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>>11474134 (OP)
God Knuckle!

......What? You think God Ginrai is Reddit incarnate?

why is devastator taller

>>11474169
I think the more appropriate question is why is Superion so short

>>11474169
Devastator shorter than Menasor feels weird but I see the Menasor has 3P Kits on
Still fucking waiting on a Magnus anywhere near Retail

Will this new thread get deleted?

>>11474134 (OP)
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>>11474134 (OP)
i couldnt find any good videos comparing him to the fanshobby version
>>11474169
that Menasor has 3P upgrades to make it taller. Without any kits Devastator is slightly taller than Menasor

>>11474184
>Still fucking waiting on a Magnus anywhere near Retail

The reissue comes out in a few months doesnt it?

>>11474134 (OP)
Well, will this save the brand or kill it for good?

>>11474200

It was started without a blatantly off topic image, so it's probably safe.

>>11474236
>talk about transformers media
>offtopic
Without the media this brand would be dead, reminder Takara sold the toys without a story and they were a flop. Everyone cares about the toys because of the media, let's not lie. If the toys really would be more important than the media then shit like gobots and other brands would still sell Today.

>>11474239

You're completely right. I just don't like the Bay movies, so I'm completely okay with that avenue of discussion getting shut down.

>>11474241
Sure, but Bay coming back does lots of damage to the brand. I still remember when The Last Knight bombed, before it flopped in my country we had big stands for Transformers toys, we had entire sections of everything, it was peak. We even had for TLK and then the film bombed hard and it killed TF at retail (in my country but heard it happened in many others). It took years for TF to return to retail here after 2017, and now when it gets better they bring Bay back to fuck it up hard. I don't hate the films but I hate TLK because it killed the brand here.

I don't believe Bay will be back because:
>Paramount knows Bay is responsible for the damage the brand got, he is better as a producer
>Most likely if they do make another film they will do the Josh Cooley idea (100% will be a reboot, maybe they will put it in canon with One and try to translate the designs to live action) and if that film is a hit we might get another animated film that's a sequel to One
Or they let the rights expire and Hasbro finally gives them to another studio (I hope Legendary or WB)

>>11474235
I'd rather have Bay do skibidi toilet

>>11474242

I'm with you. I'm going through Prime for the first time and while I don't completely hate it, it really is a slap in the face coming off TFA as far as how the Bay movies poisoned the aesthetic of the entire franchise for so many years.

>>11474248
>how the Bay movies poisoned the aesthetic of the entire franchise for so many years.
And the writing too. Do give RID15 a chance after you're done with Prime because it's free of the bayformer influence.

>>11474241
>>11474242
>>11474248
>>11474257
oh look the fat man babies are still crying about the movies that saved the franchise from obscurity and prefer children's cartoons instead why I am not surprised

>>11474257

That too. I liked TFA at the time, but a lot of that was due to hating the way it looked initially, then actually being pleasantly surprised by how good the show was. Going back almost 20 years later, I was kind of blown away by how much better the writing, animation and voice acting are not just compared to modern TF, but most modern cartoons in general. And I appreciate the rec. RiD is one of those I've always been curious about, but always slips my mind because I never caught an episode while it was airing.

>>11474257
>it's free of the bayformer influence

Optimus prime is revered as a untouchable deity that cannot do no wrong and mercilessly kills, Prime and RID both do this cyberverse and earthspark took a step back from this

>>11474235
maybe they'll cast attractive women and stop with the ugly niggers

>>11474261

I don't disagree, though as someone that doesn't like those movies, I think Optimus being a psychotic murderer is the most entertaining part of them.

I don't email Hasbro customer care a lot. How are their response times? It's been two days with no response.

>>11474261
Far from it. RID Bumblebee gets the revived OP to fuck off and let him manage his own crew, it's like Rodimus Prime's arc done right.

>>11474259
>>11474262
Athena

>>11474257
>>11474248
>people actually reccomending RID over Prime

What the fuck happened to this fandom

>>11474321
prime sucks
>AAAAAH RAPH HAS DARK ENERGON POISONING WHY DID HE GO WITH BUMBLEBEE DURING A TORNADO ALERT

Beast Wars > Prime > G1 > Animated > everything else

>>11474379

Beast Wars > G1 movie > Animated > G1 > Prime

>>11474379
My balls + your mouth

You do the math.

>>11474379
>Animated is worse than G1
But I keep hearing people love Animated, is it secretly shit or something?

RID Explodin' Balls > Bakugan
it is fact, don't @ me.

>>11474233
>Magnus reissue
My local collector store has had it for a month. They jacked the price from $90 to $110

>>11474233
If BBTS and Pulse ship dates are anything to go by, Magnus might show up in retail by September/October.
Hopefully. Commander classes are always such a pain to try and find secondhand.

>>11474410
None of them are beautiful women in the show like Sireniod or Elfin.

Got Robertcop. Not the biggest Armada fan myself but there's something about this toy I really like, I'm guessing it's just that nostalgic feel it gives me. The blocky car torso, the straighforward transformation and those translucent red windows makes me think of the European G1 toys, my entry point to the franchise.

>>11474409

It's not, there's just a broad contingent of G1 fans who claim their childhood is being raped every time a new TF is released.

>>11474453
Fashion sure changes over the decades.

>>11474456
And this isn't in the instructions, but I just noticed that the weapons can attach to the vehicle's roof for some kind of attack mode.

>>11474456
>>11474464
It's a very good toy. Almost a straight improvement over the original. I will scream in Mark's face for removing the leg kibble's hinges. That mobile surgical table alt was cool as fuck to do with the original.

>>11474453

Red Alert looks great in every photo of him I've seen posted here. I'd totally get him if I wasn't afraid of starting down the dark path of collecting all the figures for yet another piece of TF media.

>>11474451
this

>suddenly gets a $325 Haslab figure
Energon Prime got dabbed on!
>>11474488
Get Flatline then, same mold, great colors, no series to try and collect from.

>Deploy the Snow C.A.T.
I knew it was Joeslop, I was just hoping it wasn't

>>11474488
>dark path
This is supposed to be fun anon. Were having fun, arent we?
>keep staring at pics of the new Sky-Byte
>decide with 100% certainty that I prefer the original
>still want the new one anyway
Why the fuck am I like this? This is supposed to be fun.

>>11474534

I actually have Flatline preordered for that reason lol. And because I like the edgy boys. Since he's technically an IDW creation, I plan on displaying him with Tarn and Stormbringer Bludgeon for a TF
edge lord trifecta.

>>11474543

And I'm sorry. I just know my autism and stepping outside the realm of stuff I usually collect is potentially opening a door I won't be able to close.

>>11474247
You don't have to pick, you're getting both.

One of my favorite things about collecting toys is how they make you notice design elements that you might not have thought about otherwise. I love that this little psycho has two wrist mounted blasters and still needs a hand blaster.

>>11474233
>>11474441
Yea but that's still months away
By the time it drops I'll have waited nearly a year for it

>>11474538
>Imagine finding out Snow Cat is a reference to G.I. Joe and thinking that’s anything but a positive.
You go right on being a miserable cunt. I’ll be over here enjoying one of the most fun toys of its era.

How is it even possible to dislike this alt mode?

>>11474646
can that cockpit fit titan masters?

>>11474645
>never realized at the time this was very real obviously a Joe vehicle
I really have no clue how I missed this back then, but its awesome and I wonder why they didnt do more

>>11474653
it can't open

>>11474645
>>11474646
Energon is such an underrated toyline.

>>11474646
what do you guys think the chances are of this figure getting a straight update in the gi joe transformers collaborative line

Spychangers x real riders anon really inspired me. Ive been gutting my son’s toys for better wheels. This Optimus’ original wheels were trashed. Looks so much better now. Im eventually gonna spring for some staggered ones with rubber tires from ebay and upgrade them all!

>>11474690
>"Missed the 10-20 minute window on Amazon cause you didn't follow the right accounts? tough luck. Time to wait till October"

I hate this

>>11474713
Not one AotP figure has been hard to get, with patience. Give it a bit of time, he will come back in stock and stay in stock for like a month when the wave fully drops.

>>11474715
except for the core class aotp figures. It's like they didn't produce any at all! I can't find them anywhere!

>>11474409
writing and performances are great
creativity is high
but what made transformers cool is that it was approximately anime. Animated is the tooniest one, and while you get used to the aesthetic, it will never not be annoying to someone who really wanted anime to just be ~the thing please~
And every time we get one, it gets canceled.

>>11474746

Ironically, TFA could be extremely anime at times.

https://youtu.be/VgR7anjuVK4?si=GN3-7PPaJ5ABGnAB

>>11474596
technically those are underslung forearm cannons, I don't think you can really call them wrist mounted. It's way less cool and I'm not sure why.

>>11474755
yes, but.. it was decently rare. Much more commonly, AT BEST it was that newfangled wacky wavy nu-gainax kinda stuff.. Which is fine and all, but it's not muh anime.

>>11474760

I know what you mean. I think part of why I love the G1 movie as much as I do is for its 80s anime aesthetic.

>>11474764
and even then, the western artists could only do so much. but they were trying.
I understand why Animated had to exist, but Wyatt could have tried to curtail his style a LITTLE. Like, I've tried drawing simplified, animation-friendly robots before, and I managed to find ways to make joints still read as joints better than he was doing. Animated wasn't still cels, was it?

>>11474767
The whole appeal of Animated was making them of interesting shapes instead of complex mechanical detailing.

>>11474771
if a flat face that is a T window on a weird koala helmet with insistently-blue eyes and a tiny nose with a low mouth and a long chin is 'interesting' to you, then congratulations, you're part of the 2000s "unique silhouette" art movement meme.
the rest of us put looking good first, novelty second.

>>11474772
If you wanted good first, why aren't you watching some serious business mecha show that gets into things like speculative mechanical engineering?

So, my Wreck 'N Doom Spinster vs Topspin just showed up. Topspin's pretty flawless despite being an 8 year old mold. Spinster, on the other hand...is anyone else having trouble getting his bits to tab in properly? Like, his second 'cockpit' doesn't really clip in all the way, and his robot arms refuse to tab into the sides of his chest. I skipped the Siege version of him, so I have no idea if this was a thing with the original version of this mold.

>>11474805
they don't make those anymore. even japan is like "let's see how lanky and bishounen-y we can make gundams" or "let's make a new version of zoids that appeals to tinysmall kids, and they have bugged-out colorful eyes like in those pixar movies!"

>>11474806
>hand...is anyone else having trouble getting his bits to tab in properly? Like, his second 'cockpit' doesn't really clip in all the way
Twist at the hip, not at the thigh

>>11474808
Gundam is human drama about war and psychic magic.

>>11474321
RiD2015 is a well done kids show, Prime is attempting to do a darker show and failing miserably.

>>11474767
> Like, I've tried drawing simplified, animation-friendly robots before, and I managed to find ways to make joints still read as joints better than he was doing
Where do the animated G1 designs have joints?

Transformers mechanical design was never good. But unlike most shows, it focuses on the characters.

>>11474666
Almost no one likes the show, but everyone has favorite Energon figures or designs.

>>11474645
>>11474646
I am begrudging that the announcement is not a new Energon Snow Cat. I don't care for Joe or how ridiculously expensive this new HasLab is.

>>11474825
It looks like you have the original, so it shouldn't be too much of a concern to have a remake.

>>11474689
If we do it'll just be a G1 guy instead. And likely ditch the skiing gimmick.

>>11474809
>Twist at the hip, not at the thigh
That's what she said. No, seriously, that's what my wife suggested when she saw me fiddling with him just now. That did make all the difference with the cockpit, though his arms still don't want to tab in properly - I can live with it, though.

>>11474827
It needs a lot of QoL adjustments.

Nothing pegs in his alt mode, the guns and neck assembly is horrendous, he doesn't come with ski poles, legs don't swivel, and his skis are loose and easy to move out of alignment. It's a good toy, but it could be a lot better with modern engineering.

>>11474822
>Almost no one likes the show
yea the American dub is shit

>>11474839
*Canadian
It was the leafs.

>>11474839
It's not the dub, Superlink is just a bad show.

>>11474842
better than that shitty prime show where it's all serious and Optimus comes saving the day
>AAAAAAH RAPH GOT DARK ENERGON POISONING BECAUSE HE WENT WITH BUMBLEBEE DURING A TORNADO ALERT

>>11474846
prime would be a 1000x better show if June and Optimus fucked

>>11474839
Super Link isn't great either. Being a Japanese show it's story is more interesting and engaging than most American shows, but it's only like 25 episodes of stories across 42 episodes.

>>11474810
we're talking designs, anon. like I said, Animated had good writing and characterizations.
>>11474815
admittedly, they were often omitted. Like I said, G1 guys _did their best_ but it wasn't always good. The fingers, at least, did tend to have better drawn joints than Animated. The feet were more clearly separated from the shins by a cowling, there's space around trhe knees, not a continuous line. The upper shoulder area is beveled from the lower, the pelvis is not flush with the thighs, you get what I'm saying, right?

>>11474846
Weird tangent, but at least Prime has a few good episodes, Superlink has some good designs but the whole show is terrible.

>>11474874
prime spawned a massive tumblr faggot community full of homos and queers so it's not good, it's worse when women get involved in fandom and make it about gay shipping, which energon doesn't have

>>11474878
Energon has a literal gay robot.

>>11474882
oh right American dubs have to insert gay wokeness here and there they can't help themselves can they

>>11474878
Why are you pretending female degenerates haven't been Transformers fans from the start.
>>11474884
Energon did its best to censor Mirage's faggotry, but it couldn't do much about the visuals.

>>11474889
why do Americans need to make everything gay like the idw comics with underage tailgate and cyclonus

>>11474899
You have a strange understand of American.

The next collab will be Star Fox. Specifically because the license is relatively cheap compared to popular Nintendo series.

>>11474899
That wasn't the americans, but the Japanese doing a gay parody character for fun.

I got Vortex from Amazon. He is a backwards retool of Slingshot so Superion has two complete arms for now.

>>11474910
vortex is a gen selects alpha bravo retool as god intended

>>11474910
>He is a backwards retool of Slingshot
Being designed so the combining ports match doesn't make it a retool.

>>11474878
this post glows so hard

>>11474846
You have said this exact spergout near word for word several times
get banned already

>>11474908
I miss japanese humorsexuals.
remember Hard Gay? That shit was hilarious. Nobody was getting strung up, nobody was attacked or protected or 'proud' or had it as their 'identity.' it was just funny.

>AAAAAAAAH RAPH TOOK A JOY RIDE DURING A TORNADO ALERT AND GOT DARK ENERGON POISONING OPTIMUS SAVE US PLEASAAAAAASE

and these faggots say prime has good writing

>>11474910
How is Vortex as a toy outside of combining? The limb mode seems underwhelming.

>>11474947
which faggots
because the guy you quoted thinks it's bad writing

>>11474409
No ending hurts it for one
But the first season also has issue with annoying human villains that seem like Teen Titans rejects. There's a lot of focus on the humans. Also it's a bit too silly for some people

I think Prime did the humans the best in the sense they were barely in it and outside Jacks' mom we never saw or gave a shit about their life outside hanging with the Transformers. They weren't even in the series finale movie at all. Also I kinda liked the few scenes where they did manage to help out like taking out Soundwave in the end.
I just pretend RID doesn't exist since it completely erases and undoes everything Prime did with the characters.

>>11475010
they can't possibly share a universe

>>11475010
>I think Prime did the humans the best in the sense they were barely in it
>AAAAAAAAH RAPH TOOK A JOY RIDE DURING A TORNADO ALERT AND GOT DARK ENERGON POISONING OPTIMUS SAVE US PLEASAAAAAASE

Fuck Prime

>>11475013
did that even happen?
I liked the humans because Jack was a responsible young man with relatable problems, Miko was an adorable idiot who shows why girls need to be protected by huge strong men who are also trucks, and Raf was not a quota-fillingly hispanical eyyy homes you my esse kinda guy, which we were worried he would be. He's just a regular kid.

>>11475020
shut the fuck up, they are tiny children and can't do shit. it's always the same annoying crap in these shows where ants somehow outrun giants. they even end up in space where there is no oxygen. animorphs is the only series to ever use children correctly because they can actually do something and match in power against the aliens

>>11475031
Got them in Singapore

>>11475024
I did not approve of them going to space, i'll agree with you there.

>>11475024
I hate that I agree with this. In G1 I always wanted the humans to eventually become more capable allies. But even up to the very end they were barely even functional sidekicks. Headmasters was way on the right track but then they pulled some random retards to become Headmasters. The already established mains should have rose up to that mission.

>>11474171
The more appropriate question is why post an incomplete Superion?

>>11475061
Well, there was Spike who was pretty much the hero of Rebirth (he also was the one to foil the Quints scheme in Five Faces of Darkness). But you're right. It's kind of weird that Hasbro invented the Nebulans to become the partners of the Masters rather than using humans.

>>11475087
Furthermore they should have been given their own Transformer personas rather than partners. The Pretenders was actually the perfect setup for this.

>Spike should have become Metalhawk
Mind blown.

>>11474169
That phot reminds me why I despise the new combiners. The frame shit is pure fucking bullshit and God help us how it's going to ruin Abominus, Computron, and Piranhacon.

>>11475104
but it's le more stable! who cares that the combiners don't actually combine anymore! I just want le big tooner action figures!

>>11474456
Hotrod? Isn't that supposed to be Bumblebee over Hotrod?

>>11475104
Theres already rumors that Bruticus’ legs arent frame bois, only his upper half. I bet they do Defensor as a frame and move away from it as much as possible after that. Also, thank God you arent being forced to buy them. Its only a shame you wont change your mind until theyre like $500 each and then we’ll have to listen to you lament that you cant have them

>>11475104
>Piranhacon
lol
lmao

>>11475115
Hot Shot is literally called Hot Rod in the original Japanese script. Bumblebee was an unavailable trademark at the time.

Fucked up to think that when they get to the minicons, they'll certainly make Sparkplug, but they'll almost certainly just skip Over-Run. Sparkplug is just a gay little yellow car, Over-Run is a spaceship and gun.

>>11475118
>Theres already rumors that Bruticus’ legs arent frame bois
which would be retarded because it’s the arms that need to not be frames, not the legs

>>11475150
>Sparkplug is just a gay little yellow car
But also a Bumblebee reference and the main Optimus minicon, so it's an easier sell.

>>11475152
>would be retarded
You know one of the arms is Vortex and hes a frame bot, right?

Skybyte was a huge surprise for me.

>>11475010
Barely in it? The humans in prime are a fucking constant, and they're all consistently nauseating (except for fowler) and literally never fucking change

Animated did humans way better. Sari actually had interesting development and made meaningful bonds with the cast. Sumdac actually does important shit that impacts the plot and setting instead of being resolved in a single episode. Fanzone even does the government mediator guy far better than fowler. Prime wishes it had an episode as kino as This Is Why I hate Machines

Yeah, the early human villain filler wasn't the best, but I still enjoyed the later episodes with meltdown, headmaster and powell far more than, fucking... jack arbitrarily going to cybertron, doing jack-shit, and then coming back the same plank of wood to turn optimus back into another plank of wood. God, prime fucking sucked

Huh, Didn't expect a "truck mode".

>>11475204
RODIMUS TRAILER

BLASTER PERSONALITY

BUT ITS FUCKING OPTIMUS PRIME

I HATE COLLABORATIVE SLOP

>>11475204
We knew since the trailer was revealed.

>>11475204
Legs so long nigga could be a gundam

>>11475204
I predicted a truck mode when we first saw it based on the fact it has a trailer with wheels. As for that “truck” …yikes.
>>11475208
>Those colors
>that face
You can just call him blaster if you want

>>11475221
I love it. It's as stupid as gerwalk modes and Rodimus Prime's trailer. Which were both stupid on their own and even better combined. But I love both.

>>11475204
Wait, Basara Prime still has a gun? That's very weird.

>>11475236
why

>>11474947
I saw all of Prime but I dont remember any of it.

>>11474645
>>11474646

How many people are aware this figure isn't actually good?

The vehicle mode literally doesn't secure together. If you pick it up the backhalf made from the legs just swings right back out. The skis don't secure in any position either, and folded up they ruin the knee articulation.

>>11475221
I'll call him blaster when the 3p upgrade kit with a blaster head comes out thank you very much

>>11475238
Basara, the protagonist of Macross 7, hates using weapons, in the entire show he only used the built in weapons on his valkyrie once and he hated himself after. He only wants to move people with his music.

>>11475208
>SLOP

Do you have any other words or do you just yell slop

>>11475159
Is he good?

Aside from Vortex and the last two Constructicons he's the only other figure being released this year that interests me.

>>11475244
what a bizarre thing to do in a mecha series. I know Macross 7 goes in wacky fun places and has a lot of music, but.. you don't just stop solving problems with violence when you pilot a mech. you could move people with music played on a speaker..

>>11475245
thinking is very hard for kids today
basically everything our parents accused us of, it came true a generation later. i dunno why they thought TV and videogames would do this.. but congrats, the kids now don't do either, and they are the zombies you worried about.

>>11475251
Macross has always been weird about idols and music.

I watched the original series and decided I didn't want to watch any more of it.

>>11475204
That fucking Fiveman looking truck mode.

>>11475254
the original wasn't about that!

>>11475257
Fair enough, but Minmay was insufferably stupid.

>>11475245
I don't normally yell slop at transformers I'm actually a pretty big consoomer (except I only buy things that interest me) but this is just a wasted and huge missed opportunity

>>11475204
How bad is the underside of the jet mode?

Also funny they used prime for the macross crossover and didn't do somthing with jetfire/skyfire or at least prime color VF-1

>>11475204
Damn thats stupid. I kinda love how stupid it is but I also like Macross 7 so this does appeal to me.
>>11475236
The VF-19 Basara uses has a gun. It shoots soundpods into the enemy mechs so they have to listen to his song. The one Basara Prime is using has a similar shape, like a cross between Optimus' blaster and the VF-19's gun.

>>11475243
Never happening and even if it did it wont fix his optimus chest. I was just trying to help you out

>>11475258
haha i remember laughing at her..
i should watch all that stuff again
>>11475261
just stop using faggy words. whatever shit you get it from, stop going there. no news, no social media.

>>11475265
Fair, I said no gun when his sound pod blaster is technically one but this looks closer to the ion cannon than his custom gun I barely see the similarity.

>>11475278
I don't see the point in buying the new one, the one retooled from Scourge is perfectly fine.

>>11475280
pornstache trion is a pretty cool design

>>11475208
Man it really just should've been Hot Rod shouldn't it?

>>11475257
Music literally saves them all, granted it's more like it stuns the enemy so they can actually shoot them, and Mimay's pacifist cousin is shown as a completely foolish idealist.

>>11475150
I always liked to consider this guy to basically be a Leader One homage.

>>11475129
>original Japanese
with Armada, arguably the Hasbro names are the original even if the anime was written in Japan. The toy designs and concept came first after all.

>trying to ease back on random bots with july and september having so many pre orders
>suddenly want blue and red cogs as artillary backup for my autobots
Transformers is an addiction

>>11475298
I remember hearing that Superlink also changed some names and made things even more confusing, like Hot Rod now being Hot Shot and the minicon combiner having a new name (from Bumble to Cliff, I'm not even sure if the combiner in that version is the same guy).

>>11475296
this looks kind of amazing.. gobots really knew their shit.
>>11475298
that's.. weird..

>>11475251
>what a bizarre thing to do in a mecha series.
You don't know Macross if you think a pacifistic protagonist is the weirdest thing it has. This is a universe where music magically buffs allies or debuffs enemies.
> you could move people with music played on a speaker..
Funny you say that - they actually make military-grade speaker packs for most VFs in the series, and they literally exist just to broadcast music - not sonic attacks, not ECM jammers, just music usually sung by pop idols. Basara's is no exception (see pic rel), his is just modified to broadcast his performances as he jams out on his guitar in the cockpit.
>>11475236
>>11475265
The Fire Valkyrie is a custom VF-19. The stock version of it, the VF-19 (and its prototype, the YF-19), comes with a gun pod by default, so even if Basara doesn't use his, it still came with one before he modified it. That being said, this guy's gun looks like a black version of Basara's custom sound pod gun rather than the stock gun pod - it's just painted black and has blue plates on it now.
>>11475286
>Man it really just should've been Hot Rod shouldn't it?
Blaster would have been far more fitting, if you knew the character and franchise he's from.

>>11475299

It never ends, man. Just when you think you're satisfied, something else catches your eye or a new round of preorders goes up.

>>11475301
gobots had a lot of good toys and a lot of really bad toys.

It just sucked in everything around the toys too.

also the diaclone toys were more realistic and 'higher quality' with die cast

>>11475257
>the original wasn't about that!
...Uh, yeah it was. Were you watching Macross or the horribly butchered Robotech?

>>11475301
What is bizarre about it? Toy gets designed, you find a name you can sell it under in your market and sounds good to your audience's ear.

>>11475301
>that's.. weird..
Why? Toys used to come first, always, before the movies. The one exception was the 1986movie, and likely Star Saber. Hasbro's input in the 80's seems more vague, but by the 90's they(as kenner) start contributing more in terms of the design process with art.
Hasbro has tight rules bout what they could sell in the market and how they'd organize waves(can't have too many in the same color, can't have too many of the same kind of vehicle, as some considerations).
Hasbro would come up with some ideas and early designs, Takara would figure out how to engineer those designs and tweak it as necessary. Armada in particular is heavy in having Archer's design quirks which are notably different than how Takara was doing TFs at the time(HotShot having a race car driver theme, Demolishor and Cyclonous having kinda doofy ugly guy faces instead of handsome JP mecha)
The UT is the first time we really got a transparent look into the design process and it's probably one of the most in depth looks into the process we've gotten since Archer is still pretty open to discussing the process on record.

>>11475304
I really thought I had it beat it around the time tryp came. I wasnt checking ebay for deals or old figures nearly as much, I knew what was coming down the pipe in terms of pre orders I was happy with. I was pretty happy with my autobots and decepticons knowing what was coming and what would slot im nicely in time and bam, suddenly im waiting for cosmos to go on bargain bin clearance in local stores, contemplating needlenose, and now the two cogs that I previously thought were cheap plasticy looking amalgamations of nothing that even in lore apparently existed as weapon platforms, now suddenly they seem like cool weapon dudes that would fit in the old cartoon with cheesy dialogue over shared name and synchronous attitudes and lines.
>'Cog, cover us'
>he means me, no clearly meant me, you see anyone else called cog around here?'
>'you hit em high'
>'and I'll hit em low!'

>>11475303
yeah but buffs and debuffs and magic are violence tropes. as are robots.
There's always pacifists in mecha shows but they just refuse to pilot the robots. until like, their families die and they learn, oh yeah, pacifism doesn't really fucking work.

>>11475306
both, thank you very much
but neither all the way through. I just remember it being very very dramatic.
>>11475308
>>11475312
not that, I mean western names being applied at the design stage but japan doing the designing, but not keeping the names.

>>11475318
You should probably watch more shows anon. Expand your horizons, you know?

>>11475301
>this looks kind of amazing.. gobots really knew their shit.
The reputation of gobots is really bogged down in the cartoon being rally dated, and the larger toys in the US toyline being bogged down with non-MR toys and some Tonka original toys that weren't as good.
The original Machine Robo toys were designed by PLEX- the people who handle all the sentai and Kamen Rider designs among many other Bandai mecha stuff, so they're all solid little designs, the whole theme of most of the line being pocket robots you could buy for cheap.
There's actually a how-to-draw book that they did that's pretty cool.

>>11475322
macross is on the list for sure, though I might skip to 7 Dynamite since that seems like the best.
Feel free to tell me if I'm gonna miss important context by doing that

>>11475323
that is so kickass.. this would have helped me a lot as a kid.

>>11475320
According to Archer, they're not super precious about the names early on. Name changes between markers are expected- Hasbro's at the mercy of copyright haws and Takara tends to steer to homages

>>11475293
>when you make a character so awful even your own writers hate him
We already had an anti-war message, what did he even add to the show other than a weird incest subplot that goes no where.

>>11475314
On that note, I saw someone here a thread ago saying needlenose was rare/a pain to get
Is that true?

You guys ever play with an extremely dope modern transformers release then stop and think “damn Derrick j Wyatt would’ve reall liked this” for a moment

>>11475323
>and the larger toys in the US toyline being bogged down with non-MR toys and some Tonka original toys that weren't as good.
Which funny enough Machine Robo also did.

>>11475324
Dynamite 7 is the end of Macross 7 anon. You would be missing literally all the context. You'd want to watch the Macross 7 series first, then The Galaxy is Calling Me movie and finally finish with Dynamite 7. Course you want to watch the original Macross series before that and maybe Macross Plus but its not 100% necessary.

>>11475327
SDFM was still sane compared to how the franchise would get, so it was crucial that they made sure to clear up that, while striving for peace was important, plugging your ears and hoping war just went away doens't get anyone anywhere.

>>11475329
No, what a weird thing to think about

>>11475334
I don't hate the post-war episodes but with how the Hikaru/Minmay/Misa triangle regressed back to how it was like 12 episodes prior alongside Kaifun being terrible every time he opens his mouth, I certainly understand why the opinion on them is so divided.

>>11475335
Why’s it weird

>>11475326
i guess when you explain it that way it makes sense..
>>11475327
incest, you say... maybe I should start with 7.

>>11475329
no but I do think things like that about other creators I feel closer to.
Though for the most part, those things suck now, so it's more "I'm glad Stan Lee isn't here to see this"

>>11475341
Stan Lee is peak company man. He would support anything as long as it is the official stance.

>>11475341
I did smile when I sent an email to that one english speaking designer who worked at Takara and he said his favorite transformer is Hound so when they were updating the character for Classics he called dibs so he could make sure the toy was done right.

86 Optimus>Classics = Siege OP>>>>>Earthrise OP>devastation OP

>>11475348
devastation Optimus >>>> MP44

>>11475344
yes, I'm aware..
>>11475346
Kickass. I've always wanted to correspond with folks like that.

>>11475348
How is siege better than earthrise?

Is therw any sort of maintained masterlist of modern knockoffs? Or ways to spot them.
Bit suspicious of some ebayers with wfc stuff but high amounts sold like weaponizers

>>11475352
>Cool cybertronian truck mode
>Better robot mode proportions
>Truck mode actually looks complete and solid
>Doesn't have vestigial parts from the earthrise retool
>Fully painted headsculpt
>Doesn't come with a half-assed box of plastic inflating the price to leader
>If you wanted to get just the robot and not the trailer you had to buy the Netflix one with the muddied up colors
>No buttwheels
>Can form a hover-truck mode by flipping the wheels down
Earthrise OP was the most overhyped chug figure in a long time. The only thing earthrise does better is having more articulation, more paint, no battle damage and a matrix chamber

>>11475159
Mine is arriving Wednesday along with Silverbolt and Star Convoy. I’m most excited for Sky-Byte.

>>11475352
Not the anon you're replying to, but Siege Optimus is TONS better than Earthrise.

The two biggest things Siege Optimus has going for him are proportions and articulation. He has a much better proportioned robot mode, especially since his pelvis isn't squished vertically like ER making it look like he has a perpetual wedgie. And his articulation is so much better since he doesn't have those stupid wheels hanging off the back of his waist, inhibiting your ability to pose him without at least partially untransforming those pieces.

The biggest downside to Siege Optimus are the stupid floodlights on top of his cab in vehicle mode, but it's a small price to pay for a superior figure. Even the little bit of kibble on his forearms is easily forgivable since it's reminiscent of both G1 and Classics Optimus.

Deco-wise, the initial release of Siege Optimus did have that crappy battle damage, but that's super easy to remove if it bothers you enough. Meanwhile, every version of Earthrise Optimus prior to the recent Dramatic Capture three-pack had ugly deco compromises, such as the initial release which lacked yellow in the center of his waist and had difficult to see eyes, and the Netflix version which fixed both those problems but then was stuck with greenish-gray windows on his chest instead. There was no winning with it!

And best of all, at the end of the day, Siege Optimus is just a much more fun toy to play with, in my opinion. He's got strong proportions, great articulation, and a satisfying transformation, which all more than makes up for his floodlights. Meanwhile, there's nothing Earthrise Optimus does better in these areas to make up for his drawbacks.

>>11475355
>cybertronian truck mode
that makes it worse by default

>>11475353
Power of the Primes is the last series that got widespread bootlegs. Even then it was only a select few figures. Siege stuff should be good to go. The best rule of thumb is simply not to buy anything from China.

>>11475375
Yep, most bootlegs these days use different packing, or are upscale. The only recent figure that could have issues is the ROTB Optimus, but the KO's are easy to spot.

Weird question. Anyone ever had transluscent part rub off? Not blast effects but windows.
>gently cleaning up an ebay purchase of an old bot
>damp cotton swabs, dried right after with dry ones section by section
>finish it off
>set it down spread out on a warm morning to do that last bit of drying
>take a dry q-tip or whatever to pins, joints, springs, metal etc just to be sure those are as dry as I can get them if they got wet
>swab the deep red, almost burgandy windows
>tiniest bit of red on the cotton

>>11475353
If you see Prime Wars era toys at clearance prices online still, those are probably it. You might still want to get them anyway. That period's Vietnam factories were still starting out and had abysmal QC, meanwhile the KOs were made in China that effortlessly have better QC even with the trashiest of KOs, so they end up matching up.

>>11475375
Siege Cog was the last KO that fully copied the packaging including Hasbro trademarks. You can identify it from this one rectangular detail in pic. The original's asymmetrical

>>11475413
This is the one that had me worried, and the one I wanted. The giveaway, like you said, is the peg or lackthereof, as well as the lack of silvery scratches on his forearms. I scoured the tfw forums about it.
BUT
I checked on aliexpress to compare it to an ebay find to see if I could confirm for myself that the ebay one was good, to my horror I discovered a clearly listed KO had a review, with photos, stacked up against what he claimed was a real one and both had the shoulder peg, with the defining giveaway being a different shade/tone of blue. So now I have now idea what to think.

>>11475419
No idea*
That being said, the guy on tfw that really explored it thought he KO was actually superior on some ways to the real thing, short of weapon pegs and something about the feel of the plastic

>>11475420
In* pleaseru forgiveru phoneposting

>>11475407
Oh yeah, i would NOT do that for clear parts. Clear stuff (when it is painted, which it almost never is), like chrome, gets a special kind of clear coating, which is infamous for flaking off. It's why clear parts are typically cast in the clear color instead of having translucent paint (that, and because the law of whatever says that you lose some brightness every time you add another transparent filter, no matter how much light it lets through, it's still subtracting a little)

>>11475419
How cheap is it? I'd get it if it is under 10USD. I got it to replace my 3pack Aragorn's 2 right arms. Quality's alright just loose in some places, nothing you can't fix. Worth it especially if you're just using for as a weapon pack.

>>11475407
YES massively. I bought an original Burning Convoy back in 2010 and that shit was leaking red everywhere.

>>11475303
>if you knew the character and franchise he's from.

Hell almost you need to know is both are red yellow and play music

>>11475298
>arguably the Hasbro names are the original even if the anime was written in Japan.
WRONG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eb7DrK1KqQ

>>11475300
It's not that much confusing, returning characters got half of their names changed when they got a new body

Same tactic was used in JG1, Broadcast (Blaster) into Twincast, Megazarak (Scorponok) into Black Zarak, Sixshot into Greatshot...

Tho I agree that I don't know if Micron Densetsu Bumble is the same as Superlink Cliffjumper, both got G1 Minibot names.... and that's it

>>11475375
Hmm... Found any bootlegs of the Throne of the Primes Prime Masters?

>tempted by fort max offer
>watch a review
>alt mode is just him having a nap
That's a shame, not a lot of transforming in him
>normie version doesnt even have the sword

>>11475447
the host in that link is insufferable

>>11475458
Bootlegs skipped the TM vehicles, Pretenders and Targetmasters altogether

>>11475458
Wait do you mean the SDCC set with monkey man kangz? There was recast of those sold with a 3D printed ring holder, I think it was by ZX studio

>>11474464
>but I just noticed that the weapons can attach to the vehicle's roof for some kind of attack mode.
It's for the Flatline retool so he can have the pair of guns on his back he usually had in the comics.

>>11475479
Which exist because they envision him as a reuse of T30 Trailbreaker.

>Jeffrey Combs is in Prime
>Prime also has an evil doctor in the form of Knock Out
>Jeffrey Combs voices Ratchet instead of the evil Decepticon doctor

I'm liking his Ratchet and Daran Norris as Knock Out, but Combs has such an inherently evil sounding voice that this feels like such a missed opportunity.

>>11475479
>FLATline
>But retooled from a big busty mold with mommy thighs
the irony

Breaking News: Decepticons to assist in the bombing of Iran
Early reports say no one even asked them to.
Lucky dreadwind find all cleaned up and ready to join the 'cons properly now

>>11475479
>>11475502
Fuck idw

>>11475506
isn't it "fuck skybound" now?

>>11475479
Yeah, after posting that people mentioned Flatline, I looked at pics of him and saw the weapons there. Makes sense.

>>11475507
Skybound hasn't hit the lows of IDW yet.

>>11475298
Explain why it says "Ratchet" there then >>11474467

>>11474874
Super link/energon is great you’re retarded
>>11474878
oh like you haven’t shipped the robots together to be gay? It’s a society that’s like 90% male, they’re all gay so I’m going to continue making yaoi and kicker is the whiniest bottom of all

>>11475328
Looking at sold eBay listing for the past month he averages around $60 but ranges from $40-100. Plenty of listings, so he’s not rare, but obviously he’s also not worth those prices.

>>11475514
Let's call it. Which are we getting first: Trump allegory, free Palestine, BLM stand in, incel/chud, or TRANNY (free space).

>>11475552

>Trump allegory

Is it really the fault of the comic or any piece of media if the actions of their over the top cartoon supervillain happen to mirror those of the one currently in office?

>>11475518
>oh you haven't shipped the robots together with fanfic

I'm not a woman you fucking faggot fembrained zoomer

>>11475204
I'm not in love with it, but I like how it feels like a Unicron Trilogy era design.

>>11475204
The "Trailer" should've been a launch platform

>>11475578
And then it flips over to become the stage?
I guess that goes along with the big Mic Sounders eyes I saw on the prototype

>>11475580
Macross 7 would be a way better show if Basara's personality was closer to Boom Robo Mic Sounders instead of being so autistic.

Does anyone know the name of a certain line of chibi transformers from around 2008-2012 that were based on G1 and are similar to the Defenders line but were not as poseable? I use to have a Megatron from that line and always liked the way it looked even if there are better options now.

>>11475591
Static figures?

>>11475591
If they transformed, prolly ChoroQ, if not, prolly Myclone. Those are the only things that come to mind

>>11475594
Yes those were the ones thank you! I kept trying to look up keywords and came back with nothing

>>11475584
You just need to listen to his song dude.

>>11475612
I did. A million times. They repeat Planet Dance so much that I actually started getting fed up with it, and I don't dislike the song at all.

And Hasbro fucks up yet again.

>>11475627
I think it's really cool Transformers is celebrating its 40th anniversary by releasing the 40th redeco of this Sideswipe mold.

>>11475323
>There's actually a how-to-draw book that they did that's pretty cool.
Oh shit, I might have to pick that up, looks like a nifty little book! Reminds me how in the sea of bargain bin How To Draw Manga books out there you get occasional gold like the one co-authored by the Doremi guy.

>>11475627
>Grey face
Trash.

>>11475447
>Sideways was the 3rd pick name
>Doublecross was almost over it
Glad they did what they did, would have been too one the nose.

Can we get a reissue of this guy with plastic that isn't fucked?

>>11475665
Wouldn't SG "fans" want a redeco of Cybertron scream instead?

>>11475667
I sure would.

>>11475662
Ironically it could have worked. The character could call himself Cross, then reveal his name as Doublecross after switching sides, the same deal with punch/counterpunch and Dealer/Doubledealer.

>>11475662
>>11475717
Meanwhile in Japan he was called Doubleface. Because fuck subtlety.
I guess it can work as Face and Doubleface too.

>>11475159
The positioning makes it look like he's getting railed by Grimlock.

>>11475665
I've had this guy boxed up in my closet for a couple of years now. I'm afraid to go look at him.

I managed to get a SS86 Ratchet with substandard packaging from BBTS. His left shoulder is annoyingly loose, but I suppose it's still better than paying the late tax on him somewhere else.

>>11475447
>0:48-choice 1 was going to be Hot shot
You proved my point if anything. Hasbro initiates the plans and early sketches, Takara engineered them

>>11475447
the thing is for the first few most of Armada co-development, Hasbro and Takara both understood the names they would pick were gonna be different in some ways so they just designated them as their alt modes till they settled on names.

>>11475752
Seems to me that being a collaboration where names are undecided for a while and both sides do their own thing, there's not a clear answer for witch names came first. There's proof in this very thread that Red Alert design was being worked in Japan under the name of Ratchet, for example. So they already decided on a different name even before the toy was produced.

Easiest way to see this is that both the Japanese and American names coexisted during development. Most probably some of them got decided in Japan first as the American side flip-floped, and some others got their American names from the start. That's the thing with co-productions, things are happening and moving simultaneously. There's not a clear answer.

>>11475767
>There's proof in this very thread that Red Alert design was being worked in Japan under the name of Ratchet, for example. So they already decided on a different name even before the toy was produced.
The first of the process would've been an idea($20 price point ambulance toy, for example) with likely some art produced for it on Hasbro's end. The Japanese art is control art based on those ideas that they engineered.
I do get that they weren't particularly set on most names, it's more that I think defaulting to the JP names just because of the anime is wrong given how the process worked.The anime were adapting existing designs. I also think a lot of people put stake into those names more than Takara actually did given they were working off Hasbro ideas. With the red Alert/Ratchet example, there's no reason to think the original Hasbro work was ever to have him be Ratchet, Takara just decided along the line to name an ambulance robot after an existing one.
With something like the JP original anime where Hasbro wasn't involved, I'm all for those characters using their original Japanese names. Like Car Robots over Robots in Disguise, Fire Convoy over Optimus Prime, etc.

>>11475791
>With the red Alert/Ratchet example, there's no reason to think the original Hasbro work was ever to have him be Ratchet
In this case in particular is also possible they were unable to get the license, it's well known they had trouble with it until they came up with the "Autobot Ratchet" thing in the 2007 movie and Animated. The Hasbro side was more limited by licensing than Takara in that regard.

>Star Convoy finally arrived.
>Left arm is busted from the transformation hinge.
Fucking hell.

>>11475618
>get tickets to concert
>Planet Dance is the opening act
>Minmei's "Stagefright" is the follow up

>>11475627
>>11475658
Funniest thing to me is the painted "headlights" shape that the Devastation model had because the Classics toy had them. These new decos are the result of design inbreeding.

if hastak made a studio series tfone cybertronic deer would you buy it

>writes a review of every figure they get
>”our copy”
This is obsession with humble bragging that they have a “partner” has to be one of the lowkey most annoying things I see on a daily basis. You and your gay boyfriend cant afford your own toys wow we get it. Fags out here speaking like Venom

>>11475812
Show us

>>11475748
>loose shoulder
Common issue. He and Ironhide both have a bunch of random tolerance issues all over the figure that vary from figure to figure. I think mine’s right shoulder hinge is nearly floppy. I cant check because I only touch the newest five of my thousand figures the rest just collect dust for eternity

>>11475738
Do it

>>11475850
Butthurt into vague posting on 4chan is a behavior I've never understood

Fiddling with Star Convoy and so far, I like it, but I have some issues with it:

-Several connections are tabs, with no other reinforcement, like pegs, so if any are damage, you won't be able to transform it properly.
-Connection between the Micro Trailer and the leg is bizarre. I'm not sure why they didn't just use pegs, it's not hard to remove but it's not pleasant either.
-Hot Rod looks neat, but has poor articulation. He's barely more articulated than a micro master despite being core class, and he's too big to interact with Star Convoy properly.

I'm not going to elaborate between the features of the og and the new version, but I will say that it's surprising how the micro trailer kept the side connectors since they're only relevant if they ever make a Sky Garry and make more mixro trailers. They also added a second connector on the back so one micro trailer can haul another.

>>11475859
Also, hot damn does he look good with painted eyes. I found some brushes and paint that must that been hidden in a closet for years and the whole thing turned out great.

>>11475859
>make more micro trailers

I hope they're going to pull a core class revival out of their ass but it's deluxe priced core class bots with micro trailers and weapons. it'll never happen. but I'd like to cope.

>>11475627
How do they keep using the wrong head?

>>11475948
They did seem to prepare for more releases. The micro trailer has one extra connector not used on Star Convoy. The front section where the cab connects to has an additional gap below that's meant for something to tab in. Not sure if it's for Grandus or another figure in the future.

>>11475957
they probably will finish off the modern return of convoy lineup with modern titan sky Garry and maybe commander grandus eventually but I wonder how the fuck they're going to pull off grandus. he's just a hollow cube. where do you add the articulation.

>>11475960 (me)
but anyway, micronus prime shows us they have the 'make a small figure and add some extra gimmick bits to bump it up to deluxe' card in their playbook. I just hope that it gets used more, although it's probably not that likely with cyberworld seemingly filling the 'small toys with playsets' niche that hasbro always aims to have.

>>11475960
It's possible, but he'd still have stumpy legs:

-legs still open up, the knee section opens, with the ratchet joints being on both sides of the knee, not through it. Thick thighs will have both the knee swivel and hip ratchets
-Gets waist articulation, and while the pelvis area no longer has a section on it the torso is on a slider so it can lock by turning it all the eay to the side, then sliding it into a second space for the waist joint, then locking it by twisting it back into position. Meanwhile, the pelvis has a foldout feature so it can take the front of the torso all the way to the floor. The detachable section of the torso has a small fold out swivel that can be connected to the pelvis, and you detachable this whole section before moving the torso for base mode.

>>11475920
He does look nicer.

>>11475976
They really should've painted that gray head crest

Thoughts on crossover-formers?

>>11475984
Some good, some bad. Some coasting by entirely on "IT'S BRAND YOU LOVE BRAND BUY BRAND" but some of them really do have love and effort put into them.

>>11475984
agent knight is the only one I got and besides the shitty shoulders they're a damn solid figure, just a voyager car bot with lights and sounds.

>>11475987
agent knight should have had a partner figure. You can almost fit a titan master inside the seat (in proper sitting position anyway, you can fully fit one if you lay them down sideways). Having an official David Hasselhoff figure would be really funny.

>>11475985
I recently got back into Transformers with a Soundwave vinyl, and later I recently got the Sanic Crossover figs (Tails is ugly, but as Tornado he's cool, Sonic is fine). So I was curious because the Prequel Starwars were the only other cross-over ones I remembered.

I wish we had a Death Robo/Mecha-Metal Sonic instead, but for a Sonic it could've been worse.

>>11475989
the sonic figures just came out like, last month. so, we are probably getting a metal sonic collab eventually if these sonic figures sell well.

I'm hoping that whenever they inevitably do the death egg robot it has a removable egg mobile setup. I'm thinking like, death egg robot that transforms into the drill vehicle from sonic 2 emerald hill, you remove and re-insert the egg mobile sort of like a titan master

>>11475992
Honestly, with how humanoid and reference heavy Eggman's mechs are, the execution should be a no brainer. Be it Drill-Car or Ball and Chain mobile doubling as a flail, there's a lot there. I just hope other characters aren't just Kart Racer fodder, Atleast we got another interesting rendition of Tornado.

Side-note, rec. me a good Shockwave, doesn't have to be an early gen either.

>>11475995
>sidenote

wfc siege shockwave no contest. comic edition version of that mold if you want a lighter purple and more paint. it's just a near perfect shockwave but it isn't MP scale if you collect those.

>>11476001
>11"
Big Boi, that's definitely a Desk trophy. As for color, he doesn't have to be sharp purple, I purely care about the mold/design more than vibrancy. Though while looking, the WFC Star Scream is perfect in both mold and colors, so thanks for that. I love my Jet-asshole.

>>11476007
if you want just a 'cute' small shockwave to mess around with you could try either of the core class ones, there's a G1 one and a bumblebee movie one. if you want another big option there's a bayverse leader class shockwave figure that came out recently.

>>11476007
also, the wfc EARTHRISE(or studio series 86) starscream mold is basically just a 2006 deluxe figure upscaled to voyager height and given ankle tilts. it's still decent but it's worth noting.

>>11476015
Oh shit, thanks for pipeline.

>>11476021
yeah the '''recent''' (lol) war for cybertron/legacy lines have some AMAZING figure updates. any version of the modern sideswipe mold is really good ("current' releases: Armada wheeljack, Target mtmte devastation sideswipe)

also legacy/retro gears is one of the best deluxe class figures released in the past few years. maybe ever. double joints on both elbows and knees, shoulder butterfly joints, wrist/waist articulation, fun transformation, and a reference to gears one spotlight episode. and the best part? hasbro is just shelfwarning this figure at Walmart.

Can someone post the frame of the 86 movie with Megatron redrawn as a tank

>>11476021
If you're going to get an Arcee, skip that one. You either want the Generations/Legends one (with its giant bodacious hips and thighs), or the Studio Series one (a retool of it, with less thigh.

>>11475984
they're getting better than they used to be
but i'm not getting the naruto ones without a pretty heavy discount. maybe if the kitsune was more classic anime and less.. weird 2000s anime.

>>11476025
>>11476031
Thanks, and-
>giant bodacious hips
oh my

86 Arcee is one of the best Transformers figures

>>11476021
I love how this mold was such dogshit that Hasbro backtracked and just reused the older one instead

>>11476045
It's a decent enough Action Master.

>>11476039
Honestly, I like the face on this the most.

Really hoping the guitar included with Basara Prime doesn't use a rubbery plastic strap. Newest image shows a hinge so I really hope it's hard.

>>11475956
I hadn't even noticed until you pointed it out. That's dumb. Hasbro are dumb.

>>11475956
Lol oof

>>11476090
I thought exactly the same when I saw that pic.

>>11476090
>looks at picture
It’s definitely rubberized

>got star optimus prime today
>they just slapped a shipping label on his box and shipped him as is
Fuck you too amazon. Tempted to send him back as they have no real customer service. Don't feel liking calling a bickering with a call center in india.

>>11476231
At least you got your package. My Amazon order has been out for delivery since 10am and still hasn’t shown up at 7pm. To top it off my ol lady took a 3 hour nap which was a giant window that was missed in which to recover said package without having to hear her shit

is it worth getting any of those air lock pathetic micromaster bases to work with star Convoy? do any of them look good with him? I'd imagine there's a style clash.

>>11476243
Nah, they didn't even bother to make 3 unique base molds, and while I like the two molds they made, they aren't that great as far as figures go.

>>11476234
I know this feel. Packaged ended up at a neighbors house who was away for a couple days and brought it over when he got back.

>>11476256
would it be better to just get some weaponizer/junkion/armorizers and make bases out of those 5mm messes

>>11475665
Fuck a reissue, give me the Cybertron redeco like >>11475667 says so he can have his proper body.

>>11475859
>it's surprising how the micro trailer kept the side connectors since they're only relevant if they ever make a Sky Garry and make more mixro trailers.
They're still relevant to base mode - you use them to connect the trailer to the side of Prime's legs area.

>>11476231
i don't mean to belittle anyone's issues, but I feel like most of us are massively fooling ourselves with our expecations of things in 2025.
we're like complaining there's a fly in our soup and we live in africa where flies crawl on people's eyes

>>11474644
>Yea but that's still months away
>By the time it drops I'll have waited nearly a year for it

Perhaps but at least you'll pay the base price for it and not get scalped.

>>11475748
>I managed to get a SS86 Ratchet with substandard packaging from BBTS. His left shoulder is annoyingly loose, but I suppose it's still better than paying the late tax on him somewhere else.

Floor polish will help with that. My SS86 Ironhide came with loose hips and coating the mushroom pegs with it fixed the hips right up.

Painting my IF Jetfire. Give me some color scheme ideas (SG already exists)

>>11475960
Make his thighs fold backwards and collapse into his upper leg, then have his chestplate on a large slide armature that allows it to fold down in front of his open legs.

I still want him to be able to become armor for Star Convoy. If they turned him into a gigantic weaponizer to facilitate modern joints and multiple modes I wouldn't be too upset. Same with Sky Garry, but he would work fine as a Commander.

>>11475984
>Thoughts on crossover-formers?
Some are better than others; I find the ones that you can kinda-sorta argue fit into the universes they're supposed to be from to be among the better ones (like Agent Knight literally just being K.I.T.T. with the next logical upgrade to his form, or Mando Bot here being a giant droid modeled after a Mandalorian rather than being literally Djinn Jardin).
On the note of the Mandalorian one, specifically, he's one of my favorites and is easily the best Star Wars crossover character they've ever done - he doesn't look too horribly disproportional in robot mode like past ones, the fact that he's got a visored helmet instead of an actual character's face makes it easier to buy that he's a robot and not some unholy abomination, and he's got a lot of nice little details that are callbacks to the show built into him. The one issue I have is that his Grogu Pod is a mandatory partsforming piece, as you can't transform him into robot mode without removing it and his vehicle mode is missing its entire back half if you put it aside entirely. It's still fun if you can find a little critter to put in it, though, and I like that his stand transforms a few ways as well, either holding up the Grogu Pod or by becoming a big shield with his Mudhorn emblem on it.

>>11476310
Well, the first idea that comes to mind is...for you to post this over in the 3rd Party general, since Iron Factory stuff doesn't belong here.

>>11476032
Honestly, Toad dad being a mini and the 9-tails being on the chest is cool to me. But I wish they were more 'mechanized' to fit in. But I agree, I would on a sale, but I'm not craving it.
>>11476332
I had the X Wing one years ago, and it was 'fine'. I think I liked it more than my Obi-wan for that reason, plus Obi-wan was stiff to articulate and was just ugly.

Surprised there's no Gundam crossovers.

>>11475506
Well... I mean... he was originally a movie comic character, long before idw turned into the insert random progressive social issue into giant alien battle robot comic company.

>>11476340
>the 9-tails being on the chest
what? the head's on the chest.
did you mean 'the 9-tailed-fox's head is on the chest' ? because of course it is. it's a cheetor retool. which i'm only now realizing has kinda small thighs.

gundam crossover would be hard to pull off without seeming pointless. but hey, macross and zoids crossovers, so anything's possible.

>>11474878
nigger that's idw, prime was normal

>>11476310
wrong bread but you should make him look like macross skull valkyrie

>>11474947
why, of all things, is this innocuous plot point what you latch onto? If you want to rip on the show, rip on how season 3 did shit like dismantling Starscream's character, not whatever shit got your panties in a knicker

>>11475187
>Sari actually had interesting development
I love animated, but not really. A lot of plot points were her making the same stupid mistakes over and over again, despite saying she'd learn. Pre transformation she was like that a lot

>>11476353
I mean, it's a troll.. why would you expect logic

>>11475984
part of my issue is that the only ones I'm interested in tend to be ones based on Japanese series, like Rathalos and the Liger, but they're also ludicrously expensive

>>11476001
I can concur with this anon, he's a good Shockwave. I ended up getting the comic edition, and the only real difference is that he doesn't come with a lot of the bonus armor Siege does, and his box will tempt you to get the other comic dudes

>>11476370
i'm just trying to let go of everything. it'd be great if we all died. Not just you or just me though, fuck that.

>>11476001
I've got comic edition and Dramatic Capture
They both look great but I still don't own a version with al the armor

>>11475665
I hope we get a jihaxus reissue maybe in a new colors scheme. Some of the white parts on him became piss yellow.

>>11476403

Comic Shockwave looks nice. I thought about picking him up, but he finally sold out on Pulse. Probably better for me to wait for the 86 Studio Series anyway though.

>>11476409
imagine if we get a g2 jhiaxus release that slathers him in neon cyan plastic like a fake g2 deco for an already g2 character

>bored, browsing tfw
>stumble upon Motormaster thread
>reminded there is a very common breakage issue with his shoulders
>check mine
>its broken
Damnit.

>>11476455
I had the same happen with Legacy Blitzwing and the little wings.

>>11476347
Do Gundam have vehicles that would warrant making them 'transform'?

>>11476481
There's a whole subset of transforming ms. The issue is, how do you make the RX 78 look good as a truck? Do you mix in the G Fighter?

>>11476481
actually yes, the original gundam was modular, the inner cockpit and life support unit could pop out from the torso (the body splitting into two halves, a little awkwardly) and then transform into a jet. the concept gets brought back a bunch of ways, notably all the G Gundam ones have a pod that flies into the back of the gundam and inserts itself.. sometimes carrying the gundam's wings or back accessories with it, if any.

>get Silverbolt
>wow this box is heavy
>open it
>70 fucking percent of the weight is the extra part
I dont hate frame combiners, I hate the fact that none of this is integrated into the base figure. Im suddenly reconsidering selling off all my Combiner Wars. For every bad thing CW has going on they definitely did some things far better than this. It’s absolutely insane how much of this set is not Silverbolt. Especially when Superion’s head is right there, just hanging off the bottom of the jet. Disgusting.

>>11476509
do the frames at least do something? form a trailer? a base accessory?

>>11476529
The turn the Concorde into a space plane.

>>11476529
NTA, but Silverbolt's frame is supposed to form a "trailer" for his jet mode that kinda makes him into a spaceship of some kind, and a firing emplacement in robot mode.

>>11476540
that's something at least. i'm okay with vehicle mode accessories as long as they do one other thing. and becoming combiner parts is okay..
but obviously it is another in a long line of failed attempts to "make the original character" because that task is impossible.
>>11476543
okay... yeah that's not great but it's not terrible. given how hard jetformers are to make in the first place, iunno, i'd tolerate it if i really cared about this character I guess, or maybe that would be what stops me from enjoying it.
Wow so they did the window shins thing AGAIN huh

>>11476545
I mean the concorde is a pretty goddamn hard plane to turn into a transformer and especially a combiner frame. the proportions are just very rough to work with.

Why is there so much paint on this fuckin thing lol. Took me two hours just to rub off his crotch.

>>11476567
>Took me two hours just to rub off his crotch.
That's quite a bit of stamina he's got there if it took you two whole hours.

>>11476568
He Staks up. A real "super" Go-bot.

Penis.

>>11476567
Okay, but why?

Seeing reviews for Star Optimus before I got mine I wonder if I got perfect qc, or if the reviewers just suck at transforming/playing with figures:

-I saw complaints about the small trailer getting stuck inside the leg, and mine works just fine on both, the hatch also opens while inside the leg just fine and the leg also closes as intended
-the tread unit never falls out, you need to use the clips and pegs to lock it in.
-Chest opens and closes just fine, you only need to exert downward force at the very top of the chest when closing it and it tabs in immediately.

Reminds me how people complained about Legacy Dreadwing and Skyquake not being able to stand when you only needed to do the transformation correctly and transform the heels properly.

i have an itch to get all the Wild Docking + ROTB mainline toys just to match the Cybertron BW Primal and Megs I still have from 10+ years ago
https://x.com/D98288708/status/1940391440661827694

>>11476583
>I wonder if I got perfect qc
Check if the chest windows upper corners are inserted correctly, that seems to be a common minor issue that can easily be fixed.

>>11475752
look past your timestamp
>if hotshot hadn't cleared the legal team would have searched Wheeljack and if Wheeljack wouldn't have cleared, they would have searched Hotwire
Good for them Hot Shot was available right off the bat because of them naming a character like it in RID

Sideways initial name was Ravage... if their trademark shenanigans where they had to name every Ravage toy at that time Battle Ravage never took place, imagine that

Same with Tidal-wave being Shockwave, tho this one is funny because it slipped to be heard in the US dub

& considering their handling of inconsistency for Energon, I do not put them being the lead of these animes whatsoever

>>11476580
Looks like they're making some GoBot custom or something.

So, vietnam deal is done.
20% tariff, which is well below the 30% that was causing the freakout.
In exchange, us companies (hasbro) now have full access to vietnams market, meaning they can sell things there even if it wasn't produced there. That means they can move their production out of vietnam and still sell to vietnam.

With a similar deal likely landing on china in a month, hasbro should more than be able to eat the costs, especially with the US economy thriving as of late.
The real question is: will they shift manufacturing out of vietnam, if so: where? And will it improve or worsen the qa for transformers we've seen take a dive ever since the vietnam move

>>11476580
Compulsion. Staks is a Super Gobot that looks like a robot without a head. When Hasbro did spin-off stories and couldn't use the original toy or the cartoon designs for Gobots, they opted to have those characters as fictional redecos of existing toys. Staks in this image is Combiner Wars Prime with the head still untransformed. CW Prime sucks and I don't wanna pay $30 for it, so I chose a PotP Optimus I had laying around instead. Gave him a couple of Soundwave's extra guns as smokestacks and I plan on touching it up with some orange stripes later.

>>11476823
I actually have a backlog of conversions. Obviously some will be easier than others, but I've painted enough miniatures to have confidence in doing it.
>Legacy Scrapheap / Cy-kill
>Legacy Dragstrip / Turbo
>CW Groove / Scooter
>GS Sandstorm / Fi-tor
>Maverick collab / Sky-Jack
>Legends Overcharge / Leader-1

Looking back its kind of insane that we went from Hunt for the Decepticons to AOE quality in just 4 years, then another 2 to drop to combiner wars.

>No Mighty Morphin x Transformers collab
It's RIGHT THERE

>Superion head barely stows away properly, chest hates closing all the way, something the CW figure pulled off just fine
>fleck of black plastic embedded in his chest (my biggest pet peeve)
>entire chest plate is scuffed up
>waist articulation is hindered to the point of barely existing. Oh wait, gotta fold up his tail fin that feels like it wants to snap off instead of folding
>hideous black boxes for feet
>ugly shade of gray
>1/2 the size he should be, the rest is a useless plastic brick
Wow, surprise, another mid-ass release, leaving me unfulfilled, just like nearly every figure for the last 6 years.

>>11476914
They have no fucking excuse because of how much they cheat with the frame. Even 3P legends did a better Silverbolt.

That reminds me my Agent Knight came with a piece of plastic embedded in his window. This shit drives me nuts and Im pissed I never replaced it. It also came all scuffed up from the factory just like Silverbolt

Nothing new from Hasbroke.
>crack open a 1994 Spychanger
>it’s covered in factory paint defects
Hey at least I realized my childhood copy wasnt abused and it just looked like shit straight out of the package

Ever see a bot in listings, think little of it or nah, then see it in a store reduced a few money units, dwell on it then bring it home?
Derpiest jobber but why not

41 years they have been making these toys and its still almost impossible to get one that doesnt have defects on its face

>>11476914
This nigga bought Silverbolt
This nigga bought Silverbolt at full price
This nigga is complaining about being unhappy with his last 6 years of purchases
Dumbest poster on this board

>>11476939
I nearly shed a tear…wait, it was actually just another paint defect

Motormaster, more like Bitchmaster

When is G2 Wildrider? They teased him back in January

>>11476963
>passed on both of the G2 arm bots under $10 each
I do be regretting that. Being broke sucks.
>never saw G2 Breakdown at retail. Not even once. Only collector shops
Weird

>>11476963
>took them 3 years to release Menasor
>still havent finished the G2 version with no completed figure in sight, nearly 5 years down the road
Ive said it before and Ill say it again they really need to just dedicate an entire wave to each combiner. It would end all the pain. Im sick of collecting these things being so excruciating

>>11476310
>this is going to be my SG since Hasbro is too retarded to reissue him
PAIN
>>11476455
True, only toy deco was safe from it. Hopefully g2 will use that mold version.

>>11476963
>>11476972
Possibly we will get Motormaster in GS next year. So Wildrider might come in 2026.

>>11476980
>toy deco
Did they actually fix the mold? I knew I should’ve grabbed that thing

>>11476340
I wanted this set until I saw it in person. They look like they belong at 5Below. Cheap ass bullshit

>>11475853
>>11476296

Appreciate the advice guys. I was actually able to fix it by running some hot water over the shoulder and pressing the pin in a little. It's still a bit loose, but it's not flapping around with the slightest movement anymore and will hold the positions I need it to.

>>11476980
So you have thr TNT oversize of Iron Factory? You could always get the Vincoroor oversize of the commander class too.

>>11476933
This is a chonky lad

>>11476902

Toys like Magmatron make me even more pissed off we didn't get better zords from Hasbro. And while expecting anything PR related from Hasbro is probably a mistake, I too would welcome a collab.

>>11476403
>but I still don't own a version with al the armor
I always regret not buying it. I think it was the last time hasbro actually released something that looked like a fun toy, instead of pandering to retarded tooners who don't even like toys.

>>11476933
>>11476998

Hell yeah, I got Cosmos this week too after going back and forth on him for months. Love this adorable little fat fuck.

How do you make a .webm? Im about to smash my whole collection room with a hammer and I want to post it here

>>11477005
I love my Galactic Man, and yeah, the armor is awesome. It's funny, though - I remember when Siege first came out, all people did was complain about all the "junk" he and his normal colored version came with. Hell, there were people here lauding the Comic and Dramatic Capture releases specifically because they ditched the armor, which baffled me - like, how is coming with a bunch of optional parts ever a bad thing, especially for the price he had been going for at the time of release? Whatever the case, I certainly never regretted that purchase.

>>11477016
Film in MP4 then convert it

>>11477014
Based, I was doing the same and he kept growing on me, to the point waiting for deep clearance seemed aways off and 20 was good, finally just went for it in the physical store I found them. I didnt give him enough respect though, his transformation is really funky and different, genuinely didnt expect it

>>11477016
But why?

>>11477026
How else am I going to melt them all down into a gigantic ball of plastic and ship it back to Hasbro

>>11477026

Because he's going through a spiritual crisis that's going to make him do something he eventually regrets.

>>11477033

Hey, I didn't know Mike Stoklasa hung out in these threads.

>>11477033
>giving hasbro free plastic they'll just recycle back out into the market and profit from
Either box them up and store them out of sight if you're upset, or sell them. Starve the beast dont feed it. Please dont hurt your toys anon
>>11477034
I hope he doesnt, hurting toys and breaking toys upsets me, and it'll upset him too later down the line

thinking about Armada Sideways again

How's Cannonball? Local nerd store got one in stock and I've always thought he looks neat, but I'm not huge on Skids mold.

I got these two in anticipation of Venin. I like Chop Shop a lot and Barrage is alright too. Sadly, Ransack ain't happening unless he gets a single release, because he's stupid hard to find and stupid expensive.

>>11477034
>>11477038
Thanks anons, you talked me down

>>11477067

Also, this little guy better not lead to me buying Solus...

>>11477079
I love that little guy, got lucky with him and his blast effects on ebay
(I'll probably get solus on sale)

>>11477080

Yeah, he's kinda great. And same. I wasn't gonna pick up any of the other Primes, but I've already got Megatronus and they'll at least look good as a set.

What's a more niche take, liking Bayformers or Animated 2009?

>>11477086
Here's hoping we get more little guys soon, or a return of minicons.
>Megatronus
Nice, him and solus will probably match on some level atleast to help justify it a bit more. Also that weird rod from legacy soundwave can fit to extend the pole/handle of those little hammer guys if you happen to have him.

>>11476664
I did, fixed it right out of the box and it took less than a minute. I forgot I did it after playing with it since it was so simple to do.

Just got my 4 Devy bots. Is there anything I should be on the lookout for regarding qc? These bots are great!

>>11476936
Now let's see how it looks at actual size... It's literally nothing.

>>11477014
>>11477025
You should grab Pathfinder, too. While I wish they had used her original black colors, the blue is still kinda neat - also, she comes with the first official depiction of the Go-Bots Guardian insignia on her flag that we've seen in ages.

>>11476550
exactly. all jets are hard, this one is harder.

>>11477088
There's more bayformers fans than every other Transformers series combined. Animated is basically the Bay tie in cartoon.

>>11476927
oooh bullet hole battle damage!

>>11476963
imagine not being able to raise your knees above your own waist

>>11477109
Is this pack worth the price?
I'm not a huge Gobots fan but I do like the colors.

>>11477185
You can by it for 50 right now and that's a great price for 3 deluxe figures.

>>11477195
especially because

1: warpath is like 30+ bucks nowadays
2: gears is an amazing fucking figure
3: cosmos is great

it's a really good value pack

Found a pretty good sticker to cover up the blemish on Silverbolt’s chest. I was gonna go with a computer screen type thing like the toy has but I think this one really works

>>11477302
that does indeed work. i'm a sucker for vent greebles.

>>11477303
Thanks bro but im not completely sold. Its kind large and low detail to be front and center. Do you think this little computer readout thing on top would look better?

>>11477309
it's a little oldfashioned.. something I'd expect more on uhh what's the name of the guy that the Ark's computer turns into.. cerebros or whatever. That's something he would have..
Silverbolt's an aircraft, so air intake and output are just always appropriate. Of course if you flipped it, so the vents are pointing up, it'd look more like an intake vent.. and yknow, if you cut a bunch of little strips of plastic and glued them on to make it an actual 3D vent, all the better.
the ten colored dots sticker is fine too I suppose, the red would probably look okay, make his whole chest into a red H like Sgt Hatred. depending where you put it. I forget where this blemish was, if you posted it earlier.

>>11477311
>Of course if you flipped it, so the vents are pointing up, it'd look more like an intake vent
I knew I should’ve put it the other way

>>11477315
it's counterintuitive.. what part of the plane does that part turn into, anyway?
I remember not understanding why 747 engines should have the fat part facing forward, my dad had to explain it to me but I was thinking of them as rockets, with the cone flared outward in back.

>>11477339
Well, it’s the bottom of the jet, facing backwards, so it’s definitely an exhaust. Thing is I already took that one off and tried the other one. Got it a nanometer crooked and now I think sticker time is over lol
I still preserved the vent sticker if I change my mind back. I’ve been getting extremely ocd over some very little QC issues lately. I just spazzed out about Armada Red Alert not too long ago

>>11477343
>it definitely *should* be an exhaust
Aka the way you >>11477311 said to put it

>>11477343
stickers are a fickle mistress
>>11477346
wait so the way I said actually WOULD be right for that? huh.
it's okay, other anon, i'm sure nobody will notice the blemish anyway. and if so, maybe it's time to learn to paint.

>>11477044
Don't worry with how things are maybe well see him by Christmas

>>11477067
It's funny cause when he came out in the four pack I was able to get him crazy cheap. No one wanted him.

>>11477369
Yep. I had 6 copies total and I couldnt even get $25 for him. Now, hell with expensive, he’s actually unobtainable. There are currently only 2 on ebay and they are in bundle deals. There isnt a single one being sold by itself.

They are reissuing Fangry which means its not impossible Ransack could get a reissue some day.

So... anyone else get a message from Pulse saying Sky-Byte has been pushed back to fucking September?

>>11477369
>>11477408
Two Ransacks are worth a G1 Breakdown

takara stock photos of fully combined superior released

>>11477416
That's pretty damn weird considering he's on store shelves right now.

>>11477422
Who cares about frameslop?

>>11475984
Damn good this time around.

>>11477426
I know everyone's dogpiling on top of this walking dogfight, but I'm just noticing two things that bug the fuck out of me, right around his robobathing suit area
the upper thighs being a cheesier orange than the next block down, which is obviously painted yellow, clashes in a weird way, and similarly his skirt flaps are one kind of red and his grundle is another.. that bugging anyone else? just me? some things are just me, I won't be offendled.

>>11477453
Isn't Silverbolt alone more expensive at retail than all those combiners wars figures were together?

>>11477457
The price of quality

>>11477467
Here's your quality >>11476914

>>11477469
>Get a cool base to go with the toy
What's the problem?

>>11477453
Only one of these is an actual combiner

>>11477480
Both of them are actual combiners.

>>11477457
MSRP at the time was $15ish for deluxes and $25 for voyagers. Adjusted for inflation, though, they're the same price as Deluxes and Voyagers today ($20 and $35 respectively), so depending on how you look at it, between $85 and $105 for the set.

But yeah, a huge chunk of Silverbolt's price is the great fat lump of combiner kibble that actually makes up the robot mode that you just stick jets to, just like Motormaster.

It makes a better looking combined mode, though.

>>11477481
Only one actually

>>11477453
You could have used Betatron
But that would require anyone remembers Betatron exists

>>11477484
Deluxes have not been $20 for a long time.

>look what I got

I never knew G1 coutach cars are this tiny
I will open sunstreaker later

>>11476817
is this in addition to the 10% flat rate or does it supplant it? I doubt we can shift manufacturing out of vietnam due to the costs of building new factories, but being able to sell to a large market should hopefully create more jobs

>>11477409
Here's hoping
does make me feel retarded for splurging on the fangry set though

>>11477530
How much was it?

>>11477457
You can also wait for the eventual complete box set Hasbro Pulse will do.

>>11477539
This is the missing link not the original G1


What a fascinating little thing

All the movements you want is there minus the waist which is not possible due to transformation and the design.

All that in this little package. But because how it was designed back in the 80's the robot is just funky looking


The paint on my is decent, but that is really just luck of the draw

Though I do have to comment the knees and right hip are really weak. The knees are more of design problem because how dense the torso is. Though the hip is just you typically QC.

I don't know if I recommend adding polish on them as the parts are painted.

I just wish you can til the head backward without it bounces back to neutral position

>>11477425
What's weirder is that I preordered him within the first five minutes of the orders opening on Pulse - my order should have been fulfilled in the first wave as soon as they got their shipment.
I really need to stop ordering from them directly - it's not the first time they've gotten their shit in later than literally everyone else; maybe I'll just cancel and grab him from someone who actually has him in stock.

This looks quite good to me despite the janky hips, but I wish it had a full Optimus Prime color scheme.

>>11477559
The wings would look cool painted up as Prime’s trailer (and then they could omit the trailer accessory entirely)

>>11477552
oh i didn't even hear about that one. you guys are supposed to keep me up to date on missing links!!
yeah I suppose with G1 proportions, you gotta rethink joint tightnesses, don'tcha.
wait the head is spring-loaded? is that part of the transformation?

>>11477559
Fuck the Optimus Prime color scheme - it should have been Blaster. The blue is inaccurate to the VF-19 Fire Valkyrie anyway (the Sound Booster pack was the only blue on it, and this guy doesn't even have one equipped), and is bothering me.

>>11477559
I wish it had a full Blaster head and chest.
Seriously Takara, it was right there and you fumbled it. The stage could even have folded into G1 Blaster’s boombox mode.

It does look really good though and not as expensive as I was expecting.

>>11477552
Pretty rad looking guy you have there anon

>>11477559
>wish it had a full Optimus Prime color scheme.
How would the jet mode look like that?

>>11477559
whaaat are those thighs.. is that just how the valkyrie was? because the ones I remember sure weren't like that, the cool older ones.
>>11477562
this is a cool jet at least. wait, why do you want the fins painted gray? if you want blue shins, i mean the wings become the shins, so..

>>11477572
>how would the Jet mode look
Pretty awful.

>>11477564
>Joints tightness

To be fair, at this point I have no expectation of proper joint tightness with collector items from TT or Hasbro just from the fact they keep making questionable design decisions.

My MPG Ginrai got a lose left hip and I have no understanding as to why he has to be made with a semi ratchet joint instead of friction

This one I am holding the judgement until I open up sun streaker. It that one is like that too then yeah they missed the mark

And it still can't kneel. The knees is just too high

>>11477579
at least there are joint tighteners and looseners

>>11477573
The wings wrap around the back/side of the legs, so the main limb would still be blue in robot mode. It might look like a clusterfuck in jet mode but I’ll photoshop it at some point.

>>11477573
>whaaat are those thighs.. is that just how the valkyrie was?
Not even remotely - the thighs were made up of the VF-19's intakes on the original, but those now sit on Prime's shoulders here, so the thighs are now completely unarmored. There's no armor on his crotch, either, so now his hips are just awkwardly attached to a solid block, which isn't accurate to the Valkyrie OR Optimus Prime. I get that they wanted the Battleroid Mode's silhouette to be more like OP while the Fighter mode was supposed to be the straight-up VF-19 Excalibur, but it feels like they botched it - the insistence on having Prime's windshield chest pectorals fucked up the overall transformation scheme.

>>11477675
Forgot my image.

>>11477480
>only one combines in a way that satisfies my autism
And it looks like shit due to it

>>11477480
>I prefer my toys to be shit, as long as they connect only to each other

So sunstreaker

Same thing but just in yellow

the right hip being weaker is definitely a thing
While as the white one the hip is literally flopping around sunstreaker's is at least holding its position.
But compared with the left side the right is clearly weaker.

As for the knee they are about the same. I think the body is just a bit heavy for the knees to hold.

But regardless of the weak hip or knees I would recommend a stand for them. The feet are a bit unwieldy due to the shape and now added articulation. The heel doesn't help too much as they don't extend backward where they are needed the most

>The head

No it is not spring loaded.
It is just pinned to the neck with an additional pull up joint for car to bot transformation.
The problem is there is enough room to tilt the head backward but the joints will force it back into its lower resting position

>>11477559
>>11477562
I hate Basara with a passion but I like his music, so I pre-ordered. I hope being Optimus makes him less obnoxious.
Also that silly Valkyrie truck mode is too ridiculous to pass on it.

>>11477552
That's cool and all anon, but why is Neco Arc hiding a gun behind his back?

>>11476502
>The issue is, how do you make the RX 78 look good as a truck?
That's the thing anon, you DON'T!

>>11477807
Seems legitimate.

Action scenes are cool, but sometimes it's nice to have everyone standing in repose.

>>11477850
I love how you have a whole bunch of C-listers and then Springer is there too

>>11477851
Springer is a B-lister. His entire being with the Wreckers was that the main comic wasn't using him, and he has been referenced a lot less in future Transformers lines than movie peers Hot Rod, Arcee, Ultra Magnus, and Blurr.

Ah, fresh rat! My favorite ehehehehe

>>11477917
I always knew Starscream was anal queen

>>11477917
Why is it the only people that talk about or own those Bishoujou statues are mentally ill transexuals?

>>11477704
>>11477706
>I prefer my combiners to be combiners
Yes

>>11477944
Straight men build their own garage kits

>>11477947
The Combiner Wars one isn't a real combiner either, the chest, crotch and combiner head should be extra parts. Anything less than that and it isn't a REAL combiner as God intended them to be.
No, wait. All of those scramble city pieces of shit weren't combiners either. A REAL combiner must always be six dudes of the same size. And they must be construction vehicles, too!
Fuck changing things, it makes my OCD spike!

>>11477947
>I prefer my combiners to be floppy pieces of shit with terrible proportions that can barely be posed and have tiny ass feet, obvious thighs as elbows and individual robots arms on plain sight on its shoulders
Good to know, anon!

>>11477947
You haven't even tried to argue, it's great that at least you admit you're an autist that prefers shit toys.

Combiners were a mistake. You turn 5-6 toys into one toy.

why don't diehard cwfags just buy the superion sets from people who are selling their cw superion for the new aotp one

>>11477990
I love micro-bots, and Zords, therefore I love combiners by proxy. Would be hell to buy second hand at collector rates though, or even MSRP with all the pieces you need today.
It could be worse, imagine double dipping a character just for completion.

>spent my morning transforming all my autobots into a big group and watching g1 episodes
I love cheesy 80s bots

>>11477992
Because they most probably already own one. That's why they're so mad some people prefer the new releases, they need for everybody to tell them how right they are in their tastes, how much better the thing they bought is. Any disagreement and they feel directly attacked. Pathetic, I know.

>>11478004
Man, I wish I could do this but I'm too lazy.

Any Happy Meal Autists ITT? I've been hunt happy for these stupid shits for a while now.

>>11477438
The reds don’t bug me. Probably because the red on his legs is paint and he uses multiple kinds of red plastic. Kinda to be expected at this point.
Now, the shade of yellow they chose we can agree on. It’s ugly. It’s the exact shade of yellow they used on the CW versions USA release too. A color which the Unite Warriors drastically improved upon with a beautiful golden yellow color. It’s a shame they repeated that same mistake again. For me the #1 niggle has to be the leg bots going on the back of the leg. I get it. It’s took accurate. Thanks! A simple swivel below the knee and at the ankle would solve this totally and they should have that articulation anyway. Having options like this never hurt anyone. It’s so silly to have the bots on the back of the legs and they’re basically hidden and pointless.

>>11478036
>Happy Meal Autists
You rang?

>>11478039
Oh fuck yeah, you even have the actual meal transformers.

I regularly find vintage McDonald’s toys at one of my thrift stores. None of them are worth shit. Even the most popular ones. McDonald’s transformers are actually some of the most valuable ones they ever made if not #1.

>>11478055
Doesn't help I'm an Armada Zoomer.

>>11478037
>A simple swivel below the knee and at the ankle
You can't add swivels at the ankle without reworking the feet transformation.

>>11478036
I would kill a man to get Legacy Megatron repaint in those colors

I need to find a better program to make this in because Shapr3D is locked down hard unless you shill them 300 bucks a year, but I'm liking how this little project is going for me.

Pic looks like ass because I think I need to tune up my printer and the mushroom peg joints are delicate, but I'm getting somewhere with this I think. Gonna remake basically the entire arm structures so he can still Transform when I'm done. Trying to make this figure tolerable.

Will post my Devastator arm plate prototypes as well.

I'd appreciate any feedback :^)

>>11478093
Here is the Devvy arm plates. Gave them hinges so they could integrate into the transformation of the parts that partsform. It's pretty fucking embarrassing that they didn't do something like this especially since they already look like missile pods for the trailer. Instead they just...literally did the same thing as the CW version? Weird. I still love the new Combiners, but I feel like when they ask old designers to "update" their old designs, they phone it in for a bunch of spots on the figures.

Gonna add details once I can figure out what program I wanna use for them.

>>11477981
>>11477984
>Hasbro did the concept poorly in the worst budget cut year of the franchise so we're never allowed to do all in one combiners ever again
The solution is to do two torso robots and mini robots for the hands and feet but hyper tooner autism means well never get anything besides G1 configuration even if it means 95% of the combiner mass comes from one component. Nobody would hate on Superion if it was a new character labeled as an Armorizer or some shit.

>>11477984
> it's great that at least you admit you're an autist that prefers shit toys
? I don’t prefer frameslop though

>>11478118
Hey, people are tolerating Long Haul's trailer and it's just a pile of parts

>>11478124
Acting clueless doesn't help your case, anon.

>>11478118
>so we're never allowed to do all in one combiners ever again
Said nobody in this thread

>>11478061
The Armada ones are honestly not that great. I’d just save my money so if I were you

>>11478136
The entire chain was about whether Hasbro should do CW 2.0

>>11478118
>Nobody would hate on Superion if it was a new character labeled as an Armorizer or some shit.
Are you for real? Of course plenty of people would hate that because "not muh classic combiner configuration". And the ones having an aneurysm over frame combiners are precisely the non-tooner crowd, proving they are as autistic if not worse than them and unable to accept anything that deviates to how things should always work in their minds.
Also any character designed to be the hips at a retail price point is destined to be trash. It's not just about budget, but stability and regulations of durability for child toys. Using a third party picture as an example is absurd, as they don't need to adhere to those rules when designing their figures.

>>11478149
It’s an ever increasing mindfuck thinking about the next version of a figure that just came out. Thinking ahead 10-20 years from now, if ever. I’m genuinely getting too old for this. I always scoffed at boomer collectors and their dust covered figures that have been outdated for years. “Hah he calls himself an (insert autism here) fan but he doesn’t even have the latest version of any of them. Well, I finally get it.

>>11478149
>The entire chain was about whether Hasbro should do CW 2.0
Bullshit. The entire chain started with this >>11477453 and is all about people who don't mind the frame combiners and another retard being unable to accept them because it's not what he considers a combiner.

The actual biggest flaw of these combiners is they don’t have articulated hands. It’s ridiculous.

>>11478152
>Armorizer
Case in point, nobody was upset that Armada Prime super mode is majority trailer or that Energon Prime and PCC use drones for limbs because they were brand new designs advertised as new concepts.
>Stability
Ratcheted hips dont violate child safety guidelines or exceed budgets, Cardbotslop has 8 member diecast AIO combiners larger than Hasbro

>>11478147
Star Scream and Megatron are adorable, and they aren't expensive at all. Could be the Dose colors doing the heavy lifting, but for like $5 for both, I wouldn't feel bad after.

>>11478162
This. I was transforming menasor back to vehicles thismorning, turning the limbs back to the trailer and thought again why is the hand just one big peghole like regular bots. Surely on such a big piece a bit of articulation isnt a tall order. I dont even mind the limbs/frame at all really but the block hand should definitely have a bit of articulation

>>11478128
? clueless about what?

>>11477620
genuinely interested in seeing it
>>11477675
yeah I think these companies are going to have to come to terms with the tyranny of compromise soon if they want to keep doing these crossovers.
here's a fun idea: do MUTUAL crossovers. Each of you adapts the other's thing, so you get your version of it, and then they get theirs.

>>11478164
>Case in point, nobody was upset that Armada Prime super mode is majority trailer or that Energon Prime and PCC use drones for limbs because they were brand new designs advertised as new concepts.
Dude, we're talking about the original G1 combiners and how to deal with those designs, not new combining robots that have nothing in common with that concept.
>>11478164
>Ratcheted hips dont violate child safety guidelines or exceed budgets
But they need to be big/strong enough to comply with regulations. That's the whole point, you'll end up with a compromised crotch robot that looks like a fat fuck like Combiner Wars Long Haul.
Try to follow the conversation, jesus christ.

>>11477720
>not spring loaded
oh I see, it has some 'play' but it won't stay. Very unshway.
>>11477807
>WE'RE JUMPING ONTO WHITE BASE! AAHHH

>>11477559
>>11477562
It should have been starscream

>>11477850
doesn't repose mean like lying down?
>>11477944
liking things to be flashy and pretty is a female characteristic. Males like things to be plain, and for those things to show US attention for how good we look.
>>11477990
I wish you were wrong

>>11478039
my man. these are joys. wish i had mine from childhood.

>>11478182
>He keeps doing it.
The only thing you've been doing is parrot "not muh real combiner" this whole conversation. You haven't adressed a single one of the critiques to the CW toys, and now you're acting like you didn't even notice them. You obviously have zero arguments to make. Enjoy your shitty "real combiner" that can't even be posed.

>>11478191
>>WE'RE JUMPING ONTO WHITE BASE! AAHHH
KEK. Glad to see some people still remembers the classics. Time to watch it again.

>>11478189
>you'll end up with a compromised crotch robot that looks like a fat fuck like Combiner Wars Long Haul.
If your designers suck, maybe.

>>11478189
>Dude, we're talking about the original G1 combiners
Then they should combine like the cartoon. Save the frames and trailers for new characters.

>>11478162
yeah, I'd settle for just a four finger hinge. especially because FUCKING LEGACY BLITZWING'S SHITTY ENERGON HANDS HAD A FOUR FINGER HINGE

>>11478206
Dude, do you even understand that in the case of these Transformers combiners we're talking about they're trying to make toys of G1 designs that have an established look to them? Those other brands are a completely different beast from a design standpoint. First you use Armada and Energon Prime as examples and now this? It's like you're trying to argue your point but completely misunderstand what the basics of this whole coversation were about. You're on a completely different note.

>>11478210
>Then they should combine like the cartoon.
So in a physically imposible way with things changing shape like they're made of playdoh and combiner kibble appearing out of fucking nowhere?
At the end of the day the frames system gives us better individual robots AND a combiner that feels solid and is poseable. Meanwhile, the CW followed your holy method of combination and you ended up with awkard as fuck and unstable robots. Right now, therese are the two choices Hasbro has made, feel free to choose the CW toys if how they combine is more important than how good of an action figure they are. That's all there is to it.

>>11478217
>they're trying to make toys of G1
This is a completely arbitrary design challenge that doesn't need to be enforced.
>Armada, energon
Kids didn't give a fuck thet prime looked different every time, all that mattered is that he looked cool and had a fun combination. Forcing tooner accuracy on kids toy budget just leads to compromises. Transformers ideally needs to return to designing transformations first and characters second, everything iconic about Toon Transformers were just incidental consequences of Diaclone engineering.
>b-but fans want G1
Then they should be buying MP and 3P

>>11478220
>So in a physically imposible way with things changing shape like they're made of playdoh and combiner kibble appearing out of fucking nowhere?
The arm robot becomes the arm and the leg robot becomes the leg. Frames are not toon accurate

>>11478220
yeah fuck it hasbro should make highly articulated skeletons for us to mould play-doh over and then they should include custom transformers heads and kibble with certain sets. I'd buy that. Give me an AOE Galvatron playdoh set so we can finally have screen accurate transformations. Unironically better than some of the slop they're putting on Walmart shelves.

The macross crossover basara prime is 200 fucking dollars. Just fucking why?
Can't blame this one on being diaclone.

>>11478243
Only $200? I'm honestly surprised. Take a look at what actual Macross toys go for and you will understand.

I'm sick of the schizo combiner frame discussion so I'm going to ask the real question

should Optimus Prime have exposed wheels on his legs (toy accurate) or hidden wheels on his legs (toon accurate)

>>11478248
Alt mode design cues are cool, the wheels stay.

>>11478248
Wheels on the legs and the actual truck grill as abs. No hiding vehicle parts, no faux parts

>>11478203
Im so mad I didnt back Liokaiser

>>11478245
Same. Im shocked hes not $300

>>11478248
Faux parts are even worse cheating than combiner frames. If the robot design doesn't work as a vehicle or vice versa, then maybe it's time for a new design

>>11478243
what's the old joke..
lemonade 5000 bucks "i only have to sell one glass!"

>>11478248
I kinda liked MP10's half and half attempt

>>11478245
But this figure doesn't seem to have the engineering that comes with that price, its not actually a macross figure.

>>11478290
Don't be so autistic. $200 seems to be the high end price for Basara Prime anyways, its around $120 from jap retailers but you'll probably have to pay $40 for shipping. Still cheaper than Pulse.

>>11477947
I too prefer combiners to be combiners.

>new transformers missing link comic pairs up Arcee and Ultra Magnus's omitted buggy partner

why is arcee the girlfriend of EVERY guy in Transformers?

>>11478125
Makes me laugh when people shit on the newage one but say tha's fine.

>>11478118
>The solution is to do two torso robots and mini robots for the hands and feet
Sounds like that shitty Bayformers Devastator, keep that garbage away from REAL combiners.

>>11477566
>>11477568
they probably intended it as rodimus but the licensor insisted on prime because old japanese men are stupid

>>11478335
The Newage one all the Devastator bits were whole other extra, like, $100 purchase

>>11478349
Not in the boxset I got, and this is a matter of execution, not what you're ingup.

Do the SS86 Constructicons have any merit as figures beyond forming Devastator?

>>11478369
Have any set of Constructicons ever had any merit beyond forming Devastator?

>>11478338
Liokaiser, Dairugger

>>11478377
>missile mount
>wing
Confirmed, a cargo jet would fix devastator.

>>11478390
>>11478327

>>11478036
>>11478055
I had the megatron and cyclonus they were pretty cool.
The transformers Cybertron burger king toys a few years later were pretty awesome as well.

>>11478245
Actually ever since Macross started selling stuff on Amazon a lot of the prices have gone down.

DX figures can be found for sub-$200 prices when they go on sale every few months.

Most figures still sit in that $250-300 range though, and anything that hasn't been released in years like the YF-30 is still up there in the $400+ range.

>>11478333
speaking of that comic where the hell do I read it

>>11478333
>the town bike transforms into a car
Huh???

>>11478369
That's for you to decide, bro

>>11478369
You could recreate two scenes from the '86 movie: the massacre on the Autobot shuttle, and if you find/print a bunch of little trumpets, Starscream's coronation.

>>11478369
Do Transformers even have any merit as toys beyond transforming?

>>11478473
You can make the car roll or the plan go whoosh or stick an absurd number of guns on the robot.

>>11478473
>what's in a name?

>>11478369
Yes, but these ones no
Their other modes are kinda crap

>>11478473
the ones I buy do.

>>11478489
and the CW ones were any better?

>>11478428
Remember that weirdly horny bio they gave one of the Energon Arcee repaints back during the first movie?

>>11478036
These were a pretty terrible set all around. Not worth it. Proportions were all over the place. Optimus is kind of ok, Hot Shot too.
Definitely felt like a step down after the Beast Machines ones

>>11478499
i mean 'getting attention' is only horny if you're amish, but yeah that is weird. the part that sticks out to me is "transformers robots" which has the same energy as "i'm catching pokemon creatures"
also what the FUCK is this design, it looks like shit from the bumblebee movie. also 'fires a projectile!' might be the least cool say to describe it having a missile launcher.

>>11478196
>liking things to be flashy and pretty is a female characteristic. Males like things to be plain
Funnily enough, this is the exact reason why male birds, fish and reptiles tend to be pretty or have flashy colors, while the females tend to be dull or muted.

Who should I add / remove next?

Thinking either some seekers or 1 of the 2 original triple changers.

>>11478499
>skill 10
I miss bios so much

>>11478511
all animals. even some who are blind.
If there is a visual difference between the sexes, (which often there isn't) there's still something big and visual about the male. a swollen appendage of some kind, an ornament, a color.

whereas the unifying characteristic of females is having something fat in the rear area. Whether they're fostering babies in eggs or without eggs, it takes a lot of energy stores.
basically triangle shape - female. upside down triangle - male.

>>11478499
>green omnicon named Air Raid
I miss random colour schemes and nameslaps so much

>>11478499
Didn't she used to be a male mining drone until energon trans-formed her?

>>11478525
So what exactly IS "Skill", anyway? How does one measure it? The other stats are pretty straightforward, but 'Skill' always seemed pretty vague and somewhat arbitrary.

>>11478532
Martial skill you idiot.

>>11478532
I assumed it means like, ease in doing... tasks... that require finesse and precision.

>>11478531
That's what happens in the Energon show and it's Arcee not Elita-one there.

>>11478201
>The only thing you've been doing is parrot "not muh real combiner"
Because they aren’t real combiners.

> You haven't adressed a single one of the critiques to the CW toys
? what critiques? That the transformers actually transform instead of being lazy frameslop?

>B-BUT THEY CANT EVEN BE POSE-ACK!

>>11478555
what do the hands do with those

>>11478496
Why even say this?
It’s a completely different figure, this one being a certain way has no bearing on CW

>>11478531
That's the mold she's based off on, Energon Arcee, though it's not implied she was troonsformed.
It's funny that everyone always gets upset over the IDW or UK Marvel Arcee origin, but Energon Arcee's origin as being made to boost the Omnicons morale by having a cute girl around to make them more willing to work and fight

>>11478531
What the fuck drugs do they even allow over in Japan

>>11478509
It's got some more innuendo, like talking about her "handling" , generating an "attraction field" that makes enemies "overheat". It's all basically saying she's hot stuff.
The design itself comes from Energon, where it was Arcee(there's also a blue Arcee in this subline that's the reason Prime Arcee is blue). All these figures were Target exclusives made from the last few years of toys made to fill demand for more product.

>>11478567
oh okay, that part went over my head
>energon
huh, the head doesn't feel their type. but the massive accessories do.

>>11478290
Really most Macross figures aren't THAT complex, it's the build you're paying for. A movie leader from the ROTF line is probably more complex overall. the difference is the level of polish on the higher end macross figure.

>>11478568
Energon was kind of all over the place in terms of designs, some leaned more G1 inspired but stylized while others were entirely new.

>>11478550
>finesse and precision
This

>>11478555
I've seen deluxe classes that pose better minus the hands.

maybe it's not fair comparing legacy gears to cwslop though.

>>11478559
I'm just saying, despite the individual modes still being mid-tier, they're a whole lot better than the CW ones.

framesisters....what the FUCK is this!?

>>11478592
visible limb-bot joints and clearly strained posing

>>11478592
Isn't this using an upgrade kit