I have 17 nights and would like to visit at least 5 European cities/countries that are relatively homogenous with nice art/architecture/history and reasonably logistically convenient

Must see: Budapest

Choose 4 from these options:
-Warsaw or Krakow
-Prague
-Vienna
-Munich (would like to see one German city and it's convenient, same with Vienna)
-Croatia
-Bucharest
-Other Balkan countries

Budapest(4 night)> Bratislava(2 night) > Vienna(4 night)> Munich(3 night) > Prague(4 night).

Add katowice or Berlin depending on taste and adjust nights spent as you see fit. The ultimate central Europe tourist Disney special.

>>2799082
Is Bratislava more because it's very convenient or worth it on its own?

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>>2799092

Fits into your itinerary pretty well above all else. While is not spectacular it's worth 2 nights I think. 1 day for old town and a lot of great Soviet commie block neighborhoods to wander through. Suppose you could trade it out for ljubliana but logistically that essentially blows a whole day and travel time.

>>2799082
Train everywhere?

>>2799101

I would, but I'm also kind of a train autist. The distances aren't really long enough to justify flying after you add in security and all the other airport bullshit.

With a train it's city center to city center and you get to watch the country float by.

>>2799075 (OP)
As a Polak I can recommend Prague as it's genuinely very pretty. Worth visiting if you are an architecture nut like me and like gothic.

Between Warsaw and Krakow I recommend Krakow if you want the more "old cozy european" vibe.

Warsaw is something like a mix between an old european city, a soviet city, and a modern city. Worth visiting, but if you want a stereotypical European trip I would skip it.

>>2799075 (OP)
Munich -> Nuremberg -> Prague -> Vienna (day trip to Bratislava) -> Budapest

>>2799101
If tickets are available! They sell out during peak summer travel season.

>>2799075 (OP)
Warsaw is pretty good.

>>2799075 (OP)
Krakow, or Gdansk if you can
Skip Warsaw. It's the worst large city in Poland

>>2799082
yeah
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Thanks I went

Budapest - Vienna - Munich - Prague - Krakow

I'd like to avoid wasting 7 hour s for a train ride to Prague/Krakow, so will fly, though Prague seems to have a shitty airport with bad prices and direct flights and things are better coordinated through Munich/Vienna airports, so the order of the trip has to change

>>2799388
August still had cheap tickets, cheaper than fall or spring

>>2799469
>meme city - meme city - meme city - meme city - meme city
And you'll be skipping over everything else? Sad. If you want a good time you should find out which podunk towns are hosting music festivals, and plan your trip around them. Show up wearing some flamboyant attire (unlike all the generic Euro boys being their boring selves) and voila, you're a pussy magnet for hot-to-trot chicks.

>>2799485

Yes, spend your vacation in a Polish village OP

>>2799075 (OP)
You're going to burn too many days traveling. Amerimutts always talk about the trains but they are dirty and gypsies will get on and hassle you. You talk about watching the country go by but you will be mostly watching graffiti through a dirty window. If you insist on train I would start in Budapest and go Vienna, Prague, Berlin and fly out from there since they have lots of routes to the US.

It's a good high-low route. Budapest is cheap as hell. Prague still cheap but moreso. Vienna peak expensive, and Berlin mid-high.

What's the best country in Europe to move to where there are no pakis and jeets and somalis and arabs and shit?

Vienna is my favorite city in Europe. What people imagine Paris to be. Beware though, shops close early, and there isn't much nightlife.
Munich is boring, there is a big park, a fake wave for surfers and that's it. Maybe Nuremberg is better. I personally love Hamburg.
Prague is nice looking but a tourist trap at this point.
Warsaw is a bit far away from your other destinations, it's a nice city but I have heard better things about Krakow.
Bucharest is ugly but has a nice nightlife. Maybe go to Timisoara, Brasov or Cluj instead. Once you reach real Eastern Europe/Balkans it takes more time to travel between cities.
17 nights isn't that much, maybe focus on the area around Budapest and Vienna the most. I also like Belgrade a lot, but it's not for everyone, wouldn't recommend for a first trip to Europe perhaps.

>>2799765
Kosovo, it's only Albanians and Serbs

>>2799469
All good choices except for Munich. Just use FlixBus for travelling between Prague and Krakow, it doesn't that long, flying between the two is retarded unless you are a businessman.

>>2799075 (OP)
Another travellet picking cities and not experiences.

All these cities are more or less the same.

Think what exactly are you going to be doing there? Pick a theme and run it. Choose different accom/transport/activities and build cohesion as opposed to repeating the same shit 4 times.

The Balkans is the best tourist destination.
>Rafting in Neretva Valley & Tito's Bunker (Mostar and nearby)
>Tito's Railway (Belgrade - Bar)
>Thermal Baths (Budapest)
>Albanian Riviera & Boat Trips (Vlore - Sarande)
>Theth Valbone hike
>Plitvice Watefalls (near Split)

>>2799216
>>2799082
Imagine providing an itinerary with no theme or activities, kek.

>just add katowice or berlin bro

Silesia is a fucking amazing tourist destination with the industrial heritage attractions, and it's enough off the beaten track that you can have very fucking good nights out without overtourism fatigue.

>>2799804
Yeah, the prague-krakow bus famously doesn't tire you out and fuck up your next day!

>>2799848
>>2799852

You're the kinda fag that tells people at the hostel you're "traveler" not a tourist.

If OP wanted to really "experience" something on a deeper level he'd choose one place and stay there all 17 days.

Don't listen to these fags OP. You do what you want with your time. Your itinerary is just fine. Experiencemaxxing is such a millennial cope.

I'm doing my first solo trip and idk which hostel room to book.
Should I just get the cheap 8 person room, or are smaller rooms worth it?
Btw, I'm not a "backpacker", I'm not doing a multi month long trek across the continent, I'll just be in the country for like a week to do sightseeing. I'll probably be spending most of my time out and about and only return to sleep, maybe hang out at the bar 1 night out of 5. Are hostels even for me?

>>2799875
kek, it's fucking retarded visiting effectively the same city 5 times. why are you faggots allergic to going into the countryside or doing unqiue shit? it's baffling

>do what you want with your time
Why fucking have a board and thread?

>Budapest - Vienna - Munich - Prague - Krakow
Without ellaboration, the itinerary is repeating the same shit 5 times.

Also, nobody's actually addressed the art, architecture, history requirements. Every fucking recommendation thread could be answered with this lazy shit.

The fact Italy is not mentioned is hillarious. I'd also swing in Istanbul, desu. If you go via Sarajevo and hit up Balkan stuff on the way, you have a well rounded trip with proper diversity.

>>2799877
Book 2 different options and learn from it. Check into a hostel dorm in order to
>meet others
>have a hostel experience
>tap into the trips and activities

Then spend the last 3 days or so in a private room or airbnb. By this point, you might be tired and jack of staying with other people. Also, you might know how to game the hostel crowd and bring bitches back by this point.

You'll never know what's for you if you don't dive in and find out.

>>2799878

>Effectively the same city

Different country. Different food. Different currency. Different language. Different attitudes. Different beer. Different women. Different laws. If you cannot see the differences between Budapest and Munich this board can't help you.

>>2799885
You haven't been to these places, have you?

>>2799895

What a cope reply. Genuinely, please explain how they are essentially the same exact city?

>>2799898
Have you been to any of these cities?

Remember, the criteria are:
>architecture
>history
>art

Are you truly convinced the Catholic/Austro-Hungarian selection gives the best spread of what the OP is asking for?

>>2799898
Also, btw, I live in one of them. Forgot to mention. I'm willing to concede on Munich, haven't been there. The others, though, multiple times.

Are all the walking/bus tours that travel agencies push worth it? I'm not talking about specific historic sites, I mean tours of the cities themselves.
For me, I'd just look up shit I want to do in a city beforehand and just go there. A guided tour of a city just seems like a waste of time and money, and really restrictive too.

>>2799848
Honestly, Balkans are the best and it's my immediate travel goal after the high season is over, but don't scream it on every rooftop otherwise prices will increase, and the people who travel there are interesting, I don't want to see 4chin chuds, only weirdos and curious open-minded people as it's presently the case.

For someone who is travelling to Europe for perhaps the first time, Budapest, Vienna, Prague and Krakow are all good choices.
People speak good English, they have good architecture that is similar yet subtily different, good art, good goulash and schnitzel, and more importantly, good infrastructure between cities.
This is not the case in the Balkans (except Slovenia) because they were too busy killing their neighbors and getting bombed by NATO in the 1990s instead of building good roads and railroad tracks.
The bus system in Albania is fucking anarchy, you just go to a bus station and just hope someone go where you want to go. You need a bit of travel experience before being comfortable with that stuff.
Vlorë is nice but one beach is like full of kitsch hotels for tourists, and the other is sketchy with stray dogs and abandoned buildings. It must be fun during high season to maybe get into the pants of some tourists, drink beers, and there are a few nice architectural things to look at in the city, the mountains and so on but otherwise, it's like travelling to a third-world country, which is okay but probably not what OP wants.
I do agree going to Sarajevo or perhaps Ljubljana which is more realistic, instead of Munich, would be better, and I agree that Italy is a country you can't bored of as a tourist, maybe Trieste instead of Munich is a better idea. But I think OP is right to go to Budapest and Vienna, it was one of my first solo travel destination, and it got me hooked on this shit.

>>2800020
>balkans are the best after high season
Yeah so is September/october good around here? Or does it get even more chill and full of interesting folks in the winter? Or hows the spring season?

>>2800036
I have no fucking idea desu, someone on the /trv/ archive said it's getting depressing and gray, but I hate my home country where people are fake and it's cheap so whatever.

>>2800036
Balkans is so cheap you can go in high season but don't go in winter air quality is extremely bad and if you go to any beach they basically shut down after August

>>2800020
>This is not the case in the Balkans (except Slovenia) because they were too busy killing their neighbors and getting bombed by NATO in the 1990s instead of building good roads and railroad tracks.
This is why they're based to travel to.
All the best tourist destinations are ones which have been at war in living memory.
Ukraine is going to be on fucking fire for travel in 5 years.

OP here. The only part I have locked in is coming into Budapest for 4 nights so far

Some of the points on the cities being repetitive is valid. I'd like to make the most of the trip and see a Balkan country, willing to fly.

Any recommendations on a Balkan country like Croatia along the coast for a nice beach? I've been to Italy before

>>2801578
>I'd like to make the most of the trip and see a Balkan country
>Any recommendations on a Balkan country like Croatia along the coast for a nice beach?
most beaches in Croatia are gonna be gravel beaches
not that they aren't nice / picturesque, just keep that in mind

the classic beach locations would be Greece or Romania and Bulgaria on the Black Sea
Greece doesn't really "feel" Balkan though
and Black Sea is more of a party and drinking kind of destination, mixed with lots of young people (my high school graduation trip was there kek)

Albania and Montenegro are the best destinations if you want to go /out/ as well
personally liked Montenegro a lot
both non Schengen, so you might need a Visa

the whole coast from Croatia down to Greece is just fucking beautiful though
so if comfy beaches aren't the top priority, Croatia is incredible as well
most expensive options except for a few spots in greece though

if you just want beaches
go to greece
stay in Athens for 2 days while you're there
then take a ferry to Naxos (or any other island)

>>2799804
>FlixBus for travelling between
god I hate long distance buses
truly the worst mode of travel

>between Prague and Krakow
just take the fucking train
it's 7h, direct connection and like 20€

you'll still lose a day to changing locations
>flying between the two is retarded
so flying is absolutely valid
even with a stopover, you are way faster, have more flexibility (aka flying very early) and it'll be <100€

Depends on your budget, time of year and method of travel.

Since you want to do cities and take trains, Prague-Vienna-Bratislava-Budapest would be a nice straight shot on a high speed train. I did that route, but I rented a car and drove. Parking cost more than my Airbnb. I'd take the trains if I did it again. People hate on Bratislava because it's smaller and there's less to do, but I had a good time. The old town is nice and they party hard on the weekends. The nightlife is great. Prague, Budapest and Vienna are 3 of the best cities in Europe for art and architecture.

Personally, I'd do a trip to Spain if you're looking for cultural attractions. Madrid, Cordoba and Seville are unreal if you're into art, history and architecture. But avoid Spain in the summer unless you're at the beach. It's too hot. Italy should be at the top of your list too. But I'd only do Italy in late September/early October to avoid the worst crowds and still get good weather.

>>2801578

Going further south into the Balkans isn't necessarily the wrong choice. Don't sleep on Bratislava though. It's currently the last under-touristed and realistic cities left in Central Europe. Worth at least a 2 night visit.

>>2799761
>Berlin and fly out from there since they have lots of routes to the US.
Is this a new meme? Berlin has 3 inter conti connections (2x Jew York and Beijing) 4 if you count the UAE. The airport is a ded super budget carrier hub and nothing else.

>>2799934
>a guided tour of a city just seems like a waste of time and money, and really restrictive too.
It’s good to take a tour in every new city. You meet people, fellow travelers, maybe hot girls

>>2801900
>You meet people, fellow travelers, maybe hot girls
More likely boomers and married couples with their kids.

>>2801608
>>2801744
The Balkans seems like something you need to dedicate time to and isn't as easy to get around if you want to view the nice coastline and beaches. I'm already starting in Budapest for 4 nights, trying to hit the Balkans and then go back up north is forcing things

I think I'm just going to do something like Budapest -> Vienna -> Venice and some nearby Italian beaches ->Munich -> Krakow

Maybe skip Vienna, hear mixed things on it

>>2799075 (OP)
Krakow is incredible, I recommend it

>>2802628
Vienna's shit
Venice is based.
Munch is shit
Krakow is based.

What are you actually planning to do in these places?

Surely Zagreb makes more sense than Vienna? Could even then get the ferry to Venice via Pula for a grand opening. Sure beats rocking up sweaty in a shitty Flixbus.

The road of the 52 tunnels near Schio, north Italy is fucking incredible. Id EASSIILLYYYY place fucking around in the Alps over Munich.

>>2804362
>>Surely Zagreb makes more sense than Vienna?
lol? there's nothing in it?

>>2804443
Zagreb has an amazing nightlife and is a rare European capital which isn't saturated by mass tourism and globohomo.

I can guarentee that OP would come away from Zagreb having had more fun and authentic experience than in Vienna.

>>2804454
So cheap drugs and whores?