Thread 11542848

So in case you don’t know, NECA made a Donatello’s Lab from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles or TMNT for short. This was a $300!!! made to order set. When they finally started shipping it out, people were getting multiple sets even if they only ordered one. NECA neglected to say anything about this for like a month, until they sent everyone a threatening email that they need to return the set. Their claim is that they were “changing the warehouse system” and it led to duplicated orders. Well, now they’re saying that if you don’t return the set, you will be charged for any additional sets, despite this being a clear violation of FTC laws. What does /toy/ think of this situation? Is NECA in the right? Are people who keep their labs stealing from collectors?

>>11542848 (OP)
>you will be charged for any additional sets
We've already covered this in the NECA thread where you lost your shit.

ALSO you're posting an OLD picture, they dropped their threat to charge people after their legal team told them they had no grounds.

NOBODY has been charged for extra shipments. You're a lying troll.

>>11542856
People absolutely were charged that didn’t return their set. And they are thieves.

>>11542848 (OP)
In before NECAtroll comes in with "EVERYONE'S TROLLING BUT ME AND YOU SUCK DICK AND YOU'RE A TROLL AND YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS AS CUSTOMERS BECAUSE I SAY SO!"

The law is the law. NECA can't legally charge someone for something they didn't order and is 100% their own mistake. The honor system does mean that you should send the extra one back simply on good general principle, though. Personally I'd send it back but ONLY if NECA fronted the shipping costs to do so because why should I eat the cost for someone else's mistake?

>>11542859
AGAIN, just as in the NECA thread, you make false claims and call names with ZERO PROOF

MY ADVICE FOR OTHERS is DONT engage this fucking TROLL. He will lie and screech in circles while NEVER giving a shred of proof. He will waste your time. After this post I'm closing this tab. OP is literally mentally ill and simply trolling for attention.

>>11542866
I'd send it back (at their expense) and if they threatened me, I'd send both back (at their expense) and demand a full refund.

>>11542848 (OP)
Fuck off you trolling shitberg.

Mods please delete this thread. This is the even a current topic.

>>11542866
Fuck off, you were the one trolling every fucking time. You were always wrong.

It should be known that this wasn’t just limited to the lab, this happened with the Beetlejuice Beetlejuice Baby Beetlejuice Prop Replica as well.

>>11542894
It should be known that you're a troll and reposting shit that's been solved for months and months now. Kys.

>>11542886
How is it not current? People are just now getting charged for the labs.

>>11542899
Fuck off you lazy troll

Just send them back the outer box with all the broken NECA figures that you've accumulated over the years inside.

>>11542907
That'd be an empty box then.

Isnt this old news? This happened last year right?

>>11542913
The initial email did happen several months ago, but NECA after giving people months to send the labs back have begun charging people for the duplicate labs.

>>11542913
Yes, it's a troll thread. The fag got mad about being banned and now he's doing this. Just report the whole thread.

>>11542913
Some guy is probably doing it for the shits and giggles while knowing the NECA guy will come in raging and insulting everyone. In other words, it's quality bait that apparently worked.

>>11542919
What are you even talking about? I was never banned and this isn’t a troll thread, hell, I didn’t even say anything negative about NECA. I tried to be fair and open minded with the post and just provide the facts of the matter.

>>11542848 (OP)
lmao, what's to stop people from cancelling the credit card they have on file? They can't charge a dead card?

>>11542925
>>11542926
You are such a transparent shit heel. Again, obvious fucking troll thread.

>>11542933
The fact that they would be even further breaking the law and they could face a lawsuit or even legal action?

>>11542937
It's illegal to cancel your credit card? Interesting...

>>11542926
Motherfucker we have eyes, we can read file names you dumb asshole. This is a troll thread.

>>11542941
No, but not paying for a product you refuse to send back is stealing and obviously illegal.

>>11542952
Not according to >>11542856

>>11542956
Lawyers have chimed in on this matter and said that law doesn’t apply.

>>11542952
Only when it's a NECA product, apparently. I don't know why you'd want to keep it though. It's gonna BREKA eventually...

>>11542993
You're a fucking idiot

>>11542935
And you proved that OP posted quality rage-bait.

>>11543061
No, you proved you're a fucking moron.

>>11542914
>>11542925
Ok, thanks for clearing this up. It really did just seem like bait so i was kinda confused it got brought back up out of the blue.

>>11543113
Because it's a troll thread. OP got banned and is doing this as a lame attempt at revenge. Just report the whole thread.

>>11542848 (OP)
Hey janny, you should delete this thread and ban the first six posters. Look at the images being posted, look at the filenames. They're not toy related, theyre just troll bait. >>11542866 is an especially bad troll.

>>11543002
Not enough of one to buy a NECA product.

>>11543120
No, that means you're a fag with no taste.

>>11542848 (OP)
I swear I heard this exact same situation on this board back in November or December. Is this still the same shit?
SAME AS IT EVER WAS

>>11543132
It's a troll thread reposting shit. Are you that stupid?

>>11542864
>gives the whitehouse 5% of our company
oh look now we can

>>11543139
I don't care about shitty neca toys so I can't say I am familiar with your 2 points of articulation companies issues.

>be Neca
>make pro lgbt products like the Pride Elvira/Pride Ghostface and send money to pro-gay organizations
>the gay guy who helped design the figures has been accused of being a groomer and seems to have sent texts to somebody underage
>Neca doesn’t credit the inexperienced gay couple who helped sculpt their Bride of Chucky dolls, possibly underpaid them, and even sent them a cease and desist when they spoke out according to this interview
https://youtube.com/watch?v=3xbRmgFn6O4

Something weird definitely is happening at that company, and I think we should be allowed to talk about it without being labeled “trolls”.

>>11542848 (OP)
The customers are not to blame for NECA's incompetence

>>11542910
I see you're a smart consumer who either never buys NECA

>>11543200
No, I buy tons, just not a dumbass like you.

>>11543201
You should actually post your collection sometime.

>>11543128
I'd rather have no taste than taste a NECA product.

>>11543233
Spoken like a true fucktard

>>11543201
Oh, I guess you never took them out of the package then
Don't do it

>>11543245
Only a loser like you would keep anything in package

>>11543291
Kill yourself

>>11543249
Can you post your collection with a timestamp? I’d love to see your collection.

>>11543293
Bit rude

>>11543245
Sometimes they are broken in package tho.

>>11543472
They aren't

>>11543474
NTA and not in reference to NECA but I just got exactly that from Crapazom. A toy below a plastic jug of protein powder in a box with nothing else (no paper, no bubble wrap). The clam shell/package was crushed below the 3lbs of protein powder and the right arm of the toy was actually broken at the upper arm part. They accepted it for return but it was the last one of these toys (on crapazom) so I am SOL.

>>11543610
That's Necanon. You could post video proof of opening a brand-new neccy broken and he'd accuse you of staging it.

>>11543623
Many such cases.

>>11543317
dangerously based. great setup anon.

>>11543674
They stole the image from Facebook.

>shitty, flawed company
>Fanboys arein a cult to defend them

Neca is Trump, basically

>Inb4 3 day off topic ban while pro-pedo kike is allowed because janny is biased

>>11544059
I agree

>>11544059
No, you're just a psychopath

>>11542952
39 U.S. Code § 3009 states otherwise.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/39/3009

>>11544098
>>11542986

>>11544107
Even Lionel Hutz knows more than the unnamed retards you seem so hellbent on referring to.

>>11544059
Cats.

Bump

>>11542848 (OP)
Classic NECA moment.

>>11542910
this is the one time i want someone to repy with a laughing redditfrog

>>11546713
Rude

>>11546685
Do it then, I wouldn’t blame you

Did anyone here actually receive a second lab or was it really just a big nothingburger?

>>11550638
Fuck off bumping this shit you retarded troll

>>11550640
Why do you call everyone else exactly what you are?

>>11550638
Nothingburger.

>>11550638
Most people were smart enough to skip the $300 shoebox diorama with a foam board lid.

>>11551900
You just love being a moron that's wrong about everything huh?

>>11551903
>wrong
What exactly am I wrong about? The majority of people on the board didn't buy it, it was $300, and it did include a piece of foam board that goes on top of it.

>>11543317
This is like a smaller scale of grandma and her 12+inch creepy dolls.
Only when you pass away, it'll be easier to clean up and sell.

>>11552035
That grandma is cool as fuck.
I wonder how much that diorama went for, because STar Trek has been dead for almost 2 decades now, so there aren't many people willing to pay American dollars for something like that anymore.

I knew a teacher who had a massive star trek collection in her office in college. I'd visit her every semester while i was there and saw her a couple of times after that and it kept growing and growing. Very friendly teacher and knew everything about the series.

>>11542848 (OP)
You have to be an ultra dumb fucking retard to buy an empty diorama set with a single table for $300. I always defend /toy/‘s spending decisions, but it is getting difficult as of late. You guys are diluted.

>>11552014
So everything is wrong. Retard.

>>11552083
Get fucked spaz.

>>11552126
>replying to (2) common sense comments
seethe

>>11552137
>common sense
Retard troll

>>11552083
Not defending it, but I believe it came with more than just the table

>>11552126
>So everything is wrong.
With your brain? Yes. Everything is wrong with your brain. From Autism to Zellweger syndrome, you've got the whole alphabet covered.
Most people didn't buy the diorama. It was $300. It did have a foam board lid.
Keep throwing a tantrum about facts, schizo.

>>11552895
Most people did buy it, you're a retarded troll. You haven't said facts, you're only shitposting.

>>11552938
iykyk

>>11552898
Most people that collect NECA didn't buy it, and most people on the board don't even collect NECA.
>You haven't said facts
The diorama was $300.
The diorama did come with a piece of foam board that goes on top of it.
The majority of people on this board did not buy it.
All facts.
Nothing I said was wrong, you are just throwing a tantrum because you are assblasted about my flippant tone. Ask your doctor to prescribe you some mood stabilizers.

>>11542848 (OP)
The answer to this question is decided whether you live in a high or low trust society.

>>11553114
Everything you've said is wrong. You've also shown you're just a retarde troll. Zero facts. Rot in Hell already.

>>11553300
rude

>>11553300
Prove it.
https://store.necaonline.com/products/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-cartoon-sewer-lair-donatellos-lab-diorama
$299.99
Comes with a "sturdy street topper" that the image clearly shows is foam board.
Production run of less than 2000, as seen by the carton number.
You won't prove shit though.

>>11553114
>and most people on the board don't even collect NECA

Honestly I feel like most that post here about NECA are workers form other companies or something. This debacle would be a lot of "Thank for the free gift suckers" if collectors were really a thing but instead it's this very weird back and forth on some story like the anon wants a bigger PR mess than what's already happen. Hell even the defenders are strange in what hills they die on.

It's like Dead Internet Theory: corporate edition.

>>11553333
God you're stupid. You do know that isn't the full run right? There's different shipements, especially for shipments of 2 or more. Fucktard.

>>11553338
>"Thank for the free gift suckers" if collectors were really a thing
How fucking dumb are you? That's not only illegal but morally wrong. Kys.

>>11553355
If that's the case, post another carton that has a different quantity on it.
>There's different shipements
Irrelevant. Those boxes are labelled like that when the production run is complete. If they get shipped in different containers, they don't rebox them or relabel the boxes because a couple of pallets don't fit in the container. You seriously don't know what you are talking about and are just making shit up as you go. Holy fuck, you are a lying retard.

>>11553366
>Those boxes are labelled like that when the production run is complete
For that particular shipment's run, yes. You are a fucking simpleton.

>>11553333
>They only made 1912 of these things
The gunship you hate so much already has more than double this lmao

>>11553369
>For that particular shipment's run, yes.
Lol.

>>11553384
If there's an anon that's hating the gunship, it isn't me. I haven't really kept up with that crowdfund. I'd probably buy it if I was still collecting 3¾" scale, but I haven't bought any since Hasbro abandoned the scale and focused on BS not long after the Disney acquisition of Lucasfilm.

>>11553384
Take your meds, schizo

>>11553338
it's about 25% broken man children, 25% the people that make/sell the toys and the 50% left is just 4chan Jannies/mods back filling the traffic

>>11553357
(You)

>>11553355
>>11553369
That isn't how factories operate. Production runs aren't determined by shipments. Restarting production is an expensive process, which was the reason they refused to do a second production run to replace all the dioramas that they failed to fulfill due to their fuckup.

You got NECA’d

>>11554177
You fucking moron, they aren't from the same run, so the numbers on that box are not the same as what's on another run's. Dipshit.

>>11554183
Kys fag

>>11554184
No the other anon is right, looks like there was only one run and one shipment. The numbers on that box look right for the total production run

>>11554184
No, you're a fucking moron that doesn't know how manufacturing is handled.
>so the numbers on that box are not the same as what's on another run's.
Post another outer carton with a different quantity then.

>>11554192
>looks like there was only one run and one shipment
You're wrong. Multiple orders shipped in another box and are not part of that count fucktard.

>>11554219
If you had proof that your claim was true, you would have posted it by now.

>>11554243
You can check Twitter for it, faggot. Kys already.

>>11554245
I had a two minute look on both Twitter and Reddit because that's all the time I am wasting doing your work for you. Reddit was the only other place that I found an outer carton photo.
Surprise surprise, it's a qty of 1912.
If you want people to believe your claim then you need to provide the evidence yourself, but you won't because you are a lying faggot that makes up bullshit about how factories work.

>>11554264
Yeah, because you're looking at the same shipment you fucking dunce. There's more than that for other shipments.the only lying faggot has been you, shit for brains.

>>11554267
Provide proof that there was another run.

>>11554270
It's the same run, different shipments dickbag. Those numbers are for the single boxes.

>>11554267
Provide proof that there was another shipment.

No proof?
Disregarded.
>>11554273
Not what you said here >>11553369 and here >>11554184
Also not how the production process works. They don't label cartons according to shipments. Your larp is admirable, but you are larping in the face of someone that has been a production manager in manufacturing and also worked in logistics.
Maybe step out into the real world instead of spending 18 hours a day lying on the internet.

>>11554304
It is literally how it works. Get fucked you lying asshole. They do label them according to shipments, singles, doubles, etc are different. Idiot.

>>11554342
Post an outer carton with a total qty other than 1912 then, you stupid fucking retard.
You can't, because you are a lying sack of shit.

>>11554264
that box is in really rough shape

>>11554445
That was one of the ones that was incorrectly shipped to somebody that already received one and was returned to NECA to be inspected and sent to the person that should have received it in the first place.
I'm not surprised it looks that rough after two trips through the NECA warehouse being manhandled by tards and two trips through the US postal system handled by people that don't get paid enough to care.

I bet if I added the word "troll" to 4chanx filters, only necanon's posts would disappear

>>11554462
How about you filter yourself and fuck off the board.

>>11554506
You first

>>11542848 (OP)
Imagine just not seeing this and getting charged randomly. Lol Neca collectors deserve this.

>>11554567
You deserve it if you stole merch, yes.

>>11554571
Not stolen when they sent it as a gift

>>11554567
Imagine being sent another one but never receiving it due to UPS incompetence/porch pirates etc and then NECA illegally charges your card without permission.
It's probably why their threat to charge people who didn't return it was completely empty, because any lawyer with a brain that functions barely above sycophantic fanboy level would know that scenario would fuck the company hard.

lawyers have chimed in

>>11554574
They aren't sent as a gift, so you're stealing merch.

>>11554590
Wait, it wasn’t a gift?

>>11554590
The FTC says, according to 39 U.S. Code § 3009, that if you receive merchandise that you didn't order, you have a legal right to keep it as a free gift.
The FTC also says that if if a shipper makes an honest mistake, you should show good faith in working with the company to get back the merchandise without the receiver having to pay for it, but to also state that you reserve the right to keep the item. But it explicitly DOESN'T state that there is a legal requirement that the receiver do this, nor that there is any legal means for the shipper to charge the receiver if they choose to keep the item.

Should=/=legally obligation.

>>11554607
No, but you are legally entitled to treat it as a gift. Enjoy.

Isn’t it weird that NECA offered $100 in store credit to those who returned their labs but nothing to the people who received clearly used labs? They’re the real victims here.

>>11554609
And that does not apply here. So you are a dumb faggot 4channer.

>>11554628
>clearly used labs
They weren't used, dick for brains.

>>11554631
I think you're misremembering the reddit thread

>>11554637
I think you're a moron.

>>11554631
>And that does not apply here
Yes it does. There is no provision in the statute for "we accidentally mailed out extra dioramas because we hired our warehouse monkeys straight off the short bus."
The only exceptions are
>free samples clearly and conspicuously marked as such
>merchandise mailed by a charitable organization soliciting contributions
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/39/3009
Eat shit, pigfucker.

>>11554653
Oh look at that you lunatic, you're still wrong. Anyone keeping an item like that is breaking the law, shithead.

>>11554657
Prove it. We know you won't, you snivelling cowardly little troll.

>>11554660
You already proved it for me dumbshit.

>>11554663
This is my first post in the thread. And no, he proved that you're wrong and that NECA is breaking the law by demanding customers return the duplicates.

>>11554666
You're a liar and you're retarded! What a surprise. No, only a fucktard like you would be breaking the law by keeping merch that is not yours.

>>11554657
>yore wrong because I say so
Show me where in the statute it states that if a person is mailed something in error, they are legally required to return it.
It shouldn't be that hard. Oh wait, it's going to be impossible because you are more retarded than a NECA warehouse worker.

>>11554670
They are 100% required to return it. If they don't they get charged for it. And there isn't shit you can do about it.

>>11554672
>They are 100% required to return it
Post the section of the statute that says they are legally required to return it.

>>11554672
no one was charged, that's why they added the vague bits about future orders on their own store. its the only weight they have to swing around and its uncomfortably clear

>>11554686
Yes people were charged. And they added the banning as extra punishment.

>>11554672
Ethically that is absolutely true, and I would have if I gave a shit about turtles. And if NECA threatened me with future UNAUTHORIZED charges over it, I'd return both of them and demand a full refund. Morally-speaking it's just the right thing to do with not keeping something that you didn't pay for, and I think NECA should reward those who did with some sort of gift in return.

BUT legally people will still probably have to return them anyway. It's like postal theft: when the mailman accidentally delivers a package to you that's not yours, you're not legally allowed to open it nevertheless keep it. That's postal theft, and is a felony. And that's the angle that has me seeing things NECA's way. I'm not defending them because their quality is shit and their NECAguy here is a real joyless asshole who forgets that hobbies are supposed to be fun and enjoyable, but I do think they're in the legal right in every regard except for threats of unauthorized charges.

>>11554691
>extra punishment

>>11554590
Not really if you dont see the email and know it was a mistake. Most people dont ever look at emails from Hasbro or Neca because its usually news letter spam. They would have gotten fucked if they actually tried to charge the cards and people priced proof they didnt read the email. Would get the extra Playstation plus you'd get to sue Neca and get even more money.

>>11554706
>a thief making excuses

>>11554710
You can't moralfag while one of Neca's toy designers grooms minors and makes excuses for it.

>>11554710
Unauthorized charges for your own mistakes are also stealing. It's also bad form to ban people, especially if they turned out to be repeat-buyers of all things NECA. Repeat-customers are at the heart of any long-term business plan.

>>11554713
Is this true? Which one(

>>11554713
Get fucked you sorry sack of shit

>>11554750
>>11554750
This should link to everything you need to know.
https://archive.palanq.win/toy/thread/11530686/#11540093
https://archive.palanq.win/toy/thread/11530686/#11540114

>>11555273
Doxxing is against the rules

>>11555463
The post links to a tweet and a YouTube video discussing his alleged crimes.
Alleged crimes are not considered "private information." Neither one of them contains anything that is considered doxxing.
His name is public knowledge.
His job is public knowledge.
His social media is public knowledge.
No "doxx" such as address or private contact details are contained in either.

>>11555517
In all fairness people get arrested all the time for evil scumbag things that had absolutely nothing to do with their employers, and it's unfair to pin the crime of someone on an entire company. That doesn't excuse NECA being hostile assholes towards customers, but at the same time the crime of the individual doesn't incriminate the company either.

>>11555517
Hey mods, this guy us doxxing people. This is all non toy related off topic personal information

>>11555537
Both links are archive posts from HERE, bro. It's exactly as he said, and is public stuff that lead to a Twatter and Mootube post. It doesn't dig any deeper than that, and if both clear X's and Youtube's TOS, then they're ok.

>>11555530
It wasn't a criticism of the company. It was a criticism against the anon's moral grandstanding against "thieves" that kept something they were sent and legally had the right to consider a gift, but is now attempting to cover up the toy designer's indiscretions by claiming it is doxxing.

>>11555545
>>11555546
Off topic doxxing

>>11555546
OK I see your perspective, and it's logical. And there is no moral high road while treating customers like shit and making threats.

>>11555549
doxxing is unmasking anons like someone did with jannies a few months back, digfging up people's home addresses, personal information, and stuff. Those links do absolutely none of that.

>>11555550
They didn't treat customers like shit. They rightfully were taking out thieves. You are twisted if you think anything that retard says is logical.

>>11555555
Absolute waste of a get. For shame, NECAjeet.

>>11555546
So you're trolling with false information while trying to make excuses for thieves. You should be in jail.

>>11555555
Nice gets, 100% right, too.

>>11555556
Indeed. What a waste.

>>11555555
They did it in a way that only pissed off and alienated paying customers. Once again try being nicer. Those who had good ethics and returned the extra deserved better than "WE WILL NOT BAN YOU OR ILLEGALLY CHARGE YOU NOW."

>>11555562
You're a psycho. Anyone that kept stolen merch doesn't need to be a customer anyway. They should be locked up. They are not needed.

>>11555564
>SAAR YOU MUST RETURN THE MERCH SAAR DO NOT REDEEM

>>11555556
No, it's an amazing get. Digits preserved for all time showing that he will grandstand against "thieves" that were within their legal rights to keep unordered merchandise that was mailed to them while trying to cover up the pederasty of a fellow faggot.
Seriously, look at his deranged replies. Demanding people that kept a $300 toy be locked up while he tries to protect a toy designer that likes to slip into the DMs of minors and send topless pics.
Never forget the 11555555 get.

>>11555564
Your mental gymnastics for NECA's mistake are idiotic. Once again try being nice to people. You might have gotten more returns that way. I wonder how many people said "fuck you asshole I'm keeping it" just on the general principle of being threatened and bullied by you.

You do know what being nice to people is like, don't you?

>>11555576
Then you deserve to be in jail. That's all there is to it. You decided to be a criminal, may you suffer for it.

Reminder that NECAnon thinks that NECAriah law takes precedence over actual US law.

>>11555577
Be nice, bro. Find your happy-spot. Bullying and threatening never work, and only makes people hate you. The law was unfortunately not on NECA's side in this case, but good morals were. NECA should have rewarded good morals with an incentive to return like credit, a high placement in the next crowd-funding mailing order, or something. Instead it was threats and bullying. Just be nice to people.