Is china actually good for travelling or is it just china spreading propaganda again?

>>2794360 (OP)
Its good for traveling if you follow the tourist spots, besides that you'll get like pic related once you stray off the main cities.

>>2794360 (OP)
>Is china actually good for travelling
yes

just go through the UNESCO heritage (+tentative) list for China
or their own AAAAA attraction list
similar to the USA, China has most of the biomes and great nature
similar to Europe you find hundreds / thousand year old history at every corner

Cities are hit or miss though
some huge cities with literally nothing to do
some incredible small towns

but they don't make it easy
without WeChat (Pay), AliPay and a domestic telephone number you'll be completely lost
and Visa options are shit, even with the the random 30days for some countries

also hiking is absolutely shit (exception like Tiger lead gorge hike exist)
i hate those "stair" hikes they have everywhere

>or is it just china spreading propaganda again?
really?
they don't make it very easy to visit
and don't advertise much
also big parts of China are really Xenophobic, as white European you're somewhat spared though

popular Chinese attractions are incredible packed with domestic tourists
and traveling during Chinese holidays is... literally the worst life experience

One of the best places if you know where to go

>>2794360 (OP)
Nope, it sucks. Especially if you can't speak Chinese. You have to jump through a million hoops to do simple tasks and it's still a shithole. Japan or Taiwan are way better options

>>2794360 (OP)
It's amazing but it's one of the few places I recommend getting a guide due to the language gap.

Yes, but it's one of the more difficult countries to visit because China doesn't give a fuck about outsiders and tourists. Both a perk and a con at the same time.

>>2794372
China has been shilling HARRRRD on social media like Bald, Ben, ishowspeed, many many more.

>>2795164
It's like Dubai and how they pay influencers to come and say "Dubai good!"
>>2795134
>china doesn't give a fuck about tourists
They sure put in a lot of effort trying to shill it on social media to foreigners, along with easing visa restrictions over the past year or two. China desperately wants tourists, but they also don't want tourists exposing it for the shithile potemkin village it really is

>>2794372
>and Visa options are shit, even with the the random 30days for some countries
It's pretty much every non-utter-shithole that isn't Anglos or one of the bizzare EU exceptions. They don't give a shit about reentry either and just stamp you a new one.
Praying they'll prolong it past 2025 because it's a massive QoL change.

>>2795231
>People go the the world's second most populated nation and the world's top economy
>This is clearly all propaganda
Or it's just normies visiting and band wagoning as part of a trend.

>>2795338
>normies
>visiting china
India is the most populated country and the 4th largest economy, and nobody is going to that shithole either

>>2795344
You got a chip on your shoulder with China. I don't really care. Stay in your globohomo western toilets with no culture, no history and no identity except Israel worship.

>>2795346
>You got a chip on your shoulder
>Stay in your globohomo western toilets with no culture, no history and no identity except Israel worship.
Ironic

>>2794360 (OP)
Yes it's great

HOWEVER

You need to avoid Chinese holidays for some spots as Chinese people will flock to them them in crowds that the western mind cannot comprehend

But China is fantastic in general for travelling, I highly recommend it

>>2796999
>You need to avoid Chinese holidays for some spots as Chinese people will flock to them them
mid autumn festival and National Day in October are the worst
>in crowds that the western mind cannot comprehend
not only the size but also behavior
Chinese elders are ruthless
and the concept of personal space is entirely unknown

but don't expect empty sights the rest of the year
all popular AAAAA sights will be packed year round
you CANNOT escape the old Chinese people crowds

the only times I escaped domestic tourists completely was when hiking in Sichuan and Yunnan

>>2795099
I went there before smartphones to tier-3 cities where I saw not a single other white person for 4 days and survived perfectly fine. Worst part was most ATM's not taking my card but you work that one out quick.

Have you actually visited dickhead or just the usual /pol/ tourist in every China thread here?

Stick to Barcelona mate, it suits you.

>>2797003
Been twice, suck my dick. Japan is infinitely more enjoyable.

>>2795344
I know quite a few people who want to visit china. Don't know a single person who wants to visit India. Stop comparing China to a shithole.

>>2797003
>I went there before smartphones
To be fair, that probably only made things easier.
The digital revolution in China was the very opposite of helpful for foreigners.

>>2794372
>without WeChat (Pay), AliPay and a domestic telephone number you'll be completely lost
How do you get this set up?

>>2797151
That's my impression.

>>2797023
>Japan is infinitely more enjoyable.
Chinese women give up the pussy much easier though right? I'm in Manila and have only visited Tokyo/Osaka briefly <= 1 month each

>>2797219
Learn to speak Japanese.

>>2794360 (OP)
But I don't want to go among Chinamen

>>2797237
>Learn to speak Japanese.
i did, starting way back in 8th grade, lol
answer my question.
From my perspective, Chinese women give it up easier no matter which languages you know or don't know.

>>2797618
There's 1 billion Chinese and only 125 million Japanese.

Also Japanese women gave it up way easier to foreigners before the 1970s, when their economy grew.

>>2797618
>>2797632
If 1% of Chinese women are whores, and 10% of Japanese women are whores, guess which one is bigger just by number?

>>2797023
I like them both but I prefer china due to the sheer number of places and activities I can do in China.

>>2797219
Go to Vietnam if you want free hoes.

>>2794372
5A attractions aren't necessarily the best, the rating is awarded for quality of maintenance and accessibility
>Hundreds/thousands year old history at every corner
Kind of an exaggeration because they demolish their buildings every 30 years and most of the remaining old towns are fake (notable exception Pingyao)

you'll also need a domestic map, meituan, xiecheng or some other travel map, and Xiaohongshu to search for recommendations

>Stair hikes
Really quite rare, also I disagree that the hiking everywhere is terrible.

They do advertise a lot and I think it's to make up for the drop in domestic tourism that is happening due to the economy going down a bit, but they do not rely on international tourism at all, so they can still afford to refuse visa free access to political enemies and not invest that much in making it accessible. Although in places like Beijing they really do make an effort for foreigners to be able to do and understand stuff.

>>2797836
>Kind of an exaggeration because they demolish their buildings every 30 years and most of the remaining old towns are fake (notable exception Pingyao)

You're literally describing Japan.

Japan demolished the majority of their castles, temples and shrines in the Meiji restoration in the 19th century.

They then rebuilt the castles and temples out of concrete for the Tokyo Olympics in the 1960s for tourists.

Kinkaku-ji in Kyoto and Senso-ji in Tokyo are both rebuilt concrete fakes

Japanese tour guides won't tell you that on purpose, unlike Chinese tour guides who are blunt and honest.

>most of the remaining old towns are fake (notable exception Pingyao)

Xi'an's entire city wall is the original and so are its pagodas and temples.

Beijing's Forbidden city, Confucian temple are all originals.

Qufu's Confucius temple and mansion are all originals.

Japan also had the reputation for cheap shoddy knockoff products in the 1950s, and Japan had a reputation for urinating, spitting, littering and shitting on the street until Japan's government forced its people to stop for the Tokyo Olympics in 1964.

Japanese people were forced to stop shutting, spitting and urinating and pick up their garbage at that time.

Also Japanese girls had a reputation for being whores for foreigners in the entire Meiji era to the 1960s until again, the Tokyo Olympics made Japan clean up its public image.

Chinese hobos and exiles like Sun Yatsen used to pick up Japanese teenage girls like Kaoru Otsuki as side hoes.

>>2797836
>>2797843
China's medieval city walls walls in Xi'an and the Wild goose pagoda in Xi'an are the oldest standing medieval city walls and buildings in East Asia.

The oldest Japanese standing building is centuries younger than Wild goose which is over 1,300 tears old, and Japan has no medieval city walls.

The Forbidden city in Beijing is centuries older than any standing Japanese palace. Japan's palaces and castles are all recent reconstructions.

Japan also had a reputation for poisoning its people in mass industrial accidents in the 20th century (four big pollution diseases, Minamata disease) and dumping mercury into the ocean.

Japan only started cleaning it up in the 1970s.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/16634206/#


White nationalist Jared Taylor's book "Shadows of the Rising Sun", published in 1983 on how Japanese piss in the streets in public

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/16634206/#q16634301

Every stereotype you think about China, applied to Japan before the 1970s.

>>2797836
>>2797845

Japan's "cleaness" is from government destroying their traditional culture.

Japanese uses to piss everywhere in the streets and litter garbage as part of their culture, but the Japanese government forced and re-engineered its people to stop in the 1960s to please western tourists for the Olympics in the 1960s (same decade many fake concrete castles were built for western tourists) it began forcing elderly Japanese to pick up garbage.

Japanese streets and train lines used to smell like rubbish, piss and shit.
https://x.com/malecsandram/status/1511650585690447874

>Turn out that hosting the 1964 Olympic Games completely kickstarted the transformation of Japan and Tokyo from a sewage smelling city with rubbish all over to the hyper polite, hyper clean, hyper cosmopolitan place we know today.

https://x.com/MacSingularity/status/1576955688395636738

>A long time ago, during the 1964 Tokyo Olympics, the Sumida River smelled foul and was in a dirty state, so as a temporary measure to improve it, clean water was flowed.

https://x.com/NewbieJapan/status/1654060267003691008

>after the Olympics of 1964 foreign people complained that the Japanese were tossing their trash in the rivers and ditches everywhere. Tokyo was dirty.
That little bit of shame in the media produced the clean Tokyo we appreciate and JP fans picking up trash in the stadiums
It was easy for poor Chinese men working as peddlers or labourers to groom random Japanese girls in the 1920s and 1930s.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17164434/#q17164434

Japan also used to export more child teenage prostitutes to foreign men than Thailand in the Meiji era (karayuki san) with Japanese girls from Africa to the US and Canada.

Japan only cleaned up its image and GDP after the Tokyo Olympics

>>2797843
>>2797845
>>2797848
Lol

>>2797836
>>2797843
>>2797845
>>2797848

Japan annihilated and destroyed its own culture in the Meiji restoration

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/16634206/#q16634206

>>>/his/16634206

Tens of thousands of Japanese temples, shrines and castles were destroyed and decades later rebuilt with steel and concrete for dumb western tourists like you.

Japan destroyed its traditional social structure violently in the blood tax riots.

Japan even destroyed its traditional burial customs and food taboos, switching to eating dairy in the Meiji restoration while stop eating dogs and cats, and forcing its people to cremate.

French culture was destroyed in the French revolution.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/15158610/#q15159608

>>>/his/15159608
Japanese violently destroyed their own culture in the Meiji restoration, destroying tens of thousands of temples, shrines and castles and destroying their own culture to westernise

France violently destroyed its own culture in the French revolution and then Napoleon destroyed Spain and Portugal's heritage.


https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13277598/#q13277766


90% of South Korean men circumcise. (Agaisnt Confucianism)

90% of South Koreans cremated the dead. (Agaisnt Confucianism)

Most traditional Korean palaces have been destroyed like Gyeongbokgung and what stands today is a 20th century replica.

Most Korean clan genealogies are 20th century forgeries (over half of Koreans who descend from the peasant class now claim ancestry from royalty) by totally unrelated people who joined together and fabricated a common genealogy.

Korean "traditional food" includes spam soup (Budae-jjigae) from US army rations.

Korean "traditional" martial arts like taekwondo, kumdo were invented and copied from other counties in the 20th century.

Korean traditional Hanbok exposes breasts but they are too ashamed to wear it now.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13869957/#q13869957

Over a million Korean prostitutes served Japanese businessmen and American soldiers

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/16658070/#q16659572

>>2795099
China is based what this anon says is true.
You NEED alipay/wepay to buy and pay for everything. Cash doesn't exist. Debit cards don't exist.
You NEED all the right mini-apps in wechat to be able to order rideshares, navigate, find which metros to use, order food, hire the e-scooters etc.
Also no one speaks English at all and if your Chinese is bad you may as well be speaking English.
Easiest option is to just find a Chinese qt to act as your guide.

>>2797219
Hit and miss for Chinese girls to get with foreigners because theres still a degree of shame around dating foreigners. The ones that do are also 50/50 easy or frigid. But population is so large it doesn't matter at all. Go to one of the hanfu dress up stores and let the nice girls dress you up all fancy and do your hair and make-up. Then walk around any busy part of the city, you'll get so much attention you won't know how to handle it.

Don't go to China if you are a /pol/tard or sex tourist. Go somewhere more le hecking white and le hecking based and le hecking the West is THRIVING like Paris or Frankfurt or NYC or Birmingham.

>>2797843
>>2797845
>>2797848
>JAPAN JAPAN JAPAN JAPAN
schizo retard zhang. kill yourself

Paki men are having sex with thousands of underage white girls in Birmingham.

Vietnam is better if you want women. All East Asian countries import Vietnamese mail order brides.

>>2797848

>>2798066
Over a million Korean prostitutes served Japanese businessmen and American soldiers

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/16658070/#q16659572

>>>/his/16659572

Over 200,000 Korean girls were prostituted to Japanese businessmen in the 1970s.

https://newint.org/features/1993/07/05/sex#:~:text=They%20lighted%20on%20the%20Kisaeng,sales%20point%20for%20Japanese%20men.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/43923277

https://books.google.fr/books?id=tNNyDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT294&lpg=PT294&dq=%22these+developments+in+the+latter+part+of+the+decade%22&source=bl&ots=o57QUcXOV1&sig=ACfU3U1ye5cK7o37ls01HC9CTRlc67G9Lw&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj5_c2Jw5L7AhX7_7sIHcuDAxoQ6AF6BAgHEAI#v=onepage&q=%22these%20developments%20in%20the%20latter%20part%20of%20the%20decade%22&f=false

https://g-turs.com/j-tour/japan-tour-holiday-pantip.html

https://www.academia.edu/40146397/International_Cases_in_Tourism_Management

https://books.google.fr/books?id=OwssBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA314&lpg=PA314&dq=%22They+lighted+on+the+Kisaeng,+a+traditional+Korean+dinner+and+provocative+entertainment,+as+the+main+sales+point+for%22&source=bl&ots=SXbgbcjtDM&sig=ACfU3U2UMEuDOHT0imB5oQMAAFXvWgP-jw&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjE5pyYwpL7AhUsgP0HHf-uBT0Q6AF6BAgHEAI#v=onepage&q&f=false

>>2797845
>>2797843
>>2797848
Chinese men from Fujian were grooming and importing Japanese women from Japan to Fujian, China in the 1920s, just a few years before Japan attacked China and set up Manchukuo.


https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17164434/#q17164434

Japan was a sex tourism destination for Chinese men for the past millenia


70,000 Japanese girls were prostituted to allied soldiers in the recreation and amusement association after 1945.

Over 100,000 Japanese girls were prostituted as karayuki-san to Han Chinese men and western men in the Meiji and Taisho periods to raise money to industrialize Japan and spy in other countries.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14238771/#q14241373

And before that tons of Japanese girls were given to foreign Han Chinese merchants and Portuguese men and Dutch men during Sengoku Jidai and Tokugawa (Edo) as well.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/12244603/#q12249572

Japanese Karayuki-san prostitutes in French Indochina refused Annamese (Vietnamese) men as clients and only slept with French soldiers and Han Chinese men.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9505389/#q9508255

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9505389/#q9525108
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14238771/#q14241373

Japanese teenage girls whose families were killed in the firebombings and roasted alive and atomic bombing in Hiroshoma were forced into prostitution in the Recreation and Amusement association.

Over 100,000 Japanese men, women and children were roasted to death in one day in Tokyo during the firebombings in Operation Meetinghouse

Hirohito the cuck watched his capital and palace burn down and his women, both Japanese commoners and his own relatives get fucked by foreign men.

America then paid Japanese to experiment on Japanese children.

>>2800203
Every Chinese student, merchant and exile in Meiji Japan had Japanese concubines, like Sun Yatsen, Cong Liangbi, Dai Jitao

Japanese were mass raped by Jurchens (Manchus) in the Toi pirate raids of 1019


Jurchens (Manchus) gang raped Jaanese girls while the Japanese navy was powerless to intervene.


China wrecked and destroyed Japan in every single naval battle before the Meiji restoration.

Japanese outnumbered Chinese at the battle of baekgang and Noryang point. China curbstomped Japan in both battles.

Japanese outnumbered Portuguese at the battle of Fukuda Bay. The Portuguese stomped on the Japanese and Portugiese took Japanese slave girls.

China defeated the same Portuguese at the battle of Tamão (Tunmen) in 1521 and battle of Veniaga (Shancaowan) in 1522.

Japan was a sex tourism destination for Chinese men for centuries. Hideyoshi and the Tokugawa shogunate provided Chinese merchants with Japanese girls.

Japan sold over 100,000 Japanese teenage girls as prostitutes to Chinese coolies and Western colonies in the Meiji restoration to modernise their military.

Japan's first naval victory against China was with the British built Meiji fleet paid for by Japanese prostitutes.

Japan used human wave attacks against outnumbered Russians at Port Arthur and Nanshan and were massacred by Russian machine guns.

Japan begged Jews like Jacob Schiff to find them against Russia.

Japan's entire technological advantage against China in World War II was based on technology given to them by Britain and US (sempill mission) in exchange for Japanese prostitutes.

Japan lost every war with China before Meiji restoration.

Japanese admitted they compensated for numbers in World war II against China by western technology like mustard gas and tanks (gives to the by Britain) and they would have been curbstomped without western technology

>>17164434

>>2797845
>>2797843
>>2797848
>>2800203
Every Chinese student, merchant and exile in Meiji Japan had Japanese concubines, like Sun Yatsen, Cong Liangbi, Dai Jitao

Japanese were mass raped by Jurchens (Manchus) in the Toi pirate raids of 1019


Jurchens (Manchus) gang raped Jaanese girls while the Japanese navy was powerless to intervene.


China wrecked and destroyed Japan in every single naval battle before the Meiji restoration.

Japanese outnumbered Chinese at the battle of baekgang and Noryang point. China curbstomped Japan in both battles.

Japanese outnumbered Portuguese at the battle of Fukuda Bay. The Portuguese stomped on the Japanese and Portugiese took Japanese slave girls.

China defeated the same Portuguese at the battle of Tamão (Tunmen) in 1521 and battle of Veniaga (Shancaowan) in 1522.

Japan was a sex tourism destination for Chinese men for centuries. Hideyoshi and the Tokugawa shogunate provided Chinese merchants with Japanese girls.

Japan sold over 100,000 Japanese teenage girls as prostitutes to Chinese coolies and Western colonies in the Meiji restoration to modernise their military.

Japan's first naval victory against China was with the British built Meiji fleet paid for by Japanese prostitutes.

Japan used human wave attacks against outnumbered Russians at Port Arthur and Nanshan and were massacred by Russian machine guns.

Japan begged Jews like Jacob Schiff to find them against Russia.

Japan's entire technological advantage against China in World War II was based on technology given to them by Britain and US (sempill mission) in exchange for Japanese prostitutes.

Japan lost every war with China before Meiji restoration.

Japanese admitted they compensated for numbers in World war II against China by western technology like mustard gas and tanks (gives to the by Britain) and they would have been curbstomped without western technology

>>>/his/17164434

Korean men pimped 200,000 Korean women out to Japanese men in the 1970s and 1,000,000 Korean women to American soldiers in exchange for investment. Mongols and Central Asians also mass bred Korean women during Goryeo.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14147987/#q14147987

>>>/his/14147987

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13220256

>>>/his/13220256

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13277598/#q13277598

>>>/his/13277598

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13043204/#q13043204

>>>/his/13043204

The Mongols also invaded and raped Korea and mongrelized Koreans by having sex with all their women so much the Korean courtier Pa-gyu openly said pure Koreans would become extinct.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13067378/#q13071837

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13043204/#q13048487

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10828773/#q10828948

Gook

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13043204/#q13043204

"for examples of korean wives and consorts of high-ranking"

https://www.coursehero.com/file/109673076/Robinson-Koryo-Women-and-Great-Yuan-Uluspdf/

https://brill.com/downloadpdf/book/9781684170524/BP000012.xml

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=7fcFEAAAQBAJ&pg=PA314&lpg=PA314&dq=%22for+examples+of+korean+wives+and+consorts+of+high-ranking%22&source=bl&ots=Okq5ksxkHV&sig=ACfU3U1_EgN0yBiA91T5D7nUU_uaw1NkIw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjfm5PTqc_7AhU-_bsIHUQhDIMQ6AF6BAgGEAM

https://dokumen.pub/empires-twilight-northeast-asia-under-the-mongols-1nbsped-0674036085-9780674036086.html

https://vdoc.pub/documents/empires-twilight-northeast-asia-under-the-mongols-2i7l4ccfsq10

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14147987/#q14147987

Gooks

Korean women were handed out to Omani merchants

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13043204/#q13043521

>>2797219

https://factrepublic.com/facts/12480

There is a white man cafe in Tokyo, where Japanese ladies ring a bell to summon tuxedo wearing Caucasians who respond with yes, princess? and serve them a cake.


https://twitter.com/iamyesyouareno/status/1686298256039399424

Japanese women on White men

https://twitter.com/DJBIndustries/status/1685845109927981056

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhP_bCxhTdg

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765,986 views Jun 14, 2023

We hit the streets of Osaka to find out what Japanese girls think of white guys and if they'd be open to date them!

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https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/67b8ii/til_there_is_a_white_man_caf%C3%A9_in_tokyo_where/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJsSoaomZSw

https://factrepublic.com/facts/12480

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butler_caf%C3%A9

https://slate.com/human-interest/2010/08/butlers-cafe-taps-into-a-common-fantasy-among-japanese-women.html

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/%E2%80%9Cwhite-man%E2%80%9D-caf%C3%A9-in-tokyo.1567847/

https://www.inverse.com/article/10730-tokyo-butler-cafes-white-men-in-japan-race-immigration-future-cities/

https://www.tsunagujapan.com/you-can-be-a-princess-for-a-day-try-japans-butler-cafes/

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/life/2008/01/20/general/savor-the-sensation-of-being-a-princess/