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Previous: >>96844397

What in your opinion makes a good premade adventure?

What kind of feat would a Rogue Trader have to perform in order to be gifted or even able to purchase a Battleship?

>>96917682
Any Rogue Trader who hails from Terra (or any even remotely similarly prestigious origin) could easily be gifted not just a battleship but an entire fleet as part of the package. Otherwise, it depends very, very heavily on the area and the Rogue Trader in question. The Koronus Expanse is bumfuck nowhere, and the Winterscales used to have one as a flagship (before a slight Warp whoopsy). Calixis retained a single battleship after it was conquered in M39, the Fist of Adamant, and has constructed or otherwise acquired a minimum of one additional battleship, Angevin's Destiny. There's a bit of fuzziness in the lore there because both have been stated to be the flagship, but I could easily see the Fist of Adamant being superseded as flagship during the century and a half it took to repair after its duel with Da Wurldbreaka when lifting the siege of Port Wander.
Anyway, if you're a Rogue Trader of only middling standing, you could in theory discover the drifting hulk of a battleship and, if you dedicated a very great deal of time and resources, repair it over the course of a very great deal of time. IF nobody finds out and decides they want it more and are willing to fight for it, including but not limited to a slightly more powerful rogue trader, an inquisitor of any stripe, a conclave of lesser rogue traders who don't want you to suddenly become incredibly important and start shitstomping them, the Imperial Navy who will very graciously thank you for recovering their ship (at gunpoint), and of course orks. Possible, but what a needle to thread.
Alternatively, perform a number of important services (or one really big one) to an organization which has a battleship to spare and likes you well enough to part with it - save a Lord Admiral's favorite son from certain doom, deliver the STC for a laser moustache trimmer to the local Mechanicus (they'll use it to make digi-weapons, probably), become the local Cardinal's best friend and have him pull some strings.

>>96917859
It goes without saying that any massive prestigious action you take which results in the loss of your dynasty's flagship will be rather more likely to result in the gifting of a ship of any stripe, which will almost certainly be an upgrade of some kind depending on how big and important the thing you did to earn it was. A lost frigate may earn you a light cruiser, a lost cruiser may earn you a battlecruiser, a lost grand cruiser must be answered with either another grand cruiser or a battleship (or a fleet, depending on the local prevalence of capital ships). Also note that in the 'salvage a battleship' course of action, if you're already pretty buddy-buddy with the cogboys you might be able to tow it to your local forge world and cash in some favors to get them to handle it for you - they're generally rather more equipped to, let's say 'dissuade' anyone who comes in want of such a vessel, but on the inverse they're also much easier to find. They might make off with any archaeotech gubbins if you're not careful, though.

>>96917859
Battleships are property of the Imperial Navy and arent given to private citizens

>>96917891
Incorrect. The Winterscale flagship was for a time the Duchess Iolanthe, explicitly stated to be a famous battleship. It was lost during the year of the Dreaming Depths, 397.M41. Additionally, multiple rogue traders have left Terra at the bridge of a battleship.

>>96917921
This is nu-lore isnt it? Shit makes no sense

>>96917937
...No, dude. Epoch Koronus was published 16 years ago.

>>96917937
Holy goddamn fuck, the term "nulore" has truly lost its meaning, and has devolved into "i don't like thing." That is from an FFG official publication, Rogue Trader: Epoch Koronus, dated September 2016!

FFG wrote it! That makes it wholesome chungus trulore now! Happy good feels! You daft fucking retard.

>>96917996
Epoch Koronus came out in 2009. Don't use AI to post here.

>>96917996
Are you referencing C7's updated PDF or some shit? That's a weird error otherwise.

>>96917937
Do you guys just blame "nu-lore" for literally anything that you personally think isn't Real Warhammer or something?

>>96918052
Anon I was using the date listed in Lexicanum. Now that I reread it, it was the date that file was archived, not what when it was written, and >>96917988 is likely more correct on the date. It doesn't break my point that you don't know what nulore is and are just parroting bullshit and trying to catch me in a date gotcha.

>>96918067
It's a real problem with secondaries. They pick a time window where they started reading the fluff, and declare that "true canon." Everything before that is "Early weirdness not real 40k" and everything after is "nucanon ruined everything not real 40k" and it turns everything into a mess.

>>96918068
>Anon I was using the date listed in Lexicanum
>Doesn't check the sources while using the Lexicanum

>>96917891
>>96917921
Personally I don't think a Rogue Trader getting their hands on the best gear and vehicles the Imperium has to offer is far fetched.

>>96918085
It just hits me as particularly retarded because like, if we want to judge what's "Real Warhammer" do we go back to original Rogue Trader era, where Leman Russ was just a chapter master and the marines were beat cops? That's the "original" lore as it was written. But like you said, clearly that's just the Early Weirdness. So is 2nd-4th edition real 40k? 5-7th? 8-10th? It's all just so arbitrary and 90% of the people I know don't give a fuck about it other than being rightfully annoyed at having to replace models if they ran space marines, and most of them are xeno players anyway so that wasn't an issue.
I have the same thing about people who vehemently hate anything primaris and have a huge fit over it. Like cool you're allowed to not like a thing, and treat your games as before it, but they exist and people are allowed to like it. Just treat your own games as in a segmentum out of the main borders and X thing you don't like happened to never get there, either from warp storms or whatever reason you need. You're the master of your game. If you hate something, work it out with your group or something beyond sperging out.

>>96918130
That is, indeed, the entire premise of a Rogue Trader.

>>96918157
A vocal bunch of people in this thread seem to consider 'real 40k' to be a specific window of october 1998 to january 2001. This is the start of 3rd edition, and stops at the introduction of tau to the setting.

I know the setting is "grim dark" and not meant to be taken all that seriously but given how dehumanizing Imperial society is I don't understand how it functions at all. Is religious zeal the only thing keeping it together and preventing total implosion?

How do retards not know the difference between having good equipment and a fucking BATTLESHIP!?

>>96918957
>I don't understand how it functions at all.
Imperial zeal, authorial fiat, and sheer numbers. There are a million million worlds with trillions of population on any of them that have hive cities. The sheer number of people drowns out any reasonable expectations of how the society might function or what percentage of the populace does what, because in the end, something like Space Marines having whatever like a 1/100 rate for their aspirants even passing trial and accepting geneseed to become scouts still means that thousands of new marines are made every year logistically. Or the sheer amount of tanks and arms and armor that can be produced.

>>96918972
Didn't you get proven wrong already?

>>96918972
There are countless cases of real world, priceless pieces of reliquaries or industry being given to/bought by random groups in our own history. Is it really so hard to believe that, in the hyper exagerrated setting of 40k, some of the richest human being possibly alive, and some of the most politically powerful ones like the High Lords of Terra or Lord Inquisitors, might give someone a battleship for services rendered, or it might just be part of their beginning charter when big E himself gave people their warrant of trade?

>>96918957
The alternative is death, plain and simple.

>>96918972
1) Use the reply button, you fucking coward.
2) In theory, a battleship is a work of impossible artifice the construction of which consumes the entire material output of a standard hive world for a century, orchestrated by savants holding the lost secrets of the golden age of humanity. In practice, in points cost, armament, survivability, and overall battlefield impact, an Imperial Navy battleship is worth exactly two cruisers. They're not that fucking special.
3) On July 16, this very year, the sole juvenile Ceratosaurus fossil in existence sold for thirty million dollars. You cannot stop the rich people from buying whatever they damned well please.
4) PepsiCo managed to buy thirty warships from the USSR. This number would've been higher had the USSR not collapsed shortly afterwards. Everything has a price, and Rogue Traders, need I remind you, are filthy fucking rich. They could at literally any moment retire to a planetary governorship, and they don't bother because that would result in a net loss of profits. Let me repeat myself to really drive it into your thick skull: Owning a fucking planet would be a step DOWN from being a Rogue Trader.

Black Crusade, p24
>fearing that the power of Chaos would eventually corrupt all of humanity at some point in the future the Emperor set about creating mankind’s replacement: the Primarchs
>followers of the Emperor maintain that the Primarchs were never intended to truly replace mankind
Is this creative writing or is this written elsewhere?
I remember the argument always being about space marines being the replacement, with the answer always: No, their penises don't work, no matter how many rogue trader sources say they were sex loving bionic soldiers
But never being about the primarchs

I'd assume it's just traitor lies given this is a book about the heroes of chaos... but it doesn't lie about the Imperium in the slightest anywhere else

Though I imagine this 2011 book is a bit outdated on what's canon given their theft is now fully explained along with giving them a mummy named Erda

>>96917094
They devourer is also a warrior weapon. In fact, one of their only two ranged weapons. The other is the deathspitter

>>96919510
>In theory, a battleship is a work of impossible artifice yadda yadda
I really, really fucking hate this shit that Warhammer always pull off. Everything is irreplaceable, everything is painstakingly handcrafted one by one, everything is immensely costly and rare and precious. No, they aren't. Battleships are still churned out at the rate they blow up, bolters aren't hand crafted otherwise you'd never supply the mehreens, terminator armor is abundant because terminators keep exploding when breathed on. Somehow more archeotech or dwindling weapons keep getting used abundantly. I could tolerate it in fantasy with "elves are a dying race. Btw every year the dark elves invade ulthuan and both sides take fifty trillion losses" but 40k just abuses it.

Redpill me on pic related, is the hate towards it justified?

>>96919777
Lucky 7s
Is that the black templar codex artist? The one who likes long necks
His auto boltgun is funny. It's so short and the drum is so small it surely holds less than a normal mag

>>96919777
It's a perfectly functional game. Some might argue it's a little too forgiving and over the top at times. It's definitely more skulls and flamethrowers than dead acolyte.

>>96919730
No 40k numbers should be taken at all seriously, starting with the prices.

>>96919928
I know, but then just fucking make some sensible numbers instead of churning out bullshit and going "erm don't take is seriously" especially when they tell you moments before to take it seriously

>>96919730
>bolters aren't hand crafted otherwise you'd never supply the mehreens
Why not?
Countless worlds
Each chapter is limited to a thousand menreems

But yes, I don't like the lore too sometimes

>>96919934
I didn't mean, "haha it's just wacky fun not srs bsns" (though that's true), but "GW has absolutely no grasp on numbers and you should not expect any of them to be useful".

Hear me out:

Femboy Space Marines

>>96920045
Marines aren't bottoms

>>96919730
To be fair the normal immobilism of 40k (before nu-lore) meant that all those losses happened about at the same time and many chapters were understaffed and underequipped. For example by the time of the 13th black crusade the Ultramarines still hadn't rebuilt the 1st company lost on the Tyrannic war, and all the chapters involved in the Badab War were in the process of recovering their losses

>>96920075
I don’t know anon, they kneel for the Emperor. Pretty gay to kneel for another man.

>>96920117
I'm sorry you have to project your fetishes not only onto a commercial product for children, but onto the gay community
I'm sure you look pretty in makeup, at least in a room without lights

>>96920165
Thanks anon, appreciate it

>>96919623
>Though I imagine this 2011 book is a bit outdated on what's canon given their theft is now fully explained along with giving them a mummy named Erda
It's exactly as you say. Creative writing because the real reason hadn't been decided yet. You can find something similar in the Deathwatch core book, which details their creation on some big conclave on some rando planet, until the War of the Beast series came out and officially created the Deathwatch there.

>>96920165
Very odd post

>>96918157
I think Primarchs being closer to chapter masters and not giant ogryn superheroes would be preferable honestly.

>>96919730
Can't read or won't read?
>In points cost, armament, survivability, and overall battlefield impact, an Imperial Navy battleship is worth exactly two cruisers. They're not that fucking special.
The point has already been made, dude.

>>96919730
Some of those things can be painstakingly crafted and rare in the sense that say, only 1/10 forge worlds produces battleships or titans or whatever. But at the same time, there is a shit Ron of fucking forge worlds, so even if only 10% can make battleships, that can still mean hundreds being made per imperial year.

>>96919777
its a generalist game that does nothing well. there is no reason to play it instead of its many competitors.

>posted on a local gaming group discord that I want to run a game in the coming month and wanted to know who was interested
>1 response
Brutal. I miss my old group. Never thought I'd have a hard time finding players.

>>96923722
Remember, people in this thread LOVE to say "Oh if you just run truecanon you'll drown in players." No. It's hard enough to find players in general, let along those who don't want nucanon.

>>96920045
There's enough over the top masculinity in Space Marines that you can twist lore into something homo, but it'd be gachimuchi, not femboys.

>>96923862
I'll show you who's the boss of this battle-barge.

>>96924010
Fuck you.

>>96924038
No, fuck you, leatherman.

>>96924010
>>96924038
>>96924149
You know sometimes I forget why I even fucking come here. And sometimes I'm reminded.

Funny question, is there a full gallery of the marble busts and black and white sketch portraits from the HH books anywhere?

If only I had the same motivation for writing actual campaigns as I am at coming up with random encounters and short one shots.

>>96925593
Use your players as the source for stuff. Yesterday's dumb shit is tomorrow's new campaign.

>>96925593
You can string a bunch of one-shots together into a campaign. Treat each one as an episodic mission in the life and times of your kill-team/warband/squad/cell.

>buddy pulls me into a Black Crusade game to pad out numbers
>ask GM about setting specifics, type of game they plan to run, background lore, etc
>crickets.mp3
>mention I'm not sure what to play, GM says "it's fine, we'll do character creation in session 0"
>session opens with constant slaaneshi codpiece/buttplug jokes by GM
>canned_laughtrack.wav
>not a single sentence of anyone's backstories or character concepts is requested or remarked upon
>20 minutes in, GM pipes up with "oh my goood is everybody ready yet?"
>still figuring out my characteristics, dark gods, give me a minute man
>I have not been spoken to this entire time, decide to let them figure their shit out while I finish my sheet
>"okay so you're on a spaceship and you're gonna go do some corruption, there's a forgeworld, agriworld hiveworld, whatever. where do you go?"
>lowest effort description I've ever heard in my fucking life
>mentally check out, abandon sheet, slash volume on discord call, go solve IT scenario worksheets instead
>listening with half an ear, vague impressions of yet more slaaneshi dickjokes and a khornate punching people's heads off
>fuck it, I don't need to be here, leave call
>half an hour later I check back and the server's nuked
my expectations were low but holy fuck. do good black crusade games even exist?

>>96925856
Black Crusade is a really hard game to make any good that attracts people that think Chaos is simple to portray.

>>96925856
Most 40k RPG is hard to play and run, as the setting is rather special, since Gods exists and the mentality of the Imperium has been turned into a running gag at this point.

>>96925856
Seems like one of the two types of dnd games.

>>96925856
Yes, but you have to make pacts with the dark gods to get them

>>96925652


Well I'm doing a bunch of disconnected adventures currently and trying to seed characters and factions that could be used later but I struggle with thinking of any overarching narrative and weaving it in

So far it's just been you scatter the fell myrmidons, you virus bomb the sheep squeezers of Splaticon V, you steal a daemon blade from the nibble pibblies etc without any greater plot immerge.

Do weapons used in exterminatus fuel Khorne? He demands slaughter but I wonder if he approves of such impersonal attacks.

>>96927100
There is no greater worship of Khorne than to invent new means by which to murder. The stone to the sword, the sword to the gun, the gun to the bomb, the bomb to the laser; all of it is an act of worship. Nuclear warheads, gravitic weapons, cyclonic torpedoes, singularity guns, chrono-weapons, hellbores, gridfire, spatial inversion - every weapon is an altar, every life cut short a prayer.
Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows.
Only that it does.

>>96927100
He'd certainly prefer you go down and take the skulls yourself, but he isn't going to say no to such large-scale death.

>>96927100
If you dedicated it to him absolutely. If you mean just in that it killed people, probably somewhat but not nearly as much as if you killed them all by hand or had them dedicated in his name. Khorne doesn't get to claim every single time someone kills another being, since Nurgle and the other gods have their worshippers killing in their name all the time, and the Necrons and xenos and Imperium do too. If the mere act of killing empowered Khorne, then he would be permanently ascendent as the most powerful god, and the other three would unite against him. As that doesn't happen, there must be a specific cut-off point.

Can a person request to become a servitor? Like someone trying to escape debts or just doesn't want to think anymore?

>>96927418
If they're very stupid, yes. The mechanicus will have him enslaved before he can come to his senses.

>>96925856
It's simultaneously
the second easiest rule book to read (including supplements)
the best on creativity, explaining how to use skill checks in RP and fully explaining the entry level perspective of being a renegade or heretic without/within/beyond the imperium
and the worst in terms of balance and rule errors, including a pointless official errata

I could talk your ear off abou-
>"We'll do character creation in session 0" (session 0 is session 1, "Hurry up!")
>buttplug jokes
Oh.
That's my experience with D&D.

>>96927100
Depends.
Exterminatus is one of those parts of 40K that raises too many questions if you think about it. The concept of nuclear war for us was never very good to explore in this setting about Sci-Fi medieval knights fighting green fungus men.

>>96927418
>"The mafia are after me, I gotta get out!"
>"I don't want to think, thinking is too hard"
What if I tell you that servitors are made from
>vat grown bodies
>criminals
>slaves
and that there are very rare edge cases in some dubious secondary material that says the Mechanicus basically harvests law abiding populations for servitors.
Of course you can request it! You're just fucking retarded and in a well written story you'd get an ironic twist of fate where you're sent to work alongside servitors but all your problems are now worse AND you're having to pray twice as hard for a sin of coveting thy master's servitor's life or something.

>>96918157
>do we go back to original Rogue Trader era, where Leman Russ was just a chapter master
... do you mean Leman Russ 2 or Leman Russ the human in power armour?

I have the opposite experience with those I'm with.
>go to "old"hammer - everyone reverts to starry eyed teenagers who love models and will tell you how much they love bolters and how many variants there are in [random white dwarf issue]
>go to "nu"hammer - everyone's on edge, politics is at the front of minds, "I hate the new models and the gay arse names"
Anyone whose first experience with 40K is 10th edition (or secondary materials) can't gel if they don't immediately immerse into "old"hammer when presented, but the simpler naming conventions, especially for marines, get them hooked mostly.
I know products can't sit still else the company will fold but everything from The End Times onward has been marmite. Well, rancid marmite, with the spoon held by a commissar demanding you to agree the Emperor was always an ork and nothing has changed, to say the least.

>>96918085
As opposed to what, being a Retcon Cuck like yourself who just opens your mouth under GW's arsehole and thanks them for whatever latest nugget of filth they shit into it?

The only canon is headcanon. The only headcanon that's correct is mine. End of.

>>96925856
I cannot understand how a GM can be so utterly passionless as to not be able to give adventure details to player during character generation. Tying the player’s backgrounds into the adventure is the most rewarding part of being a GM.

>>96923836
I have never seen such a sentiment being posted. Why are you like this?

>>96927196
The murder part empowers khorne. The invention part empowers vashtorr.

>>96928795
DnD rot. Really. The average dnd game is senseless roaming and doing randumb shit, occasionally looting a dungeon. You bring that mentality to BC, you get what anon experienced. Lolrandumb fucking about with no regards to PC backstories as they're just numbers on a sheet

>>96893854
Well we have our first major departure from canon, someone picked Ferrus Manus and he won't have he ferrous manuses, instead of drowning Asirnoth in magma he baited it to the tops of mountains to get struck by lightning until it died, then he skinned it and intends to use the living metal to eventually make self-repairing armor for the honor guard he'll eventually get. I told him that he has to know this is probably going to bite him in the ass later, armoring his most elite soldiers in Necron nanobots, and he said he's looking forward to the eventual fallout, that it'll make the eventual Heresy more interesting to add a deash of Necron.

>>96930996
What kinda system did you settle on?

>>96931030
We adapted the Deathwatch rules for Genesys, then combined the Astartes & Primaris elite advances with custom additional advances made with the Supers setting layer, tailored to the primarch's different traits, with some adjustments to how some of the powers work since Supers heavily favors Brawl over melee and 40k's not really like that. This means Lion and Corax will get their more recent powers earlier, but IDGAF. Sadly though there was no way we could find to replicate Corax's bird swarm power. We got Ferrus (he'll need a new name), Fulgrim (Femgrim, female players get Matriarchs & female Legions), Angron (he's going to try to avoid the Nails), Sang (also female, looking forward to the Mean Girls drama with Femgrim), and Guiliman. Some massive breaks form canon, but that's the point, to see how things play out differently.

>>96930996
I had an idea for something similar, but as more of a Diplomacy-like boardgame with light roleplaying. Characters would draw event cards for battles, traumas, or glories, and it would give them different personality traits. Could never figure out how to instigate splitting the table in the actual heresy part without some sort of railroading, though.

>>96931145
>more of a Diplomacy-like boardgame
I think it might be fun to have some side adventures taking over territory. Make the team warmasters and all. Definitely something I may consider for the next series. Have you considered looking at the codexes for ideas? The crusade sections have things that sound like what you need.

>>96917682
I would say that, in the event a Rogue Trader gets a Battleship, will likely have the Imperium scheming of ways to take it back.

>>96934555
That'd most certainly occur, if a WEAK rogue trader were to get their hands on a battleship. The type of rogue trader who can own and operate a battleship in the first place isn't the type of rogue trader who would fall prey to such a scheme, not unless it took over a century to bear fruit - at which point you're not engineering the repossession of a battleship, you're engineering the downfall of a dynasty.

>>96934555
No. Many Traders have High Lords at their back, their Warrant might entitle them to a specific ship or class of ship, and if they happen to salvage one, that sounds like a win for the Imperium, not a loss. Warrants entitle Traders to do and have certain things, to the point that they can tell even the Inquisition to shove it, to an extent. A Trader having a battleship is a non issue.

>>96934732
>>96934957
That doesn't sound like what the Imperium would do in the slightest. I guess that's your opinion, and it's wrong. I repeat, the only canon is headcanon, and the only headcanon that's correct is mine. End of.

>>96935098
You seem to be under the impression that the Imperium is a single great huge heaving behemoth which Rogue Traders exist somehow apart from. This is not merely fallacious, it's retarded. If a Rogue Trader got themselves a battleship, the Imperium already owns that battleship by dint of the Rogue Trader being part of the Imperium. Individual factions, such as the Imperial Navy or an Inquisitor Lord, may want it for themselves, at which point it becomes a question of "Can I take this from this guy, and if so, would it be easier than getting a battleship from literally anywhere else?"
>I guess that's your opinion, and it's wrong. I repeat, the only canon is headcanon, and the only headcanon that's correct is mine. End of.
Do the thread a favor and go sodomize yourself with phosphex.

>>96935268
Too bad in REAL 40k phosphex doesn't exist anymore, you mongoloid. Keep your garbage to yourself.

>>96935098
Ok how about this. Cite your source that they can't own a battleship.

>>96935374
>implying ten thousand years of phosphex production will just disappear because one angy boy on Mars stepped on the USB drive

>>96935442
Don't let him sidetrack you with arguing over something meaningless.

>>96935513
Excellent point anon, let us instead discuss cool homebrew. Picrel is my attempt at halo needlers from a while back.

>>96935616
Yours and the blamite in GER both did similar things with supercombine, but yours has big damage with armor and toughness, while GER has low damage but makes it ignore armor and toughness. It's interesting.

>>96935442
That's...exactly what happened, Anon. There is literally no more Imperial phosphex in real 40k except for the relic Phosphoenix. Only Chaos gets it because Mortarion knows how to make it.

>>96935616
Brother.

I never really added the seeker bit because it seemed to work different in every game. When I revisit it for Project ND, I may tie it to DoS on the BS test.

>>96935956
We are two of soul.
Also realizing I never actually gave them a Seeking value, wondering what that ought to be.
Getting the supercombine will need 4 DoS for the rifle and 6 for the pistol, I should probably make that more achievable - not to mention the fact that any successful dodge will avoid it by dint of turning a hit into a miss. I might want twin-linked on the pistol, in which case I can knock it down to S/3/6 and still maintain the canon 7-shot burst.
At least I think it's canon. If it isn't, what the fuck did I base that number on.

>>96936213
The way I decided, the needles stick around for a bit, so you can build up the supercombine over multiple rounds. Needler supercombine changed over the course of the different games. Some games needed 7, some needed as many as 13.

https://halo.fandom.com/wiki/Type-33_Guided_Munitions_Launcher

>>96935892

That reminds me I should give my BC players some plosphex and other HH era warheads when they either find Curlys Gold on Sacgrave or accept some inducement to travel outside the vortex to a lost Great Crusade era ammo dump like GW loves to pull out in stories.

>>96936366
I figured relying on actually counting the hits would probably slow down gameplay, abstracted it instead. Needs tuning still.
Glad to know I didn't pull the number out of my ass, though.
I do feel a bit dissatisfied with my pistol, 1d5+1 pen 1 is basically never going to deal damage outside of the supercombine. Not sure how to fix that.

>>96936705
I ran into the same problem until I made it ignore armor and tuffness. Against the needles, you still can shield/dodge. That way, the needler spits out guaranteed chip damage that supercombines for big score of mortal damage.

>>96936705
I should also say that I too tried to have supercombine tied to needles in a single round once, but it almost NEVER occurred, and the players felt it was ass. So I moved it to hits over time, but damage of initial needles was low so it was still ass. Blamite went through three iterations of playtesting with different teams before I got the workable current version.

>>96936809
I walk a well-trod path it seems.
If I do give the pistol Twin-Linked (and knock it down to S/3/6) that'll let BS 40 manage it roughly 10% of the time for the pistol, the rifle won't manage it without aiming. 1e attack bonuses make that 30% (pistol) and 10% (rifle), 2e attack bonuses make that 0% and 0% with no overflow - BS 41 would have a 1% chance for either. Assuming a half aim and taking accurate into account, it then becomes 20% for both, 1e makes it 40% (pistol) and 30% (rifle), 2e makes it 10% (pistol) and 20% (rifle).
Player BS usually runs between 40-60, with extremes of roughly 30-80, so anyone who builds for it should be able to achieve them fairly consistently - were it not for dodge.
Dodge is countered by Seeking (X), I'll need to consider what sort of numbers that would require to be impactful but not broken. Other players shooting a thing and expending its dodges is also possible, but that requires coordination, which should not be assumed.
And of course none of this pontificating resolves the issue that 1d5+1 isn't going to so much as scratch anyone. I could boost pen - these things are fully capable of sinking a shot through a power armor helmet, after all - but orks will still shrug it off.
I don't want to just admit defeat or go copycat, either.

>>96931120
So the guy playing Ferrus revealed his plan, no iron hands means no Iron Hands, he's keeping their old name of Storm Walkers and playing it up by emphasizing Arc weapons over bolters, and since the character needs a new name he picked Sigmar. Considering his general dislike of AoS, I choose to see this as based.

>>96937102
Is he still playing Ferrus as an asshole?

>>96937122
So far, less of an asshole.

>>96937160
I suppose without the literal iron hands that kind of works. Less personal strength more strength as a fighting force. Is he getting along with Fulgrimina like in canon?

>>96937182
We haven't all met IC yet, we're getting short solo sessions to play out their backstories, first group session is tomorrow night.

>>96920075
Wasn't Eidelon or one of the other Emperor's Children Machari's bitch at one point?

This does get me thinking. I can imagine it would mean the stats spiralling out of control, as usual, but… if one REALLY had to, how would one stat a Primarch in the FFG system? I mean, if it can handle a C’tan Shard…

>>96937541
This is what we ended up doing:
>>96931120
Capeshit in Genesys (it's an FFG game, it's fine) is made to emulate comic books, more punching less stabbing, but with certain adjustments it works pretty well.

>>96937713
I know that’s what you did, Anon, that’s why I was wondering if it was possible WITHOUT using Genesys.

>>96937802
I don't think it can work in a percentile system, by it's nature you can only get so good at something before advancement just stops meaning anything, and I don't think that allows enough room for the appropriate disparity. A Primarch would have to be so good, that no normal character can rival them. Remember, Sigismund was the equivalent of a small snapping dog against Fulgrim, he caused some physical harm, but Fulgim didn't have to actually fight him in order to win.

>>96936213
Needle rifle has no homing in halo, only the pistol. As far as how good, probably 2 at most. They do home in just fine, but the projectiles aren't very fast and you can sidestep most of them. Standing still or moving slow is a death sentence from a pistol burst however.

>>96938057
I thought both had homing, but it was a lot more impactful on the pistol since its rounds were slower, giving them more time to curve. Could be wrong though.

As far as I can tell, sanctified psychic powers in any ffg system do nothing -any specific powers that have it already affect things the same way as sanctified weapons by dint of being psychic.

Any idea for a houserule on the topic? Was thinking extra damage, but that seems a bit meh. Persistent penalty for things with the daemonic trait or corruption points?

Only War DM's, do y'all use the logistics system for player gear or do you just arbitrate what's available and what's not on your own?

>>96938182
Maybe have it do extra damage against xenos and daemons/chaos worshippers? That feels like the easiest example of something to go for, full on "smite the heretic" and all. They did something similar in the Owlcat game and even if the actual power was lame I did feel disappointed they didn't re-use the scaling up if the enemy was a heretic on any other sanctic ability.

>>96938085
If the rifle has it (I only played reach so I'm familiar with that version) it was negligible because the projectile was hitscan, or fast enough to be hitscan. You gave it Accurate which is good enough, no need for more keyword soup

>>96936809
Hey Shas
In Fear and Loathing (v1.8.15), there are a couple of abilities (like “Hunter from Hyperspace” and “Neural Disruption”) that the Duke of Deathmarks possess, which does not synergies with the Hexmark destroyer lord upgrade. Is this intentional?
Fx “Hunter from Hyperspace” will basically summon a Hexmark with a Synaptic Disintegrator, instead of Enmitic Pistols.

Why is the 40k rpg so infested with shitty homebrew.
Everyone seems to believe they are smarter than actual game designer and end up making shit worse

>>96939836
Possibly (among other factors) because, as a GM and a (co)player of mine has once said, 40k is a setting where each ball is bigger than the other, and thus everyone has reasons to think their numbers and relations to be better and more accurate.

>>96939836
Every slightly popular RPG has lots of homebrew.
Most people are smarter than "actual" game designers.

>>96939836
Most of the people in this thread ARE smarter than the game designer.

>>96938182
I would just have it do extra damage equivalent to the targets daemonic TB. That’s basically what it does for sanctified weapons.

>>96917682
Why would they even want one? Imagine the mainteance costs. Battleships can't land on the ground and most worlds don't have space stations capable of docking them either. You'd be limited to depending on a few core worlds for logistics instead of roaming the frontier.

>>96939836
homebrew is based and trad, fuck off retarded consoomer

>>96940841
>Imagine the maintenance costs.
>the maintenance costs.
>maintenance costs.
>costs.
Nigga I'm a fucking Rogue Trader, I got so much money I literally have a mechanic dedicated to me being able to by whatever the fuck I even want and the question is just whether I bankrupt myself immediately.

>>96940841
Barely any voidships can land on a planet in 40k? You use shuttles for stuff like that.

>>96940841
Will you shut the fuck up already? It's been eminently proven that nobody else in this thread agrees with you, quit spamming just because you hate the concept of people having cool shit.

Who’re the antagonists of your game, Anons? I’m running official endeavors so mine are just Hadarak Fel + the Warboss the from the Frozen Reaches + Karrad Val

>>96940841
>costs
The bridge of the last Trader I played had a live orchestra pit to play appropriate music. It had massive silos full of thousands of flying, volkite-armed combat servitors that would teleport en mass onto enemy ships. We had a strip club with exclusively Eldar dancers because I could afford to pay them such obscene amounts of any form of currency they might want that they agreed to shake their tits for mon keigh for a few decades. Armor over critical areas of the ship was partially plated in auramite, if the campaign had kept going I'd have covered the whole ship eventually.

>>96943202
Deldar, orks, Minotaurs chapter, various corsairs of different species, the Tau but they're strictly regional, another Trader that's such a Blood Angels simp he drinks blood.

>>96943202
Myrchella Sinderfell, currently.

>>96943202
The antagonist of the last series was a godlike Old Slann of the Juridicial rate hellbent on destroying Necrons and anything they touched. The next series probably won't have an explicit antagonist. The one after that, I can't really say right now.

We know tau "skimmer" vehicles have dual antigrav-and-jet system (what kind of jet it is isn't specified, maybe turbofans, although it's weird that no part of the engine assembly is circular). How do they reverse? Devilfish (and other vehicles on that platform) can probably pivot their engines backwards (I don't know how far they can pivot on the actual models), but Piranha and Tetra don't have pivoting engines. None of the engines have thrust reversers of any kind either.
Also, for Piranha and Tetra, they have their jets fairly close to the ground. How do they deal with stuff getting sucked into the engine? IRL managing debris on runways is kind of a big deal.
Am I missing something (I'm not a mechanical engineer)? Or is this the kind of stuff you're not supposed to think about in 40k as a setting?

>>96943490
>How do they reverse?
I assumed they just rotate in place rather than back up. You can't count on xenos scum to be practical.

>>96943249
Does the Rogue Trader have a specific relationship to the Blood Angels or is he just a simp?

>>96943574
One version we heard was that several members of his family got inducted but he failed, and became obsessed. But the guy himself never really said so we never found out of it was true, and the GM uses him as a recurring antagonist in different campaigns so he doesn't tell us anything OOC.

>>96943610
My gut is telling me to go full Inquisitor on this guy. What's his name, his dynasty, his ship, what plots has be hatched, can you detail your encounters with him in order of occurrence?
It may just be Generic Antag of the Week, but it may not be, and we'll never know if we don't tug a few threads.

>>96943208
I kneel to you, swag trader.

>>96943202

My Black Crusade game doesn't have a main antagonist yet. Their biggest struggle was on my heavily extrapolated version of Messia where they plotted against an OPEC like cartel of Mekontan Promethium barons that dominate the city as Quasi-immortal liches trying to cheat death forever (since Mekonta has no concept of inheritance or transfering power so their entire cartel would collapse on their deaths) through imported juvinat, life support machines and shutting themselves away from the world (and it's toxic air)

I've been playing with the idea of the big unseen antagonist being an Eyes of the Emperor masquerading as an Alpha Legionare who pays them and gives our missions while manipulating them for some long game but I can't think of what long game.

How far does Inquisitor power level reach? First we have Kryptman who is an old detective guy with a bolt pistol and then we Greyfax and other power armored hammer wielding Chads bashing demons and chaos space marines on the head

>>96937383
Ok, first group session over.

Femgrim and Sanguinia are being very catty but also a little flirty, Girlyman seems to be rivaling Peter Turbo for autism, very single-minded, Angron FUCKED OFF after killing the Eldar hit squad and avoided slavery, then returned to Nucerian society like Chuck Norris in Forest Warrior to decapitate the leaders of society. Ferrus "Sigmar" Manus could not get off Medusa fast enough and made a Primarch scale power bec de corbin because "not enough Primarchs use polearms." Getting long well with Femgrim, both players knew their character's relationship was important to canon, me and Angry Ron's player made a bet over whether he ends up in a threesome with Femgrim and Sanguinia.

GM flipped a coin for the other Legions, heads they stay male, tails they're female, then just stopped when one result half half the total roster., because if you're going to allow female Primarchs you might as well go for it. The other Femarchs are the Lioness, Lorga, Maggie the Magenta, Jenny Kahn, Katie Corax, Vulva, and Alpharia. Or maybe it's Omegan, we can't tell.

>>96945640
As far as their ability to enforce, which means pretty fucking far, unless it starts to encroach on people who have enough power to tell them to fuck off, like another Inquisitor or equal or higher rank, the more powerful Astartes chapters (especially First Founding), the Mechanicus, High Lords, the more successful Rogue Traders, if an Inquisitor wants to take one of them on his evidence better be impeccable.

>>96945656
No, I mean the fighting power level, not they authority level

>>96945664
It wildly depends

>>96945656
They're humans in (usually) power armor, so I think a close comparison would be a Sororitas with access to the rarest weapons and gear.

>>96945688
And I replied to the wrong post. I am a retard.

>>96945694
The only way to reclaim your honor now is to commit sudoku...

>>96945642
>Vulva

>>96943208
Realistically (as homosexual as that sounds in warhammer) what would it take for eldars to agree to become strippers? While exceptions always exist, they despise humans so much you'd be hard pressed to find the one-in-a-million elf sluts

>>96945640
Everywhere from elderly men with a bad attitude to elderly men with a bad attitude who could probably go toe to toe with a greater daemon of tzeentch in raw psychic might. Anyone who lives to become an inquisitor is probably exceptional in some way. The scary ones are high end psykers - the really scary ones aren't, they just grab a mallet and go tell the bloodthirster to stop being such a fucking ponce. Eisenhorn was a fair telepath and decent swordsman and a weirdly talented sorcerer, for all he only used it for daemonology. Tyrus was crippled by a daemon as a child and now hunts them for fun - he is decidedly not psychic, just really angry. Greyfax wears even lighter armour and has been able to kill greater daemons in the eye of terror.

>>96946531
>what would it take for eldars to agree to become strippers?
In this case? Obscene amounts of dosh, in precious metals and currencies even Eldar value, several ancient Eldar relics to trade, a cunningly worded contract, and a GM who's cool enough to not make a Shyamalan twist out of it. The strip club ended up costing about the same as a very well kitted light cruiser.

>>96946919
Specifically, we just rolled crates full of weird alien money and rare substances past them until something got a reaction, and we offered enough of it to get them to agree. Half that stuff we didn't even have a name for, we'd just never seen or heard of anything like it, the aliens we killed seemed to value it, so we hauled it off just in case it was worth something.

>>96946525
We were a few beers in when we started coming up with names.

theres an extremely scuffed dark heresy campaign that I was previously a part of (had to quit because of a new job) I could rejoin
previous PC was a psyker but he was broken, and I wasnt even scuffing the rules unlike basically every other PC

now, I was part of the previous session because I had the time, and took the role of some enemies to get familiarized with the current plot etc, I posted about it last thread or so

the DM has recently introduced a plothook involving an archmagos, who's manufactorum got taken over by a daemon stored inside a dagger while he was away, that the party cleared out
the archmagos is a collector, he has lots of stuff from various factions including some old stuff like MK2 power armour

now, for a new PC, could I potentially get away with a thallax? the party already has an ogryn and the only war ogryn could be a good baseline
I was thinking of tossing in some serious downsides like
>his jetpack doesnt work and cannot be repaired, its 10,000 year old technology that nobody knows how to fix
>made of metal, thus very heavy
>cannot dodge, too cumbersome
>cannot wield small arms, hands too big
>vulnerable to emp effects
>cannot be healed by normal effects, can only be repaired (party has a techpriest)
>cannot use a bunch of melee actions like feint, he's not built for that
>depending on what he gets shot/damaged by, his limbs can be shot off without going to crit chart

this is just me spitballing an initial idea to people, i'm sure theres a simpler way to make him work

>>96947099
Playable thallax are in mars needs women

Was Hector Rex’s size enhancement surgery something anyone could get to be able to fit in power armor, or was he only able to get those enhancements as a child?

>>96947099
The thallax class in MNW is pretty balanced. Allegedly, on the TT they are like better space marines (source: random comment years ago), but the version Shas made is not like that and isn't game breaking.

>>96946919
>cunningly worded contract
To be fair, Eldar wouldn't give a shit about contracts and knowing them, they'd have left at the first occasion with all the goodies. Still, cool that you got that going on

>>96946531
If you had some soul stones and they didn’t think they could just kill you for them, maybe.

>>96946531
Dark Eldar or Craftworld Eldar?

>>96943208
Cringe.
Playing beggar traders as super rich demigods is so fucking boring and gay.

Same as shasormyr playing tennis with galaxies between faggot necrons and gay "old slann" that every mechanicus fuck can defeat.

>>96917996
>Holy goddamn fuck, the term "nulore" has truly lost its meaning, and has devolved into "i don't like thing."
Because it started that way. Now every suspiciously retarded and weird decision is suspected of nulore and justly so.

But multilasers and ADB happened way earlier. Virus bomb be upon them.

>>96918972
Battleship, honestly, is not that much a stretch from a Grand Cruiser.
And technically all vessels are purview of the Imperial Navy after HH.

It's not like every RT has a battleship. Despite what the chucklefucks will tell you, average rogue trader owns about a few cruiser vessels and small fleet of trade ships.
Assuming they survive to reach "average" that is.

>>96925856
My first RP experience was abducted from what was supposed to be a DH game into Black Crusade.
Suffice it to say I didn't emerge unscathed.

But Black Crusades are very much open-topped games, unfortunately. Like RT, but worse. Don't be surprised it attracts more retards on average.

I want to run 40k for my DnD crew. Any tips? System is WANG. Never GMed before

>>96948974
Use dark heresy and starter modules.

>>96948974
Dig up Dark Heresy and run Shattered Hope. It's nice and simple.

>>96948974
>wang
You must not have any faith in their ability to grasp mechanics

>>96949121
In this case, the anon should opt for Nice Marines instead.

>>96946531
It's all about prestige, and yes, prestige is worth it.

>>96946531
>Eldar strip club
Fuck it, I'm in.

>>96925621
I genuinely can't understate how useful this is, especially for campaigns with "mystery", like an unknown BBEG and shit. Letting players come up with theories produces so much good shit if you've got decently interested and creative players, even if it's not literally what they come up with you use making use of their input is half the reason you have players to begin with.

>>96950534
Plus, when the reveal is something they've theorized in the past, they fucking love it. I know I do. It encourages more speculation in the future, gets the noodle cooking.