Portugal - /trv/ (#2802660)

Anonymous
7/14/2025, 11:21:43 PM No.2802660
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Ok, I have finally procured 10k USD passive income.
Convince me to live in Portugal
Convince me not to live in Portugal
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:09:09 AM No.2802667
>>2802660 (OP)
Where do you currently live?
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:10:08 AM No.2802668
>>2802667
Texas
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:26:52 AM No.2802672
>>2802668
Why do you want to move to Portugal, or Europe in general?
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:41:33 AM No.2802694
>>2802672
I want to escape the rat race that is the US. Don't want to get too political but do not trust my government and wouldn't want to have kids growing up here either. Also Portugal is beautiful and I have ancestry in Spain
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:37:58 AM No.2802708
>>2802694
Then go. America has a higher ceiling of success, but if you just want to live a simple life, Portugal is better for you I guess
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:38:07 AM No.2802709
Poortugal is getting kalergi'd. Lisbon is now filled with blacks.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:22:00 AM No.2802723
>>2802709
Does this apply only in big cities or throughout the region. What country in EU do you recommend, I hear other countries have similar problems.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:32:49 AM No.2802757
>>2802723
Rural Bulgaria seemed alright when I was there. If I wanted the quiet life it would be there or Hungary. Best thing to do just do is travel there and see if you find somewhere you want to live.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:39:41 AM No.2802769
Everyone completely despises Americans and Anglos in general in Portugal. They moved in masse and skyrocketed the prices. You're basically a muslim for them.

t. Portugal enjoyer
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:48:15 AM No.2802779
>>2802660 (OP)
>Ok, I have finally procured 10k USD passive income.
per year?

because that's only around ~6500€ net after tax / social security
putting you solidly below the poverty wage of ~7000€ net

you'll still need a job
for which you need to live in bigger cities in Portugal
in which 6,5k will be even less

>Convince me to live in Portugal
it's a beautiful country
pleasant climate, good food, nice people, inside EU / Schengen
relatively stable through future climate change with manageable water scarcity (not like Spain)
>Convince me not to live in Portugal
good Jobs are rare (remote work prerequisite if you want to live well)
very expensive near / in cities with jobs
shit train connections to the rest of Europe (well connected by airplane though)

and you'll be hated as expat
if you move somewhere rural, you'll be fine
but everywhere else Portuguese people will despise you
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:04:37 AM No.2802780
>>2802709
/pol/ tier response
and completely wrong

>>2802723
>What country in EU do you recommend
if you just want to live cheaply in peace
Eastern Europe
Bulgaria or Romania (maybe Poland) would be good options

for Jobs, either big city is fine
generally Germany, BeNeLux, northern Italy and Denmark (or Switzerland if you can)
but generally all big cities like Vienna, Warsaw or Paris work

>>2802757
yeah Bulgaria is pretty nice
and you can get a decent rural house for ~40k€ + ~40k€ renovations
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:20:47 AM No.2802784
i would live in thailand instead of portugal
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:40:53 AM No.2802786
>>2802780
>and completely wrong
You're really trying to tell us that Lisbon isn't African-maxxing? I'm pretty sure the rest of the country is ok, and most of the Africans are Portuguese speaking former colonists that the government lets in rather than the usual boat migrants, but the city is noticeably African either way
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:44:34 AM No.2802787
portugal excels at tinned fish
think of the 'dines!
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:17:01 PM No.2802792
>>2802786
>waaaah mommy i saw a s-scary b-black person
just to disprove your retardation I just looked up the statistics

Lisbon is like Portuguese natives (Portugal as a whole ~95%)
the rest being majority Brazilians and EU citizens

50k Africans, 150k if you include African born (but naturalized, which are mostly from former colonies you mentioned and are not there since yesterday / 2015)
...in a city of 3 million
most of those are regular, legal immigrants
and also pretty stable as percent of total population over the last 2 decades

>but the city is noticeably African either way
so yes, you are absolutely wrong

the only thing that is increasing is your psychosis
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:20:33 PM No.2802793
>>2802694
>Also Portugal is beautiful and I have ancestry in Spain
You know those are two very different countries with completely different languages, right?

A lot of wealthy Europeans retire in Portugal these days, it's a very popular destination, so obviously it's doing something right.
Personally I would rather go live in some rural town in France or Italy, but that's down to preference.

Portugal is an especially good choice if you like fish and seafood.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:36:44 PM No.2802797
>>2802793
>A lot of wealthy Europeans retire in Portugal these days
but I thought it was all Americans that were moving there and driving the prices up
>>2802769
>Everyone completely despises Americans and Anglos in general in Portugal. They moved in masse and skyrocketed the prices
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:53:50 PM No.2802800
>>2802797
>A lot of wealthy Europeans retire in Portugal these days
>but I thought it was all Americans that were moving there and driving the prices up
nta, euros retire mostly to convenient beach towns or idyllic rural villages with good infrastructure access
only a few end up in Lisbon / Porto Metro area

they still drive up prices
but only for beachfront properties
200m land inwards prices are suddenly normal again
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:08:10 PM No.2802806
>>2802800
Lately these newly developed areas with a bunch of identical villas + pool are also popular with retired boomers. It's about as unauthentic as you can get, very sad to see.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:54:31 PM No.2802863
>>2802757
>>2802780
So tell me if I am wrong but I thought once you become a Bulgarian citizen you can work anywhere in the EU? So picking a easy country say like Portugal, he could then move to a more job rich country.

The Visa >>2802660 (OP) is talking about is the D7 visa with hopes to become a citizen in 5 years.
Also another thing to think about is Bulgaria and Portugal allows dual citizenship, unlike countries like the Netherlands.

Bulgaria ended its fast-track citizenship-by-investment program.


>>2802784
OK?? What makes Thailand so much better?? To me job opportunity is much greater in the EU (and even Portugal). If we are talking about retirement I can see the argument? Maybe I am wrong but to me retirement in Europe sounds more welcoming to a western. Big reasons to move to southeast Asia?
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:59:26 PM No.2802866
>>2802863
Why the hell would he want to get a job if he's got 10k USD/month passive income?
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:14:45 PM No.2802874
>>2802866
>D7 visa
Look he never said what visa or how much he was making per month/year. I assumed he was making 10k a year because that is what the D7 visa is, about 900 a month passive income. >>2802779
I also think its 10k USD passive income year.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 11:26:39 AM No.2803439
>>2802806
>It's about as unauthentic as you can get
the retired boomers move there for the weather, food and otherwise cheap CoL
not authenticity, at least not for their home

and as dumb as this sounds,
but the new constructions boost the economy more than just buying an old house would

>>2802863
>once you become a Bulgarian citizen
>you can work anywhere in the EU?
yes, live and work anywhere in the EU

>is the D7 visa with hopes to become a citizen in 5 years.
it's €920/month in 2026, OP doesn't have enough passive income for this
and 920 is far from /comfy/ anyway

there's a way easier version though
if... you have some kind of STEM Bachelor/Master (any job on the searched list)
>EU blue card
if you're fine with (slightly) below "market pay", you can really easily get a job for 5y
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 11:38:55 AM No.2803441
>>2802792
>trusting official statistics
ngmi
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 12:02:00 PM No.2803448
>>2803441
>trusting shitposts form chan and anecdotal, emotional stories
ngmi

take your meds anon
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 6:02:47 PM No.2804339
>>2803439
Let’s just say he rounded down or will be close soon. 900 a month doable I agree not the best but once he becomes a citizen, you’ll be getting a 900 a month and then he can still try to get another job somewhere else in the EU. Maybe the OP wants to go work in France.
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 12:24:55 AM No.2805398
>>2802660 (OP)
I lived in Portugal for a year in Lisbon so I'll weigh in.

First, assuming you mean 10k USD/year this isn't a lot of money and will barely get you by so you'd need some kind of local income, but okay lets pass on that for now and say you can afford it.

Portugal has several problems. The housing crisis is worse than anywhere I've seen. My tiny apartment in Lisbon rented for 900 USD/month a few years ago, it was a closet, about 400 square feet, in an old building, with no insulation. The landlord was dying when I left and sold the place for 250k. It sold instantly within one day on the market. This was 2022.

The job market is basically a who-you-know nepotistic slugfest. You get jobs by knowing people and thats it.

Jobs pay nothing, just enough to get by, taxes are absurd. A minimum wage worker pays something like 25% effective tax on their income. I knew people that couldn't afford to travel from Braga to Faro because the train tickets were too much for them, they literally had never seen the other side of their own country.

Nothing gets done. No one works or has any working mindset. People will do anything to get out of work and there's incompetence at every level. Everything takes MONTHS to get done. I met a woman from the UK. She had PR. She said from the day she applied for PR to the day she got her ID card in the mail saying she was a PR was TWO YEARS. And they spelled her name wrong on the card.

Its a retirement home. The country has so many old people when you notice it you'll never un-notice it. It's like living in a retirement home. All voting, planning, thinking centers around these old people and what their needs are.

My personal opinion: the country is quite one dimensional. Beaches and bars and fish, its great. But it gets old. There's two seasons, hot and sunny or cloudy humid and surprisingly cold. It gets old after awhile.
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 12:38:10 AM No.2805400
>>2802784
pretty sure thailand doesn't have a visa system like portugal. you just have to keep doing visa runs or coming up with some new reason why you can stay in the country like teaching kids english or some shit.
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 3:59:23 PM No.2805577
>>2802660 (OP)
Stay in your own land nigger. Nobody wants more of you economic refugees driving prices up.
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 4:57:29 PM No.2805604
>>2802792
You dumb nigger, if you have ever actually been there you would know every corner has some blackie offering you drugs
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 5:10:40 PM No.2805607
>>2802779
>because that's only around ~6500€ net after tax / social security
>putting you solidly below the poverty wage of ~7000€ net
>you'll still need a job
>for which you need to live in bigger cities in Portugal
>in which 6,5k will be even less
Does Portugal tax income generated outside the country? That's still not a lot of money though. With 20k however you'd be rich in Portugal but in the US that's gigapoor

>>2802793
>A lot of wealthy Europeans retire in Portugal these days, it's a very popular destination, so obviously it's doing something right.
It has the best climate in Europe, that's it. Climate is similar to central California coast.
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 6:14:20 PM No.2805622
>>2802792
>the rest being majority Brazilians
Anon, I-