Thread 96955560

B&R Day Edition

>Bans (new)
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-november-10-2025

>News
The 2025 Magic Con and Pro Tour Schedule:
https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-schedule

>Metagame Mentor: The Winners and Losers from Standard's 2025 Rotation
https://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-winners-and-losers-from-standards-2025-rotation

>Spoilers
http://www.magicspoiler.com/
https://mythicspoiler.com/

CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES
>Current meta, complete with deck lists
https://www.mtgtop8.com/
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/
>Build and share casual decks
https://deckstats.net/
https://tappedout.net/

CUBE RESOURCES
>Build and share Cubes
https://cubecobra.com/landing

CARD RESOURCES
>Search engines
https://scryfall.com/
https://mtg.wtf/

>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://www.makeplayingcards.com/
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM

>Play online for free
https://untap.in/
https://dr4ft.info/

>What is EDH?
https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1

>The Slop is for the Pigs. Pigs eat Slop.
https://x.com/RealPokemoki/status/1972817965847617963

>WotC's War Crimes
https://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)
https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)

>Previously
>>96946229

>TQ
Thoughts on the B&R?

You can play 5C Domain and Boros Energy in Modern so it's actually a 5 deck format not 3 deck

>>96955577
there are 37 viable decks in nebraska

>>96955577
It's actually 4c domain and mono red energy

>>96955585
There are 37 dicks in your mom

>>96955560 (OP)
>Thoughts on the B&R?
Most of it is shit.
All the good should have been done months ago, last time.

Total fucking trash, in line with the rest of the game.

>TQ
>>>/wsg/6025413

>>96955560 (OP)
>TQ

I still can't believe that it's been about a decade of different flavours of Primeval Titan deck and people are still finding the most convoluted ways to break it.

Who came up with this and how long is he for this world?

>>96955560 (OP)
The fact pic related, Annex, Mirror, Leyline, Rage and Emberheart are still in the format makes me wanna slap MaRo in the face add to this that they unbanned none of the cards that could be safely unbanned and i can only say FUCK JOTC.

>>96955613
Prime Time is obviously some play design faggot's pet card or his gay lover's so it will never get banned. They will just ban other stuff like how Field of the Dead got killed.

>>96955613
The deck will always be relevant so long as they keep printing ways to play more lands and lands that do goofy things

>>96955635
>Prime Time is obviously some play design faggot's pet card or his gay lover's so it will never get banned. They will just ban other stuff like how Field of the Dead got killed.
Funny how they can ban around Prime Time but banning around Entomb? NO WAY.

>ban shartfire because it is le busted and lets monored explode you on turn 2
>this is still in pioneer

>>96955613
Autistic kikes LOVE infinite loops which explains why white never has any now
>nb4 walking ballista and Heliod
Which lasted about 2 weeks before becoming irrelevant

>These were supposed to be legal in the same format
WHAT
THE FLAMING FUCK
ARE THEY DOING

Prime Titan is the JOTC pet green card
Omniscience is the JOTC pet blue card
What are the others? Besides white, since we all know KHW

>>96955653
still would've been worse than vivi

>>96955656
Fable in red

>>96955652
That wasn't White. The deck was almost completely dependent on CoCo.

This is the prime reanimation target in literally any format it's legal because it is a flying attacker with vigilance that swings 14 life when it attacks, pitches to every pitch card, can't be beaten in combat, and effectively draws 1/5th of your deck on entry so you can stabilize againat anything. The only reason it isn't $80 is because no one expected it to survive, but they are going to ban a fucking card from ODYSSEY instead?
Magic is the single most raped tabletop game out there and it isn't even close.

>>96955560 (OP)
Historic bros...

>>96955560 (OP)
>Screaming Nemesis banned
Fuck this gay semen slurping game.
ENJOY YOUR LIFE GAIN GAY DECKS!

>>96955560 (OP)
>TQ
standard is SAVE

>>96955671
>Magic is the single most raped tabletop game out there and it isn't even close.
Crazy that they're even trying to inch Magic closer to the scalper hellscape that is Pokemon. They can't even keep the one thing about MTG that isn't the worst fucking thing among all TCGs alive. No, they just HAVE to try to oust Pokemon for that top scalper slot.

>>96955691
NEW SECRET LAIR ALERT

>>96955643
not getting a bunch of free +1/+1 counters is a big downside compared to heartfire. I play mono-white heroic as my pauper deck of choice, shitting out free +1/+1 counters just for playing the game is always good and means your creatures dodge bolts and pings and need hard removal to deal with.

>>96955652
>now

>>96955673
as if he was ever about the life gain in mono red, it's basically just an unblockable hasty dude that you could pop yourself as a side option

>>96955696
... NEW SECRET LAIR ALERT.

>>96955673
Pridemate-sisters, our deck stonks have risen to moon status

>>96955700
>as if he was ever about the life gain in mono red
Kek, I had multiple people scoop on turn 4 when I caress Nemesis's ass with Fire Magic

what am i supposed to do with my entombs now

where can i even play them

ive been playing ub reanimator even back when rb reanimator was "the best" reanimator....

>>96955750
>what am i supposed to do with my entombs now
lmao

>>96955671
Atraxa not costing life and having vigilance/lifelink herself is huge yeah. People always meme about life total not mattering as reactionary advice against noobs who think it's overpowered and while it's true if you can pay life instead of mana that's almost always worth it, it's also true that life is still a cost and if you go full retard the opponent can often kill you in a single turn as opposed to needing multiple to turn things around.

If Sheltered by Ghosts was JUST +1/0, Ward, and an Oblivion Ring on a stick it would still be really really good, but the fact it also gives Lifelink pushes it over the top and has won me so many games against decks who suddenly lose all ability to outrace me.

If Atraxa had First Strike instead of Lifelink she'd still be a retarded card but it wouldn't be a +14 point life swing versus Griselbrand (and vigilance+Lifelink making it so enemies have an even harder time swinging into you is icing on the cake)

>>96955750
>what am i supposed to do with my entombs now
They are still legal in commander :3

Banning around cards never works and always just leads to the deck taking a 2 day nap until some other dogshit gets printed/unbanned/rediscovered that makes the card just as good (sometimes better) than it was before the bans
Pic unrelated

Today i will Remind them.

>Put into a Modern focussed set
>Had his design changed to appeal to commander players
>Despite being designed for commander, nobody tested him with Lightning Greves, one of the most played cards in the format.
>Didn't even consider testing him with other 0 abilities.
>Banned in Modern, the format that his set was designed for.
>Banned in Commander, the format that his text was altered for
>Put into Legacy
>Used as a combo finisher in an already established deck
>Used in a midrange shell to provide infinite card advantage
>Pitchable to Force Of Will
>Banned in Legacy

Bro just wanted to flash.

>lurrus is still legal

the t*lmud was right about g*yim

>>96955697
>bounces ur heroic loser
where are your gods now?

>>96955781
>Atraxa not costing life and having vigilance/lifelink herself is huge yeah. People always meme about life total not mattering as reactionary advice against noobs who think it's overpowered and while it's true if you can pay life instead of mana that's almost always worth it, it's also true that life is still a cost and if you go full retard the opponent can often kill you in a single turn as opposed to needing multiple to turn things around.
>If Sheltered by Ghosts was JUST +1/0, Ward, and an Oblivion Ring on a stick it would still be really really good, but the fact it also gives Lifelink pushes it over the top and has won me so many games against decks who suddenly lose all ability to outrace me.
The point here is that TEMPO matters, and life totals = tempo.

A 2/1 with lifelink beats a 3/1 without it every time.

>>96955750
come to vintage
https://mtgtop8.com/event?e=70724&d=735822&f=VI
I'm also trying to figure out the best shell for nadu since he's now banned everywhere else too

>>96955795
>come to Lurrus: The Format
no thank you

>>96955785
>Nadu
He's "fixed" on arena and still utterly cancerous, the only reason he isn't running historic is because we're in the middle of Eldrazi Winter 2: devoid boogaloo

>>96955794
Tempo actually doesn't matter because of cards like Atraxa

>>96955750
>where can i even play them
Commander

>>96955815
No anon.
Atraxa is the tempo now.

IT HAD A 48% WR, MARK!!

>>96955790
I run four copies of emerge unscathed for exactly that reason, getting bounced is almost as bad as getting hit with hard removal

>>96955750
Odyssey Block Constructed (lmao good luck finding games)

Invasion-Odyssey-7th Standard (I think there might actually a Facebook group for this)

>Thoughts on the B&R?

Don't care.
I playin Premodern

>>96955837
But people were pushing the frowny face a lot on Arena after facing it :(

>>96955844
where do you actually find games for pre modern, is it a purely MTGO format or can you actually find paper games for it

>>96955851
i go to my local gay bar

>>96955837
3 out of 5 top Pioneer decks include W. Interesting.

>>96955837
Greasefang and Annex should have ate it too you degenerate rat fuck

>>96955837
>MTGO data
literally irrelevant to them, they specifically mentioned best of 1 on arena as the reason to ban something from the deck

>>96955860
>all multicolor
Do I need to say it?

>>96955837

Did they actually just blindfold themselves and throw a dart at the board to ban something from the format to try and convince people that the format isn't dead?

>>96955863
Greasefang is the last honest Pioneer deck

>>96955560 (OP)
I'm glad they banned Nemesis. Honestly, what were they thinking? "X happens for the rest of the game" should never exist outside of like, planeswalker ultimate emblems, if that.

>>96955869
White is the glue holding all multicolor decks together?

>>96955851
Brasil or Nebraska

>>96955837
>The core problem in the format—especially on MTG Arena—is that too large a portion of the format consists of Mono-Red Aggro and decks built specifically to prey on Mono-Red Aggro. It's for good reason, too, as Mono-Red Aggro is the archetype with the highest win-rate by a substantial margin, and when you zoom in on Best-of-One play, it also sees more play than the second and third most-played archetypes combined.
bo1 chads rule this format, sit the fuck down son

Quantum Riddler is $50 and people think it isn't broken

>>96955837
what's the deal with izzet

>>96955886
I only play bo1 on arena, if I want to sideboard and use my brain that's what mtgo is for

>>96955882
No, JotC has made White a grubby little parasite on the actually playable colors. You only play it because Nosewater and Gavin stapled a White pip onto some broken multicolor card and forced you to splash so that they can proudly lie that they're printing powerful """""White""""" cards.

>>96955886
thoughtseize is in half of the decks, how does that prey on mono red? I hate WoTC so fucking much.

>>96955927
God Pioneer sucks so much fucking ass lmao.

>>96955927
>MTGO data
when are you going to realize they don't care about that?

I can't believe I miss the Mono-G Devotion-Rakdos Midrange-UW Control meta. They replaced Devotion with a bunch of insufferable aggro decks and it's just cancer.

>>96955927
>MTGO
Sorry but the main source of players of Pioneer right now is in Arena, you know the real client and not the windows 95 version of Magic so that data is shit.

>>96955957
Mono-G is still around and is insufferable

>>96955969
every deck in pioneer is insufferable

>>96955967
>>96955951
Pioneer on MTGA is mostly rakdos/greasefang/phoenix. I see more mono white devotions than I see mono-reds.

>>96955977
Greasefang is a proud and noble deck

>>96955981
shut up ratfucker, it's a literal turn 3 deck

>>96955927
When are they king Phoenix for good?
How much should i wait for them to ban Cruise and now these absolute retarded card?
The same with Greasefang the package got so efficient after monument that they not even need a third colour anymore…

banning entomb over atraxa is fucking retarded but what do you expect from a bunch of trannies that don't even play the formats they manage

>>96955863
More like rat fucker if he's playing Greasefang

is MODO that bad of a client?

Legacy players cheering for entomb ban is the ultimate form of cuckoldry, their format is literally becoming MH constructed like modern.

>>96955967
mtga is not real magic

If wanting to have sex with this is wrong, I dont want to be right

>>96956025
you know what is not real magic? playing on a server that looks made in MS-DOS in year of our lord 2025

>>96956034
what did wotc mean by this

>>96956017
HE WAS COMING RIGHT FOR US! WE HAD TO BAN ENTOMB

>>96955785
THEY ONLY CARE ABOUT CUMMANDER
my asshole is only for shitting Woct

>>96956034
Kill this card
Kill Monored for good
Kill Phoenix
Kill Rakdos
Kill Monoblack
Unban pic related
Unban Inverter
Unban Uro
Unban Amalia
That’s how you fix Pioneer. HH ban means nothing

>>96956039
Why though, it is the closest simulation to the paper game there is, unlikely mtga.

>>96956057
Winota was far more BS than Greasefang

>>96956044
Sex with animal women

>>96956004
They do not care about maintaining Pioneer.
The format will wallow in shit for all eternity.
UR Phoenix is THE SHITTEST deck, in terms of gameplay, since White Eggs, and it has gone completely untouched forever.

Do you think the overwhelming smell of stinkditch is why they dont playtest anymore

Phoenix did nothing wrong.

>We designed and tested Proft's Eidetic Memory in Murders at Karlov Manor Standard, a format where most of its powerful synergies didn't exist. We noticed this lack of options and made Steamcore Scholar in the same set to be a great card alongside Proft's Eidetic Memory. Because there weren't a lot of strong synergies with Proft's Eidetic Memory, we felt comfortable printing it at a high individual rate. ... Our prediction was that it might show up here and there but that it was unlikely to be among the strongest decks in the metagame.
>Mfw we get at least one card like this pretty much every set, the only difference is that most of them don't take off
This is just gonna keep happening for the next two years, isn't it?

>>96956125

>Card draws a card and buffs creatures based on cards drawn
>Only playtested it in it's own standard environment
>Didn't test with future designs
>Didn't test with creatures that enter the battlefield and draw a card
>Didn't test with spells that draw multiple cards

We are 11 sets into out soon to be 19 set Standard format by this time next year. Make your predictions. How fucked are we gonna be by the time Star Trek comes out?

Have you chosen one yet?

>>96956125
Be prepared for some TURTLES and SPACESHIPS ruining your experience across formats in 2026, if you are actually willing to stay in this slop filled game, that’s it.

>>96955560 (OP)
THEY'VE DONE IT
STANDARD IS SAVED!

>>96956142
Yep, i choose to ignore this garbage of a set and patiently wait for Lorwyn.

>>96955851
My lgs consistenly fires with atleast 6

>>96956159
>Land tokens
Why is WotC just dead set dedicated on breaking every single fucking design rule established by people who knew what they were talking about?

>>96956154
>Omnscience
>Kaito
>Leyline of Resonance
>Pic related
>Kavero
>Kona
>Curiosity
>Cauldron
LOL
LMAO even

>>96956142
>implying I'm not drafting monocolor RDW with firebending and combat tricks

modern status?

>>96955851
Cities with active or formerly active legacy scenes will have a premodern scene. Both the US coasts are bretty gud for scenes, middle of the country not so much

>>96956184
>modern status?
lmao


>vintage status?
lurmao

>pioneer status'?
lmao

>legacy status?
lmao

>standard status?
lmao

>>96956184
flourishing :^)

>>96956184
The Raped

>no premodern bans

WHY

>>96956184
I cast Ephemerate targeting my Solitude

>>96956184
Manmade Horrors constructed block, but worry next part not in 2026

>>96956184
zoomers will never know how good modern was at it's peak

>Entomb banned
dogshit format
dogshit game
dogshit company

>>96956173
Omnscience and Kavaero will make Standard a combo hell.
Be ready Stroontards…

>>96955560 (OP)
So...uh...when is Wizards bringing Omnath, Koma and Etali back from the dead? I miss them.

>>96956238

I miss playing Ponza, bros.

WOW IT'S ALMOST AS IF STANDARD SHOULD ROTATE MORE OFTEN

>>96956184
This is what the healthiest official format looks like right now. How does that make you feel?

>>96956238
I didn't play it as a kid but like fifteen years ago I remember being impressed at how some decks were literally playable for 10+ years with minor changes, so even if I thought it was dumb the idea of "investing" into a deck that you'd play for years at least made some sort of sense

now with modern horizons it's literally a rotating format like standard and anyone spending more than fifty bucks on a deck for it is a goddamn retard, Pauper is the only good non rotating format left since wotc can't help themselves from making sure decks run as many mythic rares as possible

>MH constructed
>healthy

>>96956269
>ponza
>post blood moon

Braindead zoomer

>>96955671
i tried building reanimator in $30 vintage and looked for a card that could replace this one - it's absolutely insane how there's nothing even close. There's no other card that's as good as a defensive option, major threat, or card advantage - yet this has ALL 3.

>>96956275
No, no, no, this is all part of our long term master plan to revitalize standard. Don't you remember?
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/revitalizing-standard

>>96956294
>We're monitoring the situation
>All macro archetypes are seeing play
>The meta looks healthy and diverse
>Our data suggests it doesn't have an excessively high win rate
>We can't make any changes now because it would disrupt an upcoming event
>We're waiting to see how the next release effects the meta
>The format has all the tools necessary to deal with it
>There's plenty of room for rogue decks to succeed

>>96956142
>Azorius flyers
>Gruul 4+ attack
>Orzhov sac
>Boros aggro
>Izzet Spells matter
>Simic ramp

Wow, such fresh ideas.

>>96956215
Premodern is flourishing.

>>96956184
diverse meta but somehow still insanely boring to play at least at a tournament level

>>96956336
I will not allow them to get away with their total lack of creativity.

>>96956142
Izzet and Rakdos for me, like always.

>>96956159
Gonna put this in my Hivepool shitbox of a deck.

>>96956357
DFT aggro was vehicles

All the formats may be unsalvageable garbage fires, but hey look at the bright side!

At least WotC has proven their corporate masters have allowed them to ban UB cards.

>>96956369
Will update.

>>96956357
>UR spells
Do you even play the game? You know what spells are, right?

>>96956319
> Bbbut can't ban Atraxa, they'll just print another one!!

People are so retarded that they cannot see how much of a power outlier Atraxa is. Even in the announcement they get so close to why Entomb isn't actually the problem but are too fucking retarded to see.

>>96956395
Yes, I do. The boxes do not have room for writing either "Instants + Sorceries" in the box. Go cry about it.

>>96956324
>Company that runs casual game with balance so piss-poor the only recourse is for the playerbase to self-regulate and collectively agree on not trying to win if they want the game to be enjoyable
>Naturally this falls apart over time and people start getting upset
>Company announces health update where they'll try to focus on fixing the core issues they ignored for over 5 years
>Actually just outs themselves as too retarded to fix the problems and actually makes them worse

>>96956407
>Actually just outs themselves as too retarded to fix the problems and actually makes them worse
This is the funniest part. The fact that they declare they are trying to solve the problem, and ALL their solutions result in the problem getting worse.

You used to only see this level of incompetence in comedy skits. WotC is "Who's on first" but real.

>>96955783
Can't ban cards kiddo. Just think about the shit-fest 0.01% of the player base will start because their investments just lost value.

>>96956134
>The 2 mana value generator that also replaces itself
They clearly didn't learn anything from Beanstalk

This is still the single worst designed thing ever added to any project in all of history across all forms of media.

>>96956405
Then why wouldn't you call it spellslinger like literally everyone else?

>>96956447
Move over, bitch.

>>96956451
Because there isn't enough room for both that and specifying the Lesson subtheme, and if I excluded the Lesson subtheme you'd bitch about that.
Also,
Because fuck you, that's why.

>>96956468
I was talking about BLB and FDN, didn't even look at TLA. That one should just say Lessons, how is a Lesson not going to be a spell??

>>96956447
I don't know about worst ever when Companions exist, but it's still atrocious

>>96955560 (OP)
>profts banned
Im out, only fun card in standard

>>96956458
>>96956478
>The sheer fucking audacity of the fact that we have counterexamples to the claim that Nemesis is the worst

>>96956447
Bounce, exile, -x/-x, enchanted creature cant attack, blocking with wall cards that dont do damage, counter spell, gain control of target creature, target player sacrifices.

Yeah so hard to deal with for decks that are 100% creatures and zero nuance cards. Just further proof of how the game is getting casualized

>>96956447
Perfect counter to lifegain aggro, now Boros will be fucking everyone with Helix and Shelter.

>>96956336
GW allies is just a tribal version of GW tokens and also draw two and +1/+1 counters are archetypes they do often they just swap the color pair a bit more often. The only archetype a bit original is RB

>>96956501
You remind me of the people who would say Uro wasn't an issue because you can just play graveyard hate.

>"The role we intended for Screaming Nemesis was to totally undo red's purpose in a given meta and completely remove its core identity as the fast but fragile part of the game."
How does one become this stupid?
Is there some ancient temple in the wilderness I can go to, to become enlightened in the ways of absolute abject idiocy? Asceticism of the mind?
Is going to this temple a prerequisite to being hired by WotC or something?

>>96956538
>you remind me of [unrelated thing to the discussion at hand]

Well gee thanks gramps for letting me know you took a trip down memory lane but thats just you reminiscing about random crap.

>>96956543
Red isnt allowed to be red. A healthy meta means being able to run decks whose mana curve starts at 3 or else the casuals feelings might get hurt.

>>96956543
But he is right, faggot. Any fucking wall or big creature completely shut down monored decks on equal level or worse than lifegain.

And let's not pretend three drops in monored is something ordinary, even more in this 4-turns Standard metagame

>>96956543
yes just become a progressive and you'll fit right in with everybody at jotc

>>96956588
>But he is right, faggot. Any fucking wall or big creature completely shut down monored decks on equal level or worse than lifegain.
YES
THAT'S
THE
FUCKING
POINT
OF
RED

Imagine being so retarded you make a whole set with lessons but you have to wait literally at the third set of next year to have Learn cards is like, can the fucking designers stop being so retarded?

>>96956599
>can the fucking designers stop being so retarded?
That's a tall ask.

>past few months
I would have say past few years, but it's probably because I don't live in Nebraska where the format was FLOURISHING until recently.

>>96956612
Yes anon.
Only months. Months, anon. And only a few of them. Not more than a few.
Standard has only been bad for a short period of time, anon.
Ravenous Chupacabra? What's that?

>>96956588
> But he is right, faggot. Any fucking wall or big creature completely shut down monored decks
????????????? the fuck are you talking about bitch? you played a single game against monored the last five years, bonobo?

>>96956599
What's wrong with lessons not using learn? It's basically tribal for instants/sorceries. Learn is only one way to do it.

Why are you still here? What compels you to still play Magic after all the shit you are seeing?

>>96956632
1. I don't play Magic.
2. I'm just here to laugh at it.
3. If I can encourage more people to not play the game, that is better than not being here to do that.

>>96956632
Most magic players as sado-masocists who enjoy both complaining about the game and abusing the broken cards until they get banned.

>>96956501
The issue is that Standard is so fast that the reactive decks that deal with it like this just aren’t very good

>>96956632
draft is still fun

>>96956632
I like belching people too much

>>96956632
>Play
>Magic
Tall ask, Fresno, I’m here just for the show, this is peak comedy not other TCG is in a worse state right now and 2026 will be a more hilarious year than this one when they drop Leonardo and Picard in all formats.

>>96956596
The point is lost when 100% of the combo decks are faster than the most aggro deck in the format.

It's the same reason with pic related.

>>96956660
>this is peak comedy not other TCG is in a worse state right now and 2026 will be a more hilarious year than this one
A-fucking-men my guy.
MTG is the best damn clown show on earth.

>>96956663
>The point is lost when 100% of the combo decks are faster than the most aggro deck in the format.
So your argument is that,
Making the game worse is acceptable if and only if the game is already in a terrible state?

The fuck kind of advanced level stupidity is that?

>>96956660
>Picard
i can stand avatar, i can stand hobbits, i can stand even ninjas… but why this sci fi shit? no one liked eoe

>>96956649
Because magic players are all casual net deckers who only want to play the same flashy power cards and deck archetypes. Its literally a problem that the player base creates for themselves by refusing to branch out.

>>96956686
well I personally liked EoE but I am also not looking forward to Star Trek

>>96956599
>return to strixhaven is released
>new learn card break standard because of lessons from avatar
>ban announcement: lessons were fine when we playested them in Atla standard because they weren't a lot of strong synergies with them, we didn't expect the interaction between those lesson and the learn cards
I'm 80% sure something like that will happen

>>96956686
>i can stand avatar, i can stand hobbits, i can stand even ninjas… but why this sci fi shit? no one liked eoe
EoE was likely a corporate-motivated set intended to slowly "boil the frog" so that scifi UB IPs would be more palatable to players.

>>96956697
>lessons were fine when we playested them in Atla standard because they weren't a lot of strong synergies with them, we didn't expect the interaction between those lesson and the learn cards
Get a load of Nostradamus over here. 100% how it's going to happen.

>"We tested the Lesson cards in Strixhaven with the Learn cards in Strixhaven, but did not think players would mix Strixhaven Learn cards with Avatar Lesson cards, so did not test those two together."
It's just how WotC do.

>>96956501
In response I tap a red and cast shock targeting nemesis

>>96956688
Yeah I should brew a shit deck that lose on turn 3 against helkite/mouse package or combo shitters instead of try and play the most over efficient shit in the format and win, that will show them right? Fuck off, is not the player base fault this is completely a designers mistake

>>96956447
T3feri and Ajani are worse, but only slightly so

>>96956632
Because I like playing with my friends, even if some of their decks annoy me. But it's still a good way to pass time if nothing else.

>>96956698
it didn’t work to me…

>>96956632
I really liked the art in this game for a long time and I keep hoping the good stuff returns

>>96956686
Don’t forget superheros, anon, next year you are playing with Blacked Panther and She-Hulk across all formats!! Will be great!!!

>>96956632
>Why are you still here?
I just got here a week ago. I started playing mtg again for final fantasy. I only play on mtg forge though against bots.

>What compels you to play when hotdog stands are in the game?
I have played on and off since I was 13. UB can be contained if you play cube or draft which remain internally consistent lore wise. I have never enjoyed standard or other shitty meta sheep formats.

This being said the funko pop state of mtg is unsustainable and clearly has pissed people off. I look forward to the ccg crash that is inevitably coming.

>>96956632

I checked out of competitive play after the companion fiasco.

I checked out of limited because the price of a draft has doubled over the past 5 years while card design quality has crashed.

I'm now checking out of casual play because unless you impose some dumb restrictions on yourself, you have to put up with all the shit decisions from the past 7 or so years.

At this point i enjoy theorycrafting more than actually playing. If they make the Hybrid Mana change for commander though, i think i'll just stop bothering entirely. Thank you WotC for saving me money by encouraging me to check out of this game completely.

>>96956586
The comparison is relevant because you're making the same mistake the Uro fags did. You're overestimating how effective the available tools are while underestimating the threat.

>>96956688
Bro, I have brewed 1000s of jank lists over my time playing this game across almost all formats. The problem is that players don't brew, the problem is that you CAN'T brew.

Every top list now is just a mythicpile of WotC's most broken fugue state psychotic episode printings. You simply do not have enough time to do anything with any kind of jank. If you try, you die before executing even half of the jank you were hoping for.

It is no longer worth it to spend time brewing. You take the cards that WotC designs to be the best, and you put them in your deck. That is the nuMagic brewing process.

I have said this many times before, and I will say it again. A format is not healthy when the top 3-10 decks have a relatively even meta share. A format is healthy when the bottom 100 decks all have fringe chances of winning tournaments. That simply is not the case anymore. WotC only balances for the top decks. They only care if the "meta share" of hyper-optimized izzet slop pile matches the meta share of the azorius toilet full of mythic rares.

Brewing is dead, and WotC killed it.

>>96956501
Wishing you luck in your transition to Leyline, xister.

>>96956632
I come here to shitpost

AAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHA
I WARNED YOU ABOUT WINDOWS BRO
AAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAH

>>96956486
>I wanna cast 3cmc Serra Angels that also cantrip on ETB
Fuck you and good riddance

>>96956632
Stop posting non-MTG proxy art.

>>96956755
>I checked out of limited because the price of a draft has doubled over the past 5 years
has it? when was draft 10 bucks

>>96956805
>has it? when was draft 10 bucks
Draft used to be 9 dollars mate. Then it was 12 dollars for around 15 years.
21 dollars is basically double 12 dollars.

>>96956125
>We, the people making cards, never could have known that we'd make more cards after making this card
Ah yes, what a groundbreaking excuse. Might as well have just copypasted that for every banning reasoning in the entire article

Isn't brawl 60 card commander with the standard card pool? Wtf are these doing on the banlist?

>>96956805

Even without MSRP, you can check the numbers for how much it cost to draft Ikoria in early 2020 to how much it cost to draft Final Fantasy in 2025.

At my LGS, it was like $16 to draft Ikoria. This was with 3 boosters each and a prize pack.

Final fantasy cost $32 if you want the same prize support.

im on my bullshit again wish me luck tonight

>>96956845
That's "Standard Brawl"
"Brawl" is every arena legal card in a 100 card list.

Standard Brawl is a lot of fun imo, I don't understand why that format failed to take off in paper.

>>96956845
brawl is any card on Arena
standard brawl has standard cards

>>96956733
Honestly, it'd be kind of funny if She-Hulk gets in since mono-green Tifa is pretty much already it

>>96956852
Because the only thing worse than commander is 1v1 commander.

>Here's your red sweeper bro
>Doesn't even hit Kaito bro
T-t-thanks?

>>96956845
because historic brawl become so popular on arena they renamed it to just brawl and traditional brawl became standard brawl

in other words, brawl is now the 100-card singleton format on arena and standard brawl is the 60-card singleton format everywhere else

>>96956710
Its called game theory pareto inefficiency. There are other strategies that can have better payoff but since everyone is a casual like you who wants to play the same net decks as everyone else you get caught in a trap of your own making. Then you push for bans that make the game even more casualized by removing even more alternative strategies and deck builds.

>>96956852
>Standard Brawl is a lot of fun imo, I don't understand why that format failed to take off in paper.
From talking to the EDHfags in my community, I remember the general sentiment at the time was "why would I waste money building a deck I know will be invalidated in a year?"

>>96956872
>historic brawl become so popular on arena they renamed it to just brawl and traditional brawl became standard brawl
Okay that's where the confusion was coming from, I don't play Arena because it doesn't have Pauper or Legacy so I must have missed all this.

>>96956789
>if the metagame ends up severely imbalanced
>IF, not WHEN
Hey. Hey, yeah you. Come here. No, a little closer…..guess what..?
BALANCE THE GAME BY PRINTING POWERFUL WHITE CARDS IN STANDARD YOU BIASED FUCKING KIKES!!!
When you GUT an entire color from Standard for YEARS, the game becomes unbalanced PERMANENTLY, that’s why there’s FIVE FUCKING COLORS, YOU STUPID FUCKING KIKES!

>>96956891
Screaming Nemesis is exclusively played by netdeckers or people mindlessly slamming the strongest cards together into their deck.

>>96956910
>why would I waste money building a deck I know will be invalidated in a year?
Funny since thats just how regular edh is. Without the blanket defense of “casual format” edh gets power crept faster than anything else

>>96956852
>I don't understand why that format failed to take off in paper.
because the first iteration of the format was using old standard rules, that means 4 to 8 sets that rotate every 2 years, why would someone invest time and money into something with such a small card pool that's going to end up rotating anyway?

I agree that the current version of the format is fun but that's only because they fucked up standard hard so we can have a deep card pool

>>96956761
And you are making the same mistake every ban happy casual makes where you think if you just perpetually remove more and more cards from play that other cards won't get introduced that will keep the power creep going.

The problem isnt that obviously busted cards get banned the problem is that they ban problem cards and then they also ban cards that are only a problem because casuals absolutely refuse to play around them.

When was the last time you played anyone who had walls in their deck?

>>96956850
Preordain should be thoughtscours if you wanna actually synergize with your unearths. Seems like you’re pulling in too many directions to justify twin in there. I support grixis piles. This just seems like a UB deck with twin shoved in. Here’s some spice if you wanna snort something

>>96955653
IIRC, they banned Hopeless specifically because they realized it was going to cause problems with future sets.

>>96956964
>IIRC, they banned Hopeless specifically because they realized it was going to cause problems with future sets.
They are the ones who designed the future sets.

>>96956917
They tried that with MH3. Modern is extremely color balanced nowadays. Isn't it wonderful? Don't you love Modern?

>>96956869
I think it's a lot better actually
>constrained card pool
>lots of information pre-mulligan even in bo1
>still has the strong flavor/theming of a commander deck
>no multiplayer retardation

>>96956972
>I think it's a lot better actually
l m f a o

>>96956917
Leave Standard to me.

>>96956980
than Commander?
yeah

>>96956987
>This turd is better than that turd!
They're all turds, anon.

>>96956972
The multiplayer aspect is the only reason the format is somewhat balanced, 1v1 with commanders is shit, especially against randoms.

>>96956990
I don't agree I actually have a lot of fun with Standard Brawl
admittedly some of that might be due to the fact that the arcane "hell queue" protects me from whatever the most degenerate decks are in that format

>>96956982
The saddest thing is all the blue kikes have to do is warp a Riddler and immediately recover

>>96956956
Anon, fucking listen to yourself. You're arguing that people should be shoving more walls in their decks to answer a single pushed mythic. You know what we call that? Warping the meta. During the heyday of Izzet Phoenix, people were running maindeck Surgical Extraction and the price skyrocketed to astronomic levels. Is that healthy?

>>96956997
1v1 commander is fine if it's curated accordingly, duel commander is 10x billion times better than cedh for example

>>96957021
>curated accordingly

>>96956792
What you described barely would win draft in 2025

>>96957024
yeah, the duel commander banned and restricted list has like 80 cards
they literally banned and restricted cards until aggro and midrange were just as playable as combo in a legacy card pool

>>96957050
what's the qrd on differences between duel commander and historic brawl
is it just the ban list?

>>96957033
Hyperbole is unbecoming of you, anon.

>>96957067
they are completely different formats managed by different entities, duel commander has a panel with people who ban and restrict cards, games are best of 3 with no sideboards but you can switch your commander for another creature in the 99 as long as you don't break color identity, some cards are restricted so they aren't banned but you can't use them as commanders and the card pool is much bigger than arena's

>>96957067
>>96957101
and I forgot about the special partner ruling, if you have 2 commanders with partner, the first time you cast either of them, it locks the other one for the rest of the game, so it's like you only have one commander, this way people don't gravitate towards 4c parner soup decks because you'd get to play all the good cards + 2 commanders

>>96957033

>A 3 mana 4/4 flier that cantrips would be bad in draft

Tell me you don't play limited without telling me you don't play limited

>>96956956
>Mono red players are so fucking stupid they think 2 mana 0/4s are a real answer to Screaming Nemesis

>>96957070
>>96957158
Actual retards

>>96957225
>no

>>96956922
> or people mindlessly slamming the strongest cards together into their deck

Oh yeah, cause having an answer for the biggest counter there is to monored (lifegain) is absolutely mindless!
If you want to make a point about a card being too strong at least have some decent arguments. Also, everyone knows that mono-red was only pushed that hard cause it was the only deck that could win consistenly against Vivi Cauldron retardation.

I just find it funny that the red aggro decks from six months ago have now had like every single card in them banned except for the lands lol

>>96957275
But remember what Gavin Verhey promised for Standard.

Powerful
White
Cards

>>96957275
>I just find it funny that the red aggro decks from six months ago have now had like every single card in them banned except for the lands lol
It would be one thing if all these cards got banned from some random Eternal format they never intended to be put together in.
But WotC intentionally designed all these cards to be in the same Standard. That is the true horror of just how utterly fucking incompetent these people are.

LOLOL
SUCK MY COCK RED ASSHOLES
WHO DUMPS THEIR WHOLE HAND TURN 1 FOR 40 DAMAGE NOW
LIFELINK YOU'RE NEXT

>>96957275
you clearly don’t play the format

The statement about Nemesis's design is insane.
That they went in with the intent to create a card that turns red's weakensses off. It wasn't just some accidental "we changed the card last minute and accidentally put for the rest of the game on it instead of until end of turn"
It was by design. They went in with the intent to design a bad card that ruins the game. The design intent of Nemesis was to ruin the game. To take red, and to turn off the things that balance it against other colors. It's crazy.

>>96956963
preordain is for selection, rather than just dumping gy. if i were playing murktide it would be scour, but i wanted an extreme top-end combo out rather than stinky the sewer dragon.
the point of it is to continually present threats that either win the game if left alone and tax your answers enough to slide in a twin combo while you're shields down or buyback something you've already dealt with when you're out of gas.
unearthing a deceiver for combo or flipping it from a manifest is kino of the highest order.
i thought about going for the last 2 twins in the sb to bring in against titan, but there's only one titan player at my shop and there's a fuckload of riddlers and boros 2cat going around.
>that wizards deck
HOLY BASED

>>96957324
red was shit before then so it's understandable

>>96957332
>red was shit before then so it's understandable
Stop gobbling WotC's semen.

>>96957292
Bro your removal? Your bounce? Your fogs? You remove one (1) of the red player creature as it enter is almost game over for the red player most of the time.

>they want red, the colour of explosive turns, zero card advantage, telegraphed and simple plays, to lose it only upside which is strong early turns.

You had 30+ years to learn to play against it, if youre THAT bad and slow, it’s not red’s fault.

block me now redtards

>>96957347
Too slow!

>>96955613
>they did the copypasta
Fuck these guys

>>96957008
Now that Nemesis is gone I hope people are ready for 2+ years of absolute blue dominance in Standard.

>Profts is Luminarch aspirant on crack
>Nemesis breaks the pie simply because JOTC deemed it so for lulz
>Black removes enchantments now for raisins
>Green is now the artifact synergy color
>White remains the same except weaker and never breaks pie
They hated White-anon because they told the truth

>>96957401
>Nemesis breaks the pie simply because JOTC deemed it so for lulz
I can not fucking believe the gall they had to state they INTENDED to ruin the fucking game with Nemesis.

What kind of fucking maximum bozo supreme idiot king do you have to be, as a designer, to get the idea "We should intentionally design something that sucks ass, breaks our game and ruins everything" AND THEN ACTUALLY FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THAT IDEA. Holy FUCK.

>>96957361
No thank you

Screaming Nemesis:
The worst idea ever, executed as badly as possible.

What a triumph of incompetence.

Remember when $100 booster packs felt like the lowest they could go?

This is the card from TLA that will fuck.

>>96957509
what product did they release now to top it?

>>96957418
I was really hoping that the banning would remove you from these threads, fucking let it go anon. Its gone. And no, no one actually plays Pioneer so its gone.

>>96957535
What attack triggers are going to make that worthwhile?

>>96957535
>it's another fable of the mirror breaker episode

>>96957535
What are some cool attacking-triggered abilities to copy other than Firebending?

>>96957555
Doesn't matter. Attack triggers at all.
It's a potent creature that leaves a game-ending threat enchantment behind when removed. WotC continues to learn nothing.

>>96957535
Firebending has zero actual playable cards in Standard and that likely tracks across all formats.

Trainee is essentially Dreadhorde Arcanist tier, which means it will take a lot of support to play with and only be decent if it isn't disrupted in any way.

All of the bendings were played very safe, but fire / earth absolutely got handled with kid gloves.

>>96956789
>we will be increasing the number of B&R
Didn't they just announce earlier this year that they'd lower the number of B&R?

>>96957559
>What are some cool attacking-triggered abilities to copy other than Firebending?
Oh, gee, I don't know man what creature with an attack trigger could Red possibly have access to...

>>96957566

If the 2/2 is blocked before the enchantment gets four counters, then the enchantment left behind is hardly game ending.

So yeah, what attack triggers will make it worthwhile? You're going to need enough of them to get this off consistently.

Also note that the creature itself needs the ability. You can't use an enchantment to get around it.

>>96957557
>a potent creature
>2 mana 2/2 with firebend 1

>game ending threat enchantment
>requires you to swing in with specific creatures

cmon anon, it might be good but it's no fable

>>96957587
>So yeah, what attack triggers will make it worthwhile?
anon...
>>96957577

>>96957544
250$ boosters filled with unplayable cards was another banger

>>96957592
Doubly funny because TLE actually has a relatively decent Fable analog in it but obviously that is legacy / commander only...

>>96957577
>>96957598


... You won't get the attack trigger unless you already have delerium.

Meaning you won't get a quest counter unless you've already set up delerium, in which case you're probably already winning. If you've got to the point where you have both FOMO and Ascension online in mono red, you probably haven't won fast enough.

And the payoff for that is untapping two creatures instead of one for the extra attack phase.

>>96957570
>Firebending has zero actual playable cards in Standard and that likely tracks across all formats.
>likely tracks across all formats.

Printing this and posting in the future just to show how wrong you are.

>>96957577
This guy gets it.

>>96957600
which one, some collector?

My immediate suspicion with Firebender Ascension is some kind of BR / BG / Jund midrange abomination.

>>96957615
>just attack four times without your enchantment being bounced / removed in order to double more attack triggers

I want some of whatever this anon is having. It isn't like Into the Flood Maw is an overwhelmingly played card or anything, right?

love this page

>>96957639
My guy literally admiting that red is easy to deal with.
Anti-red whinning trannies on suicide watch

>>96957535
>People thinking about playing Firebender's Ascension with red cards
SIMPLETONS

>>96957639
> >just attack four times without your enchantment being bounced / removed in order to double more attack triggers

Funny how someone says this is a bad thing, when the crybabies complain thats this is exactly what makes monored too strong.

>>96957677
Specifically in the case of Ascention, ItFM is a 1 mana instant kill spell for the token and is a 1 mana instant kill spell for the enchantment, too. Enjoy your tapped fish.

>>96957639
>I want some of whatever this anon is having. It isn't like Into the Flood Maw is an overwhelmingly played card or anything, right?
Wow you Flood Maw'd my enchantment?
Cool, you fucking idiot. I still have my 2/2, and now I get another 2/2. Congrats. It makes a token on ETB retard, bouncing it shit.

>>96957719

>Bounces your token before it attacks
Now what, Idiot?

>>96957683
>Attacking for game with the 19999/7
THE ONLY CORRECT ANSWER

double flood maw does not seem like a great answer

>>96957736
>Now what, Idiot?
You just 2-for-0'd yourself and are losing. Thanks.

>>96957745

You're aware i don't have to gift you shit to bounce the token?

So i used a removal spell for the creature, as removal spells should be used for, and you now have a do-nothing enchantment on the field.

You can argue that i 1-for-0'd myself because you still have the enchantment, but the enchantment is sitting there doing nothing because you now have nothing on board to give it quest counters.

Where did you get 2-for-0 from?

>>96957639
Unlike fable, there's actually a cost efficient answer in Standard.

>>96957765
whoops, for some reason I thought this one was enchantment or artifact
guess firebending is going to dominate Standard

>>96957762
Wow that was a really cool play.
I re-cast the Ascension and make another 2/2. Now you still have the threat of Ascension getting online. Thanks for the value.

>>96957773

re-cast it how? it's sitting on the board doing nothing. Are you splashing blue to start bouncing shit back to your hand or are you just planning on opening 4 ascensions, 2 mountains and a fomo every game?

Looks like cancer to me.

>>96957788
>re-cast it how? it's sitting on the board doing nothing.
Oh so you didn't bounce it?
Cool, I play another threat and now you have to worry about it getting online for the rest of the game.

>>96957719
Anon, I'm sorry to have to do this to you but meet your new worst enemy.
Oh, and it plays nice with Riddler, too. You will be seeing a lot of this asshole soon.

>>96957789
Oh, also it also gets Tersa lmao which weirdly hasn't been updated to the "this creature" wording for some fucking reason so it didn't show up in the quick search I don't know WotC is retarded I guess

>>96957807
>Blue Vigilance

>>96957789
>no delirium for fomo
>no other pirates for breeches
smart red player

>>96957834
anon in case you haven't noticed, that is not a full decklist

>>96957827
what are you upset about? blue has had vigilance for a couple years now!

>>96957842
go ahead and post a full list then, I'll hold my laughter until then

>>96957864
No I don't think I will.

I just want to take a moment to point and laugh hardly at all the faggots that thought, and still believe that Firebending will not be problematic.

>>96957789

>FOMO needs delerium active to trigger Ascension
>Breeches looks good on paper, but he'll only trigger Ascension if he's attacking. Ascension states that the ability of "that creature" has to trigger, so you can't abuse some pirate shit unfortunately.

Preacher and Bronco could be kinda baller though

>>96957800

Every follow up to ascension in the format either triggers situationally or is counterintuitive to the strategy. What "Other threat" are you playing that abuses this?

>>96957818

>Doesn't trigger ascension unless you've got 7 cards in the yard.
>The payoff if you get quest online is exiling two cards *at random* (Not optional) and playing them this turn if you have the mana.

Not consistent enough i don't think. All the stuff you'd want to play in an aggro deck is too situational. Midrangey decks can make it work better, but the payoff isn't worth the setup.

>>96957886
You are talking about Ascension as though it doesn't come with a free threat on ETB.

Why are you judging the card as if it is only half the card?

Same mentality as looking at Cutter and saying it's bad because it only gives a creature +1/+1 and haste.

>>96957906

Because this entire discussion has been based around "What do you do if the token is dealt with and you're left with a do-nothing enchantment?"

If the token sticks and isn't removed, and if you're able to get 4 attacks in with it, you end up with a 2/2 that generates 2 mana during combat per turn, assuming there's no other follow up.

So if you're building around ascension, it's going to be as good as the attack triggers you can abuse with it, either cheap ones to get Ascension online earlier, or good ones that you really benefit off of copying.

I get that you're all excited about the cardboard, but comparing this to Cutter is a bit hyperbolic.

TQ
>standard
don't care, thanks for the wildcards I guess
>pioneer
glad I'll see less red, even if only a little bit
>modern
they're pretty much confirming amulet is gonna get banned in the next one so good grief
>legacy
this is not enough, mystic forge and tamiyo decks are gonna make people miserable until the next one
>vintage
looking foward to people bringing entomb and nadu decks to the meta since you can't play them anywhere else lmao
>pauper
I think I played against high tide a single time and I'm glad it got rebanned

>>96957940
>Because this entire discussion has been based around "What do you do if the token is dealt with and you're left with a do-nothing enchantment?"
Nothing.
You do nothing and it's still good.
You do not need to make any investment other than having a handful of attack triggers in your deck.
That's it. You do fuck all, and then suddenly after things have stabilized you're randomly getting an overwhelming value out of doubled attack triggers for fucking free out of nowhere.

You do nothing, anon. You do not have to do anything.

It's going to be Mardu Ascension.
Standard will burn.
No survivors.

Firebender's Ascension and this guy might be cool

>>96957849
Blue vigilance has been in pie since the 90s actually!

>>96957973
>Firbender Ascension in the same standard a Mobilize
oh, right
Mobilize exists

oh great

>>96957995
I wouldn't worry, they posted the only decent mobilize card.

>>96957958
>overwhelming value out of doubled attack triggers
lmao

>>96957958

But this is what i'm saying.
The attack triggers you have access to in mono red, for an aggro deck, are too situational to trigger the enchantment.
This isn't Fable or Cori Steel, where either the token provides more immediate value or can be replenished later.
The ascension will be sitting there doing nothing unless you fill your deck with enough cheap and efficient attackers to set it up consistently.
And the payoff for that is going to be copying those attack triggers, where if you've got it to that point, you're winning more.

>>96957973

Best answer i've seen so far. At least here there's a curve and all of the attack triggers do something.

>>96957981

Anim's strength is that you don't have to attack with her to get the trigger if you don't want to. Ascension, if you want the counter, requires you to attack with her. It's a cute interaction that could make it into the above mardu shell, but won't be breaking anything. She probably wins the game within 4 attacks without the Ascension anyway.

>>96958016
Standard is ogre

>>96957992
slap an unstable mutation on that bad boy and kill some druids

Judging by the bans, ATLA cards and this thread cards discussions, i would say, not yet with full confidence tho, that standard is healing.

>>96958018
Yes as it would turn out, randomly getting an Isshin ability out of nowhere for free that's difficult to interact with in the midgame is actually very good, and will help the deck close out games it otherwise would have no right to win.

>>96957973
Didn't even consider mobilize. Make me think you could do some shenanigans with Arabella + mobilize tokens for some big damage

>>96958037
>Healing
If by "Healing" you mean fucked beyond believe, the i agree, is healing. Healing without salvation.

>>96958043
>Didn't even consider mobilize. Make me think you could do some shenanigans with Arabella + mobilize tokens for some big damage
Yes, actually, you absolutely could do that....
Might end up Boros then.

>>96958043
Arabella doesn't need the ascension stuff, she has other problems.

Still laughing at how you guys said obliterator would break Standard.

>Bruse will give Bivouac double strike
Boros Cow Kindred + Ascension
it's time

>>96958029

I mean if Standard is actually gonna be fucked, may as well make some bank off of it

>>96956632
I actually dropped after Spiderman release.
Just checking in to see if anything changed.

>>96958088
It's cheap enough to be low risk.
Not the best prediction considering it has Kaito to compete with, but the Mobilize/Ascension line seems like at least something.

>>96958101
>Just checking in to see if anything changed.
Things have changed since Spiderman, yes.
For the worse.

>>96958081
was it played even when first printed?

>>96956870
STOP PRINTING RITUALS
WE'RE GOING TO REACH CRITICAL MASS

Seems like Ascension has potential play in both aggro and midrange.

>>96958133
Not really, which makes the claims all the more amusing. This general sucks at predictions, anyone taking it seriously is going to have a bad time.

time to see if turbo lifegain is viable now that nemesis is gone

lmao this motherfucker's right Ascension is going to be fucked

>shitty midrange deck that doesn't synergize unless you draw ascension
nice

>>96958037
It would be a shame to have to fuck up standard.

>>96958249
No it's generically good value bodies that becomes cracked if you draw midrange.

how does monowhite draw cards in standard right now?

>>96958317
It doesn't

With only an extremely shit, unoptimized initial brew, it already feels like it has great winning chances against current Kaito and control lists.

Ascension does, in fact, feel absolutely fucking TERRIFYING.

>>96957992
And White has had Trample since Mirage and Arabian Nights, but yet you don’t see kikes of the coast printing 100 mono white trample creatures do you? Hmm, very interesting

>>96958317
Caretakers Talent and Enduring Innocence, sometimes Fountainport from token makers

BRUSE TARL WILL HAVE HIS COW HERDING DAY
I always knew that fucker was cracked beyond belief.

>>96958317
Mazemind Tome and Fountainport if you're an Ugin chad

>>96958359
>fomo with 4 types in the deck and almost no way of enabling it
>go wide deck with no anthems
>slower than aggro, dead to control
incredible work, it's sure to be a /mtg/ classic

>>96958422
>incredible work, it's sure to be a /mtg/ classic

>With only an extremely shit, unoptimized initial brew
Learning to read helps you read.

>>96958425
>it already feels like it has great winning chances against current Kaito and control lists.
>Ascension does, in fact, feel absolutely fucking TERRIFYING.
Throwing a disclaimer on there for the sole purpose of trying to shield yourself from criticism is plain cowardice. Either it's extremely shit or it's terrifying and got great chances at winning, which one is it?

>>96955560 (OP)
Now we just have to fix the problem where UBslop is allowed anywhere but commander.
>pauper
>unban high tide
>doesn't break the format at all or even come close
>barely 3% of the format
Now this ban makes ZERO sense. It barely does better than any other deck that occasionally gets 1st in an MTGO event. It's most recent showing in a big name event was placing 17-32.

>>96958468
>Either it's extremely shit or it's terrifying and got great chances at winning, which one is it?
It's you having no reading comprehension and not being able to parse that "Extremely shit" was talking about the decklist while "terrifying" was talking about a specific card.

>>96958490
>it already feels like it has great winning chances against current Kaito and control lists.
Is that referring to a specific card? Or is it referring to a shitbrew?

>>96958489
Pauper chads hate combos. High Tide is a combo piece. Simple as.

>>96958546
Learning to read is a you problem, buddy. Go hire a fucking Grade 1 English tutor.

>>96958554
I just don't get it. They still have Balustrad spy which is much worse than high tide.

FLOURISHING STATUS????????

>>96958649
>96958649
yeah, i agree with Balustrad spy being worst, spceially on my LGS. Never seen a high tide there.

Meanwhile, Snap is still legal, and we control chads are still eating good. It blows my mind how many few lists i see running Snap and Unsummon, two banger control pieces.

>>96958693
IT'S!!!!!!!!!! (in Nebraska)

We need some kind of MtG stock market that lets people make puts on cards, so I can make some money off retards.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I LOVE SCREAMING NEMESIS

YOU COCKSUCKERS, YOU TOOK HER FROM ME

>>96958865
Subhuman

>>96958865
screaming anon is something to be taken away too

>>96958876
Bro, just two days ago I shocked my own Screaming Nemesis to shut down a drain deck. I came buckets.

Literally my favorite card in Standard. I could take all the other bans mono red got but it's fucking over now.

Also, fuck, Screaming Nemesis was my plan to make it through all of this UBslop without ever playing a single UB card. She was the equalizer.

What the fuck kind of deck is there to play in Standard without having to rely on UBslop now that mono red is no longer fun? You'd have to add in retarded firebending shit. FUCK FUCK FUCK

>officially is on the same power level as Yawgmoth's Bargain
SAY HIS NAME

Well, this is it, then. Goodbye sweet princess.

The fuck am I supposed to play now if I try to avoid UBslop? Anyone got any ideas?

>>96958939
Commander Bird

Consider the following.
Why won't Wizards embrace the Arena and its digital nature, and put there format called "Living Standard". Basically Standard but one which would receive weekly bannings unbannings. It would allow them to test stuff, mess up with meta, do things they cannot do normally.

>>96958942
Just run slickshot instead

>>96958963
Everyone would bitch and say it's a scheme for them to sell more packs.

Some quick testing tells me you don't really need to invest in combat-focused mana sinks for Firebending to be incredible.
It's really just free tempo. You just throw out your removal on the back of it to blast through any blockers they try to set up, and it's more than good enough.

>>96959046
because anything with firebending is overcosted

>>96959155
Just saying, the mechanic itself is generically good without building for it.

isn't this a strong white card?

>>96959201
>Lifelink
>Removes opponent's creatures
>Ward
That's a Black card, anon.

>>96959201
>drawn by Spaghetti Bolognese
Anon, it's black

>Unplayably terrible
BEHOLD, A WHITE CARD!

>>96959251
>destroys lands
>is total shit
KOWABUNGA, WHITEBROS, I THINK WE FOUND IT

>>96959251
>destroys your own lands
Damn, you might've actually found a white card. That means until we find a second one, it is also the strongest white card.

Alright bros, we dug an inch into the shit pit landfill that is Standard!
How much more digging do we have to do before Standard is decent!?
>Kaito
>Enduring Xs
>Omni
oh...
>Rizzler
>SSS
>Emberheart Challenger
oh no......
>FOMO
>Stock Up
>Sheltered by Ghosts......
nooo no no oh nooo no no oh oh no

>>96959293
>That means until we find a second one, it is also the strongest white card.
All hail White King, Wood Elemental,

BEHOLD
A WHITE CARD AT LONG LAST!!

>>96958939
All design mistakes of new mtg cards are done because they designed the card for commander.

>>96959455
>All design mistakes of new mtg cards are done because they designed the card for commander.
That's not true. The recent B&R revealed they intentionally designed Screaming Nemesis to ruin Standard.

>>96959412
>sacrifice opponent's swamps
holy shit ban this card

>>96959495
That's how Wood Elemental is worded!

>>96958738
I'm tired of Prowess and Landfall being in every set.

>>96958942
Have you considered not being a red baby?

>>96959555
>I'm tired of Prowess and Landfall being in every set.
Aww, does wee widdle Timmy wants good and interesting design in MTG? Wahhhh boo hoo, too bad.

>>96959555
Just you wait...

>>96959577
Putting those abilities and the same effects on landfall over and over again in every set is just boring. Not interesting design at all. There's nothing interesting about a game that has devolved entirely in the most braindead version of the aggro strategy possible.

The old RDW decks with very few if any +1/+1 counter or +X/+X effect using good timing with the bolts and so on was much more interesting. Especially when it got into the more midrange versions. RDW unironically peaked in Innistrad. Don't get me wrong, I like Quirion Dryad decks. But when everything played is just another paint by the numbers +X/+X effect whenever you do Y and draw a card whenever you do Z, it's just slop. Pure slop designed entirely for pigs.

>next set
>Vivi's Screaming Memory
>1RU 1/3 creature
>when this creature enters, attacks or is dealt damage, draw a card. Then if you have drawn more than 1 card this turn, put +1/+1 counter on this creature equals to the number of cards drawn minus one. Then it deals damage equals to its power to any target. If that target was a player, it can't gain life for the rest of existence.
>0: add any combination of mana equals to this creature of power

>>96959618
>Screaming Nemesis
You're not dreaming big enough anon.

>>96959608
Hi Art. I'm a time traveler. Unfortunately that card was printed for 2030 standard. It was not viable. It seems overpowered now. But the ICE design philsophy they'll adopt in 2028 will result in such power creep that that silly little guy will only be draft chaff.

>>96959694
>>96959694
>>96959694