Does someone have experience living in mainland China as a westerner?

How much money I should expect to spend each month? As a mid level software engineer, is it easy to get a local job? How far do I get with 6 months of language learning? Is it easy to make local friends or date local girls?

I'm also considering Japan if someone has experience how it compares to China.

>>2793556 (OP)
>As a mid level software engineer, is it easy to get a local job?
lmao, go to Japan anon

>>2793556 (OP)
The CCP can and will harvest your organs, OP. Avoid.

Feds shitposting on every China thread makes anything about China useless. Do what they want and become a gay prostitute in Tel Aviv.

>Feds shitposting on every China threa...*ACK*!

>>2793565
Nah this >>2793558 is me, and I mock all the hysterical screeching "China bad" idiots in all the generals constantly but OP is better off developing a heroin addiction rather than wanting to work for a Chinese company direct.
The only real route here is getting a MNC job in the west, then getting posted to Shanghai. You'll be treated like a human being and paid well for it.
The whole Chinaboss meme is real.

I will not tolerate china propoganda on /trv/

>>2793572
How I can increase my odds of getting transfer to China because it feels like a lottery game if I just join a random MNC and hope for a transfer at some point.

>>2793556 (OP)
>Does someone have experience living in
>As a mid level software engineer
mainland China as a westerner?
yeah I worked in Chengdu as well an Shenzhen as European
also as software engineer

but didn't go in as mid level SDE
sold my startup to a chinese company, had a 18month contract afterwards in Shenzhen
then switched to a company in Chengdu

>How much money I should expect to spend each month?
you can get by with 5k/month, but you're gonna be miserable
if you avoid the major T1's you you get a nice apartment for ~5k/month though
food is somewhat cheap, takeout only on dev salaries

traveling is relatively cheap outside the big holidays
most 5* hotels rarely are above 1k/night and business class in trains is awesome

so I'd say about ~30k/month upwards to be /comfy/

>As a mid level software engineer, is it easy to get a local job?
frankly no
unless you have some VERY convincing credentials
like big name University degree, cited research or known companies on your CV
easiest is to get in through a western branch

>How far do I get with 6 months of language learning?
holy KEK
even if you learn 8h/day you'll barely get fluent in basic conversations
something like 2-3y intensive daily learning to be able to reasonably navigate China (well that's what I took)

>Is it easy to make local friends or date local girls?
depends
dating in China is very materialistic / opportunistic for the most part, a house and car is often expected
if you just want to hookup, that's easy as a /fit/ white guy though

>be me
>read internet strangers posts about being westerner and wanting to go to asia
>chinese american with high hsk proficiency

>>2793556 (OP)
China use to employ many foreign software engineers but they have trained many of their own software engineers now so this almost never happened anymore. Shame as it used to be a great gig.

>>2793737
what year? are you a millennitard

i'm a brainrot zoomer and i honestly wish i could've been some millennial in china during that era

like having mastered the language and teaching english on pennies to ride out 2008 or whatever the fuck

but again that probably would've only worked if i was white

and as a cs major we're having our own little 2008 moment nowadays, but that's hardly relevant

first time i went to china ever was when i was 7 and i still have excellent memories of the place, like shit wasn't super cracked down like today. like today everyone says china is literally a techno police state that allows women to walk outside at 3 am while also censoring all avenues of dissent, but when i was a young sperg they didn't even fucking enforce seatbelt laws, and my mom had to fucking warn me to always stay with nai nai or else i could get sold to kidnappers and forced to beg

you know, like in SEA today

SEA is the new "china" (and increasingly less "new" these days)

central asia's probably the new "SEA" atp but now we're getting off topic

>>2793740
Yeah you're watching a lot of propaganda. In general the government doesn't care what you do until it's a street protest. I've political discussions with taxi drivers where they shit talk the government. It's all about walking a fine line.

China also really did have a child kidnapping problem over 15 years ago. It's long gone now. Oddly enough Korea had the same problem 20 or so years ago. The country is extremely safe now. Slums/ghettos don't even exist.

I'm a 1991 Millenial.

>>2793814
ik (read: am a fanboy of) someone (sorta semi famous) who was a national of one of the big 5 anglotard countries but spent most of his life in some inland tier 2 city in china

and yes, including his childhood, he went to some posh international english school

anyways he stuck around china and shit while doing some art stuff... but eventually he became hardcore antichina in like 2019 when some cops tied him to a chair for what ended up being an entire day, to try to get a false confession out of him (his country being the problem), and when he demanded a lawyer they assaulted him

thankfully he made it out in one piece, but he gtfo'd of china asap and never looked back henceforth

fortunately this wasn't anyone i personally knew

I got a job offer (teacher at international school) in Yunnan. At first I was all for it but I have to sign the contract soon and I'm getting cold feet. The pay is amazing but I worry about anti-American sentiment, generally being isolated, ability to navigate Chinese systems, etc. I also have a job lined up in Taiwan but it pays much less. Any suggestions from anons who have been to either? I also posted about this elsewhere so apologies for repost.

>>2793873
>Taiwan
Felt like New York city, a lot of homeless people sleeping on cardboard, went to a night club and it was half filled with Westerners. Smelled familiar, not like Asia.

Go to China.
>I worry about anti-American sentiment
Wierd reservation to have.

>>2793874
>Smelled familiar, not like Asia.
I suppose I should mention that I would not be in Taipei. I would probably be in Kaohsiung or Tainan. I have been told there are no foreigners there.
>Wierd reservation to have.
Well, I am American. I'm not some extremely nationalistic person, but I have been told that Chinese people are. Might be an issue as tensions get worse between America and China. I also wouldn't be in an "international city", I would be in a tier 2 city with very few foreigners. That may be a good thing, may be a bad thing. IDK.

>>2793877
>I would be in a tier 2 city with very few foreigners.
My mouth is watering from the thought. Learning Ching-Chong, eating soup for breakfast, waipu hunting.

I havnt been to China but all over Asia, its my final frontier. Im thinking of entering on the eastern border where they have signs in some kind of Arabic/Persian script. Halal-chu.

>>2793881
>I haven't been to China
>Shilling for OP to go to china
kill yourself

>>2793882
Fuck Japan, its a regressive culture trapped in the glory days of the 1980s. Taiwan was globohomo'd the fuck out.

>Thread about going to China or ____
>suggest China
>shilling
Why are you on /trv/?

>Taiwan was globohomoed the fuck out
Yeah man, imagine having an open internet, free speech, and international payment systems. Absolutely disgusting.

>>2793873
>>2793877
>be my aunt + uncle
>born in mainland china
>worked ass off and ended up in usa
>become christpilled, start going to one of those chinese churches
>meet / befriend / have chinese potlucks with lotsa taiwanese immigrants
>forget whether this was before / after they naturalized, but sometime in the 2010s, visit taiwan for the kicks
>step out of taipei
>sun moon lake boring af
>people in southern cities legit racist against mainlanders
>gtfo and urge my parents + me not to visit taiwan

so yeah if you love chinese culture but hate china this place might just be right up your alley. go while you still can lol.

>>2793882
and yeah taiwan did globohomo the fuck out, though they're still kinda on the "conservative" side like japan or s korea.

we chinks are just genetically predisposed to resist wokeness / globohomoness ig. idk, probably same mechanism as their resistance to lactose. some obv "experiments" going on in taiwan and south korea but honestly not expecting those to last super long

>>2793881
> Im thinking of entering on the eastern border where they have signs in some kind of Arabic/Persian script. Halal-chu.

fucking retard anon that's the NORTHWEST.

(also that's literally xinjiang in case you have reservations against that)

good luck finding your way across china. seems like you'll need it

>>2793892
>NORTHWEST
West~Southwest. I was viewing it from Tajikistan area.
>good luck finding your way across china.
Lol, shut up you no-travel kid, I dont care where you have been...you havnt seen shit compared to me.

>>2793892
>so yeah if you love chinese culture but hate china this place might just be right up your alley
I don't hate China, I am neutral to the place because I have never been. My worry is more about how I will be treated longterm living in China as a visibly recognizable foreigner/American in a city that has very few foreigners. When I speak to Chinese people online, they seem like robots. I don't think it's a language issue because Taiwanese people are a lot more friendly. I worry about moving to a country and being unable to make any sort of friendship or connect with the locals and culture.

>>2793897
>make any sort of friendship
Get married and inseminate.
>or connect with the locals and culture.
Excessively haggle with old people at the market but never buy shit.

>>2793896
well fuck this changes everything looks like I'M the retard here

how's tajikistan? doesn't it feel like iran/persia without the islamist theocracy?

girl wise from my limited neet anon experience i feel like tajiks > weeghurs coz they're indo european

>>2793897
then taiwan would be great for that, even with what i said above they're still the biggest western buttlickers in east asia

they're much less "robotic" than prc onions numbnuts too, for reasons you can probably figure out on your own

>>2793903
is haggling at markets still a thing in china as of currentyear? always considered it an outdated sort of trope you'd read about in a 2009 lonely planet guidebook. like come on man china's a developed country they've got alibaba and taobao and digital passports and cyberpunk surveillance and shit

>>2793912
>they're much less "robotic" than prc
Yeah...the more I think about this is that this is something he will have to consider for waifu. Im used to being around robotic Asians but it doesnt sound like he is. Im more of a Korean guy myself.
>haggling
https://youtu.be/qLPMpnhwOLE

>>2793897
>friendship
Make "special friendship" and "wrestle" squeally thing?

@2793914
you mean you're more into korean guys, right tardy?

Not OP
How easily could I find a job over there if need be?
>Quarry machine support engineer (I write out literature for repairs/field work, draw up schematics, do technical support for some issues, setup sourcing for fabricated components, quotations of repair work and parts, and help setup logistics of shipping items across countries for a machine like getting new cast fabrications for wear parts to be made in Italy and sold to distributor or end user in CONUS
>USGS certifications and trained for mineralogy to identify quarry sites in North America
>Have knowledge of the transit system and already know at least 32 different companies that supply various components and parts to the company I work for in some manner
>5 years of industry experience in current position
>Fluent in English and Spanish, some French
I'm making the equivalent of 40k RMB per month but I'm apparently capped out in my current position and there is a hiring freeze at my company. Don't know if to stick it out for a year or go "soul searching" for something in the same industry more or less but new scenery
I would hate to part with my small firearms collection though

>>2793935
if you don't have chinese you'll get nothing

>>2793892
>they're still kinda on the "conservative" side like japan or s korea.

Countries with tfr of 0.6 and women dressing in miniskirts aren't conservative, you retard.

Japanese women can freely commit adultery without punishment. You think having misogynistic men means they are conservative.

>>2793873
Yunnan is near Myanmar, where Chinese gangsters are kidnapping and torturing people to work as scammers in large compounds.

They're kidnapping non-Chinese as well like South Asians, SEAsians and even Eastern Europeans.

American | Worried about accessing bank/account verifications from the USA
Would this work?
>Get the cheapest phone # I can (Mint mobile?)
>Pay 1 month, activate a google voice line
>Don't pay for phone #, keep it inactive
>Just use google voice for all that stuff
>When I need to re-up, just pay for one month to get another google voice line
is that the simplest way?