>just fly anon
Why is no one talking about sailing across the Atlantic instead of flying? This seems like the ultimate adventure.

>>2794434 (OP)
>Just sail bro
Aye, There be sea krakens across the seas.

Buying a boat that can withstand Atlantic gullies, such as a 40 foot monohull, costs well over $75k USD and requires a shit ton of /diy/ skill to maintain and a metric fuckton of /out/ knowledge and preparation.
That also doesn't include the lack of sleep from constant rocking and squalls and the resource management needed to make an Atlantic crossing. If you get a wave that fucks up your sails or motor you're basically stranded in the middle of nowhere with nobody around for hundreds of miles. At least with a personal plane you'll die faster if something fucks up and won't just starve and dehydrate for days on end.

>>2794434 (OP)
I took a ferry from Seattle to Juneu, then to that port town on to Anchorage.

It’s really boring, but there is a small chance something happens and you die.

>>2794463
this, sailing is a lot of waiting

>the Atlantic
>spend half a month sailing across the ocean
>end up hitting an lone iceberg in the middle of the night
>die alone
>no one will even make a movie after you

>>2794463
I’ll add that it’s kinda fun with a good group, playing cards and cooking meals. It’s sort of like being at an outpost with no contact to the outside world. You develop a sort of comraderie.

The worst part is being tired all the time having to keep watch. Those hours can really drag when the rest of the crew is asleep.

Never done the Atlantic, no real desire to aside from going to Bermuda & the Azores.

>>2794467
Stupid, you would have to be sailing in the north pole or northern greenland to see an iceberg.

>>2794523
You ever heard of the Titanic? Have a look at it's route and where it hit the iceberg. Unless you take the southern passage you are at risk of seeing an iceberg. There are icebergs as we speak floating along the coast of Newfoundland in Canada southward that usually cross the northern route.

>>2794525
Yea you’re right there are icebergs near north newfoundland. Internet says they’re in the labrador current from april-july. Hitting an iceberg is still very rare with modern technology. Sonar, radar, satellite imaging.

Taking the Queen Mary II is probably more realistic and you might find some nice GILFs to connect with.

>>2794812
>Hitting an iceberg is still very rare
but never zero

>>2794434 (OP)
>Why is no one talking about sailing across the Atlantic instead of flying?
People who can do it (or have done it) certainly talk about it. But most people, even including a lot of people who actually sail, can’t realistically do it. It requires an appropriate boat and not-insignificant experience and skills at a minimum. Acquiring either of these things represents a big investment of money and time. It’s not something a casual can just decide to do on a whim.

Although that said, there are a handful of charter companies that will let you just book passage on trans-Atlantic sails, which only require a significant investment of money, and people who know sailboats can sometimes pick up work crewing yachts on long hauls, which is mostly just an investment of the time required to learn the ropes. So you don’t necessarily need both a lot of money and a lot of time, but you’ll need at least one of the above.

>This seems like the ultimate adventure.
I get it; the independence and personal control of a sailing voyage does sound vaguely exciting and romantic from a distance. Maybe even the fact that it can be incredibly dangerous sounds adventurous. But in practice, even the best trans-Atlantic sail is going to include a minimum of a couple of weeks in the middle of a large, blue expanse of absolutely nothing but water. I prefer adventures that include things to look at and people to talk to.

>>2794434 (OP)
>Why is no one talking about sailing across the Atlantic instead of flying?
because it's dogshit!

>This seems like the ultimate adventure.
no it's not
it's 3-5 weeks of generally boring but insanely unpredictable sailing
maybe 2 weeks if you're lucky and do Europe -> Caribbean
you typically ONLY do that if you want to move your Sailboat from Europe to the Americas

my dad did the EU -> Caribbean trip
and never had a single good word about the trip

there are so many interesting sailing adventures
and you would voluntarily chose one of the most boring, yet dangerous ones??

>>2794434 (OP)
as others have said, sailing across the atlantic is a major expedition requiring significant resources and preparation if you don't want to visit Davy Jones or get scurvy. you're also at sea with fuck all on the horizon for a lot of it. and it is the north atlantic which has been actively trying to drown people since well before 1492
people do it but if you are going to spend a long time on a boat there are plenty of safer and better trips to do

>>2796607
But does it have go-karts and rock climbing?

>>2797060
>But in practice, even the best trans-Atlantic sail is going to include a minimum of a couple of weeks in the middle of a large, blue expanse of absolutely nothing but water. I prefer adventures that include things to look at and people to talk to.
The solitary nature of sea travel and the challenges it poses really draws a certain type of person to it. However what you said about time and money is true and for 99% of people with either, a different kind of challenge will be more appealing.

>>2797073
People sail their boats across oceans constantly. Even across the North Atlantic in the winter, although it's uncommon and requires an enormous set of skills. One of the safer ways to do Europe to the Caribbean is to go with a flotilla, there's at least one each year where a large group of sailboats travel together to a set destination. If something goes wrong you're not far from many other boats.

>the atlantic
the Pacific is where the KINO happens. read Conrad and Melville.

>>2796607
Is that London in the background? A handful of the most beautiful buildings ever and then a giant pile of the ugliest.

>>2797831
Yeah this. In fact the Atlantic kind of pisses me off. Why are people even talking about it?

>>2794434 (OP)

Most wont attempt it because:

1. It's expensive.
2. Can actually be dangerous, especially if you take risks.
3. Nothing to film until you get to your destination which will take a long time.
4. Doing it alone is adds to the danger and psychological toll.
5. If anything goes wrong with the boat, repairing it is expensive.

>>2794438
>Atlantic crossing
>motor
niggah, you have no idea what you're talking about. It's literally impossible to carry enough fuel to cross the Atlantic by motor, unless you're a gigantic cruise ship. Sail boats cross on sail, hence the name.
>>2794496
>The worst part is being tired all the time having to keep watch. Those hours can really drag when the rest of the crew is asleep.
I crossed with 2 others, we'd do 3on/6off. Doing my watch at night, while the others slept, looking out at the horizon and seeing absolutely nothing but the sea, and a clear sky above me, that was one of the most beautiful things of the trip. And then dawn would slowly break...

>>2794434 (OP)
The ocean fucking terrifies me. Sounds like me idea of hell. Would just be imagining how deep the ocean is at every given point.

Have mad respect for sailors, especially those of old. Like to think that the Phonecians, Malians, and Basque made it to Americas. The Phonecian reports of the Sargasso Sea seem eerily accurate.

It's not the Atlantic, but always found this documentary endearing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVlSt4-Ct4g

Is there anything similar for Atlantic travel kino?

>>2798222
You need a motor for landings or to get through dead spots in the sea where there's no wind cause if you don't your 30 day sail turns into 40-50 days which could mean life and death if you don't have enough food and water.

>>2794434 (OP)

Its possible to learn what you need to, but this will take some time. The more knowledge and experience you gather the better. This means you should be applying as crew, speaking to people that sail, and beginning to make your own opinions about what sailing is about. Then, you can
begin to determine what your ideal boat looks like.

Picking a boat specifically for its "ocean crossing capability" is a noob trap. Almost all boats that people buy are never sailed. They rot away in marinas, neglected, ignored. Project boat faggots buy a blistered shell and spend 2+ years trying to get it seaworthy, only to realise its a brick.

If you go in with no knowledge then the expenses required to refit and keep a boat seaworthy will shock you. Especially if you pick a bad one. (Warning: Most boats are bad.)

Once you own this boat, you will use your newly acquired skills and start sailing. You should be having fun. Day sails at first, and then some longer passages. Run into some rougher weather.

Know that full time, experienced sailors spend 99% of their time near coastlines, at anchor etc. A modest boat will surely cover you as you learn, and will also be cheaper in every single way, and much more convenient to own and store if needed.

Some of these smaller boats can achieve ocean crossings, despite what boomers say, if only the will is there. (Sail within your own abilities and knowledge though).

Of the handful of sailors that make a full crossing (<0.1% of sailors), most consider it to be an ordeal, even in their bluewater cruisers.

It probably seems cooler in your head than in reality. If you want to sail on both sides of the Atlantic, rather than taking your boat, it might be cheaper to just fly across and buy another boat when you get there.

You can see that even if you focus on using your boat for travel, there's gonna be a huge amount of sailing involved.

You need to love sailing more than you love travelling, because sometimes it will be hard.

>>2794525
>You ever heard of the Titanic?
There are no icebergs on the titanic route, never where. Not even on your flat-earth or what media BS you otherwise believe.

Lost containers are a threat btw. Some swimming under the waterline.

>>2797073
>nd it is the north atlantic which has been actively trying to drown people
The usual route is Canary - Azores. But it's boring. You can just charter in the Caribean for less money and risk. Sailing the Turks was one of the most beautiful trips I've made btw..

no one's mentioned it but apart from all of that, the lack of SLEEP is apparently the worse factor.

I actually do sail but never in the ocean but you can't just pull over and stop. So idk but apparently most people set alarms (AIS) to check if there's something over the horizon or whatever boats incoming. In practice it apparently results in very little quality sleep but I could be wrong.

I have a boat and even doing a 3 day trip is realy hard to plan for.. shit could happen like you get really bad heartburn for example. Did you pack antacids?

well planning for stuff like this involves a lot. There's any number of issues. Staying cool is also an issue.

oh and 99% of the work is just fixing your boat. I know its a meme but its true. Like I took a piss in my boat last year (in the toilet) and everything smelled like piss. I don't even know what happened. What gasket, nozzle, or even pipe decided to give that day? It's an extremely labourious fix..

>>2798498
continuing from this..


Yeah as anon here said >>2798412 the first few years of owning a boat (unless you're rich cunt who drops 100k+ on a new boat which is actually more fragile and shit than old ones) you'll probably be spending the first few years just fixing stuff and upping its seaworthyness and hopefully adding modern comforts.

I did stuff like add a sun cover (bimini) and solar electricity and just those two individual projects probably took 50 hours of planning and labour

Unless you had a boomer teach you from childhood, you'll spend the first couple of years agonizing over docking your boat. It's a pretty steep learning curve. It's like parking a dumptruck wiithout breaks on ice that gets blown around in the wind..

and then once all that's done THEN you can really focus on sailing but some retards do just go out there.

Most boomers only take aesthetic care of their boats.. so they look good on the outside but every little safety or electical/gas system is a nightmare. There's stories every year of boomer boats spontaneously detonating in marinas lol

>>2794434 (OP)
I think my dream is to circumnavigate the American Continent, I would sail myself to Galapagos, dock up in these nice countries like Chile see Nazca Lines, Maccu Piccu (I have no idea what boat security is like if I could just park it somewhere a week). Then go to Patagonia, then do maybe Antarctica or at least some Penguin island, then Rio, then other places blah blah, Bahamas, Jamaica, Miami, through Panama Canal then back home.

That seems fairly safe since you are always near some coastline and resupplies.

>>2798017
Liverpool

>>2794434 (OP)
I was going to get into it, went for sailing lessons and all that. But its one of those things where the costs just continue endlessly like owning a car. You're constantly repairing the boat and if you don't know what you're doing you have to pay someone to repair your boat and thats even more expensive.

Watch some YT channels and you'll see how often these people are fixing something on the boat

>>2794438
>Buying a boat that can withstand Atlantic gullies, such as a 40 foot monohull, costs well over $75k USD and requires a shit ton of /diy/ skill to maintain and a metric fuckton of /out/ knowledge and preparation.
Very true.

Although you can find wind assisted steering rudders so that you can sleep comfy during the voyage without having too much hassle with the sails and rudder.
Modern starlink allows you to download weather files and plan your route relatively cheaply (used to be satellite phones which are €€€€€)
It takes 3-5 weeks, but can take less in case you are in a storm (don't, it's dangerous)

Also the bar for sailing is relatively low, but the dangers are quite high. Only do this after a couple of years of experience of sailing at sea.

>>2794467
The typical route for sailors is from the canary islands to the Caribbean around Christmas, then from the Caribbean/southern U.S. before 1st of May to the Azores to get back to Europe.

Or go all the way south around South America, but that is a very long time investment.