Thread 96946881

Saviour of Marienburg edition

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>Previous thread:
>>96937423

>Thread question:
Let's be frank, there's only one topic of discussion that could go here. Keep talking about the stream.

>>96946881 (OP)
>tq
Genuinely why did they do it

>TQ
The models were nice, but it was a very poorly run stream and a pathetic show for a company of GW's size.

where's Yuan Bo?

>>96946965
Do white women really?

>>96946915
2025 GW standards

>>96946881 (OP)
TQ: I don't give a fuck about photoshopping. We have minis all over the GW website with misspaints, spills, chipped minis.

>>96947023
Let's be honest, if the genders were flipped and you had the opportunity you'd do it as well.

>>96947047
100%

>>96947045
Most egregious example of that kind of thing I've ever seen was back when they were first rolling out 360-degree images and for some bizarre reason the Baneblade they used was completely missing a huge section of one of its tracks at the rear. Always wondered how on Earth something like that could have gotten onto the webstore, I find it unbelievable that they only had one (1) single painted Baneblade available at the whole of GW HQ.

>>96947042
>>96947045
I mean it's just such a weird decision to make on a unit with four (4) models. Managed to paint up the peasants just fine, and they let the eavy metal team go fucking crazy on the nurgle stuff. The crane & ironhail gunners pics definitely feel like some intern's fuckup.

>>96947070
the nurgle minis look like shit.
Very much "Sanitized" Nurgle

>>96946915
because it makes the moulds smaller and cheaper so they can churn out more units instead of giving a high quality kit to a unit that's inevitably going to be very stiff in an aiming pose anyway

>>96947076
Honestly I think they're nastier than end times blight kings. Those have always been a bit too cartoony for me, same with 40kek death guard and their mouth bellies. Some dude with his guts just falling out hits harder than a guy with 20 tentacles or a bell in his guts. Also this bitch is just nasty.

>>96947070
Man, these are fucking great.

>>96947076
Really, we're gonna pretend these look bad now?

>>96947110
the whq ones look better to me, silly raised shield pose aside

>>96947110
i mean they look bad in a good way like they should. PPl just want to bitch about everything gw do. Tho im coping that beastman gonna get visual update "soon"

>>96947089
i think you missed the point, they painted two models and copypasted them on photoshop to get 4

>>96947076
>santizied nurgle
>they have visible guts hanging out

Sanitizied nurgle has mouth instead of guts, you are full of shit

>>96947220
Weird thing is that the video did actually show fully painted models, they just didn't use it for the promotional pic for some fucking reason

>>96947220
It not like the missing models have new parts, it's just a sprue of 2 models repeated twice for the crane gunners and a sprue of 3 models repeated twice for the drake guns

anyone else feel that fantasy is just kinda "the elephant in the room" with GW?

>>96947319
How so?

>>96947110
>>96947215
REEEEEEEEE HORN-BEARING SPECIES DON'T HAVE INCISORS AND MOLARS IN THE UPPER JAW

>>96947215
They are push-fit though

>>96947319
No, I don't think that [thread topic] is [latest meme]

>>96947322
its persisting popularity even though GW killed it off and replaced it
like they don't want to address fantasy but have to because theres a market for it

that sort of thing

>>96947354
Why would they not want to address it if there is a market for it?

>>96947374
they'd rather have all the "fantasy warhammer" talk etc be about AoS, their main game

Gnoblars and And there Masters Ogre who's smarter ?

>>96947388
They don't give a shit, they just want to make money.

Played a bloody Battle March battle of 500. Standard pitch battle but 15" gap under the new maps.

The Khornate horde tore through the Cathayan left flank but then the infantry were murdered. The Chaos Hero and Knights, returned to the field after chasing them off.

After a failed charge, the Cathayan infantry counter charged and drove them from the field!

Was pretty fun honestly, it all came down to one charge and if the Warriors could hold, but alas they broke.

Still, Khorne was satisfied, BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!

>>96947399
the ogre

ogres are genuinely smart, they just don't apply themselves or learn how to apply themselves better because their first answer to problems is violence, and since they're ogres, that's often enough to solve their problems

gnoblars are pitiful things, nasty, but one of the lowest of the low amongst greenskins

>>96947433
>floorhammer
nice, glad you had a fun game anon

>>96947488
Thanks mang. Ya, floorhammer brought me back to being a kid but, ironically, it ran mega smoothly. Comfy on the knees too.

>>96946881 (OP)
best TOW artwork so far

>>96947325
They're half human, fellow biology autist, there there.

>>96947218
what did you do to get that green?

>>96947433
Unpainted cathay, classic

In all seriousness, sounds like a fun game. Been having a lot of fun with battle march.

>>96947070
the Jezzails are 8 models, crane gunners are 12 but i assume they are basically hand cannons rather than guns

>>96947567
It's legit. My friend said,and I quote

>Damn that was far better than even our 1500 point battle

It's super easy to set up and just little moments like the cavalry vs his infantry block with general, 10/10.

Damn why are the latest AJs so much larger in filesize compared to the others?

>>96947784
GW stopped doing the Digital versions of the AJ for some reason

>>96947401
Just because they’re turbokikes doesn’t mean they’re okay admitting they were wrong

>>96947796
So they're high quality rips then? No complaints here.

What mercenaries work well with the new border prince lists? I heard cannon ogres or great weapon badlands ogres can do really well.

Also, can the princes use any mounts besides horses?

>>96946881 (OP)
>TQ
I liked the Cathay stuff they revealed, but honestly, since they made deal about the reveal show being the last one of the year I expected a lot more (which is my fault for even remotely having that level of faith in GW). Not just from Old World, but from 30k as well.
Also the stream was such a shit show it sucked the fun out of laughing at GW and was actively depressing.

>>96948029
>can the princes use any mounts besides horses?
Only a Warhorse and a Barded Warhorse as options

>>96947110
Strong ugly bastard vibe

I was looking at some Impala Man pages on the website 1d6chan.miraheze.org and it mentions with the Empire of few of them that certain parts of it are based off of parts of the Holy Roman Empire the Empire is based on like not just physically and I'm guessing to more or less different extents but actual historically known name parts that made up the Holy Roman Empire as a whole.So are any of the Empire's provinces partially based off of or around historical Prussia?

>>96948137
I don't think any are based on Prussia strictly Middenheim/Middenland might be the closest but even then I'm not so sure

>>96947110
What's up with the red bellies?

>>96948049
Damn. I got excited hearing about how some bretonnia or imperial options could be taken, but I guess mounts were not allowed. I wanted to avoid making new characters.

I also had some autistic back story of a border kingdom that smuggled exotic creatures that I used in ap ast WHFRP game.

>>96947401
they'd rather have my money go towards AoS to make it look bigger than TOW

>>96948183
You get Magic items options depending on how you build your character options, but it doesn't say Mount options, so I personally would err on the side of not allowing Mounts from those factions but you can easily check with an event organiser or your opponents if it's okay.

>>96948218
bad wording
"they'd rather have my money go towards AoS rather than TOW to make AoS look bigger"

>>96948237
fuck thats still bad wording
to make AoS look bigger than it is in general, not compared to TOW

Playing Underworld Denizens in Blood Bowl makes me wish that skaven could ally with O&G
>>96948176
Those are bits of muscle and organs sticking out of tears in the skin. The yellow bits are subcutaneous fat.

No new Marauders in the Sunday preview, maybe next week

>>96948137
while the empire itself is very clearly based on the hre the individual elector states don't really have clear 1 to 1 parallels, except sylvania (take a wild guess) and marienburg/westerland being dutch.

>>96948061
>even painted horizontal slit pupils
Very nice.

>>96948405
>except sylvania (take a wild guess)
Berlin isn't *that* bad

>>96948462
>Berlin isn't *that* bad
Anon the city imploded when they didn't have electricity for 3 days

>>96948041
I’m still of the opinion the new Marauders were supposed to be apart of the show but they forgot to make a special crate for the promo material so they had to reveal it sooner.

>>96947110
These are damn good. Not over the top like previous Nurgle-aligned sculpts, just the right amount of sick to them.

>>96946915
I think these look great, my only complaint is the other ranged kit having heads with the flowing hair looks pretty weird.

>>96947110
I prefer these
>>96947215
These look cool too but the naked ones speak to me more. Beastbros eating good.

>>96948544
>not even their reveal
>still end up with the best new kits
how do beastbros keep winning so hard

Today we played the finale of the Chaos vs. Empire campaign. The Forces of Darkness, consisting of Chaos Warriors (2 players), Orcs, and Chaos Dwarves, laid siege to the Empire's fortress (3 players).
Here's a photo before the assault.

>>96948692
here after the first volleys and explosions (where there is no wall, there is one, only badly damaged)

>>96948705
One of the Chaos players placed 3 (!!) Dragons.
The first one was shot down by cannons, the second one was killed by a Grandmaster, and the third one was killed by a tank.

>>96948719
The Chaosites managed to break through the first line of defense, and the defenders prepared to fight in the citadel itself, but squads of knights arrived to lift the siege!

>>96948746
The knights dealt a powerful blow to the enemy's rear...but were unable to completely route them. A squad of trolls still held sway in the towers, while squads of orcs plundered the courtyard.
The players agreed on a minor victory for the Empire!
But there will be a new campaign and a rematch.

>>96948692
Finally, this is peak Warhammer.

>>96948692
I love effortposting

>>96948705
I have those very same Bull Centaurs, happy to see them here

>>96948766
Wonderful, brings tears to my eyes

>>96948766
Beautiful battle, love the scenery.

>>96948218
>>96948251
goddamnit i can't get my wording right. what about
>AOS is bigger than TOW and i have an inferiority complex about it that i need to soothe by pretending GW is foregoing money for some kind of "corporate pride"

>>96948462
you're right, it's worse

>>96948766
Literally like the arrival of Rohan, the Imperial Knights emerged at a critical moment in the battle. Only this time, the forces of Darkness were prepared.
The Chaos Marauders had already decimated one squad of knights, but they paid dearly for it.

>>96948987
It was clear what you meant in the first post, it made perfect sense.

>>96947076
Let me guess, you LOVE the nusloppa Nurgle stuff where the models were 80% Nurglings peering out of assholes.

You're delusional. The Nurgle reveals were unironically so good I'll be stealing most of them to make a 6th WHFB army with.

>>96947076
The only bad ones are the Blightkings for being bizarrely lacking in mutations.

>>96947076
I prefer the southern louisiana occult vibe than whatever the fuck you want.

>>96948987
GW is a retarded company, they absolutely would do or not do shit for "corporate pride", especially when it comes to AoS

>>96949106
Lookswise I consider them more of a sidegrade. I really like the weapons, the armor, the ribbons and drapery, the horns, and just the absolute girth of these lads. Mutations might be lacking but that also means none of what I mentioned is overshadowed, there's nobody with a giant hole in their belly where that's 90% of what you notice about them.

But aside from just looking sick the current blightkings also have an incredible amount of variety in terms of build options. You can get five boxes of them and still have none of the assembled models end up looking the same. That's what I'm afraid the new models won't measure up to, because almost no other kits currently carried by GW does.

>>96949178
a man can only hope that mutations will finally be going to tzeentch instead since he's woefully lacking them, being the chaos god of change and all

>>96946881 (OP)
okay /wfg/ fellas, you have some explaining to do, why aren't (YOU) posters in here hobbyposting properly like >>96949208 and >>96948692

>>96949225
i'm not going to hobby post on making up lore till i get around to purchasing all the AJ's to make sure i have the most complete picture.

>>96949225
Gotta paint all of my gobbos first you dip
I aint posting grey tide

>>96949246
You can still share lore for your dudes; who leads them, where they hail/reside, or where they are going now, etc

Taking me way too long to finish this guy, but it's getting there.

>>96949225
I'm lazy and indolent

>>96949225
working on chaos warriors drove me away from the faction entirely. Now im just waiting to see if Kislev interests me (cathay sure as hell didnt.)

More knights.

>>96946890
This is really cute when you remember that, as Sigmar's late wife, this is more a grandma trying to reconnect with the grandkids.

>>96949293
I love empire Knights

>>96949208
Soul

>>96949225
I posted 2 threads ago about my special scenario (ambush) game

>>96949622
>cathay
Fuck off

>>96949260
superb

>>96946881 (OP)
HERE YA GO FREN

>>96949225
my little 1300pts battle from last week, lizardmen vs tomb kings in 2 weeks

>>96949687
Does TOW/WFB even have any good merch?

>>96949740
https://burgschneider.com/pages/warhammer-armoury#earlyaccess

>>96949246
I see your point

>>96949274
aw

>>96949292
What's so bad about them, too repetitive to paint?

>>96949622
Always glad to see Beastmen and cool ass chairs. Love the sludge pits

>>96949693
This is nice but would look much better in proper lighting. Get the creases out too, the only thing that worked for me was literally putting a our dining table upside down on the mat and leaving it like that for days. That ruins terrain piece in the back seems cool from here

>empire handgun upgrade kit
What are they to be used with? I'm only familiar with whole metal or plastic kits for empire before 6th edition

>>96949818
I'm not sure that the merch code includes that.
Decent stuff though, wonder when they will release the armour since the timeline only says Autumn 2025 for that

>>96949818
>get license for fantasy stuff
>still do the most historical-looking stuff
I'd buy a suit of chaos armor

>>96950043
Considering they haven't released anything but Empire, and next it's going to be Brettonia next, Chaos is a ways off.

>>96950043
It'll look like shit. Larp is only good when there's some authenticity but outside of empire and brets it's all nonsensical fantasy shit

>>96950096
You could do decent Norsca as well I'm not sure about the other factions though.
Cathay as well, but I'm not sure there would be much of a market inthe West for that.

>>96950061
shame, at least ghal maraz is a fun thing
can't really think of many other iconic weapons they could do
maybe gotrek's axe or a bloodletter's sword?

>>96950128
The Everchosens Sword, maybe?

>>96950096
>it's all nonsensical fantasy shit
then you shouldn't be buying a licence ror doing larp equipment for a fantasy setting

helmets alone for stuff like chaos warriors, black orcs, high elves and dwarfs would be pretty cool

>>96949225
Been super busy recently so my hobby has suffered. Redoing one of my orc boys banner bearers with a proper banner so I can do some freehand, rather than the skull on a stick banner top which he had previously.

>>96949818
I'm curious to know where GW is going with this, as their reputation for being overly litigious with their IP precludes small larps based in their universes starting up imo.

>>96950096
It's possible to do well, but essentially has to be fully custom and is rare as fuck due to that price point. Even then, it's hard to get the nessecary height and broadness unless you are a 6"10 brick shithouse.

>>96950198
A lot of Warhammer LARPs do exist, though, and it's an area that GW never cared about due to the creative team getting mistaken for IRA members in the early 90s when they were LARPing

>>96950231
True, pretty much all of those are in Europe though, and beyond the immediate grasp of GW. There's also lots of wink wink nudge nudge "oh it's just inspired by The Old World", but who knows how effective that stuff ever really is. I know that a few 40k games in bongland have had run ins with the geedubs legal team before for sailing too close to the wind.

>>96950198
Yeah it does seem like a major issue with chaos warrior LARP would be that you cannot in fact be an 8 foot tall nordic mutant ubermensch. I guess you could build stilts into the costume.

>>96950356
The Russian LARP has some decent Orc costumes from the random gifs that have been posted in these generals

>>96950198
>>96950356
You don't need to be particularly tall for the costume to still look big.
thick armour, a tall helmet and a heavy cape can do a lot.

>>96950231
Anon you can't just casually drop that bit of info and then not expand on it

>>96950542
It's a secondhand anecdote from Robin Dews in an interview where Bryan Ansell thought the Dark Future setting might work as a PaintBall experience since those were popular in the early 90s, and they tried it out in some random woodland in Yorkshire and got surrounded by the North Yorkshire armed Police who thought they had kidnapped some Couch drivers.
time stamp 13:55.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS7hgegCDdc&list=PL6bfvapxAK_aFuNykscd_aVkSXyKDUitd&index=8pp4dk

>>96950398
True, the problem is that this can make your proportions look a bit wonky. While it can look fine in still images, actually being able to move in it and have that look natural is a different matter entirely (as well as the obvious problem of having to physically wear the stuff if it's an extra bunch of metal on your shoulders for long periods of time). It's why I'm never fully sold on the orc costumes mentioned by >>96950365 , they can look a bit goofy when actually moving due to having to bulk the legs out to match the upper body.

>>96950356
I've worn a few different monster suits that have stilts build in, it works fairly well to give you an extra half a foot to a foot of height, but any more than that gets pretty difficult to safely run around, particularly at speed.

Did a 1000 teaching game against a Tomb King player today. My beastmen but played a bit less try hardy vs skeletons, casket, and tombking on chariot with 2 chariot unit.
Was only a minor victory on my side cause his tomb king did donuts around the field constantly unable to charge cause I'd move out of front arc, and he took the banner from my primal herd and I killed the casket and all his archers and a 2 model tomb swarm. That's all the points earned by either sidewas 250 vs 390. Wait is that a minor victory?
Preyton did no damage again this match, but did force a ton of area denial. Bit expensive for it's value. Rolled bad spells for my shaman too.
Anyone else get a game in this weekend?

>>96950858
>250 vs 390. Wait is that a minor victory?
If we go by the Match Play Guide a 140-point lead at 1000 points would count as a Minor or Marginal victory

>>96946915
Gross

>>96950884
Aight, forgot if it was at 150 break off.
6x5 block of thrusting spear skeleton warriors is better than it looks on paper. And the 2 detachment of 15 archers did pretty good for their cost, even though they only one of the units for to do a single stand and shoot whole game. 2 x 10 ungors archers in ambush continues to punch up, and Centigors with Scourge of the Burdened is a great support unit.

So thrusting spears just straight give fucked up number of attacks? Dude was rolling 24 (shitty) attacks on combat.

>>96950365
>The Russian LARP has some decent Orc costumes
Costumes? Ruzzians just look that way.

>>96949843
They went with the plastic "Soldier's of The Empire" kit, the basic kit gave you the option to make them with sword and shield or polearms but was also boxed with either metal arms with handguns or crossbows to make your missile troops. I think there were also three separate metal upgrade kits for your command options.

Is it me or does every games workshop store employee either dismisses fantasy battles or even seem to dispose it. I have even seen them project this in a lesser extent to the old world.

>>96951344
Might just be your area. When I asked about it as a relative new comer the employee pointed me towards other stores in the city that carried product. They did start carrying rulebooks and get Battalion boxes every so once in a while, so maybe my city just has too many oldhead interested.

The skaven have hatched a fiendish plot

>>96951542
lol lmao

>>96951542
Inexplicable feelings of dread when I was in Boston, now I know why

>>96950947
2 ranks of 6 being charged + thrusting spear extra rank = 19 with champ?

>>96946881 (OP)

my art friend finished the line art on my skaven girls, coloring will be done in a week!

do you like ratgirls, anons?

>>96951703
>Inexplicable feelings of dread
Irish-American alcoholic/depressant addict Catholic guilt miasma. Boston is the Mordheim of America.
>inb4 but what about Chicago/Baltimore/St. Louis
I said Mordheim, not the Badlands

>>96951756
That's what I thought. But the way it's worded is its movement limited not rank limited. So 2 extra ranks fight.

>>96947325
Im assuming this guy is a retard and not just trolling but beastmen are usually described as having mutated canines and sharp teeth, these are the first that actually depict that properly, theyre mutant men with horns, not goat men.

>>96950947
>So thrusting spears just straight give fucked up number of attacks
They allow one extra rank to join the fighting rank. Assuming ranks of 6 and he didn't charge, your bro should've had 18 attacks, not 24.

>>96948518
I feel like thats incredibly unlikely and kind of absurd, the promo crates weren't even used apart form in like one promo video for the nurgle stuff.

>>96950043
I will be buying Bretonnia slop unless it's horrendously bad

>>96951962
That's what I thought. Not that it helped him in this match up, but good to confirm.

If you were locked in a room with someone who said they were a Warhammer but all they experienced was Total war and Astartes how quickly would you curbstomp them?

>>96951893
Read it again, it is both rank and movement limited.

>>96950043
>historical clothing company makes historical-looking LARPslop
AIEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>96950043
They should do blood bowl stuff. Showing up to a Warhammer larp as a reikland reaver and just tackling some chaos dude mid battle is a hell of a fucking thing to pull off.

Is there any news on the Chaos Cult armies in the upcoming book? I want to make an all Tzeentch WoC force.
Ideal situation would be the ability to take Discs as mounts and have some Tzeentch Demons.

Anyone have a link for Fabelzels chaos dwarfs collection?

How's this list look? Haven't picked a lore for the wizards, but odds are they're taking hashut spells anyway. Friend really wants to play chaos dwarfs, and he's lost 7 matches in a row and said to try making a list for him. Only question is just owning the dagger of malice give all those abilities, or only when using it. Cause if it's when using, he shouldn't be able to be frenzy baited cause he would choose to walk around with the other weapon out. But if he does just get those abilities without using the weapon, then two-hand weapons is worth having on him.

General Chaos Dwarf [999 pts]
Warhammer: The Old World, Chaos Dwarfs, Renegade, Open War

Daemonsmith Sorcerer, Wizard [Level 1 Wizard], General, Breath of Hashut, Daemonology - 110
Daemonsmith Sorcerer, Wizard [Level 1 Wizard], Daemonology - 85
10 Hobgoblin Cutthroats - 30
10 Hobgoblin Cutthroats - 30
10 Infernal Guard, Fireglaives - 150
10 Infernal Guard, Fireglaives - 150
10 Sneaky Gits - 60
10 Sneaky Gits - 60
Magma Cannon - 125
Bull Centaur Taur'ruk, Great weapon, Dagger of Malice, Obsidian Vambraces - 199

>>96952659
Also, man do chaos dwarfs kind of suck.
You would be way better off to play greenskins, and ally some chaos dwarfs into it

>>96952291
Unfortunately WoC currently cannot take discs

>>96952695
Right but the hope is that the Tzeentch Cult of Chaos Army of Infamy in the upcoming book will allow it.

>>96950620
NYPD strikes again.

>>96952723
Man, if that happens I'd be happy. So, so happy. Of course it'd be trivial to homebrew discs for Sorcerers since the rules exist for Daemons, which is what I'd do, but I think having official rules for it would be nice. Especially for those who play with randoms. Anyway, can't wait to see what they do with the cults. I'm currently building a Tzeentch WoC army and I'd love to see more mono god flavored mechanics. Maybe even the ability to dip into the daemons unit range.

>>96951759
>do you like ratgirls, anons?
Occasionally, yes.

>>96952291
I doubt there will be demons. I think the chaos gods for norscans are more subtle. Tzeench being the raven god, khorne the hound and nurgle the crow.

>>96950884
So m is minor, cv is probably crushing victory, what does the r stand for?

>>96953219
resounding victory

>>96952659
I thought you had to field a unit of renders to use a Tauruk but maybe I'm wrong
Even so the list is somewhat confusing. Fireglaives can both shoot and fight. If you can't have Black Orcs, field a unit of 18 Fireglaives. 6 wide so they can fire more shots.
Keep a unit of Cutthroats, give them armor and increase their model count so they can tarpit.
Keep a unit of Sneaky Gits for shenanigans, Magma Cannon is good too, but you need a hammer unit that actually kills, so an Iron Daemon or Bull Centaur Renders.
As it stands right now each unit will just die immediately if charged since they're so tiny so you need to up survivability.

the cathay jezzails would be way cooler if they didnt have the random guy holding the shield, that makes it look fucking stupid. it makes sense with skaven because they obviously don't value the lives of other rats.

>>96953173
Holy shit touch the grassiest of grasses

Do you know how disgusted any real woman would be if she knew you posted stuff like this? Do something with your life you massive waste-of-oxygen gooner

>>96953402
>Do you know how disgusted any real woman would be if she knew you posted stuff like this?
Why do you care about what random women think?

>>96953413
I don't, but I have enough of a brain to maintain a functional relationship with one, whereas you don't.

>>96953425
weird projection

>>96953402
>implying any woman wouldn't find that image cute

>>96953402
YWNBAW

>>96953402
Perryfaggot post

Keep the furshit and trannyshit out of this general, thanks.

>>96953493
Of course I'm not a woman you fucking retard, do you want me to mail you a photo of my sack nigga

>>96951344
GW store employees are primarily focused on meeting their KPIs, which will fall into two categories: specific targets for new product launches, and general targets for revenue. It's rare that new product launches won't basically take care of themselves, they'll almost certainly sell out of whatever allocation they receieve, so their primary concern is meeting overall sales targets and the unfortunately reality is that being a "specialist studio" game, TOW stuff isn't going to be a big part of their ongoing, meat & potatoes stock. It'll get a little token corner with a limited selection of stuff from the most recent releases, but 9/10 times if someone walks in looking for a TOW or 30K or Nucromunda or whatever product, the wagie will have to direct them to the internet and they know damn well if they do that most people won't even use the official GW website to order, let alone do it from the in-store ordering terminal and come back to collect it which is the only way that sale counts towards their sales stats.

Much better, from the perspective of the wagie looking to keep their job, to do the bare minimum required for launch weeks of new niche products and focus their efforts on pushing Space Marines and Stormcast. Also most of GW's stores are now run by disinterested retail staff hired to sell shit rather than actual hobbyists - for a while having more than a passing interest in GW products was actually counted against you if you applied for their retail arm, on the assumption that a real hobbyist might do dangerous things like suggest what a customer might actually want rather than what GW wants them to buy.

>>96953623
you would like that, wouldn't you, bitch?

>>96951344
My local GW at least doesn't shelve TOW products at all. They rely entirely on the LGS scene to sell the product.

>>96953641
Hey retard,

I never claimed to be a woman in the first place

You are so gooned up on trannyporn, of course it's the first thing you think off

Again, touch the grassiest grass on planet grass you absolute goonbrained coomlord

>>96953625
>most of GW's stores are now run by disinterested retail staff hired to sell shit rather than actual hobbyists
That's been the case fore at least a decade

>>96953625
This is going to sound autistic as fuck (and it is) but I've been going around a fair few yuropean cities for work recently and I like to check out the local gw store after I've run out of touristy shit to do and pretend to be a total newcomer just to kind of see how they treat you. Especially since I often come in on 'off-hours' so it's usually just me and the dude running the store. In my experience the people running the store are usually pretty passionate about the game(s), mostly 40k and aos though. That being said it's quite clear that gw mandates them to heavily push the starter boxes/magazine gimmicks quite strongly to newbies. The only exception has been one of the brussels stores where the dude just completely left me alone me when it became clear I don't speak french lel.

>>96953660
>I'm not the one gooned up on trannyporn for wanting to post my balls online!
>you're the weird one for *checks thread* posting an anime skaven fanart by a girl

>>96953715
>left me alone me when it became clear I don't speak french lel.
Did you try Flemish instead?

>>96953734
>flemish
>in brussels
lol. lmao, even.

>>96953731
You illiterate nigger - I said I'd mail them to you, as a matter of hyperbole, since you think I'm a woman simply because I can understand what women are and aren't disgusted by.

Good morning everybody. I come bearing gifts from the Dark Gods. Praise be!

Marauders: 30mm bases, no more marks. Foot marauders get light armor built in and horsemen get shields but lose skirmish.
The new tribal aspects replace marks. They get once per game effects, mostly stat buffs.
There's new mutations for units. Most units can pick one, a few can pick two and they can be duplicated.
There's some minor restrictions to who can take what, but otherwise they're mostly "choose any you want". They are useful buffs like conditional stat buffs, MR, or other miscellaneous bonuses. They're pretty juicy.
There's a new spell lore as well. Fairly solid from what I have heard, but has a couple of oddities in it.
The new magic items have some interesting ones, but nothing groundbreaking.
No mammoth, no new dragon, and the only new profiles are the updates to the RH marauders.
Release date imminent.

>>96953779
didn't this guy get utterly btfo by settra's arcane journal

>>96953715
>The only exception has been one of the brussels stores where the dude just completely left me alone me when it became clear I don't speak french lel.
Did you try repeating yourself, but louder.

>>96953781
Look we'll take any leaks we can get alright

>>96953770
would have gotten an interesting response at least

>>96951344
From my experience, newer GW store employees are pure 40k fags. Only the old store manager was a veteran and was also really into TOW. Sadly he got promoted and the new store manager is just another 40k fag.

>>96953776
cry more, whore

>>96953871
zzz

>>96953779
Wowee what a leak. Doing guesswork that follows the same pattern as every other AJ, i.e anyone could come up with it. The person who wrote this was really putting their reputation on the line.

>>96951344
Can’t sell a daily quota of combat patrols if someone has an interest in tomb kings.

>>96954029
it's worded pretty funny honestly
"yeah there will be some restrictions on this but other than that you've got some choices"
"some interesting stuff but nothing too interesting"
"fairly solid but with some oddities"
this says absolutely nothing definite besides mammoths and dragons are not coming, which yeah of course, they're not showing those fuckers in some monday article

>>96946915
These are models designed to facilitate playing a game. You wouldn't know about that.

>>96954062
he's talking about the copy pasted paintjob retard

>>96947401
You're wrong, because there are several "theys" involved with different degrees of power.

Like there's probably a head of product design for all GW, then a lead product designer for the main studio, and a lead product designer for SDS. Maybe even further subcategorized into lead product designer for 40K, AoS, etc. They all have competing motives. Like the AoS guy would lowkey want TOW to fail, it existing only limits his options.

>>96954091
sure but in the context of the original 'addressing the elephant in the room' conversation 'they' are just the overall financial guys / shareholders. I'm sure the aos lead wouldn't be too happy if tow suddenly exploded in popularity but what the fuck would he have to do with it

>>96954137
There's bound to be politicking involved. Like the main studio lead and the AoS lead go to a pub for lunch and the AoS lead moans about resource allocations or how his team had already concepted the next wave of Skaven so they definitely can't go back to TOW, etc.

Parts of different teams are going to be making different pitches to the higher-ups, some will fail, some will succeed. It's a competition for resources between branches. The lead guys may also have their favourites. You can say "they just want money" or whatever but that's an oversimplification. If the guy with power is literally the same guy who invented/instigated AoS he's going to be committed to AoS succeeding for his own sense of self-worth and legacy. Everything they sell "makes money" and their production is currently maxed out, they have room to be picky and champion their faves.

>>96954200
Eh again i'm sure there's politicking involved but I just don't subscribe to this idea that GW begrudgingly brought back fantasy and just hates giving it attention. They're more than happy to make money, they don't give a fuck if it's aos, tow, fucking legiones imperialis.
>if the guy with power is the same guy who instigated AoS
See this I could believe but I'm pretty sure that was alan merrett and he's been gone from gw for nearly a decade. Jervis Johnson has also been retired for about 4-5 years and he was the main rules guy for early aos iirc. Tom kirby too, has been long gone.

>>96954289
I feel like the existence of new models and a whole new faction is proof enough they don’t hate it. If it was purely about making money, Ultramarines are getting their balls fondled in 40k because Space Marine 2 made stacks of cash, Total War renewed interest in WHFB and a major release of TOW is catering to people who waifu’d Miao Ying, while AoS is the elephant in the room for not having a hit game to print them money and direct people to buy models.

>>96954371
I am convinced heresy is bigger than AoS.

>>96954404
Maybe when it comes with hard sales rather than actual players, because I can bet most of the HH purchases are for 40k.

Dwarfs

Am I fucked

say something nice about him

Concepting some mongolian themed chaos warriors (on horseback of course)

Not sure if they should resemble chaosified jade lancers, or better to start with marauder horsemen?

>>96954522
it wont work.

>>96954499
>somehow mogged by AGE OF SIGMAR nurgle of all things in terms of armour designs.
Genuinely how did they fumble this so hard bretonnia has to be the single easiest faction to sculpt models for

>>96954522
If you’re sticking with official kits, you may as well just get both and see how they fit together.

>>96954534
It's also weird since all the new Brettonian characters were great it was just the foot knight redesign that was shit

>>96946881 (OP)
I am of the opinion that Estellia would be a great army/nation to expand the lore upon if not for wokeness. Spanish history is among the most exciting and Spanish literature is world renowned.

>>96954547
Disagree the foot knights look great

>>96954547
I didnt like the standard bearer.

>>96954549
humanity in warhammer is boring so I wouldnt care for it

>>96954553
What's good about them anon?

>>96954499
I want to have a word with whomever did that helmet.

>>96954566
They look like they were making crusaders for 40k and halfway thru decided to retrofit for brets

>>96954565
>humanity in warhammer is boring
You sound like an immensely insufferable faggot, and I'm glad the powers that be gave >>96954566 the dubs

>>96954566
Uhh they look cool?

>>96954560
The plastic or the resin ones?
since the mounted and foot Resin ones are better than the plastic one of a pegsus

>>96954530
You give a vague ass answer and provide 0 explanation
You might as well have not commented
More of an indictment on your own lack of imagination and conversion skills

>>96954585
Can you explain why they look cool to you anon? What part of them is cool to you?

>>96954549
>world renowned
lol nobody knows any spanish literature except for don quixote qnd mayyybe one hundred years of solitude and the latter is not even spanish

>>96954598
Why so you can be a dick about it? How about you look for attention from some women for once instead of random men on 4chan

>>96954607
>I'm a retard who only knows a couple books, therefore other books aren't famous or beloved
Don't toddlers have object permanence? You're getting mogged by my preschool-aged nephew.

>>96954583
sorry anon, but humanity in warhammer just lacks will. They dont feel have ambitions. They just are archetypes.

>>96954522
Maybe reckon do chaos knights starting from lancers, and bowmen starting from chaos marauder horsemen?

Your more elite dudes should be armoured i guess

>>96954621
>Why so you can be a dick about it?
No, I am genuinely curious, since honestly can't see why someone would think they are cool, since I prefer more historically based Knights models, but liking overtly Fantasy stuff in a Fantasy game is not wrong and I would like to read a different perspective on the models.

>>96954592
the one on the Royal Pegasus. The mount itself is fine, but the rider is just weird.

>>96954647
>since honestly can't see why someone would think they are cool
You're a cocksucking retard then

>>96954642
Earlier this year one of the biggest memes was "100 men vs 1 gorilla" and humans in Warhammer fight gorilla-sized greenskins and beastmen as a daily hazard. I think they're pretty fine.

>>96954630
go outside and ask people on the street how many spanish literature works they know
even in a spanish speaking country i'm sure more people have heard of moby dick or whatever the fuck than don quixote

>>96954499
That's clearly a 40k feudal world soldier.

>>96954549
Spains subliterate sudaca colonies have produced more great works of literature than the metropole.

Stupid question, but where's the best place to get an artillery dice? My screaming skull catapult didn't come with one.

>>96954442
I barely ever see anyone play AOS and I have also heard from people that LGS' are switching to 50/50 Old World and AoS. Same goes for one of my local GWs

>>96954774
Try eBay

>>96954774
I got mine from the faction flavored dice set. There are all kinds of novelty dice manufacturers out there who you can get them from, but for me the shipping cost made it not worth it which is why I picked up the official ones. You could also check your LGS if they sell any loose dice on the cheap and happen to have any scatter and artillery dice.

>>96954774
Google it you fucking zoomer retard

>>96954803
Chill out you massive faggot
Honestly these threads might as well not exist if you're all just gonna be ragey cunts towards anyone who asks questions

>>96954820
Damn that's crazy
Didn't read tho

>>96954679
>go outside and ask people on the street how many spanish literature works they know
I live in a college town so it wouldn't be representative of the population
>>96954763
Spain colonized an entire continent, no fucking shit hundreds of millions of people will have more cultural output than fifty million.

>>96954820
Dont mind him. Hes a no game/no model angry fag who trys to shit on everyone.

Best way to get artillery dice is to shell out the money for any set of GW old world dice. They all come with them

>what's the best way to buy a die that you can easily sub a d6 for if you aren't retarded
Retard

Try asking your phone like you usually do faggot zoomer

What would you think about a Chaos player who mixes 40K and Fantasy together? Like, daemons would be the exact same, obviously, but some Chaos Warriors would have a fusion of plate armor and power armor, and the melee weapon they hold might be a chain axe or something.
I really like the idea of Chaos worshippers just being shunted into either reality on the whims and convenience of their gods. Makes them feel more weird.

>>96955026
Who cares what we think they're your toys

>>96953247
>fireglaives
yeah, but that's what he's done in every one of his games. Usually 20, but once 24 and twice 16. They can fight, but they just die to magic too easily and shooting ironically. Two units of 10 at least let him shoot two different targets and look in two different directions.
>cutthroats
Yeah, I had them as 25 initially with armor, but then went to 20 with armor, but that left 5 points over still, so i dropped the armor and gave tau'ruk the vambraces.
>Gits
naw, I'd drop all the cutthroats to keep both gits. I'm willing to guarantee they would more than double the performance of the cutthroats making their cost that much better, even if I literally put them in the place the cutthroats would normally be on the battlefield.
>Centaur
well, fuck if it does need a unit of renders this list is fucked.

I can see why Chaos dwarves aren't doing fantastic. Their chaff units are a bit too chaffy, their elite unites are a bit too elite. Black orcs are probably the best core unit they have, but need a BOB to get. All of their special units are pretty decent, but after core and characters you run out of points. At 2000 pts, you probably get gigasmashed by the other armies cause then they also get their 0-2 per 1k units and every one of those will outperform chaos dwarfs. The train and the centaurs are their best unique thing, and both cost to much to be effective in the list.

>>96955026
If it's just csm on square bases I wouldn't be thrilled but a tasteful conversion like you pitch would be pretty cool and if well done most people wouldn't mind I think

>>96955026
More of an Aos thing but who cares

>>96955026
hard to do well, but not impossible
the problem is that most people who suggests this don't plan to do it well, they just plan to be cheap and lazy

>>96955114
My plan is to make them indiscernible. The power armour would be more like the Renegade Chaos Marines from Rogue Trader with the Giger vibe, mixed with the spikey weird ornate armor from the Ian art back in the Realms of Chaos books.
Realms of Chaos is the primary inspiration, really.
My real worry is weaponry and WYSIWYG: most of them would be holding 40K weapons, or at least have them on their person, hanging from a strap or something.

>>96955136
||I know where to get scans of GW kits.||
||I just have to wait long enough to accrue enough chaos stuff to have a whole I fire bits box to work with||

>>96955026
Daemons are OK. Chaos Marines, no.

>>96955026
>some Chaos Warriors would have a fusion of plate armor and power armor, and the melee weapon they hold might be a chain axe or something.
Sounds like a based callback to Realms of Chaos to me
But keep it sparse I advise

>>96954621
You were the same furry faggot from earlier who was complaining that I disliked the new cathay musketmen.

Neck yourself britoid

>>96955528
Well soon enough, the UK government will block UK access to 4chan

>>96955186
WYSIWYG is a 40k thing. Don't worry about it. Just tell your opponent which weapons your unit has, hand him a copy of your list, and it'll be fine.

>>96954404
Nogga Heresy isn't even bigger than ToW

>>96955920
Heresy is way bigger than TOW lol

>>96954892
>yeah okay fine Spain has less cultural impact than fucking Argentina but we wuz empire, you know
Go back to sleep you absolute plonker.

>>96955920
Is that still true after HH shit itself?

>>96956005
it wasnt even true when HH was in its prime in first edition

>>96955963
I big time doubt that. Heresy will continue to exist as a product because it's low cost. You make one space marine kit and 95% of HH players can buy it for their armies. It's a great business model, but it can make it seem overly popular in terms of player count if you go just by sales of kits.

>>96955026
Believe it or not, correct

>>96956053
There are always going to regional differences but based on all the GW stores I've visited (local and abroad, across 5 different countries in total) the shelf space is what I'd measure what GW considers to be the big seller and in general the shelf space allotment goes as: 40k, AoS, HH & KT. I've seen a single TOW core book once in a GW store and it was tucked away with Underworlds. GW. You're probably right on the money with HH being a very spartan product that has a low investment cost and good returns. I think TOW is doing very well as well and that should be obvious to all with the plastic kits they are investing into it, but I'm not convinced it's on the same level of popularity as any of their other games. And I think that's also a good thing. You want TOW to sell enough that GW will continue to humor us and leave the TOW designers alone. You don't want it to become so popular that is starts catching the suits attention so much that they begin meddling with it like they are meddling with the main studio games.

>>96956410
>You don't want it to become so popular that is starts catching the suits attention so much that they begin meddling with it like they are meddling with the main studio games
Yeh, they might divert all focus to a new army made specifically to pander to new market in East Asia in hopes of getting them to buy GW shit instead of making things for existing fans

>>96956446
>Yeh, they might divert all focus to a new army made specifically to pander to new market in East Asia in hopes of getting them to buy GW shit
Unironically for the best.

Getting started on my next batch of beastmen

>>96946881 (OP)
>bretonia is 1200s to early 1300s euros, greathelms and shit
>Empire is late 1400s to early 1500s euros, Armets andsalets and shit

is there anyone who exists in the late 1300s/early 1400s period? with houndskull helmets and shit?

I've seen people do thier own work looking like they're done in the Old World book style, what are people using to do this on?

>>96956507
Best bet would be knightly orders of the empire.

>>96949628
Lmao post your painted shit friend

>>96954499
He's the Charmeleon of human infantry.

>>96956554
those usually follow late 1400s/1500s look.

maybe boarder prince? grudgebringers always had a distinct look from the 1500s hre look or bretonian high feudalism. though they were more generically fantasy/

>>96956514
You mean like this >>96949208

If so then it is pretty simple, I just use GIMP, with a standard old paper background, adding the image, erasing the edges with a rough erase tool. Then I add the text using the font Castlon Antique

>https://www.1001fonts.com/caslon-antique-font.html

Sometimes I like to use Inquisitor font for headers and the like

>https://www.dafont.com/inquisitor.font

Hope this helps Anon :)

>>96956507
Warhammer is strongly anachronistic, in the empire you can have anything concurrent or preceding their more archetypical look.
even somewhat succeeding their historical inspirations, as long as you don't push into the 18th century, that's the hard line.

>>96956507
>houndskull helmets
Some Brettonians have those in TWW, and some WFRP art

>>96956638
I'd argue a Nuln focused army can get into the 1800s easy

>>96956672
Theyre bordering on industrial Revolution. So I'd say they're like, mid 1800's for sure.

>>96956672
>>96956700
technologically they can get there, aesthetically, they absolutely shouldn't

>>96956751
They also suffer due to beastmen, vampires, and orcs. Beastmen vastly diminish the food production and peasants, vampires gum up the political situation like motherfuckers, and orcs keep the military far too active.

>>96956638
Outrider should have Napoleonic pelises.
I am willing to fight over this.

>>96957065
Someone is going to die on that hill

>>96956613
Oh yeah that's exactly it thanks.