If you're skipping France because /pol/ told you so, you're REALLY missing out.

>>2775390 (OP)
The France pavilion at Epcot looks better than that

>>2775390 (OP)
Can I Larp as a French aristocrat and sit at cafes outside and smoke cig, drink wine, and eat those ham and cheese sandwiches with Brie cheese?

I’m enamored with France. I’ve read victor hugo and I’m almost done with prousts 3rd edition of his long novel. I love the way French sounds.

The stuff /pol says about France isn't necessarily wrong. It's really a question of "will it bother you enough that you won't have a good time" The answer to that question is 'it depends'.

I like France a lot. But I avoid the places with a lot of immigrants, specifically, Lyon and Marseille. Paris is tricky. It's absolutely worth visiting, but I wouldn't start with it if you've never been to Europe. I feel the same way about Rome. For my first ever trip to France, I did a road trip through Provence and hit Aix, Nimes, Arles, Cassis, Avignon and a bunch of villages along the way. The people in the south are much nicer than up north in France. The food was less pretentious down south and more rustic, like home home cooking and great neighborhood bakeries. The towns are pretty much dead unless it's the weekend and you can walk around and have most places practically to yourself. If you end up at a weekly market, you'll see what /pol is talking about. The immigrants show up in caravans to sell stuff. They're almost exclusively Arab. It doesn't feel like France.
Of all the countries I've visited in Europe, France has probably the ugliest women. They're skinny, but not attractive. I think the hot ones all leave and go to Spain and Italy.

food 9/10
women 3/10
cities 7/10
countryside 7/10
historic stuff 7/10

>>2775390 (OP)
>hey guys, /pol/
OP is a faggot

>>2775425
>3/10 women
No fuckin way. I thought French girls were a delicacy

>>2775483
Nope. You see a lot of this in France. It's a huge letdown after Spain.

It's like most other places these days. A fucking hellhole with some safe and comfy enclaves

>>2775503
Wrong way around, /pol/ chud.

I'm going to Paris for the first time in September. I've put it off for a long time for other destinations, but it's time. I set my Airbnb up to be fully refundable in case the trash men go on strike, or the taxis, or they have mass protests or some other nonsense. That way I can just bail on Paris and go somewhere else. I'd probably go down to Dijon and just drink wine and explore some villages for a week. If Paris ends up being as bad as people say, I may just go down to Dijon anyway.

>>2775390 (OP)
how do i go to parts that are safe

>>2775791
Go to google street view on a few streets in a given area. If the majority of people you see are white, it’s probably safe.

I went to Paris and it was just like going to New orleans. That’s not a good thing.

>>2775791
Avoid St. Denis and the suburbs entirely. Avoid parks at night, as well as Quartier Latin. Most pickpockets and scams are at the Louvre, Eiffel Tower, and Sacre Coeur tram.
I stayed in a hotel near the Possoineres metro station last fall and that was pretty nice. Close to the train station but not too close

>>2775390 (OP)
>because /pol/ told you so
I'm skipping France because literally everyone i've met from Europe has told me French people are the worst and their country is trash.

>>2775425
>women 3/10
but in their mind they are all 10/10, even the washed up 30 years old bitches.

>>2775425
bro even the black women in France are beautiful

>>2775390 (OP)
France can be great, but pol is also correct sometimes

>>2776306
Agree to disagree as hard as I can. I thought French women were extremely ugly compared to anywhere else in Europe.

>>2775390 (OP)
Dude, if I listened to everything /pol/ had to say, I wouldn't even be living in my current country right now.
Also, I voluntarily visited India. Nothing scares me anymore. France would be a walk in the park, even if /pol/ was right.

>>2775422
You'd be surprised how many people do this. Typically Reddit types who try to mimic whatever they think is cool and have no shame about doing it nor realise how retarded they look.

>>2776751
So I can’t wear a samurai outfit in Japan and drink green tea?

>>2775483
you clearly haven't been here. living in france is how it feels for men in the navy trapped at sea for months with nothing but dudes. even when I went to Egypt and Morroco I was lusting after women in burkas because at least they had a pretty face with tits&ass. The ideal body type for women in France is essentially "concentration camp survivor". They all wear parachute pants because if they wore anything skin tight they look like 12 year old boys. It's insane because you would assume tits&ass is genetic and would be distributed randomly but in France 99.9% of women have neither. I can't imagine what it would be like to live in this hell for your whole life. I don't even turn around to check them out anymore because I already know there's nothing but disappointment. Beesting tits and a back with a crack in the botom.

>>2775791
arrondisment 1 through 10 only then. 15-16 are fine too.

>>2776756
I can't wear a suit of armor in England and drink black tea?

>>2776762
What about the 11th? I’ve heard that’s full of good restaurants and bars and is pretty desirable to live in.

>>2776789
it does have great restaurants, but it's also a gentrified area that hipsters are trying to reclaim from the kaffirs. kind of like brooklyn or germantown in nashville, tn. Lots of spooks and third worlders. that's where a ton of riots/protests are so the only people that would say that is a desirable area to live are self hating white leftists that think all blacks are like children and wouldn't hurt a fly.

but yes, that area does have a ton of great restaurants in a small proximity.

>>2776798
Thanks for the info. Very helpful. I’ll be staying in the Marais so I should be safe enough. I’ll likely go into the 11th to eat but won’t linger there too late.

>>2776759
The fact that being slim is the norm for women in France is pretty great. Don’t knock it. It means the average Frenchman doesn’t have to settle for a hog. That instantly makes life better in France than in most other countries.

>>2775791

>>2775791
>>2775791

>>2775390 (OP)
France is the only place where scammers have ever pissed me off. Fuck the french for allowing this shit. I've been to 10+ countries in Europe and Asia

>>2777100
japan has official travel warnings for Paris?

that's ... sad

>>2775390 (OP)
How practical is it finding love/gf in France countryside as an average American? I have money but I'm not filthy rich. I want to knock up a French woman, get married, and move to France. Want to be a family man. Best places to try my luck? Thanks.

>>2775425
>The people in the south are much nicer than up north in France.
That is a bold lie, it's the other way around and well known, unless you're a Brit and act like you're important strangers will die for you in the north.

>>2777106
Paris effect it's called, it used to be the jewel of France but 50 years of left aligned politicians have tuned it into a ''diverse and vibrant'' city.
Il y a cette mauvaise habitude de ne pas respecter les OQTF aussi, mais c'est une autre histoire.
>>2777264
It's unlikely, you could try medium sized cities since you're not important enough for the big ones and the smaller villages distrust foreigner. Northern people still go to the many tombs of those that have fallen in the two world wars, they have not forgotten those that stormed the beach, if you behave you'll find someone, if you act like some of the GIs of old, like them they'll never find your body.

>>2775390 (OP)
What is Normandy like? I had an offer to go work there

>>2777467
middle of nowhere

>>2776751
Sitting at a Cafe and eating food is now cringe. I don't even have words

>>2777467
Calm, polite, quiet. It's quite isolated and insulated from the rest of the world, save the occasional Brits/Mercans being loud and obnoxious.
Do note: contrary to popular belief, France is well armed and the closer you go north and towards Germany the more armed the locals are and the less patience they have.

>>2777283
>if you act like some of the GIs of old, like them they'll never find your body.

Very interesting, anon. How common was this? I'm sure many of my fellow burgers wore out their welcome with poor behavior and trashing the country worse than the Germans did.

>>2777073 here. Just back from a four day stay in Paris. The city definitly has a lot of "diversity" but in spite of that it actually seemed quite safe and orderly for the most part. The metro was pretty decent too. This was quite a different experience from NY (which I visited in October last year). NY definitly felt edgier, the subway was smellier and sketchier, and the city was full to the brim with black crackheads wandering around with ill intent. In addition to being safer and more pleasant, Paris was significantly cheaper too.

Parisians are stereotyped as being rude, but I found that if you're polite to them and make an effort with a few words of French, they're actually nice enough.

The one negative thing I will say about Paris is the sheer quantity of pretentious, insufferable American roasties there, no doubt trying to live out some bullshit Emily in Paris fantasy. The locals must surely find them completely laughable.

From NY and recently got back from a solo trip spending 1 week in Paris and 1 week in the south. Paris was a breath of fresh air compared to NY, I went with pretty low expectations based on what I'd heard but most weren't true. I'd go back in a heartbeat.

>>2777467
Depends on where in Normandy, the coastline is nice in general. There are only 3 noteworthy kinda small cities: Rouen, Caen, Le Havre, the latter being a concrete shithole while the others are mid-tier. Evreux and the area are basically outer Paris suburbs, and some coastal towns around Deauville are rich shitholes 75% made of parisians secondary homes.

Manche has beautiful ireland-like landscapes and picturesque fishing villages. Seine-Maritime coasts are quite impressive and filled with cliffs. Everything else is kinda boring countryside consisting mostly of fields, and is flat enough that a 200 m tall hill is nicknamed "Normand Switzerland/Suisse normande" by the locals (jej). Areas inland (St-Lô, Flers, Falaise, Alençon) are boring.

>>2777467
this fag >>2777656 is full of shit, he knows nothing about Normandy.
The closest part of Normandy is less than 1 hour from Paris. Some parts are totally pozzed, Rouen and anything around (Elbeuf, Grand Quevilly, Cleon and so on, avoid like plague). Le Havre is ugly, Caen is ugly, Evreux is ugly, Yvetot is ugly.
The countryside has nice farms and scenery, the coast is ok-ish but it's a shit weather 70% of the time.
The places to see (and those are not highly rated for France overall): Honfleur, Abbaye aux Dames, D-Day beaches. Mont Saint Michel is technically on the border between Normandy and Britany.

>>2778538
>I'm used to dogshit and catshit tasted much better

I spent a week in Brittany last year and it was great. Saint Malo and Mont Saint Michel were impressive as expected, but I was also staying just outside Dinan which I had never heard of before and it was lovely too.

>>2777099
No go zones are in red

>>2779351
So every single building block?

I'm from the Midwest. I can have all of the allures of the French countryside, which is the only reason to go there, without being around the French.

>>2778857
>Brittany
>Mont Saint Michel

>>2777101
I've seen videos where they're physically blocking tourists, even laying hands on them. Someone tries that on me and their hand is gonna get slapped away. Not that I'd even think of going to some uppity Euro tourist trap filled with insolent swarthoid hustlers...they sure take advantage of the tolerant & conflict averse behavior of most white people.

>>2779423
Very poor bait.

any reviews on La Rochelle and the whole Vendee region? Considering flying to Bordeaux and then taking a train to La Rochelle for a few days. Interested in history, art, nice sceneries.

>>2779436
Some of the best wine in the world comes from the Midwest, chud.

>>2775425
>I did a road trip through Provence and hit Aix, Nimes, Arles, Cassis, Avignon
I can get really cheap flights to Marseille so I was thinking of flying in and then hitting Aix-en-Provence, Avignon, etc. What would you recommend I do? Thinking of doing 4/5 days, but it's so cheap I might do two of these trips through the year.

>>2779935
Tariffs increasing the cost of goods, decreasing degenerates disposable income and ability to go galavanting around the world destroying the ozone layer, can't come sooner.

>>2779940
th-thanks!

>>2779741
Never been there but it's packed with tourists during summer, it's known as a rather upscale destination

>>2775390 (OP)
This is just Cornwall but the people are arseholes

will paris be cooked on the final stage of the tour de france? hoping to see the sprint down the champs elysee

also planning on renting a road bike cycling up alp d'huez. will i fail miserably? my FTP is 3.3W/kg

>Not going to The Alpes

>>2775390 (OP)
I'm skipping France because I don't want to hear their language.

>>2777501
It's not. But hell if you can spot an actual Frenchman doing that, a tourist doing that and cringy tourists doing that while trying every French stereotype possible.
You don't necessarily look cringe, but you won't look French either

>>2779935
I liked all 5 of those cities when we did the road trip. It's a good road trip route because all of those places were easy to get in and out of and there were a lot spots to park. The Roman arenas in Nimes and Arles are both worth checking out. Both cities had a nice old town with outdoor bars and restaurants. A full day in both is plenty of time to see the good stuff. Aix has less historic stuff. It's mostly a cafe city. One day would be plenty. Avignon looks more medieval. It's a nice city to walk around. Cassis was my favorite spot. It's not as historic, but the Calanques park was amazing. You can bike around and hit some great wineries. The beach has cliffs for diving. The women went topless.

Definitely also stop at the Pont du Gard. That's the best thing we saw on the trip. We did a little detour through Rousslian and Gordes. We also went to the Abbaye Notre-Dame de Sénanque. love driving around on those backroads.

>>2775390 (OP)
Oh wow.... a street!

the biggest travel streamer Jinny just landed in Fance and withing the first hours of the first stream she was physically assaulted and attacked by a muslim

never go to muslim shitholes like france

>>2781919
Can you elaborate? She did what the Japanese typically do right...naively think everywhere is as safe as Japan and then proceed to get blown the fuck out by Naggers, brown people and mudslimes.

>>2782027
she was walking on some street filming herself and a feral muslim attacked her and tried to destroy her phone

>>2781919
link? Just for the lols

>>2782048
There isn't one. He made it up. Just another /pol/cel wank fantasy.

>>2776759
>The ideal body type for women in France is essentially "concentration camp survivor"
It's because most of them smoke to suppress their appetites.

>>2775637
>Wrong way around
ESL detected

>>2782048
>>2782098
https://vastalauta.org/files/859b2df29c19b2ecb1a42188cbb10ad8085ee31a.mp4

>>2775425
Where have you been in northern France anon?

>>2777099
OK go to Paris but avoid any area where a pickpocket might be, best I can do is the Walmart in North Paris LOL

>>2779423
Unironically there is a way to make a Paris type experience out of a hodgepodge of American sites. Just for laughs I will do one

Notre Dame = Salt Lake Mormon Temple
Arc De Triumph = St. Louis Arch if you stick to literally tourist areas ONLY it can be roughly 85% more safe than Paris
Food = New Orleans
Quaint Farms = Montreal outskirts
Louver = Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

That way you skip most of the bullshit but it takes you like six times longer.

>>2782048
Just use this anon if you scared of the link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCCBO278mUM

0:34 what he says :


- Tu veux quoi toi ?
- Casses-toi de là.


- What do ya want ?
- Get outta here.

Other that the fact that he had a classic suburban arabic accent i can't add anything more that isn't me interpreting the situation.

>>2782301
I could have done a way better job sorry there is probably a quality Catholic Cathedral if I really tried to find one.

>>2782304
Arabic dog

>>2777501
anon admitted to liking something, the ultimate sin of the chan

>>2777283
>they have not forgotten the rapes of Normandy, you'll have your luck there.
I hate this country so much

>>2776493
3 beauitufl french girls

>>2775390 (OP)
I'm literally emigrating to france after visiting for 2 months
I would appreciate if any frog anons would give me a job

>>2785397
>emigrating without a job lined up
ngmi (if you're from a first-world country)

>>2775425
>>2775390 (OP)

where in Europe has the hottest women that arent sluts for someone who will be there for 1+ years

>>2785596
Its ok I'm cute enough to make it

>>2775425
>women 3/10
Finally, someone who's actually been to France in the past 2 decades.
>>2775483
They can look fine as can be but then they do this dumb shit called opening their mouth. I do not have the mental capability to deal with the most liberal karen-esque bullshit that will never stop flowing. It doesn't help that if you travel with them for any length of time you realize how absolute shit their tastes are in absolutely everything.

There is a reason french males aren't complaining about migrants because any women that aren't french are welcome

>>2785680
Sounds exactly like German women

Thoughts on Toulouse?
Gonna be teaching English there in a few months.

>>2785397
What are your qualifications
>>2786151
Ask this guy
https://www.youtube.com/@MonsieurProff

>>2775422
>French aristocrat
Do it French peasant style, "a la cart", or in English, "in the car".

>>2786231
>wine
>élevé

>>2785680
So in other words, they’re the same as all other western women. But at least they have pretty faces and slim figures.

>>2779423
American Midwest is full of grid cities that all popped up in a very short period of time, and most roads run in a cardinal direction. French countryside is very different. It was developed over centuries in medieval times, and the roads go every which way. French cheeses are nothing like American cheese (cheddar, mozzarella, cream cheese, more cheddar)

>>2786181
I speak english, itailian, spanish and basic french
Im a member of the international bartenders association, I studied engineering for a couple of years
Im willing to do anything except sex for money
Also I hate arabs so kys if you're arab

>>2775390 (OP)
i went to bordeaux recently
the blacks and arabs seem to be confined just to one area of the old town, apart from that anywhere walkable there wasn't that many of them, dispersed enough to relax

>>2779423
>without being around the French.
young women shopkeepers are so cute when they speak broken english to me :)

bump

>>2775483
Damn i was hoping they all lookedlike nolwenn leroy

>>2779935
If you've got 2 days, Avignon is a great place to visit. One day to visit the city is plenty if you're not the kind to pore over expositions and architecture. It's quite small so you can get to everywhere on foot, there's a really cool cemetary to wander around in downhill on the way to the riverside. Historically the city was apparently known for santons (nativity figurines) so there are a lot of shops and expos around that if it's your thing. I went to a nature reserve about 40 minutes by car away on the second day, there was absolutely no one there since it was a weekday, just some nature photographer lying in the bushes taking photos of birds. Poor guy was in the exact same prone position in the same spot at the end of the day.

Don't go in the summer holidays though, Avignon is close to a lot of airports and other touristy cities so it's packed to the gills in that period, plus it's super hot and the historical center of the city where all the cultural stuff is is devoid of any shade.

If you go to Marseille, try and see if you can rent out a cabanon. They're like little bungalows/shacks that are right on the calanques. I've only been once but I loved the city, sure it has all the worst qualities of a mediterennean metropolis (immigration, petty crime, police presence everywhere you look) but if you're even slightly interested in culture or history there's so much to see. If you're staying in the area for an extended period there are great, easy hikes and just the nature in general is beautiful.

Honestly anywhere in Southern France has a ton of shit to do culture and food wise, if you're more looking for nightlife stick to major cities though, like the other anon said most countryside towns are a bit dead, Notable exceptions in the summer though, a lot of towns or departements will hold historical or musical festivals where people get hammered for a couple of days, like Pentecote in Vic Fenzensac, which is otherwise an absolutely sleepy town.

>>2775483
eh, generalizing how people look in a place only works in closed-off rural regions. The only notable difference I've seen in France is that women dress very well in the office, not much pantsuit stuff compared to the USA. Other than that you've got pretty and ugly on the same scale as anywhere else comparable. I noticed people got fatter the further I got from cities thouhg.

>>2775791
Avoid anything north of La Chapelle and mostly just use the same common sense you'd use at home. Pickpocket theft is mostly around tourist hubs and is mostly easily avoidable since they use the same tricks as anywhere else. Honestly most of Paris holds the same dangers as any other big city, it's when you go into the banlieues that you start having to learn and dress differently to fit in.

>>2776070
That's because French tourists are the most boisterous, cancerous kind there is. They are the vanguard that stems the tide of immigration with their behaviour abroad.

>>2782104
nah man, smoking is slowly dying in France. I've lived here for two years, most smokers are men and most people my age (30), don't smoke at all (of course a lot them smoke when they have beers though). Interestingly enough, the only place I've seen a majority of smokers is outside of highschools. So it might be making a comeback.

>>2777099
>Parc de Montsouris
>Buttes Chaumont
>no-go zones

Wtf why, these are family spots. People take wedding photos there on weekends. A lot of this feels random.

>>2778568
>shit weather 70% of the time
it's my favourite weather since it keeps most people indoors. Fuck the sun.

>>2778492
>The locals must surely find them completely laughable.
Paris has a lot of expats looking to live out a fantasy or redefine themselves. Arguably most of the people that come here from the countryside fit into this as well.

>>2780472
get there early, I was at the finish line in 2008 and it was ungodly packed, couldn't even get out of the crowd until like half an hour after it was over. It must be even worse now and the summer heat usually beats you over the head the whole time you're standing motionless waiting for the cyclists. Truly only an experience for the dedicated cycling fanatic. Much, much better experience catching them at any other étape, the mountain ones are the best and most festive.

>>2781919
Oh hey I live in the city she was assaulted in haha.
>>2782027
From what I've seen and understood in the clip, she was doing her usual thing and some Arab guy got caught in the film, told her to stop filming him and then smacked her phone when she didn't comply. He walked off right after that and she just carried on lol, surprisingly calm about it.

>>2782301
New Orleans food is very different though, for one you don't get access to the produce they use so the taste won't be the same for local specialty dishes. Not hating on NOLA, love the food there, but very different.

>>2775422
you wouldn't really be doing French aristocrat things, but yeah those are are all just a normal part of stuff you can do in France. If you like Hugo it's neat going around the places described in the books.

>>2786334
it's a specific step in vinification, but you're right that it sounds funny when you think about it haha

>>2786841
go to any major city and you will easily find a barman job with your skills. From there you can pivot to other stuff once you've got some roots down.

>>2789852
+1 for Avignon. Go in September. Definitely get a car and go see the Pont Du Gard.

Been living in the Loire Valley on and off for about 3 years now. Nicest part of France so far I've been to so far. All the chateaux and rolling green hills like the Shire

>>2789871
Thanks anon
<33

>>2789871
>only speaks basic french
>telling the guy he can easily get a job in france
lmao

>>2789954
>Been living in the Loire Valley

How's Tours to go live in as an expat with an independent income (remote job? What's the diversity status like?

>>2790281
I only say this because it is factually true. I live in Toulouse and there are scores of young people coming from South America right now, a lot of bartenders are from SA and start out barely knowing French. There are a ton of FLE classes you can take for free here, some major cities even completely reimburse the language class. I'm not saying you can come here and get some high tier job right away, but there are plenty of shit jobs to go around.

>>2790346
Very sleepy city, the only time I went there I heard some complaining about Roms making permanent settlements. Tours is a node on the railway so you can get to Paris and anywhere on the coast decently quick.

Is Lyon worth visiting for the food? What is the immigrant situation like there?

>>2775425
>women 3/10
Thank you
I went to France within the past year and was so fucking disappointed by their women
I was expecting the most beautiful women on earth considering all the hysteria about France, I couldn't believe it., incredibly meh all around

I wish a nice frenchanon would give me a job, I dont have friends or family and I would make it my entire personality

>>2790384
If you're going to Lyon, you're so close to the Alps that it would be insane to skip Chambery, Annecy and even Chamonix. You won't get history in Chamonix, but the gondola ride up to the Aiguille du Midi is worth the trip by itself.

Every little town up in the Chamonix valley is connected by a cheap local bus. They're all ski towns with good food. Annecy is one of my favorite smaller cities in Europe. It's got a great old town, great bars, it's on the lake, it's cheap.

>>2790426
>I was expecting the most beautiful women on earth considering all the hysteria about France
This is because my fellow amerilards aren't used to seeing thin women and France just happens to be the most common place to travel in Europe

Why are Americans like this? Paris is perfectly safe, I was there last winter and never did I feel unsafe. You obviously don't go to the suburbs where the Africans live, and besides, there's nothing to see there. You'd also have to be a senile boomer to get pickpocketed anywhere in Europe that isn't the shadiest suburb.

>>2792701
Safe but annoying. Those Africans won't leave tourists alone with their dumb bracelets and other scams.

>>2792701
I was with a friend going up the stairs leading to Montmartre, and a bunch of africans started to try and sell us their shitty bracelets. We ignored them and just walked on, but one of them grabbed my friend by the wrist and tried to slap on a bracelet on him. He had to struggle to break free.
In what shitty 3rd world country is it normal for random niggers on the street to physically grab you to sell you shit?

>>2792703
They literally were standing right outside the exit for the area around the Eiffel, like you essentially had to run directly into them exiting the gate

>>2785680
"I will conclude this chapter with a remark that I am sincerely proud to be able to make—and glad, as well, that my comrades cordially endorse it, to wit: by far the handsomest women we have seen in France were born and reared in America. " Mark Twain, 1869

I want to visit France for the food. Anything I should know about restaurants and etiquette there?

>>2793028
standard stuff if you're already familiar with western culture, it might be different if you go to more high-tier restaurants but anything else you just behave as you would in the USA (besides obligatory tipping). There are a few cultural things I picked up on there though, like if you have foie gras you don't spread it on your bread as it will alter the texture and taste or that in the south you say chocolatine and in the north pain au chocolat.

>>2792724
This happened to me when I went to uni in Paris as well, it really only does affect tourists though, once you get used to living there you just ignore all the scammers and street vendors (besides the corn grilled on shopping carts, those are delicious). I almost got scammed in NY and London as well so I'm assuming this is the kind of thing that plagues all major cities in the western world.

>>2775390 (OP)
I can't trust the french in france. They are a fucked up people. They might start arresting or raping people for Bane. I can barely tolerate this new state of the art government which sucks massively and gets constantly clipped.

>>2793072
errr, what?

>>2775390 (OP)
I wonder how many of the anti France criticisms are really anti Paris criticisms

Like if you hate Paris maybe southern France will be more pleasant. Like obviously not Marseille for (((certain reasons))), but Aix, Arles, and Avignon.

Around France there are places, notably Lyon, that dislike Paris and Parisians.

>>2775392
Agreed lmao

>>2793026
He was really down on French women on his trip there. But absolutely infatuated with... Russian ones? Greek? I don't remember. Good book though.

your thoughts on french people you've met during your trip in france?

>>2795347
Nicest people ever if you’re not fat and ugly