Thread 96870831

Ty Lee Edition

>Bans
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-june-30-2025

>News
The 2025 Magic Con and Pro Tour Schedule:
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>Metagame Mentor: The Winners and Losers from Standard's 2025 Rotation
https://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-winners-and-losers-from-standards-2025-rotation

>Spoilers
http://www.magicspoiler.com/
https://mythicspoiler.com/

CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES
>Current meta, complete with deck lists
https://www.mtgtop8.com/
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/
>Build and share casual decks
https://deckstats.net/
https://tappedout.net/

CUBE RESOURCES
>Build and share Cubes
https://cubecobra.com/landing

CARD RESOURCES
>Search engines
https://scryfall.com/
https://mtg.wtf/

>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://www.makeplayingcards.com/
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM

>Play online for free
https://untap.in/
https://dr4ft.info/

>What is EDH?
https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1

>The Slop is for the Pigs. Pigs eat Slop.
https://x.com/RealPokemoki/status/1972817965847617963

>WotC's War Crimes
https://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)
https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)

>Previously
>>96864110

>TQ
Isn't an Avatar: The Last Airbender set about twenty years too late?

Tummy!

Forgetful Fish aka Dandân is getting a secret lair superdrop thing soon that's the fully playable 80 card shared deck with new art in the box, and Nick Floyd (the guy who invented Forgetful Fish) is getting nada from that, not even a namedrop or consultation
Remember when Magic players could design cards and those designs ended up in the game? Why is WotC so anti-players now?

nazis btfo

>>96870893
>food analogy

>>96870888
>Remember when Magic players could design cards and those designs ended up in the game?
i mean it still happens

>>96870977
I remember
https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=released&q=%21%22Solemn+Simulacrum%22+include%3Aextras&unique=prints

>australia modern RC trophy is a gigantic butt plug
It's fitting when you consider what they've done to Modern

>>96870986
what do you mean? It looks like the blue mana symbol

>>96870986
This post is a major self-report lmao

>>96870986
>it's fitting
ain't no way a plug that huge is fitting. how loose do you think that guy is? he isn't your mom.

>My wife gets the best card art.
As it should be

>>96871078
>ain't no way a plug that huge is fitting
Skill issue

>>96870831 (OP)
Why do people who actually hate fantasy, and the culture it was based on, come to a hobby whose foundational works are almost 100% based Northern European mythology and the cultures and creatures they wrote about.

>>96871263
There is an entire generation of artists / writers / etc right now who have been convinced that all things old are bad and new is good. It is going to be at least 10 years before we see a resurgence of "actually, old WAS better".

>>96871288
Forced meme

>>96871301
I'm afraid that resurgence will be just as much of a nostalgia washed caricature as the shit old people watch today about the 60s or 70s. People on the right will talk abou something like lotr as if it was painting a picture of some perfect white utopia, which is missing the point. Lotr as written by tolkien is a gritty, violent, backstabbing world set in pseudo-england that portrays that vast majority of men, hobbits, elves, and dwarves as selfish, weak people who have all but destroyed their world through complacency. Most of original fantasy settings and the stuff from the 80s/90s was dark, dirty, and full of shitbags.

Magic had originally been portraying a similarly gritty and weird setting up until a decade or so ago. Cards now are too clean. EVERYTHING is too clean. ATLA and FF cards have all the grit of a new iphone. I just don't believe any resurgence will be any better.

>>96871317
>Lotr as written by tolkien is a gritty, violent, backstabbing world set in pseudo-england that portrays that vast majority of men, hobbits, elves, and dwarves as selfish, weak people who have all but destroyed their world through complacency
What the fuck is this take? Basically everything bad that happens in LotR is due to external corrupting forces, namely the supernatural influence of Sauron or his proxies. The darkness in the heart of man is there for them to exploit, yes, but the prevailing stance is that men are basically decent unless corrupted or misled.
Now if you want to talk about the Silmarillion and elvish bullshit, that's a bit more complicated, although still most things are instigated by Morgoth or his proxies at the end of the day.

I don't understand Lutri. Why would you turn your deck into a singleton for one copy of instant or sorcery.

>>96871634
The companions were terribly designed with no specific environment in mind, other than to push a commander-like mechanic into non commander formats. Ironically, Lutri, as weak as it is, also got banned the earliest due to commander. The other ones have way less restriction and more immediate or recurring value.

>>96871634
Like a lot of post 2020 Magic, Companions were basically copying popular things from hearthstone. You already had 2 that copied the odd/ even thing from Genn and Baku whilst Lutri copied Reno

>>96871634
because it appeals to a specific type of player who wants to engage with the deckbuilding challenge of making a singleton deck in a environment where you'd never consider doing that on purpose
lutri isn't worth running a singleton deck from a power level perspective, but the fact that lutri exists encourages people to play a singleton deck

>>96871684
>MTG copying Hearthstone out of all things
How the mighty have fallen

it's almost cathartic in a way to start up arena, realize I'm immediately miserable as soon as my first game starts, and instead of trying to brute force some fun I just... uninstall it.
I have a genuinely toxic relationship with magic at this point and I'm not looking forward to when the bug bites me again in a year or so but at least I'm free for now

>>96871760
Theyve been doing it since arena my friend

Must be one of the weirdest lines of rules text out of the context of the set having earthbending.

>>96871978
>QT swampbender
we definitely have someone on the inside

Here's a pretty decent 1 drop.

>>96871988
that is going to be highly annoying

>>96871990
The cunny, tummy, and footfag stuff wasn't enough to tip you off?

>>96872002
Of course, this just further consolidates the claim

>>96870893
I am a big fighting game fan, or at least I was.
Shit Fighter 6 has massive problems and has divided the community in a big way. Ironically it has a very similar problem to what Magic is going through with new mechanics and characters making the gameplay extremely linear and shitty.
I doubt anyone here cares but seeing this is retard trying to use Shit Fighter 6 to defend UB is pathetic because THE SAME SHIT IS IN FIGHTING GAMES. There is crossover shit all over fighting games too and it SUCKS.

Alright it's time for the real discussion, what printing of Firebending Student are we all going to agree is the best?
>brown tomboy with foot focus
>cold-eyed bipolar girlfriend
>sweaty loli

>>96871996
>Vigilance
Isn't that a blue mechanic?

>>96871978
Still not digging the "anime screenshot" aesthetic, but I might be roused to do some work on a few artworks for this set if this keeps up.

>>96872093
It's more White than anything from what I've seen, even though there's a huge amount of colors that have it. Hell, even Scion of Draco seems to enforce it

SLOP FOR THE SLOP GOD

>>96872093
Vigilance is overwhelmingly white, but can regularly appear in essentially any color except red.

>>96872056
Are my eyes playing tricks on me or is that just the same girl getting older?

>>96872002
There's even GILFs.

>>96871988
SECRET TUNNEL! SECRET TUNNEL! THROUGH THE MOUNTAIN! SECRET, SECRET, SECRET, SECRET TUNNEL!

>>96872056
I still don't understand why she's a Monk. Also, are any of these artworks based on any particular episode?

>>96872253
>I still don't understand why she's a Monk.
feels like a variant on swiftspear

>>96872241
>Create a Clue Token
So they've consistently used this wording for every Avatar card that creates Clues so far. Has WotC decided to abandon the Investigate keyword?

>>96872261
Apparently. It's more of a broad "yeah if investigate feels flavourfully wrong we won't use it" but it's long-standing that investigate is considered a mistake because other artifact tokens don't have dedicated words for making them. And the only real reason they didn't change it was because of Erdwall Illuminator which if changed to "whenever you make a Clue for the first time each turn, make another one" would be not EXACTLY the same (batched creations would now affect it) but honestly who cares.

>>96872253
Nope, that's the funniest part.
The most likely ATLA card to see play will be someone artist's Donut Steel

I'm so fucking tired of these red creatures that just all win the game on untap so the opponent just plays 1-2 CMC creatures and every single one of them needs to be killed on the spot or they prolapse your asshole. You can't even just let one hit you or it explodes 10+ power out of nowhere. This shit is literally fundamentally broken. How do people tolerate it? They know that firebending slut is busted too which is why it's the Buy-A-Box card.

>>96872273
Orcish bow masters was the second strongest LOTR card after TOR so it wouldn't be the first time

>>96872273
>>96872283
this happens in any IP-based game, the devs are so focused on making the MCs super special awesome fancy guys that they forget that simple and efficient cards are what people actually use

>>96872301
>https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CCGImportanceDissonance

>>96872301
It happened in this game.
They wanted so bad to create iconic planeswalkers but the most memorable cards are Thalia, Stoneforge, Soul's Attendant, etc.

>>96872306
Case in point, god Yawgmoth still doesn't have a card, and Urza didn't have any cards representing him except Blind Seer for a long-ass time.

This is one of the most memorable Magic cards for me and it's basically just a draft bomb. He didn't even appear in the stories. It's just really soulful.

This avatar slop is pretty hideous...

>>96872328
I played the shit out of him. Great card.

>>96872312
actually it's more of a case they are too low intelligence to translate their powers into mechanics and didn't feel like just slapping a function with x or y character art lacking any flavor like they do today

>>96872310
There was so much SOUL in that block.
This might be the most SOULFUL Magic card ever.

>>96872301
Plenty of planeswalkers saw massive use, though.

Neat flavour, not sure if it's actually a good card though.

And, uh, this.

>>96872625
>yet there was no other word for it but victory
sometimes I forget how good magic flavor text could be, I can't remember the last time we got something on this level of kino especially paired with perfectly matched mechanics

>>96872632
How many Zuko cards will be have?

>>96872653
3 in the main set. Mono-red, Rakdos and Mardu for his season 1, 2 and 3 versions and then a couple in the Jumpstart set.

>>96872632
Seems...ok? You get some gas for a few turns and you can always sac him but I can't really think of any reason why you would play this over a multitude of other playables that BR already has access to.

>>96872306
>Super mega popular ip that totally actually isnt shit
>cant even fill an mtg set

>>96872037
Not to mention people getting sick of crossover characters like Negan in Tekken and Ronaldo in CotW

>>96872246
This was the encore at the Avatar TLA concert and it was pure kino

>>96872037
I win a lot in SF6 so it's good

>>96871978
Am I crazy or is this good?

Earthbending is a neat design, but is it on-theme for ATLA?

>>96872625
Yea, shame they fucked it up

>>96871978
>The friendly hicks who commune with nature are Blue Black purely because waterbending == Blue and swamps == Black
Not as bad as White Dragons being White mana, but still

>>96870831 (OP)
I'm really fucking discouraged by the current state of standard. It feels like it wasn't too long ago that different deck archetypes could at least survive in standard. Right now, if your deck doesn't have some crazy combo to goldfish a win on turn 4, you're completely fucked. We've seen aggro heavy metas, but this is insane for a format that should be the slowest official constructed format.

Like I can't take a deck brew seriously if it doesn't have a way to slam the door shut on a game by turn 4. Even if you live past turn 4 you're dead if you haven't completed your gameplan.

>>96872859
Earth bending in the show is about manipulating earth and chucking rocks at people so land animation is a pretty good mechanical equivalent

>>96872667
Is Jumpstart still only legal in eternal?

>>96872859
It would be more on theme if it was tapping your lands for damage rather than animating them but this works better mechanically I think

>>96872859
It's decent enough. Anything else would probably get overwrought fast.

>>96870977
honestly really hate that they just put the guys name as flavor text, just put it on the bottom

>>96872859
Not really. In fact, I don't think any of the bending stuff lines up with how they are mechanically doing it through MtG and I really don't get the narrative that "Avatar is a good fit for Magic" at all, I think it is just a lot of asspull from WotC cheerleaders.

>>96872056
Loli Jade

>>96872859
earthbend would make more sense turning lands into free-quipment that occasionally do additional things (ie sac to phase equipped creature out) but they probably didn't want to also directly introduce land sac benefits into standard

>>96872989
That feels way more complex for comparatively little benefit.

>>96872989
>they probably didn't want to also directly introduce land sac benefits into standard

This is exactly what they have done, albeit indirectly.

>>96872859
Earthbending is literally taking existing rock and earth and hurling it at people, they can't generate earth themselves (the only people who can create their element even when it's not present are firebenders) so I think it fits fine. You literally pick up a mountain and hurl it at somebody, then if they smash it you gather it back up tapped as a land.

Firebending would actually be 10/10 flavor if Mana Burn still existed as a concept. Firebenders can generate fire even without it present in the environment, and are the most directly powerful since they can even do shit like shoot lightning, but they don't get any natural fire resistance to their bodies so if they don't control it properly they can easily end up burned or even die practicing.

Generating like 15 mana with Firebending and Sozin's Comet, only being able to spend like 12 of it and getting burned for 3 damage because you couldn't control your Firebending properly would be super on theme. But they removed mana burn so now it's just "alright" instead of 10/10

I miss proper Magic.

>>96873019
yeah thats why I put directly in there

>>96873002
waterbending is incredibly low benefit versus cost in its color and airbending is only situationally better than just eot blinking, I feel like +type artifact - equipment is not significantly more complex than +type creature with all the caveats they gave the ability, and earthbending should not be making lands into golems that persist not only beyond any removal but also when the thing that earthbent them dies.

>>96872625
Saw someone playing this card and I was shocked with how sovlful it was. The art, the flavor. I wish I could hang it on my wall

>>96873109
Obviously the mechanic is not going to be 100% conveying what earthbending is like. Keying the lands to the creature that animated them would be a chore. Ultimately, "disposable land animation" is a very good way to convey the core of the concept (making earth constructs and throwing them at the enemy) through the mechanics of the game.
And i have to disagree with you on waterbending. While the mechanic itself is kind of a big nothing, the various cards they've printed with extremely high waterbending costs for a huge splashy wacky effect turned me around on it.

>>96873033
Is Magic just not for us anymore? I wonder…

>>96873109
>I feel like +type artifact - equipment is not significantly more complex than +type creature with all the caveats they gave the ability
It is. It's +type artifact, +the equip ability/free equip, +abilities to make them worth equipping, even if it's just a flat +1/+1, and considerably more complex balancing, because equipments do nothing if there are no creatures to equip them to; how do you make a set where 1/4 of the main mechanics literally do nothing?

>>96873173
One of the most flavorful cards every printed. This one is my personal favorite

>>96873344
OG Kamigawa sure was soulful

>>96873365
Shame they fucked it up

play

premodern

>>96873378
I know, anon... I like premodern too

in fact, I took it as inspiration for the card game I'm developing, you know

>>96873378
I

Don't want to

Today is Maro's 30th anniversary of working with WotC. Say something nice.

>>96873398
faggot
enjoy your slop

Oh damn. I didn't know WotC was making a set for William-Adolphe Bouguereau!

>>96873414
pardon?

>>96873409
He was lead designer of Shadowmoor, the best of the block.

>>96873424
If you know you know.

>>96873224
waterbending literally doesn't do anything either, it's not even an alternative cost and mostly just serves as a negative on the cards its printed on

>>96873409
How much things he destroyed.
Press S to spit on this man name.

>>96873434
I'm afraid I don't...
care to enlighten me?

>>96873439
Like what?

>>96873440
>care to enlighten me?
Well since you asked.
Bouguereau was a renowned 19th century painter who, throughout his 80 year lifetime, painted a simply profane amount of, well...

>The Knitting Girl (1869)
>The Elder Sister (1869)
>Italian Girl at the Fountain (1870)
>Girls At The Fountain (1897)
>Sewing Girl (1898)
>The Bohemian Girl (1890)
>The Goose Girl (1891)

The list goes on.
I'm sure you can figure out for yourself.

>>96873466
yes, that much I know...

but they are REALLY making a set or something?
or you are just pulling my leg?

>>96873471
Anon,
>>96872056
It's a joke.

>>96873478
>It's a joke

>>96873486
I didn't say it was a good joke.
>or
You just have bad taste.
>or
That sounds like a you problem.

>>96873438
It's essentially improvise + convoke, though.

>>96872859
>Earthbending is a neat design,
It's Awaken, anon, the premier mechanic of one of the worst limited environments of all time.

>>96873365
that's some sad flavor text

>>96873510
Not all land animation is Awaken

>>96873409
He compromised his morals for cash. It's a shame

SIT THE FUCK DOWN WIZARDS.
SIT THE FUCK DOWN AND GET SCHOOLED.
SIT THE FUCK DOWN AND SAY SORRY WIZARDS.
I'M SO PROUD OF NOT GIVING YOU ANY MONEY HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

GET THE FUCK OUT WIZARDS.

>>96873460
The Pinkertons are on their way

>>96873569
wrong subreddit

>>96872609
u r brown lol

>>96873569
How is each TCG doing financially anyways?

>>96873460
>avatar
Who the fuck cares.

>>96871988
pretty flavorful but you have to know the context of the show

Someone post the Cruel Tutor pic.

>>96873576
Get the fuck out zoomie.

>>96873632
Me. I do.

>>96873460
>North Pole Gates
>Not a Gate
These Lands with creature keywords seem like fun, considering they're perfectly usable as a utility land.

>>96873653
Reddit is that way.

>>96873666
Nice try to lead me astray, Satan. But no.

>>96872981
Agreed, and even worse, you have 4 similarly named mechanics that all function differently

>>96870831 (OP)
Look, someone sprayed liquid shit all over magic cards again. Many such cases. Sad!

more teenage midriff coming up!

and rapeface aang

>>96873460
>Yuyan Archers is a common
They made the fucking one-off zookeeper guy who didn't even do anything into a rare, but the fucking Yuyan Archers are draft chaff?

>>96873889
God I love brown girls

>>96873889
this is problematic...

Bumi says fuck lands I guess.

>>96873930
AAAAAHHH
WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!?!

And the requisite new version of this fucking card effect.

>>96874068
>Non basic
Cowards!

>>96874073
>Black artifact removal
I hate wotc

>>96874073
Cute Mai

And a crew-less Vehicle. They seem to be doing more of these lately.

>>96874073
are those...breasts!???
AHHHHH!!!!!
SAVE ME LOOT!

>>96874090
Why the fuck is it even a vehicle then?
Just make it a regular artifact you morons.

>>96874082
reading the card explains the card

And the Lesson version of this fucking effect.

>>96874096
Flavour, Vehicle synergies, they just wanted to.

>>96874090
The flavor of waterbending to "crew" it is something, but what a fucking weird implementation.

>>96874082
stupid mf

>>96874068
>maro's land destruction hint was "destroy target land creature'

I mean, we knew there was a bad catch, but still...

NOT ON MY WATCH!!!!!

>>96874159
It's also unconditional nonbasic destruction. We don't usually get it that efficient without giving them a basic in return.

>>96874170
GIVE THEM BACK YOU MONSTER!

>>96874178
NEVER
NOBODY IN THE MULTIVERSE IS SAFE FROM ME

>>96874170
Loot! No! Someone call boobanon.

>>96874170
as a DFC enjoyer, I appreciate your work

>>96874073
Yeah affinity/black ichor piles really needed another boost in pauper!

>>96874073
>Sorcery

>>96874170
>/mtg/ now edits card art to have smaller boobs
Maybe we really are dead and this is just some abstract form of hell

>>96874170
The title of "Greatest Thief in the Multiverse" found a new holder when Dack Fayden died.

they're really pushing randos as firebenders for some reason

>>96874073
>We need UB shit to get actual cute female art
This fucking company, Jesus Christ…

>>96874219
I mean they have to make generic creatures somehow.

>>96874073
Mai looking good!

>>96872269
I do. This is interestimg to me, since this logic undermines the value of keywords as abbreviations to communicate common mechanics. If you play an artifact deck you'll likely do lots of investigating and even saving a handfull of characters could be the deciding factor in makeing new cards seem like either complicated slop or simple, fun cards.

>>96874224
Why are you gay?

>>96874200
Well yeh, these effects usually are

>>96874256
They've long since said they consider investigate a mistake, which is why no other token has a specific keyword action to make it.

>>96874299
Clues are meant to broadly represent the Fire Nation's search for the Avatar, so it being destroyed means the Avatar left traces, I guess? It's a bit awkward, but not every card makes sense flavourfully.

>>96874315
>Clues are meant to broadly represent the Fire Nation's search for the Avatar,
Wow, how uninspired and boring.

>>96874322
I mean, it is inspired by the definition of the word.

>>96874327
>He doesn't know what words mean.
lol.

>>96874315
i've seen like ten clue cards so far, and not once I've thought about the search for the avatar
bit of a flavor fail if that was the intention

>>96874348
I think it was mostly meant as mechanical glue and they sort of backfitted the flavour of it.

>Cehivles
>Clues
>Sagas
WHAT A UNIQUE, FRESH AND INNOVATIVE SET

>>96874289
I get that, but couldn't they've made keywords for other token artifact generation to even the playing field? Is the "batched creation" interaction that important to things like treasure or food tokens?

>>96874073
>strictly worse Annihilating Glare

>>96874358
It's just tarkir III

>>96874370
Pauper doesn't have Walkers.
It's Glare 5-8.

>>96874358
Are you fucking stupid? You want more parasitic one off mechanics? You would like to swing on the web?

>>96872056
The brunette with bangs with exposed midrif is hot

>>96874381
>Pauper doesn't have Walkers.
...yet

>>96874366
They don't like keywords for token artifact creation is the point. They're not making "create a Food" into "cook" because they don't like investigate.

>>96874393
They missed their shot with War of the Spark

>>96874299
Why does a boat have reach instead of islandwalk?

>>96874448
it has catapults

>>96874396
>market research has shown the newer generations want to cook, so we're letting them! :)

>>96874457
I want to cook and plunder and investigate!

>>96872056
>the loli wants to be pumped

>>96872220
No, the middle version is a Sun Warrior, which is a separate, isolated culture from the rest of the fire benders. They're mesoamerican themed, which is actually really weird now that I think about it.

>>96872646
this one seems nuts in limited

>>96872646
Insane midrange card.

>>96872873
I mean, the physical aspect of whatever you're channeling has always been a factor in assigning colors. Personality is generally secondary to whatever method you're using to interact with mana, like how Tetsuo is Grixis even though he was kind and heroic to everyone he met.
Blue: Water, wind, and ice
Black: Death, decay, swamps

https://scryfall.com/card/a25/57/flash
Im surprised that a card that's banned in legacy & commander, and restricted in vintage is so cheap.

>>96873637
Wew the jewish secret tunnel got a card

>>96874819
>Im surprised that a card that's banned in legacy & commander, and restricted in vintage is so cheap.
why wouldn't it be cheap? you can't play it anywhere and it's not reserved list

>>96874819
You mean a card that barely sees any play is cheap?

>>96874448
Wotc doesn't use landwalk anymore, and their siege weaponry was notably good enough to swat non-airbenders out of the sky.

There is a Magic boom in Ba Sing Se.

>>96870888
>tfw bob isnt playable in a single format anymore

>>96874819
its cheap precisely because it cant be played anywhere

>>96874073
Damn she cute
>>96874170
Improved

>>96870611
>>96870657
>>96871518
Huh that makes sense. Though that style of saprolings are a lot greener in color in that art than the other art

https://scryfall.com/card/pal04/10/mise

Would this be gamebreaking if it was legal?

>>96874942
>ancestral recall but only if you have brainstorm in hand
eh

>>96873582
Hasbro is doing a lot worse than Konami while also being worth about half as much. Konami has other profitable areas like videogames while Hasbro's mostly a legacy toy manufacturer who's been struggling to turn an actual profit in anything besides D&D or Magic for years while losing tons of money with 95% of their franchises. It's why Magic is getting milked so fucking hard the last couple years, there's even investors who wanted WOTC spun off as an independent entity from Hasbro but that hasn't happened and probably won't

An offensive disenchant.

>>96874942
Yes. It would be banned in legacy and modern and would severely limit the ability to print cheap surveil/scry in standard. Probably restricted in Vintage.

>>96874972
>Disenchant
>but strictly better
>and also even better than that
>oh also plus it's modal
One of the best spells ever printed, unironically.

>>96874159
nonbasics are so ridiculously proliferated at this point that you can win entire Legacy tournaments running 4x copies of Price of Progress in the main deck, not sideboard.

even EDH precons these days come with single digit numbers of basic lands, it's ridiculous.

oink oink
bros
i'm eating up these spoilers
i'm getting hyped
just preordered some collector's booster
oink oink

>>96874219
>they're really pushing randos as firebenders for some reason
literally the only notable firebenders in the show are zuko and his immediate family.

>>96874391
yeah if this card's gonna be the one we see 4x of for the next ten years like monastery swiftspear at least she's got some hot artwork

>>96874996
Colorless nonbasic hate needs to roll around at some point to put it in check. Every color should have access to something on par with Blood Moon.

>>96875002
Boy does it feel good to love i Nebraska!

>>96874942
idk about gamebreaking but there's enough Scry and similar effects that let you look at the top of your library it would be an autoinclude in basically every format.
An important part in reducing its power is that even if you know your next card, if it's a land you get no benefit from casting this. So it's not guaranteed to be 1 for draw 3 even with a lantern effect in play.

On the other hand, fuck lantern control so keep it banned

>>96874983
and it's in green instead of white despite giving counters and indestructible.....no justice

>>96875057
>and it's in green instead of white despite giving counters and indestructible.....no justice
Anon, white gets hexproof now. Green is indestructible now. Get with the times.

>>96875063
white gets both because protection is its wheelhouse and those are both protection effects (since they don't really do "Protection from X" much anymore)

>>96875077
>white gets both because
WotC has no regard for the color pie.
Yes, we know.

>>96875063
>>96875084
White always had both, we just called the hexproof Protection back in those days.

>>96875084
"hexproof" and "indestructible" are both modern variations on the original Protection keyword. Indestructible covers damage and destroy, hexproof covers targeting, Protection covers both targeting and damage while also giving unblockable.

They're not gonna print Mother of Runes back into Standard any time soon because it's "too confusing" or "feels bad" for noobs despite shit like "THE RING TEMPTS YOU" and "ENTER THE DUNGEON" making it in which is a whole other deal.

>>96875095
Half right, indestructible is just the modern variant of Regeneration.

>>96874972
my wife is the best

>>96872037
*DIs this post*

>>96875004
>jeong jeong
>Zhao
>the sun warriors
of the top of my head

>>96875095
And also because they don't want to Mothers constantly protecting themselves so they have to make it legendary.

How soon until we get the effect on a 1 cmc white instant?

>>96875156
being legendary wouldnt stop mom from protecting herself, it's the "a target" vs "another target" that matters which they already "fixed" with Giver of Runes who at least screws over affinity and eldrazi in return for the nerf

>>96874972
Very good side board card, an upgrade over pawpatch formation in many instances.

more lessons

>>96875093
>White always had both,
WRONG, YOU RETARD.

>>96875162
we already got pic related which is functionally equivalent to exile a lot of the time, there's also "exile target creature that damaged you" which works against attackers but also anything that pings face

>>96875190
white has had shroud since the 90's, when shroud and Protection from X were retired in favor of hexproof they get it now too

>>96875230
Not relevant. Enchantress protection is not combat trick indestructible.

>>96873569
I trust in the chandra Netflix series to flop _ _ !

>>96875237
>is not combat trick indestructible.
which one are you disputing, that hexproof is White or that Indestructible is white? because both are true (nevermind that Indestructible is also functionally Colorless since it's associated with artifacts and anyone can have it that way). Hell, the first time the word "indestructible" was used was on a white card in Alpha. It's been Gideon's main deal since he was introduced too.

white's had instant speed indestructible combat tricks since Dark Ascension, before that it had instant speed Protection From X (like Emerge Unscathed which was 2010)

>check amazon just out of boredom
>spiderslop box to 110 bucks
>check cardmarket
>its 85 bucks
holy hell this set flopped really really badly

i thought about getting a box now that its somewhat reasonably priced but nah, i ain't giving them the sale

>>96875289
>which one are you disputing, that hexproof is White or that Indestructible is white? because both are true
WRONG.

IMAGINE being so fucking retarded that you actually state, in earnest, "Hexproof is white" holy fuck how do people with brains the size of peanuts like you even fucking exist.

hexproof is red

>>96875310
but hexproof is white, for the same reason shroud is white and protection is white. Now you're asshurt about hexproof? before you were mad about Indestructible combat tricks. Do you honestly think White isn't primary in both of those effects? White's literally THE protection color.
You keep flip-flopping back and forth. You said "enchantress protection is not combat trick indestructible", but then when presented with combat trick indestructible from fucking dark ascension now you're mad about Hexproof again. Make up your damn mind.

White gets both, because White=Protection

>>96875310
gee I wonder why people think protection from being targeted is white....

>>96875338
Hey, captain retard, players aren't creatures. Try again.

>>96875352
When Protection was dropped, Indestructible was given to white and Hexproof to green. HEXPROOF. IS NOT. IN WHITE'S. COLOR PIE.

>>96875352
You don't understand, because hexproof didn't exist in 1997 that means White can't have it! White having Shroud also doesn't count, even though Shroud was retired and Hexproof completely replaced it!>>96875358
>When Protection was dropped, Indestructible was given to white and Hexproof to green. HEXPROOF. IS NOT. IN WHITE'S. COLOR PIE.
IDK where you got this fanfiction but that's completely untrue. White has ALWAYS had access to Shroud (pic related is fucking MIRAGE in NINETEEN NINETY SEVEN) and Hexproof is the functional replacement of Shroud.

>>96875352
SOUL

>>96875358
>players aren't creatures. Try again.
okay here's a card from 29 years ago with white having the equivalent of hexproof on creatures (at instant speed, even!)

>>96875374
>You don't understand, because hexproof didn't exist in 1997 that means White can't have it! White having Shroud also doesn't count, even though Shroud was retired and Hexproof completely replaced it!
All false. 100% incorrect statements without even a single word of truth.
Hexproof existed since 1995 and it was GREEN.
And wow look at you posting shit examples that aren't to do with what we are talking about. Yes, white gets Flagbearer effects. These are not the same thing.

>IDK where you got this fanfiction but that's completely untrue. White has ALWAYS had access to Shroud
WRONG, RETARD. White conditionally had access to flagbearer-like effects. Guess what, moron? There is exactly ONE white creature with Shroud, and it is Calcider, a planeshifted Blastoderm in the set intentionally designed to show things THAT ARE NOT WITHIN A COLOR'S REAL SLICE OF THE PIE.

>>96875385
>artifact
Not creature. Try again.

I thought the schizo usually complains about other colours "stealing" mechanics from white but now he's complaining about white taking abilities from other colours lmao

>>96875434
I CARE ABOUT THE INTEGRITY OF THE GAME'S MECHANICS
I DO NOT CARE WHAT COLOR IS BREAKING THAT INTEGRITY

>>96875408
hexproof wasn't keyworded until Duels of the Planeswalkers 2012 (which despite the name actually came out mid-2011) and the moment it existed as a Keyword, White already had access to it lol.

IDK why you're so obsessed with such a retarded losing argument. Hexproof and Indestructible have always been White effects because White is the protection color.

>>96874819
>>96874831
>>96874851
>>96874911
Is flash broken outside of protean hulk combos?

>>96875449
>hexproof wasn't keyworded until Duels of the Planeswalkers 2012
Wow I don't care.

>and the moment it existed as a Keyword, White already had access to it lol.
And they should not have received it.
That is a green and white card, not a mono white card.
Now fuck off with your ceaseless fucking advocacy for the game to degenerate into a pile of worthless, indistinguishable slop.

Hexproof this, color pie that
Why don't we discuss all the white mana Ugin pumped into Bolas and the impact this will have on their upcoming cards?

>>96875457
yeah, 2 mana get an atraxa trigger is pretty stupid

>>96875457
its good with any etb or death trigger in reanimate decks

>>96875482
>His massive cock head....
What did they mean by this?

>>96875459
>Wow I don't care.
okay, well I do. We're arguing about "HEXPROOF" and "INDESTRUCTIBLE" as specific keywords, and those keywords have always existed in White since first being printed. Even similar mechanical effects that were not keywords, and had their effects written out differently for each card featuring them, have always existed in white.
But it's categorically false to say that Hexproof and Indestructible aren't white. "Hexproof" as an evergreen keyword did not exist until 2011. Starting in 2011 White got Hexproof and Indestructible cards. Hexproof and Indestructible are White and always have been.

>>96875490
>"WotC has been fucking up forever, so they should continue to fuck up."
It requires pure stupidity to make a claim like this.

>>96875457
With how pushed modern etbs are it would still be insanely broken and lead to a bunch of dumb combos

>>96875495
>>"WotC has been fucking up forever, so they should continue to fuck up."
Have you considered that maybe it's not wotc who are wrong, but you? IDK who can look at White and say "Protection from Any Color is 100% White. Indestructible is 100% white. Shroud is 100% white. But HOW DARE THEY PRINT HEXPROOF ON WHITE???"

>>96875524
"aura" is ebonic which makes it inherently a black mechanic

>>96875530
"oh but it doesnt say creatures for these two" haha yeah, it's not like they'd make multiple entire planes heavily featuring artifact creatures.....

>>96875513
>Have you considered that maybe it's not wotc who are wrong, but you?
No, because it is WotC that is wrong.

New fags

>>96875530
>Artifacts.
>>96875547
>Artifacts.

>"oh but it doesnt say creatures for these two"
Why would you post this if you literally already know you are wrong.
Why would you post proof that you know you are wrong alongside it.

>>96875561
the schizo is arguing that hexproof is an exclusively Green mechanic and isn't comparable to Protection From Any Color, despite the entire reason Hexproof existing to be as a replacement for Shroud and Protection

>>96875577
>the schizo is arguing that hexproof is an exclusively Green mechanic and isn't comparable to Protection From Any Color
You are unable to parse arguments accurately.

>>96875487
Bolas is a hung bottom

>>96875582
no thats exactly what he's saying
>>96875408
>All false. 100% incorrect statements without even a single word of truth.
>Hexproof existed since 1995 and it was GREEN.
"Hexproof" as a keyword only exists since 2011 and it was always available to White from the very moment it existed.

However, the Schizo believes this is a mistake, and that Hexproof has ALWAYS been Green and never should have been printed on White cards despite them having access to Protection and Shroud and Indestructible

Now Black indestructible that's some peak colour pie right there

>>96875596
>no thats exactly what he's saying
Wrong. Learn to read.

>"Hexproof" as a keyword only exists since 2011 and it was always available to White from the very moment it existed.
Every example of it being available to creatures was a color pie break.

>>96875600
You (The Schizo) believe Hexproof, despite not even being a keyword until 2011, is actually a fully Green mechanic and has been Green exclusive since 1995. That is exactly what you're saying.
White having had access to Protection since alpha is likewise not up for debate.
Shroud and Hexproof aren't 1:1 but even then White has had Shroud on creatures since 1996

>>96875613
>You (The Schizo) believe Hexproof, despite not even being a keyword until 2011, is actually a fully Green mechanic
I do not.

>and has been Green exclusive since 1995.
It has.

>That is exactly what you're saying.
Your assumption that pure denotation is enough to parse an argument is stupid.

>Shroud and Hexproof aren't 1:1
Fact.

>but even then White has had Shroud on creatures since 1996
Name one that isn't from Planar Chaos.

>>96875628
here's mirage
>UH DUDE THAT'S FLAGBEARER
no it isn't. Flagbearer is "If an opponent plays a spell or ability that could target X, that player chooses at least one X as a target" which isn't remotely the same as Shroud, which is symmetrical and doesn't let you bypass with multi-target abilities

>>96875646
>As long as its controller controls another creature.
Please explain how that is not a conditional effect.

>>96875665
if you're fine with conditional effects why are you seething about karametra's blessing earlier?
>If it's an enchanted creature or enchantment creature
"Please explain how that is not a conditional effect"
:^)

>>96874073
>she never missed
Are you kidding? Her knives never once hit an actual person, they only ever hit their clothes. I get that Nick would never allow it, but it always looked goofy. They should have worked withein the restrictions and given her some other fighting style that wouldn't be subjected to censorship.

>>96875700
I am not fine with conditional effects.
White should not get hexproof, ever, under any circumstances.
Shroud is not hexproof, it is symmetrical, they are not comparable as mechanics even in the slightest.

>>96875705
that actually shows how ridiculously skilled she is, she's like green arrow or batman where she's using a lethal weapon but has such good aim it's always non-lethal, same way green arrow will pin people's clothes

>>96875013
>no haste
>two mana

>>96875705
Kind of like how firebenders are rarely allowed to actually burn anybody.

>>96875719
Hexproof IS the functional replacement for shroud though and is basically being used in the places shroud would have been before, because that's how updated mechanics work

>>96875741
>Hexproof IS the functional replacement for shroud though
No it is not even remotely similar, actually. They are extremely different mechanics.

>>96875746
Fear vs Shadow vs Menace are also different mechanics, that doesn't change the fact Menace was introduced to replace earlier "can't block unless X" shit. Indestructible also works differently than Regenerate

>>96875795
Yes and those also aren't relevant to the topic of hexproof so I don't know why you would bring them up.

One of the first Hexproof cards

>>96875820
>Artifacts
Not creatures. Try again.

>>96875823
you keep changing your arguments. First you say "hexproof has always been green and never been white", now you're making distinctions between CREATURE hexproof vs ARTIFACT hexproof.
Which is it? And that also ignores the obvious reality that it's trivial to run artifact creatures which make the difference between "Creatures have hexproof" and "artifacts have hexproof" totally moot.

>>96875823
You can't target me with your bullshit.

All this talk about color pie, but to me the biggest color pie break is that colorless gets to do everything, even stuff that certain colors aren't supposed to do.
For example, if I made a 4UU 6/6 creature with Deathtouch and Lifelink, it would be a color pie break, because Blue isn't supposed to have those. And an even bigger break if when it died it created a 3/3 with Deathtouch and a 3/3 with Lifelink. But if I make it a colorless Artifact card suddenly it's OK.
Colorless should either only do stuff every color can do, or have their cards cost a lot more.

>>96875746
>Not even remotely similar
They're identical mechanics with the only small difference being shroud prevents you from targeting your own stuff aswell whilst hexproof is opponent only

>>96875848
Yes arguments shift based on the stupid arguments they are replying to. That is how conversations work, moron.

>>96875872
Yeah, or how if The One Ring were a Red card, everyone would rightfully call if a color pie break. There's too many good generic colorless cards.

>>96875872
underrated argument

>>96875872
The difference is that it's an artifact, which are regarded as a vulnerability that makes the creature a risk. If it was a blue artifact creature.. it would be less of a problem, the main reason now being it has no reason to actually BE blue.
That or it's an eldrazi, in which case it's supposed to be doing stuff that no color is allowed to do at the cost of being deliriously expensive.

>>96875944
Everything you said is only true in theory. Artifact hate is underpowered and color pie locked. Eldrazi were deliriously expensive in ROE, then they forgot about that part and we got eldrazi winter.

New thread
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>>96875981
>new thread on page 2
>not even close to image limit
what the hell

>>96875872
>For example, if I made a 4UU 6/6 creature with Deathtouch and Lifelink, it would be a color pie break, because Blue isn't supposed to have those. And an even bigger break if when it died it created a 3/3 with Deathtouch and a 3/3 with Lifelink. But if I make it a colorless Artifact card suddenly it's OK.
ahhh, wurmcoil engine. crazy how far power creep has come in the last 15 years that now it doesn't even register compared to the all the bullshit that gets printed nowadays.

yeah, "artifacts/colorless can do anything if you pay enough" has been responsible for some of the most broken metas in the game's history, especially since artifacts are ALSO often associated with cost reduction mechanics like Affinity, Phyrexian Mana, Improvise, or even the new Waterbending.

>>96875180
I don't remember seeing much that interacts with lessons which is strange

>>96875385
Anon, he's just trolling. it's like trying to win an argument with an opossum. he doesn't even know what his own position is

>>96873569
YGO is too on rails for me to like it, but it being so on rails is how they can easily print structure decks that are just a few staple interaction pieces away from being competitive. to do that in Magic you need to actually make a good deck first and at that point might as well return to the old "champion decks" series

>>96871263
Which part of Northern European mythology are the phyrexians from?

>>96874268
Anon, that's UB too, or at least created due to UB shit AND arena only.

>>96874268
So this is the power of Universes Within...