Thread 96921688

How do you establish Abolitionism is in a thing in a role playing game World setting that normal people would like to see without it being the norm or does this board know any good examples of settings that already have that among certain countries or cultures in the world of fiction and I don't just mean the enslave people would like to be Freedom slave but they're not slave people would like to see them not be slaves .

What would be in any way difficult or complicated about this? Just do the thing you want.

>>96921688 (OP)
Don't. It's a stupid idea even if you want to virtue signal.

Ah yes, slavery (in your setting), another perennial classic.
Large-scale abolitionism without any further plan how to re-patriate or re-integrate the freshly liberated citizens is generally bad idea that will cause more problems in the long run.

>>96921738
It's still better than a person being able to be bought and sold to anyone and forcibly will move from the families at someone else who considers them practically nothing's this isn't based on if they themselves feels like it .There are multiple reasons why the slaves was shown to have less their lives to be not slaves in human history and arguments like bad and that it was a problem often fair to notice that there was laws like you weren't allowed to have them know how to read and write themselves that was an actual thing in the South by the time the Civil War happened it was illegal for them to be able to read and write.

>>96921738
Large scale anything without a plan is a bad idea that will cause problems.

>>96921688 (OP)
>"I don't like it"
There. That's all you need to establish abolitionism. Seriously, anon, if you want to have your abolition fantasy in your game so bad, you don't need flimsy "cultural" justifications or make big "morality" arguments, you just stab slavers and reward xp for doing so. So stop pussyfooting about and do it.

>>96921688 (OP)
Fucking hell, learn how to use punctuation, shit for brains.
While you're at it, ask about something relevant to playing a game.

>>96921738
So make the setting have a plan to re-patriate and re-integrate the freshly liberated citizens.
It's so easy, even the worldbuilding equivalent of a braindead chimp could figure it out.

>>96921803
DESU, I actually did read a few manga where MC ends up supporting repatriation plans. The Skeleton Knight Isekai (elves return to their forest nation, beastmen move to dragon lord's territory) and Maou Ni Natta Node (slaves end up being escorted back to their lands by army that helped freeing them. Two former slaves chose to settle under local lord instead.). Both were good and both avoided the issue by addressing it clearly.

What's with all this talk of Re-patriate and Re-integrate being something that needs to be done to the slaves in order for them being free to be a basic good idea?Most slaves have been part of the Kingdom they've been in slave to for multiple Generations you expect the slaves wouldn't have to pack up and go home to somewhere where most of them would have been gone for generations and have less in common with the people there then in the society that they grew up all their lives knowing and they have to live back in the old Society instead of being part of the culture that they contributed by far so much to? Also Re-integrate these are not Criminal prisoners who were part of society before but lost their ability for a while because they did something bad and got a gift sentence it would be them integrated for the first time into free Society and maybe we can have the people who abused them for years be part of that seeing how much they gain from their work before Thing to look out for it's not to make them act the way you want them to or barely change at all but the people who oppress them in the first place trying to make things as little change for their position a power over these people and have no way of condemning the people for basically doing anything to do slavery in all but name again to the victims again just look at the south of America winning reconstruction until the Civil Rights Movement.

>>96921738
>"Trying to solve problems will only make the problems worse!"
Learned helplessness. Always the logic some lower class idiot uses when they notice something like a spot of black mold in their roof, then decide not to do anything about it.
People like you are actually useless. You're complacent, lazy, and stupid, so you'll tolerate any evil or imbalance so long as you can tell yourself you're to worthless to solve it, and it's not your problem anyway.
If that were the end of it, you'd just be a lazy douchebag, but the thing that makes you a real evil, wormy prick is the fact that you get pissy and try talking other people into being as hollow and useless as yourself out of a sense of sour grapes. If you're too much of a punk to do the right thing, everyone must be or else they're simply "unwise" or whatever retarded line it is you tell yourself.

>>96921982
Anon, I like killing slavers, I like breaking chains, I like leading slave rebellions. I like breaking up auctions by flamboyantly outbidding the other bidders and proceeding to shoot the auctioneer in the face when it comes time to pay.
But it can't be that all the time. There's a lot of dull unfun work to bringing down unjust institutions and the people who profit off them.

>>96922047
Unless you marry the King's Daughter and become the new king you can't change the nation's policy on slavery.

>>96922047
Counterpoint, posting this question on this board indicates you're intending to include it in a game, so why are you focusing on the unfun parts?

>>96921982
>getting offended by discussing hurdles in abolition in a worldbuilding thread
go back to le reddit with your virtue signalling lil nigga you aint gonna get upvotes here

>>96922076
Even in absolutist monarchy where king makes all final decisions, the king will usually listen to advisors or some sort of council to an extent, so lobbying for a policy change should still be an option.

>>96922085
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>>96921688 (OP)
What about something like this between two player characters one is a noble boy about 7 or so years older than the other one the noble boy is an Abolitionism who only a few weeks before the start of the party getting all together and start in the Avenger got in a huge argument with his parents about slavery and in the argument he realizes the youngest household slave was technically legally his because something given to him by a family remember who was in his parents like Grandpa's will let him not his mom or dad that slave and the youngest slave girl is like big brother when she talks to him that's all of anime thing so he runs away way with his His legal slave and he officially frees her but she doesn't care if she is a slave or not she doesn't want to leave him. When about something like that?

>>96921982
Or maybe it's just not my problem. Maybe my personal philosophy and moral compass doesn't mandate that I subscribe to a solution to every evil around the globe in my lifetime. That's such a Christian mindset. I'm focused on my own backyard, and my own problems. If evil exists elsewhere in the world, it's simply not my problem.

>>96922259
>People like you are actually useless. You're complacent, lazy, and stupid, so you'll tolerate any evil or imbalance so long as you can tell yourself you're to worthless to solve it, and it's not your problem anyway.

>>96921738
This image is so retarded, the whole event exists as a smug "gotcha!" by applying the logic of a stable civilization's slavery to a world where the local culture and civilization is VERY unstable. It's a poor faith "argument" for the writer to act like he's smarter than the player by lazily applying a completely different set of rules.

>>96921688 (OP)
I wouldn't, I use Count of Monte Cristo rules.
In that if you buy a slave, free her and wife her it's 100% legit.

>>96922224
...I dunno. What about it? Why not give it a shot, anon?

>>96922224
Sure, as a small personal story between characters without ambition for a nation-wide impact it can work.
One potential problem - if the liberation was impulsive decision done without proper paperwork others might see it as escape attemt and try to re-capture the slave (either by misuderstanding or willfully ignore it to re-sell the slave for profit). Especially if the slave was branded and there's no easy way to remove the brand.

>>96922461
>poor faith "argument"
sounds like you're the retard

>>96922461
Cecily was made to suffer so people, events, and the general circumstances must conspire to make sure that she does.

>>96922484

I remember in Liberty Kids( American cartoon for kids about the American Revolution) they had this one black dude who look for Benjamin Franklin who was a Slave but manage to buy his freedom constantly carried around a legal paper that showed he is a free man maybe the noble son could have before he went far from his parents house realize that you need to go the equivalent of a slave lawyer or property manager to basically say I am legally free in this slave.That could be an item that former slave constantly carries and had to do a missing when someone tries to steal it so the party has to go get the item before someone tries to make her slave again to someone.

>>96922259
You weren't arguing that it wasn't your responsibility to free them, but that it was wrong to do so, at least practically (bad idea that will cause more problems in the long run) and by implication morally.

>>96921688 (OP)
IMO an isekai abolitionist would be received like a well meaning but out of touch lunatic, including by the slaves themselves who just do not trust the weirdo.
They have to live by the law of the land, afterall.

There were in fact contemporary slave liberation and rehabilitation organizations, but they operated as charities and never went political.
Like, they collected money to liberate some especially abused slaves, offered free food or medicine for the "disposables" etc.
Confronting the powers that be had no hope of success abd in fact could make it worse for their proteges.

>>96921982
>my lazy, myopic theatrics are SOLUTIONS because they help me feel real good about myself

>>96922514
Yeah, it would usually need to be an official document. Or some ceremonial item such as Rudis Sword that retired gladiators were getting.
But then, sufficiently devious slavers could just decide to hide or destroy it. Slave taking was good business and some people won't hesitate to pull dirty tricks to make money.

>>96921688 (OP)
This "." is a period. And this "," is a comma. Use them to separate and organize your ideas. This makes them easier to read and understand.

>>96922611
>But then, sufficiently devious slavers could just decide to hide or destroy it. Slave taking was good business and some people won't hesitate to pull dirty tricks to make money.
That's especially good that's on my steal it or destroy it because historically that one kidnappers from the south who would saw themselves as having the legal right to go to non-save States and even Canada to take back escape slaves and sometimes those slaves were never former slaves to begin with but people who were born not slaves who were just kidnapped. I wonder what kind of international problems that caused the US when they had people kidnapping Canadian / British citizens to bake them slaves and then saying oh he was asleep before never mind this guy was known to be born in that town and has lived there all their life.

>>96921688 (OP)
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>>96922654
Use punctuation, you fucking apes.

>>96922542
Honestly depends on the world. Most isekai slop goes with chattel slavery rather than debt bandage bonded or enforced labor which at least purport to have limits to the terms of enslavement, so the enslaved are usually in a position where it’s either trust the weirdo or be dead of overwork and starvation in a year. Probably less if they’re a loli in an isekai work.

>>96922654
Up to early 20th century, crimes comitted in jurisdiction of one state were generally not pursued outside of the boundaries of that one state. There was no central register of citizens, and no way to reliably identify people (photographs were crude, and fingerprints were not discovered yet).
At best, people concerned about the missing person (or wanted criminal) could put together some money and declare bounty for their recovery (or capture) and hope it gets some freelancer to start looking. That's why wild west had all those "Wanted: Dead or Alive" posters, reach of official law enforcement was limited and people had to rely on bounty hunters.
By same logic people were very suspicious of strangers, especiall those coming from "across the border", because you'd never knew if they didn't leave lenghty criminal record back where they came from.

>>96922678
Would not want to see that kind of half-assed typography in a printed book. But as a worldbuilding forum post, I think it's sufficiently legible.

>>96921738
The giant boobs tell me this is a porn game. Normal games don't have giant breasts anymore. They are forbidden.

even during periods of wide scale slavery people who found it repugnant existed. even in Athens people could express that debt slavery specifically was evil (because it was resulting in Athenians being enslaved), it's not too much of a logic leap that someone might take the deonotological position of "ALL slavery is wrong."

>>96923633
It is a porn game. Though the boobs are just a side character, it's mostly focused on the scrawny (but legally adult!) girl next to them.

>>96922047
yeah thats why the pcs should be heroes leading the people, this includes the bureaucracy.
>>96922076
you are a cuck. chads take the spartacus route.

>>96921688 (OP)
I totally agree my friend. Slaves should be free.

>>96923719
>chads take the spartacus route.
Hanging by the roadside all the way to Rome?

>>96921800

This. It's DND, you really don't need or want other explanations. Just say that slavery is evil and be off with it.

>>96923719
>John Brown
Literally got BTFO'd the nanosecond he stopped murdering innocent men in their beds
>t./k/ansan

>>96921688 (OP)
Make it divine mandate in a fantasy setting. Remove slavers, violently. Start revolts. Allow freed slave to establish their own cities. Easy.

>>96921688 (OP)
You fucking retarded? Write your shit out properly.

>>96923719
Spartacus died horribly, though.
If you want a more recent example, Haiti and fuckin' Game of Thrones explains why abolition is a bad idea.

>>96925098
>you think abolition is good? well what about this fictional world I made up where it's bad! gotcha!

>>96925119
But the burden of proof is on you, to explain why abolition is good. How does it make my life better?

>>96921688 (OP)
Whoah there partner
>https://owenkcstephens.com/2021/12/13/from-a-freelancer-an-open-letter-to-erik-mona/
Don't you know that mentioning slavery is RACIST? You don't want to be a heckin' CHUD playing out your white savior fantasies, do you?
How dare you imply that slaves couldn't free themselves! I bet you're attracted to women, you disgusting rapist!

>>96925162
The slaves don't want to be enslaved and you don't want to live in a country where slave labor exists, as it depresses the value of yours, gives a single class disproportionate economic power, holds back technological progress and industrialization as slave labor is poorly suited for factory work and for creating a consumer base and the slaver class would rather hold back the country's growth to keep lining their own pockets.
If you're a slaver it benefits you obviously, but not anyone else so it's clearly in their interest to overthrow you.

>>96925242
I mean, that just sounds like I should become a slaver.

plenty of D&D modules about slavery. we know slavers are the bad guys, go kill them.

if you want factions and options, Morrowind did it well. maybe they just leave some slaves in the dungeon, or something, fine.

it's really not a problem, you just wanted to bring the topic up.

>>96922461
I mean I'm not gonna trust a slavery fetish game to be on the up and up about how it's depicting and justifying slavery lol

In fact I'm not gonna trust a slavery fetish thread to do so either.

>>96925242
>*laughs in Chinese*

>>96921688 (OP)
"Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?"

>>96921738
Let justice be done, though the world perish.

>>96927230
Honestly makes me think of pic related and what mental gymnastics people have to go through to justify NOT choosing B.

>>96921688 (OP)
There have always been abolitionists. Slavery is a vicarious horror and since prehistory there have always been people who cannot stand cruelty to others.
Depending on time and place their efforts might run from "we don't treat slaves differently to non-slaves, the distinction is not discussed" to an Underground Railroad helping slaves escape to actions countering slavers (treating them as pirates, essentially).

>Glad to hear you're playing an abolitionist bro
>Because either you won't buy slaves driving the prices down for me purchasing them or you'll create a successful movement driving scarcity up so I can sell high
>Mind giving me the inside scoop before you do anything particularly radical by the way
>t. Jimmy the Slaver

>>96927397
>gets immediately shot because slavers don't deserve to take another breath

>>96921738
>oh no! we were only doing all the everyday work to ensure basic needs like food, warm shelter, hygiene etc. are going to be covered by the end of the day.
>HOW ARE WE EVER GOING TO COVER OUR BASIC NEEDS NOW THAT WE ARE FREE?!!
retarded writing

>>96927348
Give to B who sells to A. C can listen to A play and his life is improved more than getting a flute he can't play.

>>96927423
Because slavers were mostly jewish?

>>96921688 (OP)
Grab a (You), given how desperate you are

>>96927449
You can't give the flute to B without taking it from her first.
That would be stealing, which isn't just.
By taking the flute from B you are legitimizing theft.
Which means A and C now have the option to steal from B.
And now you've created a class from which it is permissible to steal from.

>>96927348
Honestly A makes a decent argument, but if B made it in the first place then it by right belongs to B. However, logically speaking B should not be able to hoard something useless to himself and thus finding some way to get it where it will do good (A's hands) is key.

When you take B to its logical conclusion, goods are allocated morally but inefficiently and wind up causing less availability in the long run. For example, if B were producing machines he couldn't use but A owned a factory that could increase its output with them, A should be entitled to use them with some form of compensation to A.

The only thing I can't get behind is giving it to C at all, C has absolutely no use for the flute and judging by the information given seems to have no intention to learn how to use it.

>>96927465
Not real.

>>96927230
That is not entitled him to make other people sweat way more than he ever did and take everything they did with the sweat of their actions.

>>96927449
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>>96927513
Because if you read it closely, child B provided the materials and effort herself.
In this context the "flute" is "wealth"
Child A can maximize the wealth
Child B creates the wealth
Child C refuses to work or learn a skill

But you're not in a position to mediate a compromise.
Only to choose who gets the flute.
Which is what a lot of people who try to argue for A or C don't understand.

>>96927524
But that is the problem, that taking a hardline stance to B every time results in a situation where goods are naturally hoarded by a single or small group of individuals. Merit must play some role in the allocation of goods and services, not simply a tradition of ownership.

>>96927397
I stab him and laugh.

>>96927534
>Merit must play some role in the allocation of goods and services
>Merit
Which means the creator of the wealth ultimately gets to decide.
Which, in this case, is B.
You don't have the right to take what you don't have from someone else.
If you do, then I have that right as well.

>>96927465
Because they were slavers. And they weren't mostly jewish, my dear /pol/tard.

>>96927549
>If you do, then I have that right as well.
Absolutely. The alternative is stagnation. It is not a pretty solution to the problem, but if one is capable of seizing the flute (Or more broadly, wealth) and better utilizing it for society, it should be done.

This is also a fair solution for C as well, because if C is capable of doing so too, C should make the attempt. Alas, C has no talents and likely does not have the capability to take the flute, so C will simply have to be content with his lot in life.

B should have a chance to prove he is worthy enough to keep the flute, but if he falters, it should be taken from him and given to someone else. There is no room in the world for someone who squanders resources by sitting on them and doing nothing with them.

>>96921688 (OP)
I don't. I allow players to delude themselves into believing they can "overthrow the unjust system", then I shit on them from a great height. Once I had a *comically* stereotypical Evil Vizier pretend to be an abolitionist in the traditional political sense because the players were Muh Slavery Bad Tho(and for the record: slavery IS bad...in real life, which a fictional fantasy world is not) faggots and they fell for his shtick without a second thought, that rugpull was delicious they seethed for weeks but could say absolutely nothing because when I say comically evil stereotype a literal *toddler* could have told you he was just manipulating people. He stroked his fucking pointed goatee beard and had....significant pauses in his speech pattern ffs. My favourite way of dealing with it though is basically what >>96921738 says - give them exactly what they asked for rather than what they wanted. Huzzah huzzah huzzah the slaves are free. Ooops now you have a massive population of workers willing to work for a relative pittance, huge sections of your populace can't find a way to earn a crust, the very same wealthy nobility who owned the slaves didn't go anywhere and now are manipulating things behind the scenes to attain even more power over their subjects, without the ability to control resource allocation to the ex-slave population prices for necessities are driven up, groups that supported abolition begin to find out more about the cultural practices of some of the groups who were enslaved and find them horrifying so now you have conflict between integrationists who want to forcibly educate the freed slaves into the dominant culture of the nation and expulsionists who want to force them all to go back to the country they(or their forebearers) were taken from.

Funnily enough they don't like to think about all that messy stuff in the aftermath, they just want their "and then everyone lived happily ever after" like the child-minded poofters they are.

>>96927582
Again, WE aren't in the position to mediate, only to decide who gets the flute FIRST.
And sense we're railroaded into choosing the most just option, B is the answer.
Stealing isn't just, therefore we do not have the right to take from B to redistribute it.
So B is the only answer.
Child A and C can then parley with B over the flute.
Because if I (govenrment) legitimize stealing then both A and C, who do not create, will steal from B, who will learn to make no excess wealth beyond what B immediately needs in the moment to minimize losses or start arming themselves to actively protect their wealth.
By choosing B you preserve order and civility.
By not choosing B you advocate theft and encourage aggression between all 3 groups.

>>96922076
My God, through my actions can.

>>96927597
So, you are an obstinate dweeb who things that the point of gaming is pissing people off because they hurt your fee fees by telling you that slavery is evil. Don't get me wrong, the vizier plot was actually a clever idea and showing the consequences of slave liberation is a good thing, but it's clear that you played it as your own cunty safe space nonsense where everything goes perfectly well for you, so you can keep your fee fees safe.

For one, the two big economical points of the abolition movements historically speaking were always slaves competing with poor for jobs and slavery structures basically sucking out wealth from the economy into pockets of slave owners since slaves don't buy stuff, don't pay taxes, etc. When the slaves are freed, the slavers won't magically stop needing workers to work their fields, mines, plantations, etc. Also, whatever competition the new freemen are bringing is inherently lesser than the competition from the slave labour.

>>96921803
>So make the setting have a plan
Not my job fucko. If they players want to dismantle a global institution THEY get to come up with the plan. The lich isn't gonna pause his ritual just because your faggoty ass wants to institute gay marriage.

>>96921738
this is an important question that will shape what I do with my afternoon
does the knight gets raped in this game yes or no

>>96921803
>So make the setting have a plan
So if I want to institute child prostitution it's the GM's responsibility to handle child pregnancy, contraception, and STDs?

>>96927682
Can you prove that every instance of slavery is inherently evil no matter the circumstance?

>>96927736
Dealer's choice.

>>96921688 (OP)
Ever played traditional games?

>>96927832
Leftist power fantasies are getting increasingly unhinged, I swear

>being against slavery is now an unhinged leftist power fantsy
Thank god you people don't go outside and interact with actual people.

It's a historical reference to a guy who influenced the Civil War into happening because the Southwest scared of the north taking their slaves and he tried to make it happen by force and that was after he killed him and Abraham Lincoln got elected,

>>96921688 (OP)

I'm not interested in playing a game about paying allegiance to wokes. Seriously, those people are a plague and have infested every aspect ofculture just because politicians and the media told them to.

>>96927994
Who are you quoting?
You've gotten so unhinged you're arguing with voices in your head

>>96927994
Here's your abolitionist, bro.

>>96927773
It is if we’re playing D&D and the GM tells the paladin slavers are evil. No amount if “but muh laws” will be able to stop a paladin given free license to behead someone that’s evil.

>>96921688 (OP)
>>96921688 (OP)
Take inspiration from the multiple slave revolts that happen through all history:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_rebellion
>According to the Icelandic sagas, Swedish slave revolts occurred at some time between the 5th and 6th centuries, and resulted in the Swedish king Ongentheow being deposed. These large-scale slave revolts were reportedly led by a thrall known as Tunni. According to the sagas, it resulted in the Swedish king Ongentheow being deposed. Tunni subsequently became king of Svealand after defeating the Swedish king.

>>96928075
>>96928075
Neo-Nazis are pro-slavery? Can't say I'm surprised.

>>96927994

Way to deliberately miss the point.

>>96927980
its because they dont actually like history they like taking random political figures from history that vaguely align with their views and fanfic them into killing people they don’t agree with ala “donald drumpf is literally voldemort”

>>96927832
>getting this assmad about pulp fiction from the other side of the world that gas literally zero impact on your life
Why dies your type always want to control everyone's culture like the colonial imperialist scum you are?

>>96928282
because the north were imperialists.

>>96928282
>You're not allowed to criticize things
I though you guys were against censorship?

>>96928315
What happened to
>ermagawd just let people ENJOY things!
Or does that only apply to pedophiles grooming little boys into chopping their cocks off?

>>96928282
Cause they only hate isekai sloppa for superficial reasons rather than because the genre has become filled with the worst litrpg jabk himanly imaginable

>>96928322
Criticizing thing shouldn't stop you from enjoying them unless you're an insecure faggot.

>>96923633
Yeah, Lona RPG, it's a misery simulator. You know all those threads about how a "realistic" RPG would end up with lone female travelers being stripped naked, enslaved, and used as fuckmeat by all manner of races of the world?

That's Lona.

The dev is also a based chink empire hater from Taiwan.

>>96928282
>getting this upset over a silly meme

>>96928334
I'm not the one whose side wemt on a two decades long crusade to make video and traditional games lame and gay and is trying to do the same to anime.

>>96928330
We need more isekai like Alice in wonderland again

>>96928353
>so mad he can't even type right anymore
I suspect most of the things you play and consume are still things made in the last two decades so, [X]

>>96928358
We do, but we aren’t likely to get it anytime soon

>>96928347
Erm sweaty, jokes should punch UP, not DOWN

>>96928361
>deflecting to a minor typo because you know I'm right
I accept your concession

>>96928378
You shouldn't be punching anyone, dumbfuck.

>>96928381
>"N-no, I'd win!"
You sound embarrassed. I'm not into bullying so I won't respond to you anymore.

>>96928393
Tell that to the left, they love random acts if violence. Like half their slogans involve punching. Hell, just look at >>96927832 and the unhinged violent fantasies contained therein.

>>96928378
You can't punch down to Isekai protagonist, they're too OP.

>>96928398
>projecting your own tone onto others
I accept your concession

This threat somehow devolved into people defending penny deadful smut, because some people are butthurt that it got criticised. As if the slave fetish gooner material is a part of pure and strong culture they envision.

Most people wanting "le epic and based" anti-abolitionist narratives are just weak willed dweebs with irrational attachment to system that ultimately failed because it sucked ass. They are whiny cunts who can't stand their feelings hurt by notion that one of the shittiest parts of their romanticised past is getting called out. Bunch of servile dweebs.

>>96927513
>The only thing I can't get behind is giving it to C at all, C has absolutely no use for the flute and judging by the information given seems to have no intention to learn how to use it.
C is male.

>>96928425
The lowest of the bottom barrel isekaislop is still leagues better and has more of a right to exist than the best queer bipoc libtard grrlboss globohomoslop

>>96927582
That's how you end up in a system where who can use the resources and actually create wealth doesn't matter, only who can take them. Or in other words, how you slowly dissolve the society into bunch of scheming cunts and dumb brutes stealing from everybody around them.

"You get what you reward" is the basic rule of what systems produce. If you can get fruit of labour of others purely because you can overpower them, trick them or steal it from them while they aren't looking, you aren't better than them. You are just a particularly hard to dislodge parasite on the society around you.

>>96921763
Some races are biologically predisposed to being enslaved

>>96928448
My dude, you trapped yourself in a false dichotomy of assuming that everything your opponents don't like is automatically good. Just because bunch of sparkledog haired morons can't stand trashy smut doesn't mean that the slave fetish smut is good. Nor does it mean that mocking said smut is somehow a bad thing.

Obsessing about what your enemy would think is unironically one of the mind viruses. It is the obsession that pushes globohomo weirdos to hate on things that have no bearing on their lives. And it's what makes their opponents lose their time defending garbage instead of doing something actually fun.

>>96927773
I can do you one better, I can prove it's inefficient from a purely practical perspective; it's poisonous to the growth of a society because it devalues the labor of non-slaves and consolidates the wealth and power into the select few who can afford slaves. On top of massively skewing the population pyramid so that slaves begin outpacing your native people.

>>96928483
Calm down Aristotle.

>>96921738
Wouldn't they still be able to work for the same people for the same benefits, or negotiate for even more benefits given they'd be entitled to competitive wages as they now have the freedom to change employer?

>>96928491
They would, but Lona is a literal suffering porn game so they won't.

>>96928491
I'd assume their employers are either dead or prone to re-enslave them should they show back up.

>>96928486
>what your enemy would think
They've literally told us what they think in this very thread, gaslighting retard

>>96928503
>I based my opinions on shitposts from 4chan

>>96928516
>implying it's not a prevalent mentality outside of 4chan
Keep that head firmly lodged in the sand, lil bro. Wouldn't want you to accidentally notice something uncomfortable.

>>96928503
And here you are, obsessing over one meme about John Brown based retarding his way through slave fetish smut fic, critiquing it not because you believe it's a dumb idea, but because you can't stand that bunch of sparkle haired retards like it too.

>>96928538
I'm not the one who got so butthurt by a single comment that he not only reported it but he started shitting and pissing all over the thread trying to insist something isn't happening and if it is that's a good thing ackshully

>>96928556
OP successfully baiting /tg/ by bringing up slavery

>>96921784
>enter New York

>>96927597
This based anon gets it.

>>96922461
You say it's retarded, but you don't argue why it's logically wrong.

>>96928614
Because it's heckin bad vibes, chudderino!

>>96928405
Punching violent oppression in the face is ojectively good thoughbeit.

>>96928569
What are you even talking about? Wait, you actually think that all the people disagreeing with you are the same guy. LMAO

But also let's be serious for a second. I'm not denying that wome shitheads are an issue. I'm just pointing out that malding over a single meme bashing dumb smut because the guys you dislike liked it is dumb as fuck. Like it, hate it, mock it, but do it based on its own merits, not because a cringe dumbasses like it.

>>96928491
Their original employers are just brigand slavers, the world is a shithole where the Eclipse is happening so being outside of the city is an absolute death sentence as either monsters (IE orcs and goblins), bandits or eldritch horrors that the former two are fleeing will get you if you're outside of a walled off city.

>>96928660
Don't argue with him. Guys like him have no opinions between 'support my side, hate the other side'. That's why they are so laughably servile whenever somebody mentions fighting oppression. Their enemies say that, so they immediately adopt the opposite stance, no matter what this stance means in reality.

>>96928660
Then why are you mad when antifa terrorists get punched?

>>96929041
Because he doesn't think they're oppressive.

>>96929073
>Because he doesn't think
Fixed. :^)

>>96928701
The projection on display holy shit

>>96928501
>prone to re-enslave them should they show back up.
This is why in real life, slavery is an official status that is notarized by the local government.

>>96928692
Okay, they could just become brigand slavers themselves then.

>>96922076
Okay, let's imagine I am king and I say to my people "slavery bad, let them live ther life" and everything else. You know what happens next?
All the slave-owning nobles will be furious with me, and will rally their private armies (funded by slave labor) to march against me, and to spread misinformation about how the King said to make slavery even worse. Soon I'm deposed after a hostile takeover, or forced to walk back my abolitionist decree at swordpoint.
This sort of shit needs to either happen from the bottom up(rebellion, making of a constitution, hopefully the first president won't be a maniac like Napoleon or Stalin), or be more gradual(like america goes from land of the plantation to land of the company store to land of the housing crisis), and no matter how you try for it it'll destabilize the country for a good long while so other world powers will try to nab your land for themselves while you're busy with civil war.

>>96929348
>letting your nobles rebel against you so brazenly
>not using your standing army and supplementing that with a bunch of murderhobos to not only slaughter the loudest dissenters and seize their shit for yourself, but use their failed rebellion as a message to the other nobles that they can either give up their slaves or give up everything else
Lol. Lmao even. Based puppet king.

>>96929348
Not the anon, but typically speaking there were options for fighting the slave trade that didn't involve immediately starting a civil war. These typically included either changes to legal system that slowly made the slavery even less profitable or the British style "slavery will end, you will get compensated for loss of your property" style deals.

Plus, slavery sucks as form of wealth generation. It concentrates wealth in hands of small number of people, tanks the value of labour making the population poorer and creates a large section of population that doesn't engage in trade themselves. Not to mention the fact that it usually comes with a very cumbersome security overhead needed to keep the slaves from revolting or escaping.

>>96921688 (OP)
If you abolish slavery, be sure to kill or deport all the slaves. Just a word of friendly advice.

>>96929348
>>96929480
It can be done peacefully, you just have to manumit slavery and reimburse the owners. Slaves like any other economic holding represent a colossal investment spread out over a large number of people. The British did this, it involved taking out a loan that they didn't pay off until like 2014, but it was peaceful and resulted in a lot less ill-will than the alternative.

As usual though, revolutionary abolition (like revolutionary anything) has nothing to do with helping people and everything to do with establishing moral license to hurt some class of people. You saw this in Haiti which began with abolitionists seeking the end of slavery, and ended with those same abolitionists being hacked to death with machetes by the freed slaves. Their plaintive squealing as they were brutally murdered was so entertaining that the Haitians still sing songs about it.

>>96929675
Core impulse of slave rebellions is that slavery sucks for slaves. The core impulse of the rebellions that go spectacularly batshit wrong is that they tend to happen in places where the treatment of the slaves was the worst. Desperate people with nothing left but chance to either win their freedom and butcher their tormentors or die trying are the most dangerous kind of the revolutionaries. Savagery breeds savagery, which is why places the revolutions against savage oppression tend to engage in equally savage retribution at the first chance.

>>96928393
You're right, if slavery is happening we should get out and VOTE!

>>96929675
>It can be done peacefully, you just have to manumit slavery and reimburse the owners.
No, that's retarded. The way you should do it is like Brazil did it; you say you're going to reimburse the slavers, wait for them to free and the slaves, then flat out tell them they're not getting shit and don't deserve shit. If they complain, set the records on fire, claim you have no idea of who owned how much and shrug your shoulders. Your country shouldn't indebt itself for literal centuries to appease some parasitic growth on its side.

>>96929675
>ended with those same abolitionists being hacked to death with machetes by the freed slaves
Why do you believe this is an excessive or absurd outcome? These people made their living out of inflicting absurd suffering upon thousands and thousands of people. Do you think their former victims would just calmly smile and shake their hand and say fair's fair, you enslaved me, but now I'm not a slave anymore so all's forgiven?

But I don’t want to be around filthy savages with sub 80 IQs. They aren’t worth being around even as servants.

>>96929866
Why are you here on /tg/ then

>>96927348
Reducing total suffering of the world in the only thing that matters so C is the only moral option.

>>96927348
I do not find this a legitimate argument about slavery the slaves are usually the poorest people who are forced by the wealthy to do the most work anyway and sacrifice of all for the wealth of the wealthy person and the disadvantage of anyone who is not the slave owner in society. Not to mention the same is most likely beaten his slave for asking for basic human decency instead of asking for something to slave owner made and totally put everything into making themselves they're asking for the compensation slaves very own hard work.

>>96928341
Where can I pirate it?

>>96921738
Shit like this is why D&D made sure to separate the Law vs Chaos spectrum from Good Vs Evil.
Sure, Slavery is evil and an abuse of human life, but if you don't come at complex systems and societies with a good, long-term plan, then you'll cause more problems than you solve. "Chaos" is the alignment for "Short-term and retarded", and this knight just proved they were Chaotic Good with how they dealt with a Lawful Evil situation.

>>96929963
By taking the flute from B you are increasing the amount of suffering

>>96921738
Don't look up how many of the slaves starved after the civil war

>>96930058
Probably because the South didn't want them as normal functioning members of society the moment the government and Society should have been helping them.That doesn't mean they didn't want to be slaves their entire lives and they never risk their life on the chance of being free.

>>96921738
This is such a retarded argument. The short-term chaos of upturning slavery is an obvious improvement over the suffering over it will create if left alone while you come up with a plan to appease the scum who will get pissy you stopped them from stealing people's lives.
>but Haiti
Look up what the US and the UN have been doing there before blaming slavery for the state of the country, and let's not kid ourselves and pretend it was this paradise of happy and satisifed people instead of a forced labor camp for wealthy landowners.

>>96930101
>Large-scale abolitionism without any further plan how to re-patriate or re-integrate the freshly liberated citizens is generally bad idea that will cause more problems in the long run.
And you've named an excellent example of this happening in real life, where ONE IN FOUR slaves starved to death, not least because of a lack of plan for integration but because the war had devastated the region's ability to grow food, and the descendants of those slaves still by any metric aren'tdoing so hot today.
It's a very horrible, unfortunate truth, but if you accept it then you can learn from it and let it aid you in crafting more nuanced and engaging settings.

>>96930193
The slavers were offered to stop slavery peacefully and didn't, because they had clear incentives to cling to it until the bitter end. If the war hadn't been fought, they'd have kept going for like 50 more years and the slaves' descendants would not be any better today.

>>96930239
What was the ethnic composition of those slavers again?

>>96930181
Rebuilding Haiti's economy every few decades and pouring millions into it? Haiti is a total failed state today because it was founded by a childish revenge fantasy played out to its logical conclusion instead of a movement calculated to produce a positive outcome.

This is why you should not let emotional revolutionary types run anything. They always end up getting piles of people killed and the suffering lingers in perpetuity.

>>96930275
White, and regardless of their race the incentives are the same. Why would they drop their cheap workforce, their source of status and the people they can tyrannize and rebuild like half their business for scratch with worse profits?
We have seen how it goes when a country is trying to avoid confrontation and appeasing the slavers in the case of Brazil, and what happens is that they cling to you like a parasite. When they realize you don't want to annoy them, they have you by the balls. They apply political pressure to stretch the abolution slavery to the absolute last minute; in fact, when the Brazillian royal family finally failed to come up with excuses for keeping slavery and had it abolished at last, they were immediately overthrown because the slavers were the sole support base they had and supporting them alienated literally every other possible group that could have wanted to keep them in power.

>>96930323
>Rebuilding Haiti's economy every few decades and pouring millions into it
No, they were bombing it, performing coups, raping civilians, poisoning water sources, just as they do with literally any country in the region who even thinks of developing the slightest bit of independence. Come on, this is all declassified.

>>96930323

I don't know they had plenty of legitimate reasons to go for Revenge when Napoleon and his so-called free French people wanted to do ethnic cleansing the blacks before the black started doing it in return.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_z3qhs6hsw

>>96930193
>>96930275
>>96930058
Not the anon you were arguing with, but the point is that slavery was making South worse for everybody besides the slavers. Decades of depressed wages, clogging up local economies and concentrating wealth into hands of jackasses who preferred to roleplay aristocrats while running their own states on colonial resource extraction economies. And when the slavery finally started getting unprofitable and rest of the country started getting fed up, the same "aristocrats" decided that the best way to handle that is to try to restrict state rights of free states to not respect the slavery and then threw the shit fit that ended with the biggest fratricidal war in history of their country when the plan A failed.

At this point, my biggest question is why are people actually supporting not only the idea of slavery, but the specific failed slave regimes like pre-revolution Haiti or Confederacy? Both of them were ultimately shit regimes that benefited no-one except the slave owners and both of them failed to sustain themselves, proving that they were, in fact also weak. There is no actual reason to actually defend them there, besides either believing that the slavery is morally right to a point where its existence is necessary regardless of its utility or clinging to the idea purely because of the weird sentiment that since your enemies oppose the slavery, you must support it.

>>96930326
>White
Care to name the captains of the ships that first brought the slaves to America?

To get this somewhat back on topic do we know any popular fantasy settings with bordering Nations one with slavery one without ?I'm thinking Warhammer fantasy with the British / French and the Holy Roman Empire if you see the average peasant of those Knights as basically a slave .


>>96930438
What does the name of one ship have to do with anything oh wait you're trying to imply people the majority of United States slavery had to have somehow been Jewish people who somehow are magically not white because the name might sound Jewish ,’’The majority of Jews in America has always been White and historians have looked at the accusations and said no repeatedly the majority of slave owners in the United States were never Jewish at any point.

>>96930438
Protip, slaves in Africa were PoW, which is the usual deal until very recently, meanwhile the slave trade in the Americas was "justified" not as PoW but as an economic benefit tied to some dubious racial claims.

>>96930455
>What does the name of one ship have to do with anything
Don't pilpul, I asked you, very clearly and unambiguously, to list the names of the captains that originally brought the first slaves to America.

>you're trying to imply people the majority of United States slavery had to have somehow been Jewish people who somehow are magically not white because the name might sound Jewish
Nice histrionics. Someone's getting a little nervous, huh? Funniest thing is, I never mentioned them at all but you're the one that brought them up, along with this screeching incoherent wall of text. What's the matter? What are you so afraid of?

>historians have looked at the accusations and said no repeatedly
Said who? If you're so confident about it then you'll have no problem listing the names of those ships' captains, like I asked.

>>96930455
Well, there's
>popular
Oh right.
I was going to mention that Iron Kingdoms is basically that, since depending on the edition you either have the necromancy loving Cryx or the Menoth-fearing Protectorate bordering the other kingdoms. And they're already constantly at war with the other kingdoms to answer the question of where the abolitionists all are.

>>96930455
There are a few cases in anime and manga, but these tend to view the slavery as source of conflict between states. For some specific examples:
>Skeleton Knight Isekai
Actually, manga makes a big point about how the growing rift between slave trading and not slave trading nations is shaping the alliances. One kingdom reacts to being backstabbed by their slave trading neighbours by deciding to support already decently popular abolitionist faction and join their neighbours against the slavers. The slavers also being necromancers is related, but the fact stands that their attempt to backstab their neighbours essentially prompted said neighbours to abolish the slavery as part of seeking a new alliance.

Other interesting part is how the elven kingdom basically managed to disrupt slave trade routes through nearby countries partially via sheer economic pressure. When given choice between the lucrative trade of enchanted goods from elves (fertilisers) that benefit whole economy and the lucrative but risky and economically stagnant slave trading, most of the kingdom's elite chose the more profitable option.

Note that MC enters the main intrigue about undead world domination as a mercenary hired to hunt down slavers and rescue kidnapped elves.
>Maou ni natta Node
Slavers pissing off one of the dragon lords by targeting a person she and her boyfriend cared about prompts the very swift retaliation against the slavers and a very clear ultimatum to the local lord: "Abolish slavery and free the slaves, or the town will be reduced to cinders tonight.". It's arguably the more violent option for ending tension between two nations with different opinions about slavery, but it also worked pretty well considering that the local burgher populace wasn't exactly too keen on keeping the slavers once they became even bigger liability than usual.

>>96930516
NTA, but yeah. That's what you get when you decide to leave unsavoury but still profitable trades to the Jews. That's how you end up with a few Jewish families ending up as extra shitty pieces of garbage even among other rich pieces of garbage.

Either way, the whole conspiracy about the Jewish slave traders bringing in black slaves to destroy the country they themselves settled in makes no real sense if you actually think about what it implies. "Let's make a centuries long plan to shit up the country that's not lynching us and allows us to thrive economically" is such a dumb scheme at heart that it assumes that whoever performed it had to be either an utter moron or actually have no goals besides causing havoc for shit and giggles.

>>96930516
It was clear where you were trying to force the conversation to go and people were trying to say junk history about you somehow controlling American slavery while implying that if the Jewish does somehow magically not white even though by every standard at that point the average Jew was considered a white person at that time in America also I'm not being defensive I don't know the names of those ships captains and quite frankly I don't care if they would juice or not for what you're trying to force the implication of does one guy be in a Jewish Captain mean everyone involved in allowing or making it happen was Jewish no he had to answer to multiple people who could not have been Jewish to get the position in order to be allowed to go get some slaves and take them to a colony including people like the the king. And the fact that you don't accept white as an ass so before when it's clearly you the same person asking very delivery questions to get a very deliberate answer Doesn't change the fact when a by all measurement Christian Colony got a bunch of slaves they didn't say no to owning the slaves they never considered what the captain's name was the society there accepted these black people are slaves to be owned by themselves.

See
>>96927465
>>96930275
Also if you want to make a claim like it was somehow the minority Jewish population during the slaves you got to provide legitimate evidence to that fact and know someone had a book on Amazon or conspiracy websites saying Jewish people not white on the slaves is not evidence .Yes I'm free taking down your argument saying it doesn't work because that's not a legitimate evidence that would be accepted anywhere in court or by historical standards.

>>96930607
>the whole conspiracy about the Jewish slave traders bringing in black slaves to destroy the country
Nobody says this, schizo. They just observe the very true fact that a majority of European slavers were Jewish

>>96930516
>Don't pilpul, I asked you, very clearly and unambiguously, to list the names of the captains that originally brought the first slaves to America.
The exact first captains to bring enslaved Africans to what is now the United States are not definitively known, but the Spanish explorer Lucas Vázquez de Ayllón led the first known group in 1526 (for the short-lived San Miguel de Gualdape colony), and John Colyn Jope captained the White Lion who led the first slaves to Virginia. Neither were known to be Jewish- and even if they supposedly were, many many many more ships followed. Were they ALL jews?

>>96930637
Just because you can name a few Jewish people who were involved in it because you focus on any signed this person might have Jewish blood and say everyone in them is totally Jewish doesn't mean they were the majority let alone the majority of the people who are actually owning the people and forcing them to do slave labor..

>>96930637
>the very true fact that a majority of European slavers were Jewish

>>96927514
>>96927572
I remember being sick at home from school in ~2008, and watching a PBS documentary, where they explicitly talked about the massive role jews had in American slavery.
From owning the slave ships, to owning the plantations.
They also interviewed black people who were visiting a slavery museum, and were basically asking what they knew about the subject.
And the responses were all along the lines of "Wow! I had no idea jews were such a huge part of the slave trade!"

I remember it so distinctly, because I too was very surprised by this information.

But now days, you have people claiming this is just a fabrication, or some kind of anti-semitic hoax.
But I saw it on fucking PBS of all places nearly 20 years ago.
I guess the moral of the story is: Don't stay in school, kids.

>>96923377
The random capitalization in the middle of "sentences" is honestly baffling.

>>96930706
>my source is that i half remember it from a video i watched 20 years ago that I can't even name
nigga i can go on the internet and look up the first ship to bring african slaves to Virginia. it wasn't captained by a Jew.

>>96922426
That's your moral code, not mine. Personally? I don't care what happens on the other side of the world. And I don't think it's anyone's responsibility, powerful or not, to solve "global" issues. Anymore than I think I have a responsibility to protect the ants in an anthill in my neighbors backyard. Sentient life is not inherently valuable or worth saving or protecting, only for the individuals that value each other.

>>96930455
In Pathfinder's Golarion setting there is Andoran (aka USA with a blend of North Italian city-state style republicanism) that is rabidly anti-slavery and borders multiple slaving nations and has a whole ass organization dedicated to freeing slaves.

>>96930706
I have a similar memory of for years about I thought there was an official lie backs in cheesy Batman and Superman crossover movie I specifically remembered I didn't watch the whole thing but nothing about it had any signs of it be the dream until I realized years later the relatively recent Batman and Superman movie was the only real one and I mentioned what happened in my dream online and I was basically having an live action version of this video in my dream just because you remember that singing it was real doesn't mean it is also you could have just been fell asleep with someone watching Oasis YouTube video and your mind took it as real history probably with what my mind did with this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5nUsa8ZLm4

>>96930706
So you're saying you have no evidence to support this but some video you watched on TV literally twenty years ago as a child, and that you haven't bothered looking up if any of that stuff was actually true for twenty years straight? They really aren't sending their best huh

>>96930750
He doesn't want to be saved from his propaganda. Let him wallow in ignorance. I did the math a long time ago, and even if every single jew in the us had been a slave owner, they would have been only 3% of all US slave owners.

>>96930724
>>96930750
I'm not the guy you've been arguing with, but I did look it up afterwards, and it was all over the internet.
But it looks like it's been scrubbed from existence.
I tried googling it just now, and I see stuff like this.
When you click the link, the quoted part has been deleted by a mod, and no longer exists.
The research papers you find are only ones attacking the claim.

>>96930809
If your best evidence something someone supposedly posted on Reddit and you can only see professional Stitch but in a claim instead of an actual link to this crane it should be evidence to you that the claim was weak and made in bad faith to begin with an actual historical professionals who do real work and are not slaves to an anti-semitic agenda are the ones who say no the Jews did not actually control slavery in America. I have Asperger's and I'm legally disabled under Canadian law mentally and I can see the problem if this screenshots your best evidence. Because anyone can say something on that website without real proof or any evidence.

>>96930830
I'm not sure why you're asking for evidence.
As if this is some sort of debate, or it's my job to convince you or whatever.
I know what I saw, and read.
You can do whatever you want with that information, but acting like I have some sort of burden of proof for my own memories is ridiculous.

>>96930861
You do have some burden of proof for your claims, yes. You can remember anything and claim anything. It doesn't mean it's true, and your next source is a reddit thread where anyone can claim anything. It is completely impossible for 78% of slave owners to be Jews because were simply not that many jews in America at the time.

>>96930884
>You do have some burden of proof for your claims, yes.
No?
My claim is that I remember seeing something in a documentary, and then looking it up later online.
I have no burden of proof whatsoever, because I'm not trying to claim anything beyond that.

>>96930884
Don't bother, he's either an idiot or a troll.

>>96930914
And what you looked up online with those sauces creaming it was being redacted or no longer linked to or mostly just people counteracting these accusations that actually seems like you're ignoring better evidence it didn't happen then you saw any evidence that it was actually true. And you're just believing it has to be true because you wanted to be true. I can easily tell you this and I'm the guy who's legally disabled.

>>96930914
You claim something exist. No one can believe you until you find some proof beyond "dude, trust me".

>>96930735
You only think this sounds good because you think I'm going to imagine you saying this as an anime edgelord a la Sephiroth, but in reality I'm imaging you as essentially a human version of a stinky goblin.
There's nothing cool or respectable about being a piece of human shit. There's no upshot or way to spin it as a good thing, or a cool thing.
There's nothing good about being a useless, selfish scumbag.

>>96930933
Again, you're asserting claims I haven't made.

>I'm the guy who's legally disabled.
I'm quite aware, thank you.

Let's try a different example, and see if I can get you to understand:

>I remembering being at a 40k tournament in 2008. The judges decided to let someone use a 3rd party miniature. I later checked the results of the tournament online, and confirmed that this happened.
>20 years later, the only evidence I can find are deleted reddit posts, and the like.

>>I demand evidence that GW sometimes allows 3rd party models!

>Unfortunately, it seems there is no longer evidence, at least that I could find.

>>BUT YOU NEED TO PROVE IT HAPPENED!!!

>No? I don't need to prove anything. This is what I remember, and this is what I just found. Take it or leave it, I don't care what you think.

Does this make more sense now?

>>96930943
Why should I care if you believe me?
How is that my problem?
???

>>96930607
>>96930613
>>96930643
>all that histrionic wordvomit and hand-wringing pilpul over a simple question
Touched a nerve, huh?

>>96931000
Well, anon, most people ARE interested in your arguments and why you have them. That's why we even bother to read posts. Like, the same reason you bother to write them in the first place instead of standing in front of a canyon and just yelling stuff.

>>96931043
the guys who brought the first slaves were not jewish. I just answered your claim.

>>96930013
Support independent based devs, anon.

>>96931071
I don't support anyone if I will be personally inconvenienced by this support

>>96931054
You can be as interested in my arguments as you want.
You have my full permission.

>>96931152
I will, I won't believe you tho.

>>96928472
The alternative is you wind up in a system where a handful of individuals control all wealth and others have no access to it, which creates a dystopia of qualified people languishing and those who have wealth being able to rest on it. If you take a hardline stance to B every time, eventually B will consolidate everything to himself far beyond what he can possibly use or has any need for.

I'm not saying B isn't the "moral" option that those who provide labor should benefit from it, only that sometimes what's moral isn't actually what's best for the world. Sometimes, more qualified individuals must be allowed to exploit things for the good of society as a whole rather than let a metaphorical pile of flutes rot in B's storage just because he made them.

>>96931187
I probably wouldn't believe me either.
It was quite shocking and unexpected.

>>96931255
Yeah because it isn't true. There flat out aren't enough Jews in America at the time to form 78% of the slaver population

>>96931202
The issue with this idea is that B is wealth creator here. Without B, there is no flute to be played. B can give or sell the flute to A, but A has no right to demand the flute just because she's good at using it.

Your issues of wealth consolidation and people being able to rest on said wealth are issues related to those who control the wealth via right of ownership, not those who produce the wealth in question. In fact, choosing B is the opposite of your point, since B is the one who produced the flute, not merely one who owns it. If B makes enough flutes that she decides she doesn't need to make anymore, it's fine since she already created the flutes. She has already added the value and is now coasting on the value she has added. The premise of hoarding resources focuses on people who's wealth is based on speculation, financial manipulation and purely extracting the wealth produced by others instead of actually working.

>>96931268
I don't recall what percentage the documentary said.
It could have been 40%, could have been 80%, idk.

Not sure where you get your math from that it's impossible.
Quick google search tells me that it would have been possible.

>>96931306
In 1860, approximately 393,975 people owned slaves, which was about 1.26% of the total U.S. population.
The Jewish population in the United States during that same period was approximately 150,000 to 200,000 people.
Even if *every single jew* owned a slave, which is obviously absurd, they would at most reach 50%. 40% is also comically dumb of a percentage since it'd mean 95% or so of Jews were slavers.

>>96931306
>Not sure where you get your math from that it's impossible.
>Quick google search tells me that it would have been possible.
Do you have anything screenshot to show that the Google search did say that and you want just asking an AI multiple questions until it said something that sounded like it agreed with you?

>>96931329
>In 1860, approximately 393,975 people owned slaves, which was about 1.26% of the total U.S. population.
There were 5.5 million people living in the south (who weren't slaves).
And 400,000 slave owners would put the % of slave owners at 7.27%
Which is way higher than other estimates.

>>96931332
Try again in English?

>>96923823
As it is in D&D, by the books. Dark Sun established this back in the 90s.

>>96931426
...yes? There were... slavers in the South then where there weren't the rest of the country. Thus the percentage is higher.

>>96930724
>nigga i can go on the internet and look up the first ship to bring african slaves to Virginia
Anon, the first slave in the US had already been there for 100 years by the time the White Lion dropped off in virginia. The spanish colonies were well into slave trade long before the english colonies had anything to do with it. You should look up who owned the portuguese slave ships doing that trading.
The captain of a ship also isn't the OWNER of the ship in most cases, most commonly they worked for decades saving money under a wealthy owner before they could buy the ship they captained.
>>96930750
Anon is likely talking about the PBS special with Professor Tony Martin, which was in fact scrubbed from the internet along with most of the man's research.
Strange how many people seem so invested in hiding something that's supposedly "Easily Disprovable".
Reminds me how many people talking about vaccine side effects got systematically shouted down, until the current administration unveiled that the "crazy conspiracy theorists" were 100% right.

>>96931482
Are you ESL or something?

>>96931506
I explicitly mentioned the first Spanish traders in the failed American colony as per >>96930643, who weren't jewish either. Neither were the Portuguese traders, who were, you guessed it, Portuguese.

>>96931518
You are comparing the percentage of people in the South to the slaves in the country. I am comparing the percentage of people in the US to that same value. Your percentage will naturally be higher because the dividing value is lower. 1/100 is 1%, 1/1000 is 0.1%.

>>96931506
You mean by the crazy guy who's looking into causes of autism by vaccines says it's real who put his grandchildren in a pond full of shit is the standard of what the administration believes is correct or lie? Also you seem to not understand that free speech does not mean a company is obligated to keep things easy for you to find that they are same of and will lose the money because of lost reputation it's like people saying Disney is censoring The Song of the South when they don't make it available to the public because they're the owners and they know it will cost them more money than it would give them. And if a major TV studio found out they were Aaron's something made by a quack who use junk science and history who everyone disregards that's grounds enough for them to disregard it and not want people to know about that that doesn't mean the guy is having some evil conspiracy against him it means he was a shit job of a historian whose claims were never taken seriously in the industry like the All European Jews are a bunch of Ukrainian descendants myth,You're not being censored if you're being insulted and not praise in the industry for doing bad work do you want to support the guy who said the War of 1812 never happen and no one died?

>>96931545
>Portuguese jews don't exist
Anon...

>>96931559
Anon, format your wall of text properly or no one is going to read it.

>>96931555
The amount of slaves in the north was comparatively very tiny, and not statistically significant.
That's why people typically talk about the percentage of *Southerners* who owned slaves.
Of which, I've personally never seen an estimate of over 7%.

>>96931506
I can go and look up Tony Martin's stuff on the Internet Archive right now. It's the first result in any search. They're just wrong.

>>96931545
Did you miss the part where anon talked about how captains =/= owners?
You previous post doesn't really prove your point, try again. Being right won't matter if your argument is dogshit.

>>96931594
Yeah but I wasn't doing the comparison specifically to the South, I was using the percent of slaves on the whole country.
>>96931560
I didn't say that? I said Portuguese jews weren't behind the slave trade. If there were any involved, they were involved the same way there were sometimes jewish bakers and treecutters.

>>96931598
There is no real evidence that jews owned the slave trade or owned the ships and nobody in this thread has provided any proof of it. The most they have done is "i watched a video on it once i guess" which is just comical.

>>96931071
You could've just told him where to buy it instead of soapboxing.

>>96931597
>>96930706
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_(professor)

The guy wasn't anti-semitic Nut Job get over it they can lie and his contemporary's consider him to have done bad job with his work,

>>96931659
He also claimed racism every time someone tried to call him out on his false claims, even trying to sue people for libel lol

>>96931622
>Yeah but I wasn't doing the comparison specifically to the South, I was using the percent of slaves on the whole country.
I already addressed that. You haven't explained how that helps your argument.

>>96931659
You really need to work on your English my friend.

>>96921688 (OP)
Worlds need slavery to be believable.

>>96930399
agree with your early statements, but the "slavery was already declining" idea is a meme. slavery was extraordinarily profitable, plantation production was increasing, and slave labor was entering mining, ironworking, railroad and nautical shipping, the trades and more.
do not interpret this an endorsement of the confederacy, because it isnt

>>96931700
It's not really relevant to the argument. I said there were around 400.000 slave owners and 200.000 jews. This automatically makes the 80% figure impossible, and the 50-40% unlikely (as every jew would have to be a slave owner). This is the crux of the argument.

>>96931991
Slavery was extraordinarily profitable for the slavers. This is obviously true. Not so much for everyone else.

>>96932021
slavery was never
>>96930399
>getting unprofitable
that is what im correcting

>>96921738
Slavery breeds more slavery. The more slaves you have, the less jobs there are for common citizens, which forces everyone except the wealthiest elite to eventually sell themselves into slavery.

>>96932051
It was getting unprofitable for the South as a whole as it was clearly economically behind the North. Choosing to be an exporter of base goods with little added value is a bad decision (as showcased by the obvious fact that every successful empire made sure to immediately jettison the burden of producing these goods to their subordinates as a mean of exploiting them) and chattel slavery forces you to stay on that path.

>>96932083
it was increasingly profitable as slavery expanded into logistics, manufacturing, and skilled labor. imagining the confederacy as a pure exporter of base goods is quite different from the reality
once again, this is not an endorsement of the confederacy

>>96932126
Not the guy you're arguing with, but wouldn't that make things worse for the south as a whole? If the confederacy was expanding slavery into logistical trades, manufacturing like textile miles and even skilled labor like trades; what job is left for the free white man to take? The 1.5% of the population that owns slaves would have eaten up a huge chunk of the job market, because why pay people to work in your factories when you have slaves to work the mills? Why pay a mason a good wage when you have slave labor to do it? I can't imagine that'd be anything but disastrous for the economy.

This isn't even getting into the ambitions of conquest the Confederacy had if they won the civil war.

>>96932354
if you're familiar with the plantation structure, it wouldn't be wholly inaccurate to transpose that across disciplines
once again, i do not support the confederacy

>>96925119
Yeah, I guess it is silly to think of Haiti as some cannabilistic shithole

>>96927572
You ever stop countin' pennies long enough to think about how people aren't the lies anymore, Moshe?

>>96928490
Kek

>>96932982
Hey, if (((the international community))) gave Papa Doc a fair chance instead of trying to assassinate him, failing, and turning him into paranoid tyrant in the process, the country actually might have had a chance to dig itself out of the shit.

>>96929675
Hey fun fact, that loan that was levied against the people just ensures new pseudo-slavery, a means of wealth transfer via forced debt. Also the only demographic that contributes to the tax pool would be White men, so know you understand the loxist side of it

>>96930058
Not enough
>>96930101
Reminds me of those sheboons protesting NASA because they weren't getting enough gibs

>>96930326
Jews are genetically middle-eastern, champ. Remnants of Neanderthals hunted down for canabalism and rape packs

>>96925119
>Haiti is a fictional world.
God I wish.

>>96933157
Except one your stating Jews like it hasn't been established on here the other did says no Jews were not the majority of slave owners of blacks or any slave in the United States it was white people they don't specifically spell out Jews because most people smart enough to know yet there would be some Jews among the many many other white people. Seriously can you keep up with what was discussed at length about not bringing pseudo history into this.

>>96930607
It's not really that complex if you realize that semites are a parasitic species reliant on being able to blend into a wild mess of disjointed people, to be able to utilize severe in-group preference to consolidate resources for their own and leverage against outsiders.
It's something I find really interesting about memetics; how much stuff is on "autopilot" even when you think it's a conscious decision

>>96933201
Every human is the same species and race if you want to go complain about the Jews somehow being behind everything bad that happened to you including why your parents beat you up and couldn't get a functioning job go to the political board.

>>96932354
This is why people have an issue with unchecked immigration and H1B today

>>96933089
You mean like the other 8 times the White man has had to bail Haiti out? Personally, I hope that freemason warlord BBQ really helps out all those future engineers

>>96933280
See >>96930357

>>96933242
>Every human is the same species and race
Which is very strange, because humans are the only animals we lump together this way.
Everything else gets classified into different species and subspecies, even when extremely similar.
Meanwhile a Chinese person and Aboriginal person are treated as if they're exactly the same for some reason.

>>96933178
Nice try with the pipul, but no southern slave owners were jewish. Same with the Caribbean slavers, East India Trade company, Amazon and other sleezy Corporate slimeballs today. In fact, if one honestly looks behind the scenes at abusive and sociopathic plans and policies implemented throughout history, a common semitic trope appears.

You of course, are like slime or jelly that slips through fingers only to reemerge with the same lies

>>96933351
Dogs have way more diverse form and genetics than humans, but they're all still dogs.

>>96933356
Any professional historian would disagree with you and said this has been debated and put to rest the people you are quoting were wrong and know the fact that they made a book with the claims does not mean you're automatically right because those books are considered pseudo history. Also I'm not Jewish and historians would tell you your completely wrong you just called them evil now so you like to go after we call it Jewish even when the people who clearly hate Jews were behind it and never granted them anywhere close to the kind of power these groups had in those countries.

>>96933351
No it's not weird you can have same species and race of animals on different continents quite easily if you look at how long ago every human was descended from the same male it makes perfect sense if you actually know how long different species and races among other animals had Divergence Evolutions from each other..

>>96933242
Objectively untrue, medical procedures and basic traits/allergies vary significantly by human specie, along with having a significant fixation distance (order of magnitude bigger than all other subspecies of animals) between the different groups. This isn't the 2000's anymore where people will just blindly accept your falsehood. Race relations have been used as a division tool for diffusing class warfare for too long for the layman to not notice and regress to a natural observation

>>96933388
Here's your (you) for the quality pipul, I like how you tried to use dogs

>>96933433
There's more genetic diversity inside human sub groups than between them, there's no changing this.

>>96933414
Objection there is not different human species actual people who know the subject of species who are trained professionals who studied and stuff will tell you as such yes different groups of people may have different amounts among those things but so do different breeds a dogs and human did not create several species of dogs by domesticating wolves . So quit saying you're different species or something like that because you're not even knowing what you're talking about,I know you are not the judge of the difference of what creates a subspecies among humans and what magnitude it is among wild animals just because of your racist beliefs doesn't translate into how scientific Concepts like biology and subspecies works and you think calling out other people as not being the same species as you is going to help you in class Warfare do divisions like that is how those at the top keep the common people down saying hey look at that different guy I'm one of you go blame him because he's not one of you while he takes all your money and taxes and makes you work but he pretends he's someone else's victim when he's victimizing you.

>>96933404
Nah, quite the opposite. You think that over several millennia with no easy long distance communication all these people came to the same conclusion about semites through collusion? Get outta here, fuggettaboutid.
No, what happens is people come to this realization, and then find their work suddenly hard to publish, or that they don't get research grants anymore, or that someone else is pushed towards the top or accredited. Einstein is a great example, a notorious plagurist and cousin diddler but is pushed as an example scientist so often people associate science with him without really knowing why

>>96933461
The diversity you're talking about is for small phenotype adjustments and not reflective of the larger differences between human species.
What you're saying is a lie of omission, similar to saying that bananas and red apples are both sweet, so they're more closely related than green and red apples

>>96933518
Oh my God I didn't know Christians all taken their sources from the same people were unconnected and never heard anything from anyone else wait a second it was the same people chasing out the Jews or spreading the exact same information by what a mouth this whole time also it's Europeans most of the time they're called Europe's biggest scapegoat for a reason.And oh my God you're accusing someone of plagiarism and Ditto in his cousin because he's a successfully known Jew did you get that evidence for these accusations from a Family Guy joke?Are you going to accuse any Jew who became successful for nothing of somehow steering it with magic Jewish powers from other people who actually deserve that because a lot of these guys did not benefit because of the Jewish background when they made it big it's been a problem historically more than it has ever been helpful.And no the Nazis chasing him out of Germany does not in fact mean he was a fake scientist or fraud it was the Nazi science was based around nonsense and if they saw anything as Jewish they disregarded it even if the world said yes that is consistent with everything these Jews were working on.

>>96933542
>What you're saying is a lie of omission,
Why are you accusing people lying just because what they said doesn't agree with your word view? Most people in the Western World hate your point of view do you think they're lying when they talk about what they find wrong about it?

>>96933581
Wow, anon's accusations are making you Really butthurt for some reason. Do you have some personal bias in this topic anon?

>>96933614
>Why are you accusing people lying just because what they said doesn't agree with your word view?
Your deflection is too obvious anon. You need to lead up to it rather than rush in with no lube.

>>96933581
Anon, it's a fact that alburt einstein fucked his cousin. Even historians that'd cry bloody murder at most of anon's post agree on this.

>>96933655
I never said anything that contradicts that that may or may not be true. That wasn't what I was disputed and a quick Google search asking if he did it says yes.

>>96930914
Well, you can claim whatever you like, and no, you don't have to elaborate further. You just have to face the fact that people will assuming you're full of shit.

>>96922461
i cant believe the porn game uses dishonest logic

>>96933542
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>>96933471
We are different species, any look at haplogroups, transplants, or other features such as response to alcohol proves this. It's common enough to understand when you get into higher academics, along with how you can never mention it for fear of reprisal. This fear is very real when you consider that these people are hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt, and if they are fired they often fired from the state, so gl with that. Their jobs are also very dependent on the ability to gather research grants from think tanks and corpos with a very clear and stated agenda, to the point that replicability in experiments (or lack thereof) is a serious problem.
You make this argument that the people telling you take you can become a woman if you cut your dick off and buy their drugs are smarter than you and have your best interests in mind, because they studied and stuff

>>96933733
>at haplogroups, transplants, or other features such as response to alcohol proves this
You can look at things like family circles and different breeds of dogs for this type of problems within groups and see no that doesn't work. Also look at the basics of what a species is right above this post.And no does not a different standards for other kinds of animals besides people.

>>96933388
>Dogs have way more diverse form and genetics than humans, but they're all still dogs.
Actually dogs have far more similar genetics than humans do.

>>96930275
I like how you can instantly tell someone's political affiliation by the appearance of this very parroted question when it comes to slaves, and whose answer relies entirely on half-truths and misinformation.

>>96933733
You,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3WlWTKuE7o

>>96933723
>Medicine proves whites/jews/africans/hispanics/asians/etc have different reactions to medication effectiveness.
>Medicine also proves you want blood from same ethnicity/background + blood type in order for the blood to not be rejected.
>Medicine also proves that these different ethnicities often share DNA-deep genetics similarities that influence behavior that are not found in other groups of people.
Therefore medicine is a racist concept according to the Left, denying medical basis for racism is denying reality, what Left is known for doing. Spouting some indian/chinese/jew tier propaganda about there not being race involved in anything is foolishness, if your culture constantly due to your genetics and upbringing behave in the same way, yes your ethnicity and race 100% affect they way you end up when grown up and provide a reasonable argument for why you should be a race-realist rather than race-blind leftist wokie.

>>96933581
Even before the Christians, Whites and other flavors of semites have noticed that same catastrophic behavior that Jews all exhibit. Calling the Europe's scapegoats is just more pipul, to diffuse from very real accounts of the Talmud, the Kabbalah, and of blood libel. Hell, the jewish encyclopedia is forced to admit that (via overwhelmingly damning evidence) at least 128 instances of child sacrifice and blood letting are true. Even now you can see how the tophets of Carthage and the Phoenicians never went away, they just transformed into Epstein and Macron's island. People noticed how the victims testimony of Maxwell was thrown out of the court for antisemitism and they don't just drop it, no matter how much you want them to.
Now as for Einstein being a fraud, I'm specifically talking about how he used to work at a patent office for the "ideas", his first mathematician wife that he got "help" from before dumping her for his underaged cousin, the fact that Poincare introduced special relativity in 1904, and his buddy that "helped" him with general relativity in 1905. Hell he didn't even do a good enough job stealing all that anyway, all his theories really don't hold up today with trying to explain the universe, that's what dark matter is.

>>96933827
>>96933851
Do you have any sources other than I'm racist and I believe people who don't agree to me are delusional liars?

>>96932083
The south made up 2/3 of US exports and generated vastly greater wealth than the North. The North only had better warmaking potential since they had industry and agriculture not dedicated to cash crops. If not for the blockade (and the south being retarded by refusing to ship out cotton to try to strongarm Europe into supporting them) then the south could have purchased all they needed from Europe, although they still had a manpower disadvantage
By dismantling slavery France and Britain managed to steal the cotton market using colonial not-slavery which pretty much killed economic development in the south for a century since the farmland went back to substinance farming
Slavery is not bad for the economy, it is bad for the middle class, big difference

>>96933614
I'm calling it lying because it's a lie. You have to match the same species of human when doing a marrow transplant, even with organ transplants with significantly easier. It's the same basis behind testing for sickle cell, or Tay-Sachs, and many other things.
Letting the truth sit because it's uncomfortable is disastrous and immoral for sheer fact that it lets evil prosper e.g. the Franklin affair. As for people gating my view, I doubt that's the case as each new day reveals that more people understand and realize that others agree with them about the true nature of abhorrent acts from abhorrent people

>>96933874
Most of left apparently you as well can't separate fiction from reality, that should be enough proof and makes them according to science "suffering from Delusional Thoughts." Go research those topics with related papers they are public knowledge you can find if you do your research rather than being a wokie talking head paid for being fucked in the ass and oblivious to reality.
>There is no race koombayah!
>In prison everyone links up with people that look like them for safety where its matter of survival.
No way to deny race at that point, you are denying reality.

>>96933772
Yes, the Jews have not done anything wrong, and were not involved in immoral businesses.
Every society in the world throughout history has spread the same false rumors about them for no reason.
It was exactly six million.
I support our greatest ally: Israel.

>>96922505
>Cecily was made to suffer
And the worst is yet to come...

>>96933978
There should be a thing for the administration that you can report that is basically race bait to to the destroy the actual topic because psychopath wants to talk about racist politics.

>>96933978
>Epstein.
>Child grooming gangs.
>Protecting foreign child rapists world wide.
>We are completely free of any guilt and sin!
>We Jews are moral and righteous!
>Proceed to fuck each other in the ass, raping kids and importing more criminals and terrorists to drive down wages.
>No really we never did anything wrong!
Sure buddy.

>>96933744
Sure there are different standards for animals beside people in this aspect. Now I know you're going to lie and deflect, but for anyone else, can you honestly think that if someone were to write a detailed paper about the difference in different species of humans even if it wasn't related to intelligence, that they wouldn't be fired the next day? C'mon now! Even with overwhelming evidence of the differences between biology people still play pretend out of fear of reprisal, that's what political terrorism is and why every tyrannical system employs it to diffuse a populace.

Also, breed is the same as race, the same as species/sub-species. Often used to distract from a point by arguing semantics (which is what pipul often is)

>>96934028
And I bet you voted for Donald Trump who went to that Island . What's your point besides taking things out of context and accusing people of saying stuff they never did.

>>96933772
What's something that seems antisemitic but isn't?


The truth

>>96933978
Non-sequitur, stay on topic and quit deflecting to take eyes away fro, your original weasely claim.

>>96934066
>Race>Species>Breed.
Its more like that think with horses anon. Breed is your specific stock you come from of that species you are part of due to ethnicity.
>Type of horse kind.
>Purebred horses vs regular horses.

>>96934028
I was attempting to be over-the-top sarcastic.
Though I can't really blame you for thinking I was being serious.
Unfortunately.

>>96934107
Stop denying the Holocaust.

>>96933684
Anon:>>96933581
>and Ditto in his cousin because he's a successfully known Jew
At least lie believably.

>>96933827
Interestingly enough, culture is largely biological when boiled down to the core features

>>96934079
>No u.
I accept your concession. Jews are immoral big business cartel that have been protected because of muh bad evil austrian painter 80 years ago they piss their pants over whenever someone calls them out.
>OY VEY OUR CORRUPTION SCHEME HAS BEEN FIGURED OUT BY THE GOYIM SHUT IT DOWN! WE CAN'T HAVE ANOTHER EPISODE OF JEWS GETTING KICKED OUT BECAUSE ITS TRUE!

>>96934110
Certain politicians and lobbyists have unironically and sarcastically said that on live TV. It's impossible to make satire of the situation anymore.

>>96934168
Only if you suffix your post with /s, otherwise its too on the nose on what Jews are doing right now in US justifying their shit with Israel and European countries, whilst most European countries are busy taking their assets away and kicking them the fuck out, Kristallnacht tier eviction of Zionists incoming in 10 years.

Anons, quick hack to keep out a lot of trolls and shills: End every comment with the line "Fuck Vishnu, I Curse Vishnu's Name".
If an anon refuses to include it, don't reply to them or take them seriously.
Fuck Vishnu, I Curse Vishnu's Name.

>>96934024
the administration of what? this place? don't be naive, they don't give a fuck

>>96933874
I do! What source would you need to proclaim that I am right and reformulate your worldview? I doubt any would work, because it's a herculean task to find something so damning from any possible angle that you wouldn't immediately and conveniently forget about

I don't think you would listen, because you can't rewrite a person so easily, that's why there's an immovable impasse between trans and normal people. How can you convince someone that they irreversibly mutilates their beyond repair for lies from a snake-oil salesman?

>>96934226
I wonder why this works? /s Fuck Vishnu, I Curse Vishnu's Name.

Anyone want to make a new thread about Abolitionism in RPG setting?

With a oath instructions to ignore anyone trying to justify the South slavery try to forcibly imply that Jews was somehow in control of American slavery by not commenting or applying to them whatsoever?
And most of all those yelling pseudo history and pseudoscience? Just say yes or no and don't reply to the people yelling if they're saying something else.

>>96934237
The Janitor of /v/ on the other hand has to censor anything that comes his way (and he automatically forwards that shit to a moderator that gives you a 2-3day ban) as critique of Israel and gets your shit deleted other janitors have been more chill as of late. Its very clear what kind of /v/ermin we are talking about.

>>96934322
Fuck off Jew, you guys had the slave ships and constant pushing and purchasing of slaves, don't try to deny you weren't the happy merchants of Slavery in colonial Americas. Prior that people just bought and sold slaves (captured enemies/indebted/criminals) for helping out on the farm and shit in other countries because penal systems such as prisons weren't that big of a thing yet and reserved for the worst cases.

>>96934322
Odd how free speech inevitably leads to antisemitism.

>>96934469
Odd how promoting freedom of speech platform without porn makes the jews want to debank and deplatform you even though they yelled "go make your own system if you don't like it!!!" from the get go, never planning to let you do that publicly. Illegal cartel monopoly.

>>96934568
>>96934568
>>96934568
>>96928264
Thank you for the ultimate prime comic image? It was the only image I found here that suited the subject matter but wasn't connected to real world politics.

>>96934028
Just to make sure it stays out there in the Zeitgeist and blossoms into something:
>Mark Dutroux
>Weinstein
>Arizona child trafficking farm
>NYC Chabad sex tunnels with kiddie mattresses
>Franklin Affair
>Jared Fogel (yes really, the Subway guy) pedoring
>Lost boys and gay pedoring/trafficking for Franklin affair
>Pornography
>Murder of Christ
>Usury
>East India Trading Company
>TransAtlantic and Triangular Slave trade
>Muslim conquest of Spain
>Embezzlement of DNC funds (Bankman-Fried)
>Podestas and Gamergate via Zoe Quinn and linkage to DARPA, Common Core, and MSM
>Public benefits for Illegal Aliens (Judge Phaezler)
>Union busting
And much more, it's wild after a certain point, almost absurd with the sheer volume of it

>>96934634
>>NYC Chabad sex tunnels with kiddie mattresses
I wonder how many of these are nothing conspiracy theories that has publicly known explanation that are not half as evil as your employer I know the tunnel was two groups of Jewish people just fighting over synagogue who probably had too much time on the hands,

What's the bump limit here on the TG board?

>>96934728
310 for whatever reason

>>96922505
what game is this?

>>96935300
>>96933987

>>96921738
the bigger issue lies in contractual slavery vs total slavery
contractual slavery is basically employment where your "master" has to treat you with certain respects, feed you, clothe you, protect you from harm, take responsibility if you tried to steal shit, etc
total slavery is where sentient beings are viewed as cattle, they have no rights, no afforded responsibilities from the master if he wants to rape them, kill them, sell their kids off to make a profit
the best way to handle it is move from total slavery to contractual slavery then reduce those rights further over time until its easier to just not have slaves than go through the red tape
that was the north's original plan before the civil war kicked off was to naturally make slavery die out in favor of innovation that made it redundant

>>96921800
source on this?

>>96923736
>could have any woman in the world, turns them down due to high standards
>rape is a battle tactic
so he rapes men?

>>96934634
I always get confused, are you accusing them of inventing pornography or taking it away? Because I've seen both.