i have this opportunity to live and study in australia, Sydney, and Tasmania are the choices, i have never been.

asking if any of you seasoned travelers have any good things to say about this place.

If you like cities choose Sydney, if you like nature choose Tasmania (Hobart im guessing?) what are you into OP? Queenslander here. Personally I don't like Sydney

>>2787396
i traveled all around the USA, im a Montanan/Texan, but love Big cities, lived in NYC and LA,
but im interested in taking more flying hours, im going to build it up on the side, whats better for flying? like weather wise.

Love tassie. Get the ferry to MONA, best gallery in the country. Port Arthur is one of the only places that has given me really bad vibes, as in creepy, make sure you go. Nature wise check out the walls of Jerusalem, remote and very beautiful.

Sydney is much bigger and you'll find a lot more to do overall
BUT
Sydney is really fucking expensive and realistically you'll probably end up in a shitty part which will still be expensive, just not as expensive.
Tasmania has incredible nature and if you are interested in that kind of thing you won't get bored of it.
The only other point would be the weather - Tasmania is much further south so much cooler, whereas Sydney is subtropical and has mild-humid summers with heavy storms.
Tasmania, being an island, is much more isolated than Sydney which is a major city centre (Sydney and Melbourne are the only truly big cities in Australia).
>>2787405
By flying hours do you mean you're a pilot? NSW has heavier storms in summer and more likely to experience take off/landing turbulence due to the heat. Tasmania is cold but rarely snows below a certain altitude.

>>2787405
>taking more flying hours, im going to build it up on the side, whats better for flying?
You have PPL or CPL?
Go to WA if commercial and want to rack them up for an airline gig, jobs will throw themselves at you flying out of Perth and back daily, FIFO mining is a gigantic business.
NSW has way better conditions and places to go if it's just for private stuff on your own dime.

Brisbane
>Brisbane used to be laid back, but now it feels like a rat race with all the aggression of sydney
>Brisbane without a car you're confined to the central business district or Fortitude Valley, neither of which are great walkable areas. You can get to Southbank too but you have to take a bus over the Victoria Bridge to QPAC which is a nightmare
>Fortitude Valley is a no go zone, the gay nightclub district of Brisbane, where all strippers whinging about guys not tipping them and homeless people everywhere always begging and trying to start fights
>Fortitude Valley station where people are just sleeping on the sidewalk, pissing and shitting, drinking, shooting up drugs
>Homeless everywhere, loudspeaks with automated voice tell cunts not to ride bikes or vape in the mall
>Strippers everywhere
>New tents cities are popping up across the Brisbane CBD
>No jobs
>lot of meth heads around George st, especially near the corner for turbot and George near the old hotel
>driving has become complete shit in brisbane, parks and sidewalks have so much litter now aswell
>Surfer's Paradise is Homeless Paradise
>mass immigration hub that the CBD has become
>Sydney and Melbourne are more expensive. All our jobs are there. Brisbane and Perth are just country towns in comparison
>Toowoomba units are more expensive than ones near brissy and goldie
>St Pauls Cathedral lets homeless people sleep on their grounds from 6pm to 6am
>The top of queen street seems to be a magnet for drug effected people screaming at each other
>terrible traffic, floods most of the time , pretty boring suburbs. M1 to get away is choked on most peak hours
>Paddington, Ann Street in the CBD, Fortitude Valley, Teneriffe, Hamilton, Clayfield, Kalinga, North Lakes, and Redcliffe are completely fucked

>>2787393 (OP)
Sydney is really beautiful. It has a lot of character. Tasmania is a good place to do hiking. If money wasn't an option I would live in Sydney and visit Tasmania.

I don't think I would live in Tasmania. There's a wildness to the lesser elements of the Australian populace and it pays to avoid them. The key thing is to not live around them. Their govvie housing is like their kingdom, and they will target you if you're unlucky enough to live near them. Just in general, I don't think other cultures have an appreciation for the ferocity of the Australian underclass. And there's a lot of that sort of thing in Tassie.

>>2787393 (OP)
Get vaxxmaxxed
Become gay
Love being in a truman show society of fakeness
Enjoy high prices
Love high taxes
Everything outside wants to kill you
Shitty food
Bad beer
Bogan

>>2789837
cringe

>>2789584
>Strippers everywhere
Unironically some of the best strip clubs in the country, no idea how that happened and why you a whinging like a bitch about them

>>2787393 (OP)
>Sydney, and Tasmania are the choices
HAHAHAHAHA

>>2789584
I want to go here just to recreate the magic of the Chats song about this wonderful metropolis

Sydney used to be nice back in 2013-ish. Over the years it's become...garbage. There are still some nice areas, but you're mostly surrounded by:
- retard bogans (honestly, even Australians living in Vaucluse have bogan/provincial attitudes)
- curry third-worlders
- arabs and various meds drag-racing, even all the way in the eastern suburbs
- high-prices
- little in terms of culture or things to do
- overrated coffee scene
- women are obnoxious

Is Australia really that bad, or is this thread just blubbering retard misanthrope r9k /pol/acks complaining because they see brown people and women won't have sex with them? Because that's basically all I see. You could say 90% of this shit about literally any major city lol

>>2791436
Go visit and find out, then. I've lived/worked in a lot of places around the world and have been exposed to quite a lot. I really don't have many complaints for other countries. Australia is a unique type of garbage. Maybe you're the type of garbage that will be attracted to it.

>>2791452
>I've lived/worked in a lot of places around the world and have been exposed to quite a lot.
Sorry but your sex tourism trips to Thailand don't qualify you to say that you're cultured kek

>>2791470
You sure got me, "mate".

>>2791436
Australia is a third world shithole

>>2791452
Where should an Australian go to experience non-garbage?

I'm from Sydney, it's a great place to study and meet people. All things considered it's an amazing place. It is expensive though. As an American you'll fit right in. If you have the money, live in the Eastern Suburbs. Plenty of shit-skins here in the west and north now but in the nice places you really can't go wrong. In any direction out of Sydney there's great wilderness and interesting places to visit. Hobart and Tasmania is extremely beautiful, interesting and quiet. If you have friends there it would be wonderful.

Honestly all of Australia is great. If you're super woke and trendy Melbourne is fun but the weather is a bit meh, Brisbane is nice and warm and close to a lot of great spots, Adelaide has it's charm but very quiet and not much going on unless you love, country, desert and outback travel, but I still love it there. Darwin is wild and interesting, Perth I can't say because I haven't been there.

Sydney
>avoid newtown, redfern, surry hills, campbelltown, blacktown, bankstown, king's cross, cabramatta, punchbowl, lakemba, penrith, liverpool
>CBD means "Chinese Business District"
>Lives and breathes construction and trades
>Newcastle and Wollongong are actually more fucked than Sydney right now
>Aussies living in share houses until they’re 40
>You need to earn 130k (top 10% salary) to comfortably (30% of net income) an average apartment now in Sydney
>Debt increases on their HECS loans due to indexation as well, so every year they don't pay it back it just goes UP AND UP
>Every time I go out I hear foreign accents everywhere
>Sydney's not as good as Melbourne, it's more dense and less pleasant
>If you don't own a house in Australia you are basically stuffed
>Homeless everywhere because they don't have the references or aren't considered good enough to get the housing available for rent or sharing.
>Indians lower our wages because they're willing to work for min wage and free overtime
>Very little is made here any more. All I can call to mind straight away is Bundaberg drinks
>A car is crazy expensive to insure, maintain and register, that's minimum 5k a year for repairs, maintenance and fuel.
>Going to uni is pointless if you're doing it to make money. Everyone does a trade.
>Constantly told that we need China and India for the economy
>Every race self segregates into their own suburbs and communities and there’s a general hatred for people who aren’t in your race
>Public signs in Sydney and Melbourne CBD are written in both English and Chinese, as well as Public Announcements in major transport hubs like Airports

Personally, I think the reasons to come to Australia:
a) You are a very sociable person and you like socialising for the sake of socialising, even though most people are fundamentally very boring, the majority are friendly and happy to socialise (but this is reducing)
b) You are a hiking nut and you want to go hiking around the Australian bush (countryside), even though there are probably equally as nice hiking spots where you are from.
c) You are from some third world country and you want access to a first world income and quasi-first world lifestyle and for some reason Canada or the USA didn't work out for you.
d) There might be some miscellaneous reasons like surfing or working in mining or something but that's all very niche.
e) You are rich and you travel all the time and you're bored of your normal destinations.

>>2787393 (OP)
Just don't be a faggot and try doing that stupid Pine Gap thing its not worth it at all if you lose your 1000$ smartphone its gone for good.

>Aus and NZ were discovered by the Dutch. Australia was called New Holland before the UK claimed it
>1788 - After losing the American colonies, the British set up the first penal colony.
>Starts as a British outpost in one of the most inhospitable environments on earth
>Sydney, the first British settlement, was named after Thomas Townshend, 1st Viscount Sydney, he was responsible for devising a plan to settle convicts at Botany Bay in Australia
>Melbourne was named after Lord Melbourne, the Prime Minister of Great Britain at the time
>Brisbane streets are named after British royal
>New Holland, was the original English name for Australia and comprised the western otherwise "unoccupied" portion of the continent
>Captain James Cook called NSW the "New Wales", but later refined it to "New South Wales". The "South" was added to distinguish it from Wales in the British Isle
>White Australia Policy. Mainland Europeans, even one's Americans would consider "White" at the time like Germans, Swedes, and French, were often rejected. Let alone the Mediterranean cultures like the Greeks or Italians
>The discovery of gold in Victoria in 1851 led to the Victorian gold rush, Melbourne was the richest city due to the Gold Rush
>1810 - Former convicts were granted land and even holding positions in the colonial government
>1850 - Gold rush brings the first big wave of European and Chinese immigration to Victoria
>1901 - Federation, most of the colonies become states and the Commonwealth of Australia is formed. New Zealand rejects joining the federation during negotiations
>1916 - Gallipoli, the ANZAC 'legend' is born
>1920 - Billy Hughes, born in London to Welsh parents, used Anti-Irish sentiments in Australia to win votes
>1941 - John Curtin "Without any inhibitions of any kind, I make it quite clear that Australia looks to America, free of any pangs as to our traditional links or kinship with the United Kingdom."

>>2794291
>John Curtin said "This country shall remain forever the home of the descendants of those people who came here in peace in order to establish in the South Seas an outpost of the British race."
>British used to look down on Australia as colonial rubbish for them to use and throw away when it was convenient. The reason we became Americanized was because Churchill hated Australia and was willing to let us be overrun by the Japanese
>Culturally, John Curtin was the moment everything changed. There's a reason the old TV shows in Australia are British, and the new ones are American. There's a reason American troops participate in massive training operations every year in Australia.
>Holden, while still an Australian brand, was ultimately controlled by the United States
>Due to isolation and small internal market there is no much manufacturing in Austrlia
>Australia was built mostly by blue collar tradespeople, so tradies get the ladies and paid the most
>Most people work at Woolworths or Coles
>1971 - McDonalds opens in Australia
>1973 - Whitlam renounced the White Australia policy. In its place it established a policy of multiculturalism in a nation that is now home to migrants from nearly 200 different countries
>John Howard opened the flood gates to "international students", "foreign investors" and propped the "skills shortage"
>Kevin Rudd withdrew Australia from Iraq and tried to tax (mostly foreign owned) mining companies
>Anthony Albanese referred to Narendra Modi as "the boss"
>Albanese signed a migration "deal" that makes it easier for Indians to immigrate to Australia and for Australians to immigrate to India

>>2794292
>Only the food is Australian made, the rest is repackaging, assembly and tax/funds transfer tweaking.
>Australia largely exports its beef to Asia a lot goes to Indonesia and China we also export to the US despite being a beef exporter beef prices in Australia are expensive it's cheaper to buy the beef we export overseas than buying it domestically
>USA imposed 10 per cent baseline tariff on Australia was the most bizarre move in our entire 100+ year relationship
>AUKUS is a disaster for Australia. We are idiotically gifting them money to upgrade their production facilities for THEIR navy - not the AUKUS boats
>Sydney and Melbourne and effectively economic zones
>Study finds white British people will become minority in Australia
>Labor is on the China and India payroll like everyone else in Canberra these days
>The shared identity (Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander history and the Anglo Saxon settler history) will be wiped out and replaced by Albanese’s immigrant voters that don’t care about Australia’s culture, history or future wellbeing