighty are fallen; there's barely anyone playing these, even when they're good.

>>96861940
Swansong'll likely get a surge of love. Probably. Although how much of swansong was an advertisement for v5?

>>96861968
>disappointed

>>96861968
Which of these should I play?

>Parliament of Knives
>Shadows of New York
>Night Road
>Swansong
>Reckoning of New York
>Out For Blood

>>96861691
It's possibly the only 'of Darkness' setting that has a very grim premise but is surprisingly pleasant and uplifting in play. Your character has died and the death was likely very unpleasant and they have wrestle with being bound to a geist, but a typical chronicle is going to have lots of little moments of joy and catharsis and reconnecting with humanity and helping others overcome the trauma of their passing and generally coming to terms with death as a natural and healthy part of life.

Of course it can be played in a more depressing and dour fashion if you want to play it that way, but the game lends itself to a positive outlook on death rather than a negative one, heavily inspired by Día de Muertos.

>>96861940
Swansong is buggy as hell and very in your face about it being V5. Admittedly, it's also a much better adaptation of a tabletop session than most other things. If you like DE or Planescape, Swangsong is in that vein of CRPG

>>96862012
Parliament to Night Road, definitely. Swansong's your choice. Reckoning is only if you really liked Shadows, and then I suggest playing Coteries of New York. If after that you still want more New York get Reckoning.
Goes without saying to try and get 'em with discounts, but that's especially true for Swansong and Reckoning.

>>96862012
Everyone likes to recommend Night Road and Swansong, I've also heard Parliament and Coteries is good. I've heard reckoning was relatively bad though. Out for Blood also isn't a vampire game, it's a hunter game. If you're willing to branch out Glenkildove and the WtA game are both good

>>96862012
I just finished Night Road for the first time. Pretty solid. Took about 4-5 hours or so. The ACTUAL successor to VtMB, as sad as it is to say. Bring your own OST.

>>96861293
I appreciate your input.

>>96861365
My GM has SO much fun with that particular subsidiary. That and Tellus; anything entertainment-related.

>>96858800 (OP)
Ah, my employer! I wonder if I'm gonna get a bonus this year.

>>96862173
Your bonus will be radioactive horsefly spirits in your area giving you spiritual and physical STDs

>>96862182
>Shizo post
I think you need to take your meds, anon.

>>96862173
Keep working on that deal with Shinzui and we'll see

Does anyone actually like the Followers of Set as anything more than tropey bad guys to gun down?

>>96862194
Meds are fake, it's all fake

>>96862256
I'd like them better if they didn't suck Set dick so much.

>>96860844
Lore of the Clans

>>96862256
They are okay

>>96862268
but the whole clan being outright an antediluvian cult was their charm point

>>96858800 (OP)
These are all pentex subsidiaries?

>>96862448
Some of them even know it.

>>96862211
I wish man. So far I'm doing some office work for Endron, nothing exciting, mostly financial reports.

>>96862256
Just boogeyman enemies and bossbait.

Best merits and flaws?

>>96862501
1. True Faith
2. True Faith
3. True Faith
4. Enemy at 5

>>96862521
>t.

>>96862501
-Animal magnetism
-The various flavours of "ability aptitude" are pretty good for the price. Artful visionary is similar in concept.
-Oracular ability
-Natural linguist (the version that gives you a bonus when "using language" or something vague like that)
-Enchanting voice is a perennial favourite.
Flaws:
-Mystical aura
-Infertile vitae
-Thaumaturgical glossolalia is not a listed flaw, but is suggested as a derangement in Tremere clanbook, iirc.
-Changeling eyes if you are a special snowflake.

>>96862501
Allies, contacts, retainers.

>>96862521
>spoiler
actual kino potential if done right

>>96862553
Bach was closer to enemy at 3-4 until he pissed off the protagonist but Bach is pretty kino himself. Too bad modern day spooks don't have the same Charisma

>>96862604
Thank you, yeah it's something I'm cooking up with my players at the moment. I think ideally it shouldn't be impossible but it should also feel like you're in an extra in a movie who's genre you don't know

>>96862623
>Too bad modern day spooks don't have the same Charisma
Don't know what you are talking about.

>>96862623
Spooks could never match the kino levels of the SoL

>>96862623
Well that's cause spooks have -3 cha to start with. They're spooks, after all. Bach's a clergyman. He's got that passion and zeal in him.

Who are the cofd spooks again that are supposed to be hunters but in fact just do some elder vampire's bidding?

>>96862727
Task Force: Valkyrie. I remember an anon talking about it.

>>96862630
Judging by your post you're gonna make an Inquisitor. I'm guessing he's going up against vampires?

Are vtm nosferatu all cursed to be ugly or can they be appearance 0 in other ways like being smelly or looking plastic/too perfect instead of grotesque?

>Had fun writing up a Hunter: The Vigil campaign
>Had this idea for a small Ontario Town full of not!Deep Ones, being plagued by a Mask Slasher
>Get a group of players
>Allow one player, who is the one who got me into RPGs, to play a Slasher, since I trusted his ability to control himself
>We figured out a middle ground for his murderhobo
>Get to the campaign
>my red herrings work without a hitch, players make assumptions based on knowing me and finding out there's a suspicious church and deep ones
>finally unmask the Monster
>Fully stat it, intend to follow the rules and data I gave it
>Intention is to have it show up, murder a guy, mutilate the introductory NPC so he'd get ghoul'd, then get exposed to his weakness(Water) and run off, so the PCs would have to figure out a way to kill him, and I could also establish he was working for a vampire
>Instead, the PCs save the introductory NPC
>Then the party Slasher is able to chase after the monster after I made the mistake of describing a fire escape when setting up the Water
>Slasher chases after the Mask Slasher
>Gets a series of crits
>kills the Slasher immediately
>Have to hamfist in that he was working for a vampire afterward
>hit full writer's block as I had no idea how to do the sequel campaign, tracking down the vampire mastermind
>talking to the Slasher PC, mention I had all this lore written up for the Mask Slasher before he went crazy
>he asks why not have the party start the investigation, trying to investigate him
>mfw it was literally that simple

Anyone have any suggestions for possible encounters? Right now, they have the lead that he was working for a vampire called 'the baron', they've met the vampire in disguise(the party doesn't know), and they know the Deep Ones are just denizens of the area who are mostly super sus because their kind have been getting murdered en masse...and now the party has saved them.

>>96862833
>appearance 0 while being smelly
Sure. Originally they were the count Orlok vampires so they were visibly less human
>too plastic or perfect
Harder sell since revulsion is a foundation of nosferatu. Too plastic over perfect if you talked your ST into it.

>>96862501
Half Life
>Cheap Necromancy is fine, but the biggest advantage is being able to slip into the Shadowlands with little effort or preparation. As far as defense or setting up ambushes,you can't ask for better. Only a very small number of vampires can even effect you & usually only with preparation. Sure there are downsides but the advantages outweigh them.

Sanctity
>People literally don't think you're the culprit for anything. You're the last person to suspect.

Invocation (Luck)
>any merit to get a small bonus to any action can be overruled by this one merit. You can now gain a bonus to any action, you just need to prep a little first. Get to printing out those amulets, circles & potions

Unbondable
>don't be a bitch to anyone. Sell yourself like a little blood slut to get unique Disciplines or Paths, pretend you're bonded & then betray them. When blood bonds are the preferred mark of loyalty, you can get all kinds of favors

>>96862833
Rugged Bad Looks (5pt. Merit)
>While you are still hideous, you are not quite as ugly as most Nosferatu. You still have an appearance of 0, but you might pass for human in the right light. It is a still a good idea to cover up and stay in the shadows, but the sight of you (or even the smell of you) is not cause for someone to immediately think of you as a freak or a trauma victim.. Having said that, you are still ugly enough to unnerve the crap out of most people.

>>96862833
>appearance 0 in other ways like being smelly

>>96862833
I played in a VTM campaign where the party nos was a guy from the stock market boom of the 1920s, who was cursed for his vanity. He had a ghoul 'nurse', and rode around in style fully bandaged up like Claude Raines in the Invisible Man.

>>96862919
Ask him for some "sound" trading advice

>>96862342
alright, maybe I'm a faggot, but this is one of the cutest fucking cat videos I've ever seen.

>>96862897
You know, this reminds me of something I've always wondered. Would it be possible for a Nosferatu to torture and mutilate the childe they just Embraced to the point the Nosferatu curse doesn't do anything as their features are ravaged enough?

>>96862942
Nah, it's cute.

>>96862919
Was he wheelchair-bound and bandaged from cutting his lumps off nightly or did he have like 4 willpower?

>>96862057
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-w_RNchAsk

>>96862952
the wheelchair was a facade, and I think he was mostly viewed as an eccentric recluse.

Also, are the lumps necessarily part of being a nossie? I thought it kind of varied from nos to nos, where the only consistent thing was you're inhumanly, monstrously ugly?

>>96862742
The player is a Vampire, actually, I'm gassing him up to take more points in Enemy once the campaign starts

>>96862521
>Faithmaxxer
Honestly? Can't complain, blasting a vampire with concentrated power of faith is cool

>>96862967
No the lumps aren't a requirement. Just a way it can manifest.

>>96862977
Oh yeah, I meant the enemy. Keep us updated if anything interesting happens.

>>96862981
yeah, Claude didn't have lumps AFAIK, he just hid in a wheelchair to seem like a feeble burn victim, which surprised groups like the enemy hunters when he got up out of the chair and proceeded to spitroast one of them on his cane, ass to mouth.

>>96862652
>tracks you down (specifically YOU) because she has cancer and don't wanna die
Charisma void, genuinely. Absolutely 0 weight to the character compared to Chad McBloodfeud
>>96862699
>>96862658
I only hope that at some day we'll get writers who actually want passionate characters in their games and not irony poisoned quip masters

>>96862952
>>96862967
lumps?

>>96862985
I'm planning on making the enemy a risen wraith he ended up creating whilst he was stupid in the backstory

>>96862979
Blasting anything with the concentrated power of faith is kino of the highest order, which is why I seethe when Paladins in DnD are just autistic instead properly layering the religious zealotry
Why yes my favorite Vermintide character is Saltzpyre

>>96862993
Got some pits, too, but you have to dig deeper to fix a divot.

>>96862943
That sounds mean. And from everything I've read about the nosferatu, they are mean but generally not that mean.

>>96863009
my first ever experience with an RPG was in Warhammer 40,000: Dark Heresy. I played a self-flagellating psyker who spent most of his life in a church and fully hated himself for his curse. He only joined up with the inquisition because 'obviously, you have to do what the servants of the emperor demand', and I spent the entire game as a hella zealous dude who had a huge admiration hardon for the servants of the God-Emperor, like the Astra Militarum or *gasp* The Adeptus Astartes.

Him learning to temper his zealousness was a hell of a lot of fun, and by the end of the campaign, he ended up going face to face with a daemon prince alone since the rest of the party was failing fear checks or was possessed by said Daemon Prince.

>>96862986
Ah good ol' surprise potence attacks. Gotta love 'em.
>>96862991
Like pic related. Though they can look less like pustules.

>>96862943
The curse is supernatural so it'd likely ignore the mutilation.

>>96863030
That sounds incredibly based, overzealous Inquisitor learning nuance is a kino journey

>>96863043
also, I modelled his appearance on picrel, complete with a flaming crown. Dark Heresy 2e has an armor enhancement called the Brazier of St. Roberto, which is hilariously broken, and single-handedly ended up turning my character into the Face. The GM let me wear it as a hat instead of an armor enhancement.

>>96863054
Damn that looks cool, I'll check it out

>>96863061
an anon dumps it during the holidays every year, it's a fantastic necromunda comic.

>>96863030
>>96863054
Sounds cash. In my first taste of DH I was a chainsword wielding techpriest and we were *this* close to uncovering some sector wide conspiracy about the severan dominate before the game fell apart

>>96863009
>spoiler
He would make for a very scary inquisitor if you think about it. With a special hatred for anything demonic or with pointy ears
I AM THE COMMET, I BURN THE IMPURE!

>>96862943
That's actually something some Nossies do. They fuck up pretty people & then embrace them so they scars set it. The nossie curse will either keep your already ugly appearance or drop your appearance to 0, it doesn't really care how you get there.

>>96863104
>can slaughter thousands of above human-tier man-sized rats
>has the power of god and anime on his side
>many guns
This guy could solo WoD up until Gen 5-4 vampires I think

So what is the riddle then?

>>96863130
The answer is the destination, the riddle is the journey. ie
>Malk knows WHAT will happen
>Malk doesn't know HOW that thing will happen
>or if they know how, they do not know what or when
It's like if you come across a difficult puzzle, someone points the answer at you before you even start it but you have 0 idea how they actually arrived at the end step. Like a dude showing you the last step of solving a rubiks cube without you knowing all the moves

>>96863129
You forgot the fact he has a lot of dots in Allies and Contacts. Krubersreik 5 could solo ET.

>>96863130
They know the answer but it's lost in the static. An answer is meaningless with a question. If I told you "raise/rays/rase/raze/rehs/réis/res" how do you know what that means? You'd need to know the question before you can connect it to the answer. It's like knowing the last word of a novel. It means nothing but also everything

>>96863170
All of them together yeah

... I suddenly like the Hecata for some reason.

>>96863210
>this ad was brought to you by Cold Pussy inc.

Redpill me on the Strix. They seemed like an unnecessary spiritual addition to a splat whose secondary strength was its lack of spiritual enemies.

>>96863267
They were fine as an optional enemy/thing that could be lurking in the background. Driven into the ground by 2e

>>96862501
MERITS
Full of Life(Wraith)
Spark of Life(Mage)
Dilettante(M20 The Rich Bastard's Guide to Magick)
Charmed Existence
Graceful (Sorcerers Crusade Companion)
Antitoxin Blood
Calming Presence(C20)
Ability Aptitude
Gut Instinct (C20)
Grand Library


FLAW
Bard's Tongue
Demon-Hounded
Curiosity

>>96862833
There is a nosferatu in one of the v5 books that had a sex doll sort of appearance. Apparently her mouth is perpetually half open and she cant blink.

>>96863267
honestly they where fine when they where just one of the other things in the night and i really like that part of vtr and to a lesser degree all of cofd

but the strix are just so overdone and overhyped in the books

>>96863283
V5 is bullshit, & doesn't fuckingncount

>>96863267
They are everything vampires try to cope and deny about themselves. Vampires are blood-drinking undead monsters that prey on the living, but they pretend at humanity and civilization. Strix hate that, and hate vampires for their unwillingness to embrace what they truly are. They also hate vampires for being corporeal and more alive than them (things largely denied to the Strix) but the anger at their inherently contradictory existence is also a big element of it. Vampires fear the Strix not (just) because of their malicious talent for sowing chaos and discord, but because they're a reminder of what all vampires are at their core. When vampires get too comfortable, too complacent, too civilized, too big for their britches, when they start to forget what monsters they truly are... that is when Strix arrive to topple their house of cards, rip their feeble mask of humanity away and forcibly bring them down to their roots. The Strix are chaos, entropy, anomy, atavism. They are the proverbial Heart of Darkness.

>>96863130
It's encrypted somewhere inside of pi

>>96863329
But isn't that just what Belial's Brood already does? Or even Lancea Sanctum and Circle of the Crone for that matter? IIRC even Ordo Dracul could get pretty horrifying at times.

>>96863283
Why can't v5 writers have more "normal" fetishes?

>>96863380
What, like rape, bondage, dommy mommy and incest? Those are all there already!

>>96863391
Cute nossie

>>96863390
Monster girl, human male. Fat bastard. NTR. Etc

>>96863390
>dommy mommy
I just can't fap to that ugly old woman v5tards used.

>>96862850
How the hell did your PC 1v1 a Mask Slasher? I thought their whole thing was they only ever take one damage at a time from conventional attacks; you need to environmental kill them.

Anyway, for encounter suggestions:
>If you want something to draw the cell's attention away for a bit and possibly drive a wedge between them and the part fishmen, have people go missing at sea in the area. Boats vanishing, individuals going over the side at the night. It's an entirely unrelated sea monster, base it on any from local legend if there is any. I'd recommend at some point throwing entirely unrelated to the main plot monsters at them, it's not only a fun break, but it helps reinforce that they're in a messy world riddled with monsters.

>Keep the vampire active. They lost their last heavy, who was evidently insufficient to task. Do they look for a new elite supernatural thug, or do they decide that quantity has its own quality? In the case of the latter, a different ghoul or ghoul/s engaged in something less immediately related to depopulating the village, but still integral to the vampire's plans. Could be as mundane as drug smuggling.

>Hauntings. The Mask killed some people rather horribly before the PCs intervened. Maybe one or two has stuck around as a ghost, unable to avenge their own killing and losing their damn minds. PCs need to put them to rest before they drag more innocents to their deaths.

>>96863417
I had a built in weakness for it, where if the slasher got doused in a lot of water, he'd be weakened. The plan was, they'd have to figure out a way to trap him, then douse him, and beat him. Instead, the PC chased him on foot as he walked on walls and leaped across gaps thanks to crits on the chase, threw a brick to make him fall off a building, then beat him to death while he had him pinned.

>>96863408
Savona? She's alright definitely has that notion of being overly dommy to be 'shocking' cause bdsm isn't the most vanilla kink ever.
Also more of a general dom than dommy mommy

>>96863423
>beat him to death
With a brick or with their bear hands? Cause both sound like funny scenes. Especially if the former had the players just watching from the sidelines flabbergasted

>>96863438
his signature weapon is a crowbar, so that's what he used once the monster was pinned.

And yeah, that's basically what happened. The rest of the party both knew the PC was kind of...creepy, but didn't know to the extent when he sprinted after a guy who had just impaled a deep one and run off, and viciously beat him to death on the ground.

We'd come to an agreement that while he was a murderer, he didn't have supernatural powers yet since he hadn't killed an innocent(through coincidence, his first victim was a monster). I let him have some of the slasher-exclusive upgrades, he has like 2 humanity, and the moment he kills an innocent on purpose, he'll become an actual slasher and an NPC.

>>96863306
You dont need to tell me but im forced to play it and I managed to aquire all the pdfs. I still feel ashamed i couldnt sell v20 but one of the guys at my table already ordered the v5 book and had the pdf out to share right away.

Are D.M.T. entities Astral beings, spirits, True Fae, or just hallucinations?

>>96863500
Dunno, but I'm still mad I was unable to make my own dmt.

>>96863500
What are D.m.t entities?

>>96863515

DMT as in the drug - anon is asking how to peg the creatures that people frequently halluncinate on DMT (typically described as elves, gnomes, aliens) as a WOD entity type.

>>96863500
temporary tulpa

>>96863520
I see, thank you.
>>96863500
Astral beings or spirits. If you wanna get creative say the hallucinations act like cut-outs or stained glass for the spirits or astral beings. Gentry would induce a DMT effect, hence the confusion

>>96863500
They are angels. I can't remember which ones off the top of my head but I think maybe Wheels? Their description matches one of the Hosts

>>96863466
I would have dragged him out & asked in anyone else had a shitty suggestion. V5 is mechanically fucked. Lore fucked.. & any other type of fucked you care to entertain

>>96863500
Deep abstract memetic beings. They're self-perpetuating patterns of thought but produce none themselves, that's why they're frequently described as excited to find the plateaued minds of psychonauts and reports have recurring elements of being compelled to produce or shed some kinda glowing orb.

>>96863500
Depends
A lot of the time their fractals images of what ever spiritual being you saw at the time
Others are consistent mental being that exist in the umbra that pass by and mess with druggies

>>96863587
Couldnt agree more but i didnt feel like pressing it. On the bright side we follow old lore and essentially ignore the metaplot outside of the hecata. The Sabbat is still a faction instead of the fractured mess v5 turned it into and we have a homebrew book that actually lets you play as them.

Cyberpunk Fairytale: Changeling in The Neo-South
>>>/qst/6324793

>>96863662
>I am gonna call the first set of votes here.

Would it be too difficult to bring Foundations and Pillars into modern day Mage? Would the technocracy be adaptable?

We all know that problem players can be attracted to any clan. But what clan has, in your experience, attracted the most amount of, or most problematic players?

In my experience, it's easily the Lasombra.

>>96863746
Malkavian

>>96863745
>Would it be too difficult to bring Foundations and Pillars into modern day Mage?
they already did that in the v20 true black hand book of all places
>Would the technocracy be adaptable?
probably you can make up pillars based on vague themes and tags after all

>>96863746
in my experiance it's tzimisce or setite and it's not even close but i also have heard very awful horror stories about salubri players who want to be the main character

>>96863746
Brujah

>>96863746
Malk and Tzi.

There any character creator tools out there for v20? I tire of having five things open just to double check things.

>>96863746
Define problematic.

>>96864038
Annoying to play with, creates problems at the table.

The original use of the word problematic, not the modern shitlib use.

>>96863746
Why they are often like the most down to earth normal ish seeming PC’s in a sabbat game? which sometimes does lead to inter party conflict yes
Most of the time I find it’s not the players but the politics and the nature of lambrosia clan politics is driven to conflict and betrayal

>>96864051
Tremere then.

Never played VtM as a table top game before, but I'm curious. Are there any good videos of players playing so I can get an idea of what it's like? I've seen LA and NY by Night on youtube but not sure they're worth watching?

>>96860211
>Lost, tho, not Dreaming even if the rest would be oWod
>>96860268
>I'm newish to WoD and I have no clue about what changes between first editions, second editions, nWoDs, 5s, 20s, and whatnot

Can anybody give me a qrd on that?

Because reading up my end I'm immediately finding pretty extensive differences:

>Grognard systems (HtR and W20) that we're already playing
Success at 6, subract 1s, botches, exploding 10s with specialization

>CtL that I wish to run
Success at 8, no 1s, no botches, default exploding 10s, specializations give +1 die

Not planning to mix splats but I wonder if that could be a problem in the long run.
Although, if you think of it, a different, more forgiving, possibly more "cinematic" (swings of luck with exploding 10s) outcomes might not be too out of place as the designated Changeling system since changeling are sort of self-determined narrative creatures, the crunch might as well be interpreted as them bending fortunes around them.

>>96864210
Not really, and I'd go so far as to say that watching liveplays is one of the worst things you can do to prepare for running tabletop as a first timer, because it can give you unrealistic expectations, and it trains your brain on a group dynamic that your table may not match at all. Essentially with that as your first experience, it sets that subconsciously as your default and undermines your creativity and flexibility.

>>96864223
That's a fair assessment, thank you. I guess I just need to find a group that plays VtM around me then.

Initiative.
Declaring lower to higher, then executing higher to lower drives me up a fucking wall. "The guy closed the door, you didn't declare you'd be opening the door (which wasn't shut at the time of declaration) so you're stuck with you dick in your hands, now you wait 15 minutes for everybody to roll bucketful of dice and resove their shit" is bullshit of the highest order and entirely dependend on arbitrary 4th-dimension chess mindgames with the ST of declaring minutia just in case they might happen.

It doesn't help that the ST considers combat a new scene so that the Razor Claws that you sharpened when you entered the fomor-infested house suddenly gets dull as soon as you roll initiative, better lose another turn and spend another Rage.

I really enjoy the game but goddamnit this is some clunky punitive bullshit.

>>96863746
Malks, Gangrel & Brujah all attract a certain kind of insufferable douchebag i cant stand. All they want to do is fuck over any social scene by either acting like a fish, or being hyper aggressive/retarded. Either way it torpedoes all serious social scenes

>>96864263
5th ed fixed that

>>96864263
Smack your ST around

>>96864205
Slander. Tremere have never done anything wrong

>>96864900
How does it work in 5th?

>>96864929
Idk like many people who share an opinion on 5th, I've never played it

>>96864900
nWoD fixed it first.

>>96864980
Too bad nWoD is fucking gay

>>96864989
If nWoD is gay, then mortal minds cannot fathom the abject faggotry that is WoD5.

>>96864998
Nice try nWoD faggot, even WoD 5 is preferable to that stupid shit

>>96863966
No.

>>96863500
Nah, the guys are lower end goetic demons. Memes aside, you can do whatever you want with them but I haven't seen a good fit for them.

What are your takes on the Weaver?

>>96865380
Autistic bitch needs a hobby.

>>96865380
I want to see her tits

>>96862256
I think their mortal cult angle is terribly underused.

>>96865380
Overworked single mother trying to provide for billions of adopted children while dealing with two retarded brothers.

>>96865492
Here’s the crab version of her

There are spiderwebs behind your eyes, Glass Walker. I’m afraid you must also pay in blood

>>96865380
Insane dommy mommy who can't actually keep order and control.

>>96865395
Fucking with people is her hobby.

>>96865730
Yes, those things are called nerves.

>>96865722
She's a lot more manageable under the sea, where she can't get metallurgy started. You don't hear about crabs fucking much up for squid or fish.

>>96865859
She did manage to establish languages, tool use and drug cultures, so it isn't for lack of trying.

>>96865859
Crabs are the ultimate lifeform. You'll change your tune once they evolve to their true potential

>>96865849
Ape jargon. Nonsense.

>>96865896
>evolve
WYLD CORRUPTION ALERT
WYLD CORRUPTION ALERT
WYLD CORRUPTION ALERT

>>96865722
Ummm... Is project deepwater recruiting? Asking for a friend haha

>>96865674
>retarded brothers

She locked one brother on her attic because she had a mid life crisis and is mad he’s gone mad as a result. Only reason she didn’t do the same to the other is because she couldn’t catch him

>>96865840
>Fucking with people is her hobby.
Why doesn't she fuck with me then?

>>96866018
But she is, you are here after all

>>96865909
Average Garou Intellect (Non-humanboo)
>>96865919
This implies Werewolf must become Werecrab at some point in the future

>>96865987
To be fair said brother was giving serial killer vibes and the other one probably was watching getting too engrossed in the yiff community. Couldn't blame her

>>96866018
You're static enough. Get a more "active" lifestyle, and well, she might be interested.
Sponsored by Pentex™ and its subsidiaries

>>96866030
>implies
You've discovered the eldritch knowledge anon. The triat as one is crab and the road to crab greatness

>>96866036
The “serial killer vibes” was just him breaking down the old stuff she made so it could be reused elsewhere, and she threw a fit over that


Also, the Wyld is too autistic to feel any form of sexual pleasure. The yiffing is 100% Gaia’s fault

>>96866030
The Perfect Metis isn't one born without deformities, they're just a werecrab.

>>96865380
Did what was supposed to.
As did (and is still doing) the Wrym.

I wonder what the fuck was the Wyld doing instead of immediately slapping the other two retards and going "Ok, valid crashout, both of you, now cut if out" so that things wouldn't have gone to shit.

---

Also can't hate spidermommy because GW for life.

>>96866027
>>96866044
But I'm single, I work an office job and I have a spider fetish.

>>96866057
>>96866192
This feels like a violation of the Litany

>>96866118
Mommy just wanted a break anon

>>96866323
The Litany couldn't foretell this bullshit.

I'm new to WtA (W20) but it is me or not postponing Rage action at the end of initiative, even with the understandable goal of simplifying combat instead of basically running inititive twice (thrice if you count declaring), completely fucks up any sort of balance during a fight?

I'm the Ahroun with +10 baseline, I just frontload Rage and maybe split 1 die, nothing will be left of you by the time it's your turn and I have hit you you five times, and even if you're lucky enough good luck accomplishing anything while barely standing.

Sure a ST can make an enemy however they want and just pump them full of health levels (whatever the equivalent is for spirits or fomori) but whenever is woof vs woof (so basically anything BSD-related) everything becomes either immediately trivial or you just immediately die and can't do anything about it.

>>96866323
Of course it's a violation. Walking down the street is a violation because it's a street. Also it's treating the wyrm as something other than a defiler

>>96866334
Aren't BSD pretty tanky? Anyway I don't think Werewolf is supposed to be balanced

>>96866222
>job security
>no distractions
I bet you work for Shinzui too. Climb the latter or, again, become more active

>>96866350
IIRC, I haven't use the old game engine in years because of shit it is.

>>96866334
Yeah, moving first is overpowered when Celerity/Rage is concerned. Dodging is also shite across the board.
It's not supposed to be balanced. Just don't get jumped.

>>96866371
I myself never really understood the appeal of running WtA since it seems like combat (a big focus) is relatively simple and the RP elements are a bit more specific than VtM or the other games

>>96866030
>Werecrab
Would they be the best at stepping sideways?

>>96866420
They'd have stepped sideways away from slaughtering all the other fera

>>96866350
>>96866404

Is it still a game, and WELL YOU'RE DEAD NO YOU COULDN'T HAVE DONE ANYTHING for something that is supposed to be at the core of the game loop (beating up BSDs and the occasional woof infighting) is peculiarly unfun because either everything always comes apart in your hands before they can react (which is cool the first couple times than gets boring) or you just die because you lost initiative.

Of course going first helps, but frontloading everything in one go for simplicity's sake skews things so that they are waaaaaaaaaay one sided with literally no possible counter (also because you can't even dodge because you should have declared it).

Let's assume all punches hit and do 1 level of damage:
> If you split once + 3 rage actions and frontload everything, you hit five times and do five damage, then it's the other guy's turn who's maimed and can't do shit, tough shit, fight's over at the first initiative tick
> You attack twice tanks to splitting, then the guy is somewhat hurt but can still act conceivably well, even if on the backfoot, then it's alternating Rage actions while you both get progressively more fucked up but still have agency to adjust or react

>>96866472
Don't werewolves get to soak all that damage

>>96865380
I love the Weaver to bits and shit concerning the Weaver appeals to me more than any other part of the World of Darknesss. The Weaver is my favourite aspect of the setting.

However, I also acknowledge that the Weaver is an antagonist force and that the stasis that she seeks to accomplish will either accidentally kill everything, turn it into a dystopian cyberpunk hellscape devoid of magic, or calcify reality when she achieves her idea of perfection at long last and existence is so monotonous and rhythmic that every moment is identical to the last and time ceases to have any meaning at all. She is insane and if she wins, it is the end of imagination and liberty at best and it is the end of everything at worst.

So I balk at the people who treat the Weaver like a benevolent, protective, doting dommy mommy and the patron spirit of humanity. She is anything but that. Humanity is her eternal project, which she is constantly optimising every last iota of liberty and independent thought out of. She will not stop until every human's existence is cyclical, identical, everlasting slop and life becomes utterly meaningless. She is not our mother. She is not our friend. She is demented and she is terrifying and she is on the verge of bringing about a future just as nightmarish as any Apocalypse that the Wyrm might inflict on Gaia. She is the adversary.

>>96866472
>>96866530
Yeah I was about to say. I never played W20 but I remember back in the day the problem with woof vs woof fights was the opposite, it would drag on for ages and ages before anybody actually started dropping.

>>96866530
Sure, but they roll an absurdely high amount of dice (because any additional success on hitting transfers to wounding) and soaking can't really up with the sheer volume if you just deal all of them all at the same time.

Look, I'm not arguing that you shouldn't get hurt if you go second.

My point is that having the whole action economy discharge in one go, while it tecnically doesn't do anything that you weren't supposed to be able to do anyway, makes combat (which is the core of the system) pretty much not fun.

>>96866583
I think that's because of the regeneration but WoD healthpools are pretty small, so even 4 instances of 2-3 damage is enough to be putting someone down I figure but I remember reading werewolves could soak even Agg damage

>>96866582
>She is demented and she is terrifying and she is on the verge of bringing about a future just as nightmarish as any Apocalypse that the Wyrm might inflict on Gaia. She is the adversary.

Like each of the Triat taken as single entities, tho. They were never supposed to exist as such, sticking GOOD or BAD labels on each makes no sense.

>>96866334
>>96866472
Shouldn’t spending rage for extra actions be limited to 1 per turn?

>>96866408
I found the most fun way to run it (as intended, not counting BSD packs) was treating it almost as a Shadowrun-esque ecoterrorism simulator. The Monkey Wrench Gang, but with fur. Heavy on the investigation and planning side, with combat in the execution.

>>96866747
No, your limit is 1/2 your perm Rage. Although, I just noticed even if it doesn't really solve the matter of frontloading Rage attacks, you can't split you actions AND take Rage actions.

Goddamnit this system is so fucking clunky.

>>96866814
Honestly? Inter-garou conflict is theoretically a really cool part of the game too, both as in trying to prevent it or succumbing to the infighting.

>>96866635
Perhaps this applies to the Wyrm as well, though the madness of the Wyrm is unique and very different to that of the Weaver. The nature of the Apocalypse that the Wyrm seeks to bring about is very different to the Apocalypse of the Weaver as well, with different mechanisms that shall bring them about.

However, this is not the case for the Wyld. The Wyld has not lost its mind and it remains true to its function without any higher purpose born of insanity. The Wyrm longs for the destruction of all things, the Weaver longs for a perfect and static universe, but the Wyld does not long to fill the universe with life and matter and energy until it collapses under its own weight. The Wyld is the one and only specimen of the Triat that does what it is meant to do and doesn't try to stack the deck in its favour to try and bring about its victory condition, because it doesn't have a victory condition. As for the Weaver and the Wyrm, their victory conditions are very much bad for the Tellurian.

In Werewolf the Apocalypse, the Triat are not mindless forces. The Wyld might be mindless, but it's still not a force. They aren't the Metaphysical Trinity of Mage the Ascension. They are spirits, they are entities and two of them are utterly insane and seek to bring about bad endings for all of existence. While I wouldn't call her evil, I have no compunction about calling the Weaver bad, because her ultimate goal is very bad for the Tellurian. I have no compunction about calling the Wyrm bad AND evil, because the majority of his heads want to inflict as much as suffering and pain as possible with the Apocalypse, which is just as bad for the Tellurian.

>tl;dr
I disagree with the approach of treating the Triat like fundamental forces or laws of physics. They're spirit-gods and two of them are fucked in the head in a way that's bad for everyone.

>>96863966
https://drsharky.github.io/VTMsite/#!/creator
i use drsharky for a rough draft then finish with an interactive form fillable sheet like from mr. gone
https://mrgone.rocksolidshells.com/wod.html#vtm

>>96866814
I figure that's how you should be playing most encounters but things like a company sending a squad of professional werewolf killers at you is bound to tie you up in combat for a bit when it comes to big moments.
I can't imagine Fido and friends doing a heckin terrorism at the local shoe factory is going to do anything for Gaia despite them arguing for it

>>96866834
This is G*rou propaganda, Mother has done nothing wrong

>>96866892
>I can't imagine Fido and friends doing a heckin terrorism at the local shoe factory is going to do anything for Gaia despite them arguing for it

That's the tragedy of the Garou, which btw is completely their own fault

>>96866892
Hey don't knock the loss of good shoes. My buddy Steve died cause his unit didn't get shoe replacements before they walked into a minefield

>>96866928
Damn anon that's tragic but I still don't see the local shoe factory being destroyed as helping Gaia when like 100 miles away there's
>PollutionCo, We Poison Water, Subsidiary of [Subsidiary]

>>96866916
Maybe they should be running for office instead as the green party but with actual superpowers

>>96866834
>The Wyld is the one and only specimen of the Triat that does what it is meant to do and doesn't try to stack the deck in its favour to try and bring about its victory condition
It probably would be doing crazy shit if it wasn't dying,

>>96867007
I thought the Wyld was different from Gaia

>>96866582
Woof propaganda. We could achieve the best ending if we gave mom some help and input. Trapping the wyrm forever and leaving the wyld constrained would allow the weaver to be busy with endless shaping of the new without having to worry about it being destroyed.

>>96867024
It is, they're both getting fucked up

>>96866834
If the wyld was the only thing left we'd be stuck in permanent unga bunga mode where there is no order, only chaos. Might makes right but next week some more powerful creature pops into existance.

>>96866892
Except it turns out that the shoe factory belongs to Blackest Soles, a fashion subsidiary of Pentex focused on footwear. Their shoes are made out of the leather of tortured animals and are infused with spiritual suffering, that leaves tracks of the Wyrm's taint wherever the wearers of these shoes wander.

But sabotaging the shoe factory isn't going to do anything other than leave a whole lot of people without jobs, while Blackest Soles just opens up a new factory in another town on the other side of the country, that will be pumping out even more tainted footwear within a year. So it's the responsibility of the werewolves to see to it that the people of the town are given new opportunities to work, that are more constructive and don't serve the purposes of the Wyrm. This is where the social butterfly tribes like the Glass Walkers and Children of Gaia and Shadow Lords and Silver Fangs enter the equation.

>>96867028
How would she deal with failures if the wyrm can't process the failed matter to restart the cycle? Mom should look into recycling some more

>>96867059
Damn, I'm guessing this is the fault of the Woofs somehow too

>>96867076
I see, kind of an interesting way to spin it

>>96867083
Of course it is, those dogs can't do anything right. Don't worry though, soon enough the Wyld is going to go nuts just like the Wyrm did.

>>96867073
Yes, but it isn't actively trying to make that happen. It's not fighting for absolute supremacy unlike the other two, it's just doing its job and unless it somehow goes bat shit crazy, it will always just do its job. This means that the chance of it being the only thing left is basically zero.

Meanwhile, the Weaver and the Wyrm are both gunning for their bad endings where they're the ones in charge and/or the only ones left, because they're both already bat shit insane and they're both already dangerously close to achieving their goals, hence the impending Apocalypse.

>>96867078
>failures if the wyrm can't process the failed matter to restart the cycle?
That's where we come in, with mom's permission

>>96867076
>So it's the responsibility of the werewolves to see to it that the people of the town are given new opportunities to work
Shame it mostly ends up with a lot of innocent people getting caught in the crossfire. It's funny, really
>Attack Pentex property
>People die
>Some people survive and a couple could resist delirium
>Turn into hunters / pentex grunts
>Repeat untill the veil collapses
If only they could look back at the things they've done without chimping out over mere suggestions that they fucked up.

>>96867186
That’s when you, cliath fresh out of your rite of passage comes in

Be the change you want to see in the Garou Nation

>>96867209
I think the change most WtA players want is more random killings and dog shagging

>>96867076
>This is where the social butterfly tribes like the Glass Walkers and Children of Gaia and Shadow Lords and Silver Fangs enter the equation.
Sorry but we can't have that. HIT marks, reinstate the pogrom, involve as many mages and hunter proxies as you can. Reinforce the consensus.

>>96867217
Damn I didn't know WtA's playerbase was made of white women

>>96867209
Sorry Anon but I'm a Weaver drone

>>96867225
What about passionate environmentalists somehow convincing the local government to improve quality of life in the area and ethical businesses to invest in the area breaks the consensus?

>>96867243
WtA players wish they were white women

>>96867259
Convince as in crash through the window as a 500 pound furball and eviscerate the entire office? I like the way you think

>>96867259
It's about letting reality d*viants have a say in what goes on. If it's not a human / technocrat mage it has to stop existing. Reality deviants aren't real, citizen. They're all fiction.

>>96867259
My apologies, Enlightened Citizen, the Syndicate would like a word.

>>96867259
This the Syndicate board? Yeah, it's the SPD calling, we need some help with a deviant problem.

>>96858844
from what I've heard they use up all the electricity and water in whatever area they operate a server in driving people into poverty just so that gooners can make porn, jeets can scam, and slop can be pushed on every platform nonstop.

now I don't know about you but that really feels like it's exactly something that Pentex would do

>>96867217
And you’re just going to let them walk over you like that?

>>96866967
That's the Glass Walkers but other garou go be pointing fingers because shouting "CORRUPTION!!!111!!1" at allies before slaughtering them all has worked wonders in the past

>>96867328
bold to assume I also don't want that
>>96867334
Based Woofs accepting no Nuance as the Litany dictates

How useful is this actually going to be?

>>96867209
What are you talking about, Anon? All I know is that Steve got ripped in half and whatever did that has to die.

>>96867378
How much of a generalist do you wanna be? Forgoing the generalist slant, it could be used to help sell the idea of your character being a prodigy or just talented in a handful of specific things.

>>96867259
>passionate environmentalists somehow convincing the local government to improve quality of life in the area and ethical businesses to invest in the area
Anon vampires and werewolves fantasy is one thing but that's just silly

>>96867378
If you generated a character with one dot in the ability and in the course of play raised it to the normal maximum of five dots, it could save ten experience across the life of that character. But you would spend most of that time not being very good at your thing and it would have been cheaper to do with freebies.

>>96867378
>>96867399
It's only for specific and closely related skills with justification. So a soldier who is precocious in close combat would benefit from raising both melee and brawl easier. So it's pretty bad unless your ST just lets you do it for every attribute which isn't usually the case.
>>96867447
This. It's a trap option. Avoid.

>>96867457
Well that's disappointing

>>96867468
Would be worth considering if it was 1 point instead of 3.

>>96859642
there have been actual real-life scientific research on psychic powers so of course they could believe in it, the SoE is the "what if [insert pseudo-scientific belief here] was actually real" faction

>>96867368
Well, if the garou can’t adopt a nuanced approach that will actually achieve victory over the Wyrm you won’t have any wolves to fuck since Pentex will have killed them all

The Weaver and the Wyrm clearly need to just fuck their issues out already.

>>96863500
it's the sleeping avatar

>>96867380
but what if Steve got ripped in half by that girl you were crushing on at work but she said she was sorry

>>96867563
I'm sure BSD's work just fine
>t. clueless

You know, for being a liberal/leftist majority general, you’d think using words like r*t*rd*d (the hard R) would be frowned upon here

everyone always asks werewolf but no one ever asks howwolf

>>96867618
Well I mean was that actually Steve? He had been acting pretty strange before she ripped him in half. Maybe she has a point, or maybe there's more going on besides his lack of shoes

>>96867631
I would if Forsaken got more love.

>>96867631
Don’t let harano get to you, brother, you do not need pity, only your Gaia given Rage

>>96866819
If you try to make too many attacks you basically end up throwing your balance off and having a good chance of smashing through the scenery instead (more than Dex or Wits, +3 difficulty, even if it's within your spending limit).

>>96867334
2e wallowed in that, Revised had Garou as a whole starting to actually do things that were effective (counterbalanced by Apocalypse coming out in 2004).

>>96867618
Stop trying to corrupt a stalwart soul on a mission against evil. I can feel you're one fo them.

>>96867024
Gaia is the Wyld as much as the Wyld is Gaia. Which is to say entirely but also not at all. Hope this helps.

>>96867630
I thought all of 4chan was comprised of autistic right wing chuds or the left wing authoritarians

>>96867826
but anon you don't understand the raging furball holy warrior of the Earth said she was sorry and that you were cute or something
It's pretty funny that this is the plot of Glenkildove

>>96867830
I hate the wolves and their retarded takes on spirits sometimes and creation

>>96867841
As a wise man once said:
>Avoid conversation with the lycanthrope. The lycanthrope will lie. The lycanthrope will make excuses. He will use concepts he don't really know. If he gets really desperate, he may start to talk or charm.

>>96867884
>Lycanthropes in WoD talking or charming instead of hulking out immediately
I'd be surprised if WtA sessions don't immediately start some encounters with the players trying to murder everything just because they can for once instead of planning it out

>>96867334
Glass Walkers are to busy playing at American Psycho. Shadows Lords and Silver Fangs are the only ones said to involve themselves in human politics, with CoG being the only ones who can effectively direct their kinfolk to take action.

>>96867593
Best part is what you said is canon

>>96867902
Well, they would have to be very desperate

>>96867902
>Party has all their first changes during a black friday at a Pentex owned super shopping center
>Hilariously, did more for the Garou than the previous ten operations combined.

>>96867630
We can reclaim.

>>96867951
How did that turn out? I'd figure turning all the shoppers into Mincemeat would actually not go well for the garou
>>96867944
>Desperate
>Werewolf with the ability to turn most hunters to paste before they even think of raising a gun and the ability to heal and shrug off injuries
That'd be kind of a rare circumstance

>>96868033
If they're going up against whatever killer cyborg or Resident Evil bioweapon made by the Progenitors they could be outmatched. That or it's an old dude with 7 dots in true faith and their rage hits zero.

>>96868062
>Old Dude with True Faith
That seems kind of based but it'd hardly be a WtA antagonist

>>96868071
I agree but it's hard to have woofs fight anything outside of themselves, mercenaries, banes or a government strike team calling in drone strikes. If you want to play the true faith angle you could go with and inquisitor / experienced hunter, they'd prefer to plan things out. A lot easier to murk a woof when he's in homid form and can be bombed, stabbed or shot in the back.

>>96868033
Some big unveiling was happening so quite a few middle managers and lobbyists were in the shopping center. Sucking each other off while their spouses and kids shopped.
Pentex security was also rather jaded about how violent and gorey Black friday shopping got, so they didn't register body parts flying as being too odd until blood splashed them.
The resultant fallout, more from politicians looking for blame and answers alongside upper management, turned the stumble into a hobbled walk that landed with a face plant.
Additionally the discovery that none of the middle managers backed up what they were working on caused things to get flung into the trash as they went back to the drawing board. On top of that there was an unattached Nephandi gang passing through that proceeded to beat themselves off over a 'sacrifice' well done that got credited for the shoddy sigils discovered in the shopping center.

>>96868093
>politicians looking for blame and answers
Could this have been the work of a far-left transsexual terrorist cell?!

>>96868092
>Party is hanging around after bar celebrating a cool assault they did that ended up rather noisy
>Mysterious old timer shows up and orders a drink next to them
>Starts preaching the bible and forgiveness and what not
>"It's not for me to forgive, but I sure can send them to him"
>Instantly mercs one of the players
That'd actually be really cool, good thing I don't ST for Werewolf games otherwise I'd probably have some angry players

>>96868093
Kek that sounds pretty hilarious

>>96867646
I'd rather spend all day laughing at how retarded Apocalypse werewolves are than waste a second thinking about how boring Forsaken werewolves are

>>96867832
It’s mostly both at this point. Leftists became the very thing they hate. Perhaps right wingers are becoming nicer now and both sides will even out.

>>96868119
Pretty much, people forget that the most dangerous hunters use their brains. No point in meeting the enemy on their terms, you're a guerilla so fight like one. That's how I imagined the Inquisition to work. 700 hundred years of experience catalogee and passed down to trained hunters. 5 randoms with garlic and wishful thinking? Easy. 5 dudes with weapons designed to kill you and knowledge of what you can do? That could be a big problem, especially if you don't know they're watching your every move.

>>96868143
What's the issue with Forsaken werewolf? I know they're basically just spirit cops without the melodrama but somehow still responsible for everything going wrong

>>96868107
Company men say otherwise.
So it's deeply disturbed good baptist, or mormon, boys that lost the light of God. They're on their way to hell as our Father intended, courtesy of Herculean ammunitions and guns.
Thoughts and prayers continue to go out to the victims as the culprits are picked up at varying suburban O'Tolleys that mysteriously fall under gang violence and gunfire when the swat arrive to arrest the culprits. Curiously mass shootings at fast-food joints are on the rise, though we can't be sure if it's connected to the culprits' behind the shopping center massacre

>>96868184
For what I understood, Forsaken woof are basically the equivalent (at least socially) of WtA Black Spiral Dancers

If I don't take athletics in V20, and I have 3 dots in Dexterity but no Celerity, and I'm gen 8 so I can emergency blood buff to +3 dex... how practical is that? I also have 3 dots in melee, if that matters. Mostly asking because I'm not sure how often athletics come up, and I'm also not sure how necessary it is to have athletics with brawl/melee.

Few years back some Anon had a chronicle with a pregnant gargoyle. Is he still with us?

>>96868437
Kind of hot. I need more details.

>>96868184
Back in the ancient days of Pangaea, when the border world between material and spirit was weaker, Father Wolf patrolled the border and maintained the balance. He fell in love with Luna, and their children, the Uratha, followed in his ways using gifts from their mother.

However, he grew old and weak, and could not perform his duties anymore, so most of his children got together and granted him an honorable death. Luna was not happy about this, so she cursed them and weakened their powers and made them weak to Silver. The ones who had honor swore to her that they and their kind would forever perform Father Wolf's Duty, and she lessened the curse upon them.

Those without honor bayed that they had not helped, that they should not be cursed, but also refused the Duty, and the codes of honor of the Uratha. They had the full curse left upon them, and called themselves the Pure, and foolishly believe that if they break the Balanceit would mean a return to the halcyon days of Pangaea.

>>96868226
The Pure (the antagonist faction) maybe. Packs of PC Uratha watch out for the balance between physical and spiritual both within themselves and their territory and Hunt to correct those imbalances.

>>96868598
>Kind of hot.
is it really?

Also of note is that the Black Spiral Dancers have their own counterpart in WtF, and they're called the Bale Hounds.

>>96868972
Tummy bursting is a little eye-rolly.

>>96868976
I thought it was the pure

>>96868062
>killer cyborg

Every tech Gift makes short work of those. And no, the countermagick they put on them from primium does not really matter; it's done at difficulty 8 and they only get four dice.

>>96869031
Nah, the Pure are basically the Red Talons written as antagonists.

What do I have to say to a nosferatu chick to let me hit it?

>>96868388
Just take a single dot in it so you are not completely fucked when you need to make some parkour or lift shit

>>96869068
"hi"

>>96869068
"Does that pussy got Potence"

>>96869085
>Potence
I laughed.
Then I got concerned. Is that a problem when fucking kindred?

>>96869115
If you're fucking kindred that's going to be the least of your problems.

>>96869115
Best brush up on fortitude, neonate.

>>96869115
It's only as much of a problem as fucking a gorilla.

>>96869058
Not quite, if anything it's the Predator Kings tribe under the Pure banner that is "Red Talons as antagonists". If anything the Pure as a whole are the Garou at their worst, while the Forsaken are the Garou at their semi-best (and the PCs are potentially the best).

>>96869167
Please elaborate on that, animalism-clan anon.

>>96869174
What is there to elaborate? It isn't a problem unless they go out of way to make it a problem.

Are methuselah the only npc vamps that break above 5 in skills? Excluding 3rds naturally. I've been looking around and I'm not really seeing any elders with a reasonable six in their best skill. Only ever a five.

>>96869531
Any kindred with a generation of 7 or lower can go above 5 in skills.

>>96868184
>What's the issue with Forsaken werewolf?
It's not Apocalypse. That's how oWoD purists think.

I actually think Forsaken is really cool, I wish it had kept some of the major spirits of Apoc as godlike Spirits but that's a minor complaint. (Bale Hounds/Maeljin are neat but I wouldn't mind a full blown Wyrm Celestine/Illusahim).

Forsaken does have a lot to like. It does a better job of capturing the "werewolf" feel without abandoning the spirit warrior conceit. The new enemies it adds are all really interesting. Its view of Spirits and the animistic world is more neutral, and it can encourage players to come up with their own conclusions about the world of spirit. It doubles down on the pack, teamwork stuff. The Sacred Hunt is very flavorful and can all but seal the doom of the character who is on the receiving end of that ritual. Each form has genuine strengths and weaknesses that encourages players to use all five, and warform has enough drawbacks that it isn't always the best response in a fight. It's still a very good response though, and it has merits that let you fully spec into one form. Rather than dervishes of blending claws (nWoD/CofD moved away from easy access to multi-attack and aggravated damage), Forsaken wolves feel a lot more horror movie monster, where they can shrug off anything but silver bullets or an overwhelming cavalcade of conventional damage (think 5+ shooters or a full-blown angry mob), especially in warform. Makes them more engaging to fight than Apoc wolves, which take the already rocket-taggy oWoD combat to a whole other level. This is not to say that Forsaken wolves can't be melee blenders, but it feels like they have more ways to build them.

It's not perfect, I'm a nitpicker through and through. It uses a lot of nonsense spirit words, but more importantly when it doesn't, it uses fairly dated if not outright inaccurate terminology like Pangaea. 1e bought into the "Alpha wolf dynamic" stuff that was popular at the time.

Recommendations on places to run vampire? I want it to be in a bad and run down place like detroit but I also want to be somewhat original and not set it in detroit

>>96869562
Set it in your home town.

>>96869562
Columbia. Make your players visit Brasil as they run from that screamer in the forests.

>>96869576
that screamer in the forests?

>>96869562
>I want it to be in a bad and run down place
Not as bad as Detroit, but why not Naples?

>>96869562
Choose either a city you're familiar with or would want to research anyway. Can be a shithole, can be nice, pretty much every city these days (and being entirely fair, for most of human history) has a shitty part of town. If you're a first timer, pick a less important city so you can keep the scale and stakes a bit more manageable.

You can read the official lore (if there is any) if you want some inspiration, but do not feel obligated to use any of it. If you do use any of it, feel free to modify it to your liking. This piece of advice is paraphrasing original White Wolf themselves by the way, metaplotfags can kick rocks.

>>96869585
What's wrong with naples?

>>96869582
A nictuku, supposedly, that keeps the sewer rats in their holes.

>>96869601
Poor and (mostly) ugly but also pretty interesting.

how do tremere square being false vampires of no relation to caine who are brainraped if they try to do anything a failed mage doesn't approve of

>>96869682
What?

>>96869693
Allow me to translate: why are the tremere such cucks?

>>96869703
>Tremere and his goonsquad go from being one of the bigger Mage players to posers incapable of true magic
>they still get wizardry of sorts
>and dominate (the only other cool discipline other than Tzimisce one and Dementation)
It's the small things

You should kill and diablerize all Tremere out of principle.

>>96869550
Interesting

>>96869693
>bunch of mages with immortal souls seek better immortality
>they fuck up
>they destroy their souls and achieve a shit version of immortality which they could have gotten by just getting bitten by some random kindred
>not true descendants of caine
>if a young tremere doesn't fall in line, he's forced to act in accordance with the clan's best interest by teleoperating elder tremere

>>96869703
Tremere, the mage, is a sore loser of the highest order Anyway, specifically for v5, it's cause the writers took the Tremere hate literally and rammed them into the ground with the thinnest reasoning possible.
Before that it was mostly just Tremere, Goratrix, and Etrius being the three stooges while everyone else did worthwhile things.

>>96869730
>>96869693
oh yeah, and the question posed at the end would have been, why don't they all walk into sunlight out of shame? I can't imagine fucking up so badly

There are too many vampires here. I'm sending out an all-points bulletin to any lurking hunters.

>>96869803
this cover art always made me laugh

>>96869803
Do you think it's possible for a street level hunter to get with a Valkyrie hottie?

>>96868437
>pregnant Demona
Fuuuuuuck.

>>96869853
Only insofar as a neighborhood watchman has a chance with an F.B.I. agent.

>>96869895
So you're saying there's a chance. I'll take it and ignore how controlling her handler is.

>>96869531
Basically the discipline cap goes
3rd 10
4th 9
5th 8
6th 7
7th 6

>>96869682
>false vampires of no relation to Caine
What are you talking about anon? They are technically a Tzimisce bloodline that gained 'legitimacy' with Tremere diablerizing Saulot.

>White Wolf made one of the seven OG clans a cheeky Ars Magicka reference
>Also decided to include Ars Magicka lore when making their weird ass reality is fluid wizard game
>Didn't think about any contradictions this could cause
>Insists they're the same setting and this makes total sense
>Now everyone starts making monkey noises whenever the Tremere come up

Could these niggas have thought anything through when they made WoD?

The average elder of a city can beat the average werewolf. Change my mind.

Kindred > garou.

>>96870040
... it takes a fucking Elder of all things to beat a furretard with anger issues?
Are you sure this is a flex?

>>96870127
Considering they think gutting a nosferatu fledging is the same as killing an elder, they're about equal.

>>96870013
Their only thoughts were "How could we make this cool sad boy ghost game better and how can we get it published"

>>96870040
I'm pretty sure you'd need an elder with at least 7 dots in a discipline for that, and even then your average furrytard can just roll up in your pimp cave at noon because you smell like dehydrated entropy

>>96869682
The Tremere appeared out of nowhere & quickly took control of Kindred society, out vampire-ing the vampires so fucking hard it's hilarious. Now everyone follows their rules since they helped found the Camarilla. I don't know which Clan got cucked or fucked the worst. Tzimisce because they stole his blood, only to turn around & them and Nosferatu and Gangrels by the dozens to make the iron Gargoyle slaves, Salubri who went from healers to villains & nearly eradicated all under Tremere propaganda, or Ventrue who used to be the rulers but now are beholden to the Tremere's Camarilla.

How pathetic are the other Clans that the Tremere can fuck each & every other Clan over, several times, enough that it should have earned them a kindred society wide kill on sight order, but they end up sucking Tremere cock instead? The Tremere step on to everyone's toes, they can do every other clans schtick just as well, if not better using blood sorcery. They even stole Necromancy secrets, & some even have innate Visicitude. The Tremere are the best kindred & they shouldn't even be there.

>>96870040
A Path of Conjuring Tremere with a ritual, can drop a Buick sized amount of silver onto a werewolf's head out of nowhere like a looney tunes skit. He can make it a simple cage, or a giant spike, or any other shape & form he wants. Not much a werewolf can do about that.

Or. Movement of the Mind to lift them into the air, Path of Transmutation to make a nearby tree insubstancial, move Garou to the tree & make it solid again. Or similar with a large chunk of silver.

Or Focused Mind plus Path of Blood & drain gallons of blood out of them dual casting Theft of Vitae or boil their blood double time, all while artificially making yourself a gen 4 with huge stat pools you can now power using all that blood you're ripping out of the werewolf

Sex with Sluagh women

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Every Gangrel player I met always picks a wolf as their spirit animal and nobody ever picks a bat.
Why? Bats are cooler than wolves.