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>>11605160 (OP)
>no pastebins
>made before image limit and while the previous thread was still on Page 5

this figure looks like cheap dogshit

>>11605175
Blame tooners for ruining CHUG.

When’s the Transformers panel?

>>11605169
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how is toys are russ so popular with hasbro

dude has a video up with 86 thundercracker and windcharger ahead of the usual suspects (pvp) because he's literally working with Hasbro

so they did make the new mold slightly taller

>>11605197
I hate these poorfag MPs

>>11605193
..fuck windcharger looks good

God damn it Hasbro.

That blue clear plastic with the beautiful cherry red.. ough..

>>11605191
And what page was it on again?

>>11605197
so that nothing matches up with what came before and you have to start all over again.

>>11605202
Everyone should pony up for authentic MPs, like me

>>11605190
like 9 hours I think

>>11605206
That's Hasbro's plan. Make you buy the same G1 tooner shit perpetually by arbitrarily changing things.

>>11605204
Ball jointed wrists for transformation AND swivel on a deluxe?? I can't believe hasbro has finally gotten some sense.

>>11605197
it looks good, imo

honestly
hot take

I like some transformers being smooth and some transformers being greebled

I think jets and sports cars should be smooth

I think rugged tanks and trucks should be greebled

maybe that's just the autism bouba kiki in me speaking

>>11605222
naw dude i'm with you
but I additionally feel the LARGER a guy is, the more he should be greebled.

>>11605175
>>11605179
Calm down and wait for the retool toy homage version with new gribbling and toy accurate colors and tampos, except for that one part which takara will redo and actually make it vintage toy accurate. It's like you guys are new to Transformers collecting or something.

>>11605197
needs silver paint desu

>>11605227
>Gribbling
more transformers should come with pocket sand

alright, getting silver rathalos prime for... slightly less, but sending BBTS a message

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1BRhCoU5pI

Windcharger review.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHpjEPcmXYE

Windcharger transformation.

>>11605244
>>11605245
I said it before (>>11605204) and I'll say it again, this windcharger looks goooooood. Perfect proportions, really nice transformation.. I just hope the clear plastic holds. So much effort put into a dude who showed up for maybe four seconds, dead.

>>11605252
Do you have compound eyes

>>11605175
Why is it so flat

>>11605252
Really excited for the inevitable toy version. The classic masked head will look great.

>>11605227
Takara doesn't do toy decos, retard.

>>11605264
I bet so, although, honestly, I like windcharger having a face, mainly because the classic G1 face looks superhero-like which fits with his magnetism superpower

i wonder why they stopped giving TFs superpowers

>>11605197

Not enough for me to replace my ER ones.

>>11605278
No one gives a fuck about his magnet powers you autist

>>11605286
Well probably because the main trio sans starscream were exclusives

Someone at Hasbro really said “Yup! This is it! This is the new seeker mold for the next decade. Hell, its good enough to raise the price of the entire toyline!” Right before he took another hit of poppers and put the tiwaneese ladyboy’s dick back in his mouth

>>11605289

Exactly. It was tough enough getting all three (to say nothing of the Coneheads), I'm not doing that again.

I already have four sets of the main trio anyway, I'm good.

>>11605175
You faggots seriously aren't catching on, huh? They're making these figures egregiously bad on purpose—the day they make a perfect Megatron/Soundwave is the day they stop selling Megatron/Soundwave.

This guy is growing on me. His cartoonish proportions make some poses really fun.

>>11605292
But megatron wasnt bad

>>11605295
And his bonus wrist joints let him do a wide two-handed grip.

>>11605297
Can you please make sure there arent any non-transformers toys in the background of your photos Spychanger san? Also Seaspray is awesome

>>11605295
Heh, can you do the keep on truckin' pose?

>>11605236
Shut up, Dale.

>>11605295
>Feets, don't fail me now!

>>11605175
>>11605197
Proof that you can have too much detail but you can never have too little.

>>11605303
Nicely done.

"I'm not takin' my sneakers off, I am Seaspray O'Toole."

>>11605287
Not him but the magnet powers are about the only thing anyone cares about for Windcharger you fucking retard. It certainly wasn't his deep characterization.

>>11605300
Hah, you know, that's actually my Powerglide from over a decade ago, now. He's givin' Seaspray lessons. Still got it.

>>11605299
sorry, but no.

>>11605278 (me)

>>11605287
dickwhistler

>>11605308
I like John Stephenson's windcharger voice. RIP.

>>11605308

For a few of us he was our first Transformer back then so he mean something to the dozens of us. They could have done so much more with him using his magnetic powers.

That being said while I will definitely get a Retro version if they decide to do it I do prefer his cartoon look.

>>11605314
Spychanger san, you betrayed me

>>11605317
>For a few of us he was our first Transformer
Youngin’s dont fully understand the appeal of the minibots. The appeal is we ALL had at least one of them

>>11605308
>magnet powers are about the only thing anyone cares about for Windcharger you fucking retard.
Personally, I just like his alt mode because I like Trans Ams, and I think his dumb boxy head is cool. Couldn't care less about his magnet powers because he's a toy. I can imagine him with any power I want, lol.

actually you know what keep shit talking windcharger so 86 windcharger goes on clearance sooner

Amazon is putting wind charger preorders up for 30 bucks fuck that

>>11605314
Turns out, you can teach an old dog new tricks.

>>11605314
did you put some tack on the ground or something? how are they upright

>>11605317
>I like John Stephenson's windcharger voice. RIP

"A wooden gun... a wooden gun..."

>>11605320

>Youngin’s dont fully understand the appeal of the minibots. The appeal is we ALL had at least one of them

Yup. It was also frustrating as a kid that the adults couldn't tell the difference between a Transformer and a Gobot.

>>11605326

>Amazon is putting wind charger preorders up for 30 bucks fuck that

They're getting ready for the Holiday season so they can "go on sale" which will bring them down to what they originally but call it a sale.

>>11605331
It's all about good balance and a bit of perspective. Though G2 Seaspray needed a dab of silly putty here >>11605327

>>11605336
whoa, actual silly putty? not like blue tack or gorilla putty? i haven't seen that since I were a lad.

For there is a bot inside me, and only when he is finally out, can I walk free of pain.

>>11605333
Wait, it really was the same voice actor for Magneto and Windcharger?

>>11605343

>Wait, it really was the same voice actor for Magneto and Windcharger?

Yup, that's why the TFWiki also references the line on Windcharger's page.

John also voiced Huffer, Thundercracker and Season 3 Kup. He was also Bionic 1 from the Bionic Six. He really had a good long career.

>>11605341
Im getting really tired of these matrixs

>>11605209
>He buys poor man's 3P

>>11605352
At some point they are going to make a transforming Matrix.

>>11605355

It's the best Seeker MP out there.

Surprisingly possible little guy

>>11605366
Wrong

>>11605367
what the ass are those proportions

>>11605352
I was a bit bummed to find that 86 Prime is still using the same Matrix

>>11605373
To be fair DS seekers are no longer available

>>11605352
Anon
It's worse

>ER Optimus
>Dead Prime
>Netflix Optimus
>SG Optimus
>Kingdom Rodimus
>SS Rodimus
>SG Rodimus
>Kingdom Galvatron
>Generations Selections Galvatron
>Behold Galvatron
>Legacy Galvatron
>SS86 Galvatron
>Legacy Laser Prime
>Velocitron Scourge
>G2 Toxitron
>Godzilla X Kiryu/Mecha Godzilla
>Holiday Optimus
>VNR Optimus
>SS Ultra Magnus
>SG Ultra Magnus
>Reactivate Optimus Prime
>Legacy G1 Optimus
>Age of the Primes Prima Prime
>SS86 Optimus
>AotP Ultra Magnus

25 releases with the same Matrix or GIVE OR TAKE basically the same matrix maybe SLIGHTLY retooled/molded but it's literally the same base
I may even be forgetting one or two

>>11605367
>>11605392
Still aiming for him from BBTS but I gotta cover this Omega Supreme first

>>11605414
i'm still very confused..
in that picture i see like spindly gray arms cradling the big folded up mass of green

>>11605415
I too would be confused if I were schizophrenic

>>11605415
Anon are you having a stroke?

>>11605427
no the PREVIOUS one
okay hang on,
this. this is what's confusing the shit out of me. none of these parts seem to go together.

>>11605429
Pretty funny interpretation, anon

>>11605160 (OP)
>we gonna have fucking BRUTICUS
based former coming through!

FUCKING BRUTICUS
LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>11605175
Legacy just feels right

>>11605175
>L and R are reversed in alt mode
Lmao

That’s not how an F-15’s wings should look.
I’m now convinced the Takara designers are getting senile. Between Soundwave’s gun tip being the wrong way and now the Seekers wings, they’re introducing problems that haven’t existed in 40 years of making these characters. And these are supposed to be the most accurate ones.

>>11605522
>>11605521
holy shit anons i'm so hyped for Bruticus
i literally didn't get bruticus ever in my life but always wanted it because it's "just a bunch of tanks put together" (yeah it just 1 tank but overall it's like war machines former and not futuristic but realistic ones)

FUCKING HYPE (imagine bruticus toy instead of cat)

Anyone at tf con

smells bad here

>>11605367
>those man tits

>>11605523
hogatron is okay but its not beautifully done as ox prime
also I guess bumblebee is a kamaitachi ninja thing?

>>11605175
Soundwave looks fine in this photo. The bright blue seems to have just been shitty over-exposed studio lighting.

>>11605523
>>11605567
Oh, Bumblebee is a flying squirrel

>>11605567
i hate these 2 packs
they always rare cost a lot aftermarket and you hate "the other one"
That bee is kind of lame... it doesnt look like a squirrel.
it looks like a block from the new combiners - some leftover wall/base part...

>>11605308
I barely remember Windcharger from the cartoon, really just him wearing a lab coat one time and being dead, but he was my first toy, so I have a soft spot for him. Also, I read the Deadly Paradise book a lot as a kid.
Windcharger enjoyers do exist.

>>11605539
They've always had those pointed wing tips, dummy.

>>11605611
thats not what hes talking about retard

>>11605521
>>11605522
Damnit, I like it.
>>11605523
FFFFFuuuuuuuuck, that's actually cool. Hope it gets a good discount next year.

>>11605615
He's the retard, that's exactly what the jet's wings looks like. Once again just a shitposter making up things to get mad about.

>>11605621
I was going to argue that you’ve just happened to find the one off-model screenshot that matches the SS86 wings but actually looking at the cartoon it turns out they fucked up the Seeker character model every single time.
He was clearly intended to have F-15 accurate wings, going by the model sheet, but the animators just drew them straight, I suppose for simplicities sake.

>>11605634
I wasn't super impressed with this guy but he's looking to be a really neat generic autobot goon

hope I can find him at Ross or Ollies

>>11605640
Nah, the character designer, Shohei Kohara, just thought pointed wings looked cooler. And they do.

>>11605650
Those are the same wings as >>11605640 though.

>>11605655
Yeah, I don't get where that guy is saying since that model sheet is identical to the early design and the screenshot.

lol 9 years on and Hasbro still doesn't know how to transform the knees of the Hot Spot/Onslaught mold.

>>11605660
that's toys are russ' personal onslaught, he showed it off in his windcharger/thundercracker/sound wave reviews

not Hasbro error for once, seems to be user error

>>11605660
You mock the mighty Longslaught?

>>11605567
>hogatron
Snarler retool when?

>>11605521
>>11605522
>that giant gap on the side of the truck
man these designers just literally do not care about making good looking alt modes anymore huh

>>11605671
that giant gap is actually a rotation point for the trailer.

What chances will Hasbro / Takara Tomy release Pre-Transformers repaints?

>>11605675
I’m referring to this.

>>11605679
The diaclone insecticons are a matter of time. They were teased as far back as Legacy evo.
Not sure about the others, I think there's some rights issues there.

>>11605681
I bet it'll be less egregious with the final paint apps

>>11605217
>That's Hasbro's plan. Make you buy the same G1 tooner shit perpetually by arbitrarily changing things.

Yes. The way they handled bumblebee was proof of that

Walmart Netflix release - slightly off mustard yellow
Goldbug in 4 pack - ok, but not the og
Ss86 - weird combination of when his car form looks weird in the old cartoon.
Retro card - finally a normal Volkswagen and the right yellow.

So it took them 4 or 5 years to put out the one people really wanted.

Hasbro is the king of remolds, recolors, etc and milking fans. They've given up all hope of just nailing something the first time. They do planned obsolescence in toy form

>>11605718
SS86 was already perfect, that's the one people really wanted. Stop trying to meme the shit Netflix mold.

>>11605718
Except even the retro card one isn't really what people wanted. Wrong face. Also, it's made entirely redundant by the existence of Missing Link.

>>11605718
>Retro card - finally a normal Volkswagen and the right yellow.
That was a toy deco though, with the black arms, not a toon one. But with the wrong head so it satifies nobody.

>>11605734
>SS86 was already perfect

That square car top says otherwise. Should have been more curved. And it throws the whole line off to release just one guy with that chrono q look

>>11605740
That's what he looks like, so it doesn't throw anything off.

>>11605175
Looks fine to me.

>>11605175
If he had some shoulder detailing and they used a slightly darker metalic flake plastic instead of the very oddly bright glossy blue.

And the knees are hideous and cheap looking.

>>11605660
>iT hAs WEek KnEES
>BECASUE THEY AREN'T TABBED IN

>>11605750
The ss86 toy doesnt even look like that. Bumblebee's car top isnt square like the toy

>>11605759
Looks more like that than the Netflix's stretch limo alt mode.

>>11605650
Early Megatron head #49

>>11605473
>>11605474
Vortex has been out for months and Blastoff amd Brawl preorders should be up soon enough

>>11605760
That's what a VW Beetle is supposed to look like, genius.

>>11605679
>Diaclone/SG
Easy filler for a 4-pack
>Beetras
0% chance for Takara because of IP issues, 10% chance for Hasbro

Got my Venom in this morning. The gang's all here!
Really fun toy, the wings get in the way a bit in robot mode, maybe? Otherwise fantastic.

>>11605812
But not what Bumblee is supposed to look like.

Is Vortex the only bot out so far for Bruticus? It's the only one I have.

>>11605867
yes

It is unfortunate that there is not going to be a Generation remake for the Superlink/Energon toys. Would love to have Superlink/Powerlinx gimmick be back.

Overgear reimagine is cool though nonetheless.

>>11605411
>He cant pay aftermarket prices
Just further proving MP is for the poor

>>11605686
>>11605814
I assume no one owns the rights for Beetras anymore.
Also the mould it uses are retool from a new take of Diaclone Insecter Robo.

Onslaught comes with high chair for Brawl the Big Baby

>>11605905
The base mode is a little rough, but looks like fun to mess around with.

>>11605521
>>11605522
>still just a colorless prototype
>but it's suppose to release next summer

I'm concerned how this is going to turn out...

>>11605175
>>11605569
Does it even matter? It's very hard for Soundwave to -not- sell. They have made some god awful toys that still sell out.

>>11605903
>Beetras
After Takatoku’s bankruptcy in 1984 the assets (including molds/designs) were acquired by Bandai. Bandai licensed the molds to Hasbro for use in Western markets. Bandai owns it.

>>11605917
Remember when Soundwave fans were so desperate for a toy of the character they'd actually pay money for the Cybertron and Titanium figures? Dark times.

>>11605912
They have half a year to figure out how to paint it...oh no...its so over transformers bros

>>11605933
Cybertron Soundwave is cool.

The new one looks bad

>>11605940
Yeah.

>>11605940
Lets be honest, they both look bad.

>>11605523
Okay, these are kinda cool

>>11605523
Who is the boar guy supposed to be, Megatron? They couldn't think up any artillery related thing?

>>11605964
The original was made when Takara gave a shit about Beast Wars toys.

>>11605964
The OG Big Convoy is one of the coolest looking design in TF.

>>11605976
The most noteworthy Japanese artillery is when Nobunaga outfitted his troops with guns, so...

>>11605976
In ancient Japan?

>>11605940
He looks ok but my main gripe with the new one is the proportions
like the torso just looks stocky and the waist is too wide. He even lost a set of abs and just has a 4-pack now
Would have been nice to get the translucent chest too, but I'm just gonna wait for the Takara repaint/ remold thing they did like with Lio Convoy.

>>11605993
A demon with guns sounds really good. Should have gone with that.

>>11605567

Gotta say, tempted to get Mega just to repurpose him as Snarler.

>>11605994
They did use siege and incendiary stuff pre gunpowder even.

>>11605992
You don't have to try so hard to hate new thing and glaze old thing bro. We all realize how shit Big Convoy is as a toy and a design.

>>11606007
Neo as a whole shits on the last decade of Hasbro

>>11606016
>endless shellformers
No

>>11606007
being a contrarian is nor a personality

>>11606027
Fortunately I am the one on the right side of history, not a contrarian at all. I am stating facts that Big Convoy is a terrible design from a meh show and never had a good toy.

>>11605964
The original Big Convoy is a fantastic figure, every version of it.

>>11605996
I don't like the tusks placement on the new one, it doesn't look great.

>>11606038
The tusks sit at a weird angle, it look weird. It should be acting as the shoulder armor but it doesn't.

>>11606025
>Modern Hasbro
Not that high of a bar there.

>>11606025
Shellformer is not a big deal. If the shell looks good as armor pieces and doesn't obstruct the articulations.

>>11605521
>>11605522
>Split Onslaught's long-ass alt mode for the frame shit.
Not the biggest fan of the frames, but damn if that ain't good integration compared to the other combiners.

>>11605964
>>11605940
the fuck are you talking about?
the new has a clear shape and silhouette and doesn't look like a shitty pile of skin

the old one just has stuff all over him
the new one looks cool and with two symmetrical tusks on his shoulders

I would say nostalgia is a hell of a drug but i doubt you ever owned the old toy

>>11606060
This confirm that when they get to do Protectobots, Hot Spot will split the fire truck like Fire Convoy does.

>>11606060

I really like how he can carry the others.

>>11606060
yeah this is actually a smart way to do it, unlike that dogshit superion frame

>>11605539
Yeah and ER had completely bullshit square thrusters for genuinely no fucking reason. That wasn't a classics holdover, they just did that

I wonder if they'll do the frame thing for the beast combiners.

>>11606071
Frames exist purely for toonslop accuracy. There is no need to do that for Tripredacus and Magnaboss.

>>11606076
Well, you need a frame for Magnaboss. Its name is Ironhide.

>>11605917
>>implying Earthspark Soundwave is a bad toy

>>11606076

Not them, I mean Abominus and Monstructor and Predaking.

>>11606082
For Monstructor, it most likely be a Dinoking retool.

It will be absolutely certain for Abominus to be a frame combiner if they get to do it, because Abominus is the scramble city style combiner like Menasor, Superion and Bruticus.

>>11606085
pretty much
they did a regular combiner retool last time too for Abominus

>>11605826
Bumblebee is supposed to turn into a VW Beetle. The cartoon having him be a literal human-scaled version of his toy's Choro-Q Beetle mode was a mistake.
>>11605933
Cybertron Soundwave is honestly a really neat toy. A bit fiddly but he looks awesome and I love the take on Laserbeak. He certainly deserves better than to be mentioned in the same sentence as the Titanium.

Okay but what if I just had BOTH Soundwaves instead of picking one over the other.

>>11605734
>>11605750
>>11605760
>Defending THIS turd Bee
You gotta be trolling
SS86 Bee is almost entirely NOT what Bumblebee should be at all. He's hideous, trouble being flush and clean alt mode, giant backpack, chunky ass box chest
The Netflix mold does indeed body him in the department even if you cope and shit yourself claiming it's bad cause "something something partsforming is inexcusable"

>>11606096
>SS86 Bee is almost entirely NOT what Bumblebee should be at all. He's hideous,
you are such an autistic retard
this is literally the only bumblebee i own because it's the best. i never liked the character but SS86 made me buy it

>>11606093
I thought you hated it when the cartoon didn't make the designs match the toys.

>>11606100
>Anonymous is one person

>>11606085
4 small voyagers and a pair of small voyagers with combiner pants as a commander.

>>11605740
>That square car top says otherwise
have you seen a cartoon?
why the fuck would you show me a google image?
sorry zoomie it's called SS86

1986. when cartoon was on air and we watched Bumblebee on TV and it looked like that

Going to walmart and seeing the new prices on the shelf caused me physical pain.

>>11606103
Anon...

>>11606099
Not him, but my major gripe with 86 Bee is not using more beetle parts for the car mode, the shape of the chest being wrong despite having enough space to make it work, and the leg transformation having steps that could easily be reshuffle to add more mass to the legs.

>>11606071
Predaking is going to be interesting.

>>11605437
there's actual-ass sculpted hands
>>11605539
would there be licensing issues?
>>11605567
i want to be happy for more cool robo beastformers but they are just unimpressively designed.

>>11606096
My gripe with it is that weird ankle bend

Will Scattershot be the same as Silverbolt for the frame system?

>>11605815
boogs
>>11605884
those are good shins.
>>11605940
the old one wasn't perfect, but yeahhhhh. I'll be waiting for a repaint on this one. No idea why they made the choices they made.

>>11605996
i appreciate that they are making legs longer these days, but you can't make torsos shorter! and they are! ALL THE TIME!
they also need to stop shrinking beast mode heads. at least this time they didn't do that.

>>11606038
>>11606044
i assume that part rotates
>>11606063
the tusks are symmetrical on the original, sweetie. The angle is throwing you off.
>>11606071
Can't imagine how that would work, an animal doesn't tow a trailer.
>>11606076
Ehhh they were profoundly, PROFOUNDLY flawed designs and need redesigning. Ironhide basically was the frame.

>>11606106
it'll all be over very very soon.
>>11606117
kek, that is pretty fucked up

>>11606071
Ironhide was basically already a frame

>>11606118
If so I kinda hope he approximates an autobot shuttle

>>11606123
>it'll all be over very very soon.
w-what do you mean by that, anon?

>>11606085
>It will be absolutely certain for Abominus to be a frame combiner if they get to do it
>Hun-Grrr gets a drag-along cooler to store snacks in that becomes his frame
Honestly, though, they'd better not fuck it up - the Terrorcons are my favorite Combiner team, and I'd hate to see my hungry boy end up like Silverbolt.

>>11605523
Snarler retool from Megatron
NAW that would make too much sense.

>>11605634
what the?

>>11605718
except they never do the repaints anyone wants.
where fuck is Sunstorm

>>11605751
Megatron toy never gets his Particle Beam Cannon accessory

>>11606103
Anon, do you know how perspective works?

>>11606134
>he doesn't know

>>11605905
>>11605908
be nice if it had a ramp instead of Brawl just falling off the thing.

>>11606099
Missing Link is better in every way
I only own the SS86 cause a friend got it on SUB $8 CLEARANCE cause fucking nobody wants this shit and he was still so disappointed he just tossed it my way

>>11606117
The feet being giant cinderblocks is so ass
The ankle tilt is more in the shin really
But my issues
>Ugly Head
>Huge Xbox ass chest
>The weird cut in the arms
>Giant ass backpack
>The Moon Shoes
The Alt form is mad ugly and yet I think retooling it into the Inspector Gadget Cartoon Car would be cool tho now I look as SS86 Windcharger and think that

>>11606134
if you're blissfully unaware, just stay that way.
but you wouldn't complain about having no chocolate in the house if the cacao plant had become near-extinct, right?
All of your problems are like that now. None of them are just your bad luck. it's everyone, collectively working together to tear down what we built in the 20th century.

>>11606103
Anon is still right cause >>11606107
>>11606145 retards don't see that the G1 Frame he posted still shows the Roof curves in the back
The SS86 does not and it's hideous dogshit
We get that sometimes you guys LOVE slurping the turd soup but come on man

>>11606145
Anon if you're denying the flatness of that car, as an artsman, I can tell you, perspective says that car's top is flat.

>>11606144
This.
Even if he no longer turns into a gun, this should be essential to him just as Prime’s trailer is to Optimus.

>>11606159
Oh, no, I'm team flat. Sorry, NTA.

Don't even bother engaging with this shitposter. He's just reheating old
>YOUR accuracy BAD, ME accuracy GOOD
He always shits himself when people like G1.

>>11605996
>He even lost a set of abs and just has a 4-pack now
It's how it looked in the anime.

>>11606168
but I think the anon arguing you is saying the top is round in different art, which he posted

Most of the issue with all of this G1-accuracy argument is that even G1 wasn't G1-accurate.

boy I sure am loving how it takes like 3 minutes to load a captcha now and then another minute to post.

>>11606182
I think I jumped in the argument without fully reading the chain. My bad, I apologize.

Yeh, I don't understand how someone can argue accuracy based on an 80s cartoon at all. Those things were always off model with a bunch of errors. I still don't know how big the Pizza Monsters from TMNT are supposed to be.

>>11606082
IIRC someone asked Evan about a new Predaking and he said they'd probably just have the extra combiner junk turn into a new beast.

>>11605940
bot mod is okay, hopefully you can tweak the position of the tusk bits, but that mammoth looks like a literal pile of shit. hopefully we get a blue or black repaint

>>11606181
ah, fair.
but he looks so much cooler in the anime!
>>11606185
in fairness I think the pizza monsters size-changed a lot, even right in front of us. they ARE mutated cheese somehow, after all.

>>11606186
how though
I mean I'm super okay with that, but I don't get how.
>>11606190
i hope the black repaint doesn't have red-tipped tusks. and if the blue one happens, they make the FUR the darker blue and the TUSKS the lighter blue, instead of t'other way 'round.
>but anon that's how it was befo-
Black Lio Convoy.

When comparing with the original Choro-Q design, it definitely looks weird.

I think the tires sits too low to the ground.

>>11606186

Hm, that'd probably work for all the G1 beast teams.

>>11606196
the tires are too low but the rest of the car is even too lower. look at the ground clearance, or lack thereof.
also i guess there were rounded AND flat ones, huh.

>>11606195
>Black Big Convoy
>Blue Big Convoy
Funny names if you can see it

>>11606208
BIG
BADASSATRON
COG

>muh accuracy
I don't care, I want good toys
Just buy bootlegs if you want premium accuracy

>>11606208
also because it violates the adjective order rule

Would like to see the 40th selection Lio Convoy repainted in Flash Lio Convoy and Green Angolmois Energy version

>>11606233
i'd have trouble not buying those

>>11606233
>Normal lion colors version

>>11606235
a little fruitsnackier, but yeah
i did one of those

>>11606233
>Flash Lio Convoy
This we definitely need, considering we already got Burning Convoy a while back.

>>11606240
oh yeahhh. wasn't that like ultra limited though

>>11606233
I would like to see my preorder fulfilled for the regular release, already...

>>11606239
Great to see Magna Convoy getting recognition.

I'm curious why this combination, Simba and Magna?

>>11606244
I'm a simple man
I like lions (regular color with choco mane, please), and I like dark blue
so I'm like, is there a dark blue Convoy who needs representation? and it turns out there is.
and I realized Black Lio is gonna be really easy to paint, because any unpainted bits will be black or dark gray so you don't see 'em. that kinda thing is really important for figures since it's never gonna be perfect. also Black Lio was suuuper discounted.

>>11606240
I hope they do a non-clear release with Flash Lio. Also patiently waiting for green Luo Convoy, I'm shocked they skipped it for both Legacy and MP.

>>11606248
This is really cool, you are very talented.

I wonder why you don't go with Missing Link Sentinel Prime color for the robot mode, the color probably matches the color of the lion mode better.
In your picture, the lion mode have noticeable blue bits.

>>11606253
>I hope they do a non-clear release with Flash Lio
I'd be fine with a pearl-colored body on him, but I refuse to accept anything less than a clear mane with glitter in it like the original.

>>11606253
MP Lio Convoy wasn't doing well. They probably will never re-release that mould again

>>11606240
Is this red monke entirely transparent plastic?

>>11606260
>clear mane with glitter
Clear plastic on hinges seem dangerous

>>11606270
Mostly. his joints and shoulder assembly are red plastic, his back cannons, fingers and (beast) toes are gold plastic, and his head is normal blue plastic but with new paint.

>>11606256
Yeah the forearms poke out of the mane, there's not much you can do about that. Black Lio is the only one where it's not very noticeable, but there's definitely red visible on the regular Lio.
hmm lemme see
>Missing Link Sentinel Prime
ohhh I like that. yellow over dark blue. yeah but, see, since the legs were gonna be lion legs anyway, i wouldn't be able to use the blue there to that effect. Would've just been all yellow. plus I have an Inferno custom that's mostly yellow anyway (though that was later). I guess I.. didn't take pictures of that.

>>11606283
gold and glitter already both shatter easily over time, this seems like a nightmare. how are the originals holding up?

>>11605521
>>11605522
>first commander with clip-on wheels
so it begins

>>11606262
People would've liked that mold if it came with artemis as promised

>>11605367
Did yours come actually fully painted

>>11606316
OHHHHhhhhh
those arms are the opened-up chest.. Okay. I get it now. so the little guy was being posed inside this guy's opened up chest cavity.

Some hearsay from Aaron Archer's panel
Energon Optimus' Trailer was apparently heavily cost reduced and used to have a feature where you would have a circular hinge/handle in the middle, twist it - which would make a "cross" shape out of the trailer and contents. Each further "twist" would then proceed to launch each component individually out of each tube made from the cross

The way they spoke about it, it sounded like it was pretty grandiose, but due to some oil stuff they had to super scale it back

>>11606328
That sounds on-theme for launching the units.

>>11606027
I don't think that's a contrarian opinion, though. It's a clunky as fuck shellformer and always was, and short of starting from scratch there's no other way to approach the design. It's Beast Wars at its worst.

>>11606151
ML Bumblebee is acceptable at best, especially for the absurd cost.

>>11606347
>at its worst
sadly, this is among the best of the japanese-original designs. they somehow really lost their minds. did anyone really want a dinosaur to turn into a flower? or a horse to have rooted hair?

>>11606363
>Despite the Japanese Beast Wars media being aimed at the lower single-digits ages, these toys were notoriously complicated for that age group, with even grown adults finding the transformations utterly frustrating, as they require multiple panels on ball-jointed struts to be positioned precisely right for the beast mode to lock into place. On top of that, several of the toys are infamous for being "shellformers"—Break, in particular, could have all of his beast-mode panels/parts removed and still leave a fully functional robot mode behind! Hisashi Yuki cites the fact that no one red-flagged the complexity of Tripredacus and Magnaboss as giving the design team the (unfortunately false) impression that kids were ready for that level of difficulty, and the reliance on beast mode "shells" was an effort to completely conceal the robotic nature of the figures with an animal mode that could be convincing from any angle.

>>11606347
It's just most of the people saying the old one is better are basing it on looks alone and not actually having handled the thing, so they don't know it's a piece of shit that just looks cool

>>11606368
yeah that's the thing
they went way sillier, and yet, way more complicated? granted, japanese kids have way more manual dexterity I assume, but
now that you point it out, the shells probably were overcorrection for perceived flaws in the standard beast modes up to this point, usually exposing too much robot.

>>11606117
forcing ankle tilts into every toy has been a thing since siege. While I don't disagree with it in theory, the results are often ankles that are oddly-placed or oddly-limited. A weird ankle is better than no ankle, I guess?

>>11606368
Dead End looks cool, but I never had him. The one time I tried buying him online, I got outbid.

>>11606368
>quoting notoriously Takaraphobic TFwiki

>>11606395
plus so many guys can't stand up anyway due to being too top-heavy
put WEIGHTS in the feet if you really want stability

>>11606397
look, the entire premise of this line of discussion is that we're all surprised at how much japanese beast wars sucked, given that you would expect japan to be totally superior. That superiority is unquestioned, and should not feel threatened in any way

>>11606063
I like that the kibble compacts better, but almost everything else is terrible. The shoulder is completely wrong, the tusks point backwards and curve towards his center rather than pointing outwar and curving forward. Plus the missile pods and all shaped wrong. Tiny tonfas and anchor weapons. Wide butt flap which messes up the Big Cannon's look since it hands off the front. And he's missing a bunch of paint, but that's typical of Hasbro. But even adding in the missing paint, his tusks being completely fucked up kills any benefit this figure has.

>>11606412
once again
the tusks swivel
they are pointed exactly the same on the old and new one

>>11606412
desu the tonfas were always stupidly tiny, but yeah these are a joke.
have we even SEEN the anchor weapons on the new one?

>>11606063
I like that the kibble compacts better, but almost everything else is terrible. The shoulders are completely wrong, the tusks point backwards and curve towards his center rather than pointing outward and curving forward. Plus the missile pods are all shaped wrong. Tiny tonfas and anchor weapons. A wide butt flap which messes up the Big Cannon's look since it hangs off the front. And he's missing a bunch of paint, but that's typical of Hasbro. Even adding in the missing paint, his tusks being completely fucked up kills any benefit this figure has.

>>11606419
Yes. And the tonfas were about twice as long on the old figure.

>>11606422
wow... okay I thought you were just being a cunt, but those are TINY anchors. like... insane. like the person that decided this should be committed. though whoever approved that trunk in the first place could not have been able to tie his own shoes.
>tonfas used to be twice as long
twice nothin is still nothin. they're ridicks. A tonfa needs to stick out about the length of your forearm to read as a tonfa.

>>11605940
I feel like it's going to stay looking bad until someone who knows how to play with toys gets a hold of one and poses the shell bits more flatteringly

>>11606418
The tusks rotate on a 5mm post. That doesn't change the angle of the tusks when the mammoth head halves that the tusks connect to are facing the wrong direction, which minimizes the profile he should have. Less wide, badass mammoth warrior, more dinky kibble like so many other things the shrank on this figure.

>>11606409
Beast Wars sucked in general.

>>11606434
The head halves shown here>>11606420 flip up, they still have the missile pods sculpted on

>>11606396
>had him as a kid
>disliked him because everything needed to be just at the right angle
>warm up to him and Break that he came with
>absolutely no fucking idea where Dead End could even possibly be
>I presumably hid him somewhere one time as a fossil for my other toys to find
>it's probably been at least a decade
What the fucking fuck man.

>>11606432
iunno man, the trunk.. good lord. This was done by the Scorponok designer for sure
>>11606434
on the original, the mammoth head halves are on ball joints. is that not the case here? you can position them any ol way
>>11606437
i'm sorry, it was the best transformers has ever been, or will ever be.

>>11606439
I didn't say it didn't have the missile pods, I said that they're shaped wrong. If they mammoth head halves were oriented the right way, maybe they could have sculpted them correctly but what they gave us looks really off. The pods flow downwards instead of left to right like any robot missile pods should. Very limp dicked.

>>11606441
still living in your childhood home?
also: he never released in america, did he?

>>11606426
Looking at them, they're not as long as I remember but they're definitely not disappointing.

>>11606444
Huh, you're right. and that is NOT a ball joint, so.. I guess that isn't adjustable.
on the plus side, you do get six missiles per pod instead of five, and the space around the missiles was painted for once.

>>11606437

No.

>>11606448
It... it's cold in the arctic.

>>11606446
>still living in your childhood home?
Sort of
>also: he never released in america, did he?
I don't know, I don't work there

>>11606453
okay but
do you live in japan? because that's the only place I'm aware of that he was released.

>>11606457
He was released in Korea. And really anywhere else could have imported him into a comic book shop or something similar.

>>11606450
>ignore accuracy
>make every weapon extremely tiny
>give extra missile
Thank you so so very much corpo jesus!

>>11606457
No
Do you?
>>11606462
Yeah

>>11606466
Don't forget the...

*checks notes*

5mm tusks!

>>11606457
The bw II and Neo figures used to be super cheap on ebay 15 is years ago, and the korean versions were easily obtained. My magmatron was $45 in 2010.

I will buy Big Convoy because he will be probably heavily discounted and he is a beastformer and I like beastformers because they got pleasing texture and thats my one autistic thing as a TF collector.

What do you all do when you run out of space for new toys?

>>11606462
not back then, and not as a kid.
>>11606466
anon, who do you think gave you the GOOD toys we had previously?

>>11606475
yeah but he said in his childhood, and even implied it was back in his very young and imaginative years.
also, shit. nobody told me! I didn't have a ton of money back then but I had some.

>>11606493
I purge the collection.

>>11606475
Prices went up a bit lately, I bought all the Neo Predacons beside Magmatron and I probably spent around $500+ although two of those Predacons were two packs so the purchases were a bit higher. Ah well, I got them all after 20 years of coveting them.

>>11606493
>What do you all do when you run out of space for new toys?
Add more.

>>11606493
like the anon said, you start going over the collection and sell off the ones you don't want anymore, and no pussy footing around it, if you don't feel strongly about having it sell it.
Or you just stop collecting, I've done the former and is doing the latter outside of certain special figures like the Combaticons, mainly because of the increase in price and many figures no interesting me at all.

>>11606493

Get another shelf.

>>11606432
Not that the kibble is arranged any better but this pic has done a lot to sell me on Big Convoy. It looks like he poses pretty well.

>>11606493
cram them in harder

>>11606500
Please anon, I'm already getting the new Brawl you don't have to try and convince me by putting him next to that Combiner Wars pile of shit.

>>11606506
wait do the mammoth head halves flip up? I didn't see a hinge there previously

>>11606509
>>11606444

>>11606500
I'll pay the 45. CW Brawl was fucking awful. The absolute worst figure that year.

>>11606510
right, okay, I see why i was confused
so the red hinged arm flips up. That's... a weird way to do that.

>>11606500
>trying to pull a NEW BAD OLD GOOD with CW Brawl

>>11606508
>>11606514
>>11606517
way to miss the point

>>11606520
in fairness, money's not worth nearly as much as it was back then, so it's more like 15 vs 28
still almost doubling the adjusted price, so yeah, but it's not quite as insane.

god these slow captchas suck my nuts.

>>11606493
Kick out another one of my kids and commandeer their bedroom as storage space.
Two down, one to go so far. Then it's the wifey's turn.

He just looks worse in almost every single way. This guy can't pose for shit but it perfectly illustrates how bad the shoulder kibble was done.

>>11606531
why the fuck is his pelvis piece so big? it looks like they wanted to make him look stocky, but his arms are still spindly so that doesn't work.

hasbrony. start over. from scratch.

>>11606531
Then go buy the original?

Tell me, am I going to look at this toy, then look at design it had in a TV show, see there's nothing wrong, and it turns out this guy is bitching over the designers making a toy look like that instead

>>11606542
I have the Encore. I wanted the new version because I wanted it to deal with the kibble in a better way and it does, but everything else suffers. Big Convoy needed a Commander budget but he was never going to get it unfortunately because they don't make toys with the kind of gimmicks that Big Convoy would benefit from, so all his accessories shrank and his silhouette suffered.

How does telling someone to buy the original fix the obvious flaws this new version has?

>>11606554
how much does the Encore go for these days? I have the original (well the Korean one) and I don't mind that it's not 100% show-accurate, but I am curious
>how does telling someone
Pretty sure Anon was just telling you to shut up and stop complaining. I don't think he understands where we are.

>>11605890
Hey man, I got all three for about 80 each

>>11606544
The missile pods won't match
The tonfas won't match
The gun won't match
So if they went out of the way to not match the toon design in all that, why try to match the rest instead of making an effort to actually improve the toy?

>>11605521
>>11605522
He's like the micromasters

>>11606508
>>11606514
>>11606517
>I-I'm CONSOOOOOMING UOHHHHHH

>>11606542
Are you stupid

>>11605175
It's the greys
Whatever Hasbro is doing with their grey plastics is making everything look really cheap

>>11606562

Looks like $100-$200. And I'm hoping Age of Primes Big Convoy convinces DNA to redeploy their Matrix Buster cannon because that thing is awesome and I'm not buying the reissue that's in toy colors.

>>11605826
The point remains that a VW Bug and a limo do not look the same you hyperbolic faggot.

>>11606598
Stretch limo, it's way too stretched out. Doesn't look anything like a real VW Beetle.

>>11606085
>For Monstructor, it most likely be a Dinoking retool.
This was confirmed a while ago.
>because Abominus is the scramble city style combiner like Menasor, Superion and Bruticus.
Agreed, and giving Hun-Grr a "trailer" that turns him into some multi-headed hydra would be sick as hell.

>>11605734
>>11605740

There's too much faggety back and forth to really respond to it all, but

Walmart Bumblebee is good for realismfags, SS86 is good for cartoon fags. They didn't do the details of the Penny Racer Beetle alt mode right on the SS86 but it's still better if you want a cartoon Bumblebee. If you want a real world accurate Bumblebee, the Walmart Retro hits that spot.

Personally, I have the SS86 for Bumblebee and the Retro one for the yellow Cliffjumper. Yeah, I know "yellow Cliffjumper" is a porsche and the swapped Bumblebee is a red beetle but I haven't decided on painting up the Beetle mold in red just yet. Maybe one day, then I'll get the Worlds Collide Bumblebee for the yellow Cliffjumper head.

>>11605734
>>11605740

There's too much faggety back and forth to really respond to it all, but

Walmart Bumblebee is good for realismfags, SS86 is good for cartoon fags. They didn't do the details of the Penny Racer Beetle alt mode right on the SS86 but it's still better if you want a cartoon Bumblebee. If you want a real world accurate Bumblebee, the Walmart Retro hits that spot.

Personally, I have the SS86 for Bumblebee and the Retro one for the yellow Cliffjumper. Yeah, I know "yellow Cliffjumper" is a porsche and the swapped Bumblebee is a red beetle but I haven't decided on painting up the Beetle mold in red just yet. Maybe one day, then I'll get the Worlds Collide Bumblebee for the yellow Cliffjumper head.

>>11606520
They get your point anon, they just don't want to play along with your premise.

>>11606592
they almost certainly will. man, doesn't he have enough guns?
For that matter, it might be possible for a DNA kit to make this guy look less shitty overall.
>>11606598
remind me which one looks like a limo

>>11606601
>Doesn't look anything like a real VW Beetle.
It looks a lot closer to one than the 86 Bee (or the G1 toy for that matter).
If you want the irl Bug look over the penny racer (and you will if you actually have taste) than the Netflix/Retro mold mogs hard and is the way to go. If you actually prefer the scrunched up look, I can't help you.

>>11606615
If DNA makes some mammoth head replacements with better posability, then that would definitely sway me even if he is shorter. He needs that ultra wide badass mammoth kibble silhouette.

>>11606616
The last time I saw a irl Bug it was completely covered in Rick and Morty decals so that pretty much killed me ever wanting a toy that looked like one of those.

>>11606621
it's funny, the skinny arms are accurate to the old toy, but they clearly wanted this guy to be bulkier and just forgot to bulk out his arms.
>>11606627
it was a good show. for 6 seasons.

ANIMATED CHADS...

>>11606653
imagine someone using this shot of you

>>11606653
So a bunch of Animated interpretations as Generations/G1.

Actually sounds good to me.

>>11606653
It's time.

>>11606653
RotF is a bigger deal imo. That's the best toy line to date engineering-to-cost-wise.

>>11605940
The mammoth looks bad because they still insist on making the animals look realistic. They did the same to quickstrike but he hides it better because of his coloring and he's a partial transmetal

>>11606653
Different non-G1 Constructicons?

>>11606663
anon I want to like you, because the partial-transmetal thing is something I've always believed about him, but
they didn't change quickstrike at all.
and this is not a more realistic mammoth than the old one. not by 900 yards.. it's masasssssively less realistic. So be happy, fool.

the only argument you could possibly make is that the ground clearance is better (his belly doesn't hang down to his feet anymore, because the anchor launchers were made smaller) but those things were oversized before. apparently the anchors are minuscule now, so I'm not sure what most of the size of the launchers is even for, but...

>>11605940
would it have kicked a puppy if they just gave the mammoth mode a furry chest cover, that, for transformation, splits and folds into the hollows of the visibly-hollow mammoth shoulders?

Pick two:

1: prices return to potp levels (post WFC engineering retained though)

2: transformers gets a pg-13 movie that's universally beloved and Oscar winning (for writing, not just vfx)

3: Transformers gets a Emmy award winning TV show with an ensemble cast, four seasons and a movie length special

4: Actual real life transforming alien robots come down from space and blow up Chicago

>>11606698
4 and 4, because this IP is factually dying with declining interest

>>11606698
why would anyone pick 2 over 3?
also chicago is destroyed already. That's a hat on a hat.

>>11606698
Transformers story are losing it's creativity.
It's all been same retelling story of robots on Earth with Bumblebee and Optimus as main lead robots. Or entirely takes place in Cybertron.

>>11606715
there's a lot of untapped potential in the franchise and love it or hate it the comics are making up for some of that

the 2025 Energon Universe special's Jazz story was amazing, and I'd love to see something like that adapted into movie form.

Or literally any other type of story moulded to fit transformers. A combaticon sitcom. A dinobot musical. Prowl/Bluestreak buddy cop movie.

Superman 2025 proved that audiences can like movies that throw them into the thick of a universe without spending a lot of time on the origin story.

>>11606715
we need another beast wars
a brand new idea that's never been done, things robots have never turned into, a legit reason for them to be, good writing, creativity, genuine plots, and toys that pick a style and run with it.

>>11606715
>>11606727
I've said it before
Hasbro needs to put it's whole ass into new toy line project
Merge Generations and Studio Series, they're most of the way there anyway
And the put out a fully featured line; deluxes, voyagers, leaders, and whatever else, of toys from a new cartoon
No more third string gimmick shit for the currently airing media

>>11606727
I don't even think we need to change up the alt modes from cars and jets and tanks. I think there just needs to be some actual unique idea for the story and that idea needs to be executed well. People are tired of the franchise because it's the same shit every time. Cybertron origin story. Earth based macguffin plot. Ensemble TV show. Bumblebee movie was good because it was a unique idea; a character spotlight movie that was good on it's own terms

>>11606732
Then again, it doesn't matter
they could pull a late 80s Nickelodeon and go "hey let's become a huge success by doing the opposite of what everybody is doing"
but they'd still eventually become a late 90s nickelodeon that is all about taking zero risks again. There's no hope. Nothing is gonna be good. It would be significantly less frustrating if none of it ever happened, and the frustration is rapidly destroying any lingering happiness from the good times.
>>11606733
there's only so many reasons you can have robots turning into cars and trucks. they have to be visitors on earth, in disguise. That basically hijacks the plot. That's why Beast Wars was better.

>>11606721
Would like to see a more drastic different take like Beast Wars did.
Masterforce is also very creative to have human that transform to robot like Power Rangers.

I have an idea that is inspired by Digimon anime. Main human casts gets trapped in Cybertron they form bond with the robots that can give them power-up forms.

>>11606736
I'm just saying
Look at cartoons like RiD2015 or Cyberverse, the storytelling is shaken up in both shows, but why are they so maligned here specifically?
Shit toys.

>>11606736
yes, they have to be visitors on earth, robots in disguise. But when's the last time 'robots in disguise' was taken seriously, though? A slow-burn drama thriller about, say, Prowl investigating potential decepticon activity only to unwittingly have to team up with an FBI agent investigating the same case would be an interesting take on robots in disguise.

>>11606741
rid2015's show sucks ass, balls, cock, and taint all at the same time


but cyberverse post season 1 was actually good (and for what it's worth a lot of the cyberverse non-gimmick toys were actually really good, a lot of the deluxes were comparable to the war for Cybertron trilogy stuff, prowl was essentially the same transformation for instance.)

>>11606741
rid2015 sucked so hard, it made everybody except bumblebee so pathetic

>>11606741
the storytelling is shaken up
in those two shows?
i find that hard to believe. they are the definition of zero-budget zero-care
>>11606744
Ohhhh. you're saying don't reinvent and don't raise it higher and higher, but go _lower?_ transformers who operate on a small scale? solve individual crimes? That's.... that has potential. My only real criticism is that it's a concept that would be served better with almost anything else other than transforming cars.

>>11606752
>My only real criticism is that it's a concept that would be served better with almost anything else other than transforming cars.
If the likes of superman can do grounded stuff every once in a while why not TFs? not every problem has to revolve around the decepticons or quintessons

>>11606746
>>11606749
You wouldn't have gone for a voyager Strongarm or Thunderhoof if it had existed?

>>11606752
>the storytelling is shaken up
The first season is about Bumblebee leading a group of essentially four new characters to track down a prison ship's worth of escaped convicts
Not red vs purple, not competing for resources, or racing for macguffins

>>11606737
I have another idea which it takes place in Medieval times.
All TFs have mythical beast alt mode like dragon, wyvern, phoenix, unicorn, griffin, ...etc.
Fortress Maximus transform into a Castle.

The plot goes something like this:
TFs awakened by a spell cast by some wizard organization (yes, magic is real in this world).
Each nations now gain ultimate weapon (TFs) as ally. It basically a medieval war story with TF involved.

>>11606752
1: cyberverse did have a good amount of love and care put into it, and it really shows in the third season. A really funny fact about cyberverse is I'm 99% sure it has the highest named character kill count in transformers show history, with so many characters just straight up dying on-screen.

2: The plots wouldn't be as awesome with any other things than transforming robots, though. But I mostly think that these 'smaller scale' plots could be used to flesh out the characters more. A tightly knit cast creates tightly knit dialogue and interactions, and it also means less budget needs to be dedicated to the transformer designs and animation, which means you can focus more on spending that cash on good writers.

>>11606753
this guy gets it

>>11606754
if it existed I would totally have gone for those, because while the plot was dog shit, the one thing I have to give to rid2015 is it has some amazing decepticon designs. Strongarm is also cool, a very rare bulky fembot body type.

>>11606754
>You wouldn't have gone for a voyager Strongarm or Thunderhoof if it had existed?
You just put out the redeeming qualities of rid2015

>>11606715
What you need to do is give Japan the reigns to a Transformers show again, be it Toei or Trigger or whoever the fuck Hasbro chooses. (If they do decide on a CG show at least give it to Studio Orange)
>Completely new setting
>Keep Optimus and Megatron around because they're Optimus and Megatron, the rest of the cast is reimagined old characters or completely new characters
>Set the show in Japan, but don't make things too japanesey
>Maybe make some sort of gimmick attached to the line, maybe something like Shinkalion's current gimmick of support vehicles that become weapons/armor for the mechs

Simple as.

>>11606761
That's what I'm saying, /toy/ hates it because it toys were bad
We could have lived in a world where deluxe RiD Windblade was the good Windblade toy instead the Titans Return one
And most people have to settle for T30 or Legacy
Maybe RiD couple have had good and cool combiner toys

A lot of Cyberverse characters didn't get anything in plastic either
Where's commander class Astrotrain or Titan... anyone of the however many titans that show threw in?

>>11606764
what I'm hearing is there would be a new mainline Raiden/sixliner/train combiner

so I'm on board

>>11606767
Anon its not just because of the bad toys, rid2015 sucked as a sequel series to prime and on its own merits

>>11606772
I thought train is not popular in America

>>11606774
You'll notice I'm not saying anything about the show
I'm lamenting that we don't live in a world where we can at least say
>the show sucked, but the toys were cool

>>11606753
yeah but superman is still a superhero. there's versatility in there. It's not the power dynamic I'm thinking of so much as the.. size? the inability to go inside any buildings... all of their adventures kinda need to be outdoors and, really, on roads.
>>11606754
the fuck? that can't be what that is.
>>11606757
But.. it's Cyberverse.

>>11606775
japanese trains are way cooler. they're sleek and streamlined

>>11606785
Oh.. you meant bullet trains (shinkansen).
Agreed, those are cool.

>>11606788
I'm not sure if that's what anon was talkinabrat but when I think about transformer trains, it's Rail Racer and those guys. Because bullet trains are cooool
thomas the tank engine trains are not cool. they are things adults always think kids like for some reason. they also always thought we wanted to be firemen or policemen.

>>11606541
Because they moved his mammoth legs to his hips... which is correct, but his short ass torso and lower legs throws his proportions off so bad it's insane.


This is honestly worse than the dogshit hasbro Leo convoy release, he just looks wrong.

>>11606592
>>11606804
He really should have been a commander.

>>11606804
oh yeah.. that's weird.

>>11606764
The only transformers you NEED are Optimus, Megatron, and Starscream. The unicron trilogy handled this very well. Megatron's personally and motivation can vary wildly, and Starscream should be a general voice of decent, traitorous or not.

Optimus needs power-ups and combinations galore. He preferably shouldn't be the only combiner, but his combinations should be a point of spectacle.

The one on the left is holding a crutch.
The one on the right is holding a menacing cannon.

>>11606819
Where's the fucking cannon part of that (left) cannon??
Holy shit this figure looks so disappointing

>>11606811
I guess this is the reason his hips are so wide.. they looked at this and.. well it's kinda cheaty.

>>11606819
of all the things that needed changing.. they left the ridiculous ass flap on the front of the cannon.. also I don't understand what part becomes the stand here, that isn't even on the original . ... wait, is it just ALWAYS there?

>>11606819
Is the butt flap on a hinge? Can it be removed manually?

>>11606420
The mammoth face should be place above the shoulders NOT behind the shoulders.

>>11606842
I'm gonna manually move the hinge on your butt flap, anon.

G2 Ramjet and his clones are now strapped up. The next Autobot that sticks a servo out of their hiding place is slag!

>>11606811

>He really should have been a commander.

He would have been a short one as they are sticking to the scale chart in that he's about the same height with Leo Convoy.

>>11606859
fun fact: mammoths actually do have a little furry skin flap that goes over the bunghole, to keep it from getting frostbite.
Seems like the lord could have accomplished that by just making the tail fluffier, but if he didn't occasionally take the silly option, we wouldn't have marsupials or Belgians.

AOTP Swindle when?!?

What fraction of an ass is Hasbro operating on now? This seems like way less than half assing it.

I'm not so familiar with how HasTak's announcement schedule goes, but the main things I'm hoping to see from next year are really just Armada Sideways, Armada Jetfire, and Liege Maximo. Any ideas on when we might be seeing them shown off?

>>11606500
and the 45 dollar one looks miles better and this coming from a fan of CW Brawl

>>11606420
He fat

>>11606831
The stand folds into that front kibble piece.

>>11606868
He's wave 3, so probably September.

>>11606964
>no new Grand Convoy
I suffer even more after missing complete original.

>a bigass trench in the middle of the jet
I honestly dont know if I prefer this or the ER mold

>>11606967
I pray it happens some day, Hasbro are almost rounding up most of the Optimus Primes out there. I just hope a new Generations Energon Optimus retains the same height as the original (which would make him as big as SS86 Ultra Magnus) or make him bigger since he's a limb type combiner even if it means making him a Titan for it to work.

>"Big" Convoy smaller than a Voyager
>that will be $60+ please
Lmao thank god Eric is coming back to tard wrangle Mark, he sucks

>>11606978
I'm hoping Aaron Archer comes back one day as well. Then we'd be back to the early 2000s, or at least have toys that almost matches the 2000s toys in quality with the budget they have now.

>>11606978
Blame scale retards, he was same size as Lio Convoy.

>>11606980
You're living in a fantasy. The budget is lower now than it was in the 2000's, there's nothing they can do.

>>11607018
Yes, blame the people shitposting online and not the people who sculpted this, the managers who signed off on this, and the corporation that manufactured this.

>>11606861
That would have been fine if he had gotten the extra mass and engineering that the class intails. As is he is an inferior product to a 25+ year old shellformer.

>>11607018
then he should have been a voyager

>>11607018
Big convoy is about 6 inches taller than Leo is in the show. Leo couldn't be done properly at the hasbro voyager price point and needed a heavy retool to not look like shit. Big convoy is bulk wise MUCH larger, and because of the amount of armaments built into his body alone a modern leader would not work. He should have been a commander with the matrix buster and Navi, or better yet a transforming Navi that turns into the matrix buster.

>>11607060
>smol convoy

>>11606978
People say this manage the kibble better but the lower legs look way more messier to me, and the only robot part now is a front panel, making them look worse.

Most of the BW remakes try to reinvent the wheel and mess up something because they just don't understand why things were made a certain way.

>>11605197
Now I'm not so bummed about skipping the last set of seekers.

>>11606978
LMAO, this franchise is dead

>>11606964
Even in the animated style, Fatimus Prime is still fat.

>>11606978
>Meanwhile in Korea
>Pic is considered Voyager class

>>11606958
>>11606964
Anon are these drawn by you? These looks amazing!

Hot take: I think toys past 1998 don't need a remake, instead those should get a missing link treatment.

>>11607139
wont do shit vs hasbro unless its show becomes a success

>>11607139
If Hasbro can't kill Transformers, what chance do Gookbots stand?

>>11607163
with the exception of some bricks from the Armada line, this is true.

Almost every toy they've remade from late BW/RID01/Cybertron/Animated is worse than the original and only really exist for poorfag retards who don't know how to use ebay.

>Deluxe vehicle mode is larger than Voyager vehicle mode
The fuck is going on with this toyline

>>11607175
LE scale

fun fact: animated lockdown is bigger than modern leaders and some commanders, and with more plastic

>>11607175
Prices are determined by character popularity now. There are more Brawl than Blastoff fans, so Hasbro knows they can charge more for him and people will buy.

fun fact: old transformers are indigestible if you swallow them.

>>11607183
brawl has fans?

>>11607191
Does that mean new ones can be digested?

>>11607175
One just compresses more.

>>11607192
Being in the very first Bay film means he's recognizable by normies.

>>11607216
I believe his name was Devastator, not to be confused with the other Devastator that came later.

>>11607191
That sounds like a challenge to me.

>>11607222
In the subtitles yes. But literally all merchandise and toys had him labeled as Brawl.

>>11607224
At that point, isn't just being a tank which is a well-known vehicle enough?

>>11607191
Wasn't there a guy that ate a plane? Plastic doesn't sound so tough.

>>11607232
He's the definitive tank transformer, Blastoff isn't the definitive shuttle transformer.

>>11606937
i'm having trouble picturing that.. meh.. maybe i won't get a recolor of this guy

>>11607238
Who else is? Cosmos is a UFO.

>>11607244
Even being a triple changer Astrotrain is far more popular.

>>11606970
No matter how hard you try ppl still want AOTP Brawl over CW, this seeker over ER, and new Sky Byte over T30. Sorry bout that.

>>11607248
>AOTP Brawl over CW
Understandable
>this seeker over ER
Retarded
>new Sky Byte over T30
Sidegrade (original is still better)

>>11607248
Its your day off, Mark. Go touch grass.

It's still weird to see Bandai release the mould of Dai Atlas and Sonic Bomber

>>11607248
>AOTP Brawl over CW
Brawl is understandable since CW Bruticus is mostly made from repurposed molds from other Combiners (Onslaught from Hotspot, Swindle from Hound, Blastoff from Slingshot, Vortex from Alpha Bravo).
>this seeker over ER
With these price increases I don't see people willingly going to replace their entire Seeker lineups at $42 a pop. Before them maybe, but I doubt people are going to drop over $250 on six dudes they already own, let alone the weird-ass repaints like G2 Ramjet or Sunstorm that you know they'll milk from the mold.

>>11607254
I'm no expert on either character, are these decos right? Are these out yet? How much?

>>11607272
To give you the quick version
>Both mechs are used by a rival villain (Upgrading from the top to the bottom halfway through the series)
>Their original toys are just repaints of the Zone toys (See pic)
>What anon posted are model kits based more closely on their animation depictions than the toys)
>You're looking ~$100 for each of them, being P-Bandai releases

>>11607277
poor lugnut, cursed with undersized figures since 2008.

>>11607285
How big is the rts toy?

>>11607264
In the case of Brawl, he's an original mold that Hasbro flubbed probably because of low budget. We know from Funpub and other sources that Brawl not Swindle (who was probably a Offroad/First Aid removle) was originally a Rook remold. They apparently even had a Brawl head for him that was going to be used for the technobots who were planned as part of the mainline and not a boxset. It probably would have been better if they stuck to the original plan, but your mileage may vary.

>>11607272
These are the SMP line, they are model kit focus on high on-screen accuracy, articulations and gimmicks.

Hiryu and Goryu are some of the robot model borrowed from Transformers to the Brave series. They are Dai Atlas and Sonic Bomber originated in TF Zone.

I believe both of these are somewhere around $100. These have been released quite a while, I think Goryu (Dai Atlas) are still on the market, but Hiryu (Sonic Bomber) you have to find it on aftermarket it has been some years.

>>11607287
About the same size as legacy bulkhead. Still too small.

Russ talking with Evan
https://youtu.be/zxjyBzx-J5M
Some tidbits
>throttlebots mentioned
>ruination maybe but they seemed to imply there's already a bruti retool in the pipeline and they want to give it time to breathe
>1 combiner a year
>timelines might shift to a fanvote thing if it does well, maybe other characters beyond the core 4 will show up as well
>Skybound characters are a possibility, Shreadhead mentioned specifically

>>11607277
Man it's a shame Lugnut is so short, he's actually a really good toy otherwise. I have the Atomic deco and he's just fun to handle. Bulky too.

It's cool to see these robots that would become the Transformers get a modern update under their original brand names

>>11607196

>One just compresses more.

Pretty much. It's like how Fans Toys Stunticon Breakdown's alt mode was the same size as Takara Sideswipe/Red Alert but the bot mode towered over them due to how they transformed differently.

>>11607369
right? So many great robots.

>>11607175
frankly, blast-off isn't large enough

>>11607175
I guess it will come with accessories to make up for the price point. Combiner parts perhaps.

Wouldnt be cool all the combiner jump for these """""""commander"""""""" class toys be alternate super mode for the pack in figures?

>>11607369
>I will never own a Battle Convoy V-Max

This set is a lot of fun, I love how you can impregnate Wheeljack with Bumblebee.

>>11607463
They make KOs that are probably nearly as good

>>11607470
It in fact even had a more Prime like head

>>11607155
These are by Eric Siebanaler, a toy designer who worked on UT, Animated, and the movie toyline from 2007 up to TFP First Edition. He was a big part of TFA's art direction.
You can see more that he did here, some guy posted these photos: https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/eric-siebenaler-returning-to-transformers-design-team.1283642/#post-23789435

>>11607396
Everything you see there is what Brawl comes with.

>>11607378
I want to see a Bruticus redesign where Blast Off forms the torso instead of Onslaught

>>11607469
You probably already know this, but those clear orange tubes can clip onto Wheeljack's rear spoiler.

>>11607298
>there are throttlebot parts already included in a Bumblebee mold
SS86?

>>11607298
So Defensor is confirmed for 2027, thank God I don't care about him.

>>11607495
Seems so, but that makes me wonder about the rumored MPG Defensor.

>>11607486
Also great for sounding.

>>11607495
I just want First-Aid.

>>11607469
I got the US released as they came out, and I do like em. Wheeljack's vehicle mode is a little bit tenuous because he's turning into an empty box, but it isn't too bad. It's probably the most fun "panelly" transformation, with a lot of fun geometry flipping and folding around, feels very much like a puzzle. Bee is good too, but there's definitely less surprises.

>>11607298
I figured once deluxe minibots were done, Throttlebots would be next

I’m surprised HasBro kept the name Big Convoy.
I figured they would change it to something like “Grand Prime” or “Slammoth Prime.”
Just something to keep the Prime name.

>>11607369
Wait!
Which G1 Transformer was Battle Convoy V-Max?

>>11607545
huh, Grand Prime. that could have worked.
the sad thing is that Mammoth Prime could have worked, except nobody uses 'mammoth' to mean 'big' anymore.

I would have just gone with Large Prime or Maximus Prime

>>11607548
Prime and Bigger Prime

>>11607548
I’m pretty sure the redeco of Big Convoy will be “Ultra Mammoth” in the west.

>>11606978
Embarrassing really
Mark truly needs to get let go of, He's so fucking retarded and obnoxious

>>11607545
It is CURRENT YEAR. Companies don't localize Japanese names that don't already have an established one outside of things aimed at 6 year olds.

>>11607551
I'd buy that.
i don't despise this mold (yet, we'll see when it comes out) and I only have the original color of the original mold, so there's room for additional mammoths on my shelf

I mean there isn't, i need more shelves, but

>>11607561
when was 'Leo Prime' established?

also funny how it takes the very common mispronunciation of Lio and just runs with it.

>>11607563
>when was 'Leo Prime' established?
Classics, I believe

>>11607558
Hasbro rehired John Warden only to lay him off before he could do anything while keeping Mark.

>>11607564
huh, you're right, according to the wiki
... but it also says that during Prime, the redeco of Thundertron was actually called レオプライム . Leo Prime (pronounced lay-o this time) which... is .. what? When previously, that name had only been part of a toyline and just a redeco at that. Did Takara look it up? "hmm I wonder what the gaijin are calling him.. oh okay, let's use that" ? ?

Here im wondering what the fuck went wrong with heatwave? that retool is abominable

>>11607530
I jus wan wah wah blah blah blah me me me la la wah wah

>>11607590
I too wemembah baba wawa

>>11607588
The designers don't set out to go "hmm we wanna make X character, let's turn them into a shitty retool for no reason!", they go
>"Hm, our job demands that we put out a certain amount of figures per year but we don't have much tooling budget. Ehh, if we squint at this mold we might be able to BS another character out of it... should be good enough for kids who dont know the character, and tide over fans until we dedicate a proper full mold to that character somewhen in the future."

>>11607624
Or alternatively they go
>"Hey, these two characters look similar/shared similar engineering/were the same exact mold, we should pretool an alternate head and/or plastic color layout for this future figure"

>>11607635
i gotta say, pretooling is the one good thing they've innovated. Yeah it used to exist in some forms, sometimes, but now it's like habit and it's always pragmatic.

>>11607651
I don't think it's wise to say pretooling is always pragmatic when trashheap was pretooled with an alternate head as animated wreck gar this year

>>11607652
not saying every single retool is good, but it's always better than the alternative

>>11607574
This was during Prime, so it was probably done due to the name synergy that started with the movies. At least they acknowledge the change in universe, his name changing after BWN.

>1 combiner a year
Dude fucking annoying. Its gonna be in the 2030’s before we have them all at that rate

I thought they’d have shown all of Bruticus and start teasing Defensor by now. I sold my CW Defensor off way too early, really jumped the gun

>>11607683
sorry what? you mean the packaging info? because this was just a random toy redeco, not a character in Prime after all.

>>11607685
You want them all?

>>11607690
They literally referenced the name change in the legends comics. No one knows if packing info was canon to the show or just a micro continuity, but it is relevant to BWII Lio Convoy.

>>11607699
comics, thank you. Yeah canon is always muddy there, I am just surprised there was one and they put that in.
I guess I shouldn't mind calling him Leo Prime sometimes then.

>>11607695
You dont?

>>11607685
I mean, many people bought 3 this year, and Vortex, so I'm not in a rush.

>>11607685
I wonder if Energon Optimus Prime counts as a combiner....

>>11607746
Wouldn't a frameslop Energon OP that can't scramble be the ultimate monkey paw?

>>11607748
You call every combiner frameslop.

>>11607749
Difference is I don't stop at combiners. Like you, you're a flesh-on-skeleton frameslop.

>>11607748
And how would they turn Energon Optimus into a frame combiner? His trailer is literally just a rhombus storage container. Optimus himself transforms just be folding out his arms and legs, way more simplistic than even G1 Optimus and he never transforms when he goes into Super Mode. The drones just slap on over his limbs and that's it. If anything making him a frame combiner would be overkill and actually push him into Titan Class and I doubt they'd make him a Titan Class because you know, he's from Energon.

>>11607755
People were saying Superion wouldn't and couldn't be made into a frame combiner either back then

>>11607760
Think this rationally anon, Optimus unlike Superion is the complete package. He comes with his trailer and his 4 drones. If a new Energon Optimus Prime toy would be made in Commander Class there would be no room for a frame of any sort. A Voyager-Leader sized Optimus, FOUR drones that are roughly as big as a modern deluxe toy and a big trailer made just to contain those 4 drones. Making Optimus into a frame combiner would be unfeasible and out of budget at Commander and very unnecessary and low priority as a Titan because he's an Optimus that came from the Energon anime. It's 20th birthday and all we got was a Core Class Energon Megatron, there's no way Energon Optimus is that high on the totem pole for Titan Class.
Also, Superion had to transform into a torso with a new head which the new version cheats using a Frame. Optimus quite literally assumes the A-Pose and lets the drones slot onto his arms and legs and a mask flips over his head. Two very different things. Why go through the effort of giving Optimus a frame when he himself IS the frame just like the original toy?

So is Nexus being sold as a complete combiner or more likely we're gonna have to purchase each bot individually as that would be more expensive.

>>11607776
annual pulsecon exclusive, complete in 2031

>>11607695
NTA but I want at least Defensor and Predaking, which it sounds like will happen. Anything past them is extra credit.

>>11607776
He's a voyager.

>>11607785
Minibot combiner?

>>11607791
Probably something along the lines of the Power Core Combiners. Non transforming limbs.

>>11607802
How are those btw, thought about getting one. My appreciation for small bots is growing all the time.

>>11607766
Those drones are simplistic, just a chunk of plastic without many parts counts, that can't possibly be charge as deluxe price point for each.

Flipped the chest 3 times back and forth and I'm thinking the breakage was due to hamhands. Then again i did go in knowing about the hinge and did the wiggle preemptively.

>>11607785
>He's a voyager.
I thought him and Liege are both Leaders?

>>11607821
You don't understand, the pale green hammer and giant blue missile were essential accessories for SS86 Springer. The four new parts that they retooled from Siege Springer weren't enough to justify an entire class price hike

>>11607821
I don't want sound effects

>>11607821
Those extra parts were worth the $20

>>11607545
>>11607561
>>11607563
>>11607564
>>11607574
yeah i think the reason why they still use Leo Prime for Lio Convoy is cause they've already been calling him Leo Prime in the west since 2007 whereas Big Convoy has only ever been called Big Convoy worldwide since 1999, its worth bringing up he's never had a new original mold, only repaints of his original toy. Plus Big Prime or whatever sounds buttfuck retarded. if Hasbro can trademark it they'll keep the japanese name intact now, its why Hellbat was the only Breastforce member to get a name change on the HasLab Liokaiser release cause DC has a trademark for Hellbat.

>>11605333
>>11605343
>>11605351
my favourite John Stephenson role was Mr. Slate on the Flintstones. i have a huge affinity and love for the old Hanna-Barbera voice actors since i grew up on most of their shows as a kid in the late 90s/early 2000s.

>>11607849
Lol no. Liege is a leader, Nexus is a voy. Straight from Jtprime.

There's a clear case of favoritism towards G2/Dreamwave since they are favorites of Marky Mark so Fallen and Liege are both leaders.

I think it's good enough for me to retire the old clear Starsaber and put them back on the card, even with the dubious hilt connection.

>>11607899
And Blitzwing's hulk hands?
Indian Deity Shockwave looks neat but you can't pose him for shit when he's got all that crap on him.

>>11607946
>Blitzwing's hulk hands?
It was all worth it when they look so good on Devastator, before that I'll admit they stayed in the parts bag haha
>Indian Deity Shockwave looks neat but you can't pose him for shit when he's got all that crap on him.
Not everything needs to pose like crazy. I enjoy a full armored brick just for the presence.

>>11607935
Whose the train?

There is a 86 Shockwave in the leaks, no? Personally I never liked Siege Shockwave much. I already sold him off once and rebought him bc I couldnt stand not having the character represented on the shelf. Im ready to sell him off again.

>>11607953
Another Shinkalion, you can tell from the long shins.

>>11607821
They were already budgeting out sound effects way before that. When they did the Universe redecos of Vector Prime and Leobreaker, they had their electronics gutted. Which is especially sad for Leobreaker who gave up everything for every shitty gimmick he had.

>>11607968
Voyager, partial from Siege but I think it will be 90% new mold. And really? I was thinking how he is a perfect deluxe/voyager with worthless shit.

>>11607899
Then try selling them for 20$

>>11607949
I put them on Devastator back and they work nice there.

>>11607369
I get what they're going for but I just don't like the style of the New Diaclone.

Preorders are up for all the new shit. JFC March is going to be expensive

>>11607804
In these modern times two of them at the least could be charged at a deluxe price point.

>>11607989
>Then try selling them for 20$
Don't look at the sold items on ebay lol

>>11601673

This guy is legit, more than fair, and it was a pleasure to do business.

>>11608019
Good to know! I was wondering what became of that. Glad there are trustworthy sellers on /tfg/

>>11608020
And a pic for proofs

Sure he has big feet, bit I'd like to see another Deluxe mount this kind of kit wothout falling over!

>>11608005
Pulse has a few of those guys slated for February, so if you wanted to spread your purchases out a bit or get your hands on a particular dude a month earlier, you could try ordering a few from there instead.

>>11608036
Pulse will say one date but they are never beholden to it. They'll ship out early if it shows up early, or later if it shows up later (as is the case of their Takara imports).

>>11607821
To think we could've had more actual masterpieces of leaders back in the early bayverse era if hasbro wasn't so insistant on wasting budget on those shitty lights and sounds voiced by some random intern

>>11608069
They approached it from the direction of being a toy company.

>>11607780
They'll also do abominus and computron since they appeared in season 3

anything else is a slim chance

>>11608069
I have to remind you kids are still the fucking majority who buy this crap

>>11601635
>>sold WFC Skytreadike a couple years ago
>>want to rebuy him
>>60-70 for a new one, used not.much cheaper
>Oof. Why is this guy so expensive now?
you think you have it bad?
I want my Misfire but i left one in another country and moved to another...
You know how much i paid for Misfire in 2018?
...
....
7 bucks. I'm not kidding. just SEVEN BUCKS. it was a normal tf-price in my small european country back then...

At least i took this photo before moving. I miss all transformers pictured in this box...