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Anonymous No.11525067 >>11525116 >>11525165 >>11525179 >>11525242 >>11526310 >>11527079 >>11527515 >>11528145 >>11528248 >>11529908 >>11531476 >>11531611 >>11536425
I miss when the industry standard for action figures in the 2000s and early 2010s was 3.75 inches. Now my favorite scale is (mostly) dead and buried...
Anonymous No.11525116 >>11525123 >>11525125
>>11525067 (OP)
What do you think of the epic heroes/spinmasters DC figures? They're obviously nowhere as good as the early MU/2000's Gi Joe releases but for how cheap they are I think they're decent buys.
Anonymous No.11525123 >>11525131
>>11525116
I like them for what they are, but even spin master isnt doing 4 inch DC figures anymore and have gone on to 6 inch sloppa unfortunately
Anonymous No.11525125 >>11525131
I miss it too.

>>11525116
I'm glad it exists and is pretty affordable so kids can get them. But I feel like they aren't using it to its full potential except with Star Wars where they are consistently putting out vehicles of different sizes.
Anonymous No.11525131 >>11525145 >>11534919
>>11525123
Well those Metal Force figures were atleast a high note to go out on. I wish the DC general wasnt such a cesspool because those figures genuinely deserved some discussion.
>>11525125
Star Wars is really getting some mileage out of the line, it's just a massive shame to see this much effort come about so far deep into the franchise' ruin. Had these been around 15 years ago people would have cummed in their pants.

Marvel is way more hit or miss. For every decent release you get a dozen shitty vehicles, unwanted repaints, or random gimmick lines. Who eever is handling the kid portion of hasbro's marvel output these days is really phoning it in.
Anonymous No.11525145 >>11525162
>>11525131
> Well those Metal Force figures were atleast a high note to go out on.
I only got the four pack with brainiac but yeah it was cool. It never got a wide release it was afaik mostly an amazon exclusive
> Star Wars is really getting some mileage out of the line, it's just a massive shame to see this much effort come about so far deep into the franchise' ruin. Had these been around 15 years ago people would have cummed in their pants.
the issue is that star wars has been ruined so much as a brand now that most of the newer movies or content has nothing sellable. Who the fuck wants a kylo ren action figure after TLJ ruined him and who the fuck wants a toy out of the boring shit show that was andor?
>Marvel is way more hit or miss. For every decent release you get a dozen shitty vehicles, unwanted repaints, or random gimmick lines. Who eever is handling the kid portion of hasbro's marvel output these days is really phoning it in.
Remember when every MCU movie got an extensive toyline? That doesnt happen anymore, hell im shocked how theres barely any merch at all for the fantastic four reboot that just came out. One lego set and a few legends, thats it. The fact of the matter is that whoever is running marvels merch department in general only wants to focus on the old avengers characters of late. Probably why theyre allegedly bringing them all back for the next avengers movie next year. The fact they arent making tons of marvel rivals toys when its the biggest game currently is baffling to me
Anonymous No.11525162 >>11525169 >>11534919
>>11525145
The Metal Force character selection could have been better admittedly but for how shortlived it was I was content with it. Still find myself wishing they'ed have gone with a bat foe other than Joker. Mr Freeze, Penguin, or even Riddler would have made for much more entertaining inclusions in the line. Beetle was another weird pick too but I guess they threw him in during the planning stage when they assumed the 2023 movie was going to be a hit.

From what I've seen alot of the Epic Heroes vehicles focus just on OT stuff, but your point isnt lost on me. The fact that disney is still shilling sequel/disney plus SW dogshit proves they havent learned dick. Otherwise they'ed go back to fixating on just the OT & prequel casts. Anytime you see a modern star wars figure based on a character you dont recognize its from one of their new projects. I experienced as much with the ugly robot from the skeleton crew show.

>Remember when every MCU movie got an extensive toyline?

You have no idea how much I miss capeshit movies getting their own individual toylines. Good ones mind you. I commend Spinmaster's efforts with DC but the 2023 slate yielded some of the ugliest, cheapest, most unsightly movie tie in toys I've ever seen. The new Superman and FF lines are little better. Modern capeshit movies have just failed in every capacity. Even the costumes look fucking gay and lame. At this point I just want to see the genre go into deep hibernation for the next 15 years.

Good point with Rivals too. It's practically the only marvel project anyone has any fondness for these days, and I say as much despite being an oldfag that cant stsnd the modern overwatch-fortnite design language.
Anonymous No.11525165 >>11525173 >>11528464
>>11525067 (OP)
The cost of tooling and production has gone up so much that the difference in cost of making a 4" super articulated and 6" super articulated isn't all that different so it's much more cost effective to make things larger so companies can sell them for higher prices.
Anonymous No.11525169 >>11525214
>>11525162
Metal force had blue beetle in it? Didnt know that
> From what I've seen alot of the Epic Heroes vehicles focus just on OT stuff, but your point isnt lost on me. The fact that disney is still shilling sequel/disney plus SW dogshit proves they havent learned dick. Otherwise they'ed go back to fixating on just the OT & prequel casts. Anytime you see a modern star wars figure based on a character you dont recognize its from one of their new projects.
im tired of TVC being cluttered with the acolyte and andor shite. Theirs no background aliens anymore for fucks sake. Everyone they make now is just a boring human in a brown coat usually
>I experienced as much with the ugly robot from the skeleton crew show.
I actually liked him but that show barely got any merch despite it having alot more ayys then most disney wars content has had.
>Good point with Rivals too. It's practically the only marvel project anyone has any fondness for these days
Hasbro and marvel are literally burning millions by not having merch on shelves right now. Reminds me of when that spider man movie brought back all the old villains and raimi man and andrew Garfield and hasbro didnt make any toys of those characters for like two years-they missed out on the hype and only had figures for the nostalgia characters ready long after everyone stopped caring. All because shitsney was more concerned about spoilers then the millions of merch revenue they threw away by not having the merch in time for the movie for some retarded reason.

TLDR-fuck disney
Anonymous No.11525173 >>11525211
>>11525165
I know that unfortunate truth but its still cheap as hell and bullshit. To me 6 inch is an inferior scale and the fact that they are so fucking incompetent that they cant keep costs down is their issue, not mine. And i dont buy as much from hasbro anymore precisely because they wanna make everything in a scale i dont really like now. Its not my fault theyre such money grubbers and retards that they both cant manage their factories to keep it affordable and they wanna stretch out their profit margin as goblin like and conniving as possible while forfeiting their old customer base like me at the same time.
Anonymous No.11525179 >>11525187
>>11525067 (OP)
Its not dead, youve got reaction+ and joy toy and hiya. So its alive but very expensive.
Anonymous No.11525187 >>11525222
>>11525179
>joy toy and hiya
Fragile china company shit. Of those three i only get reaction+ and im afraid super7 will collapse sometimes soon
Anonymous No.11525211
>>11525173
>I know that unfortunate truth
>its still bullshit
You sound like a reasonable, intelligent person that will certainly think rationally
Anonymous No.11525214 >>11525227 >>11534919
>>11525169
With how late of an addition he was I'm uncertain if he ever saw a retail release. I never saw any in person that's for sure. The cartoon featured alot of characters that never made it into the toyline sadly. Amazo, Flash, and Jon Stewart to name a few.

I honestly wonder if hasbro is intentionally trying to tank Star Wars sales nowadays in the hopes to offload the license to one of their competitors/peers. It's been nonstop duds for the last 5 years. Even when they get around to new aliens its usually a glup shitto donut steel from the latest media release they shat out that week. Fucking worthless.

It's honestly entertaining how regularly disney and hasbro drop the ball these days. Remember how they totally failed at having any Baby Yoda product ready for christmas time TWICE? Remember how much they overcorrected that going into 2023 only for most of the babycyoda shit to rot on shelves? Not to mention all the Eternals/Shang Chi/Wakanda Forever shit that remains DOA. I just wish it would finally do them in.
Anonymous No.11525222 >>11525227
>>11525187
Don't be a ham hands.
Anonymous No.11525227 >>11525243
>>11525214
>the cartoon
What cartoon? A DC metal force cartoon? Never heard of it before
>amazo
I wouldve KILLED for that figure
>Even when they get around to new aliens its usually a glup shitto donut steel from the latest media release they shat out that week.
They dont even do that. As much as i despise TLJ i wouldve bought some sequel shit aliens, the cooler ones at least, had they made them but past TFA none of the sequel movies got any background aliens as toys. It sucks because that solo movie had alot of cool aliens and only like moloch and a random pyke character got made as toys. Im still bitter the big lobster named therm scissorpunch never got a toy
>>11525222
>Don't be a ham hands.
Make your toys better, lo pan
Anonymous No.11525242 >>11525248 >>11528240
>>11525067 (OP)
this is what you get now
Anonymous No.11525243 >>11525261
>>11525227
It was a youtube series. It's very obviously aping the spiderverse look, the voice acting's rough, and the animation looks dodgy at times but its a fun watch with adblock turned on. Near the end they introduce a new bad guy aswell. I forgot his name but he was somekind of a living blackhole?

>It sucks because that solo movie had alot of cool aliens and only like moloch and a random pyke character got made as toys. Im still bitter the big lobster named therm scissorpunch never got a toy
>2025
>Still no Crimson Corsair figures (outside of lego and funko)
Disney's business model really just is pic related.
Anonymous No.11525248 >>11527714
>>11525242
>for the same price of a modern day epic hero you could have gotten pic related 13 years ago
>even when they began to gimp MU articulation circa 2016 the various spidermen still had ankle joints
grim
Anonymous No.11525261 >>11525276 >>11527463
>>11525243
>2025
>Still no Crimson Corsair figures (outside of lego and funko)
I have the 5POA 3.75 figure of him that came out ten years back. But outside of that and a imaginext knock off youre fucked sorry to say
Anonymous No.11525276 >>11525280
>>11525261
i never once saw this set in stores. Im baffled this even exists.
Anonymous No.11525280
>>11525276
I saw it once or twice but thats it. It wasnt a common two pack. Its around 20$ on ebay now. The galactic heroes sidon ithano with aged ford is even more rare
Anonymous No.11526310
>>11525067 (OP)
I agree
Anonymous No.11527079
>>11525067 (OP)
Unfortunately 1/18, great as it is for army builders and huge characters, has limitations for normal or smaller sized charactersx, which is why the market has drifted towards 1/12 for the most part. 1/12 works better for "character" focused lines because you will always be able to get better, cleaner engineering in a 1/12 figure than a 1/18 one of the same character. 1/18 tends to either be limited in articulation, look janky or be fragile.
Of course there are still plenty of good 1/18 lines, but they tend to play to the strengths of the scale. JoyToy's 40K stuff for example; Space Marines being quite large and bulky means they don't have the same problem of trying to articulate incredibly thin limbs, and army building is kind of the whole point of 40K.
Anonymous No.11527123 >>11527458 >>11527714
3.75 is a terrible scale
5 inches would be ideal. Big enough to have accessories that aren’t microscopic and small enough to have playsets and vehicles.
Anonymous No.11527458 >>11527757
Is this our official 1/18th thread?

>>11527123
It's not a scale war thing for me, it's just that 1/12th doesn't fit in with my collection. Funny thing is that I when I went to NJCC on Saturday, I had a discussion with a collector who pointed out how the various 1/12th lines are becoming less and less compatible with each other and you can't really display them with each other despite some many different properties being in that scale.
Anonymous No.11527463
>>11525261
I remember this crap going on ultra clearance
Anonymous No.11527515 >>11527520 >>11527527
>>11525067 (OP)
Still kind of pissed we never got a bunch of key characters/costumes in the MU line:

>>No regular Beast (you have to either get a grey colored one or hunt down a hard to find early 00s version)
>>No Jim Lee Storm costume
>>No Polaris of any kind
>>No Heather Hudson Guardian
>>No Thunderbolts
>>No Invisible Woman in a traditional FF outfit, only the Hickman era costumes
>>No classic costume Avalanche, or even Pyro or Destiny for full Brotherhood of Evil Mutants roster
>>No decent Romita/Silvestri Rogue
>>No Iron Man villains outside of a crappy Mandarin in an OC costume and Crimson Dynamo
>>No Terrax
>>No Liefeld X-Force/New Mutants
>>No PAD X-Factor or Layton/Simonson era human Beast
>>No full Ultimates team outside of Cap, Iron Man, and Ultimates 3 Hawkeye
Anonymous No.11527520
>>11527515
For what it's worth, some of the 90s Marvel Legends figures work good with the MU line.

>>Any Apocalypse figure but especially the second one with interchangeable arms
>>Iron Man Titanium Man
>>Fantastic Four Terrax, Dragon Man, and Galactus
>>X-Men Mojo, Holocaust/Dark Nemesis, Warstar. and Brood
Anonymous No.11527527
>>11527515
They did have regular blue Beast in the revival of MU. There's a Jim Lee Storm now from the '97 line although it's got much more limited articulation and only the mohawk head. But yeah, they missed so much. But so much of those 4" Marvel lines were just such absolute trash figures that I don't think it was even worth it to do more. The line started with some really truly awful bodies that got reused so much that nothing was even decent until halfway through the scale's death.
Anonymous No.11527714 >>11527752
>>11525248
>>even when they began to gimp MU articulation circa 2016
That absolutely was an intentional sabotage of the line by hasbro and you cannot tell me otherwise
>>11527123
Im a 3.75 fag usually but i agree, 5 inch is really an underrated scale
Anonymous No.11527752 >>11527758 >>11527765
>>11527714
>That absolutely was an intentional sabotage of the line by hasbro and you cannot tell me otherwise

Unquestionably it was. They made a total of 2 nee bodies and everyone else was a cheap repaint or rerelease for the sake of the pack inncomic, It was very obvious. Honestly felt like the MU equivalent to hasbro's World of Batman line. The bizarre and somewhat pitiful final Batman kine they made when their lease of the DC license was about to expire.
Anonymous No.11527757 >>11527760 >>11527809
>>11527458
Might as well be. For a second I thought the Charlie Brown guy in your pic was meant to be a reference to Weapon Brown but I guess now. I have to say, vintage Action Force is awesome and I never even grew up with those figures. One of the most lamentable consequences of globalism is seeing unique foreign exclusive toylines like that get eliminated entirely just to make room for a gay universal repackaging of some American IP.
Anonymous No.11527758 >>11528229
>>11527752
>Honestly felt like the MU equivalent to hasbro's World of Batman line. The bizarre and somewhat pitiful final Batman kine they made when their lease of the DC license was about to expire.
Damn, hasbro fucked up well known capeshit licenses on two separate occasions over the years, maybe they just suck as a company.
Anonymous No.11527760 >>11528216
>>11527757
>For a second I thought the Charlie Brown guy in your pic was meant to be a reference to Weapon Brown
It isnt?
Anonymous No.11527765 >>11527897 >>11528235
>>11527752
Also i wanted to add how much i hate how hasbro abandoned MU so scornfully. Practically overnight every 3.75 like they were doing at the time was sidelined/downgraded and eventually cancelled because hasbro wanted to go balls deep into 1:12 territory from then on. I know the logistics of why they did it but it still dont agree with it, it was scummy as hell and completely gutless and a betrayal to the 1:18 collector base that they built up over the previous decade prior to that sudden shift.
Anonymous No.11527801 >>11527807
The issue with 1/18 is the average age of collectors is getting quite up there and their eyesight is not as good as it used to be so companies have made figures larger to accommodate that
Anonymous No.11527807
>>11527801
Thats absolutely pathetic if thats the case that people have to buy shitty oversized figures because theyre geriatrics and are too numb and senile to mess with anything smaller. By that logic thats why those super oldfags are fans of 12 inch gi joe
Anonymous No.11527809 >>11528242
>>11527757
I don't think those are the vintage ones. Hasbro absorbed the unique UK characters and they do pop up every now and then as part of some G.I.Joe continuity or the other. Most recently I saw Quarrel in the Classified series, I think she's still available.
Anonymous No.11527897 >>11527915
>>11527765
>I know the logistics of why they did it but it still dont agree with it
Money. The cost to make the 4" with enough articulation wasn't too different from a 6" figure so it made more sense to go larger to sell them for a higher price at retail.
Anonymous No.11527915 >>11528092
>>11527897
I get it, but it shows how hasbro has no loyalty to its customer base because that happened. If 3.75 inch suddenly became more lucrative and profitable for whatever reason hasbro would betray the 6 inch community and drop them without a seconds notice just the same way they dropped us back 10 years ago
Anonymous No.11528003 >>11528031 >>11528252
As a 1/18 collector exclusively, I feel sad, impotent, dumb seeing the state of things now... like knowingly being on an evolutionary dead end but unable to change that, the wall closing and closing but cant let go of the accelerator pedal.

"Just collect 6in bro" no... I feel physical disgust when seeing one of those monstruosities, feel the vomit trying to come up and I can't help it. Their disgusting proportions, ugly mid abdomen joint, their solitary existence with out vehicles, playsets or """"armies"""" of three figures(kek) not to mention their soulless feel...
No, you can keep your disgusting 6in scale, we had our time and it was the best time.
Anonymous No.11528031 >>11528040
>>11528003
>"Just collect 6in bro"
I even did this for a while it was fun just because of all the stuff coming out but eventually I was craving what was missing. Like for me, I am primarily a Star Wars collector and around 2019 it was really hitting me that there were barely any fucking alien figures in any of the lines and none of the background characters that made Star Wars collecting so fun to begin with. I was getting into toy photography and wanted to set up scenes but everything felt so boring because it was just a bunch of humans and even with people making resin casts and stuff for customs, it just wasn't the same. I missed the vehicles, I missed the grand armies, and really missed the playsets to create instant environments. 6" just lacked soul to me. So I switched back to collecting TVC since it had come back and I don't regret it at all. I'm not against the 6" scale as a whole but it largely does nothing for me now, even when I pick up something here and there. Besides some imports that I still love, the majority of my stuff is just sitting in bins and I don't know what to do with it all.
Anonymous No.11528040 >>11530592
>>11528031
>it was really hitting me that there were barely any fucking alien figures in any of the lines and none of the background characters that made Star Wars collecting so fun to begin with.
Right? Star wars as a franchise seemingly hates alien characters too for whatever reason after the disney buyout. I fucking hate it, aliens were my favorite part of the brand along with droids and now star wars feels so lifeless to me. I dont have any of the enthusiasm for star wars as i did when i was a teen in the early 2010s
Anonymous No.11528092 >>11528121
>>11527915
Duh. Because they're a fucking business. A massive corporation, actually. So obviously they will always choose what gives them the most profit margins. They have to keep shareholders happy.
Anonymous No.11528121 >>11528251
>>11528092
I just didnt take into account just exactly how soulless they really were. Absolutely no loyalty or integrity to rhn
Anonymous No.11528145 >>11528168 >>11528219
>>11525067 (OP)
Bobby Vala pushed for 1/12 to replace 1/18, he was at Hasbro during that time
Anonymous No.11528168
>>11528145
Well fuck him then. That faggot ruined toy collecting single handily
Anonymous No.11528216
>>11527760
Doesnt seem like it to me. Reminds me more of pic related. Weapon Brown has a giant mechanical arm and wears leather pants + combat boots.
Anonymous No.11528219 >>11528225 >>11528231
>>11528145
Not even 1:12, 6". We're as bad as the Changs at working out scale, apparently.
I dont think I'd give him all the credit for the change in scale preference, though.
Anonymous No.11528225
>>11528219
NTA but while their were many various factors for the shift in preferred scale by toy companies, i definitely know hasbro had people internally who favorited 1:12 and made it their mission to push for it more within the company. Years back i thought it was mostly john wardens doing, but this bobby vala person may have also played a part as well. I know of them because they made that weird gi joe knock off valaverse company which is 3rd party shit for 6 inchers.
Anonymous No.11528229 >>11528243
>>11527758
Yeah. The story goes they fumbled the Batman Beyond line so bad that their sales ended up falling back on Mission Masters repaints. Once Beyond came and went, without any new Batman media on the horizon, they released Spectrum of the Bat and followed it up with World of Batman. Once the time came around for renegotiations they lost the Bat-license to Mattel and were stuck without a capeshit brand until 2006 when they took the Marvel rights from Toybiz. Though their ineptitude proved so great they had to go back and buy out toybiz just a year later to secure ownership over their mold library. Alot of TB molds ended up lost in the shuffle as a direct result. God knows what TB molds they even have nowadays.

>inb4 all the molds were destroyed

I suspect the chinese nationalized ownership of them following Hong Kong's annexation/reappropriation.
Anonymous No.11528231
>>11528219
Bobby has talked about it in videos on his channel
Anonymous No.11528235
>>11527765
It's literally just the fault of Marvel Legends too. Once they got their footing back circa 2012 between Avengers and ROML, that became their bread and butter. It wouldnt have been so bad if GI Joe had fared better, but sadly, everything went to shit following Retaliation.
Anonymous No.11528240
>>11525242
I havent tried one of these yet, atleast they have a few diffrent bodies to use. I think they look decent enough but im honestly not a spiderman fan enough to try the line.
Anonymous No.11528242
>>11527809
They obviously arent but they're clearly homages to the Palitoy collection. Apparently Hasbro doesnt really give a shit about them either. They permitted alot of the trademarks to lapse. These days Action Force is effectively another forgotten and neglected relic left over from their past by outs, no different from MASK or any of Galoob/Kenner/Saban/Tonka's buried IPs.
Anonymous No.11528243 >>11528267
>>11528229
> Yeah. The story goes they fumbled the Batman Beyond line so bad that their sales ended up falling back on Mission Masters repaints.
I have no idea how they fucked that line up so bad. Almost zero villains, and only like two terry figures actually looked like how his suit did in the show. The rest were a weird Picasso bukakke of neon and chemical vomit. Im also pissed because theres pics of a prototype of the kraven the hunter-esque villain named stalker who was in the actual show that they planned to include in the line apparently, but they cancelled him for more shit bat variants. It makes me so mad because batman beyond is one of the best animated shows of all time and its toyline was rancid shit and barely any of the characters got made and even most of the MCs figures were off model cancer and unrecognizable as him.
Anonymous No.11528248
>>11525067 (OP)
The new StarWars stuff in this scale is excellent hiya toys has some dope offerings too
Anonymous No.11528251 >>11528259
>>11528121
>shocked a multi billion dollar corporation is soulless
Are you dumb? You really thought a corp would decide for LESS profits just to keep some fanboys happy?
Anonymous No.11528252
>>11528003
FWIW Lanard is trying to expand distribution again. They have been since Walmart kicked them to the curb. The Gijoe Elite site is carrying alot of their new product at the moment, and there's always the amazon storefront. Outside of that pickings are slim sadly.
Anonymous No.11528259 >>11528264
>>11528251
There was a genuine agenda from within the company for wanting to make 6 incher crap the priority not just for monetary reasons but because people within the company themselves preferred it. Its not just a "it makes more money" thing because they intentionally snubbed a large viable market of 3.75 collecters out there. They very clearly did the shift for nefarious purposes, whatever the case maybe. Honestly ill never truly know all the details but what i wouldnt give to be a fly on the wall of hasbro circa early-mid 2010s to really know ALL of the details for the change away from 1:18 to 1:12 behind the scenes.
Anonymous No.11528264
>>11528259
>They very clearly did the shift for nefarious purposes
They very clearly did this shit because it meant larger profit margins and taking up more shelf space that can't be given to competitors. Are you guys just too dumb to understand that? The bottom line is ALWAYS about profits. Always. the bean counters in charge push it.
Anonymous No.11528267 >>11528276
>>11528243
I have a soft spot for the line nowadays for what a product of its time it is, but fans were totally justified in their disdain for the collection. Alot of the designers point the finger at Warner for not supplying them with enough developmental materials. It checks out if you read the cardbacks of the released figures. Most variants were advertised as Bruce, not to mention the inclusion of a Dick Grayson cyber-Robin. But it's hard to argue they couldnt have done better when the shitload of batvariants had become such a proven model by 1999 that they were still repainting and repackaging BTAS & TNBA product into the 2000's. More villains in the line would have gone a long way.
Anonymous No.11528275 >>11528281
Really, you will never see a toyline this absurdly experimental ever again. Even the crazy shit toybiz was peddling around tnis time didnt hold a candle to the insanity the designers behind this line were coming up with. You see alot of the same hallmarks in the Beast Machines toys too. It was such a crazy era for toys.
Anonymous No.11528276
>>11528267
>Alot of the designers point the finger at Warner for not supplying them with enough developmental materials.
That explains it. The lack of villains, the off model batsuits, all of it. Reminds me of when marvel/disney in their infinite stupidity barred companies from making merch of tobey and friends from spider man: no way home for about 2 years because "lol spoilers", and they had to make a lego of holland spider man fighting a magic squid thing because they barely had any material from the movie to make a set in time for when the movie was gonna be out in theaters. Also the hasbro kids line simply repacked vulture and mysterio from the first twi tom holland movies for that line and gobby and lizard and the rest never got any figures from NWH outside of over priced legends which came out three years after the movie left theaters.
>It checks out if you read the cardbacks of the released figures. Most variants were advertised as Bruce, not to mention the inclusion of a Dick Grayson cyber-Robin.
I didnt know any of that happened, i think i may have heard about a beyond robin figure but i figured that was weird toy decision and not a miscommunication between kenner/hasbro and warner bros.
Anonymous No.11528281 >>11528325
>>11528275
They do look cool but i remember when i started getting into batman as a teen around 10 years after this line had come and gone from store shelves and i would see hundreds of the batman beyond variants stink up antique shops and comic shops when looking for older toys. It really does sting that such a great show had a toyline that neglected almost all of its villains, at least the blight figure they made was peak
Anonymous No.11528325 >>11528337
>>11528281
I've heard similar stories for years, if not, decades now. It's entirely understandable. Especially when Beyond delivered such a satisfying conclusion to the DCAU. Ditto on Blight, even the Jokers gang members were well done. It's just a shame the larger cast never got any rep.

FWIW I've seen some fans customize their own Kenner/Hasbro Batman Beyond figs for years now. All it takes is one of the basic beyond bodies and the limbs off Nightwing.
Anonymous No.11528337
>>11528325
>firewall robin
And if he was asian he could be the great firewall robin and have panda wojaks all over his suit
>with anti-virus blaster
Need that when i go on dodgy porn sites
Anonymous No.11528464 >>11528570
>>11525165
>The cost of tooling and production has gone up so much that the difference in cost of making a 4" super articulated and 6" super articulated isn't all that different so it's much more cost effective to make things larger so companies can sell them for higher prices.
In 2006, 1:18 figures were ~$5. 1:12 figures were ~$7.
In 2012, 1:18 were ~$10. 1:12 figures were ~$14.
In 2025, 1:18 figures are ~$20. 1:12 figures are ~$28.
What's the price differences there? 28%, 28%, 28%. Prices seem pretty consistent across the board, huh? And you want to pretend that production costs have gone up unevenly somehow? WUT?

Stop lying.

some points of reference: http://www.mwctoys.com/REVIEW_021512a.htm http://www.mwctoys.com/REVIEW_062606b.htm http://www.mwctoys.com/REVIEW_090106b.htm http://www.mwctoys.com/REVIEW_053111a.htm plus pic
Anonymous No.11528570 >>11528574 >>11528576 >>11529024
>>11528464
What's the point of your example? You're giving us the COST the consumer pays, but we don't know the manufacturing cost and profit margins on 1/18 vs 1/12. It's been well documented that due to how tooling is done (one figure per set of molds, parts separated out by molded plastic colors, etc) that the tooling cost difference for a 1/18 fig and 1/12 fig is not much.
Anonymous No.11528574 >>11528583 >>11529024
>>11528570
My question is why does tooling cost so much and why did its prices allegedly go up so drastically
Anonymous No.11528576
>>11528570
*when talking about super articulated figures in both sizes. Hence why the 1/18 that do exist today in the toy aisle are barely articulated. To keep the tooling and assembly costs down.
Anonymous No.11528583
>>11528574
Highly specialized skill, only done at the factory level by highly trained people. Very lengthly process (several weeks long before changes back and forth with the toy company). Expensive equipment and materials used. Tooling for a single figure for the high volume these massive companies require can cost tens of thousands of dollars. And they often need multiple sets to keep up with production volume if it's a figure or body that'll be used much more than others in the line
Anonymous No.11528632 >>11528702
>Highly specialized skill, only done at the factory level by highly trained people

Chinese Bug people make these toys it cant be that hard
Anonymous No.11528702
>>11528632
Right, because every single person in the factories understands tooling, the tech, and is able to engineer those things.
Anonymous No.11529024 >>11529085 >>11530026
>>11528570
>toy companies are going to eat the cost for toys because they're actually charities... but only for 1:18. Not 1:12, because.
LOL
You're a complete retard and need to have some really retarded beliefs to make the claim that 1:18 cost nearly the same as 1:12, when the fact is, no one but 4H has ever made that claim to defend their high prices... and dumbshit message board users repeating 4H's retarded lie.

>>11528574
Tooling literally cost less for 1:18 because fewer molds are used for 1:18 figures (smaller parts = more pieces fit on the same mold), hence their lower prices than 1:12 scale for 99% of toy companies.
There's absolutely no reason why prices went up drastically, hence no company raising their price drastically. In fact, if you look at companies who make 1:12 and 1:18 lines at the same time, you'd think 1:18 is actually way less expensive. Hiya releases 1:18 figures for $25-30, while their larger figures are $50-90. Joytoy makes 4.5" figures for ~$30-80, while 7" figures are $150.

People didn't know that these Contra figures were 1:12, because it shares teh same engineering as the 1:18 figures.
Anonymous No.11529085 >>11529114
>>11529024
>smaller parts = more pieces fit on the same mold
You don't understand how it's done at all. Each plastic type used in the figure needs to be a separate mold. Pvc, abs, pom/acetal, ldpe/hdpe, etc. Each mold also has a minimum size it can be since there are standardized frames/other parts that are used to fit them into the injection molding machines. So even if you only have a couple abs parts on the 4" figure for example, they may still need to all go into their own mold that is much much larger than the used area.

Parts are also separated out into different molds by molded color, or they have to create multiple shut offs and more complex channels in the same mold.

>hence their lower prices than 1:12 scale for 99% of toy companies.
You're an idiot. Once again, we're not talking about the MSRP. We're talking about the cost to the manufacturer, and their margins.
Anonymous No.11529114 >>11529164 >>11529236 >>11529605
>>11529085
I simpified the explanation, but that's the gist of it.
Everything about it being smaller makes it cheaper to produce, hence 1:18 always being cheaper than 1:12.

Here's an actual source i saved, because the internet has become worse and all info is slowly disappearing. Note the parts about cavitation, which means 1:18 is naturally going to be much cheaper when it comes to molding, because it's smaller.

Do you have any source for any of the bullshit you've spouted? You claimed it's highly documented, so where's the documentation?

>Once again, we're not talking about the MSRP. We're talking about the cost to the manufacturer, and their margins.
Ok, so toy companies are charities, but only for 1:18? Or are you saying 1:18 scale is being subsidized by the government?
How much shit do you eat, retard?

What retarded excuse are you going to make up, because you're talking about public-companies-that-needs-to-charge-the-maximum-they-can-for-maximum-profits-to-make-their-shareholders-happy and literally saying they're charging less for their 1:18 when production costs supposedly went up that there's practically no cost difference between 4" and 6"?

I await your ridiculous excuse on why you can't give me an answer, retard.

>ib4 4H's made up lie that is unsupported by 100% of other toy companies
Anonymous No.11529164 >>11529236 >>11529590 >>11530781
>>11529114
NTA but I really would love a whole thread dedicated to discussion of the process behind toy manufactury. I have only a layman's grasp on the concept and nobody online really discusses the subject at length. It's a fascinating matter and I have nothing but questions. Ever since I discovered the extended shelf lives some toylines can lead abroad it's left me to wonder what the process for buying second hand molds is even like. Looking online I can only ever seem to find chinese sellers listing molds for simple items like plastic chairs, baby dolls, rubber ducks, etc. I want to know how the funskool indians managed the secure the Kenner Batman molds or how the South Korean company Goldlok Toys salvaged the Trendmasters Robby the Robot mold. Are there just massive caches of undestroyed molds stored away across the whole of East Asia?
Anonymous No.11529236 >>11529590 >>11529590
>>11529114
You're too dumb to argue with. You're ignoring the commonly known fact that all different types of plastic parts need their own molds. Therefore any 4" or 6" figure at an absolute minimum needs 3 different molds since every figure has Pvc (limbs, heads, etc), Pom (joints discs, hip posts, etc), and Abs (torso halves usually) parts.

>>11529164
>I really would love a whole thread dedicated to discussion of the process
That sounds like hell. You get numnuts like the anon above who have no idea what they're talking about arguing to the death with incorrect info.
Anonymous No.11529590 >>11529710
>>11529236
>you asked me for any proof to back up my claims that 1:18 costs nearly as much to produce as 1:12 but i won't tell you cause you're too dumb!
It's like I'm really talking to a 2nd grader.

>>11529164
I've been on /toy/ since it was created in 2008 and there's never been any person who has first hand or even second hand knowledge about the molds.
We've had employees and artists who've worked at toy companies posting here before, but none of them knew what was going on in China or the manufacturing process. IT seems only the higher ups know anything about that shit... and Chinese slaves, but they don't know english, thus have never posted on any English speaking website.
I've been to a lot of panels where industry people talk, but they're not on the technical side of things, so they don't even know about the plastics that they use.

Personally, i have relatives who have produced toys, but they don't produce action figures. They've only produced trinkets and figurines. Most of my knowledge is about molds and a little about paint.

Fuckwits like >>11529236 just muddy up the waters, because they heard from some random poster on the internet who heard it from some some anonymous guy who sounded kinda knowledgable that toy manufacturing for 1:18 suddenly got expensive for no reason at all, so that's the gospel truth from now on. And if it gets repeated, it's an undeniably a fact, because that's the only documentation that's needed, because who cares about an actual source (a 4H interview where they lied to justify their high prices and scale switch).

pic of a mold and how much shit you can fit on it. Imagine a smaller toy being able to fit even more shit on here because their pieces are smaller, thus saving money on creating another mold....
Anonymous No.11529605 >>11529668
>>11529114
I mean all I know is theres a quote from the transformers fandom comic about scout figures costing roughly the same as a DLX figure so it wasn't worth it to them to make the smaller figures.
I always figured it was the same with 1:18 and 1:12 especially since the industry pivoted so hard. And the old reasoning from getting rid of 1:12 is that companies like 1:18 because they had smaller retail footprint allowing for more product to be sold.
So I assumed that when the smaller product price went up it lead to bigger product being seen as more reasonable.
but thats just my view from that limited knowledge and nothing else myself.
Anonymous No.11529668
>>11529605
When was that comic made?
After 2015?

And i really don't know much about Transformers. I've bought a couple in the past decade, but never really looked at their construction and don't even know what a deluxe or scout is. All i know is that most of them aren't even the size of a ML and sometimes not even the size of a vintage GI Joe.
I vaguely recall paying more for those smaller TFs than a 1:18 figure, but that's okay since it's probably made of more pieces due to it being able to transform.

>And the old reasoning from getting rid of 1:12 is that companies like 1:18 because they had smaller retail footprint allowing for more product to be sold.
That's a reason why 1:18 figures still get made. Logistics are just cheaper.
But at the same time, did you know that Hasbro switched the GI Joe line to being 8" figures, because they thought the bigger packaging would attract more customers? Plus, the bigger price tag would mean they'd make more money too. They did this when GI Joe was selling well too, so it wasn't even a desperation move. They were just taking striking while the iron was hot and would have be a brilliant move.... if people actually wanted 8" figures.
Unfortuantely they didn't and it's probably part of the reason why Hasbro killed the ML line, because GI Joes sold a lot better years later when they launched the 25th line in 1:18.

Anyway, only reason the industry has pivoted to 1:12 so hard is because toy sales are down and you can charge more for 1:12 figures. If someone can only buy a single Wolverine figure this year, they'd rather you pay $30 instead of $18.
Also, since people are into habit buying, they tend to stick to one scale. So if 1:12 is popular, that only makes 1:12 more popular, making more companies produce more 1:12 figures instead of 1:18 ones.
... and on that same token, it's why i've slowed down a lot in toy buying, because i prefer 1:18. There just aren't as many 1:18 toys being produced now.
Anonymous No.11529710 >>11529749 >>11529767
>>11529590
You are so dumb. EACH DIFFERENT TYPE OF PLASTIC NEEDS ITS OWN FUCKING MOLD. You keep ignoring this time and time again. Do you even know all the various types of plastics that make up a single figure?
Anonymous No.11529749 >>11529782 >>11529927
>>11529710
>retard still desperately bullshitting and not providing any proof
Again, why did costs suddenly go up for 1:18 but not 1:12? Why would a toy company eat the costs for 1:18 but not 1:12?
Again, you won't answer because you're a retard making shit up to defend some bullshit some guy who made an agreeable statement that pleased you (so he must be right), who heard it from some other guy who heard it from an admin of a message board who read a bullshit interview.

Again, here's proof for what I've been claiming, because what i claim actually happens. Look at how many pieces can fit on a single mold, because the figure is 7". Imagine how many more pieces could fit if was 4" instead.

BTW, your entire argument you're pushing is shit. The joints may be made of a different plastic, but since the engineering is shared across the entire line (like Hasbro's), they /might/ have a single mold for all joints they need to create for every body. Whereas unique sculpts (like the heads, torsos, arms, etc) require unique molds, like pic, and they're going to save momey with smaller sculpts by fitting more pieces per mold.

Again, what changed so much that using fewer molds now costs more money? I expect another retarded answer and no proof, because I'm talking to a 2nd grader.
Anonymous No.11529767 >>11530030
>>11529710
Don't bother. It's Subjectanon you're dealing with. He will completely ignore reality and proclaim he's right regardless of what you say, because he is genuinely incapable of comprehending he might be wrong. See:
>Mezco Hulk having mismatched shades of green
>Mezco Darkseid having shitty elbows
>Bandai, 4H and JoyToy not being the literal devil
>Finely detailed model kits of guns being more expensive than single-piece castings in soft plastic
>1/12 having some advantages over 1/18 (more room to engineer joints without them being ugly, fragile or limited, being better suited to character-focused lines, etc)
>Figuarts-style faceprinting being better for realistic faces than manually painting faces on anything with lower budget than a Hot Toys
>Realism and IRL scaling being non-issues with a line where heavy stylization is the goal
>McFarlane not having invented the concept of a sphere
>McFarlane Saitama's full paintjob being a mistake
>McFarlane's concept of scale being borderline nonexistent (seeing a theme emerge?)
He also stopped us getting a sticky.
Anonymous No.11529782 >>11529818
>>11529749
Holy fuck, you really can't put two and two together??? Let's say both a 4" figure and a 6" figure have pvc (head, limbs), abs (torso halves), and pom (the joints discs, neck peg, hip bar, etc) parts. Just keeping it simple for your dumb brain even though there is usually another plastic type or two for softer parts or accessories. Let's say each mold has more than enough space for all the parts of each plastic type for each figure. So that means each will need 3 different molds. Let's just say the cost for each mold is 5K. Each one has a tooling cost of 15K in that example. Yet the 4" figure can't be sold for as high a cost as the 6" figure at retail. So the company has much smaller margins on the 4" figure. Is this simple enough for your smooth brain to understand?

>joints may be shared across multiple figures and they can share tooling
That almost never happens with different sculpts. Almost every sculpt's limbs have different proportions so the joints are usually different. Also, most joints are 'insert molded' which is a kind of two part process where the joint itself is manually placed into the cavity of the mold for the limb so the pvc plastic is injected around it and thus no peg is needed. The 'pinless' joints. Those joints need to be the exact dimensions of the figure's limb or part so they can't just have a universal joint shape to use for many figures unless they would be limiting what they can sculpt and the proportions the limbs can have
Anonymous No.11529818 >>11529820
>>11529782
>still no proof
>just more retarded rationalizations that was immediately disproven by images showing molds having limited space and how they would benefit from the pieces being smaller
Again, you haven't answered why for profit companies are acting like charities when they produce 1:18 figures, because prices for their toys remain consistently in line for at least 20 years.

You claimed there's documented proof for the changes in production costs, yet are completely ignoring my requests for these documents.

Is there any source for anything you claim, besides your anus?

I've asked you at least 3 times so far and you've failed to back up anything you say.
I know now to expect nothing but bullshit non-answers, because you've proven you're a retard.

pic of how companies save money by standardizing important pieces.... like joints that remain consistently the same size in action figure lines.
Anonymous No.11529820 >>11529855
>>11529818
Jesus christ. And yes, fantastic example of the standard LEGO brick! That's completely the same thing as super articulated action figures.
Anonymous No.11529855 >>11529858 >>11529899
>>11529820
>still no proof
>ignores answering any questions that would prove anything he claims
>ignores point about joints also being standardized
sure is desperate retard who can't admit he's full of shit, because he can't sully his name on an anonymous message board.

What's the point of lying about how 1:18 are nearly as expensive as 1:12?
Are you really just a retard going down with his sinking ship or is there some other motive?
Do you work for 4H, who made up the stupid lie in the first place?

pic of how toys need to be sculpted with Hasbro's joints in mind, because Hasbro standardized the engineering to reuse the same joints as much as possible to save money/time
Anonymous No.11529858 >>11529882
>>11529855
>Do you work for 4H, who made up the stupid lie in the first place?
Prove it's a lie.
Anonymous No.11529882 >>11529897 >>11529956
>>11529858
I already did, with the fact that toy companies aren't charging more for 1:18 figures than they did compared to 1:12 across two decades . Dozens of companies not increasing their prices unevenly proves 4H are liars who were only covering their ass for overcharging when they decided to switch scales.

Again, why would multiple, for profit, public companies that need to do everything their power to keep stock holders happy act like charities by eating the cost for 1:18 figures?
you can't answer and will only continue making bullshit up, because you're a retard.

Just like you won't offer any sources for your bullshit.

Just like you can't give any documented proof for the things you said were highly documented.

You can't prove anything you've said, because you're just repeating a lie.
Anonymous No.11529897
>>11529882
You need to be medicated
Anonymous No.11529899
>>11529855
lol no figures even use joints like that. Those are placeholders used by sculptors. But right, you are the intelligent one here who knows everything.
Anonymous No.11529908 >>11529956 >>11530822 >>11530838
>>11525067 (OP)
Poorfags didn't want to pay $15 for G.I. Joe 50th Anniversary figures, despite that Hasbro tried to make them more desirable as 2-packs. Now Hasbro doesn't even make 1:18 Joe's anymore outside of the occasional o-ring figure. And now the new normal price for figures is $30.

I hope poors are happy that they're the reason toys they want keep going away.
Anonymous No.11529927 >>11529956 >>11529980
>>11529749
my guy, I have no dog in this fight but a lot of what you've been saying is just flat out incorrect. No figures use standardized joints unless they are the exact same buck. Like all Bucky Cap body figures have the same joints obviously, but every other male ML no matter how similar the sculpt is, has all different joints. The shapes, sizes, thicknesses, raised ridges on the inside or outer sides of them are all going to be different. You're at the point where the other guy is making valid point and you're just making stuff up to support your flailing argument.
Anonymous No.11529956 >>11530003 >>11530026
>>11529882
>I already did, with the fact that toy companies aren't charging more for 1:18 figures than they did compared to 1:12
See >>11529908. 1:18 collectors aren't prepared to pay as much as 1:12 collectors per figure (which somewhat makes sense as you need more figures for a display to look good in 1:18 compared to 1:12), so the only way to get 1:18 to stay at the same price is to simplify everything (like Hasbro did).
If you know anything about plastic manufacture you'll know that tooling the exact same set of figure parts at 1:18 and 1:12 scale isn't going to incur a very different cost between the two, as it's parts-count rather than size that ramps up injection mold costs; if a 1:18 figure has the same number of parts as a 1:12 one it'll likely cost much the same to produce the molds for, and if it's more complex (lots of different types of plastic requiring their own molds, more complex post-molding assembly/processing like rivets or pins, etc) it might cost more. If people are willing to pay more for a product that doesn't cost much more to produce, it makes sense to produce more of that product.
Of course, premium 1:18 lines do exist, like JoyToy and Hiya, but certainly at "Western retail level" it's just not as economically viable compared to 1:12.
>>11529927
>No figures use standardized joints unless they are the exact same buck
Not to defend Subby, but lines like Figma and Revoltech actually build their figures around standardized, modular joints. However, that's not relevant to what's being discussed here as most Western companies don't do that, and they STILL need a separate mold.
Anonymous No.11529980 >>11530003 >>11530006
>>11529927
I was referring to various lines, and you yourself admit that they share joints even within lines like ML. we all know how common reuse is, especially with mass market toylines.
Tons and tons of lines have standardized joints. Ever handled Hasbro's GI Joes from the 1980s til 2015? Lots of shared joints and construction, despite engineering being changed with every revamp/reboot, because it costs less money by reusing the same joints. This is why it's so easy to customize those figures, unlike MLs. Okay, maybe there was some bitching about the 25th+ figures being harder to customize, because they fused the torso shut instead of screwing it in, but that actually sped up taking the figures apart.
And even collector lines try and standardize it, hence pic. Lines like Figma and Revoltech may have various sizes of joints, but those were standardized nonetheless

And everything he's said is based on a lie, so how can he have a valid point? Stating a fact, like toys use different plastics, doesn't validate his retarded claim that 1:18 toys are nearly as expensive to make as 1:12 figures
Anonymous No.11530003 >>11530026
>>11529980
Holy shit you are just so dense. ML has no standardized joints. You are just spewing incorrect info. You don't even know what you're saying.

>Lots of shared joints and construction, despite engineering being changed
The peg head shape being the same and allowing parts to be swapped does not equate to identical joints. The detail, diameter of the disc, internal detents, etc are often different for every single figure.

>>11529956
Thankfully everything this anon says is accurate and he knows what he's talking about. 4" vs 6" tooling cost is minimal, if different at all since it's due to part count (which for super posable figures is basically the same no matter what size) and different type of plastics.

I know there ARE lines that use standardized joints among all figures like Figma, Mafex, Revoltech but like you said, Hasbro's domestic lines are being discussed here so that's not relevant. Thank god there's at least one other sane, rational person here
Anonymous No.11530006
>>11529980
>Stating a fact, like toys use different plastics, doesn't validate his retarded claim that 1:18 toys are nearly as expensive to make as 1:12 figures
You're soooo close to figuring it out buddy. Keep on thinking hard and maybe it'll make sense. Every type of plastic needs its own mold. Same number of molds for a 4" figure vs a 6" figure means.......you're so close!
Anonymous No.11530026 >>11530030
>>11529956
>toy companies are charities
LMAO
Completely clueless.

Companies like Hasbro won't even produce a line if it cant sell in the hundreds of thousands, hence licensing their shit off to companies like Super7 and Hiya Toys to sell to tens of thousands of figures. Yet you think they'll take a hit on their profits, just to please their customers? LOL WUT. Why have they raised their prices a hundred times in the past 5 years if they're that charitable then?
You have some mindboggling retarded logic.

Nevermind small companies like Super7 and Hiya are even more sensitive to changing costs than giant companies like Hasbro, so they're even less likely to act like charities. So even a small size difference made Hiya price PIC RELATED $5 more than the rest of their 1:18 Dredd toys. Yet somehow Hiya sells their 1:18 figures for a lot less than their 1:12 figures, as explained here >>11529024

You're as retarded as that other guy.

>>11530003
>still no proof
>still not answering questions for what was supposed to well documented
Sure is a retard who knows he's wrong and can only nitpick to hide the fact everything he said was a lie.
Anonymous No.11530030 >>11530034
>>11530026
>Hasbro can't sell 1:18 at the same profit margins as 1:12 without cutting back engineering
>They try that, people stop buying it
>Hasbro realizes 1:18 is no longer profitable, and they switch focus to 1:12
How they hell do you extrapolate "Hasbro is a charity" from what I said? Are you dense? Are you retarded?
Oh wait, this is Subjectanon we're talking about (see >>11529767). What did I expect?
Anonymous No.11530034 >>11530035 >>11530039
>>11530030
>i'm going to take what you said literally, so i don't have explain how retarded my beliefs are. Thus, you're wrong and I'm right
So... you guys are never going to provide any proof to any of the claims that retard made and just make up bullshit arguments all day long?
Anonymous No.11530035
>>11530034
You first, Subby.
Anonymous No.11530039 >>11530067
>>11530034
You know what happens when you ask Chat GPT?
Anonymous No.11530067 >>11530072 >>11530073
>>11530039
>can't provide any proof for his retarded claims
>can't provide any source despite saying there was documentation
>b-b-b-but AI answer!
Oh, is this why you keep pushing your stupid lie? Because if you repeat the lie long enough and at enough places, AI will start repeating it too?

... but why do you want a lie to be accepted as fact anyway?

Explain your retard logic, retard.
Anonymous No.11530072
>>11530067
>Could I be wrong?
>No! Anon has infiltrated ChatGPT's servers and trained the AI to give an answer that disproves my deranged fanfic!
Anonymous No.11530073 >>11530082
>>11530067
Yes, you found me out. I've been repeating these same false claims online on multiple sites for the last 15 years just so at this very moment, I can ask AI to answer with the correct response and I'd be able to trick you with a false answer. You caught me.
Anonymous No.11530082 >>11530107
>>11530073
>still won't answer questions
>still can't provide any proof despite being asked for source his claims of documentation
>but I'll argue about this new thing instead so i don't have to admit retarded and dumb my lies are
ok retard
Anonymous No.11530107 >>11530120
>>11530082
Even if people took the time to find some odd video or interview where every point of yours is debunked, you'd still find the most irrelevant little point to explain it away and say it's not the same or the person from the company is lying or something. You're neurotic.
Anonymous No.11530120
>>11530107
>still can't answer any questions
>won't provide proof of documentation
>BUT WHAT IF
sure is retard with a retarded lie he needs to defend in every way except facts or proof
Anonymous No.11530592
>>11528040
Disney has no love and care for the uniqueness of what they buy. They only see where money can be made and know humans sell better for the most part. It's just math to them, not art.
Anonymous No.11530781 >>11530815 >>11531669
>>11529164
I heard a lot of tools just get dumped in the sea when they can't afford to store them
Anonymous No.11530815 >>11531752
>>11530781
WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE OF THIS? I NEED PROOF!! How dare you say things that have been repeated around the internet without cold, hard proof here!!
Anonymous No.11530822
>>11529908
You mean $25. They haven't increased regular figures to 30......yet
Anonymous No.11530838 >>11530882 >>11535481
>>11529908
3.75 Action figures shouldn't cost nearly $20. Maybe the issue doesnt come from the consumer not wanting to pay rape prices at the store and more on companies greed
Anonymous No.11530882 >>11535481
>>11530838
How do you stop corporate greed? It is mandated by law in public companies.
Anonymous No.11531476 >>11531478
>>11525067 (OP)
that the 3.75 line (marvel universe?) absolutely mogs their 6 in line. always feels like it's alot more detailed and has more paint (even if its quite sloppy at times).
Anonymous No.11531478
>>11531476
Anonymous No.11531611 >>11531612
>>11525067 (OP)
I went to one of the local antique shops in my area and they happened to have an 3.75 electro figure i missed getting when i was a kid
Anonymous No.11531612 >>11531659
>>11531611
Heres the back of the card. So glad i got this today
Anonymous No.11531659
>>11531612
>GET THE EXCLUSIVE NICK FURY MAIL AWAY FIGURE
>offer valid 6/01/09-12/31/09
Anonymous No.11531669 >>11531749
>>11530781
I've heard that for a number of years too, but I've seen n real confirmation of ir outside of the toyarmada podcast. Archer claimed that they sometimes get used as anchors, but more often than not just get recycled for the materiall
Anonymous No.11531749 >>11531764 >>11531779 >>11532153 >>11532155
>>11531669
Whether it's true or not, it's well known that China does leave the molds out to rot.
4H's had theirs held hostage by their factory over a decade ago and was basically left outside somewhere. NECA had to intercede to get their shit back, before rust developed.

I wouldn't doubt that their being dumped into the ocean is some telephone game type shit, where they heard from forum guy who heard it from another forum in an interview with a moderator from a toy company's message board telling a joke about how rusted their molds got from China's "storage system". Rust = they got thrown into the ocean.
Shit like this is why we get people believing making smaller toy costs nearly the same as larger toys.

People on /toy/ also used to believe that having a master license meant that the toy company sublicensed it out to other toy companies. As if a company like Fox or disney would be stupid enough to let another company middleman and profit off of their own licensing deals.
This dumb belief probably came about because Hasbro had the license for Star Wars collector dolls and stopped producing them before the license ended. Since Hasbro and LucasFilm's contract was so important, Lucas allowed part of that license to get transferred, so that Sideshow/HotToys could start making Star Wars dolls.
PS, master license just means they can produce the largest amount of shit (3" action figures, 5" action figures, napkins, diecast cars, roleplaying toys, silly string cannisters, etc). So this title is more akin to how the largest bedroom in the house is called the master bedroom, just because it's the biggest.
Anonymous No.11531752 >>11531771 >>11531779
>>11530815
I know Aaron Archer, who used to work for Hasbro, offhandedly mentioned how sometimes molds get dumbed as anchors or artificial barriers. This is within multiple hours of videos though so no way I can point you to an exact video.
Anonymous No.11531764 >>11531774 >>11531778
>>11531749
Does spinmaster or mcfarlane have the master dc figure license right now or is that a unique situation where they have equal parts of the pie so neither is the master license?
Anonymous No.11531771 >>11531937 >>11532158
>>11531752
It should be known that molds have a limited lifespan. At around a million presses, they're cracked, chipped, and lost a lot of the detail. So even if some company wants to produce cheapo bootlegs and don't care if some detail is missing, it's too dangerous to actually use them, because they''ll explode and damage their machinery.

Maybe some collector would want the well worn mold for sentimental value, but who has the money to even ship some 150lb hunk of metal? It's like going on eBay to buy some kid's well used Raphael action figure with all the paint rubbed off for $3,000, but only for the torso and feet, because the guy who stole the mold couldn't find the mold with the arms and head.

Old mold that reached their limits are just industrial trash and get dumped accordingly.
Molds that don't reach that limit are supposed to be archived and stored safely somewhere, maybe to get reused again in the future. It's how the original Millenium Falcon from te 70s was released in the 90s. It's how GI Joes from the 80s got re-released in the 00s, albeit the molds refurbished to fix worn out detail and new molds created for parts they couldn't restore.
Since redecos and retools became more common in the 00s and on, more molds are getting trashed instead of saved.
Anonymous No.11531774
>>11531764
Mattel had the master license before and that had to be split into multiple pieces, and then split again, because the DC license is pretty expensive.
Only a few companies could afford a master license... which is why Mattel has it again. WB needs $$$$$$.
Anonymous No.11531778
>>11531764
Mattel had the master license before and that had to be split into multiple pieces, and then split again, because the DC license is pretty expensive.
Only a few companies could afford a master license... which is why Mattel has it again. WB needs $$$$$$.

OH, and there's no such thing as a "action figure master license." Master license is used for being able to produce much more than just one category of toys, hence Mattel making Batman for teething rings, diecast Batman cars, Batman action figures, roleplaying Batarangs, Batcave playsets, Batman skateboards, Batman figurines, etc
Anonymous No.11531779 >>11531785
>>11531749
>>11531752
Another person who worked in the toy industry mentioned on a youtube video that molds do get used as boat anchors too. I forget who it was, but it wasn't Archer. I think it may have been Vala
Anonymous No.11531785
>>11531779
>Bobby Vala
That man is a retard.
Anonymous No.11531937
>>11531771
Yet somehow chinamen still make butt&legs of bishoujos with intact detail to this day
Anonymous No.11532153
>>11531749
Does anyone know of a service where people can buy molds like that? I have scoured various online resources to no real avail. Most of the time chinese sellers offer molds to simple unlicensed items like children's chairs, toy cars, plastic zoo animals, tea sets, etc. What I'd kill to see are "vintage" molds up for grabs. I cant shake the sense that they're out there and I've had a fantasy for years now of somehow obtaining them and building a whole cottage industry off the backs of salvaged finds.

I mention this example often around /toy/ but knowing the Kenner Batman molds survived and are still seeing use in India confounds me. I desperately wish I could save them, maybe even put them to use domestically by joining forces with a companies like Green Toys, Luke's Toys, or Timmee Toys just to make it all happen. That is even if the end results would remain unpainted or whatever. Hell there are likely dozens of vintage Marx and Ideal molds gathering dust in random barns across rural America. I'm dreaming big here but imagine how cool it'd be to bring back the Marx Dinosaurs.

FWIW I'm aware of the whole kerfuffle regarding the common misconception of how master licenses work. What gets me is how infrequently you'll see people try to get around issues like that nowadays. Back in the 70's low rung toy companies would label slap anything they could nab the license to onto existing products they had access to. That's how you'd end up with parachuting Superman figurines or Spiderman water guns. I'm certain similar outcomes could be realized nowadays but it's almost like nobody bothers to try.
Anonymous No.11532155 >>11532543
>>11531749
Out of curiosity regarding manufacturing processes, why is it America and other developed economies can no longer tool their own molds? With all the advancements we've seen in 3D printing and CNC machines, how come we cant just use that tech to produce molds domestically? Has it all just put on hold for the sake of globalism or is it a truly "lost art" outside of china?

Furthermore, are we on the cusp of further significant advancements in 3D printing processes? It seems like every year there's some quiet new application being made with it such as real estate/construction or full color resin printers that would eliminate the need for deco application. How come these processes arent yet mainstream?
Anonymous No.11532158 >>11532269 >>11532543
>>11531771
In that case, how were bootleg toys produced in the past? Were new molds created based off existing products and manufactured with cheaper materials? How did they re-engineer toys for the sake of easier manufactury? How do the big dogs keep an archive of their mold backlogs if chinks are such unworthy business partners? Also, what are the chances of a black market for molds existing in china? I bring up that last question in particular because I suspect as much was the case with various "lost" toybiz molds.
Anonymous No.11532269 >>11532543 >>11532960
>>11532158
NTA but sometimes bootlegs constructed new molds using reverse engineering the existing figure, but rumors say other times bootlegs were the same factory that made the figure just doing extra runs and selling them on the side.
Anonymous No.11532543 >>11532545 >>11532961
>>11532158
>>11532269
Traditionally, bootlegs are made from remolding a toy. So yeah, brand new mold, but usually horrible quality (bad molds or/and shitty molding methods (not high pressure molds)). If you ever saw good quality bootlegs before 2010, they mostly came from stolen molds

And yes, the official factories did start to work afterhours to produce more figures (paint is sloppier, flashing not removed) or possibly they were just "remainders" (almost no difference from the real thing). This started happening in the 10s, likely cause some factory didn't get all the demands it wanted from a toy company.
Toy factories had their slaves revolting in the late 2000s, so a lot of changes started happening then. It's why Marvel decided to shut down Toy Biz, because the future of toy making was uncertain. It's part of why 1:18 scale became so popular to produce, because toy companies needed make up for the sudden increase of costs by focusing on figures that were cheaper to produce.
Since factories love to lie and toy companies pinch pennies, toy factories weren't completely satisified with the new payments/conditions they negotiated, so they started to "steal" from their masters... but they didn't take the actual molds, because someone can actually verify the molds are gone. Taking up factory time and using the molds off hours isn't (always) monitored.

There are toy company reps who monitor this shit, who also check the storage conditions, but they aren't there 24/7.

>>11532155
The factories in China were all built by Americans. IF they weren't built by Americans, the quality that came out from those factories was pretty shit. Even Japanese made factories (for toys) in China were pretty shit until the 00s.
It's not until recent that China and India have had the money to build factories with good equipment.

And the reason why toys aren't made in the US is simply because slave labor in China is cheaper than paying an actual worker. Toy making requires no skills.
Anonymous No.11532545 >>11532557
>>11532543
>Since factories love to lie
>AHHH HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN WE GAVE A FOREIGN NATION THAT HATES OUR GOVERNMENT FULL TRUST IN MAKING A PRODUCT EXCLUSIVELY FOR US YET BOOTLEGS KEEP APPEARING ON THE AFTERMARKET
Anonymous No.11532557 >>11532559
>>11532545
It's not because of hate, but pure greed.

Chinese companies love to quote lower prices, but have a ton of hidden fees they don't tell you about. They also will use cheaper than promised materials or take short cuts.
This is why every big American toy company has company reps to monitor all that shit, because they know how China loves to pull that shady shit.

And again, it has nothing to do with hating on foreigners, because the chinese love to pull that shady shit on other chinese people. It's why fake foods exist in China. It's why gutter oil is used for their food. It's why their apartments and business centers are falling apart before they're even open. It's why their bridges collapse after a few years of use.

China love to rip themselves off to the point of killing themselves just to save a couple of dollars.
Anonymous No.11532559
>>11532557
>And again, it has nothing to do with hating on foreigners, because the chinese love to pull that shady shit on other chinese people.
Americans love to kill anyone for the state of Israel
Anonymous No.11532960
>>11532269
>but rumors say other times bootlegs were the same factory that made the figure just doing extra runs and selling them on the side.

I genuinely believe as much. You want a great example, look to both the Movie Star and 2012 Ninja Turtles.
>Bootlegged for a decade straight
>Visible mold degredation signs appear on later batches of the K.O.'s
>Suddenly the time comes for Playmates themselves to reissue both varieties of turtle
>The modern rereleases are massively reworked compared to past releases, are made from drastically different materials, and look worlds apart compared to "vintage" examples
>the nu-2012 releases dont even have matching feet, featured swollen looking head sculpts, and lack the same leathery skin detail present on the first releases.

The fact Playmates is a chinese company just adds to the theory IMO. Basically carrying out pic related IRL. "Who watches the watchmen?"
Anonymous No.11532961 >>11533500
>>11532543
>but they didn't take the actual molds, because someone can actually verify the molds are gone. Taking up factory time and using the molds off hours isn't (always) monitored.
>There are toy company reps who monitor this shit, who also check the storage conditions, but they aren't there 24/7.

Having seen how much of a pain the chinese are to work with online I can completely believe all this being the case. That said it does leave me to wonder what crazy stories the representatives from these companies may have. I'm old enough to remember the fallout of Toybiz, all the former Toybiz designers discussing the disappearances of certain molds in interviews, and Hasbro being tightwaded across the entire experience.

Do you have any insight on the differences in toy manufacturing outside of china? God knows how many toy molds are being housed across East Asia. The Koreans, Taiwanese, Thai, and Malaysians have all had pretty extensive manufacturing histories all things considered.

>And the reason why toys aren't made in the US is simply because slave labor in China is cheaper than paying an actual worker. Toy making requires no skills

Yeah I frankly expected that to be the answer. It's no different from the self-imposed restrictions American lawmakers have subjected automakers to for decades now. Corporate America effectively juryrigged the system to ensure manufacturing work would be outsourced, and you can see as much across the entirety of the West. Demonic shit. I wonder how much lawfare it'd take to undo the damages. Maybe automated manufacturing would clear up alot of the bullshit but people need work at the end of the day. It's a socio-political minefield.
Anonymous No.11533500 >>11534415
>>11532961
>Do you have any insight on the differences in toy manufacturing outside of china?
Like in America? Europe? Companies that make dolls and models follow the laws and the work is dull. There's not much drama, except for companies worrying about less profit.
In other 3rd world countries? Almost no stories, none memorable, probably becaue it's also dull and companies following laws. Generally, other 3rd world countries are where higher skilled work goes to. China gets the brain dead shit. Even stuff like the more technically involved Foxconn/iphone work is brain dead, because any woman and child can do that shit with an afternoon seminar.

>I wonder how much lawfare it'd take to undo the damages.
It's impossible to undo. Companies switched to overseas manufacturing because costs would go down 100%-400%. Since $2 toys stayed $2, instead of reflecting those cost savings (their defense: costs actually increased, because they had to spend money to build factories and train workers and now also have to deal with shipping across the ocean, so their short term profits were hurt. ignore the long term savings), that became the standard for their profit margins. There's no going back, unless they want their company to go bankrupt (15-30% decrease drop in profits would be massive for them).
It's like if Hasbro suddenly made 1:18 the main action figure lines instead of 1:12. Instead of making $28 per figure sold, they're now making $20. 29% dip in revenue is a massive hit, and this is why they're afraid of giving 1:18 more support than they already do.

And they don't mind licensing shit out to other companies to make 1:18, because they sell that shit to another market and even the most successful collector lines only sell around 50k units per release. .... well, they did cockblock Hiya from releasing their GI Joes in the US. They're worried about Hiya GI Joes leeching sales from their Classified line, which points toward low sales for Classified.
Anonymous No.11534415 >>11534662
>>11533500
>They're worried about Hiya GI Joes leeching sales from their Classified line, which points toward low sales for Classified.
That's not how it works. Licensed third parties are seldom allowed to release product in the same market space as the main license-holder for fear of cannibalizing sales, regardless of how well whatever the main product is sells. Case in point, with Transformers Hasbro doesn't let licensed third parties produce transforming merch; Blokees weren't allowed to sell the Devastator frame parts to their Constructicon vehicle modes in the US for that reason. It's ridiculous and annoying for certain but them's the breaks, and it doesn't really have anything to do with how well the main line is selling.
I gotta be honest though I'm quite fond of Classified; I have Zarana and Roadpig and they're both superb figures for the price point. Also the animal companions they've been doing with them have been really good.
Anonymous No.11534662 >>11534663 >>11536418
>>11534415
>That's not how it works
But that is how it works.
There's different toys and markets, hence Bandai releasing their SHF Marvel figures (direct market, non-scale) in the US at the same time Diamond was making Marvel Selects (direct market, 1:10 scale) and Mezco was making their Marvel One:12 figures (direct market, 1:12 dolls).
Bandai also released their SHF TMNT figures (direct market, non-scale) in the US even though NECA was also producing TMNT (direct market, 1:10 scale) at the same time Playmates were producing theirs (children's toys, master license).

The fact you bring up "third party" TF knockoffs shows you don't really know what you're talking about.

Hiya officially licensed GI Joe from Hasbro, hence using the same exact designs from the Classified line. Unlike when Japanese companies only get the license for their region only (like Revoltech Star Wars), Hasbro did some extreme cockblocking with Hiya, because there were no vendors who wanted to import Hiya's GI Joes into the US. Retailers, like BBTS, who had deal with official distributors for Hasbro didn't wouldn't import those GI Joes, because Hasbro threatened to block them from buying MLs/StarWars/Transformers/etc in the future.

Hiya tried renegotiating again and again, but nothing worked out. It's only after working out deals with tiny indie stores that there are US stores that are willing to import them in the US, but again, still no medium sized vendors like BBTS and other toyshops that have official ties with Hasbro and their distributors.

btw, hiya's figures aren't the same license as Super7, since they're not nostalgiashit o-ring and use modern designs instead of the vintage designs.
Anonymous No.11534663 >>11534704
>>11534662
>The fact you bring up "third party" TF knockoffs shows you don't really know what you're talking about.
I'm talking about actual, licensed third-parties, subby. learn to read.
Anonymous No.11534704 >>11534713
>>11534663
>licensed
>third party
That's not how these terms work. Third party refers to companies who don't have licenses making their own renditions of TFs.

And either way, you don't understand how licenes work. Each one does their own thing, in their own scale, in their own market, as i pointed out.
Anonymous No.11534713 >>11534837
>>11534704
Technically, "third party" with reference to unlicensed TFs is a misnomer, but the term kind of stuck. Generally a "licensed third party" in this case would refer to independent companies (such as Hiya or Blokees) other than the main licensor (in this case Hasbro) being granted a license to produce merchandise for that property (in this case action figures for G.I. Joe, or model kits for Transformers). "Third party" in this case referring to them being totally independent of Hasbro and being granted a limited license to create product for Hasro's property.
In any event, you're arguing semantics and not even addressing my main point, which was that Hasbro tends not to let licensed companies release anything in their main market they think would cannibalize their own sales, often to the point of absurdity. The fact Hasbro didn't want Hiya releasing their Joe figures stateside doesn't mean Classified isn't selling well, that's just Hasbro being Hasbro.
Anonymous No.11534837 >>11535201
>>11534713
holy fuck, you're retarded.
You're just making up terms for being outted for not knowing words and are just arguing just to argue at this point.

And i literally explained how licenses work, giving 3 or 4 different examples, including how territories work.

>which was that Hasbro tends not to let licensed companies release anything in their main market they think would cannibalize their own sales
No shit? Hence cockblocking Hiya extremely hard, beyond the scope we've seen any other company do thus far, because they know that GI Joe fans want 1:18 figures and would cannibalize their 1:12 scales if released in the US.
We already saw Hasbro do similar shit, like the 1:18 Marvel line where they cut the budget in half to funnel collectors into buying the 1:12 lines.

And yes, GI Joe is selling poorly. The fact that they cockblocked Hiya is part of that sign. Another sign is shit going straight to Ross/Marshalls/TJMaxx and Hasbro's other GI Joe lines being canceled.

And no, pointing toward how successful GI Joe kickstarters are isn't a sign of success. Haslab only exists because of poor sales, because retailers don't want to carry those toys, and Hasbro not having any faith in their long term sales to make those Haslab projects anything but preorder only.
Anonymous No.11534919
>>11525162
>>11525131
Now that the four pack is on sale, I'm actually going to buy it, I do wish they had made a large Brainiac without Batman because the last thing I would even consider buying is another unwanted bit of plastic batwank.

When I was getting ready to pay for my box of loot as the shipping date had arrived on my pre-orders last fall, I took advantage of their holiday sales and snagged the Marvel 3.5 (?) or whatever they are of Cap and Cyclops for like $4-5 each, I don't really have any other Marvel so they are just random toys to toss in with all the Mattel DCU. I wouldn't ever consider buying any more.

>>11525214
I've never seen any in person, except for the joker and batman, which I had no interest in even looking.
Anonymous No.11535201 >>11535208
>>11534837
>holy fuck, you're retarded.
>You're just making up terms for being outted for not knowing words and are just arguing just to argue at this point.
OK retard. Sorry your ignorant ESL ass doesn't understand basic terminology.
>No shit? Hence cockblocking Hiya extremely hard, beyond the scope we've seen any other company do thus far, because they know that GI Joe fans want 1:18 figures and would cannibalize their 1:12 scales if released in the US.
It has nothing to do with Hasbro wanting fans to buy 1:12 instead of 1:18 or whatever schizo nonsense you seem to think it is. If they thought 1:18 would outsell 1:12 they'd make 1:18 figures themselves. Hasbro is just absurdly defensive over their own licensees not undercutting them, even if the actual risk is completely nonexistent. For example, nobody who was going to buy SS86 Devastator is going to decide not to by the existence of the Blokees one, but Hasbro still cockblocked it. Likewise, anyone who wants a 1:12 version of a G.I. Joe character isn't going to buy the Hiya ones instead on account of them being a completely different scale. Hasbro's just being retarded as usual.
As for Joe fans "wanting 1:18 instead of 1:12", people have been wanting Joe in different scales for literal decades, hence the large amount of customs people have done in 1:12 and even 1:6 (granted, the latter's more a callback to the pre-1:18 Joes). The market is there for both scales- Hasbro catering primarily to 1:12 is because there is more of a demand for it (along with the difficulties of making 1:18 viable and desirable at Western retail budgets in the current economy).
And if G.I. Joe was selling that badly they would have just canned the whole line, like they did with D&D or Starting Lineup. Considering Joe is basically a dead IP with only a very good but pretty niche comic for modern media, I'd argue it's doing pretty well.
Anonymous No.11535208 >>11535234 >>11535608
>>11535201
(Cont.)
>And no, pointing toward how successful GI Joe kickstarters are isn't a sign of success. Haslab only exists because of poor sales
Or, and get this, it's because the market can't support toys of that size and price at general retail anymore. Kids either don't care for or can't afford massive playsets or huge vehicles anymore, and the main market for them is older collectors, who expect more detail than a kid would and thus necessitate a higher (and even less retail-friendly) pricepoint.
The fact the HasLabs for Joe have been consistently funding, with even the Snow Cat (a more niche and less popular vehicle) getting funded, suggests that no, Classified is selling plenty well enough. Especially, again, considering G.I. Joe is a zombie IP with no current media outside the Skybound comics. Joe is very unlikely to go big again, but that doesn't mean Classified is at death's door, or indeed that a new 1:18 line would sell better than it.
Anonymous No.11535234 >>11535244 >>11536060
>>11535208
>it's because the market can't support toys of that size and price at general retail anymore.
1/18 appeals to children and GI Joe fans only, but without a cartoon, it only appeals to adult GI Joe fans. 1/12 appeals to GI Joe fans as well as adult action figure collectors (a much larger market). The only possible time we will ever see 1/18 dominate again is after the death of capitalism, but we'll all be dead by then, so learn to enjoy the 6" dick in your ass or move on!
Anonymous No.11535244 >>11535252 >>11535276
>>11535234
I uh, I don't think socialism is highly conducive to a thriving toy market, anon...
Anonymous No.11535252 >>11535253
>>11535244
Either way, enjoy the 6" inch dick in your ass or move on!
Anonymous No.11535253
>>11535252
Joke's on you, I prefer 1:12 anyway.
Anonymous No.11535276 >>11535281
>>11535244
We really need to break the fingers of stupid people who misuse the terms "socialism", "communism", etc. so we could be spared their stupidity.
Anonymous No.11535281 >>11535481
>>11535276
I could say the same thing for people who misuse the term "capitalism".
Anonymous No.11535481 >>11536060
>>11535281
Actually, people are using the word capitalism correctly. Take a look at some of the other posts in this thread:

>>11530838
>>11530882

Wherever you stand on 1/18 vs 1/12 (Mine is I don't hate 1/12, it just doesn't fit in my collection)., most of us feel that action figures have become too expensive and that the bigger companies are charging too much for what they're giving us. You can argue about whether or not this is "price gouging", but you have to admit that shareholders and a bunch of other people have to be paid in addition to the people actually producing the products and this is a big part of what is driving up prices.

I should also add that according to what I've read, the reason the Star Wars sequels were so haphazard was because the shareholders started screaming about how much money they paid and how they needed to see a return ASAP. Disney was forced to start rushing things in production as soon as possible and led to the issues that affected the trilogy.
Anonymous No.11535608 >>11536410
>>>11535208 it's because the market can't support toys of that size and price at general retail anymore.
LMAO. Holy fucking COPE!
Why are you arguing with me if you AGREED with what i've said? Fucking retard.

You're just arguing with me just to argue
You've rephrased shit to avoid saying that the FACT that Hasbro's GI Joe is selling poorly, hence Hasbro needing to go out of their way like no other company to cockblock Hiya to prevent cannibalization, canceling toylines, and their products not even appearing in major stores like Target/Walmart.
The market is shrinking because shit is selling poorly. If they had more popular shit that they could sell, the market would expand.

>schizo nonsense
There's nothing schizo for NOTICING there's a pent up market for products other than what they sell.
And again, Hasbro actively sabotaged their own toylines to make it less appealing to customers, to force them into buying the more expensive option. This is a very common business tactic you see with cars, electronics, and even services.

>The market is there for both scales
Yeah, there's a market, but the market was obviously bigger when they sold 1:18 figures. Their dolls? Basically dead. 8" figures? Dead. 2.5 figures? Dead. 6" figures? minimal support from retailers.

>And if G.I. Joe was selling that badly they would have just canned the whole line
Nice false dilemma. Something can sell poorly without being below cancellation numbers.

pic of better times. didn't even have a movie to push sales.
Anonymous No.11536060
>>11535234
>the market can't support
People had unspent cash and unspent desires after lockdown was over, so that's an outlier period. But if you look at economics globally, even if you want to fixate on western capitalism or fixate on developing third world markets, people were buying less and being pickier about it, largely due to shit being expensive, and not worth it, and the ready availability of cheap, disposable junk - be it toys, clothes, or garbage food,

We are getting back to that in the past two/three years. However, people are also realizing that some of this food is garbage, some of this clothes doesn't last/rips/falls apart, and the same for plastic junk like toys. So they are willing to pay for something they think has that value but have also decided that MUCH (whether we're talking toys in ANY SIZE) is not worth what companies/stores want to charge for it.
>>11535481
>that action figures have become too expensive
YEP
Anonymous No.11536410 >>11536418 >>11536651
>>11535608
>You've rephrased shit to avoid saying that the FACT that Hasbro's GI Joe is selling poorly
But they aren't. If they were, they'd have been dropped like a sack of potatoes like D&D.
>hence Hasbro needing to go out of their way like no other company to cockblock Hiya to prevent cannibalization,
Which has nothing to do with G.I. Joe selling poorly and everything to do with Hasbro's retarded protectionism.
Also, selling "poorly" is relative. Hasbro's Marvel and Star Wars slop is definitely selling poorly, largely because Marvel is dying and Star Wars is almost dead, in both cases thanks to Disney. G.I. Joe hasn't had mainstream media pushes in years and yet toys are selling out, more toys are being made and HasLabs being funded. Considering the only media for Joe is the Skybound comic, Classified seems to be doing pretty great.
>There's nothing schizo for NOTICING there's a pent up market for products other than what they sell.
There is a market, but not one big enough to sustain a full retail-level toyline, because the toy collector market has mostly shifted from 1:18 to 1:12. Not to say 1:18 is dead, but 1:12 has proven itself to be a more versatile and desirable scale for the most part.
>And again, Hasbro actively sabotaged their own toylines to make it less appealing to customers
Lmao, no. The economy/recession made 1:18 unviable. They could have kept making them as before, but they'd have needed to bump up the price, which would have put collectors off (especially as 1:18 works better for mass displays). So they simplified the figures to keep the price down, which killed interest in the line. As 1:12 doesn't cost proportionally more to make than people are willing to pay for it, they switched to it as their main scale.
>Yeah, there's a market, but the market was obviously bigger when they sold 1:18 figures.
Because the 1:18 market shrank and G.I. Joe hasn't had a media push in years.
Anonymous No.11536418 >>11536651
>>11536410
(Cont)
Also worth noting that 1:18's downfall at retail coincides with when lines like Figma, Revoltech and Figuarts took off, which A: absolutely knocked 99.9% of prior collector figures (East or West) into a cocked hat, and B: were mostly (roughly) 1:12. Once people took note of these really good figures coming out of Japan, they naturally wanted stuff that scaled to it, which Hasbro's 1:18 stuff didn't.
Also, once again, 1:18 just has fundamental downsides compared to 1:12, mainly in engineering. You just can't make a 1:18 figure of a normal human as poseable as you would at 1:12 without either making it fragile or weirdly proportioned. You can see this in >>11534662, which whilst definitely one of the better 1:18 figures out there, still has some slightly wonky proportions and clunky looking joints. Not terrible of course, but still noticably off proportionally compared to the Classified figure (even if I wish the latter used a chest balljoint rather than the antiquated crunch-joint).
Anonymous No.11536425
>>11525067 (OP)
Toy companies slowly realized the market for figures have shifted to adults and adjusted. Now they just need to realize adults actually want sexy looking females along with there buffed up male figures and not woke dei covered head to toe versions of them from a single run story comic written by a pronoun.
Anonymous No.11536560 >>11538456
I think we all need to accept gi joe is selling "enough" or else the line would be gone
Anonymous No.11536651
>>11536410
>still pushing "all or nothing" fallacy for sales, because low sales just above cancellation numbers can never be a thing or else I'd be wrong!
>it's protectionism in extreme ways that hadn't previously seen before... but it isn't protectionism from sale cannibalization because!
I might as well be talking to a flat earther.

>>11536418
Japan is making more 1:18 figures than ever though, and they actually relaunched Microman (the early 00s figures are still some of the most poseable figures ever made without looking wonky like Revoltechs) figures when Figma/Revoltech/Figuarts took off too.
They're even doing 1:20 scale figures now, probably because they know that costs are getting too high and need to switch to cheaper to produce figures to keep audiences interested.
Anonymous No.11538456 >>11538676
>>11536560
This, pretty much. They wouldn't even keep the line on life support, let alone do no less than four HasLabs for the line if it wasn't selling decently.
Anonymous No.11538676 >>11538970
>>11538456
>They wouldn't even keep the line on life support, let alone do no less than four HasLabs for the line if it wasn't selling decently.
No one is saying it's not selling, just that some guy is pretending GI Joe is selling better than it actually is. Multiple canceled sublines. Retail support halved and then entire waves showing up at discount stores because retailers couldn't sell their current shit. Hasbro being afraid of competing with collector toylines, despite collector lines being in another market place altogether.

And shit like Haslab is literally life support.
Preorder only exclusively at Hasbro's store, because retailers have no faith in customers buying it.
And Hasbro has no faith in consumers either, hence only making enough for the people who paid for it 2 years before it gets made/released.

If something sells decently, there wouldn't be so many special conditions required for the toyline to exist and all major stores would stock it.
I mean, during pursuit of Cobra, people were worried some shit was going down when vehicles started showing up at Ross/Marshalls/etc, but the actoin figures never did.
And the fact that the vehicles did show up at Ross/etc pointed toward an actual problem retail was having with large/medium sized vehicles no longer selling like before. This was affecting the entire toy industry, hence vehicles becoming a special occassion thing instead of being found with every wave/quarter.
Anonymous No.11538955 >>11538972
I think this might be the most autistic thread on /toy/ right now. Holy Shit.
Anonymous No.11538970 >>11539010
>>11538676
>And the fact that the vehicles did show up at Ross/etc pointed toward an actual problem retail was having with large/medium sized vehicles no longer selling like before.

This wasn't because of space issues, this was because the movie got pushed back due to poor test screenings and retailers ordered the first wave in preparation for the movie tie in money only to be sitting on displays full of Arctic Destro for 2 years, so by the time the movie actually did get released as Retaliation, the accompanied Retaliation line sold poorly on its first wave.
Anonymous No.11538972
>>11538955
Anonymous No.11539010
>>11538970
What are you talking about? What space issue? And you have your timeline all wrong.

Pursuit of Cobra (2010) happened years before the movie was originally going to be released and the Retaliation (2012) figures were already out when the delay happened. Everything up to wave 2.5 came out as originally planned and by the time the movie officially came out (2013), most stores dropped support... but were there any vehicles to release by then? AFAIK, every vehivle that was supposed to come out for Retaliation came out in stores, including the expensive Eaglehawk in 2013.

Also, Winter Destro came out in the second wave of PoC and the Ross/Marshalls/etc dump happened BEFORE the second wave was released, so stores never even had a chance to even see Winter Destro pegwarm. The first PoC actoin figure was was actually hard to find, because of how well they sold. This is also why Winter Destro pegwarmed so hard, because stores overordered the second wave due to first wave demand, which made unpopular characters like Winter Destro clog the pegs even harder.
Can't really comment on how wel the first vehicle wave sold for PoC though, because i rarely saw it, but the fact that the second wave was basically dumped....

Also also, people exaggerate how hard Winter Destro pegwarmed, because by 2011, the GI Joe line was selling well enough that it was difficult to find. Maybe stores underordered the line, but they pretty much sold out of everything.
Anonymous No.11539045 >>11539048 >>11539056 >>11539070
I miss when the industry was willing to come up with new IPs. You see SDCC this year? 99% existing IPs. Nostalgia revivals & ongoing franchises. Very little new. Video games are the same, "remasters" everywhere. I get remaking a PS1 game as they looked like shit, but does a game made for the Xbox 360 or later even benefit from a remaster? Some of them aren't even "remasters", they're just ports with minimal new features(looking at you, 99.9% of Nightdive Studios content).

Why is the industry afraid of making new stuff? Hollywood is not, streaming is not. Weapons is good. Kpop Demon Hunters is a success, this ine not even getting toys. But the rest of it? Not even trying. "Here's more toys of characters you already own! Re-buy this game with a new level added in!".
Anonymous No.11539048 >>11539066
>>11539045
Moose Toys is the hero we need
Anonymous No.11539056 >>11539066 >>11539620
>>11539045
Companies in general are afraid to invest in new and untested. They would rather invest in something that already has a following and build on that. As for making something new, it doesn't help that corporations use copyright and trademark laws to limit what "new" can even be made. Want to make a new superhero? You can't call it by that term because DC/Marvel jointly own it.
Anonymous No.11539066 >>11539347 >>11539442 >>11539620
>>11539056
their shared trademark of the term was actually cancelled sometime last year. they didnt actively defend it either, but I get your point. a better example would be nintendo's handle of palworld. it is interesting that monclones are permitted to exist as a genre but once you threaten to improve the basic gamefreak playbook they get all touchy.
>>11539048
Unironically yes. Lanard too even if they're nowhere as dynamic.
Anonymous No.11539070 >>11539707
>>11539045
Reminder that we lost Toys R Us, which means toy companies have lost their dumping ground in exchange for smaller toy departments
Anonymous No.11539347 >>11539580
>>11539066
I was not aware the trademark was cancelled and this is the best news I've received in awhile. I was concerned that an idea I've had might rely heavily on the concept, but that the term being trademark actually was discouraging.
Anonymous No.11539442 >>11539580 >>11539707
>>11539066
>a better example would be nintendo's handle of palworld. it is interesting that monclones are permitted to exist as a genre but once you threaten to improve the basic gamefreak playbook they get all touchy.
That was probably more down to the quite blatant use of modified Pokemon models in the game, and its general heavy "bootleg Pokemon" vibe they were quite intentionally inviting (with Tencent funding IIRC). Normally I don't care for LEAVE THE BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY ALONE shit but this seemed more like a case of Nintendo trying to dissuade crypto-Chinese copycats from undermining them. And, you know, literal asset theft.
Anonymous No.11539580 >>11539620 >>11539707
>>11539347
TBF even when it was trademarked it didnt stop many people from throwing their hat into the ring. At most you'd see indies and smaller competitors coining similar phrases to advertise their own ensembles of heroes.

>>11539442
Right but the thing is as long as they dont step on nintendo's toes the entirety of Palworld was as legally distinct from Pokemon as could be. From the onset the selling point was "Pokemon with guns". Nintendo is the Disney of the modern age, even with all the money Palworld made they're never going to be a real competitor to Pokemon proper. It's not that different from how they react to fan games.
Anonymous No.11539620 >>11539655
>>11539066
>>11539580
>>11539056
Completely forgot about superhero being copyrighted, because everyone used that term everywhere, freely, like people saying aspirin and singing Happy Birthday.

I think it's completely ridicilous to say that superhero being copyrighted somehow limited what could be made or marketed, because it never stopped a hundred million different superheroes that aren't from Marvel and DC from being made.

Pic is the Legendary Heroes toyline from Toy Biz.
Anonymous No.11539655 >>11539703
>>11539620
thats why the courts cancelled the trademark. it's too generic a term to be trademarked. it would be like trademarking the words "tree" or "soldier"
Anonymous No.11539703
>>11539655
Nah, it's more akin to trademarking "space marine"
Anonymous No.11539707 >>11539998
>>11539070
Thanks, Mitt Romney!

>>11539442
>>11539580
Capcom tried to sue Data East iin the 90s over a game clone. Capcom lost. The 80s were full of clones(and outright art theft for box art). But thanks to Metallica being pussies, ever since the Napster days copyrights have been a tightening mess.

And it's Nintendo. They threatened to round up & jail everyone who bought a Switch flash card. Fuck em.
Anonymous No.11539998 >>11540176
>>11539707
The fact that nintento has so many diehard fanboy company defenders when they do scummy shit like this all the time dumbfounds me
Anonymous No.11540176 >>11540193 >>11540194 >>11540986
>>11539998
If furries can defend an exposed rapist, or if Republicans can defend murderers, chomos & rapists, then nothing dumbfounds me.
Anonymous No.11540193
>>11540176
Lmfao true that. Also what person are the furfags defending now?
Anonymous No.11540194
>>11540176
>Republicans out of nowhere
You lost, Diosoth.
Anonymous No.11540724
All this talk about scale just makes me remember i dont think i enjoy toy collecting that much because 1:12 shit became the standard
Anonymous No.11540986 >>11542111
>>11540176
>If furries can defend an exposed rapist
Who? Elaborate
Anonymous No.11542111
>>11540986
Ignore him, it's one of our resident schizos.
Anonymous No.11542494
Boss Fight just showed some pics of their new Hellboy figures.