Thread 11530203

Is this to be the quality of action figure we are to expect in the future for $60? Is this our one and only unavoidable destiny?

>>11530203 (OP)
Only if you buy McFarlane crap. Trying buying good figure lines, there's plenty of em, and most don't cost $60 bucks a pop....yet.

>>11530233
Yeah well that's kind of my point: "Yet." Is McFarlane just a canary in a coal mine, and proof soon we'll just be getting bad looking domestics for $60 in the future?

>>11530234
No. Todd is just is full blown panic now that he lost the DC license and pretty much the only lines that ever had decent retail presence. The company revenue will absolutely plummet after this year so the wild price hikes are probably a last ditch effort to not have a catastrophic 2026

I wish they would do the face printing on this one, I want a figure of my frogfu to be as realistic as possible

>>11530359
McF is the only company that doesn't use any innovations form the last many year, right? Still no face printing, still no pinless elbows and knees, but double the price of the competition? Make it make sense. Even baby toy companies like Jakks and Jazwares use face printing now.

>>11530373
Four Horseman still refuses to do face printing as well and they charge like $40 a figure.

>>11530388
Four Horsemen doesn't need your money.

>>11530388
that seems different because their product is actually collector product not sold at retail and they pour a ton of care into sculpt and deco. They're also doing fantasy characters and not real actors.

>>11530203 (OP)
The thing that boggles my mind is that they would select this figure to be part of the Elite line when nobody gives a fuck about this character. Just give fans one of those robots instead and they'll probably pay. This figure would have pegwarmed even had it been put up for 50 dollars.

McFarlane is just a huge dimwit, that's why he lost the DC license in the first place. Few things would have ensured him keeping the line forever
>proper articulation
>no bullshit gimmicks like sideeyes
>proper character selection with key female characters not being impossible to find
>don't mess with the prices so much
It's true that the latter might not be possible with the current market situation but I feel like the other points are valid enough as objective criticism

>>11530427
>McFarlane is just a huge dimwit, that's why he lost the DC license in the first place
didn't read beyond this because you're a fucking retard. companies lose licenses because other companies pay more for them. kys.

>>11530429
Damn you McToddler McFarthuffers can't stop cock sucking your retard in charge huh?

>>11530429
>companies lose licenses because other companies pay more for them
I understand you're a troll but just for the record, are you trying to say that companies usually lose licenses despite being the best possible options and selling loads of figures?

Just for everyone else who isn't a complete brainless retard like you are. When a company is being successful with their sales by giving consumers what they desire, you have plenty of money to actually continue paying for the license. McFarlane made so many poor business choices leading to pegwarmers all over the place that the entire line ended up being a prime example on how to not conduct a toy line

>>11530433
Explain why the Fortnite license going to Hasbro was a good idea when Jazwares was making better toys

>>11530431
>>11530433
one of the largest toy companies in the world paid more for the rights to sell dc toys than a smaller company and somehow this is beyond your comprehension. kill yourselves.

>>11530434
I only remember tons of threads shitting on Jazwares' Fortnite figures but I see the same amount of bitching in relation to Hasbro.
Do you mind mentioning how Jazwares' quality was superior? Genuine question because I never got around to comparing the two

>>11530435
Why exactly did Mattel lose the license a few years ago if they're one of the biggest companies who can pay for the license according to you?
Do you actually know how businesses work and what return on investment means? It's not that big of a concept for an adult to grasp

>>11530437
>Why exactly did Mattel lose the license a few years ago if they're one of the biggest companies who can pay for the license according to you?
because you're a fucking imbecile that doesn't remember how dire the state of mattel's run was. poor distribution, pegwarmers, constant clearance. despite this, they still paid for the license to make diecast cars and baby toys. you'd know this if you ever came close to having a fucking smidgen of sense you fuckin retard. kill yourself. immediately

>>11530429
McFarlane is bottom-barrel even for western collectible action figures. Like what company DOESN'T surpass them at this point?

>>11530444
Jada, because their waves take five years to release.

>>11530444
despite this, they made the best dc figures to ever hit mass market retail and have maintained retail presence for like 30 years. just because you don't like their products doesn't mean they haven't managed to succeed.

>>11530447
>they made the best dc figures to ever hit mass market retail
Holy Shit they have set back the industry and hobby by DECADES from how much damage McToddster has done to the DC brand which doesn't help at all which how sloppy the movies have been to get new fans interested.

>>11530443
>poor distribution, pegwarmers, constant clearance
It's almost as if, surprise, they made poor business decisions leading to poor sales. How can anyone be this dense? First, you're arguing that any company with money can buy and hold a license and now you're saying that poor business decisions lead to losing a license.

>they still paid for the license to make diecast cars and baby toys
Yes, they had the license to make the products that sell well. This is not quantum physics

>kill yourself. immediately
Leaving the floor to you because you're too fucking dumb to understand basic economics. Typical raging imbecile who has nothing of worth in his life so you argue with strangers about things you don't understand

>>11530444
He's too dumb to understand that fucking with fans leads to losing a license 100% of the time. The thing that actually bugs me is that fans have been extremely vocal on McFarlane's Instagram accounts and have been basically spelling out how to please consumers. Nope, McFarlane always rejected most of the ideas and insisted that his way was the right one and that he understands the market. I guess the saving grace is at least that he was able to secure the Marvel license for statues which do look rather great

>>11530448
>Holy Shit they have set back the industry and hobby by DECADES from how much damage McToddster has done to the DC brand
how fucking retarded do you have to be to believe this. seek help

>>11530450
>Yes, they had the license to make the products that sell well.
Which DC isn't, come next year will prove.

>>11530450
>First, you're arguing that any company with money can buy and hold a license and now you're saying that poor business decisions lead to losing a license.

wow a giant company did a bad job, saw diminishing sales, and let another company outbid them for a license that they no had longer success with. what a crazy concept. you're dumb as fuck. kill yourself. immediately!

>>11530453
>a giant company did a bad job, saw diminishing sales, and let another company outbid them for a license that they no had longer success with
Wrong again.

>>11530447
>have maintained retail presence for like 30 years
Let's not act like McFarlane successfully took on really popular licenses like DC or Marvel. They always resorted to niche licenses which nobody else took on. Paying less for licenses and having decent runs is a smart choice to make but they never took on anything near as big as DC and they failed after a few years.

>because you don't like their products doesn't mean they haven't managed to succeed
Nta but I like some of their figures which makes me even more mad about the fact that they managed to run this into the ground. I don't know what to tell you though when you keep praising them despite people offering you legit reasons why the line failed

>>11530448
>they have set back the industry and hobby by DECADES from how much damage McToddster has done to the DC brand
I feel like that's an exaggeration. If anything, they showed Mattel how to improve their own figures. Whether Mattel will use that knowledge, who the hell knows...
If Mattel offers a combination of McFarlane sculpts and improved DC Essentials articulation along with wired capes and proper accessories, the line really can't fail

>>11530452
I mean if anything, Mafex shows that people are interested in the DC license. Fans simply don't want to get fucked over when it comes to articulation, sculpts, paint jobs, and figure availability. Companies refusing to acknowledge that is the actual issue here.

Jada shows that even if your timeline is dogshit, as long as you provide products fans love, you can have decent sales. Having passion for these projects would help a lot

>>11530454
the most articulated dc toy mattel ever made was a fucking alfred during their last year with the license, and every wave was either severely under ordered by retailers or went to clearance. post your toys or kys

>>11530453
You fucking retard, can you even read? That's literally what I was saying. In your first comment, you claimed McFarlane only lost the license because Mattel had more money for the license while failing to acknowledge McFarlane's entire run of the license. You can throw insults all you want but everyone here knows you're an unintelligent fat loser

>>11530457
>the most articulated dc toy mattel ever made was a fucking alfred
No, it was the Red Parademon from the DCUC line
>>11530455
>improved DC Essentials
Mafex, Mafex has saved DC with the best work they're doing.

>>11530455
>they never took on anything near as big as DC and they failed after a few years.
they renewed the license and lost it a couple years later to one of the biggest toy manufacturers of all time

> I don't know what to tell you though when you keep praising them despite people offering you legit reasons why the line failed
the reasons people offer are pegged joints and side eye, which nobody at the mass retail level cares about.

>>11530456
>I mean if anything, Mafex shows that people are interested in the DC license
you'll notice that none of the crying pissbabies in DC generals ever post their mafex collections and its because they like crying online more than they like having toys.

>>11530460
>No, it was the Red Parademon from the DCUC line
wrong, retard. learn to count.

>>11530462
No stalker child, it is you who is wrong.

>>11530459
>In your first comment, you claimed McFarlane only lost the license because Mattel had more money for the license while failing to acknowledge McFarlane's entire run of the license
because the latter is irrelevant you mutant. companies license out their ip to the highest bidder. pull your head out of your ass and then put a gun to it and kill yourself IMMEDIATELY

>>11530463
>toy with 23 poa is more articulated than toy with 30 poa
there is genuinely something wrong with you and you should kill yourself

>>11530467
>higher articulation toy = better toy
A red demon is better than some dude in a suit

>>11530472
the entire argument was solely about articulation you fucking retard with no toys.

>>11530473
Yes it is a very articulated toy and looks great, enjoy your old man in suit doll

>>11530460
>Mafex, Mafex has saved DC with the best work they're doing.
I mean I'm leaving those out of the equation merely because they're imports and because domestic companies always cry about not being able to deliver the same quality for a fair price but of course, if Mafex-level quality were an option, definitely that

>>11530461
>the reasons people offer are pegged joints and side eye, which nobody at the mass retail level cares about.
What a disingenuous comment. The figures looking uninteresting and fans spreading poor word of mouth definitely affects mass retail. Look at how positive people were talking about Collector Edition Wonder Woman and Silver Age Superman. It definitely leads to figures flying off the shelves, even if the quantity is less limited

>you'll notice that none of the crying pissbabies in DC generals ever post their mafex collections and its because they like crying online more than they like having toys.
I like the Mafex line but if you're acting like Mafex has anything other than a piss poor character selection, that's laughable at best. No Wonder Woman, no Flash, no Green Lantern, no Aquaman is a joke. Not having a smiling Superman while only pulling from the Batman Hush comics and TDKR is okay but not what fans expect from a line they want to switch to completely

>>11530464
>because the latter is irrelevant
Lmao, so it's completely irrelevant what type of quality a company offers to its customer base. Now you're just shitposting for the sake of it. Jump off a building, you fat fuck, what a waste of air you are

>>11530473
He just likes to argue without actually thinking about what he's saying and without understanding people's comments. Probably a literal autist who can't grasp what people here are trying to say.

>>11530435
>>11530429
A company licensing their IP has a lot of reasons they do this and making the most possible money simply from a license isn't the top or only reason.
You don't see certain products even if they were popular licenses in the past, because companies either (a) don't want to be associated with that type of product any longer; or (b) no amount of money will make be associated with that line of merchandise and their product is worth it (the NFL is a good example of this, but musicians and actors are as well) - as far as toys go - you don't see certain types of toys for certain people even if they otherwise go for huge money other ways - any major recording artist is a good example.
We have sports bobble heads and figurines but we don't have Beetles or Taylor Swift bobble heads. The people who do that shit are bands like Kiss that are otherwise primarily and essentially ONLY a marketing device and not a real group of musicians.

McFarlane cost his own company and Warner Consumer Products opportunity income, based on lost sales, on the contract terms both under the original contract he won and the renewal granted. McFarlane also caused a vast number of fans to be repeatedly and vocally pissed off.

tl;dr you're an idiot if you think Todd lost the license just because he's also a cheap poor bastard

>>11530477
What exactly is argued here? McFarlane still won. We're still talking about him.
>>11530478
Todd still won, I'm still buying his toys and enjoy what he's made. The Best Anti Monitor to date. And don't forget that teen titans cyborg.

>>11530475
>The figures looking uninteresting and fans spreading poor word of mouth definitely affects mass retail
crybaby retards on toy forums do not affect mass retail sales

example:
> Look at how positive people were talking about Collector Edition Wonder Woman and Silver Age Superman
all anyone does on here is complain about these

> Lmao, so it's completely irrelevant what type of quality a company offers to its customer base
hasbro, mattel, playmates, and more have successfully offered dogshit for decades

you're a fucking stupid person.

>>11530478
>McFarlane cost his own company and Warner Consumer Products opportunity income, based on lost sales, on the contract terms both under the original contract he won and the renewal granted
post the contract.

>>11530482
Damn you Todd McSocksuckers just don't know when to quit.

>>11530478
>A company licensing their IP has a lot of reasons they do this and making the most possible money simply from a license isn't the top or only reason
I mean all of the points you brought up are valid. I'd simply add that making the most possible money is the main factor to a company licensing their IP 99% of the time because I genuinely cannot come up with a single example where making the most bucks wasn't the reason behind a licensing deal

>McFarlane cost his own company and Warner Consumer Products opportunity income, based on lost sales
Extremely valid point. Basically, selling toys more focused at collectors/adults is bad for DC because getting both adults AND kids is where the money is at. That's why I think Mattel is better fitted IF they actually improve the quality from the last time they had the license. Their toys are better catered towards the masses, simple as

>McFarlane also caused a vast number of fans to be repeatedly and vocally pissed off.
It wasn't even difficult to fix most of the earlier complaints too. Fans were only complaining about articulation and character selection at the very beginning

>>11530478
>We have sports bobble heads and figurines but we don't have Beetles or Taylor Swift bobble heads.
also toys for both of these exist. you can buy beatles megabloks from walmart right now. moron.

>>11530487
>I'd simply add that making the most possible money is the main factor to a company licensing their IP 99% of the time because I genuinely cannot come up with a single example where making the most bucks wasn't the reason behind a licensing deal
WBD is a publicly traded company obligated to make as much money as possible. if mattel offers more money for the license, they owe it to the shareholders to take the deal that makes the most money.

>>11530480
>McFarlane still won
By losing a license.... I'm sure he's so happy about it. If Todd simply didn't have that much of an ego and swallowed his pride for once, he could have easily kept the DC figure deal

>>11530482
>crybaby retards on toy forums do not affect mass retail sales
They're literally representatives for consumers in the same way you're a representative for notoriously online idiots

>all anyone does on here is complain about these
So now you're off to literally lying about facts, got it

>hasbro, mattel, playmates, and more have successfully offered dogshit for decades
>you're a fucking stupid person.
The irony, lmao. Congrats, you're the biggest fucking retard on this board. Major feat but you did it, your parents must be proud.

>>11530486
Not even sure whether he's a genuine Todd fan because I've talked to countless Todd fanboys and even they were able to admit where the line went wrong. This guy seems to be legit mentally handicapped with zero understanding for logics

>>11530489
>if mattel offers more money for the license, they owe it to the shareholders to take the deal that makes the most money.
True that but the money for the license itself is not the only money in the equation, no? Typically, there are calculations for estimated future sales which also have an impact. If Mattel pays more and their estimated future revenue is more lucrative, WBD has no other option to go with them. I can't imagine WBD having chosen Mattel only because of the licensing fee on its own. They knew exactly McFarlane was running the line into the ground with his decisions and he was probably being an egomaniac while doing so given how he usually talks about the line

>>11530491
>genuinely thinks a minority of consumers posting on niche collector forums matters
kys

>>11530494
>They knew exactly McFarlane was running the line into the ground with his decisions and he was probably being an egomaniac while doing so given how he usually talks about the line
not only does none of this matter, but it does what every other retard does and ignores that spinmaster lost their license to mattel too

>>11530499
As usual, you're too mentally challenged to understand what the intention of the comment was. Paying attention to people complaining on social media in general is useless but if the people offer legit objective criticism loads of the time and on every single post, a smart company will actually take a look at the criticism. That's why Hasbro, even if extremely slowly, is trying to improve their figures at the moment. Some companies understand that higher prices lead to consumers being more picky

>kys
If in every single discussion, you tell people to kts, maybe you as the only common denominator should pull the trigger on yourself

>>11530509
>ignores all the criticisms responded to throughout multiverse
you really are a know-nothing dumbshit, huh

>>11530511
Name 5 things Todd actually fixed throughout the line and don't start with shit like character selection because that's what the line promised to do in the first place

>>11530514
>guy responds immediately the entire time
>fails to respond when someone calls out the lack of improvements
like clockwork

>>11530447
>they made the best dc figures to ever hit mass market retail
Imagine actually believing this when important companies make DC figures. And yes, those are mass market retail figures too.

>>11530461
>you'll notice that none of the crying pissbabies in DC generals ever post their mafex collections and its because they like crying online more than they like having toys.
Fuck you. I post my Mafex figures in the DC thread, I just don't do it often because you're all too embarrassing to be associated with.

>>11530514
1 - no more artist proofs
2 - increased focus on classic looks
3 - no more side eye
4 - better integration of wrist and ankle articulation by using sculpted joints rather than generic balls
5 - wired capes

>>11530554
some people sleep, retard

>>11530777
>no more artist proofs
That's technically not an improvement but literally avoiding getting a goddamn lawsuit, you fucking retard. They were sending out toys people didn't even order
>better integration of wrist and ankle articulation by using sculpted joints rather than generic balls
Fuck outta here, the articulation is still one of the worst on the market. Not a SINGLE McFarlane has Jada, Hasbro, Mafex, or Revo level upper body articulation. Only a mindless fanboy like you would call that an improvement
>wired capes
That and no side eye are the only proper improvements while the first can't really be deemed an improvement when they shouldn't have fucked it up in the first place

>>11530203 (OP)
No, this is an example of something you’re going to find at a store that bulk buys unsold stock and sells cheap. The Power Armour will probably do well, though.

>>11530777
>>11530464
>>11530453
You're not very bright, are you?

>>11530777
>No more artist proofs
And yet they still do shit like pic related. Improvement my ass, they still release similar crap nobody asked for.

>>11530444
NECA probably, funny how they’re both in the same shitty scale.

>>11531041
That’s so weird, reminds me of the “first sketch” turtles NECA did that still have red on them for no absolute reason.

>>11530255
But McFarlane has always said he doesn't need to make a profit. He just has to make enough to break even and have the company survive.

>>11530388
The difference is 4H sculpts and paintjobs are actually good

>>11530444
Super 7, some of The Loyal Subjects stuff I've seen, and McFarlane typically beats many NECA figures in articulation but not sculpt and paint. When NECA tries they can win in articulation though like with Predators.

McFarlane has some edges in niche areas over Mattel Masterverse like the wired capes and the pseudobutterfly joints (when they work), but Masterverse tends to be easier to pose and has thigh/boot cuts which help a lot. Masterverse is also a lot more consistent and professional on sculpt, while McFarlane is all over the place.

But again, for everything except Super7, its a mixed bag.

>>11530433
NTA but if a public company as large as Mattel wants to pay an absolutely outrageous sum to get back a license, they have the pockets to do it and there would be nothing small companies like McFarlane could do about it. The difference in cash flow is huge. The probable reason Mattel lost the license in 2020 is because they bid low due to their existing line failing.

But that is not to say DCMV was doing well under McFarlane these last few years, it seems to have been going down the tubes with all the chase and collector edition and now elite edition Zatanna stuff.

>>11530448
Ironically he is probably right about McFarlane putting out the best DC mass market retail line, but that isn't saying much given how bad DC has been at mass retail. Only time will tell if Mattel improves.

>>11530475
But the CE Wonder Woman is a terrible figure. Look at the knees, ankles, and the face sculpt. It only sold because Todd starved people of classic WW for years. SA Supes is good though.

>That's technically not an improvement but literally avoiding getting a goddamn lawsuit
NTA but they are still doing platinum versions of CEs that are sending the customer a weird variant they did not order. It's somehow not illegal. Also even if someone sued them, the most they could get is their money back due to the way monetary rewards work in civil law. No one is going to sue over getting sent the wrong $35 figure, meaning they can keep fucking people over with CE platinums. But not for much longer anyway.

>>11531041
These aren't randomly sent instead of normal figures. Since people can just ignore them they're irrelevant to anyone but WB/DC, McFarlane and anyone who happens to want them.

>>11530388
The chinks at the 4H factory actually know how to consistently paint faces well though, so they don't need face printing to prevent their figures from looking like complete shit.

>>11530963
>name five things
>n-n-n-no those dont count!
kys

>>11531041
>they made a toy i don't want reeeeeeee
kys

>>11531194
Stop playing dumb, you and I both know NOBODY wants that.

>>11531202
mattel made equally dumb shit but im sure somebody wanted it. i will continue to live my life unaffected by it.

>>11531235
>i will continue to live my life unaffected by it
Clearly not if you feel the need to defend it.

>>11531251
it sucks and i dont want it and it doesn't affect me. i haven't defended it at all. kill yourself!

>>11531254
How is this NOT defending it?
>>11531194

>>11531262
im making fun of you being a crybaby without saying a single thing about the toy itself you fucking moron

>>11531041
This kind of represents how Supes looks on a few pages of the Dark knight returns book. Mafex did the stylized look better, not that I'd want either

>>11531285
Why are you insulting people here when everyone is of the same opinion that you're a collossal retard and a waste of air? What does it feel like being a typical contrarian who literally never listens to reasonable arguments? Must be a shitty life you lead, not having any friends or people who like you

>NOOOOOO TODDY STOPP IT STOP IT STOP IT STOP MAKING THESE OBASURE CHARACTERS NO ONE WANTS IT HAD TO BE A SIX INCH KINORINO OF A SUPREMO NOOOOOOOOOO STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT

Toddy Just keeps on Winning

>>11532419
i think you should read this post to someone who cares about you and see what they think about it

and then kys

>>11538425
getting your toys exiled to electronics is not winning