Thread 11549031

Previous tariff thread:
>>11540362

De Minimis is officially over and Japan Post suspends shipments to the US. You can still ship stuff using DHL and Fedex I believe, but be prepared to be charged ridiculous import fees.

Will all this tariff nonsense make you actually stop buying toys? Or maybe limit your spending? I for one have canceled a lot of preorders, but hope to still get my must have figures. Hopefully this blows over soon.

>>11549034
>Hopefully this blows over soon.
I hope so too, but I have little hope. Even if the goober did have a stroke and we get someone new in charge, I don't know if they'd "fix" things.

>>11549034
>Will all this tariff nonsense make you actually stop buying toys?
No. Will I be a bit more choosey with my imports? Yes. Will I just start buying them from Amazon and other stores domestically? Yes. I was only saving like $20 by importing directly from Japan. I'll be fine.

>Hopefully this blows over soon
Also this. I have a feeling this will be over sooner than later.

>>11549045
It’s always going to be zionists in charge of america anon. Not much is going to get better until the country is forced to play ball with other powers instead of unilaterally thrusting itself into everybody’s affairs on behalf of the jews.

>>11549052
If that’s the case then why did they allow de minimis before?

Here’s a post I saw on Reddit of someone’s order from Hobby Genki. Roughly $130 and had to pay roughly $40 in fees to DHL. This shit is crazy.

>>11549084
For $130 in toys that actually isn't as bad as I thought it was going to be. Yeah it's still pretty terrible but I was expecting worse to be honest.

>>11549084
How long until they cut DHL off again though? Is Amiami shipping to the US at all right now?

>>11549101
I’m not sure, but amiami is not shipping right now. All stuff is being put on hold.

>>11549034
>Will all this tariff nonsense make you actually stop buying toys?
No, why? This is a luxury hobby so I just have to be a little bit more selective on ordering big ass items.
>>11549084
I expected a ton worse honestly. I can live with this as I always order in bulk.

>>11549104
>pretentious asshole response
Hey Necanon, I thought you hid tariff threads?

The tariff on toys (from china) will be lifted around November so that Trump can be claimed responsible for saving Christmas.

>>11549109
It’s already too late at this point though. Christmas is fucked.

>>11549031 (OP)
Praise God that I got a chance to get MAFEX Brown Suit Wolverine for a decent price before this madness.

>>11549106
Kys with your off topic grudge posting retard

>>11549106
>projecting this hard

>>11549109
Its a several-months process from loading shit up in China, shipping out to sea, arriving in the docks in the US, being checked in, loaded into trucks, shipped out to individual stores, and eventually stocked.

Most retails have Christmas stuff sitting in their backrooms by July/August.

Looks like that one anon was right

>>11549106
Are you okay?

>>11549104
Yeah if it was like this every time it wouldn't be quite so bad. But it's so fucking all over the place...

>>11549109
kek, Turnip prolly think like this, but shit is over, you'll have way fewer dolls and like it!

>>11549135
What are you even trying to say?

>>11549120
Yep. War it is.

>>11549120
Qrd?

>>11549145
That it's not consistent and we're all fucked.

>>11549150
WW3 in two weeks

>>11549149
>>11549120
>>11549150
Americans sure are war hungry niggers and need to make everything about armed conflict. Because you need slaves to make everything for you.

>>11549084
>2 imported action figures = $128.93
that's almost cheap!
>tariff = $19.34
Ehhhh... ok, I guess I'll eat it
>processing fee to collect tariff: $17
WTF
That's like being charged an extra to process sales tax. It's a giant scam by DHL.

>>11549084
Fuuuuck Hobby Genki just sent me an email about my Toga revoltech, have people had success cancelling and getting refunded? I already paid in full for the figure

I wanted to see if I could take advantage of the situation to have Nin Nin move my single item into their private warehouse in case I need to ship multiple things together. But they won't do it.

>>11549212
I have a bad feeling we'll see a lot of this happening. It's amazing how one dipshit can suddenly break the whole world apart.

>>11549244
I have honestly never noticed the actions of a politician cause a negative direct impact on my personal life until now. What happened to nothing ever happens?

>>11549034
>>11549045
>>11549048
>this blows over soon

De minimis has nothing to do with tariffs and is what is suspending shipments from other countries to the US. It's also not going to change. And it's unlikely that even a change in administration would really change it back.

It's going to effect anyone (not just toy collectors) who buys small batch things from China, Japan, Europe, and many other countries.

In a way, even though I am mostly against this administration and what they are doing, this is actually going to be a good thing in the long run for American workers and American companies, because it will bring some business back to the USA - largely by making a more even playing field. But for shit that isn't going to get manufactured in the USA and hasn't been, it's going to make stuff expensive all the way around.

>>11549031 (OP)
well, hurf durf im retarded because i waited long for no good reason

>>11549286
>De minimis has nothing to do with tariffs
?
De minimis is about NOT paying the tariff though, right?
Since de minimis has been suspended, you're now subject to the new tariff fees and other taxes.

>>11549286
>De minimis has nothing to do with tariffs
De minimis has everything to do with tariffs, though. It was just a stipulation that you didn't have to pay them on small-value inbound packages.

The logic doesn't even make sense, because it DOES make sense to allow small value personal items/purchases to come through if you're just buying a couple items. It'd be different if you were buying products by the palette to be made in China cheaply and then sold in the US. You can understand the logic of enticing people to move the production of those items to the US and the tariffs are a penalty of sorts of doing business that way.

Buying a couple trinkets from China or Japan that'll never be made here shouldn't be forced for this to happen. That's why De minimis existed in the first place.

Reminder that one of the driving decisions on paper to end de Minimis was to prevent fentanyl deaths.

What about figures that's were shipped out months ago? Mine is over 60 days in shipped by boat from Japan.
Will I have to pay? I'm okay if I do, I just don't want it shipped back.

>>11549157
Your skin matches your post content Athena.

I JUST started wanting to collect anime figures now that I Have the money for it. Im just hoping Kappa Hobby ships my order. I bought the Rabbit Hole Miku nendo and that made it past de minimize just in time and I'm waiting on her.

My chocolate and vanilla figs are U.S. based so hopefully I'll get those by March 2026.

I should've just held my nose and voted for Harris. I didn't know dumpster was going to pull this crap.

Didn't we nuke these guys twice? Why did we let them tarrif us in the first place? 2 obviously wasn't enough. Happy Trump is making these Tojos cry.

I honestly wonder if things will ever get better. I joined the workforce around Covid and it took me years to move up due to Covid red tape. I finally make good money, have decent savings and I'm ready to buy house, then Trump comes and fucks the economy, then continues to make everything worse.

>>11549382
The economy was fucked long before Trump. You didn't stand s chance zoomie-kun.

>>11549286
>this is actually going to be a good thing in the long run for American workers and American companies, because it will bring some business back to the USA
Imagine being this delusional

>>11549031 (OP)
Europe already blocked all mail shipments of any kind to US.
The problem is that the retarded tariff scam requires customs are paid BEFORE the shipment and literally not a single country in the world has a system for that, nor cares enough to create one. It's easier to just block all mail to US.

>>11549252
Are you an actual child or are toys legitimately the only thing you've ever spent your money on? The actions of politician have been affecting the cost of everything I buy, since I started buying things myself. If this is the first time politics have actually directly impacted your life, you must be the most sheltered little boy on the planet.

>>11549031 (OP)
If you're Ebaying then be sure to buy from domestic sellers who have everything in-hand.

>>11549031 (OP)
I may slow down but won't stop. Most of the items I buy are rare 30+ year old toys that I'm finding for great deals. Considering the $ I've saved by hunting for the best price, paying an extra 15% + DHL's fees isn't too awful. If was someone who tended to order really expensive stuff I'd be sweating (but maybe if I was dropping thousands on my hobby a few extra hundred wouldn't matter to me)

>>11549329
>>11549305
De minimis meant goods came into the country without having to pay any port/custom duties and/or tariffs but it's not a tariff and thus isn't under the Constitution where they are listed as a congressional power (so a new congress can change anything any president does). And tariffs constitutional are also subject to judicial review, e.g. court rulings. The Courts can't really fuck with de minimis, it's well established regulatory and changing those isn't going to impact someone who would have standing to sue - sure some idiots might file a court case but it likely will get tossed out.

The point of de minimis was cheap shit (e.g. $1) wasn't worth collecting import duties and taxes on in the 1930s when it was instituted even though $1 then was actually a lot more valuable than $5-10 now, because the amount of time, people, resources, etc. involved to police, charge, process, etc. the duty or custom charges on something that sold for $1, was not worth the 'reward' in the 1930s.

The problem was that de minimis crept up slowly ($5, but not until 1990) but in the last three decades, once China entered the world markets, just ballooned ridiculously.

It jumped to $200 in 1993, till it hit $800 in 2015. There's no reason for it to be $800. That's China sending 2-5 cheap flat screen TV sets without any duty being paid on them in 2015 and still would be more than one cheap TV set last year.

When they raised it to $800, 134 million packages were received under de minimis. Last year, it was 1.36 BILLION packages.

If you don't think that's hurting the US economy or workers, then you don't understand math.

>>11549399
If you don't think $64 billions annually between 2015 and 2025 didn't knee cap some then existing US manufacturing jobs and workers, I feel sorry for your lack of education, sister.

>>11549478
>It's actually a good thing that I'm paying double for my XXL undies from fleet farm

The level of cuckoldry Americans are capable of is staggering.

Funny you use TVs as an example, because the exact retard in office right now talked up Foxconn opening a plant here and they took a bunch of kickbacks, pocketed them, and fucked off. These new developments do not make it a smart idea to make the monumental investment to start producing most of this shit domestically. It would be less retarded to just eat part of the tariff cost until things change again

>>11549478
The thing is nothing has really changed. It’s still not worth collecting: with this amount of packages it’s just a huge amount of people who need to be paid to do the work. A smarter administration simply would have lowered the exemption cap again.

>>11549478
This guy is ultimately right. When Obama raised de minimis to $800 you had all these companies taking advantage of it and importing goods without having to pay import fees and the like. That is actively hurting the US economy. Instead of eliminating it outright though, they should've dropped it back to $200 and it would've been the best of both worlds. But unfortunately nuance isn't something the world is capable of in the year of our lord two thousand and twenty five.

>>11549486
That's not at all what he's saying. He's saying there were people and companies who were taking advantage of the $800 threshold and that absolutely was causing harm to the economy. He's not saying it's good that it's eliminated entirely. Thanks for only proving what I said in my previous post about the lack of nuance int he world today.

>>11549478
You cant reason with people here, im sure you know that by now.

>devastates global economy
>refuses to elaborate
>leaves

>>11549593
No way he’s resigning

>>11549593
You wish you fucking dweeb

>>11549394
This.

>>11549593
There's been so much wishful thinking over this shit the last couple days but I think if it was as dire as people want to believe there would be leaks, the administration has proven incapable of keeping whistleblowers quiet.

>>11549499
I think $400 would have been reasonable preferably $500, but getting rid of it entirely is retarded.

>>11549593
Trump will die soon... maybe!

>>11549649
We can all dream.

>>11549593
No way in hell. If anything, I wouldn't be surprised if he changed the law so he could run for a third term. Would be funny to finally see him and Obama have their grudge match.

Best silver lining I can hope for is people actually post pics their toys again instead of endless hype train FOMO posting. Maybe if you all stop jerking to the newest upcoming releases you'll actually appreciate what you ALREADY own.

>>11549593
>Fucks over the globalists parasites that spent decades ruining the US economy
>This is somehow a bad thing
I applaud anyone who goes out of their way to remove the communist encroachment in the US markets. Other than that, fuck the global economy, it never once served the American people in the first place. Only took away jobs and forced the nation to be dependent on enemies for basic goods.

>>11549688
>the president who is making the US government buy shares of companies is removing communism
lol what if anything he is doubling down on it harder than anyone before him

>>11549593
There is no goddamned way that would ever happen. The man likes playing king way too much to ever quit on purpose.
Unless he was actually on his death bed and incapable of coming out on stage he ain't giving up his power and he might not even do it then since in his mind that would make him look weak.

>>11549593
You better get ready for that third term because that's what we are getting in 2028. Trump 2028, globalists are fucked!

Goddamn, why does collecting toys attract such mentally ill losers? Get your brains fixed you troons.

>>11549709
I read that in Alex Jones's voice.

>>11549206
DHL wants their cut of the pie too

>>11549714
Because you post to this board.

>>11549335
And that was an entirely false pretense yet they had to keep repeating it in order to legally justify that.

>>11549373
With just a couple misguided executive orders, the entire toy import game is thrown into chaos, let alone all the other industries that rely on low value imports.

Stop voting on social issues. Literally NEVER do it. It doesn't matter one bit, as society from the ground up determines social values, politicians cannot make people moral, politicians are often the most immoral people in the world. Vote on who will be better for you economically, and that's it, because one bad policy can severely damage the economy and harm countless individuals. And when they say they're going to do something that will be negative for you economically, for the love of God, BELIEVE THEM.

>>11550229
Imagine throwing a temper tantrum because the world doesn't bend over backwards to cater to your niche hobby. Sorry that you have to spend an extra $20 to buy import toys, but you'll live.

>>11550271
It's not $20 you nutjob. We're getting screwed by much more than that.

>>11550287
just make your own toys 3d printing exists

>>11550287
It's literally only $20 more to buy from either Amazon US or BBTS than it was after shipping for me to import directly from Japan. Maybe slightly more than $20 for something like a Mafex or something, but for your average $60 import, I was paying about $80 with Japan Airmail shipping. US sites are only listing SHFs for like $100, some cheaper. Just buy from Amazon and shut the fuck up already, goddamn.

>>11550294
Amazon doesn't sell Figma or Revoltech anymore thoughever

>>11550289
But would it survive getting hit by a hammer?

Remember last year when tarrifs literally wouldn't have any affect on the price of imports? China was gonna pay for it, right?
And now things are more expensive
>b-b-but here's why that's good actually!
What's the cope gonna be in 3 years when foreign companies don't bend over backwards to develop state side manufacturing and honestly why would they? Every factory not on their soil is a liability.
You expect domestics to fill the void?
What incentive is there to spend billions over decades to spin up critical manufacturing infrastructure when they can wait to Donny to kick the bucket, that is if the tarrifs even make it out of appeals.
Shock treatment was never a viable solution to onshoring America's production capacity. Turns out you can't run a country with "concepts of a plan."

>>11550299
Bold face lie. You can get Deathstroke on there right now for $110. Deadpool 2.5 is intjink another $10 more.

>>11550309
>You can get Deathstroke on there right now for $110
>Sold by Toys Japan Express

>>11549499
>That is actively hurting the US economy
Please elaborate

There is just straight up no domestic production for a lot of these goods. There won't be. We made decisions long ago that make that completely unfeasable. I don't know why conservatives think you can put that back in the bottle but it's not going to happen. These companies will just charge you more for imported goods now because guess what, you have no alternative.

So the end result is just you and I paying more and the extra money getting thrown into the giant bloated money pit that is the federal government. No investment will be made in domestic production. You are cheering your own ass getting fucked violently

>>11550294
amazon is extremely unreliable and doesn't even get most imports

>>11550316
Hell, when the tariff stuff was starting, around May, many imported items from Takara just dissapeared. All the listings were either gone or now sold by third party. These were all directly sold by Amazon.

>>11550294
Unless you are getting Chinese Knock offs of Diaclone!

>>11550308
>Shock treatment was never a viable solution to onshoring America's production capacity.
Indeed, especially when you are always two weeks away from "Infrastructure Week"!

>>11550308
>What's the cope gonna be in 3 years when foreign companies don't bend over backwards to develop state side manufacturing

No cope, only rope. Democrats will have a mandate in 2028 once fat retards realize everything they buy from Walmart is produced in China/Vietnam and they have to buy boutique shit that's literally ten times the price for the same quality if they want that "Made in the USA" sticker.

>>11550328
There is a reason they are trying to rig the elections, they are well aware how unpopular this all is before the damage has even really set in.

>>11550313
So? What's your point? It's still sold on Amazon that will pay for whatever tariffs if there are any. The point is you can purchase it off Amazon for $110.

>Inb4 globohomo interdimitional likes demonrat reeeeee
I am not against the idea of onshoring but none of the measures taken this year are a feasible way of accomplishing that.
The CHIPS and Science act was an ideal model for bringing back industries that we rely on heavily but that process was always going to glacial and wouldn't fit neatly into an election cycle for red team or blue team to take the credit.

>>11550302
Do you want print quality, durability, or price? Pick two.

>>11550315
>There is just straight up no domestic production for a lot of these goods. There won't be. We made decisions long ago that make that completely unfeasable.
So? Why does that make it ok to import Chinese goods without having to pay your duty fees like you otherwise would've had to? Too many shitty drop shipping companies were getting around paying fees to try and over charge people for shitty Temu products.

>I don't know why conservatives think you can put that back in the bottle but it's not going to happen. These companies will just charge you more for imported goods now because guess what, you have no alternative.
I'm sorry, but the country shouldn't be losing out on billions of dollars annually just so PussyGrabber69 can peddle his shitty merch duty free. I'm all for lowering the de minimis amount to something more reasonable like $200 or even like someone else suggested $400. But $800 is too much and too many people are taking advantage of that.

>So the end result is just you and I paying more and the extra money getting thrown into the giant bloated money pit that is the federal government. No investment will be made in domestic production. You are cheering your own ass getting fucked violently
You're missing the point bud and quite frankly I'm too tired to bother explaining it further to you.

>>11550340
Why should we be charged extra for small items like that? It's horse shit.

>>11550350
I literally say we shouldn't but that the $800 limit was too high. Didn't you even read what I wrote?

>>11550309
Show me all the new preorders for Figma and Revo on Amazon.

>>11550322
Yeah they had Figma Marcille for like $60 but took her down and never got her again

>>11550308
>China was gonna pay for it, right?
Just like how Mexico was gonna pay for the wall. How can he be so retarded

>>11550340
>I'm tired and can't explain myself jeez
>please continue to read all my paragraphs and essays I will write

>>11550340
>I'm sorry, but the country shouldn't be losing out on billions of dollars annually

Are you one of those retards who still think it is the country exporting or the big business that's footing the tariffs? Lmao, you are dense as fuck. They're all just passing those to the customer. None of these businesses are going to be eating the tariffs.

Also, are you idiots really so gullible that you think this money is really going to be used to "pay down the national debt" when they forced through their megaspending bill that is going to add another $4 trillion+ to the national debt?

This shit isn't going to do shit except make literally everything cost way more, in a sinking economy that is getting worse with every step taken.

>>11550370
>Are you one of those retards who still think it is the country exporting or the big business that's footing the tariffs?
No. I'm referring to the loss of money from companies importing goods and not having to pay duty fees when they absolutely should be. I'm all for de minimis existing in order to protect the average citizen from import fees when we buy a random item from overseas, but all these companies shouldn't be taking advantage of the high threshold. Drop it from $800 to $400 and you pretty much solve this.

You didn't even read my response going off the rest of your post. Please be less stupid.

>>11550340
>Why does that make it ok to import Chinese goods without having to pay your duty fees.
Well, what makes it not ok? What purpose do duty fees serve?

>>11550340
>Too many shitty drop shipping companies were getting around paying fees to try and over charge people for shitty Temu products
That doesn't even make sense with your own rhetoric. They take advantage of the lower/no fees to ...charge people more? That's not what was happening... The "problem" is the goods offered are too attractive at the prices they were being offered

>I'm sorry, but the country shouldn't be losing out
Losing out on what? More +tip for Israel? There is no competitive domestic counterpart and nobody is investing in that.

You're not tired you're a golem

>>11550425
Prices which are taken care of by tariffs so that people are less incentivized to import chink sit from China. They will either buy American, or eventually buy American once manufacturing returns to US shores.

>>11550425
>once manufacturing returns to US shores.
Its cute you guys still think this going to happen when its very obvious most of this will get undone by the usual game of political musical chairs, most businesses are just going to do nothing for 4 years and hope the worst of this goes away, even while they say they're committing to increasing US manufacturing its all so they can just buy off tax cuts from the current administration.

>>11550425
>What purpose do duty fees serve?
Are you paying coy right now? Every country does this, the US in fact was the only country that had de minimis in place.

>They take advantage of the lower/no fees to ...charge people more? That's not what was happening...
I didn't say this. They're taking advantage by importing goods without having to pay fees. How is this so difficult to understand? I never said anything about what the consumer pays. Why is it ok for these companies to import duty free when no other country does that?

>Losing out on what? More +tip for Israel? There is no competitive domestic counterpart and nobody is investing in that.
Are you people pretending or are you actually retarded? Or at the very least do you not read the post you're fuckin replying to?

Any one actually have a duty charge from USPS yet? I got 2 packages in today that just skirted before the deadline. Is today truly the last day before we start seeing charges?

>>11550454
I also got a package in and didn't have to pay fees. But customs had it since like the 26th so maybe that has something to do with it.

>>11550454
Pretty sure the plan is for USPS to do fuck all, they want other countries to collect the duties. Who knows.

>>11550432
>buy American
Literally not possible for many things

I'm not sure you understand the absolutely massive investment it would be to start producing shit domestically. So massive that it would be an unreasonable risk to even attempt it before seeing if the tariff shit rolls back(it will), even if it takes 4 years.

>>11550432
>once manufacturing returns to US shores
Not happening.

>>11550466
>I'm not sure you understand the absolutely massive investment it would be to start producing shit domestically.
Not to mention labor cost, unless Anon wants to work in sweatshop conditions...

>>11550393
>You didn't even read my response going off the rest of your post. Please be less stupid.

Yes, I did, and your argument is the hollow BS that companies should pay the tariffs out of pocket, when we all know that they're just passing them on to the customer/consumer.

These tariffs do nothing but hurt consumers and/or small legit businesses. This shit is nothing but sweeping measures that, while meant to catch the people gaming the system, but also hurting far more people in the process.

And your "well, I'd be fine with lower De Minimis" doesn't fucking make a difference, because that's not what happened. You can't defend this bullshit when the ONE thing that SHOULD have happened to not make this a total clusterfuck for everyone didn't happen.

>>11550352
Yeah, you're wrong, twat

>>11550447
>Are you paying coy right now? Every country does this, the US in fact was the only country that had de minimis in place
Didn't answer the question

> Why is it ok for these companies to import duty free when no other country does that?
Because they produce things we literally don't. We have spent decades upon decades offshoring and planting deep roots in foreign industry and then turn around and pretend they are trying to fuck us?

>Are you people pretending or are you actually retarded? Or at the very least do you not read the post you're fuckin replying to?
Dodging the question again.

Not compelling. Voters will be wondering why their pockets are light in 4 years and this pie in the sky horse shit won't be compelling to them

>>11550432
There's a really great video of this guy trying to make a dead simple product in America exclusively with American made components.
It's a $40 grill brush and many of the parts are hand machined because there is not way to mass produce them without importing giant plastic die foundries, worth millions of dollars.
Works no better than $3 dollar grill brush from Walmart.
Now scale that to the level of cars, medical supplies, medications, house hold appliances electrical wires, and microprocessors.
Starting to see the issue?

>>11550472
Stop throwing a temper tantrum like a baby. I literally said in my original post that this country lacks nuance. I'm just trying to explain why de minimis for $800 is a bad thing for the country. It doesn't affect large companies ordering more than $800 and was only a thing for the past 9 years so acting like these small mom and pop businesses are suddenly going to go under because de minimis is gone is a fallacy at best.

>>11550476
>Didn't answer the question
You think you're smart, figure it out.

>Because they produce things we literally don't.
Once again, did you read what you're replying to? I'm talking about companies importing goods from overseas, not ones literally producing them.

>We have spent decades upon decades offshoring and planting deep roots in foreign industry and then turn around and pretend they are trying to fuck us?
Yeah and it was a shitty policy back in the 70s when we started doing it. Too bad it took half a fucking century to turn heel.

>Voters will be wondering why their pockets are light in 4 years and this pie in the sky horse shit won't be compelling to them
Don't really care. People can cry all they want, if it ultimately brings money back into the country, I'll be alright with Youtuber8899 having to pay fees to import his shitty merch. Once again, all they need to do is reimplement de minimis for $400 or less and it solves the big thing you sucks are whining about, importing your toys.

>>11550488
>ultimately brings money back into the country
Which it won't you stupid psycho.

>>11550488
It's becoming abundantly clear you have no grasp of any of this with all the deflecting you're doing. Really, really good goy though

>>11550489
Making companies pay the fees they wouldn't have otherwise under de minimis absolutely brings money into the country. Stop crying like a bitch.

>>11550490
If you insist. I tried explaining it to you but you conveniently ignored those parts, nothing I can really do about that.

>>11550491
Explain in detail why this system shock approach is preferable to a ground up roadmap like the one found in the CHIPS and Science act.

>>11550432
>once manufacturing returns to US shores
This is pretty much impossible, I don't know how you gullible retards that fell for the conman's cons still cannot see that. It's not coming back. No companies are planning to come back because it is so unfeasible. They are just moving to the next third world country that has the lowest tariff. US manufacturing can't come back and it won't come back. As long as Trump and his followers refuse to admit this, American consumers and American small businesses will continue to suffer and become poorer.

Also it is stupid and unnecessary for the US to isolate from the rest of the world anyway. Being isolationist is not possible anymore and there are many more benefits to being a part of the global trade system and maintaining positive trade relations with foreign allies. This """plan""" really does not make any sense and there is no benefit to it.

>>11550494
I never said this approach was good and that we should completely eliminate de minimis. I in fact advocate for just decreasing the threshold. I've stated this multiple times and that the current administrations way of handling this lacks nuance. But that doesn't take away the fact that $800 de minimis is too high and that many companies were taking advantage of that. Stop looking for things to get mad at bro.

>>11550500
Nah, it wasn't too high at all

>>11550500
Y'know what my bad. I quoted the wrong anon.
At the very least we are in agreement that lowering the threshold for de minimis would be smarter.

>>11550466
Investment is paid for with tariffs

>>11550530
Unlikely considering the 4 trillion tacked onto the national debt to give billionaires MORE tax breaks.

>>11550479
So all you do is consume globalist propaganda all day or something? Are you at least paid to shill that shit on mongolian basketweaving forums?

>>11550495
>It's completely impossible to build a factory or construct complicated plastic manufacturing machines!!!
>But third world shitholes totally can! They have no problem setting up complex factories for any goods you can think of!
>It's just totally impossible to do that in North America. The technology just cannot be replicated there!

Just how stupid are you?
Or how stupid do you think everyone else is?

>>11550533
That's WHY they get the tax breaks. It incentivizes more investment into more areas creating more jobs for morons like you. A tax break for a billionaire directly leads to investment into the economy elsewhere.

>>11550541
Yeah Reaganomics worked out so well last time.

>>11550541
>A tax break for a billionaire directly leads to investment into the economy elsewhere.
It explicitly does NOT!
From Reganomics to the fucking Kansas Experiment, time and time again has proven the rich just hoard wealth.

>>11550550
Exactly, yet they keep doing it because the rich foot their campaign bills.

>>11550539
I think you are stupid if you think technology is the only/main issue.

>>11550508
I appreciate that, but goddamn dude, I couldn't have made my stance any more clear. Pay attention to who you get in a tizzy with next time.

>>11550537
>Are you at least paid to shill that shit on mongolian basketweaving forums?
He's going to keep shilling it till USAID funding totally dries up.

>>11550541
Name a single time that has actually happened.

>>11550539
It's not impossible, but it is extremely expensive. Why do all that when you can just pass the cost of the tariffs onto the consumer, who has no other option? It just doesn't make sense.

>>11550571
This in lies the issue, there should be something in place to prevent companies from passing those costs off to the consumer. I understand these companies need to make money too, but these tariffs should be designed to punish companies importing the goods, not the consumers who buy the goods.

>>11550541
Lol. In theory and on paper that's what it is for, but we all know it goes straight to CEO's and shareholder's pockets. There's a reason why CEOs are getting bigger bonuses than ever, and companies have been posting record profits, while simultaneously most of their employees have to work three jobs just to pay rent and buy groceries.

All these companies do is pocket the government funds, and then lay off most of the people who work for them, and then cut the pay of the few overworked people that remain.

>>11550537
You enjoy slapping your fat fingers on your keyboard today because of mutually beneficial international trade. You would live in a much different world if we pulled our pants down and shat on the table every time we had trade negotiations. I wish people like you would just turn on NASCAR and shut the fuck up

>>11550539
The cheap labor is what cannot be replicated, which is why there is no reason to build here

>>11550587
>Slave labor is ok as long as it's for muh little plastic army men and other cheap shit from Temu
Lmao

>>11550589
Well, that IS why Trump (and the Republicans as a whole) are working their hardest to eliminate things like Unions, OSHA, and other worker protections, that way they can bring cheap labor back here. Just go ahead and bring back the 18 hour work days where you're working with toxic chemicals with your hands all day, or licking paintbrushes with radioactive materials on them all day so that you get face cancer and your jaw slowly rots away.

>>11550589
It is the only way for our standard of living to maintain itself. Not just for unimportant things like toys, but for furniture, electronics and other things we take for granted. If everyone is paid the same, everyone is poor.

>>11550666
If you're buying all your shit, including furniture, from China, then I feel bad for you. Buy some actual quality shit anon.

>>11550683
Most quality shit is imported from somewhere

>>11550683
There's no quality shit in th US

>>11550577
Why does anyone need to be punished? What's wrong with importing? What was wrong with things the way they were before tariffs? America can't do everything by itself. Absolute and comparative advantage is econ 101 shit

>>11550589
The ethics of overseas labor is irrelevant. The fact is, America doesn't have the required labor force and it's not realistic to build it. Companies won't/can't set wages that would make anyone actually want those jobs. Additionally, no one would even know what to do if they've never had a factory job before. So you are going to need to invest time and resources into training. Plus they will eventually just be replaced by robots and AI. Speaking of technology, a lot of it is going to need to be imported so you have to do the thing you aren't supposed to do and will get punished for doing so…

The other biggest problem is how much you need to figure out on the supply chain and logistics side of things. You can't just build a factory and begin production overnight. If you were forced to start a proper business and given one year to do so and make a profit, could you do it? It's something that would take years, even a decade for even established corporations to set up. And in that time, tariffs are changing every week, there is economic uncertainty and financial strain for you and your workers, if you even have them. It's not just a massive investment, it's a massive gamble. Let's say some company takes that gamble and years later they manage to set up shop only to lose money and not be able to make any profit. Then what? Everything was for nothing and everyone loses their jobs

>>11550683
If we're talking quality furniture in America, not Ikea type crap, you have to pay out the ass to get something made by Amish or something.

>>11550713
>America can't do everything by itself.
Trump seems to think it can. Typical narcissist.

>>11550713
>America can't do everything by itself
It CAN and SHOULD. It used to for a lonnnnnnnng time. You're conflating businesses being lazy and greedy in their pursuit of literal slave labor as a country being incapable of something.
>could you do it
This literally used to happen all the time. Sometimes more, sometimes less. Heck, some of the massive factories we still have were set up incredibly quick. Again, you're falling for corporate propaganda when history quite literally teaches you otherwise. America was a factory country for the longest time until, again, slave labor entered the equation. Setting up a factory and the logistics behind doing so is a completely solved problem. It's rarely done anymore because rich people would rather be ultra rich rather than just rich.
>>11550596
>eliminate things like Unions, OSHA, and other worker protections,
Where the fuck do you people keep on pulling this garbage from?

>>11550728
We're going to be at these greedy businesses owner into shape so we employ more Americans! HOW? Well by *checks notes* giving them MORE tax breaks, gutting regulations, and leveraging higher taxes on the daily consumer?
Okay and somehow as a result of that they'll offer high wages and generous pension plans... out of the kindness of their heart??
Are you starting to get the point?
What you want isn't likely and even if it was the approach Trump is taking makes it literally impossible.

>>11550728
>It used to for a lonnnnnnnng time.
No it didn't. It still traded with Europe, particularly Britain, and Africa. France was crucial to America’s success in the Revolutionary War. Fucking France, man... Early America pretty much leeched off Europe from the start.

>>11550713
Because they have caused both the American workers to suffer from the loss of labor in their home country, and the damage to the economy for an extra dollar. They are selling out their own nation to save small amounts of money, that needs to be a punishable offense.

>>11550587
It doesn't need to be cheap, strengthening the value of the dollar though a growing economy means the pay rate means more. It has higher value overall. An American worker in a strong economy will be more valuable than a third worlder in a sweatshop.

>>11550751
>in a strong economy
Being the key point here.

>>11550577
There is, it's called not buying shit from them ever again. That's how we let the free market decide who lives and who dies. Quit buying from the companies that churn out chink slop, quit buying from the companies that makes shit at your own expense. Don't let them win. Nobody needs chink plastic anyway.

>>11550753
But... but it's cheaper...

>>11550753
You know where most of your toys are made, right?

>>11550596
Trump is working to loosen the communist grip on the American workplace. 99% of those regulations are fucking ridiculous and do nothing to help anyone at all, you can be fired in an afternoon for absolutely no reason right now under the perfect worker protected program. Quit kidding yourself that you have freedoms right now, the entire econmic system in the US is hindered by the communists that worked for decades to ruin it and destroy the US from within. It was only meant to harm the companies and destroy the workplace in an ongoing effort to destroy the US.

>>11550577
But I mean, where else are they gonna get the goods, the raw material? Annex Canada?

>>11550756
Wait, lemme guess, DA JEWS, right?

>>11550728
>It CAN and SHOULD
Okay I see you don't want to see things logically and just want to live in retarded fantasy land. One man should not decide for all of us our country will be cutting itself off from the rest of the world, especially when he doesn't have any real justification for it other than a four word slogan. And again as I said, there is no reason to do that. Trade has been a cornerstone of civilization forever. You want to talk about history then what about the triangle trade? America got slaves from Africa, textiles from Europe, sugar and coffee from South America. Why should America waste resources trying and likely failing to create inferior goods or substitutes for goods that can simply be bought from other countries that have an absolute advantage in those goods?

Can't believe I have to explain middle school history and high school economics to you anon. Trumpers are embarrassing.

>>11550713
>America can't do everything by itself
It absolutely can and should. There needs to be ZERO dependence on other nations for a single damn thing. Nations should be depending on the US, not the other way around.

>>11550760
>create inferior goods or substitutes
That's the thing though. Trumpers unironically believe that America is great in everything.

>>11550755
You don't NEED them, you WANT them. That is the key difference here.
You are somehow pretending that you require chink slop to continue living, and that's stupid.

>>11550751
It needs to be cheap so most people can afford it. You can't force businesses to raise wages

>>11550762
>anon says, living in his parent's basement.

You got /pol/ in my /toy/, anon.

>>11550762
Suddenly feelings take precedence over facts and logic

>>11549031 (OP)
BASED TRUMP! HE IS OUR GOD EMPEROR!

EVERYONE GIVE HIM YOUR MEME MAGIC!!!
AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHU

>>11550756
You don't have a job.

Do you dumbdumbs not understand why the US and its business sectors outsourced everything? Youre a fucking idiot if you think this is going to encourage or bring US manufacturing back. How fucking gullible are you.

>>11550795
because Americans are fat and lazy

what a bunch of spergs

>>11549031 (OP)
I just discovered the possible worst from a botched HLJ order.
I paid for EMS, unfortunately during a delay, which ended up being already long enough for a return to sender. I'm happy my order's back in PW, but i still fucked up in waiting too long at all for no good reason.

>>11550861
God I am so hard right now

HLJ is going to be making it harder to cancel preorders because of this shit

Why do you little girls act like the sky is falling over literally every tiny thing that happens? Are your lives so boring and safe that this is the only form of conflict? Sad, and pretty pathetic really. None of you are men. Just little boys.

>>11550432
>They will either buy American, or eventually buy American once manufacturing returns to US shores.
This kind of economic restructuring requires a long term strategic vision for global competition. Trump's own employees can't even get aligned on what the fuck the plan is with these tariffs. As soon as the Democrats get in, which they eventually will, they'll be gone.
Now in a planned economy with a government that basically has a supreme leader? *cough China cough*, yeah you can do this. But America has been full pedal down on a globalist capitalist economy and tugging on the brakes like this randomly isn't going to do jack apart from cause short term chaos.

>>11550901
Spoken like someone who doesn't have to pay their bills.

>>11550921
>If I'm not a broke retard that can only afford the cheapest of Chinese shit, I must not pay my own bills
Shut up loser. Just because you live at the poverty level doesn't mean the rest of us do. Get a job.

>>11550901
"Flushing money down the toilet is masculine actually"

-Retard who has lost an argument

>>11549084
DHL charging fees on top is bullshit. Let me pay the fees onshore.

>>11550589
Yes.

>>11550924
Sounds like you're not very good with money

>>11550955
>Loser on 4chan who is kevetching about pricing on goods no one is forcing him to buy is trying to give financial advice
Lol, lmao even. You guys are so broken that anyone who isn't a broke loser must be a rich snob. Seriously, get a job.

>>11550937
You're unrionically crying because your literal toys cost more. Yeah, you're a little boy.

>>11550885
Can’t really blame them. This is going to fuck them big time.

>>11550965
Good boy, keep paying your goyim tax so Israelies can have queer origies under the iron dome that you paid for!
Hey if your under 35 you might even get to die in a Venezuelan jungle so Exxon can post record profits AGAIN for the next decade!

>>11550965
Bro, everything costs more now cause of your shitty choices

>>11550980
Hey, fighting in a forever war might actually give you a backbone and give you some hair in your chest.

>>11550965
We're coming for your autism bux next I'm afraid

>>11550983
Holy good goy!

>>11550983
>>11550965
>>11550901
This is possibly the most retarded and transparent masculine posturing I've even heard, dollars to donuts you are fucking wheelchair bound or something

>>11550996
I don't get autismbux tho.

>>11550998
Lmao, cope. I'm sick of you little girls crying because your import figures are going to cost $10 more and take an extra 2 weeks for Amazon to get them. Boo fucking hoo. Inb4
>Hurr everything will be more expensive though!

I don't believe a single one of you buys your own groceries.

>>11550596
>Well, that IS why Trump (and the Republicans as a whole) are working their hardest to eliminate things like Unions, OSHA, and other worker protections, that way they can bring cheap labor back here.
They'd rather we just be indentured serfs so they can really be royalty!

>>11550756
>99% of those regulations are fucking ridiculous and do nothing to help anyone at all
Meanwhile here in Iowa, we have to filter enough pig shit out of our drinking water to equal the human sewage quotas of entire nations...

HLJ private warehouse will now have unlimited storage time. Honestly I want to move all of my preorders to HLJ but like half of them are order stopped and idk if I should risk cancelling on other sites

>>11550901
We got an INTERNET TOUGH GUY over here. You're on 4chan. /toy/. You're no better than the rest of us.

>>11550998
nta but what does being in a wheelchair have to do with it? Yes, I am in a wheelchair.

>>11551021
Did you guys recently have a disaster or something?

As someone who remember all mockery from US people about EU and calling us "poor" and such for having higher prices or other problems with shipping, I dare to say - serves you right.

>>11551028
I'm not crying about having to pay more for my toys, I'm just going to grit my teeth and bare it. If I have to pay more, oh well, I can afford it, if I have to be more selective, oh well, it's not like I have infinite space anyway.

You titsucklers are so fucking embarrassing, instead of dealing with this like an adult you sperg out and cry on a public forum. I genuinely hate that I share a hobby with such limp wristed homosexuals.

Back in the day, before de minimis was a thing, you used to go to the post office to pick up your foreign packages. Each package would have a tag/paper listing the cost and the post office would bill you for the duties right there. You'd pay and get your package.

No clue why they can't just do that again - the system was in place before.

Youngsters these days don't remember that no de minimis and no tariffs used to be the norm. The rates we have to pay now are still lower than most of the rest of the world.

>>11551031
I mean you fags will always be poor but i never mocked you guys for suffering customs and duty.

>>11551033
You were alive in the 30s? Damn son.

>>11551033
Did the Somali care taker beat the tar out of you again grandpa? You're talking nonsense. We aren't visiting for Christmas btw

>>11551032
Someone post the bike cuck comic, we have the genuine article right here

>>11551045
>Being ok with having your bike stolen is the same thing as just dealing with paying more for your luxury goods that no one is forcing you to buy.
Nice fallacy you have there. I never said I was happy about having to pay more, just that acting like having to pay an extra $10-$20 for my import toys isn't the end of the goddamn world like the trannies in this thread are making it out to be. Go clutch your pearls somewhere else you Karen.

>>11551032
Just saying “oh well, I’ll deal with it” kinda lets the bigger issue slide. When prices go up for no real reason except greed or laziness and people just shrug it off, it sets a really bad precedent. It tells the companies “yeah, we’re cool with this. Keep raising prices, we won’t fight it.” That’s how we end up with $30 figures that used to cost $20 and come with less stuff. Even if YOU can afford it, a lot of people can’t. And when companies realize only the whales are left buying they either jack up prices even more or stop making the riskier/unique stuff and just flood the market with the same safe. The boring same old figures that sell. Endless Charizards and stuff like that. Everyone loses in the long run.

>>11551030
>Did you guys recently have a disaster or something?
Yeah but that was the usual tornado stuff.
Remember, We're all going to die!

>>11551033
>you used to go to the post office to pick up your foreign packages
What is a "Post Office"?
Is that like an Amazon distribution center or something?

>>11551060
>When prices go up for no real reason except greed or laziness and people just shrug it off, it sets a really bad precedent
I'd hardly call tariffs "greed and laziness" but whatever anon. I understand the point of these tariffs and eliminating de minimis and agree with the idea, but not the execution.

>Even if YOU can afford it, a lot of people can’t.
These are luxury fucking goods brother. Not food, not shelter, nothing any of NEED. Sure we WANT these toys, but we don't NEED them. If you can't afford you luxury hobby, boo fuckin hoo, I'm not going to give you a shoulder to cry on. And yes, I know EVERYTHING IS GUNNA GET MOR SPENSIVE, blah blah blah, I'm still not convinced any of your actually buy your own groceries or pay your own rent.

>And when companies realize only the whales are left buying they either jack up prices even more or stop making the riskier/unique stuff and just flood the market with the same safe. The boring same old figures that sell. Endless Charizards and stuff like that. Everyone loses in the long run.
>Whales
Anon, literally anyone buying toys from any franchise is a fucking whale. Shut the fuck up with this retarded argument.

>n-n-no anon, you see YOU'RE the whale because you have more money for the hobby both you and I share.
This is how you sound you fucking idiot.

>>11551070
>Not food, not shelter, nothing any of NEED.
Because we don't import any food, wood, steel, or manufactured components for ANYTHING...

>>11551074
I'll say it again, I don't believe a single fucking one of you losers buys your own groceries.

>>11551070
>I'd hardly call tariffs "greed and laziness"
Oh, you're a Trumper. That explains it. I realize there's no point in arguing with you any further. Have a good day.

>>11551070
>Anon, literally anyone buying toys from any franchise is a fucking whale. Shut the fuck up with this retarded argument.
YOU shut the fuck up. A Mutant Mayhem or whatever is a bit different than a Hot Toy. Are you Oprah? Did you know how a gas pump works?

>>11551079
Why are you babymen like this? Point to me on the action figure where the Orange Man touched you.

>>11551084
See >>11551073. You're just as much of a whale as someone buying a Hot Toys. People who are casual fans of something don't go out and buy toys from their franchise of choice. Such delusion.

>>11551078
Ok, what does that have to do with the price of house construction going though the roof?
Issue is a lot bigger than our pathetic manchild asses Anon, so the fact that your defending policy that literally anyone who knows anything about economics says is fucking stupid is rather rich.

>>11551078
Way to miss the point. What difference is it if your mom buys it or you buy it if it does not come from America and you want it? There is no way fucking Hawaii for instance would be able to support all of America's coffee wants.

>>11551026
Is it just me though or has combining with EMS and DHL always been more expensive than shipping individually using Airmail SP? For example if I have 2 figures I wanted to ship using airmail its 2000 yen each, but the combined EMS is 4500 and DHL 5500. Its only ever made sense when you had 1 heavy item that exceeded Airmail limits already or if you just wanted something really fast as couriers are usually 4x faster.

>>11551088
>You should totally believe me, the armchair economist on 4chan
You need to shut the fuck up too anon. Imagine being so up your own ass.

>JUST BUY THE CHEAP CHINESE SLOP GOYIM!
Imagine defending the CCP just because they provide you with cheap shit.

>>11551093
I don't know, you are WAY farther up!

>>11551087
Hey, you guys are the ones that mass complained about family members ostracizing them after the vote. You're the ones that can't take rejection or criticism or arguement. Get used to it, bucko.

>>11551098
>Sent from an Iphone

>>11551099
Hey, I'm not the one crying on the internet because I have to pay $10 more for my action figgies

>>11551100
>Hey, you guys are the ones that mass complained about family members ostracizing them after the vote.
No I didn't? Anyone who wants to ostracize me just because we have a difference of opinion on politics is probably someone I don't really need to associate with anyway. But if they want to cut contact, that's on them.


>You're the ones that can't take rejection or criticism or arguement. Get used to it, bucko.
Is this projection?

>>11551101
>Using foxconn parts
Don't do this.

>>11551091
I find shipping a bunch of things at once is always cheaper really, but I’m normally shipping 4-5 things at once when I do. There’s definitely a spot where you are paying more for the bigger boxes than you are saving in individual shipping though.

>>11551104
>Hey, I'm not the one crying on the internet because I have to pay $10 more for my action figgies
Neither was I, but stupid policy is stupid.

>>Using foxconn parts
>Don't do this.
And how would you know?
Did you go through every electronic device to source all the parts?

>>11551104
Maybe not you personally, but a lot of people that voter for Trump did. It says a lot about their moral fiber or whatever. They have a real nimby mentality. They're fine with bad stuff happing to other people, just not them.

>>11551091
I have never used anything besides Airmail SP because they are always more expensive. Even on orders I have combined Airmail has been cheaper and I do not mind waiting a few more days

>>11551107
>Neither was I
Could've fooled me. I literally said the idea is sound, but that I disagree with the execution. But you chose to ignore that part.

>And how would you know?
Because Apple uses foxconn parts you plebian. And I'm posting from my PC, my CPU came from an Intel fab in Arizona. My memory was made in Washington, my GPU is literally embargo'd from being used in China. It's called not using shitty parts you absolute swine.

>>11551108
The only people that cut off family members for me were the Democrats in my family getting mad at the Trump supporters. I have like two cousins that won't talk to me because I voted for the guy they don't like. So it's not on me brother, sounds like more projection.

>>11551104
>Anyone who wants to ostracize me just because we have a difference of opinion on politics is probably someone I don't really need to associate with anyway. But if they want to cut contact, that's on them.
That's called "sour grapes" anon. I'm pretty sure politics are a valid reason.

>>11551110
>And I'm posting from my PC, my CPU came from an Intel fab in Arizona. My memory was made in Washington, my GPU is literally embargo'd from being used in China.
Ok, where did your case come from?

>>11551120
Your mother made it for me

>>11551122
Doubtful, and even then the fittings most likely came from China.

>>11551104
>Is this projection?
No, it's an accusation. You calling it projection is just a way for you to avoid engaging with it. Ironically, THAT could be a form of deflection. The “get used to it, bucko” was just mockery and not needed though, I do apologize for that.

>>11549052
Evangelicals will be the end of us all and that's literally what they want

>>11551105
Yeah. I usually order from amiami or mandarake, so at most there may be 4/5 from the same month/store, but its usually less.
>>11551109
Glad its not just me then.

>>11551110
>The only people that cut off family members for me were the Democrats in my family getting mad at the Trump supporters.
I sadly know people like that irl, one of my friend refuses to speak to her dad because he voted trump. We live in a blue state so it was not like his vote mattered here. It did help flip a seat in our district to red and it really pissed her off even though she doesnt live in our district anymore.

You're all fucking schizos

>>11551049
Nobody is saying it's the end of the world, you brought that to the table. This is a toy hobby board. Do you expect people to be pleased?

>Go clutch your pearls somewhere else you Karen.
Don't use a turn of phrase if you don't know what it means you giant baby man

I just had an order ship out from Hobby Genki that they didn't even charge me shipping for yet, and it's supposed to arrive tomorrow via DHL. I am very confused because I thought nothing was coming out of Japan right now, and also DHL isn't touching Japanese goods. I have a feeling I'm in for a bad time when the DHL guy shows up

>>11551168
Just from Japan Mail, there national postal service. UPS and DHL Express are still processing packages, and so is FedEx I believe. They have infrastructure in place in order to deal with the tariffs. See >>11549084. Doesn't seem like it will be too bad. Certainly not as bad as I was expecting.

>>11551172
If I don't pay will they return to sender and refund me? I'm not flushing 40 dollars down the toilet and wish they would have contacted me before shipping

>>11551184
>If I don't pay will they return to sender and refund me
They'll return it to sender, not sure about the refund process, that's up to Genki.

>>11551184
>I'm not flushing 40 dollars down the toilet and wish they would have contacted me before shipping
It won't be that much if it's just a single item.

>>11549031 (OP)
why would the woke media do this?

>>11550920
This is why Trump needs that third term. They simply cannot let the Democrats fuck up the works and screw over the workers yet again, for feelgood stupid shit, that in reality is just more Socialism meant to disrupt all companies.

>>11551152
>Angry customers are now "schizos"

This is not how a business treats its customers

>>11550980
Actually you are paying for the common Israeli citizen to have things every American wishes they had.
Like free healthcare
free dental
free education
lowered housing cost
assistance for people on long term are, elderly, and child care
and their trains are not roving fucking dumpsters, they are maintained

you paid for that.

>>11551130
They seem to be following the ol' 2009 Barthandelus school of salvation. They just make everything so bad the world must end and thus it will be saved. It's not just toys, every industry and area of human civilization is and has been going downhill.

>>11551217
What exactly is the reason you guys trust Vance so little that we need an 82 year old man to run for office again? What is it he can’t do a sundowning old man can?

>>11550981
Everything cost more because the American people stood by and allowed Biden to be installed as president, despite the actual election outcome. And that senile globalist puppet went full force in fucking DESTROYING the economy as much as humanly possible in just four years. Now eggs cost $10 a dozen.

>>11551218
I'm not a business and you aren't my customer you fucking schizo.

Like moths to the flame, one ignorant post attracts all the ignorant. You "people" need to stick to /pol/.

>>11551070
None of them can put it all together that yes, things will be more expensive, but at the same time there will be more higher quality, higher paying jobs for Americans across the board. Plus stronger economy means higher value for the US dollar for goods too so everyone over here does immensely better overall for whatever luxury shit they want to buy.

>>11551287
>at the same time there will be more higher quality, higher paying jobs for Americans across the board
No.

>>11551110
>The only people that cut off family members for me were the Democrats in my family getting mad at the Trump supporters. I have like two cousins that won't talk to me because I voted for the guy they don't like. So it's not on me brother, sounds like more projection.

That is how it actually works. The only people cancelling anyone or losing family over politics are the Democrats hating on anyone for not being exactly like them, and I mean EXACTLY 1:1 like them in all things. Disagree with then on a single subject but agree on 99 others, they will still call you the horrible enemy nazi and hate you forever. It's liberals that are always losing their shit if they see a red hat of any kind in public and demand someone's life be ruined forever over it. Nobody else.

>>11551221
Because Vance was an outspoken NeverTrumper until the second it became profitable to stop saying that. He's a puppet and willing sycophant waiting for the next sugar daddy to give him money to say whatever they want. He cannot be trusted in the big chair.

>>11551305
>He's a puppet and willing sycophant waiting for the next sugar daddy to give him money to say whatever they want. He cannot be trusted in the big chair.
So... No Republican whatsoever then?

>>11550921
>>11550937
Stop buying toys, retard.

>>11551230
You are calling the people complaining about the activities of these businesses "schizos", that is the connection.

>>11551325
Where do you think you are?

>>11551287
Without cheap labor there is no toy manufacturing. Sorry, anon, you have been fooled by a con. Hopefully one day you can look back on this when manufacturing is still not back and you still have to work shitty service jobs, and you can learn something from this moment.

>>11551305
That's exactly why he is needed. He can be bought by business interests to remove the tariffs so we can get back to business as usual and buying cheap chinese junk again, because that is the ONLY way Americans will have any semblance of quality of life in the future. Unskilled $40/hr jobs are NOT coming and never will be. I will never have a manufacturing job, not do I want one. They are dangerous. Manufacturing causes pollution which causes health problems among those near the plants. Leave the manufacturing in China. We don't need this country to look like a 1920s steel town. You may be ignorant enough to not know when the skies were clouded by soot in this country and what London fog really was made out of, but if you actually learned from history you could find out.

>>11551330
He won't learn anon. In 5, 10 years time, after another pendulum swing and there still isn't manufacturing back, he's just gonna blame it on the "libtards" ruining things that coulda, shoulda happened

>>11551327
/pa/ - Plastic Addiction

I wonder how the tariffs will affect smaller indie companies like NECA

>>11551367
well playmates will get by fine given their global presence
>>11551338
>no anon, Trump is a smart businessman. he knows what he's doing and we need more places to turn into Detroit
ah yes, America needs more drugged out towns and immigrants delivering Uber eats for the fatty Americans that can't walk

So I guess eBay warns you now that you have to pay customs at shipment received if you buy shit outside the US now.
I don't even care about the extra cost. I work at the same hours I receive packages. How's that supposed to work?

>>11551385
So like everything now? Since ebay is just aliexpress with an extra step.

>>11551385
Everything is going to get worse

>>11551367
What? The same way it's affecting every company right now.

>>11551418
I don't see non American company getting effected by this as much take blokees for example, they sell well enough in Asia and just recently started up in America

I guess Hobby Genki charges shipping up front, I should have cancelled. The government wants a 32 dollar tip for my 115 shipped figure. I'm not sure I want to pay bros

>>11551385
You'll get an email to pay before they attempt delivery, they aren't gonna show up at your door demanding money

>>11551496
But neither will the package you RIGHTFULLY PAID FOR show up unless you pay. This is known as EXTORTION.

>>11551309
>No politician whatsoever
ftfy

Welp, I'm personally FUCKED because I ordered some figures from Tokyo Otaku Mode and now they aren't shipping because they're "suspended because of De Minimis" or whatever. For context I live in Burgerland. Can someone please do something about the orange blob that keeps fucking everyone over?

I just want my sexy anime plastic.

>>11551514
We're busy SAVING AMERICA! right now to care about jap plastic.

>>11551526
Shut up retard.

>>11551514
Anon, you voted for this. Trump made tariffs one of his campaign promises and you said, "that sounds awesome, please become president and do that."

Americans can't make anything.

>>11551514
What can we do honest question. I've been thinking about it because I don't think it's a well known issue for most people. Would emailing your state's congressmen do anything? Most of mine voted for the big beautiful bill tho

>>11551617
ask Elon musk to open a shipping company to make the price of toys cheaper he's a smart man

>>11551619
Do you know his email address?

>>11551617
I don't think the toy industry is a top priority for the government, anon.

>>11551623
Unironically, try Twitter.

>>11551623
Try a physical letter.

Elon Musk
c/o Tesla, Inc.
3500 Deer Creek Road
Palo Alto, CA 94304
USA

or

Elon Musk
c/o SpaceX
Rocket Road
Hawthorne, CA 90250
USA

>>11551588
Seems like we can make you constantly cry like a little bitch

>>11551491
Well what else are you going to? Refuse it and have it sent back and lose your shipping and get store credit for the figures?

Americans are fat and lazy and will never leave their country to buy the toys they so desperately want from asia

>>11551644
>spend 5k on a trip to Japan for a $100 toy

>>11551647
Holy Shit you Americans really suck with money

>>11551617
Jesus guy, listen to yourself. No one in government is going to care about some niche hobby being slightly more expensive and a bunch of online neckbeards crying about it. Hell, I collect toys and I barely care about you neckbeards crying about it. Ugh, you guys are so fucking embarrassing.

>>11551653
Your hatred of the lower middle class is not admirable.

>>11551654
You're shitting yourself go to the bathroom

>>11551650
Anon if I'm going to Japan, I'm gonna make a whole trip out of it. 5k was probably an exaggeration but last I checked economy tickets themselves were 2k-3k then you have to add food and hotel and other expenses while you're there. Plus I'd probably shop for some cool Japanese clothes. I do want to go to Japan just for travel though and being able to pick up some toys would be a nice bonus but unlikely I'd find everything I want. Too bad you couldn't stockpile all your preorders there and go once a year for vacation and pick them up or something

>>11551657
Holy Fucking Shit you Americans have to go all out and waste as much as possible no wonder you're shitting yourself over $1 price increase for marvel legends of the same characters you buy again and again.

>>11551653
>No one in government is going to care about some niche hobby being slightly more expensive
That is why you center the argument around how the policies have crippled American small businesses. Also why do you keep coming into these threads if you hate it so much? Why don't you go ride your motorcycle or have sex with women or whatever other manly and cool things you fill your real man life with?

>>11551654
I'm just saying anon. No one is going to give a duck about your luxury goods that no one is forcing you to buy being more expensive. Sorry that you're priced out, but stop ruining it for the rest of us.

>>11551509
As I always say, Politicians are like Diapers, they should be check religiously and changed often, least they fill with shit.

>>11551664
why do you brain damaged Americans keep making these cope threads about price increases are you poor? get a job

>>11551664
>That is why you center the argument around how the policies have crippled American small businesses.
That was kind of the point originally of eliminating de minimis. Businesses were using it to skirt around paying duty fees on their orders. This isn't going to be the appeal to reason you think it is.

>Also why do you keep coming into these threads if you hate it so much?
I mean it's been kind of dominating the board lately, I mean not as much as Lego spam, but this is being discussed in every thread it seems.

>Why don't you go ride your motorcycle or have sex with women or whatever other manly and cool things you fill your real man life with?
Good Lord dude, don't get your insecurity all over the thread. Holy shit.

Anyone have a guesstimate on when Trump is gonna do the TACO thing?

>>11551865
After his next stroke?

>>11551873
Well I mean there have been talks about him having dementia. I dont see how the man is even alive at this point.

I think I am going to start spamming my state representatives with phone calls. Be the change you want to see and all that. The plight of /toy/ collectors must be made known! :^)

>>11551875
people can live a very long time with dementia
trump has noticeably declined since his first term, but I wouldn't count on it being fast

>>11551026
Cool I'll just pay the 5 yen til pres dies/terms out.

>>11551217
Bruh, Trump *within his own term* has changed his mind about who is getting what tariffs. Companies invest in manufacturing facilities when countries signal stable environments.

>one week later and postal services still suspended
>no one covering it in the news
>no indication from US to do anything about this

So is it over? Things are not going to just "blow over"? It seems like no one cares that 30 countries won't ship to the US with their national postal service so maybe we will be stuck with DHL and their exorbitant prices until some future politician decides to address the issue if that ever happens...

>>11552393
>It seems like no one cares that 30 countries won't ship to the US
Why would they care? You guys are self sufficient, right?

>>11552393
Keep in mind the media -is- actually evil and against the citizens, in general.

>>11551033
Probably because there are millions upon millions of packages now rather than a handful during the pre-internet days.

>>11552393
Isn't USA the greatest nation on Earth? Why does it matter if dem gooks can no longer terk your jerbs?

In case all you retards aren't aware: Everything is going to go back to normal on October 17th unless the supreme court steps in and says it's okay for Trump to circumvent congress on tariffs. Unlike the previous times the SC upheld Trump's executive orders, this one is a clear violation of the separation of powers and will probably be struck down.

>>11552478
>will probably be struck down.
[citation needed]

>order shipped from china to the US after the 29th
>got here yesterday
>no duties or fees
chinese shippers are based

>>11552478
I think it is wishful thinking desu but it would be nice

>>11552501
China hasn't had de minimis exemption for months. And technically anon you already paid the duties that's why the price was probably marked up by $20 or whatever. But honestly I don't mind paying a little markup if it gives me peace of mind that I won't have any surprise charges when it reaches the US. I hate not knowing what the final price of an item will be. It was already something frustrating about sites like amiami or proxies whose shipping is determined after you place an uncancellable order

>>11552478
I hate to disappoint you, sister, but it's more likely than not that (a) SCOTUS will kick this to next year (at the earliest, and still not likely, the spring), or kick it back downstairs to the lower courts, which will kick it to next year. (b) Congress will, just like they have with rescission, appointments, impoundments and everything else their Orange Jesus has wanted to do that is in their 'separation of powers' and they will keep letting him do whatever the fuck he wants, and that won't change unless the make-up of the House changes in 2026, which is not even a 50/50 thing at the moment.

>>11552522
>China hasn't had de minimis exemption for months. And technically anon you already paid the duties that's why the price was probably marked up by $20 or whatever.
Well that's a relief for me and my new Knockoff Diaclone addiction, but now I don't know about picking up a legit DiaBattles X1...

>>11552560
It could really go either way. Lutnik’s own kids are investing in tariff refunds: that should tell you a lot about the administration’s confidence that they won’t get shot down. At the very least they are hedging their bets.

>>11551026
>"Unlimited!"
>Have to pay
Lol
Lmao even

So we are six days in, has any one actually gotten a duty charge yet?

>>11552661
hard to get charged when nothing is shipping, I had a package that was en route but jp post returned it to sender and that was a week before the deadline

>>11552670
China sells toys too, they have not stopped shipping. More than a few of us get toys from their online stores like gundamnit and bombusbee to name a couple.

>>11552677
china has not been exempt for months, i've gotten 2 packages from china i had to pay duty for, one in june, one in august

>>11552677
I have been wondering about duties from gundamit and bombusbee. Anyone get anything from them in the last week?

>>11552690
Which site and shipping method?

>>11552741
i just got 2 packages from gundamit yesterday, no additional fees, they are prepaid

>>11550315
>There is just straight up no domestic production for a lot of these goods. There won't be. We made decisions long ago that make that completely unfeasable.
yeah, and companies are slowly making the decision that writing, art, and programming are completely unfeasable too....

Tariffs were created hundreds of years ago to protect domestic workers/goods. Companies used to fight for this shit up til the 1960s/1970s, when shipping lanes across the world were made safe by the US navy. Then these companies pushed the government weaken tariffs and make other laws in order to push overseas manufacturing, in order to make a bigger profit (all without lowering their prices for these goods).

I get that gen x, millenials, and zoomers are used to a world where corporate greed is the rule of nature, but it wasn't always the way. Why can't shit be the way it was before the 1960s? Aside from your insistence that corporations and conglomerates must be making billions in profit to pay hundreds of millions in salary to their CEOs....

Governments have been creating laws to protect workers and its people for centuries, so what's wrong with creating more? It's been 50+ years since corporations have banded together to weaken laws against their interests and created laws to strength their powers, so.... maybe it's time for the government and it's people to do something about it?

>b-b-but then my toys will now cost $40 because a giant conglomerate said so!
Why must something that costs 92¢ to make even cost $40?

pic doesn't show the 1%, which are 1300% today

>>11552814
>Why can't shit be the way it was before the 1960
don't worry, we are rapidly moving all the way back to the 1870s, where things were even better!

>>11552814
>>11552833
Hey I happen to like having Indoor Plumbing!

>>11552744
>i just got 2 packages from gundamit yesterday, no additional fees, they are prepaid
but when did they arrive in the US?
That's the thing.

If they arrived in the US before the 30th or whenever, there's no extra fees. Arriving after that? That's where everyone starts to pay.

I rushed to buy quite a few things from Japan last month in order to beat the dedline and most shit got here last week, and even the shit that hasn't gotten to me yet, at least they arrived in the US last week.

>>11552836
again you guys are making this out to be more complicated than it is
you are already paying the tariff on anything you order from china and have been for months
there is no new fee for chinese packages, it is packages from other countries that are now affected

I hate this tariff shit and ending de minimis thing the orange turd-blob has done. I want my plastic, damnit.

>>11549034
It's making me slightly homicidal towards the scum doing them, but I won't stop buying from overseas. Some really good things just aren't available stateside.

>>11549031 (OP)
I will be paying the import fee in pennies mailed directly to the White House. There may or may not be feces in the jar with the pennies.

>>11553123
>I will be paying the import fee in pennies mailed directly to the White House.
Sounds like that would cost a lot to ship.

So it looks like if you had something that shipped the day before the announcement, it will still arrive safe and sound. Got an item that's out for delivery today.

>>11549034
Trump said he doesn't give a shit if people are paying for it, so don't get your hopes up.

>>11552836
NTA I've had a few arrive after the 30th. As anon said, tariffs are prepaid on Gundamit.

>>11553123
Make sure they're ass pennies

He is still making tariff deals… Can he really do that after they were ruled illegal?

>>11554288
Until mid October if he doesn't appeal.

>>11554288
yes
however other countries now find the situation ridiculous and are less inclined to make deals which is why hes trying to fast track a verdict

>>11549034
Yes. I am not really buying anymore. Good for the economy.

>>11555971
>buys importslop
>thinks he was helping our economy
You make no difference.

No one came and saved the collectors, no one did.

>>11556156
I left my state senators a voicemail and they didn't get back to me