Thread 96894933

Lessons Edition

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>Previously
>>96883650

>TQ
What is your favorite Modal spell?

>>96894933 (OP)
>tq
My favorite art of abrade.

>>96894933 (OP)
>TQ
This one. I've always found it very fun in OtJ draft, and I've even tried it in constructed to some effect. It's a fun way to give draw to green.

>>96894952
Dominik Mayer never misses.

thread question

TQ

The Nebraska shitposts actually got me wondering, what areas were really big for magic back before the enshittification era? I'm from an area where a few stores tried to exist at once, but all but one died in like 2017.

Thread reminder that UB slop biggest shitstorm is coming.

>>96895043
that art looks odd even for just marvel stuff

If I hand over control to something destined to be sacrificed soon like a Saheeli token to another player, when do they sac it? Thinking of this play

>>96894933 (OP)
>tq

>>96895043
>bigger disaster than spiderman
doubtful

>>96894933 (OP)
>TQ

>>96895019
lmao It is funny that wotc not only racebends him but also make him extremely weak
>>96895043
I would have no problem with this shit being a Secret Lair or commander slop set.
To think people who want to play standard will have to play against Marvel Flop shit.

>>96895136
At the beginning of the next end step. The delayed triggered ability doesn't lose track of the token when its controller changes.

>>96895043
It'll be pretty good and sell pretty well. Spider-Man's faults are largely more addressed by a broader scope thing like Super Heroes (much greater variety, less focus on specifically just New York (it's present but only really Spider-Man is so tied specifically to it it feels), actually being designed as the size it is, etc.)

Ugin is pumping Bolas full of white mana again...

>>96895022
Last I lived there, Akron had a good ecosystem.
>Derium's in Cuyahoga Falls part
>Two more shops in city
>Half-hour away from Alter Reality Gaming
Don't know how it is now.

>>96895411
Counterpoint: Spider-Man lacks most of the Marvel slop fatigue that is losing Disney billions of dollars. People generally like Spider-Man, even if they're not comic book fans- he's one of the only superheroes that can carry movies all on their own, without their greater comic structure around them (the other example being Batman). That's part of the reason why deepcut movies like Spiderverse or Lego Batman can be moderately successful, because people care.

Marvel as a whole, however, is far from that level of good opinion. Pretty much all of their movies after Endgame have been culturally irrelevant- can you name me a show or movie since then that's actually effected the cultural zeitgeist in a positive way?

Make a Jujutsu Kaisen, Demon Slayer, or Chainsaw Man Magic set, and you'd have millions of zoomers and alphas filling game stores and buying product, especially if the art is appealing. I'm not even a fan of the first two- I'm literally just going off of what's most popular in the west (that doesn't already have it's own current card game, mind you)

I like the smug shitpost energy of this one.

>>96895488
>Chainsaw Man Magic set,
Too edgy for Magic.

>>96895505
>WotC Upper Management Being Encouraged to Design Universes Beyond, 2025, Colorized

>>96895509
Eh, they did Duskmourne, they can do Chainsaw Man. I barely know a thing about Chainsaw Man past the like fourth episode (and memes) and bashed out something quickly.

>>96895656
too fucking cheap for that effect

>>96895665
dude, it's a six mana card that does nothing until you untap, and immediately demands to be killed. How much do you think it should cast?

>>96895656
I also made a Makima card though I don't care to make up new cards just proxy existing ones for commander

>>96895665
Is it? Casting from an opponent's hand is basically a thoughtseize + cantrip. You're limited by the amount of mana you have, and your opponent's cards probably synergize better with their deck than yours. Something like Bolas is 5 mana for an immediate 2 for 1, then a +2 card advantage with no mana cost every uptick after that plus a wincon if you can ult. A creature that dies to bolt isn't exactly that hard to get rid of.

TQ

>>96895762
Opponents discard a card of their choosing, or sacrificing a meaningless token, once per turn is not the same as "You can Thoughtseize literally every card in their hand at any time."

>>96895814
You'd still have to cast the cards, and you're still limited by timing restrictions (so other than instants and flash, only during your own turn). By the nature of the high cost (six mana) you'd have to wait until you untap to actually cast anything meaningful, which gives them plenty of time to use the removal you've found in their hand to kill her.

It's commander slop designed for fun tables rather than actually being any good.

>>96895844
Commander slop has Reanimate legal and suddenly the ward 1 is backbreaking ensuring you untap with it. Because of priority you're also the person with the first opportunity to cast a spell when it resolves, meaning you can waste removal before anyone gets a chance to use theirs.

>>96895856
>ward 1 is backbreaking
lol
lmao

>>96895862
It's backbreaking on turn 2 you retard.

>>96895814
Sure, but that's mostly because there isn't really a similar existing card. Here's a 4 mana monoblack uncommon that lets you spend mana to sac a token or recurring creature to thoughtseize every turn. I think if you wanted to nerf the card you could limit the effect to only your turn to prevent shenanigans, I don't think the cost is too crazy.

>>96895509
>Too edgy for Magic.
Huh? You mean...Grimgrin isn't edgy? But he's the edgiest around!

>>96895863
If only they didn't literally print this card then

>>96895868
>Players will be running Cut Down in clown format of pointlessly overstatted creatures

>>96895136
You cannot sacrifice a permanent you do not control

>>96894933 (OP)
tq:

>>96895866
Maro said spooky things are too icky for the modern audience ... even more icky than UBs.

>>96895656
duskmourne is lame shit, Phyrexian shenanigans and I'd argue Eldritch Moon is edgier too.

>>96896007
Maro is a moron. Spooky stuff is the best.

>>96895656
>Eh, they did Duskmourne,
lmao oh really they did a cartoon fun house with zero stakes where every character has plot armor and nobody dies?
Very edgy.

>>96894933 (OP)
>TQ
Farewell has been my favorite modal spell in the longest time. The card name already has an instant reputation to cause massive seething anytime you utter its name.

>>96895656
>>96896033
Reminder there is no E is Duskmourn. I don't know why people keep doing that.

>>96896194
It's a Mandigo effect in action

>>96894933 (OP)
TQ

>>96896194
>>96896196
It's more so the fact that compound words in pop fantasy that end in the 'orn' sound usually do so with 'borne' (Bloodborne, Nightborne) and so we unconsciously put the extra E in.

Say something, ANYTHING nice about this card.

>>96896299
The way the goatee blends into the base of the card is kinda neat.

wdym? people don't care about the art on the cards. they would happily play with blanked out art and names as just a string of numbers to tell them apart. it will sell and line go up regardless

>>96896314
whoops, meant to quote >>96896299
anyway, if you imagine just a little bit..

ANOTHER KORILLION DOLLARS TO WOTC

>>96896358
The shitposter who made this is an evil genius

>>96896348
>Cruel Painter

>>96895656

I've been avoiding spoilers on what Makima really is for years now, and the thing to spoil me is a fucking custom magic card... I hate everyone...

>>96896367
a true blood artist

>>96894933 (OP)
>TQ
Does any card with kicker count as modal?

>>96894933 (OP)
TQ: Does this count?

>>96896493
Clearly that was foreshadowing for the Day/Night mechanics of Innistrad 3
TOURNAMENT LEGAL

>>96896493
Impressive pun game

>>96895656
>>96895665
>>96895762
Oh, that's why this seemed so familiar It's literally a version of Sen Triplets. A better version? Probably.

>>96896397
I randomly spoiled for shit all the time before i have a chance to read it.
its fucking annoying

>>96894933 (OP)
Would people play this?
I also kinda think lilianas expression is funny.

>>96896592
You can't expect not getting spoiled these days. This is the main reason why video games are so popular on release, unless you abstain from ALL social medias you will immediately get spoiled one way or another.

>>96896598
>You can't expect not getting spoiled these days. This is the main reason why video games are so popular on release, unless you abstain from ALL social medias you will immediately get spoiled one way or another.
Most people don't have time to CONSOOM every single new media that comes out as soon as its released.

>>96896598
I've had shit get spoiled for me when it was never even part of the discussion before hand. This has even happened for media before it's even gotten official english releases.

they should have stuck with kamigawa flip cards instead of going with double faced

>>96896299
FAIR and BALANCED imperial tutor (why didn't they print that one instead? Avatar looks like Chinese/Asian shit which would fit more with IT)

>>96896597
only if I can slot a picture of myself on the back of the card

>>96896645
No shit, cards with this back on them are fake cards in my book.

>>96896834
*without

>>96896834
>cards with this back on them are fake cards in my book
...what?

>>96895488
Best I can do is Dragonball and One Piece in the next three years

>>96896851
>>96896839

>>96896878

if i don't get a planeswalker goku deck, i'll stop playing mtg

>>96896913
Goku, Saiyan Warrior
3WR
3 loyalty
Whenever a creature becomes tapped, put a loyalty counter on ~
0: Kamehameha - Deal 2 damage to target creature. If it is tapped, deal 4 damage instead.
-2: Senzu Bean - Put a shield counter on target creature. Tap it.
-20: Spirit Bomb - Destroy target player.

>>96896299
Thank you for the cheapest cruel tutor.

>>96894933 (OP)
>TQ
Probably my favorite charm of all time. If Dromoka's Command wasn't so watered down by being 2 mana, I would've gone with that instead.

>>96895509
>Too edgy for Magic.
bro, spider-man canonically sold his unborn daughter and marriage to fucking satan just to buy a few more years of life for his octogenarian aunt. every single CSM character would go "man that's fucked up you shouldn't have done that..." upon learning about that, marvel capeshit unironically has way more edge in it than anything in CSM it's just most normalfags aren't aware of it (thankfully, holy fuck joe quesada is a piece of shit)

>>96897226
drama isn't edge

>>96897245
marvel frequently has both in spades. there's also way more rape in marvel capeshit than CSM, including joe quesada deciding to turn X-23 into a child sex trafficking victim whored out by a pimp in new york city instead of using the character's actual origins from X-Men Evolution which she was created for....
>hey remember that time deadpool's girlfriend and mother of his kid got kidnapped by north korea, tortured, and experimented on before kim jong un dumped her body in a mass grave for the Avengers to find?
god comics are dumb

>>96897268
zoomers read csm and act like it's fucking Wolf Guy, it's an action comedy and not even as edgy as fujimoto's previous shit, even the violence is surreal and borderline slapstick most of the time.

>>96897020
>tapped

Fucking cowards. Instant speed reanimation (especially at 5 MV) isn't nearly as strong as WotC seems to think it is.

>>96897291
I mean if you're casting this at instant speed on your opponent's turn its gonna untap on your next turn anyways. I guess you can't use it as a blocker but thats a minor downside

>>96896358
The picture quality's better than half the 360p-looking screenshots we've seen so far.

>>96897226
H-H-HOLY SHIT, an unborn kid we never met goes back to not existing and Spooderman talks to LE SCARY DEVIL oh no so scary

How many flash targets should I run in a vintage/powered cube? 2? Is 4 too many?

>>96895656
I think Makima could easily also have green, since she's a natural aspect of the world and just acting upon her nature. I'd even hear an argument for red since her whole reason of being is due to her interest in Chainsawman.

back to your custom card containment general

>>96895043
When I see this artwork, my first impression is "This is for little kids, like literal kinder-gardeners". I cannot stand western super-heros. I hate them. I hope this set gets the "Omenpath" treatment.

>>96897371
aborting your child to placate satan is pretty fucked up yeah

>>96897434
This.
Who the fuck says "super heroes?"

>>96897452
You're honestly a bitch, dude.

>>96897434
Thankfully, it’s confirmed that the marvel cards will be Omenpathed on Arena, so that’s good. Avatar isn’t, but it’s a fantasy setting so it won’t be too jarring, though TMNT I think is going as is anyways unfortunately.

>>96894933 (OP)
Last night i held a draft of the OG theros block just to remember what magic was like when I started playing. Holy fuck what a fucking difference in power level. Half the people I drafted with struggled to pick because they weren't used to the way creatures were statted even 10 years ago. It's fucking crazy to look at the shittiest removal from that set and realize that in it's respective draft environment, it was a solid B card for the right deck.

You could really feel the difference in draft strategy too. People these days just try to build around a specific sets archetypes without worrying about a larger overarching game plan, and I think a lot of people mistakenly believe that BREAD really is a useless tool, as youtubers will never fail to remind you.

Anyway I did, of course, go with WUB and coast to an easy victory. It's interesting to watch players with more in game hours than me and current meta knowledge flounder in an older set with more simple archetypes and more unforgiving draft choices. You can't just get away with drafting a value pile in yoir colors, you actually have to carefully pick shit to fit specific CMC slots, and take cards that fucking suck 90% of the time just to not have a dead hand.

>>96897531
Oh, I did also happen to end up with one of these bad boys which somehow never failed to make its way into my hand by turn 4 or 5

>>96897020
That is so dogshit. I hate how wotc oushes the power and ability bloat of every freature while simultaneously smchopping every sorcery and instant off at the knees. That's just ridiculously unplayable at 5 cmc. Maybe if it was 4 mana it would be passable.

>>96894933 (OP)
>best version of naturalize yet
>ub card
I have been training for this moment, I will not yield

1 WEEK UNTIL NO CHANGES BROS
ARE YOU EXCITED???

>>96897693
my cube changes whenever i want it to

>>96897423
There hasn't been one for a while. It was only this type of UB-for-commander-legendaries uninspired shit for the most part, so it is for the better that it remains dead.

>>96897693
No changes? Good!
t. Premodern

>>96897696
Sorry anon, Mark Rosewater has hired the Pinkertons to break into your house and forcibly place overpowered UB cards into your cube

>>96897710
yeah and it should fucking stay dead here too

Anyone else feel like they want a neutered form of storm to be legal in standard (i.e., storm without storm)? For some reason they keep printing red cards that make mana just by casting spells and they don't seem to understand that getting free resources by just playing the game normally is not a good idea when none of the other colors can do that, or at least not after they banned Up the Beanstalk.

>>96897784
wotc doesn't consider beans to be free value because you spent 2 mana to cast it

did anything come of WOTC’s influencer witch hunt? I wasn’t around for a while

>>96897542
Congratulations, anon - you posted the exact card for why I said "cowards" to Zuko's Conviction. Good job on picking up on basic context!

>>96897770
I will leave you to enjoy your pig slop alone, do not worry.

>>96897734
>turn three turn 2 mana into four mana
I HOPE YOU GUYS ARE READY FOR THE FIREBENDING META

>>96897734
>spend 3 mana to make 4 mana that you can only use during combat

Holy shit, this is pre-invasion levels of non-basic land badness.

>>96897847
>>96897852

Pigs eat slop.

>>96897856
You need to tap the land in question in addition to paying 1R, anon. That's (essentially) 3 mana. Reading the card explains the card.

>>96897847
technically three for four, but red shouldn't be getting ramp on a fucking land

>>96897734
are there good instant that require 4 red pips?

>>96897839
FINALLY

>>96897734
does...does double strike work like i think it does with fire bending?

>>96897825
it really hasn't been that long

>>96897885
no. attacking is when you declare it to attack. you’re thinking “deals damage to a [thing]

>>96897885
Wherever it attacks means only when the creature has been declared as attacker. Extra combat phases would work like this.

>>96897885
dummy

>>96897885
Double strike damages twice, not attacks twice

>>96897897
>>96897898
>>96897901
>>96897908
thank fucking god

>>96897531
I had all these feelings while drafting pioneer masters in arena earlier this year. People just tried to build around underpowered jank instead of drafting a solid bread deck. Turns out nessian asp and district guide are just good solid creatures.

>>96897926
Its just a reminder to me of yet another thing wotc has changed for the worse about the game. Recent draft environments simply do not have the same feeling. I feel more like I'm playing high-power block constructed with something like FIN. Archetypes are very railroaded, and very specific to certain deck types. It's almost like playing against a bunch of mini commander decks. Core draft strategy from a decade ago is no longer functional because someone can get away with just drafting two colors without a thought and build massive value engines and powerful aggressive decks that threaten wins on fucking turn 4. It teaches new drafters to basically net-deck to learn the sets archetypes ahead of time, rather than to learn good, solid, universal deckbuilding skill.

>>96897734
did they make an agni kai card or no

>>96898008
Dude imagine this in RDW with heartfire hero and monstrous rage pre-ban? Man it's almost as if they're banning cards preemptively because they know they're going to release another completely busted set of cards in the next release... hey wait a minute... I've seen this before. Oh wow that card dueling game really turned out the better for that kind of design, huh?

>>96898008
I’m so FUCKING TIRED of Red, man…

>>96898053
RED
DECKS
WINS
BABY!

Ember Island Performance
Sorcery
Choose one -
Create a token that a copy of target creature you control, except it’s not legendary and a 4/4 Hero in addition to it’s other types.
Create a token that a copy of target creature an opponent controls, except it’s not legendary and a 2/2 Coward in addition to its other types.

waiting for the inevitable commanderslop with "your bending abilities trigger twice"

>>96898120
man, they're really leaning into the non-legendary copy effects.

give it a few years and they're going to get rid of the legend rule altogether

>>96898136
>The "Legend Rule" states that a creature with the "Legendary" supertype may be your commander. There have been other versions of the Legend Rule, but they have since been deprecated.

>>96898136
its commander slop

>>96898162
yes, it has been going for a few sets now
that's what "really leaning in" means
also, i'm referring to copy effects that have the legend rule doge baked in

>>96898120
>except it’s not legendary
I hate this new trend so, so fucking much

>>96898417
anon, they're actors

>>96898440
it's UB slop is what it is

>>96898120
This is the card for the series recap/comic relief episode right before the 4-part series finale. The good guys attend a propaganda play put on the Fire Nation, by notably bad actors. All the good guy characters are exaggerated, portrayals (play-Sokka won't shut up about food, play Katara shows off leg and cleavage and won't stop crying and talking about hope, play-Aang is endlessly cheerful and played by a woman, Peter Pan-style, etc) while the Fire Lord and Azula are super cool and powerful and win the day.

>>96898556
The only one with a positive portrayal, and the only one actually liked by the original person, is Toph. Play-Toph is instead called "Tough", is a tall buff dude, and sees by scream-sonar instead of earthbending feel-sense.

askers?

>>96898595
Me, I asked.
>>96898556
>>96898567
Thank you for the answer.

>>96898648
then stop derailing. outside IP lore discussion is strictly off-topic from magic the gathering

That's rough, buddy.

New ten-land cycle, they're all identical in effect except the colours.

New Ascension.

Strictly better Rampant Growth, I guess.

Oh so they did show this scene on a card but the bonus sheet Blasphemous Act doesn't depict this because... Reasons. Card itself seems fine.

I wonder if the tiger dildo will see play

I think this was leaked already but yeah.

If evil, why hot?

>>96898768
I'm so fucking tired of doubling effect.

>>96898799
She's a fire bender anon

>>96898786
No, it makes more sense this way, even if the result on the bonus sheet was shitty. Bonus sheet card is Aang reacting to the blasphemous act of the genocide, but Gyatso himself wasn't acting blasphemously by killing all those soldiers.

>>96898825
I mean, no, he was, the point is he was a pacifist pushed to break his pacifism and took the soldiers with him. It's still 'blasphemy', even if understandable.

>>96898775
And here I was thinking that Lessons would have a mana tax or something
>>96898750
The full arts for this set are so bad, only 3 good ones

>>96898878
Anon, Air Nomads aren't STRICT pacifists. They can defend themselves. Aang attacks people all the fucking time.

>>96898882
there's tons of good full art cards. the SCREENSHOT cards are mostly bad.

>>96898799
Enishi, you glorious bastard- I know exactly the scene this card is referencing- The one from Imprisoned, where the tax collector is threatening Haru's mother and talking about how dangerous fire can be.

He just wanted to draw a cute girl, I suppose.

So we got the 'good guy' Mai at least so far. (You can tell because she has the Ally type).

Will she help at all against spellslinger decks?

Note that for these lands, you can earthbend them to creatures, chump block, and sacrifice them to draw a card as well as turning back to a regular land.

I also wish they hadn't used such specific names for a couple of the cards, since it hurts the potential for them to be reprinted (Like the Spider-Man-> Omenpath cards that were given new art but kept their names). This card, plus the gruul Omashu City are too specific to be reprinted outside UB. The Orzhov Misty Palms Oasis, Dimir Serpent's Pass, Rakdos Boiling Rock Prison, and Azorius North Pole Gate they could probably get away with though.

>>96898750
they did the thing!

>>96898768
oh, so they're a cycle

>>96899093
Guardian of Faith isn’t name tied to a specific world or setting so it could and should be reprinted into standard, but kikes like Nosewater lost their minds at White having Phasing in Standard so it is never going to be reprinted.

>>96899093
>the avatar can move an entire island/mountain/landmass kilometers from its original standing

they were all over the place with the power scaling in this show

>>96899037
my dumb lizard is cooler

>>96899093
If you're that pressed for more versions, the New Capenna cycle is pretty much the same thing, except the sac ability requires colors

there it is

>>96899156
Hundred Year War would have been way shorter if Kyoshi had been around to earthquake the Fire Nation capital into rubble.

>>96899235
>yeah I killed him
>yeah I plead guilty
>yeah I'd do it again
incredibly based

>>96899201
I mean sure, but it's just inefficent game design- think back to the refuge cycle from Zendikar, the allied duals that enter tapped and gain you one life. But then they wanted to keep printing them in new sets as fixing, but they were all specifically named for places on one plane, so they made a new cycle with generic names that they've printed in tarkir, kamigawa, aetherdrift, MotM, etc.

>>96899218
oh great. now it goes infinite too

>>96899156
now that I think about it, the Kyoshi card really should create a token island

>>96899218
What's the flavour of this card supposed to be? If it triggered on opponents' creatures dying that'd at least be bounty hunter-like.

>>96899269
It only goes infinite if you have a sacrifice outlet, a creature that earthbends when it enters, and some way to get creatures back to the field. Doesn't seem very infinite to me.

>>96899295
landfall create token aka scute swarm with sac outlet

>>96899295
perhaps infinite is not the right word
but you can trivially earthbend your entire land count with one or two pieces

>>96899306
Doi, forgot about landfall + tokens.

Okay, yeah that is infinite with a sac outlet.

>>96896645
These have so much soul, take me back

>>96899306
>just have three different cards and a payoff
Hardly gamebreaking

>>96899306
>>96899339
Let's see... 4 Eusocial Engineering to warp in for 2 on winning turn
4 Vengeful Bloodwitch
4 of these dudes
4 Lightless Evangel
4 Umbral Collar Zealot
some of the good earthbend cards just in case

Golgari aristocrats, nice.

>>96897734
>usually ETB untapped
>makes colored mana
>sometimes makes more colored mana
>not a legendary so you can run 4 without having to sac them to each other
>EZ combo potential, with untapping to give a creature Firebending 4 multiple times, or taking extra combats
>plenty of red instants to cast during combat, or pair with mana sinks to dump the extra mana
This seems pretty good but probably EDH bait

more lessons

>>96899457
this needs a loss edit ASAP

So which Learn cards from STX might see Pioneer play with these new lessons?

is there a non- alchemy card that creates Land tokens?

>>96899306
And fun thing, we have that in standard.

>>96899480
Yes

>>96899496
just that one, right?

>>96899518
no

>>96899474
idk but I'm buying all of them on mtgo just to be safe

>>96899518
You also have cards that create token copy of a permanent

Speaking of ETB Earthbends.

>>96898136
>>96898169
They really should revert it to the original legend rule for all formats outside commander. It's not like commander is a real format anyway so if they want to run 4 atraxas per table, why should people playing the real game care?

>>96898750
Burgers?

>>96898775
Damn they actually did it the absolute madmen. Now just add lightning bolt please.

>>96899589
With all the busted legends they print nowadays, you'd end up with Lin Sivvi metas. The cure has to go deeper.

>>96899589
The original legend rule is awful

>>96899656
They need to stop printing so many legends AND bring back the original rule.
>>96899663
It's flavorful and punishes relying on pushed legendary creatures, which are both good things.

We need the REAL original Legend rule where they were always restricted in deckbuilding but there were no clone restrictions.
>Murders their viability in 60-card
>Does nothing in fake format

>>96898799
someone got a glowup

>>96899697
The only time it punishes using legends any more than the modern rule is when any deck can run it, like how some non-blue aggro decks would have Tolarian Academy in the sideboard just to lock academy decks out when Saga was new. But a deck without white mana (or a way to cheat creatures into play) can't use Lin Sivvi to lock out the opponent's copy.
All it does is make the mirror miserable and skew play/draw even harder.

>>96899037
How is the rare? Aren't there several common/ uncommon creatures with this exact effect?

>>96899711
The clone clause always existed.

>>96899774
The iteration I mentioned never made it to print. They mentioned it in interviews as a version they threw out.

>>96898799
>>96899005
>>96899728
Anime gooners are the only thing that can save Magic the Gathering.

>>96899829
It really is a lot cleaner. I guess the problem they had was, "How do you prove this without everyone having to show their entire deck before every game?"
I wonder, if Ice Age had come out after Antiquities as it was supposedly intended to, and Legends had come out in '95 instead, after they had nailed down the tournament rules (once they were comfortable with saying, "yeah man just trust each other not to run seven bolts ok"), if things would have been different.

>>96899838
>Plump anime girl
>>She's blueberry flavored
So close

This is going to be annoying

>>96900012
I spar only in the avatar state.

>>96897734
This is really good, there's no downside to running it in red decks and it will sometimes tap for 2 mana basically.

I can’t understand how anyone could be interested in this slop.

>>96897734
what can copy this effect?

>>96900185
Any "if a spell or ability would target a creature it targets all creatures instead"

>>96900181
this but every set since onslaught block took mechanics from Yu-Gi-Oh

*breathes in*
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>96897734
Sozin's comet at home

>>96900219
way late homeslice

>>96900233
Won't stop it being bafflingly hilarious

>>96896397
If you've been reading the series/cared that much about spoilers, you only have yourself to blame for taking YEARS to catch up. Hell, not even catch up, you find out less than halfway through the current chapter count.

>>96899763
I think I'm in love

meh

could an earth bender bend bones?

I fucking wish black burn was playable in this clown game

>>96900342
Draw 3 in commander.

>>96900366
Waterbenders can bend blood/body moisture, so the potential is there at least

>>96900411
nobody asked about the clown fiesta format

>>96900411
Actually it's draw 0 because Commander players are allergic to attacking.

>>96896597
Am I a nigger or would this be played everywhere? It's a free second wind at the game that draws cards and kills creatures

>>96900473
Played a game yesterday where a guy targeted all removal/attacks/fuckery for an entire game on me, resulting in his direct loss to another player, for "attacking me when you didnt have to".

I swung for 2 on t3 because he had no critters.

>>96900547
It can be both

>>96900547
>cmc 5
you died 3 turns ago lil bro

Would the epic cycle of cards be broken if they didn't prevent you from casting spells for the rest of the game?

https://mtg.wiki/page/Epic

>>96900617
Then it wouldn't be Epic, would it?

>>96900635
To be specific, what if you still copied the spell at your upkeep for the rest of the game, but you could still cast other spells in addition.

>>96900617
Would looting effects be broken if you didn't have to discard?

>>96900617
That would put them in the same range as many PW ultimates, without the hassle, that said, the powercreep has gotten so absurd you probably could andit wouldn't matter

Having no interest in Avatar and Spiderman has made me realize that this game has made me surprisingly good at budgeting. I had adapted to setting aside so much money for cardboard that my core cost of living got pretty low and now that I’m not buying cards life is good.

>>96900749
Typically life gets better when kikes are denied shekels

>>96900656
>Discarding is seen as a downside.
Since when?

>>96900981
if only lifelink had been keyworded at the time...

Hey bros, I found Gavin's favorite book!

>>96898162
That effect has been around for a long time

>>96901049
P.E.P.E. "Shadilay" tier meme magic wtf.

>>96898775
I thought rampant growth was too powerful for standard

>>96898923
Gyatso was a pretty strict pacifist and he airbended all the air out of the room and suffocated them all which feels like a forbidden technique kind of deal

Need your advice please bros. My cousin's fiance is coming to visit from overseas for a few months and he's an EDHonly, but thankfully a casual one that only plays kitchen table with friends. I only play legacy and premodern and would like to bring him along to one of our game days; what's the best way to introduce him to the format so he doesn't get crushed from lack of format or card knowledge? He has both a Winota deck and a goblins deck for EDH, so I was thought of offering him Winota initiative and goblins or sligh for legacy and premodern respectively. I'm also meeting him in the middle and made some EDH decks for 1v1 kitchen table play from stuff I have already.

>>96901135
Laugh and insult him for being a nerd, then when he asks you to stop start making piggie noises until he leaves.

>>96901121
Or maybe the simpler explanation is that the aerocaust never happened

>>96899589
the old legend rule led to people intentionally sideboarding in 4x of legends to play as removal for your opponent's deck, which wotc doesn't want because it A: highlights how retarded busted some pushed cards are, and B: makes timmy feel bad every time his big named creature is killed by the legend rule.
Back in the day there were people running Tolarian Academy in every deck just to deny it to the opponent too.

>>96899156
It was really the Avatars we have in the shows are very immature and weak relative to their predecessors

>>96899156
aang was like 12 and the entire events of the first show all happen within less than a year, which already has him going from waving a stick at people to blow air and knock them over, to being able to wipe out an entire city if he really tried and able to 1v1 comet empowered ozai.

if he gets that strong in like six months imagine how powerful he'd be with another 20+ years of training; there's a reason the Avatar is treated like the in-universe equivalent to a nuclear superpower keeping international order through implicit force.

It just says 'Bear'.

>>96900411
love big cats

And another Bumi.

edh slop

>>96901280
Yes. Very squeezable.

Jailer effect, pretty decent rate for a body? Good for limited.

And this seems kind of great for an uncommon.

>>96901278
fucking weird

Cute flavour.

And there's the returning token Maro teased.

>>96901338
Fun design at least.

>>96900373
Holy sweet fucking satan's butthole this thing is busted.

>>96901357
I mean it's basically a better (well, I guess Fire Nation Trebuchet doesn't have any power) version of the card that had the token first.

>>96901195
Korra's problem more is that she's so spiritually retarded that she's barely on par with a 12 year old Aang AFTER he'd gotten spiritually crippled. And then she goes and fucks up so bad that she gets the Avatar spirit permanently crippled.

>>96901195
Well, Aang had the excuse of his training being cut short, Korra had the excuse of living in relative peace so she didn't feel the need to be as proper.

>>96899474
Her

>>96900373
Mai + Kambal
fuck Phoenix desu

>>96901298
Can you choose the same mode twice?

>>96901432
Does it say you can?

>>96901398
LOOK AT THOSE FUCKING LIPS
HNNNNNNNNNG

>>96901432
Since it doesn’t say you can, and the mechanic is having at least 3 lessons in your graveyard, probably not. I wish though.

>>96901386
>Korra had the excuse of living in relative peace so she didn't feel the need to be as proper
She was kept in a compound and trained by wizened White Lotus masters from childhood. Really it's the White Lotus' fault she ended up so fucking retarded. They did not beat her anywhere near enough.

>>96901482
I mean the point of Korra was that while she was pretty good at bending from the start, the spiritual side of being the Avatar was just completely fucked for her, right?

>>96901496
Yeah, because she's an ADD retard

>>96901496
>Korra
>Having a point

It's kind of funny how the Earth Kingdom ultranationalist gets to be a sympathetic character and then there's Amon

>>96897434
>I hope this set gets the "Omenpath" treatment.
It will right? Its a similar contract with the same company. Itd be kind of odd if this set didnt get omenpath'd

>>96897463
I think it's basically a Marvel/DC copyright. They have the shared copyright for "Super Heroes", but not the word "superhero".

>>96901496
Korra's issue was that she was flat out not taught any of that, yes, and as such she didn't get any of the guidance the previous Avatars are supposed to give.
Like, Aang pretty consistently got insight into what being the Avatar meant from his previous selves and ultimately figured how to talk to them at will, but I guess the Lotus just didn't give a shit about anything but making Korra into a swole bender who could beat the shit out of incoming threats (and even at that they failed since she obviously wasn't going to be able to learn Airbending by herself)

>>96901551
That's because Kuvira did nothing wrong, while Amon was trying to Harrison Bergeron the world. I won't even mention his backstory since it just denigrates the character.

>>96900219
Thats rough, buddy.

>>96900219
Is this the ever so rare heterosexual kiss?

>>96901604
I don't actually think there's a lot of art of characters kissing in Magic at all. This one plus the Ral Zarek + Tomik one are the only ones I remember.

The ally tribal set.

>>96901595
They tried teaching her and failed because she was too ADD. Tenzin failed for the same reason. You know how Korra got in touch with her spiritual side? She got locked in a fucking metal box with nothing to do but meditate.

>>96901649
>>96901604
Lobotomy and Together Forever are the only "on the lips" probably romantic or libidinous kisses in magic art.

>>96901649
Magic's just weirdly lacking in romance overall. There's been some in the fiction, mostly Jace/Vraska and Chandra/Nissa, but beyond that it's just "characters standing near each other" and usually not in overtly romantic ways. Like pic-related is probably the only card art that makes you go "Oh right they're a couple" for Jace and Vraska for example, and it's an Alchemy card nobody cares about.

>>96901678
I mean if they didn't consider a method as simple as isolating her that's pure incompetence.

>>96901705
I'm pretty sure isolating students is very common among monks so they were just really stupid.
They had to teach ONE student and all the time in the world to figure out something that would work on her. The fact they didn't proves they were just bad at teaching.

>>96901532
Some of these are pretty cool. I don't know anything about Avatar but the ub, rg, gb. rw. and ug are quite pleasant to look at.

>Korra was a show about a fatherless girl who never grew as a character and turned into a lesbian
Kinda based messaging there

>>96901705
>>96901730
They didn't have a reasonably humane way to isolate Korra. Leave her alone somewhere and she'll just run off once she gets bored (probably immediately). Lock her in a room and she'll kick down the door or break the window. Put guards around and she'll fight them or sneak around them. They would've literally had to chain her up or put her in a unbendable box like Tarrlok did to get results and it would've been difficult to justify that to her parents.
>No, you see, we had to seal your daughter in a crate for several hours because we couldn't get her to settle down otherwise
>We made sure there were air holes!

>>96901654
You know, I'm both amazed and not at all surprised at how similar Spider-Man and Avatar are/will be:

Both are centered around a creature type(s) that doesn't get regular tribal support or notable cards (Spiders, Heroes, Villains vs. Allies)
Both have multiple legendary creatures depicting either the same character, or at least essentially the same character. I mean, be honest- how many 'Spider-Men' are individually distinct enough to warrant being separate characters? The first Spiderverse movie established that there's really only half a dozen or so, and I guess the bad guy from the second movie counts too. But that's far smaller than the 30+ Spider Hero creatures in the set.

And yet Avatar will be far more successful because of anime art and fantasy setting. Will Wizards learn this lesson? No, but maybe when Marvel flops this summer they'll finally get it through their thick heads.

>>96901759
I mean, she's one of the only Avatars we've seen to actually have regular parents- Aang didn't, Kyoshi didn't, Wan didn't, Yangchen didn't, and while Roku did, he was also close friends with Prince Sozin, suggesting he was from a noble family already.

>>96901759
>fatherless
Her dad was around. I don't think her parents' house was too far off from the compound where they trained her.

>>96901802
>and while Roku did, he was also close friends with Prince Sozin, suggesting he was from a noble family already.
And Roku was a failure, so we can naturally infer from this that fatherless behaviour is what actually makes for a good Avatar.

>>96901817
I mean, considering that the Avatar is basically the sole nuclear power keeping peace both between humans, between spirits, and between humans and spirits, it makes sense to make sure they're independent from a young age.

>>96901743
>>96901532
I wish Omashu was more detailed, but yeah, Avatar has plenty of different neat places seen in the show to cover the dual lands

>>96901802
>Both are centered around a creature type(s) that doesn't get regular tribal support or notable cards (Spiders, Heroes, Villains vs. Allies)
>The strongest spider creatures in Magic are from commander products and UB sets
Blex, please save us.

Red has been the best color in what seems like every format for a solid 6-7 years now. Like UG was really fucking strong when wotc was sucking it off in WAR/eldraine but then they took it out back and killed green as a color while red continued to dominate everything.

>>96901170
>the old legend rule led to people intentionally sideboarding in 4x of legends to play as removal for your opponent's deck
I should know, I was there. 3000 years ago, when the strength of wotc failed. I put 4x jace in my deck just to watch people seethe.

>>96901992
Red is the fast color. More games means more intermittent reinforcement. Keeping people even more hooked. Being more hooked means more card sales, arena sales etc. It is by design.

>>96901802
>Both are centered around a creature type(s) that doesn't get regular tribal support or notable cards
>Allies
Allies got a fuckton of support what are you on? Nearly every Zendikar set has Ally tribal out the ass. It's one of the tribes with the most support in the game.

>>96901992
Red is bad in Commander, which is the only format that matters to them

>>96901992
>for a solid 6-7 years now.
more like 2~ish at best
by the end of 2022 mono black was still the best deck in standard and the following years were all about black

>>96902084
even if black got pretty dominant for a moment its always felt like Red was 2nd best.

>>96898799
Thraben Inspector but a black card (and hot woman)
>>96899037
Thalia but a black card (not a black woman)
>>96899457
2 more mana Realms Uncharted but can be tutored by strixhaven cards (learn)
>>96899765
>>96899763
shit
>>96901309
good even looks like a real magic card.
>>96901318
let me guess : uncommon key card to an archetype?
>>96901325
cool card.
>>96901338 >>96901370
retarded cards and flavor.

>>96902102
It was green and blue.

>>96902143
>tiger-dildo

>>96902158
Dillo.
Like Armadillo. But Tiger.

>>96902143
So with Kangaroos, Platypuses, Echidnas, and potentially Koalas now legal creature types, Australia plane when?

I do like the hybrids

>>96901686
>>96901687

Here's a list of cards with kisses:
https://tagger.scryfall.com/tags/artwork/kiss


It's not complete though. It doesn't have praetor's grasp:
https://scryfall.com/card/nph/71/praetors-grasp

which vanguard card is the strongest?

>>96901992
Arena dopamine retards and pea brain stupid bad players can’t handle actual Magic or games longer than three turns for what matters, don’t forget they banned ABUELO and NIGHTMARE in the last B&R announcement… Leaving Vivi, Nemesis, Manifold, Slickshot etc. open and wait for Firebend to come after the Vivi bans…

WotC is not only incompetent about the target audience or product focus they can’t even if their lives depend of it balance, and with the amount of new products this is now more obvious than ever, Control? Dead, Combo? Barely holding, Standard is the aggro paradise where shitters cast their creatures and swing them to each other’s faces in a stupid race for pointless victories.

>>96902301
>WoF at instant speed
atleast this isn't standard legal lol. That would be crazy with firebending.

>>96901873
As does Marvel and Star Trek. Not sure what TMNT will do for dual lands.

>>96902315
anon...

>>96901992
>Red has been the best color in what seems like every format for a solid 6-7 years now. Like UG was really fucking strong when wotc was sucking it off in WAR/eldraine but then they took it out back and killed green as a color while red continued to dominate everything.
When everything is power crept to the moon, turns out the color whose thing is "Kill people fast" ends up killing people faster than the other ones.

>>96902322
TMNT is a small set like Spider-Man, so at most we'll probably get 5 dual lands, probably Enemy colored. They can be filled out with places like the Turtle Lair, the Foot HQ, TCRI, Channel 6 News, the O'neil farm, Dimension X, and the Technodrome.

>>96902143
>Tiger-Dildo
>Predators with armor plating
What did they mean by this?????

What did

>look up scryfall
>see this
OH LOOK ANOTHER DRAFT FORMAT WHERE GRUUL AUTOWINS. VERY ORIGINAL

Fuck you

>>96901992
That's reds identity, it's the standard colour just like blue is in legacy/vintage

>>96902388
>This shit
>Fucking UNCOMMON
RIP limited for this set lmao.

>>96902388
Red is just as much a face of legacy when fucking UR delver gaped the format for like 5 years straight and kept getting purpose designed cards to support the deck.

>>96901802
>And yet Avatar will be far more successful because of anime art and fantasy setting.
Also it just has more interesting cards

Ok WotC, I get some of the other designs, but this one just confuses me.

I'm trying to make a mono white cat deck in arena, is this a good start? I have no idea what I'm doing.

>>96902391
>>96902394
Was it really that good in Final Fantasy? I remember it being fun but I thought UB control was better overall.

>>96902420
>Trying to play Magic
Imagine being this dumb LOL

>>96901802
Having cool things in the setting that exist outside of legendary creatures also helps Avatar immensely. You have spirits, soldiers, and hybrid animals, rather than just random civilians.

You're 100 correct about the fact that WotC will be genuinely clueless as to why people like one and not the other.

>>96902339
why do you consider that one the strongest?
draw 3 cards is good, but skipping a turn is bad and your max hand size is reduced.

compare to this card

>>96902418
Its a faaaaaaake.

>>96902418
Did they forget to finish the art?

>>96902451
thats an edit. he shopped out the legs

We need shrine lands already. Imagine playing mono black and slapping this baby down

>>96902428
I can't help it, sorry. Is there anything I can do to improve that list? How long will it take me to actually make all this stuff?

>>96902368
anon do you not know what an armadillo is

>>96902426
Gruul was arguably the weakest in an otherwise decently balanced set. Golgari and Izzet were the top two. I didn't play Spiderman, but I don't think Gruul has been the best color pair for draft since MH3, and before that maybe like ONE in 2023? It's not often its top dog. Generally if an aggro pair is on top, its boros.

>>96902420
for a new player, it's not bad. I assume since you're here that you know but I'll reiterate just in case: do NOT play commander under ANY circumstances, it will teach you literally nothing about how to actually play the game.
New players tend to gravitate towards mono white aggro/lifegain so this is a fine start. If you're going to use this, though, play unranked for a while, you're going to have a miserable time trying to rank up with this deck

>>96902436
You can play entirely at instant speed on other player's turns using nothing but rituals and pitch spells for mana. You can win entirely off Soul Spike and Similan Spirit Guide Lightning Bolts- after all, you're drawing three fucking cards every single turn.

>>96901325
Close enough, welcome back recurring nightmare.

>>96902436
This is a bad Vanguard. Telepathy is pathetic when you have shit like "infinite instant speed bounces" or "your enemy has halved life" or "ignore the fundamental mechanics of this game"

>>96902507
>Golgari and Izzet
Interesting. I had a good Golgari deck with those 3/3 fliers that kill things. I haven't had a huge amount of luck with Izzet but I pretty much never see their good cards because two other people are always fighting over them.

>>96901325
That's going to be an interesting interaction if Gift of Immortality is also attached. Yes, I know it's not legal in Standard, but it's still a thought experiment

>>96902559
It's telepathy + 10 cards in hand at the start of game (and max hand size).

>>96902526
>You can play entirely at instant speed on other player's turns using nothing but rituals and pitch spells for mana. You can win entirely off Soul Spike and Similan Spirit Guide Lightning Bolts- after all, you're drawing three fucking cards every single turn.
Ahh, its one of the vanguards you'd actually have to build around.

>>96901278
Where's the card that turns the bear into a food token?

>>96901278
On one hand,this is Commander bait. On the other, goes great in my landfall deck!

>>96902500
>I can't help it, sorry. Is there anything I can do to improve that list?
This is the shittest of shit games that ever shit shit. It's not worth it, anon. Get the fuck out and never return.

New thread
>>96903048
>>96903048
>>96903048

>>96902500
Magic is one of the greatest games ever made. You should not play it because it is unnecessarily expensive. The thing is every single person you see playing the game is deep into sunk cost and they will demand you buy into the game to justify their own lack of self-control over their spending. Every Magic player playing in public right now suffers from some kind of brain damage that makes them fail to see that there is no sense in paying to play this game and this is because 99% of Magic players you meet in public are bad at the game. They may sound informed and confident but they are not and even if there is the chance someone in the room is competent, they will not say so because to breach the peace with legitimate criticism is practically bullying. And playing in-person is the best way. You are playing online where you will have zero chance of any feedback and thus you will take ten times the time to learn the game than some poor bastard playing in paper.

Seriously, just stop. The company managing this game is beyond retarded and incompetent and hasn't made a community-positive move in probably two decades. The number of players playing in public today are the same as from two decades ago and it's still at a level where events do not fire - that is so incredibly fucked up it's not even funny.

>>96902137
>questing beast
not OUAT, leyline, 1 mana counterspell, wilderness reclamation but a meme card that was never good in any format?

>>96897734
>>96899442
>Not legendary
Wait, you are right. Weird. Flavorwise, it should be legendary. Is this another one of those Valakut situations?

>>96899156
Nah, it was within the powerlevel shown with older avatars. Roko, the fire avatar, managed to pretty much calm down a volcano all by himself when he was in his 80's.

>>96901278
it's stupid that it's not a 2/2 bear

>>96901309
Fiend Hunter my beloved