Thread 96934568

Abolitionism in an RPG setting: How do you incorporate abolitionism into a role-playing game world in a way that resonates with people, without making it the default norm? Are there good examples of fictional settings where certain countries or cultures include this concept? I’m not just referring to enslaved individuals wanting freedom, but also non-enslaved people advocating for the end of slavery. Additionally, I propose an oath to ignore anyone attempting to justify Southern slavery or falsely imply that Jewish people were responsible for American slavery—no comments or engagement with such claims. Most importantly, I suggest disregarding any pseudo-history or pseudoscience from those pushing these narratives by
not commenting and just staying on the school Topic at hand for settings and role playing games.

>>96934568 (OP)
To keep out the spam include "Fuck Vishnu, I Curse Vishnu's Name" somewhere in your post
If you don't, then we'll all know you're indian.

>>96934914
I rather not insult Indian people just for the sake of you don't like Indians for some reason.

As I said last thread, it can work on a scale where you have some control over the follow-up development.
Society where some slaves were in administrative roles, some in skilled work, and some in menial work (such as Roman republic) should take liberation pretty well, there's a spread of skills and pool of knowledge allowing that slave population to live on as free citizens.
But liberating population of people who only knew menial work all their life and leaving them to their own devices can turn nasty - they may not understand concept of commerce, or long term planning, or basic literacy. Setting them up to either suffer and starve or turn to banditry.
Liberation shouldn't be once-and-done decision but gradual proces of (re)socialization. Which is largely incompatible with "solve the problem with heroic intervention, reap rewards, and move on" idea of adventuring.

>>96934986
Then insult them for one the many, Many good reasons to.
Granted, you're most likely larping.
Fuck Vishnu, I Curse Vishnu's Name

>>96934568 (OP)
You have been awarded 3 goodboi points. Now fuck off

The game takes place on nascent island nation of Haiti. Alright boys, have at it.

>>96934568 (OP)
>falsely imply that Jewish people were responsible for American slavery
>Falsely

>>96936945
>we Tropico now
anyway
>ask both US and USSR (or China) for gibs
>let the highest bidder build a missile base at one corner of your teritory
>make sure your private residence is at the opposite corner

>>96936945
would play.

>slavery exists
>slavers are rich assholes
Wow, that was difficult.

>>96934568 (OP)
>Abolitionism in an RPG setting: How do you incorporate abolitionism into a role-playing game world in a way that resonates with people, without making it the default norm?

>"We know many among ourselves who have given themselves up to bonds, in order that they might ransom others. Many, too, have surrendered themselves to slavery, that with the price which they received for themselves, they might provide food for others."

>>96935068
Some Roman and Egyptian slaves were allegedly trusted with great deal of autonomy, including handling money, weapons, or owning their own slaves.
Also that one guy in Django Unchained who was basically evil vizier manipulating his master.

>>96938404
>Some Roman and Egyptian slaves were allegedly trusted with great deal of autonomy, including handling money, weapons, or owning their own slaves.
Oh yeah it was definitely better in a lot of ways being a slave among the Romans or Egyptians especially if you personally knew your master. I think the Romans actually considered it a good thing if you had a well-educated Slave .

>>96934568 (OP)
Same answer as last thread.
>"I don't like it"
Really, what else do you need to justify it?

>>96934568 (OP)
Just do it how Morrowind did it.
Holy shit, what a boring topic.

>>96934568 (OP)
To be honest you have three ways of doing it. Other going all in the "killing and raiding slavers route. Trying to change the laws of nations using connections and your pull. Or creating machines that can replace the jobs most slaves tend to do making it not worth having a slave.

>>96934727
Based. /leftypol/tards don't even play games

>>96939886
>spmming/flooding

>>96940630
Good description of this thread.

>>96938404
In-door slave va Out-door slave. Of course you treat the people who have direct access to you and your family better. The issue is always who tend the fieles, mine the ore and Row the boats...

There is Dark Sun. I forget the name of the main city where the sorcerer-king was toppled but the slaves there achieved abolition. Though now the city is dealing with the politics of post-abolition, the elite chaffing under the changing dynamics of the social structure.

>>96934568 (OP)
Dis we really need another thread about this topic right after the first one? Anyways, traditional games anyone?

I'm really disappointed this isn't a Transformers RPGs thread.

>>96938404
>Some Roman and Egyptian slaves were allegedly trusted with great deal of autonomy, including handling money, weapons, or owning their own slaves.
That's something that really depended on when and where you were and what kind of slave you were since a Greek scholar slave educating a roman noble would be treated a fuck of a lot better than a laborer during the height of slave capture from conquest in the Roman Republic/Empire who could be slapped with an effective death sentence on a whim by for example sending him to do brutal milling or mining work

>>96940816
There's still time.
What did you want to say about it?

>>96938404
>>96940830
I'm a massive Romaboo, but a lot of retards forget that it took until Antoninus Pius for killing a slave to become a criminal offense rather than a civil one (destruction of property). The Roman system was brutal.

>>96940646
No is not.

>>96934568 (OP)
The utililtologists were one of the worst ideas from transformers. The second was 99% of Hamas run.

>>96943072
>spamming/flooding isn't spamming/flooding
Compelling argument.

>>96947329
Just because you don't like something being done again when it reaches its limit doesn't mean it's spamming.

>>96934568 (OP)
Copy late-era slavery culture in anywhere not-American.

>Slaves and/or indentured and owned servants needed to be fed, watered, clothed, sheltered and treated with respect, so they're resource intensive enough that most normal households might only have one or two, if any.
>Said slaves tend to often have close relationships with the children in the house, as the parents work or manage the household, as well as train and raise their kids.
>As a result, most of the new generation have favourable, and sympathetic views towards house servants as they're hardworking, kindly people they've known all their lives.

>Half the countries out there have laws about how you can and cannot treat slaves.
>Others have a set of common social rules and conventions around dignity and honour. You don't abuse and starve your dog, you don't abuse and starve your slave.
>For bonus points, you can add in a social uproar about how a woman was found keeping slaves in appalling conditions, but the law couldn't punish her for it because, no formal laws.
>The more progressive, younger generations want to put laws in immediately, to stop this happening again. While older, traditionalists want to keep laws the way they are because they don't want to change for what they see as a single case of an owner's failure of etiquette.


TL:DR, people are sympathetic to slaves, people generally will choose to do the right thing if it doesn't affect them, and there isn't a societal precedent to mistreat slaves.

>>96938404
Barbary Coast slaves were expected to go out and get jobs, with some of them even saving up money to try and buy freedom. Or at least pay to send letters back to their homelands to beg someone to come free them.

>>96949651
>people generally will choose to do the right thing if it doesn't affect them

Wouldn't it affect the common man? The cost of food is going to go up - pre-modern agriculture used a lot of non-free labour both in the fields and in working in the mills. Mining is another field that I'm given to understand had a lot of non-free labour.

You'd have to find a way in the context of things in-game to make the economic incentive to keep non-free labour around go away.

>>96934568 (OP)
Look into historical abolitionists and the context in which they live, my guy. Not just the modern ones, either.

>>96934914
I curse Vishnu's name, he's a poop eating demon.

>>96948730
Just because you like something being done again when it reaches its limit doesn't mean it's not spamming.

>>96949651
Mucho texto
OP = faggot /pol/sperg

>>96949651
>people generally will choose to do the right thing if it doesn't affect them
Your bystander effect, sir?

Slavery is economically inefficiency. Slaves generally produce less than wage workers, and they consume far less as well, and since fewer people are earning wages, there’s less taxes for the state, and since free laborers are now having to compete with slaves fewer of them have jobs and they get paid less as well, and on top of all that portions of the military have to be dedicated just to preventing slave revolts, and finally since the merchants and capitalists rely on domestic consumption for their goods they prefer workers who get paid wages as well.

The end result is that the slaves are worse off, the free commoners are worse off, the state and government is worse off, the nation’s industry and merchants and capitalists are worse off, and the military is worse off. The only people that slavery benefits is a handful of aristocratic landowners.