Why would Stockton Rush think it's smart to create a carbon fiber hull at the depths he was going? Everything in the past has been set to standard use using submersibles as either Titanium or stainless steel. Stockton was clearly a psychopath. Ignoring safety inspections that clearly indicated a catastrophic loss of life using his design. Why was this allowed to go as far as it did? Shows that money will buy anyone and convince them to embark on dangerous expeditions that will cost them their life. I really don't feel sorry for Stockton or his crew. They should have recognized the imminent dangers they were in.

It was hubris plain and simple

>>211364623 (OP)
If he had found a way to mass produce the hulls cheaply he could have simply used them once to get down and back up, then thrown them out and replace them with another. That was the key flaw in his plan. The carbon fiber hull was weak as fuck and got weaker every time they went down.

>>211364623 (OP)
>Everything in the past has been set to standard use using submersibles as either Titanium or stainless steel.
Not only that but deep sub cockpit hulls are spherical so that pressure is distrubuted evenly. Going deep with a cylindrical design is asking for trouble. In addition, carbon fibre is excellent for resisting internal pressure (aerospace) but terrible for external pressure (underwater). Rush had his head up his ass and refused to listen to anyone coming at him with logic. Darwinism a its finest, too bad he took a bunch of far too trusting souls with him.

He didnt swim so good.

I'm honestly jealous that they experienced one of the most painless deaths in reality like they simply ceased to exist no time to even process a sliver of fear or worry, rich guys last thought was probably 'this is boring'

>>211364623 (OP)
he didnt want to hire old white men.

I enjoyed the doc thanks for the dlink earlier bros, those of the crew that did realize how dangerous it was were smart enough to get out before it was too late, the rest bought into Stockton's hubris and had blinders for the obvious problems. A kino fate for such a forced "genius" who just wanted to be someone like Musk. Most of the doc ripped on him and that was gratifying. Literally the prime example where regulations were key and I'm usually the guy to say regulations hold back science and development but certainly not in this case

>>211365885
pretty sure they were hearing the creaks in the hull and Rush was actively like it was no big deal until it was, the kid was probably trembling in fear cause he knew it was stupid

>>211365885
>Fear and worry
They certainly did, what they didn't feel was the pain.

>>211365885
I mean, a gunshot to the head would produce the same result.

>>211366027
>Hubristic smarty-pants billionaire offs himself trying to get the reddit crowd that used to follow "dude, Mars!" ketamine addict
Why don't these rich niggas just get some friends and actual fucking relationships instead of dooming themselves chasing parasocial interactions?

>>211365885
50/50 the retard died with the smug thought of "just a little more engineering ironing" even as he was trying to emergency emerge.

they reveal he was old money rich kid at princeton that had unremarkable grades, bad even, combine that with his speeches and the footage of him with his permanent grimace and you could see this man was obsessed with believing he was truly part of something great but if he didn't have that money he pretty much wouldn't be much smarter than your average High School educated dad

They were alive for at least five minutes after the compression. Brainwaves were detected.

Meanwhile the DSV limiting factor has been to the 5 deepest locations on earth, has an endurance of 4 days, has a test pressure of 20,000psi and has been in service since 2018. Maybe all of those old, white men were right?

>>211366027
>regulations
He went out of jurisdictions to bypass those regulations, the problem was the guy couldn't accept the fact he was wrong.
It was interesting that one engineer bringing up Stocktons aero space degree or whatever and not knowing basic physics.

>>211365477
>In addition, carbon fibre is excellent for resisting internal pressure (aerospace) but terrible for external pressure (underwater).
This should be obvious since carbon fiber is like any fiber. A t-shirt will resist if you try to pull it apart but nothing is stopping it from crumpling up.

>>211368913
Not just Princeton but also Phillips Exeter and he could trace his roots back to the signing of the constitution.

>>211365885

I hope at least someone took a giant ogershit in the toilet

>>211364623 (OP)
Why are grown ass men obsessed over Titanic?

>>211364623 (OP)
Because the point of capitalism is to make the maximum money possible, and that means cutting down on production costs.

For example replacing cheap illegal labor with higher cost legal labor. Or in this case replacing steel with carbon fiber.

>>211368371
Unsure, their bodies were literally atomized all at once, gunshot to the head probably lets you feel some pain compared to that.

>>211370676
just another dumb boomer obsession, like ww2, the civil war etc.

>>211369975
Sexy little fella

>>211364623 (OP)
He got rid of the older White guys that were telling him it wouldn't work. Got himself a diverse crew of experts instead.

>>211364623 (OP)
Download/Stream link?

>>211370915
www.netflix.com

>>211364623 (OP)
>documentary about the tragedy
>first few minutes are about sexism and the the OceanGate assistant being underpaid due to her gender

>>211369347
>The crew compartment, containing human remains, and many other fragments from the submarine were recovered from the ocean floor after a three-month search and recovery operation. The exact timing of the deaths of the crew is unknown, but several crew members are thought to have survived the initial breakup of the submarine. The tube had no escape system, and the impact of the crew compartment at terminal velocity with the ocean floor was too violent to be survivable.

grim.

>>211364623 (OP)
He's a white man who wasn't used to not getting his way.

>>211364623 (OP)
He fancied himself a Silicon Valley-type maverick who breaks the rules and pushes the envelope. Having a guy who's willing to disregard personal safety for technological advancement is admirable, and history is full of these types of guys. Unfortunately Rush was not one of the success stories, and his biggest mistake was taking other people with him.

To your question, stainless steel and titanium are superior with current manufacturing methods, but likely would have exceeded the budget he was working with.

Its really too bad because submersible tourism could have been a neat niche industry, and now its been set back decades.

>>211370324
Exactly. Carbon fiber is strongest when stretched, not compressed. Trying to pull a wicker basket apart from the inside is a hell of a lot harder than crushing it from the outside. Rush was a fool and died one.

>>211371291
>submersible tourism could have been a neat niche industry
It already was/is. He was just trying to make it cheaper.

>>211369347
>>211371224
Fake news. In this context the bodies would be dusted in a split second.

this is amazing
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yeah this is fine
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>>211371291
>a guy who's willing to disregard personal safety for technological advancement is admirable
Except here it's just a retard who thought carbon fiber was a good idea at this depth

>boeing tells him it doesnt work
>the tests show that it doesnt work
>david tells him it doesnt work
>many other tell him it doesnt work
>you can literally hear it constantly breaking
>does it anyway
the only upside to this is that he took 2 jeets with him into hell

I heard he went with carbon fiber because it was light; a 5-man submersible made of titanium that could reach Titanic depth would have been too heavy. It also could have been a cost thing. Not only would the sub itself have been much more expensive, the support vessel would need to be much bigger. Stockton was a big believer in carbon fiber and he didn't care at all that everyone else in the industry thought it was a bad idea.

she can inspect my titan any time she wants, if you know what I mean

>>211372519
i'd visit her davey jones locker, if you catch my drift

>>211364623 (OP)
>No. Look, i'm asking the questions here okay? You tell me why Stockton submerged into those icy waters okay. The sub community knows what we're doing alright? You cant ban subs alright?? Everyone knew about Stockton, we warned about Stockton, you had to be a fool to get inside that thing, to believe it could reach the titanic, on a moonless night no less.

>>211364623 (OP)
Watch the shit you post before asking questions about it. It answers it in the documentary. He was a businessman, carbon fiber is much cheaper, and lighter. The idea was to be able to get a whole fleet of these ships due to the cheap costs of labor. By cutting costs where it mattered most. And, well, you see how well that went.

After the first hull cracked, they did a couple of tests of 1/3rd-scale models of the second hull (still carbon fiber but with a 0-90 configuration instead of just unidirectional plies). Both tests failed and they weren't even close to 6,000 psi. They went ahead and made the full-scale hull anyway. They never did an unmanned test and Stockton himself was testing the sub to 4,000 meters. The man had a deathwish.

>>211364623 (OP)
>Rather die than admit being wrong.
Based.

>>211372614
she manages to extend my snorkel to the full length, if you get the picture.

>>211372274
Unless they were in the compartment that didn't collapse. Which seems to be what he's getting at.

>>211372667
I worked a year of a software startup and the ceo was exactly the same type. they literally don't listen, no matter what. it's like talking to a wall

>>211372722
>didn't collapse
Impossible at that depth
If there is a breach it's over

>>211372397
Don't forget
>sue people for telling him it doesn't work

Solar Eclipse Timer on YouTube did some great analysis on this. The carbon fiber hull would have failed eventually because that's what it does but judging from the wreckage, the reason for the implosion/explosion was the failure of the interface between the hull and the front titanium ring. They added lifting eyes for the final vessel against the instruction of their former lead engineer and it's most likely the reason that connection failed. They kept the ship in an open parking lot during winter. It was a complete shitshow; they did everything wrong.

>>211368375
>Why don't these rich niggas just get some friends and actual fucking relationships instead of dooming themselves chasing parasocial interactions?
When you're super rich, you don't get to have real friends. You will only get either sycophants or people angling to rip you off.

>>211372958
Truly we live in a society

>>211372958
>When you're super rich, you don't get to have real friends. You will only get either sycophants or people angling to rip you off.
Why not be friends with each other then?

>>211373482
You'd be paranoid if those super rich friends are in the second category, wanting to get richer. Also, that circle is quite small, and not everyone wants to be "real friends" with everyone else.

>>211365885

Did he died

>>211372958
>>211373482
>>211373575
Super rich people are actually incredibly comfortable around each other.
The freedom to do whatever they want and see whoever they want whenever they want is why they're always having casual relationships, orgies, affairs etc.

>>211373606
can we even say that he returned to dust? or did he just flat out return to the primordial soup?

>>211364623 (OP)
>charges thousands per head
>buys a $20 controller to pilot his billion dollar sub

>>211373719

>>211373636
Yet fags like underwater implosion retard seem to be dissatisfied enough with such hedonistic distractions to chase meaningless clout. The only relevant super rich that seem happy are mega evil niggas like Bezos.

>they kept the submersible outside on land exposed to the elements during winter when they didn't use it. Water that seeped in through microcracks would routinely expand when it was freezing.
Wow.

>>211373741
The guy who made the sub wasn't super super rich, that's why he cut so many corners for financial reasons.
The rich people who paid to be on the sub weren't dissatisfied with hedonism, they had the freedom to do anything that took their fancy and they felt like seeing the Titanic first-hand.
>The only relevant super rich that seem happy are mega evil niggas like Bezos.
The Bezos and Musk types that chase fame are unhappy because nothing will ever be enough, that's why they have marriage problems.

>>211373730
would it have succeeded if he'd used an Xbox™ Series X™ controller?

Honestly, there are way more kino undersea disasters to make documentaries on. Like all the ones where the trapped divers actually have a hope in hell of getting out, but still die painfully and horribly because of incompetence or bad luck.

This whole story is dull. A rich retard takes a bunch of other rich retards in an obviously unsafe sub and they all die instantly.

>>211364623 (OP)
I don't want to watch this shit, but did they mention the specific problem with fiber hull, it's about checking final product for inner defects.
When you use metal you can locate any defects in the wall of the hull, but when you are working with fiber it's impossible because material is not reflective. You can't check if this specific submarine withstand pressure without actually putting it in the water. Awful design flaw.
Rule of thumb, if you can't put your machine on a test bench, don't drive it

>>211374069
They were checking the sub for cracking sounds indicating that the hull was breaking. Then they'd keep using it anyway. Also, >>211373863

>>211372722
Anon, the pressure of the water would crush you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byford_Dolphin

There's no surviving this shit even for a second.

>>211373674
Pressure is so high that it's more dust than soup

>>211374069
So the documentary explains it thusly:
>Stockton wanted to use carbon fibre because its cheap and weighs less
>Theres a subtle nod to the idea of Elon Musk and his starships being reusable
>Carbon Fibre apparently is made up of strings of carbon
>Even in testing it was imploding
>They didnt change a thing
>Kept the submarine as it was and Stockton was the only one who spent a great deal of piloting it
>Many times the sub would make sounds indicating the Carbon was tearing
>They knew this but Stockton referred to it as the "carbon seasoning"
>One day after a particular "seasoning" event an engineer found a crack in the hull
>Stockton fired the engineer that told him this would happen and they rebuilt the hull
>The sub continued to make "seasoning" noises as Stockton used it
>The month or so before the final implosion they left the Sub in sub zero temps, because they couldnt afford to move it
>Water getting in the cracks from the previous "seasoning" and freezing basically expanding the cracks
>They did nothing even though they were told about this
>Everyone dies

>>211374478
>dis yt nigga season his sub
>he cute

what did they mean by this?

>>211372702
i have a couple of ballasts for her to release, if you can follow along

>>211365885
They blew the ballasts and knew something was up. They were probably panicking up until they disintegrated. Not as bad as other deaths but not the most peaceful one either.

>>211370595
based authentic Jim quote

>>211375938
>that's right cocksucker, go back to US territorial waters!

>>211375938
>61 years old
>acted like an uppity teenager up to death
What causes this?

>>211376449
>What causes this?
Having generational wealth and never hearing "no" in your life.

>>211376449
1962 is the very tail end of the boomer generation. So quite literally, he was a boomer.

>>211377002
Yes, but he was also a hardcore libtard who wanted less white people on his research team, which speaks volumes in and of itself.

Look at how garbage shit like >>211374069 is, compared to
>>211373719
>>211373730
Total AI nigger death

>>211372519
I’d bet $1k that she fucked Stockton.

>>211372519
>try to convince your CPA, director of finance to pilot the sub cause she has a vagina
>bails the company without much of a notice
>time to convince the intern i guess
lmao, were they the only two females in the company, besides the wife

>>211377815
she probably was the boat mattress