This is for the boys who who make real money and splash serious cash on travel (at least five figures per year).

Four Seasons, Aman, other magnificent resorts and villas.

First class airline travel, private lounges, personal jets.

Top notch restaurants.

Five figures to spend on guided tours, charter yachts, unique experiences most normals will never taste. Escorts and exotic sugar babies who will make you nut out of body. Crazy remote locations. Gambling and designer fashion shipping. Literal White Lotus shit, the sky's the limit.

I know not everybody here is a twenty-something slumming it in hostels. Let's hear travel reports from the high IQ successful men with money to burn.

>>2785424 (OP)
>serious cash
>at least five figures per year
imbecile, that's a single first class flight
...

Everytime I go upper middle class hotels I don't feel like I get my moneys worth. And looking at some of these 1000$/night resort vlogs on YouTube, it seems even with luxury options I'd share the same faith.

>>2785424 (OP)
>Let's hear travel reports from the high IQ successful men with money to burn.

I did this for a couple years before covid, after making a few million dollars off the sale of a business and then an extra bump from crypto.

I'll give you the tl;dr - its all painfully fake, the people serving you hate you, the other richfags you meet are evil subhuman scum (not saying Im better), the women are all golddiggers, and the danger is real if you stray outside your security blanket.

The worst part? It gets normal, after awhile. Living in ultra luxury is something you just adapt to and it becomes rote and banal. Waking up in my $600 a night suite isn't any different than a $100 a night room in thailand.

The simping, kowtowing, servile behavior is stomach turning. I didn't grow up with it so maybe that's why, but watching grown men humiliate themselves for my comfort is revolting to me.

If you want to make it worthwhile? My advice is stick to being a weekend millionaire, so that the ultra-luxury is actually luxury and out of this world something you do not experience daily.

That is what I do now. I live a modest life focus on my goals and live fairly simply, but I go on a really ridiculously out of this world vacation once a year, and I usually take an average chick I enjoy being with, rather than a sugar baby bimbo retard. Women can make or break a vacation, you can leave a hot girl behind in your hotel to go do stuff, but its more fun to take a cute girl who actually will appreciate it and do stuff with her so she gets some great memories.

Speaking of women, high end escorts and sugar babies will cause the same issue. After awhile, that becomes normal, and suddenly you are chasing $800 a night escorts because you think you deserve it and need it, instead of being satisfied with something else.

The hedonic treadmill is a real thing. Avoiding it is the key to enjoying the fruit of your labor.

>>2785424 (OP)
>at least five figures per year
kek
that's what I was spending in some years during university
if you make traveling your priority, that's not a lot

>personal jets
that's really a league above the other mentioned
only flew private a couple of times and it honestly wasn't worth it, regretted it almost always

apart from the prohibitive cost
flying business / first in a big airliner even is more /comfy/ than even a super-midsize

>everybody here is a twenty-something slumming it in hostels
plenty oldfags here, with a decade+ into their career

also
>startup during university
>(small) exit in late 20s
not that uncommon and you'll end up with a couple millions

>>2785445
>Everytime I go upper middle class hotels I don't feel like I get my moneys worth
really? that's the category I feel like is actually worth it
usually very good location, nice enough rooms (if you upgrade) and their concierge does the basic stuff

for the 1k+/n basic room category I feel the same though
but that's because I don't use their service
they can organize a lot of stuff for you (planning your whole stay), get reservation etc.
but I don't need all that

sometimes it's still worth it because of the exceptional location / architecture / uniqueness
like aman summer palace or literally every hotel from SLH (can't recommend SLH enough)

>>2785454
>the other richfags you meet are evil subhuman scum
>t. never actually been to any social lux hotel
most people there are super nice and chill

beside the age (you rarely meet people in their 20s/30s)
the average hostel I've stayed in in my late teens / early 20s, had way worse crowds

>women are all golddiggers
the fuck, no
most women there are wealthy / successful themselves (yes including influencer)

>$600 a night suite
what is this, a suite for ants?
that's more likely a mid range hotel and not (ultra) luxury
>the people serving you hate you
you are probably just very obnoxious

>Speaking of women, high end escorts and sugar babies will cause the same issue
maybe you should switch from traveling with prostitutes to traveling with your wife
then you'd actually enjoy the travels instead of contemplating about the "hedonistic treadmill"

>>2785424 (OP)
>guided tours
>unique experiences
where do you find those?

I only know contexttravel
while awesome, they are only available in very few places

sometimes I look at lux travel tours, check the guide on linkedin and write them
or when it's a historic site, just directly ask researchers who work there
but sometimes that's really difficult to find

travel agents are typically utterly useless, they only know hotels / restaurants
and the hotels themselves can rarely organize anything that I can't find on getyourguide / viator / etc for half the price

Highlights from my recent high end trip to Phoenix, Arizona:

Four Seasons Scottsdale. Nice facilities, decent adult pool that only gets crowded in the early afternoon, solid service. This location is a little ways away from the main stretch or Old Town Scottsdale but it has its advantages. Cool desert landscape and dark sky with tons of stars at night. Close to McDowell Mountain park which is worth a drive for the wildlife and desert views.

Food: Ocean 44. Can't say enough good things about this place. It easily tied some of the best seafood/steak dinners I've had in Vegas and even the West coast.

Women: hot ass blondes straight out of Instagram all over Scottsdale. Feasted my eyes on so much ass at the pools. These girls are hot enough to show maximum ass, just floss covering them and nothing else. Maybe I am just deprived of seeing attractive white women due to living in flyover country where the median woman is fat and plain or some kind of third world mystery meat. If I were ten years younger and not a chronic gooner porn addict with a half wrecked dick, I might have gone after a few. Made my midnight goon sessions intense as fuck though.

Scottsdale Mall: Fun interactive art at Wonderspaces. Dropped some cash at Ferragamo for new belts and wallet. Downside, only place on my trip where I saw a few thuggish niggers skulking around, but nothing ever felt unsafe or prone to robbery.

you ARE a member... right?

>>2785445
For thirdie countries I always find that 200 dollars is good enough to spend on a hotel. Any more and you get diminishing returns. Even for some firetie countries is more than enough. I can't fathom spending more than 500. It feels like they are scamming me at that price.

>>2785777
>thirdie countries 200 dollars per night.
>Any more and you get diminishing returns
for that price you typically get a basic room in the local run-of-the-mill 5* hotel
if you just want a nice(ish) room, with good location and okay(ish) service, than that's more than enough

>can't fathom spending more than 500.
>It feels like they are scamming me at that price.
as already written here >>2785490
you pay for
>exceptional service / location / architecture / uniqueness
Aman, O&O, MO or Hotels from SLH / LHW etc. just are a different experience than the average Marriott

just try it once or twice and decide if it's worth it

I do like luxury travel and can afford it, but what am I supposed to write about in such a general thread?

>>2785803
>what am I supposed to write about in such a general thread?
where you've been recently
cool destinations
and bad experiences

also where do you find high quality guides / tours and experiences (think like vatican key masters tour)
most platforms focus on price, which I don't care about
and you don't easily find something like the 500€ vatican key masters tours there

basically >>2785505

>>2785424 (OP)
I'm not rich but I spend way above my means when it comes to travel so I have some experiences with more luxorious travel. Here are my thoughts.

Things that are 100% worth it:
>business class flights
>above-average resorts and hotels

Things that are NOT worth it:
>first class flights
>super luxury hotels and White Lotus shit
>fine dining

As for the flights, business class in many long-haul airlines has become so good that it is actually retarded to pay for first class in my opinion. You can access the first class lounge with status if you fly enough, and the seats are just not worth it.

I like to stay in a nice hotel that has everything covered, provides top-of-the-notch breakfast, and will do shit for you if you need it. Above this I start to feel diminishing returns, a fancy 1000/night 5-star hotel just doesn't provide enough over a 3-400/night one.

As for dining, I just never understood fine dining. Maybe you have to grow up in that kind of environment to appreciate it. Every single time I had 50x more fun and 50x more enjoyment of the food by just eating at random street food locations or trying out whatever the locals recommend.

>>2785834
>Above this I start to feel diminishing returns, a fancy 1000/night 5-star hotel just doesn't provide enough over a 3-400/night one.
This
>Every single time I had 50x more fun and 50x more enjoyment of the food by just eating at random street food locations or trying out whatever the locals recommend.
Some are worth it but few and far between. You need a local to recommend the good ones. The Michellin stars are so incredibly irrelevant now. They give that shit to everyone and their dog. Google reviews aren't very good either.

>>2785834
>NOT worth it
>fine dining
personally I really enjoy fine dining
and almost always find it worth it

>more enjoyment of the food by just eating at random street food locations or trying out whatever the locals recommend
that doesn't contradict with fine dining

fine dining "typically" uses local ingredient but the style is mostly very international
the focus here is on the craftsmanship, artistic, presentation

you gotta eat the regular local food as well
which emphasize taste and culture and have little regards for the artistic component

>retarded to pay for first class
most upgrade with miles
it's a prestige product anyway, airlines make more with business class
>and the seats are just not worth it.
imo the ones that are actually worth it are the double suites
way cheaper than flying private (for 2p) but wife is happy because we can cuddle kek

https://files.catbox.moe/w1q4qd.mp4

>>2785873
yeah it's an amazing property
the best thing about amanzoe are their big villas
stayed with family in their 5bd one
really rare to get that

>>2785582
I think Phoenix has the hottest women in the world. I don't know why. Seems kinda random but everyone is so fucking hot. Fashion Street or whatever it's called is insane. Where do they all come from?

>>2785873
>>2785884
I want to take a stripper here does anyone have any experience traveling with sugar babies or such? Seems better than looking for local escorts since you can take them to dinner and just have a good time doing couple things together. Assuming she's not enough and you have rapport to know she would be a good time. Would recommend? Downfalls?

>>2785873
>4k a night
Jesus. I like my luxury as much as everyone but that's a bit much. What makes it different from a 1k a night luxury resort?

>>2785834
>white lotus shit
Taormina is very beautiful though, I would recommend going. Literally just got back a few days ago
Just rent an apartment or stay at another hotel instead of paying $3000/night to stay at the four seasons.

>>2785963
https://youtu.be/QWC1FlIINVU?si=oAVmTvmpsiSsPmhh

>>2785959
>anyone have any experience traveling with sugar babies or such?
not myself, I travel with my wife kek
but some of friends do

apparently local escorts can be a problem, sometimes; but highly depends on the property and local laws
sugar babes are never a problem - how would they know she's not your partner? Just don't tell anyone.
if you're traveling with 2 (or more) women, properties won't care as long as you book the appropriate number of "official" beds

the obvious downside to some long term agreement is that even local high end escorts are cheaper

also traveling together is something else than just spending a night together
you should contractually fix what happens if you don't want her around
because if you tell her she'll going on vacation with you for a week but you have enough of her on day 3, she'll be really angry
(from personal experience was really uncomfortable even as 3rd party who traveled with affected guy)

>>2785963
>4k a night Jesus.
>What makes it different from a 1k a night luxury resort?
in this case?
Aman brand name and that there isn't much competition (there is O&O and MO, but both have a different vibe), so it doesn't matter if it's 1k or 4k, if you want ultra lux, that's your only option

also lots of staff, expensive area in general, giant and absolutely flawless property, perfect service
and remember their "basic" options is a 200sqm villa
all very expensive to maintain
if you enjoy these types of resorts, there isn't really anything beyond

also 4k is in high season
it's 2k already in low season, which I think is much more pleasant in greece anyway

>>2785968
Can you give me some more details? Did he associate with her a decent amount of time before the trip? What was the issue and then what did he end up doing with her?

>>2785972
if you mean the failed trip
>Did he associate with her a decent amount of time before the trip?
yes, I think they've been meeting regularly for ~3month by that time
but only one evening / day at a time
>What was the issue and then what did he end up doing with her?
not exactly sure
i think one of the problems was that she didn't want to do all activities with him (jetski) and then proceeded to vanish again and again (like to the Spa) without telling and leaving him alone (could have also been a bedroom issue which he didn't told me...)
they fought, he said she has to leave, she stayed sulking in the room for a day before taking the flight he booked her
they never met again

the safer way seems to just get a multi day escort
where it's clear what's expected before you go / pay
depends a lot on what you want, actual companionship with no strings attached or just sex from a women who follows you around / looks nice

actually now that I think about it, the escorts were mostly uni students and more interesting to be around (again only from a outsider perspective)

>>2785980
Appreciate it. This is something to think about. I guess it is something you don't think about when dreaming of spending a week in Greece with a hottie you just met but it's probably a more likely outcome than just a week in paradise with amazing sex.

Maybe not "ultra" luxury but I'm having trouble deciding if a 5star hotel is worth it over a 4-star

I'm planning a ski trip this coming winter to Germany/Switzerland. Most of the places I'm going have 1-2 5star options at $400-500 a night. They have a bunch of things I'm not entirely interested in including spas, restaurants and saunas.

There seems to be plenty of 4 star options at $150-200 with rooms just a nice and without all the extra fluff. What am I really getting for the extra money?

>>2785996
https://www.bourdela.com/escorts/

>>2785998
The difference is usually the age and target audience.
5* are older more recreational "lifestyle" skiier, mostly closer to the town center or completely remote, you're likely to get a fancy 4-5 course menu for dinner
4* is the younger more sporty audience, location is usually ideal right next to the mountain railway or other sport facilities, food is a bit less fancy(comfort food just a bit more fancy) and the usual dinner is just 3-4 courses

Else you mostly get the same things.

>>2785424 (OP)
incel thread. ugly men ruined the world. started the money jew world game we see today. kill them all burn burn burn.

Wife and I make about $700k but still book our flights on points. Once you get over about $1500-$2000 a night you get very diminishing returns at hotels besides ensuring a similar clientele. I do love good fine dining but even now I’m in Edinburgh and we’re going to go get fish and chips and a few pints at a pub.

I feel like I haven't had an actual vacation since early COVID. I end up working whenever I travel somewhere, whether it is answering calls and emails, reviewing docs, or actually meeting people through coincidence or craftiness.

Maybe half the time I travel, I have to go back to the US early simply because something came up. It's largely impossible to balance my career, partner, and personal time. Anyone else know this feeling?

>Lounges
Lounges suck now. They're filled with Platinum card chumps crawling out of the woodwork. Some are nice, most feel like sitting in an Ikea or something. If I'm flying scheduled, I'll just show up as close to my flight as possible. If I miss my flight, whatever, I'll just reschedule. Not a big deal. I'd rather reschedule than sit in a lounge with fucking Pam from Wisconsin for an hour.

>Charter Yachts
There is an old quote that says, "If it flies, floats or fornicates, always rent it." This applies most readily to yachts. Private planes are an asset. A consistent partner is an asset for far more than business. But a yacht is nothing but a liability. I've been on charters that were a million dollars a week, and they are fantastic, but I would never buy one. The best deal is just getting a text from a friend saying, "We've got a stateroom for you, be here on this date" and then just planning your flight and hopping on the tender. I am tempted by a Zeelander 8, though.

>Unique Experiences
I've had a lot, but one that stands out to me was when the CDC in Cambodia closed down the Angkor Wat complex for a group of us, and we had an extensive dawn tour led by this Australian guy named Damian something. Going through all these restricted areas, seeing ongoing excavations, and exploring the entire site without the masses of tourists was pretty special. Felt like I was truly discovering a lost world.

>>2785996
>dreaming of spending a week in Greece with a hottie
>just a week in paradise with amazing sex.
that really sounds like you want more of an escort
spend a few nights before with her to check compatibility
take her shopping for the trip and you probably get exactly that

sugar babe relationships are somewhat tricky
because general expectations are set by the image of older guys and not someone in their late 20s to 30s

>>2785998
>having trouble deciding if a 5star hotel is worth it over a 4-star
if you already think about that, you probably won't get happy with a 5*
either they offer soft / hard product you want or they don't - it's not some magical place where everything's better

>planning a ski trip
>What am I really getting for the extra money?
you just said it yourself, they have (better) Saunas, Spas and Restaurants
which you all are not interested in

$150-200 seems kinda cheap for a 4* in main season though
nice(ish) chains like Falkensteiner will be closer to 300-400€/n

personally I prefer renting Chalets / apartments in the alps when skiing

>>2786022
>Once you get over about $1500-$2000 a night you get very diminishing returns at hotels besides ensuring a similar clientele
you mean in room upgrades or just basic rooms

because finding a basic room above 2k is quite rare
the only ones I can think of are Safari Lodges like Singita (and similar), a few Aman properties and some Island resorts (pacific, Seychelles, Maldives etc.)
and for me, the Safari lodes are almost always worth it

>>2786029
>end up working whenever I travel somewhere
that's really bad, from multiple points of view
bad for mental / physical health
bad for company because if you eventually get sick (/burn out), things come crashing down
>largely impossible to balance my career, partner, and personal time. Anyone else know this feeling?
i had a short period like this in the year before we raised a Series A
didn't vacation at all
but i really put a lot of effort into changing that, with success, did several longer vacations (2-3weeks 3x/year) without (or really minimal) interruption before exit

>lounges suck now
maybe I'm too young, but didn't they always suck?
only really pleasant experiences I had were private terminals

>Cambodia closed down the Angkor Wat complex for a group of us
that sounds absolutely amazing
how did you find out about that?
I always struggle to find these experience myself and also had no luck with travel agents so far

>>2786064
I mean in the sense of the room. A room can only become so luxurious for a basic room before you start jumping into grand suites. The value at the higher end resorts goes much further into the service and what the staff will do for you. I was just at a couple nice places in Ireland and we stayed at Mt Juliet to see the Irish Legends and then at Adare Manor and would I say the basic room was worth 4x the cost at Adare? No.

>>2786068
>thats really bad
Oh, trust me, I know. But if I'm reflecting for a moment, it comes down to the fact I'm addicted to deal-making and I'm frightened of the idea that if I'm not involved, I'll be left out. My LPs take advantage of that fact, and I take advantage of the insecurities of the Associates and VPs who work for me. It is a vicious cycle.

But, I wouldn't be doing this work if a significant part of me didn't enjoy it. I've burned out a couple of times, and during COVID I was granted a ten-month sabbatical. I'll take a real vacation for a bit once I have kids.

>didn't they always suck?
They were never incredible, maybe I've got some rose-tinted glasses from childhood and when my career was just starting out. Continuing with my furniture store analogy - if modern lounges are like Ikea, then the nice lounges of a while back felt like a Knoll? Definitely more people in them now than ever before, though.

>How did you find out about that
We and the Cambodian Council for Development were in talks over a deal, and as part of their approach and attempt to woo us and some other Western firms, they hooked us up with that experience. No travel agent or anything. This kind of stuff happens here and there, sometimes it goes the whole wrong way too. Once we were in India, and they scheduled an elephant ride through some national park, and two of the fucking elephants died the day we were there.

Neither of those resulted in an actual deal being struck. Now that I think about it, there is probably no correlation between bribes like that and whether or not a suitable deal space is found. Huh, go figure.

>>2786068
I bribed the security guard at Angkor Wat $15 and he let me and the girl I was with re-enter it as they were ushering everyone out for the evening. It was magical walking around it, even to the very top, in dead silence, and at sunset.

Poorfags and richfags are having experiencesexhaving...and youre not.

>>2785454
there are some escorts that wouldnt suck my ass and that is something i have been spoiled with

>>2786115
I fucking hate you so much it's unreal. I was surrounded by a gazillion chinks. Absolutely brilliant.

>>2786108

>Lounges sucking

It stuns me that the Amex Platinum card somehow became the top choice of the middle class normie post-Covid to the point where it clogged lounges.

I know Amex and Delta have been trimming back unlimited access to their lounges with this card for all but the bigger spenders (think you need like $70K per year on the card to have unlimited visits now), but the ten per year for low spenders is still too much.

Amex itself needs to jack up the annual fee to freeze more "look at me, I just started making $100K!" normgroids out of having this card. Double the fee to $1400 or $2000 per year and you'll see the slobs in Target t-shirts vacate the lounges.

>>2786227
Platinum is still unlimited to Amex lounges. The $75k is for having guests for free. There are a lot fewer kids these days than there used to be.

>>2786227
>>2786260
I wear target t-shirts and more than break the $75k threshold

>>2785998
choose whatever is ski-to-door

>>2786029
>>2786108
>>2786227
I'm not American so I don't have much experience with credit card lounges, but aren't the airline lounges better? If you fly a reasonable amount you should easily have gold or whatever status that allows you to use the airline lounges. I have had good experiences with the flagship airline lounges at major airports

>>2786312
Not really the entry tier lounge is pretty much a zoo with free discounter drinks and bottom tier school canteen food not made for human consumption. Pretty much everyone is allowed to enter it.
Then you got from SA the a bit better tier like Senator Lounges where it's actually a lounge and a bit "exclusive" drink quality goes up 2-3 tiers an the food is on the level of a ok tier kebab stall but it's still more or less a zoo.
And the only good and actual lounge is the first class/HON only with a actual restaurant serving edible food, quality booze and even on demand private hotel rooms.

>>2786227
>pay for expensive VIP Qatar lounge
>its crowded as fuck
>cant even get a seat
>waste time just going up and down looking for seating
They need to increase the prices or increase the prices to credit card companies. I'm not against normies going. I'm just against it being so crowded I can't even get a seat

>>2786302
To be clear it’s spending $75k on the card annually, not income.

>>2786302
>I wear target t-shirts and more than break the $75k threshold
doesn't necessarily exclude you, often wealthy leisure travelers are a nuisance as well
not even a specific age group
only thing that would (maybe) help is just having less people there

>>2786308
>choose whatever is ski-to-door
for me that's really important too
but I mostly rent chalets where this is easier
like another anon said, the actual lux options are typically in the town centers
you'd forfeit these options if you only want hotels with piste to door

>>2786312
>but aren't the airline lounges better?
they are most often the same lounges you get access to with a credit card / prioritypass / paid etc.

with rare exceptions
like the Lufthansa private Terminal - but you have to fly a lot (~50 business class legs / year) or first class
other airlines have those too of course

I do a business class rt maybe once per month
and even if I'd fly exclusively with 1 airline, I wouldn't make the highest (nice) tier

>>2786330
Lufthansa and Air France have great first experiences.

>>2786316
Feels good to be HON. Often when I'm flying out in the evening on a workday I go to the first class lounge several hours before and work from there while enjoying the food and drinks.

>>2786372
First Class Lounge in ZRH is really great. Sadly I won't make it to HON so have to deal with SEN and take my couple upgrades here and there to first.

>>2786312
>you should easily have gold or whatever status that allows you to use the airline lounges.
one has to be careful with this.
for example Star Alliance tops up at Gold status, which you can attain pretty easily but it gives you access only to the lower-level lounges which at many airports have been made available to pretty much everybody and their dog. this is really fucking annoying because e.g. with United you can only get into United Club and not the actually good Polaris lounges

on the other hand Oneworld has a fancier, Emerald status that gives you access to the higher-level lounges including first class lounges. I think that is really fucking good and those lounges are usually good quality. when I was flying more for work, I always tried to get the Emerald status and I think that worked better than most credit card lounge access privileges, provided that you stick to Oneworld.

I haven't used SkyTeam much so never got status with them.

>>2786386
OneWorld Emerald is handy when you are flying with airlines that have first class. Some nice first class lounges I have been to have been in LHR and NRT.

>>2786350
I've always wanted to fly La Premiere once.

>>2786395
I’m eager to try the new one at some point. Easily the best ground experience I’ve had flying out of CDG.

>>2786312

Depends on the airline and location in my experience. I live near a Delta hubs so I mostly fly with them when possible.

Delta has some really great Sky Clubs that are almost equal to Amex lounges in food/aesthetic and others that feel like bus terminals with cafeteria-like food/drink.

Even with Amex, quality can sometimes vary. I find their Las Vegas lounge underwhelming compared to other locations. Smaller, crowded as hell, bathroom stalls frequently out of order, but this could be due to higher traffic coming through Harry Reid.

Unless you're deep into 8 figure territory, then anything past business class and 4 star hotels are simply not worth the money like 90% of the time

>>2786646
You can get 5 star hotels for 100 a night in Thailand.

Did anyone else luxurymaxx during covid?

Airlines and hotels slashed prices by like 80% to compete for the very small number of people still traveling. Those semi-private islands in the Maldives with only like 10 villas that usually go for $2000 per night was going for like $400. It was fucking great. And all the other travelers you met were chill people who didn't fall for the mass hysteria over a virus with a mortality rate similar to that of the flu for anyone under the age of 70, so it was great all around

>>2786646
>Unless you're deep into 8 figure territory
>anything past business class and 4 star hotels are simply not worth
wrong

when you're young, your NW is inevitable low(er)
you can have a high 6fig HHI and if you prioritize travel (we're on /trv/ after all) your travel budget will absolutely allow ultra lux

also
5mio are a safe ~150k/yearly withdrawal
with the typical 6weeks/vacation (in my country)
that's a budget of 3.5k€/d
without even including additional travel budget from salaries

kinda agree with first class flights though

>>2786657
>You can get 5 star hotels for 100 a night in Thailand.
that's not a real 5* hotel anon
i know they are "officially" 5*
but the service, the rooms, the amenities will be more akin to a good 4* (nothing wrong with that)
but they will fall short to something like a FS (which already is the "base" of "real" 5* hotels)

>>2786661
During covid, traveling was a real hassle because every country had various requirements to be allowed in. Often testing, and sometimes quarantine. It was great in the end though, all the other travelers you met were chill people who didn't fall for the mass hysteria over a vaccine that worked and had no ill effects. So you had far less low IQ people and boomers traveling, since you needed to be vaccinated to get anywhere. And most people didn't want to bother with all the forms and regulations. Also, no kids, and no chinks was great.

>>2786665
Nobody with an IQ above 80 flies first class and regularly books 5 star hotels with an income of $150k per year. At that income level even business class is stretching it, unless you're booking the tickets through your company and getting the tax deducted. But paying full price at $150k/year? That would be really irresponsible

>>2786670
>with an income of $150k per year
i meant additional income of 150k/y
additional to your regular salary, which should (at minimum) cover living expenses
I doubt there are any actual retirees (outside of NEETs) on 4ch

that's why I calculated the full 150k on the 42 vacation days

just wanted to say that when you're young
have relatively low NW
but a normal to high HHI
you can easily afford that kind of luxury travel to the point where 2k/n are a reasonable rate

>>2786661
>Did anyone else luxurymaxx during covid?
tried it
quarantine regulations were really making it hard
and all the hotels i've been to, even though empty, had underwhelming service

did rent a serviced apartment in the Austrian alps for 3 months though
later for 4 months a house on Madeira
and worked from there

>>2786029
COVID was 5 years ago. Fuck off

>>2786670
I make around $150k a year and it's no problem to afford a business-class, 5-star hotel vacation once a year.

One of my favorite resorts is Pimalai in Ko Lanta, Thailand. It's true luxury and pampering, and it won't break the bank either. You can get your own private villa with a private swimming pool for something like 500 a night.

>>2786713
>$150k a year and it's no problem to afford a business-class, 5-star hotel vacation
>once a year.
yeah that's not regularly

and most likely you'd have a better experience slowly upgrading across the board and not just 1 out of 4-6 weeks vacation
true 5* hotels are relatively bad value anyway (with exceptions), unless you "upgraded" everything else already

point of >>2786670
you shouldn't shell out 20k for a week, when you make 150k/y
build your nest egg first

>>2786324
I’m well aware

>>2786661

I wish to God that Covid or some other exotic disease would come back.

Roads were completely empty.
Hotels and eateries on their knees begging for business.
Mandatory takeout sometimes, but no big deal, and more places cared about quality because it was their only lifeline.
If you had no normie 9-5 tying you down, you could just fuck off to Hawaii for a once-in-a-lifetime experience of unparalleled, uncrowded natural beauty after the mandatory hotel quarantine (I missed out on this and it is my biggest Covid era regret).

Government restrictions aside, you could literally live like a billionaire while normals stayed masked up in their shoebox houses, shaking with fear.

That first pre-jab year of the virus really was the best if you could navigate it properly. Then everyone started to realize Covid was very weak unless you're either 400 lbs or have the immune system of a 90 year old AIDs patient, and well, we got the post-Covid travel hellscape of mass crowds nearly everywhere.

>>2785497
>most people there are super nice and chill
Nta and I agree with this. I moved around in some extremely rich social circles for a while, including literal billionaires and the were so very polite and friendly but everything was superficial and almost like interactions you'd have in a professional setting, no one wants to offend anyone or make a faux pas. They all seem to move around so much that is really just the extent of their social lives, which is quite depressing.

>>2786933
>and the were so very polite and friendly but everything was superficial and almost like interactions you'd have in a professional setting
that's because (almost) everything IS a professional setting at that point

most of your peers will be connected to you via something money / business related
and every connection has a potential ROI

already starts with small business owners on a local level
but once your name is on wikipedia (or worse some forbes list) you can't escape it

i actually pulled out of being an angel investor myself (after I sold my company) because of this
wanted to stay in the startup scene - with less stress
but once you are known in your city, people will start treating you like your professional persona in EVERY interaction
even in the evening, even on weekend, even during vacation
and I'm not even really rich, I only funded pre-seed for 3 startups (at that point)

>>2786668
How's the weather in Tel Aviv?

>>2786985

How is the weather in Biloxi?

How can I make it to an actual luxury level? 25 make 600k TC but want to get to 7fig HHI since wife doesn't work and I want her to focus full time on kids, also need to break out of middle class mindset, I spend like 8k a month which is "luxury" where I live but still feel like I'm not making enough considering my neighbor lives in a mega mansion and is a famous actor
Also feel like there isn't much room for growth besides me getting to the point where I can reliably sell 0days, which is partly luck and skill. I'm too autistic for business and just stack crypto for now
But I want to actually go out and do nice things, ironically I am content being autistic and staring at my screen but feel like I need to treat my wife better since she grew up poor and expose her to the finer things

>>2787194
>How can I make it to an actual luxury level?
what's actual luxury level for you?

there's a big difference between traveling 30days/y, getting a room at the best hotels you can find
and traveling around 365days/y in a PJ with your dozen of employees, renting out the biggest suites

>25 make 600k TC
>spend like 8k a month
even if you pay 50% taxes / social
that's ~17k/month into the stock market
after 8years you should have ~2,2mio, which would be enough for 300k/y spend (your current net income) coastFIRE

really depends on what you want

also you should be perfectly able to afford ultra lux vacations already (occasionally)

God the British south lounge in LHR terminal 5 is an absolute zoo these days

>>2786029
Lounges in North America are universally trash. Honestly the best basic bitch lounges I did were in Barcelona and, surprisingly, Dublin. Food wasn't as good in the latter but I could make my own Irish coffees with some porridge and that shit is bomb after an 8 hour flight waiting for a connection.

>>2786725
It's one of my favorites too. I also love the Miramonti near Meran in Italy for spring and fall and my other top pick is Ashford Castle in Ireland to relaxe in late summer.

>>2787539
Next time you’re in Ireland try Adare Manor. It’s a big step up from Ashford.

>>2787544
That look promising, will give it a try. Maryville Airfield is the next airport right?

>>2787197
I'm mostly just mentally ill and think it's never enough
I also still feel like a poorfag due to my parents being mentally ill, I only felt like I could go out to a restaurant when I made 200k
I need at least 1mil/yr and 8fig nw to be able to spend like these guys probably
Or my mind is just fried
Either way I don't have time because I feel like my skills at my job aren't good enough despite me being probably top 100 in the world
Tldr I hate feeling broke and stupid yet that's how I feel 90% of the time so I spend my time trying to escape via working which is pointless
Plus I throw all my extra cash into crypto since it's the only hope I have of making it
Need to find more bugs

>>2787670
>Plus I throw all my extra cash into crypto since it's the only hope I have of making it
kek
you're making 600k/y and that's the only way you can think of?
you're already in the top 1% of HHI, just save 50% for 10y in an S&P ETF and after another 20y you're into 8fig NW

>>2785424 (OP)
Rich fag reporting in.

>>2785454
> the people serving you hate you
> other richfags you meet are evil subhuman scum
> The simping, kowtowing, servile behavior is stomach turning
Mate, wtf are you even doing? Why are you talking to the servers?
> Can i have some more water bottles in my room please. Thank you.
That's it.

I pay for that shit to stay tf away from people. I pretty much stay in my suite (not room!) all day and go out at night to drink and coom. I sure as fuck am not having conversations with anyone else in the hotel, unless its a bitch at the bar or by the pool.

>>2785980
i dont understand travelling with a sugar baby or an escort. what do you do when you fuck them and the post nut clarity hits?

>>2787710
>what do you do when you fuck them and the post nut clarity hits?
fuck them again?
what's the problem?

sugar babes are a bit different, because the relationship is more "equal"
but with escorts, it's still a beautiful women that's only there (paid) to make your vacation better

>>2787224
Try the Qantas club and domestic lounges here in Aus on a Thursday afternoon

>>2787670
ok faggot

>>2787701
Mate, package it however you want but sugar babies are escorts.

I like to keep my everyday life separate from my degenerate activities like cooming and gambling. It's not something that a reputable and honorable person does, and I know it. So once i bust a nut with a bitch i paid for, I'm done with it and need to sleep off the shame.

>>2787716
>>2787224
Qatar's Doha silver one is a feeding trough at peak times. Must be one of the worst but the credit card ones are probably even worse

Their Heathrow one has been great when I've been though

>>2787701
>please. Thank you.
Peasant, servile, formalities.
>to drink and coom
Peon mentality of desires.
>at the bar or by the pool.
Communal area, not a private beach or chef.

BROKIE SHIT.

>>2787686
>just put everything in the slop market bro 20 years from now you'll definitely make it
Yeah not like in 20 years 8 figs will be 7 figs lmfao
Coast fire is a meme

>>2787717
Seethe

>>2787907
>a safe 4-6x, after inflation will bring me to 8 figure nw and generational wealth?
>no I want to gamble with shitcoins
you are giga retarded
I hope you lose everything

>>2787910
Stay mad faggot anyone who tells someone in their 20s to put everything in an index fund instead of taking asymmetric bets is mentally disabled
Risk avoidance only makes sense when you have things to lose which you obviously don't if you are poor

>>2787716
First Class (non the garbage domestic F) exclusivity needs to become more of a thing again. It's devolved across many airlines who have removed F seats and benefits from their planes entirely while investing more into J. Airlines need to re-invest into F lounges that are more restrictive. It's ridiculous the amount of times you enter the F class portion of the lounge at HKG/SYD and you get a bunch of bum OWE shit flying economy taking up space in there. I don't get why they're not just limited to the business class lounges.

>>2787913
shiddfard coin is going to 0
do a flip and post a video

>>2787917
Your understanding of cryptocurrency is laughably pathetic

>>2787917
You first faggot

I want to tell myself half of these posters are LARPing, but I do believe some of it.
I've been traveling extensively 10+ years on a budget and I enjoy the RealTraveler™ experience much more than my loaded family members seem to.
This board has been my favorite for a long time and I've received a lot of great advice from it. Posters seem very authentic.
I'm 29, debt free, $160k TC, $250k net worth, living in a low COL country spending about $2k/mo and saving/investing the rest. You're all making me feel like a chump. What can I do better?

>$90 escort Pattaya, $15 resort hotel.
She was great bros. I kept cumming and she kept begging me for more. I said I'm gonna gave a heart attack if I don't sleep then she jumped on top and started again. I moved to the other side of the bed so I could sleep and she moaned softly the whole night. Crazy experience. It's great having money

>>2787992
>I want to tell myself half of these posters are LARPing, but I do believe some of it.
oldfags
if you've been here since the '00s or early '10s
you probably either ended up on /r9k/ or as staff / principle engineer in some tech company / startup
and if you don't have other hobbies other than /fit/, /lit/ and /trv/ and no friends and family you quickly save to a pretty big NW

>What can I do better?
what's there to do better?
increase your comp
maybe take a risk and go to an early startup where you get equity or start one yourself
or stay there and get more PTO instead of raise (not sure if that is a thing in the US)
but you're doing fine

>and I enjoy the RealTraveler™ experience much more than my loaded family members seem to
that's because you actually enjoy traveling and not just the thought / status of it
statistically your travels won't be more enjoyable if you spend more

there are advantages for certain luxury experiences, some lux hotels, flying business / private
but you mostly pay for fluff, time savings, less "stress" and people organizing stuff for you
and at your income you can already selectively afford all the relevant stuff

>>2785424 (OP)
ok so I'm not sooper doper rich, but im also not poor so I can afford to splurge on my big trips 1-2 times a year. that being said, I do look for value and the 'good deal', unlike some of the larpers here. My thoughts on this topic...

> first > business >>> economy
IMO first class isn't worth it over business, especially those "Suites" and "Residence" first class that seem like a complete gimmick targeting niggas and the nouveau rich, although I've never been.

> all-inclusive packages
Nah. Unless you're on a group tour of an island or safari where there are no other options. There was only the 1 time I remember even getting breakfast included with the room and that was at the Marina Bay Sands because their breakfast buffet is fkn grand. I remember getting a young Indian whore from the bar at grand hyatt the night before who let me penetrate and blast in to her raw. for some reason she stayed over and I remember waking my self to go down and get a breakfast feed. When I went back up...she was gone! Luckily all my stuff was still there. Rookie move.

> places that are worth it
Mandarin Oriental Singapore - i dont remember what room I booked but it was such a nice comfy room that I didn't even leave.
4 seasons Mumbai - got the suite, baller room and baller hotel with a baller rooftop bar. rich Indians are a bunch of try hards
St Regis Hong Kong - the hotel was nice but nothing really stands out. I guess I like it because I like HK. Some of the nicest high end restaurants in the world

> places that aren't worth it
Lebua at Bangkok - this is that hangover hotel. absolute garbage. run down, shit design, proper garbage
Swissotel Singapore - this is that tall round building. same Lebua...just shit.

I've got more to add when I get time. also who's been to an Aman resort? Share your experience please, I would like to go experience one...

>>2788009
>first class isn't worth it over business
the only occasion I ever fly it, if they have good couple suites
but even then, i agree it's gimmicky, wife would disagree though kek

>also who's been to an Aman resort? Share your experience please, I would like to go experience one...
depends a lot on the property
ranges from absolutely perfect best vacation ever to just meh (though never bad, just not exceptional)

you seem to based in asia (or just travel there a lot?)
if you want a low key entry, start with their China properties
I think Aman Summer Palace in Beijing is their cheapest one and Amanyangyun probably one of their best (and also not as outrageously expensive as something like amangiri)

i did their "journey across china" (did all 4 chinese amans) a few years ago after staying in one of their european properties
and that's what hooked me

other really good ones are Amanoi or Amanwana

>>2788016
I'm an Ausfag and i mostly go asia because its close by. I'm not keen on spending 14 hours on a plane to dubai or anywhere else, business class or not. Although i might go to Joburg soon if I can secure this first class seat. I've been to EU and South America but only as a backpacker.

I might do big china trip (4 weeks) at the end of the year. I'll check out those Aman places that you've said but at the same time, I'm mostly travelling by myself, so I'm scared that it will be awkward. That's why i like travelling in big cities. Since there's stuff to do outside the hotel, and you're not cooped up in a resort with nowhere to go.

>>2788009
Also wondering what you get with these places that you can't get in just a good 5 star hotel.

There isn't a current Aman anywhere I've been but they're building one somewhere I have been. What's going to be different to the local banyan tree that's worth paying twice as much? Double the workers exerting themselves for menial things?

>>2788032
You think there's any other hotel within the vicinity of that pic? Most of the Aman places seem like they're in a secluded, hard to reach spot, within a natural wonder.

>>2788035
Yes and no. They have the valley and I don't think another hotel could provide a better location in that area. Which means they need to win on service and other things

I am genuinely curious what the value for the extra money is going to be

>>2785454
>>2785497
Both of these posters work at Walmart and have never left Iowa.

>>2788031
>I'll check out those Aman places that you've said but at the same time, I'm mostly travelling by myself, so I'm scared that it will be awkward
yeah that's gonna be a problem in almost all aman properties (excluding the city ones)
they're usually far off from anything and really designed for couples
and it feels private, but that also mean less social areas

personally I'd not do amans alone
if you go out a lot anyway, just stay in boutique hotels (like any from SLH)
typically more unique properties anyway

>>2788032
>What's going to be different to the local banyan tree that's worth paying twice as much?
the first mistake is to compare basic rooms, Aman's basic category usually is more akin to a Suite (highly depending on the property though)

their properties are typically way nicer than your average banyan tree as well
fewer rooms, nicer location, better design / architecture (though aman minimalism, not everyone likes it), exceptional service

and yes
>Double the workers
the only chain that I know of that has a consistently higher staff to guest ration (~6:1 for aman) is Singita
so personalized attention you won't get anywhere else
and their staff is trained very well everywhere (lots of other chains like FS struggle with this)

you pay a bit for name, sure
but most of it is legitimately for one of, if not, the best hotel experience anywhere they are

>>2785454
>the people serving you hate you
>The simping, kowtowing, servile behavior is stomach turning

I recently stayed at a five-star hotel and this was so odd to me. It was obvious that the more servile people hated me - the servility was masking an aggression, almost like they were daring me to say something about how much they were putting it on. And all the while I'm thinking "why is THIS the luxury experience? Why is my expensive, apparently high-end experience colored by these people?"

I ended up having to manicure my stay at the hotel to avoid talking to these people because everyone was insufferable. For top-dollar, take my bags or give me my food quickly then leave me the fuck alone. Instead I have to sit through an exhausting performance for even the slightest thing. You'd think people would complain.

>>2789585
this is either a larp, a very bad hotel or you're just turbo autistic

i never stayed a (true) 5* and feeling that the staff hated me
you pay their (usually good) salaries after all

and most hotels at this level try to make the service so seamless you don't even notice (aman properties typically do this really well
and few hotels do showy over the top service nowadays as it's not wanted

>Instead I have to sit through an exhausting performance for even the slightest thing
what the fuck did you do??

the longest they typically bother you is for check-in, then showing the amenities and your room
but you can literally just say "bring me my room" and it's cut short

>>2789594
I think a large part of it was that there were a couple of really bad staff, that had really aggressive personalities. When I checked out, the guy at the front door who did my bags didn't make a big deal out of it and everything went smoothly.

But the issue remains: you shouldn't be subject to these people. If some local asshole somehow has a service job and he makes people feel uncomfortable, you shouldn't have to deal with it at all. That layer of protection should be built into the experience. Don't make hotel services have to go through staff who may or may not feel like ruining your experience because they resent their station in life.

>>2789598
>That layer of protection should be built into the experience
it is!
typically luxury hotels have rigorous selection process and training
for one because they can afford it and also because guests expect a high standard / perfection (why would I drop 1k+/night otherwise?)

your whole situation just sound like you got really unlucky with a shitty hotel

>>2785424 (OP)
writers fishing for white lotus ideas on the 'chan