>well you’re really quite nothing, aren’t you?

How do you respond without sounding mad?

>>211360516 (OP)
What is it this time, did JBP burst into tears in front of a camera again?

peterson is so jewish and jungian i don't know why he larps as a christian

>do you believe in the Bible?
>the Bible is a hyperlinked library of wisdom across centuries. It's not a book you simply "believe in."
>so you don't take it literally?
>literalism is a modern distortion. Stories operate on multiple planes of reality.
>you're avoiding the question.
>i'm challenging its premises.
>are you saved?
>i think the idea of salvation is psychological, social, and metaphysical.
>so you're not saved?
>i'm working on aligning myself with the Logos.
>is that a yes?
>it's a process, not a status.
>do you believe in Heaven and Hell?
>we live them out psychologically. Every day.
>that's not what the Bible says.
>well, the Bible isn't a manual. It's a narrative architecture of meaning.
>are you afraid of going to Hell?
>i'm more afraid of becoming the kind of person who belongs there.
>do you think atheists can be moral?
>hat depends what you mean by "moral," and whether they're standing on borrowed ethical capital.
>borrowed from what?
>from Judeo-Christian metaphysics. From millennia of cultural evolution.
>so they're moral, but for the wrong reasons?
>they're moral, but they don't know why.
>so you're better than them?
>no, but I may be more aware of the foundations.
>so why not just say you're a Christian?
>because I'm not willing to trivialize that claim.

>>211360681
For someone who larps as an intellectual, he sure seems confused by basic concepts and definitions.

>>211360681
>>depends what you mean by "moral,"
this is why peterson is a postmodernist despite hating postmodernism

>>211360681
why didn't he say that gobbledygook?

>>211360516 (OP)
>Is it true you're a homosexual, young man?

>>211361145
Define sexual.
Define true.

>>211360681
Did he actually answer these questions this way?Seems far too coherent and reasonable.

>>211360681
>goes to debate based on the premise that he is a christian
>starts swearing up and down by Gnosticism
How do you respond without sounding mad?

>sir didn't you say-
>I'M NOT ON TRIAL HERE DEMON TROLL

>>211360681
I kind of agree desu, except with the "hyperlinked" bit because I don't know what that means

>debating a bunch of retarded teenagers still in college

every time
can't blame him, he got bodied by that sniffing commie that one time

>>211361411
please tell me that happened

>>211360516 (OP)
Ok smart ass get out of here!

>>211361145
homosexuality is a modern distortion, my dick operates on multiple planes of reality

>>211361445
Just paraphrasing

Peterson still won because of the way the atheists looked

>>211361437
>that sniffing commie
How the fuck does anyone understand a word that faggot says? How has he not gotten an interpretor or something yet?

It's a shame that moment is viral because I think some parts of that debate where quite poetic

"You would die for that pen? You wouldn't lie to save you?"

"Obviously you don't know me or my career". this was such a perfect reply

>>211360822
>trying to be precise about the meaning of words is postmodernist
lmao

>>211360666
Money as always. He admitted openly in Maps of Meaning that he's always fantasized about power and fame, now he gets to live that out by filling the Daily Wire niche. Coming out as gnostic-lite would mean all the CPAC money would dry up fast. Jung's grandfather was a master Mason, it's almost certain Jung was too, and Peterson is desperate to be Jung.

>>211360516 (OP)
>Christcucks when nothing bad happens to them:
Um achually muh all powerful all caring God just allows bad things to happen because umm free will. You like have free will not to get cancer or be born to abusive parents. And it's lessons and shit.
>Christcucks when something actually goes wrong:
How the fuck could this happen muh all powerful all caring God? It's totally unfair and impossible. Somebody get me literally all the benzodiazepines.

>>211361437
The guy in this picture is 32 year old teacher who has a masters in philosophy

>>211361546
Yeah because obviously he'd never seen peterstein exposed to the JQ

>>211360822
he's talking to a leftist, their idea of morality is usually "roll over and don't fight back as we rape your children" so i don't think it's too odd a question.

Presuming there’s any truth to Abrahamic myth at all, then Lucifer defied Yaweh-El the Jewish God of War, Subversion and submission in order to carry the fruit of the garden (Technology, knowledge and revelation of the nature of reality) to Man.

It was an act of Prometheian defiance in order that humanity not become slavish thralls to a false God and his lies.

Abrahamic religions are polytheism masquerading as monotheism, you have to pretend the petulant Yaweh-El is the only god despite admittance to the contrary in the scripture and historic record.

He’s said to have been the most beautiful of the angels, and the first to defy the God of the Jews.

Overall I’d say that’s pretty fucking based. Parables to Hitler in many ways.

>>211361588
The stereotypical retard scammed by college

>>211361651
Source?

As far as I can tell JBP's view is that the bible is useful as a moral guideline/story but not literally historically true, however he can't just come out and say this because it would ruin his whole grift

>>211360681
>Could you read and discuss the book "200 Years Together"?

>... I can't do it.

>>211361588
Well he looks like a fetus with Timothy Chalamet's hair

>>211361585
>atheists when nothing bad happens to them
I did all this through my own power!
>atheists when something bad happens to them
Whoa I guess gOD bot real!

>>211361552
religion in america is pretty sweet, totally legal and protected syndicates

This program didn't bother me as much as it seems to have done others.
Peterson is an interesting thinker, and I didn't find his answers to be incoherent. It frustrates me a little that he wouldn't back down even a little bit and say, "well look it's kind of mysterious and sometimes when you're put in a tough situation there's no right thing to do."
If you don't have eyes to see and ears to hear what he's talking about, then no amount of explanation is going to help. Your life experience will have revealed the kinds of knowing and truths he points at, or it won't have (yet). Language simply cannot communicate it -- except perhaps through poetry, but even then, you need the eyes to see and the ears to hear.
Good luck, Anonymous.

>>211361798
>Language simply cannot communicate it
Weird thing to say about a video of a guy talking

>>211361550
the definition of moral is pretty straightforward. peterson just cpmes across as a postmodernist when he tries to be deep and acts like it's profound to think about what is right and what is wrong. like no, faggot, it's not as hard as you think it is.

>>211360516 (OP)
>One two buckle my shoe
It's an implicit acknowledgment that the soft soles of your feet are vulnerable! And you need shoes to protect them!
>Three four shut the door
You have to define your domain and protect it otherwise chaos will enter! And the door is that gateway to chaos so you'd better keep it closed!
>Five six pick up sticks
It's an a priori assumption that there would be sticks on the ground! And that you can collect them to further your position in society! You don't want sticks lying around on the ground in your domain bucko!
>Seven eight close the gate
The gate is the opening to the chaotic forest that surrounds your domain! And there are wolves out there! And you don't want them cumming into your yard, that's for damn sure!
>Nine ten do it again
It's a commentary on the cyclical nature of life! You have to bear up your cross willingly and enter into the cycle everyday! Over and over again you need to bear up against the challenges of life! And that's no joke.
>cries

>>211361798
>Peterson is an interesting thinker

In what way? I genuinely don't understand why people think this when all he does is obfuscate his beliefs and give long winded droning answers to basic questions. I've never seen him say anything interesting or profound

>>211361425
Yep, some of his answers are pretty decent.

it's funny how /pol/ worshipped the guy until he said he didn't hate jews

>>211360516 (OP)
>No word can be clearly defined....except for "woman"

>>211360516 (OP)
I can't believe it's taken this long for /tv/ to realize he's a pseudo intellectual

>>211360516 (OP)
start crying and take a bunch of benzos

>>211361987
he would have majored in math instead of psychology if he was smart

>>211361798
did you just call a youtube video a "program"

>>211360516 (OP)
>If we lived in the days of Christ you'd be my concubine
Then I pop my eyebrows and wiggle my tongue at him

>>211360666
If he were larping he would've responded by saying he was a Christian. The people who organized the debate fucked up by labeling him as such.

>>211360516 (OP)
If you're simply going to dodge all the uncomfortable questions, then yeah, people will rightfully think that you're either a spineless coward or you don't stand for anything.

>>211361651
You had me with some fun old testament Enochian discourse right up until the end, anon.
>in a religion so fundamentally built around the concept and execution of obedience, the biggest villain was the guy who wanted to share knowledge and free will
>any thoughts on that, modern judeo-christian friend?
>n-no because questioning god's will is against the rules obviously i can't comprehend his will because i am only a lowly human h-haha it's naughty to even think about this!!!

https://youtu.be/oVDrbdBw6Bg?si=OSKTINvDrky5DZGL&t=261

>>211362192
>he thinks Paradise Lost is canon to Christianity
lol

>>211360516 (OP)
> Dr. Peterson, simple question. Are you a christcuck?
>Well… that...that really depends on what you mean by “christcuck".
>It’s not that complicated.
>Mm, I think it’s extraordinarily complicated. You can't just throw that out and expect a straightforward answer. It's... it's embedded in a whole constellation of assumptions. So before I answer, we’d have to carefully delineate the domain in which that term even functions.
>It's a yes or no question.
>It’s—look—it could mean someone who submits to divine authority at the cost of temporal power. Or someone who forgives instead of retaliating. Or a man who believes there’s virtue in suffering, which, by the way, is the entire point of bearing your cross. But that doesn’t mean it’s weak. In fact, it could be a meta-masculine stance. A higher-order dominance hierarchy.
>But do you identify as one?
>I don’t identify as anything in that linguistic category. I aspire to bear the burden of being responsibly. If the pursuit of truth, beauty, and the divine logos makes me a “christcuck” in someone’s unstable nomenclature, then frankly, I would suggest the nomenclature requires a serious epistemological audit.
>Okay but just for the record, are you, Jordan Peterson, a christcuck?
>It’s not that simple. You see, I might behave in a manner that someone, somewhere, might interpret as christcuckian - if we even accept that as a legitimate adjective, which I’m not convinced we should - but to say that I am one... that’s a metaphysical claim. That’s identity-level. That’s being, not just doing.
>So... you're not denying it.
>I’m not accepting the premise.

>>211362779
and then /pol/ clapped and praised Wotan (who they don't really believe in) and prayed for Palestine

>>211360681
We get it youre a gnostic and think christianity is for simpletons but you cant come out and say that or you lose plausible deniability. Holy fuck.

>>211361425
It doesnt mean anything, adding "hyper" to something doesnt give it some profound new meaning.

*cries*

>>211361425
it means its blue and you can click on it

>>211361651
1 Enoch is canon and real, so is Jubilees, if you actually read those books and integrate them into your thinkiing you will see how fucking stupid you sound. Also its "YAHU'AH" so even in your attempt to sound smart (by mixing greek myth with scripture and calling it all equally mythological) you are getting the names wrong. 2 and 3rd enoch are written by rabbis to muddy the water, 'Lucifer' is latin not a hebrew name so even mixing that with God's name in an attempt to sound learned makes you look like a retard.

>>211361712
kek

>>211360516 (OP)
Only the most veggie-brained retards take longer than 10 seconds to realize the Peterson is a neurotic phony. Cry more, Peterson, you weird f.

>>211363624
Wouldn't be Yahuah, or you'd find ancient spellings with five letters (YHWWH). Without vowel pointing, the four letters suggest two syllables, and Yahweh fits perfectly a particular verb conjugation of HWH meaning "he causes to be."

Enoch 1 plainly has a lot of later cosmological material added in, only the beginning part is old, but the old part isn't archaic. Jubilees is similarly old but blatantly post-exilic.

>>211361651
>Sucks jew dick implying whatever godless worldview they have is the one to consider
>"I-it's just like H-hitler amirite??"
Come on anon

>>211362779
>He furiously wrote all that thinking someone would read it
Why so mad bro?

>>211360724
He's challenging their words and the underlying memes, questioning the underlying social assumptions we've come to take for granted just by using this vocabulary for the discussion. There's a lot of binaries and absolutes here, ex.:
>Are you saved? (Are you saved or are you not saved?)
>Are you a believer? (Do you believe in the whole Bible or none of it? Do you interpret it literally or not at all?)
To call him a fool is like calling Socrates a fool for asking questions and it betrays ignorance of philosophy and theology.

>>211362779
>you lugubrious demon-rodent, you think to cast aspersion on my good name by alleging that I am a cuckold for Christ?
>go to hell and die, to be a cuckold is to bear witness to the numinous, it is to be Tyndareus, Joseph the husband of Mary, and Súaltam mac Róich
>you would be so lucky as to be seated on that adytean hotel chair, benighted spawn of katabasis
>*weeps*

>>211364789
>peterson trying to appropriate the aesthetics of Christianity while having the spiritual life of a potato and being flummoxed when pressed on that point is basically like uh Socratic dialogue and stuff

>>211365191
Ask me how I know you weight over 220 lbs

>>211365227
>jumping from paper-thin pseudo-intellectual drivel to schizophrenic playground antics
Average peterson customer.
Pathetic.

>>211365313

>>211360681
The only thing I take issue is the use of 'Judeo-Christian', but otherwise a true quotation of Peterson. A gnostic wouldn't say any of that, you guys don't know what you're talking about.

Every single person in this video was annoying

I know you are but what am I

>>211363201
He’s a rationalist materialist, nothing about him is Christian or Gnostic.

>>211360681
Rome didn't need abrahamic dogma to be a moral civilization.

>>211360516 (OP)
Call him a scoundrel

>>211368070
Call him a rogue, a worthless fellow, a rascal, a low villain, a man without honor or virtue, a cheat, a swindler, and a knave.

>>211368070
>>211368101
JBP really is just a highly-educated sperg, huh?

>>211361699
JP does view the Bible as literally, historically, and physically true. Alex O'Connor asked him if there was a video camera next to Jesus' resting place if you would see, on the video, that Jesus did stand back up, and JP said yes.

Yes JP does believe the Bible is layered with multiple meanings, but ultimately one of those layers, the most important layer to him, is the physical one.

He can't acknowledge this outright because he has no response to arguments from materialists.

>>211360681
Flanderized Petersonposting is a more based and concise Peterson than Peterson is himself in current year

he deflected the whole time instead of honestly debating and answering. what a crypto jew

>>211360516 (OP)
Damn, man don't even know if he's a Christian or not.

>>211361550
pretending not to know what Christian is, or what normal words mean is postmodern

>>211360681
Unfathomably based. This increases my esteem for the man.
>b-but he didn't give a simple yes/no answer to my retarded questions! he only made me feel retarded!
Thus have you glimpsed the buddha-nature. You're welcome.

I felt bad for Peterson in this

But I also felt bad he wasted literally everyone's time

>>211362087
He goes back and forth pretending to be a Christian the whole video
Non-denominational Christianity is a fucking joke, and the people who use it for the sake of arguing like Peterson only make real Christians look bad by association

Peterson is only interested in Christianity because he thinks defending it gives him some kind of moral authority to talk down to godless heathens, but really he’s just setting himself up as the easiest target imaginable for those types of atheists as they point out and mock his inconsistencies and hypocrisies

>>211367588
But needed it to keep it together awhile longer before it collapsed, and then Europe as a whole after that needed it to fend off the Arabs.

>>211360516 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAOy-bCk8EU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAOy-bCk8EU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAOy-bCk8EU

>>211368947
why would you feel bad for him? kek

>>211368947
Don't worry, he also wasted his life too.

>>211369231
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcEIUPMuU-4
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcEIUPMuU-4
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcEIUPMuU-4

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Peterson has officially lost his mind. Watch a lecture from 10+ yrs ago and he actually makes sense. He's insightful, funny, witty and capable of desconstructing symbols/parables/allegories/etc. Now he is just an emotional mess incapable of answering a simple straight forward question without clenching his lips agitated by the audacity of someone trying to understand his philosophical dribble.

>>211365333
>>211368444

I really don't understand all the christians on JP side on this thing. It must be all neocon boomers. If anything him positioning himself in defence of Christianity only harmed the Christian image, since well, he never defended Christianity. Based fag for unmasking the gnostic atheist grifter he is

>>211369249
Because his opioid addiction clearly has ruined him