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Looking to update a few things around here. Anyone up for making a new printer matrix spreadsheet? Nothing fancy just screen size/xy size/cost/ect.

>>96889649
problem with that is that depending where you live, prices are way different and taxes keep on changing, so only the size, resolution part would be useful.

>>96889649
Just tell me what you have, what you want, and I'll tell you what to get
That'll be faster and easier

>>96889973
Use US as a standard price. It's more to compare than be actual pricing
>>96889997
It's for the OP. The last one hasnt been updated since... 2022?

Reminder: Only retards and people with AIDS think resin fumes are dangerous.
>But Muh MSDS
Notoriously exaggerated, for example the MSDS for sand lists the recommendation that you wear nitrile gloves, a mask, and eye protection when handling it. Sand. They are published solely for the purpose of covering the company's ass so anything and everything that could happen with a substance is taken into account. That only some resins have a respiratory irritation caution and the ones that do are category 3 (same as many household cleaners) should put it into perspective. Do you wear a respirator when you mop your floors? Well maybe some AIDS cases do.
>But Muh VOCs
A lot of stuff has them, like Glade Plugins for example. Resin variety has a lot to do with the volume of VOCS they produce, but of the six varieties tested in the below study the average TVOC was about 586 µg/m3. Glade Plugins are generally between 300 and 600 µg/m3 for a room the size of most print rooms. They do have different VOCs, but neither have any of the truly bad VOCs in large amounts.
Source: https://www.mdpi.com/2075-5309/14/11/3343
>But Muh Internet Search Results
Unless you are looking at an actual study with data you are getting people's opinion, often based entirely off of other people's opinion. You can also find articles telling you how gluten is poison and tomatoes cure cancer. Things like ChatGPT and other AI programs just scrape the internet and as a result will often present these opinions as facts. Look into the actual science and studies that have been conducted and review the data.
>Summary
Resin fumes are no worse than Glade Plug-Ins. There is enough scientific evidence to support that conclusion that is freely available. Anyone who says otherwise is a retard, AIDS case, or some combination of both.

>>96890268
fuck off you attention seeking retard

>>96890142
>It's for the OP. The last one hasnt been updated since... 2022?
Dear god. I just looked at it, retro as fuck.
Also the best printer for its price is the Saturn 3 non-Ultra.

>>96890273
Never, I am here to stay faggot.

Adrian needs to leave.

How hard will it be to sculpt this guy in blender? Might even just sculpt the basic body then steal some heads and sword arms from thingiverse and copypaste them all over it.

are there any guides for how to repose cavalry mini STLs so they're standing instead of riding?

>>96893052
maybe you should read the op before asking dumb questions

>>96890286
NTA but I have a Mars 2 Pro and I am really debating on whether I should upgrade on Cyber Monday. Right now it prints successfully (the last threads image was printed with it) and I don't really mind multiple prints so I don't think I need a Saturn series. Will I really appreciate any of the features a Mars 5 (of any kind) have or should I just wait another year?

>>96893440
damn.

>>96893504
>or should I just wait another year?

Mars 6 wont be a huge step forwards compared to the 5.
The step from 2 to 5 (4 already) is massive, the print speed alone is worth it.

>>96893831
>Mars 6 wont be a huge step forwards compared to the 5.
It really won't. Expect marginal increases in print quality from changes in the backlight and improvements to the tilt mechanism, maybe making maintenance easier.
Looking at the cutting edge companies like heygears, they are mostly the same as a Mars 5, plus shit like resin pumps, mixers, heaters, automatic calibrators and air compressors for rarefied air in the printing chamber (which apparently is great), but all of that would blow the Mars budget by a wide margin.

does anyone have any recs for long-haired space marine stls? I can't find any good pretty boy types for blood angels, the few I've found are for furry marines and have braids and beards and whatnot. paid or otherwise doesn't matter to me I'll buy them if they're decent enough

>>96889640 (OP)
>My sculpt is the OP
Ayy that's nice

I saw this in another thread, and I really want to make a real Daily Dose as a gift for my friend. Google seems to get worse and worse every day when it comes to actually finding what you want.

Has no one ever really done their own Daily Dose as an STL? I find that hard to believe.

>>96895903
gb2/toy/

>>96892667
Would that thing even stand upright?

>>96896305
If you weighed the base down a lot then probably
If you're printing it with resin it would take gluing a few metal washers to the bottom of the base or something

Do resin miniatures really have a shelf-life of 2-3 years before they get super brittle/crumble into dust?

>>96896957
No, I have plenty that are at least that old and have not noticed any difference in how brittle they are.

>>96896957
I have some older than that timeframe that have yet to implode so yes
The imploding thing is mostly caused by poor infill related stuff and also using very bad resin, it only happens to a small hand full of models that are on the larger side size wise

>>96896075
Lets see you denounce busts first.

>>96896957
No, just fuck off with well-poisoning and fear mongering.

Does anyone have the ardent dwarf stls or know what's up with them? I've seen prints on Russian recast sites but that's it

>>96896957
UV resin and FDM prints can be short lived. It mostly happens when you have it hit by the elements without something to protect it like UV-resistant paint.

Resin also can break apart if there is uncured resin inside the model, which used to happen from bad geometry, but newer versions of the slicers can repair that stuff nowadays, so it only happens if someone hollowed the print and did not clean it enough.

>finally get around to unboxing my mars 2p
>reboots on exposure test

>>96901224
I hope you didn't buy a used printer despite everyone saying it's a bad idea

>>96901296
>buy a used printer
I did
>everyone saying it's a bad idea
news to me

It looks new and came with everything but what do I know. Tomorrow I am going to check all the internals and if not it's getting donated.

>>96901345
That sucks
The problem with used machines is that resin printing is incredibly frustrating and you don't want to have to deal with all the unknown variables which used machines bring which you could never even test for or fix
I mean you could be doing everything right and yet get 10 fails in a row because the machine is fucked by a millimetre, it's the fastest way to make yourself hate the hobby
Maybe you could get a refund if the machine doesn't even do the exposure test, idk
Good luck

>>96901345
NTA but did you try asking first? Checking the internals will do nothing, you wont be able to tell if the screen is towards the end of its life or a dozen other potentially issues by doing a visual inspection. These machines aren't designed to last forever and a lot of the components get harder and harder to get each year it is out of production.
A brand new printer comparable to the Mars 2 Pro (but better in pretty much every way) is about $150. I am not sure what you got your used one for, but $150 isn't expensive.

>>96899727
>so it only happens if
It doesn't happen at all if you use clear resin, opaque resins never get fully cured internally.

>>96896075
Oh, I'm sorry, I meant to say, "It's going to be a boss for a one-shot, so ideally, I would want it to be 3"x3" at the base"

What now, funny man?

>>96902408
how about you have your daily dose of estrogen and then hang youself

>>96903077
I tried, but I'm bad at tying knots. Maybe you can show me how to do it. Just record yourself doing it and have your mom send it over once the deed is done.

Buying a used printer is not a great idea because too many parts of the machine are consumables
But it might be fine if you're not planning on printing a lot

>>96901296
I wouldn't call it an inherently bad idea, but I certainly wouldn't buy used as my first printer.

Im relatively new to printing, and this is my first time printing something so large. What creates a failure like this? The bases on my supports were too weak, so it started to break off and warp?

>>96907799
Here's a terminator I printed the day before by comparison. Im using a Saturn 3 ultra with Elegoo ABS-like 3.0 with a layer thickness of 20um and an exposure time of 2.5s

>>96907799
Not enough supports is one option. Given what time of year it is I also have to ask what the temperature was wherever you have the printer?

>>96907799
look at the right side. Before any supports started, the base plate already pulled apart, but your base layers stayed stuck to the buildplate.

That means, your burn in layers are fine, and stuff went wrong before supports were an issue, so it would be your normal layer settings.
I would add 1 to 2 seconds of wait before cure, lower lift speed if that does not work or add a bit more cure time.

>>96907821
Temp could also be the issue, but you can see that stuff went wrong before the supports started.
Issues can cascade, so you need to start fixing from the first one happening, because it could be the supports just failed because of the torn off layers and would have been fine else.

>>96907821
>>96907896
I'm a leaf living in a basement apartment, so I have a grow booth, carbon filter, and inline fan set up to ventilate my workshop. The thermostat is connected to a space heater inside that was set to keep the interior of the booth between 23C and 25C. I've increased it to 24-26 since then because I also thought that maybe it got too cold last night, and I moved the thermostat probe closer to the vat to get a more accurate reading of the ambient temp near the resin.

>>96907799
I do not recommend printing large vehicles in resin unless they are in many smaller parts
The warping gets crazy

>>96907815
>those fingers

>>96908659
Yeah, that seems to be the case. I have a few different stls for this model. This one was the one broken up into the smallest pieces, but I guess i just have to cut it in half or something. I I want to get an fdm printer eventually, but Im currently saving up for PAX next year, so I dont really want to until I get back.

>>96909407
Yea make it into smaller chunks yes
and also yea switch to making them on FDM as soon as you can, works better for large terrain too

>>96909701
This thing is about 150mm long and about 120mm wide, do you think i can get away with cutting it in half down the middle?

>>96899017
didnt this guy nuke his entire MMF?

i really wanted to get all his shit, he's a fantastic sculptor, best ogre designs in teh business and some really great dwarfs too

>>96909896
Yea lol
I mean if you have any blender skills I also recommend maybe adding some pegs with simple shapes to help guide everything into place too
>>96910834
>didnt this guy nuke his entire MMF?
You mean he got shot in the head by James "the workshop" yea?
Because that's probably what happened, they don't go after fantasy stuff as much but it does happen still

>>96911016
>You mean he got shot in the head by James "the workshop" yea?

i cant imagine how, his designs werent remotely close to GWs, especially compared to some of the other stuff on there

>>96911138
They do not have to be close for GW to send him a letter with a threat. If he does not want to fight in court, he just removes his stuff.

>>96912696
Going to court or deleting all your stuff can't be the only two options, it must be possible to use a payment processor and webstore that just don't fall under the jurisdiction of authorities in your nation.

>>96913586
GW (their lawyer) writes him: Delete your stuff or we sue you.
You can then lawyer up yourself to defend your stuff (costs money and is stressful, because you cant predict the outcome), or comply and continue your life peacefully without all that trouble of going through several months or years of legal back and forth.

>>96913633
Or you put your stuff up somewhere the local law can't touch it and your write back to gw and tell them "Get with the times old man!" or you could be really cheeky and tell them you will happily comply with their demands if they can provide you a list of which sculpts violate which copyright laws specifically.

>>96913665
Did you not follow the Ghamak thing?
He asked for what specifically remove, and they ignored it, and just sued him.
Again, you can do all sorts of things, but it is stressful. If making warhammer proxy models is just your hobby, you most likely simply stop it, and get on with your life. Why do you think so many files just disappear without there ever being a lawsuit?

>>96913665
>Or you put your stuff up somewhere the local law can't touch it

That does not help you, if you yourself are not in a place where local law can't touch you (and your bank account). If you happen to be from russia, kenia or china, good for you (in that case). If you are somewhere in the civilized west, you are fucked, no matter where you host your files.

>>96913689
>He asked for what specifically remove, and they ignored it, and just sued him.
Right, I was going to bring this up if you didn't because this is going to be all but an instant win for him when he goes to court, the judge will demand GW do exactly the same thing.

>>96913697
Absolutely, and thats only right. But, not everyone has the "balls" (and money, hence Ghamaks fundme campaign) to do that. If you just sculpt for a hobby, or as your side-job, do you really invest thousands of dollars into a lawsuit, that maybe, after several years, will be your win? Some people do, and i'm very glad Ghamak did not just give up, but its totally understandable if someone just gives up in that situation.
Thats why this is such a popular legal tactic in the first place. It is an asshole move, but thats just how the system works, and big companies with their big legal departments know how it works, this is not limited to GW alone.

ISN'T THIS HYPER ILLEGAL?
GW HAAAATES FREE MODELS!

>>96914673
And yet they lost chapter house, and when they lose ghamak (because they will) then precedent is set and any future little guy can then respond to legal threats by representing themselves without lawyer fees.

>>96914890
Chapter House itself should be all the necessary precedent required, I don't see how GW can actually be stupid enough to go after Ghamak for the things he has made when the Chapter House case already established that such things as selling "shoulder pads compatible with GW product named X" is okay, it's only listing a product as "GW product name X" that is not okay, so you can sell "Gang of models for use as Escher girls" you just can't sell "House Escher Gang", as for the models themselves, as long as they are not 1:1 copies of GW models or GW art (yes even a 2d image that you sculpt a 3d file for) then it is also okay, and none of Ghamak's stuff is a 1:1 copy of GW models, he definitely has his own art style.
A number of small creators do violate this, but IME those are all made free anyway which enters an entirely different legal realm. All the creators I've ever seen selling stuff do so with their own style.

>>96915271
Chapter house is out of business, so regardless of their legal victory, GW won in their own logic. Competition is gone.

>>96915271
>>96914890
As I understand it, (which is not too much at all, desu, the lawsuit is in Italian afterall) GW is going after him with laws in his native country of Italy that have been used to combat people making bootleg knock-offs of the top fashion brands. Italy loves, loves, LOVES their expensive luxury brands, so it's no surprise they'd have laws to protect them.

>none of Ghamak's stuff is a 1:1 copy of GW models
Are you realllly sure about that?
None of his stuff is a perfect replica, but it's very, very close. The silhouette, posing and size are the same. He very often makes models that are bundled or sold in such ways to match GW boxes and units at a 1:1 ratio.
YOU might be able to tell the difference between the models, but could the common person on the street do that? Or someone in the jury?

I think GW has a pretty good court case here. Ghamak isn't/wasn't making models to be used as proxies or alternates of GW products, he was pretty blatantly copying them and packaging his models to replicate GW product lines. He was making bootleg luxury products and undercutting the competition.

>>96915522
>packaging his models

For starters, he does not sell physical models.
Nobody disputes that he makes proxies, but that in itself, no matter how they are bundled, is prohibited, if its not 1:1 copies, or as long as its not using certain GW emblems or names.
If he "packages" 3 snipers in power armour into a set to sell, then that is not something GW can win against.

>>96915716
This. Also, he can always point to the fact that 90% of GW’s own IP is stolen from other creators anyway. Space Marines, most of their Fantasy range, ‘Chaos’, most of the Tyranids, hell even the Necrons are Terminator x Cybermen.

>>96915522
>bootleg luxury products and undercutting the competition
$7000

>>96915522
>wasn't making models to be used as proxies or alternates of GW products, he was pretty blatantly copying them
Bullshit. As an example here are his Intercessor proxies.
They are called "Imperator Incursors" and are marketed for use with One Page Rules, so no naming or game system infringement on them. Visually the armor is quite distinct from the GW Intercessors, unless GW is claiming that " taticool scifi armored soldier with half mask" is something they alone get to produce? There is no aquila, the mask isn't even sculpted like a skull.

>>96916997
For fuck's sake.

>>96915522
>of Italy that have been used to combat people making bootleg knock-offs of the top fashion brands
Which would apply if he was selling his products labeled "Games Workshop"

>>96916997
>>96917006
>As an example here are his Intercessor proxies.
>They are called "Imperator Incursors"
No?
They're obviously supposed to be proxies for Primaris Incursors. You're really undercutting your argument that Ghamak is not copying GW.
Take a look at the guys carrying the big circular mines one handed. Check out the rectangular scopes on top of each rifle. See how the right shoulderpad is a smaller tacticool version, while the left shoulderpad is bigger for heraldry
He literally called them INCURSORS. 10 tacticool guys, with all the noticeable equipment on the GW version reproduced on Ghamark's, like the special scanner on top of each backpack and a visor scan thing, and the face mask thing

I won't bother to look, because I'm just that sure, but Ghamak probably has Primaris Infiltrator proxy/copies as well that share most of their model with these guys. The plastic GW guys can be built as Infiltrators or Incursors, with the difference being:
>incursors have rectangle scope on gun, infiltrators have round scope
>incursors have curved magazine, infiltrators have straight magazine
>incursors have rectangle scanner thing on backpack, infiltrators have antenna
>incursors all have no helmet, instead cyclops style visor with face mask, while incursors have full helmet that looks stealthy
>incursors can have dude carrying mine one handed, infiltrators have comm analysis guy

I GUARANTEE YOU that Ghamak's version of Infiltrators have all the features I've listed above. He designed a single scope that both versions can use, he probably re-used face masks from his Primaris Reaver proxies. The servo skull scanner could easily be replaced with something else for the Infiltrator version

>>96915716
>packaging his models
>For starters, he does not sell physical models.
I'm referring to how he packages/bundles/selects what models to sell. Probably just semantics, but you understand it.
> If he "packages" 3 snipers in power armour into a set to sell, then that is not something GW can win against.
But it's a part of how GW would win. Ghamak is selling his models in a way that replicates the box contents and unit size of GW's product. It's part of the evidence that GW lawyers would lay out and add up in front of the jury or judge.

>>96896957
No, I've got models older than that sitting around. The worst that can happen is if your print isn't cured well it can kind of melt into itself but that will happen way sooner.

>>96917456
>wrong kind of primarishit
Excuse me for not knowing a thing about that shit.
Are you really trying to say GW has exclusive rights to produce miniatures with asymmetrical shoulderpads and square/rectangle scopes? Fucking hilarious.
And no, that's not how this works, having the same vague shape to a thing is not 1:1 copying a thing, it has to be literally identical, not just incredibly similar, otherwise GUCCI would have sole rights to produce purses in Italy, and they most certainly do not.
The laws in question are to prevent chinesium labeled GUCI or FERRARY, etc... being sold and both stealing from the legitimate brands and damaging their reputation.
In this case everyone buying Ghamak knows he isn't GW and specifically want his product and not GW's, as for reputation these items will be manufactured at home by each customer for themselves so manufacture quality doesn't affect GW's reputation.
The major point they are trying to make in suing Ghamak isn't anything like that though, they have refused to list what items they are complaining about and instead are insisting that it is unfair for a multi-million dollar international company to lower itself to competing with independents working from home. They are literally claiming that they have a right to monopolize the tabletop wargaming miniatures market.

I personally have no problem with people making and selling proxies for GW stuff, but it just really sucks when people make blatant copies of the GW stuff without experimenting, without having FUN or doing anything original.
But that's an entirely different argument, separated from legal stuff

>>96917558
>The laws in question are to prevent chinesium labeled GUCI or FERRARY, etc... being sold and both stealing from the legitimate brands and damaging their reputation.
Yes.
>and specifically want his product
No. They're here because they want GW space marines but don't want to pay the price for official merchandise so they buy a chinesium knockoff

Ghamak is peddling Chinesium.

Explain to me how he's not.

>>96917632
>They're here because they want GW space marines
No, I'm there because I want Third Party Space Marines and GW doesn't have the rights to "Space Marines" which is the whole reason they invented the term "Primaris" which he is not selling, he is selling "Imperators"
And AGAIN that is not what GW is suing over, else they would have listed items of complaint. IIRC the exact terms of their suit is that his sculpts are compatible with their games, and legally speaking they can go fuck themselves on that.
Third parties produce aftermarket parts for ferrari cars, ferrari can't do a thing about it just because the parts are compatible with their products.
But why am I even trying to explain this to you? You've seen with Chapter House that GW will lose and you will see that again here with Ghamak when they lose.

>>96917456
>build business by blatantly ripping off authors and filmmakers
very cool
>make little plastic toys that are kind of similar but everyone can easily tell the difference from what GW makes
OH MY GOD THIS IS LITERAL WHITE SLAVERY

What normal layer lift speed do you guys use?

printed a smash captain and a bladeguard captain

>>96918875
and mr crohne

>>96913633
what you actually do is sell whatever you want wherever you want until you get a C&D after which case you just start a new shop under a new brand name and rinse repeat

>>96919709
Strange that nobody does that, hm?

>>96917489
>It's part of the evidence that GW lawyers would lay out and add up in front of the jury or judge.

But its meaningless, because the product is not comparable. Its digital files. For the buyer, it makes no difference if its 3, 5 or 10 bundled together, because i can print 20 of them, regardless of how many files Ghamak bundled up.
If he would sell them physically, then this might be a thing, but not with files.

>>96917456
>They're obviously supposed to be proxies for Primaris Incursors

Yes, proxies. Not copies. There is a big difference.

>>96917006
>>96917456
GW really broke peoples minds with their space marine garbage. Ghamak has like 1300 entries on his MMF store, and yet, people argue about the same 15-ish sets of shit-tier looking primaris proxies.
I'm pretty sure it was those sets he was thinking about when he asked GW what to remove.
But they want everything he makes gone. Literally everything. Not just a few sets that might or might not be too close to whatever Primaris garbage they sell.

>>96917006
man, these look fucking trash
wonder if they look better printed/painted but I wouldn't even think about buying them based on this pic

>>96919758
how would you know?

>>96919780
>But its meaningless, because the product is not comparable. Its digital files
Yeah, unless Italian copyright law is dramatically different from US law GHW doesn't have a leg to stand on. It's sort of like a factory constructed home company suing an architect because a set of blueprints sort of maybe resemble their product.

>>96919938
Because you would recognize the sculpting styles Anon. No noteworthy creator just stopped, and then someone else with exactly the same style just reappeared under a different name.

>>96920270
then why do I do it