>character can alter reality by sheer will

I wish i could break my zoomer adhd attention span habits

>>211410468
wear autism headphones

>>211410405 (OP)
i'm a midwit but doesn't this experiment only prove that by interacting with an electron/photon (there is no way to measure an electron/photon without physically interacting with it somehow) we alter its state? it doesn't actually confirm the "electrons/photons change their behavior based on consciousness" theory, no matter how cool it is
can somehow with above-subhuman IQ explain this thing to me

>>211410693
>can somehow with above-subhuman IQ explain this thing to me
whenever you're alone anything behind you is a save me niggerman tier horror of uncollapsed probabilities.

>>211410693
It's not "consciousness", it's as simple as photons reflecting on your eyeballs changing the outcome. That's why it only happens when we look at it and not just think about it.

>>211411186
Nah, if you use ESP you can collapse the waveform just by thinking about it. Requires some training, though.

>>211410693
Our perception of the universe actually changes results. Its like the rest of the universe is lazy and suddenly acts as it should once we're looking over its shoulder. We don't know why, yet, but that's how it is. There is the old question of if a tree falls in the forest, and no one is around, does it make a sound? It might actually not

>>211411186
>it's as simple as photons reflecting on your eyeballs changing the outcome.
yeah simple.

>>211411256
>ESP
not real, complete fantasy

>>211410693
Quantum phenomena (it’s just a model btw) don’t have good macroscopic analogues. To debate whether they’re particles or waves is a failure of our language and experience to describe them: they’re both. The Copenhagen interpretation is that the “particles” obey a probability distribution that sometimes makes it look like they prefer one “mode” over another, but there’s nothing magical about it. If I gave you a box full of rocks, you wouldn’t know how many there are until you counted them: you also need to be conscious to do that, that doesn’t mean that the number of rocks depends on you being conscious. Hopefully at least some of that makes sense to you

>>211410693
have a light source emit a single photon every x seconds. the single photon somehow interacts with itself to create a interference pattern. if a device is used to determine which slot the electron passes through, the single photon no longer interferes with itself and longer generates an interference pattern. if you were to add a second double slit after the first, with the slits at the same spots where the detected photon stops interfering with itself, the diffusion pattern comes back.

>>211411186
yes that's how electrons are measured. Scientists literally just gaze upon the accursed particle which forces it to exist

>>211411305
just more proof that the sim only renders what it needs to

Can I somehow reproduce this experiment at home without needing a million dollar lab?

>>211411533
yes. you can do it with a lamp, scissors, and some paper.

>>211411427
We already replicate it in video games

>>211411533
Yes!

https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/54052/is-it-possible-to-reproduce-double-slit-experiment-by-myself-at-home#54055

>>211411533
a kid did it in my elementary school science fair one year, complete with the ability to swap between interference pattern and no interference pattern, with a glass shutter on one of the slits.

>>211411305
Wrong. Interaction with a particle collapses the waveform. Observation REQUIRES interaction, the problem is that midwits take "observation" to mean "someone looking in the general direction of the wave-particle", when it actually means someone touching it.

>>211411847
feel free to explain how the waveform uncollapses after a second double slit sheet, thanks.

>>211411620
>>211411661
>>211411772
Yeah sure you can reproduce the interference pattern. But I want reproduce the interference pattern not showing up

>>211411847
Yea this is it. When you get to observing really small things there's interference from the measurement instrumentation.
It's like using a vacuum cleaner to measure the movement of dust particles.
Once we find a way to detect particles at a granularity many times smaller than the particles being measured and at virtually no interference the phenomenon should disappear.

>character raised on science fiction misinterprets experiment
>scientists with murky metaphysics don't understand what their observation means
When Stephen Hawking wrote The Grand Design with a colleague, talking about the origin of the universe and how it came to be, they never agreed if "nothing" means non existence, or absence of matter. And they never even notice they're talking past each other in the whole book.
In the same way, there isn't a consensus on whether electrons really exist, or are a mathematical notation, a mere plus sign in notebooks. Scientists consider the conversation not important. So they don't know what to make of it when that kind of shit in the OP happens
Pic related is what these big brains actually believe. Science will only move forward when idealist chads rise up.

>>211411956
>a second double slit sheet
I don't understand the question. If you're running the electrons through a double slit sheet onto another double slit sheet, where's the observation? All the electrons that make it through the second sheet aren't collapsed, because they passed through both rows of slits unimpeded. You'll get an interference pattern for the electrons that fail to get through the second set of slits, and on the wall past the second set of slits.

>>211412480
The uncertainty principle puts a fundamental limit on that. To see a particle you need to bounce another particle off it

>>211410405 (OP)
How do they know the top panel is correct if it would require they make an observation to confirm it, and by making the observation it immediately appears like the bottom panel?

Explain it to me like I'm black.

>>211412620
>astrophysicists are particle physicists are philosophers
Nah. We build mathematical models based on observations, that’s it

>>211412811
the measurement on the top is done after the particles are already shot, on the bottom the measurement is done during the shooting of the particles

Its happening right in front of you.

>>>/b/
>>>/sci/

>>211410405 (OP)
Ever since I was a baby I always thought everything I looked away from disappeared out of existence, and when I looked at it it popped back

i always wanted to catch it in the action

>>211413070
I’m convinced they’ve got shipping container nukes stashed in at least New York, London, and LA, but probably a bunch of other urban metros too. Good for them!

>Wave functions
Not real
>Particles
Not real
>Science
Fake

>>211413070
Jews are still seething over the whole Jesus beating them up in their bank and throwing over those tables

>>211412896
you can't investigate the basic fundamental reality of the universe without metaphysics
>Nah. We build mathematical models based on observations, that’s it
observations are made within a theory.

>>211410405 (OP)
Has to be the most misrepresented experiment of all time. fyi it seems like the issue comes from the word "observed" but apparently when scientists use that word they mean "measure" or "interact with"

>thing changes when you look at it
How do they know? They aren't looking at it.

>>211410693
the problem is the lenguage used because all those papers were written for other scientists not for the general public. What the experiments say its less
>the universe is alive
and more like
>this particles we found break when they are interacted with, this is important because insert complicated physics stuff here

>>211411305
that's not what it says anon

>schroedinger's cat

>>211414080

>>211410693
Observation in regard to QM experiments just means that yes, by measuring something we are influencing the system and altering the outcome. Consciousness has no role in it, only the physical perturbation that was applied.

>>211410405 (OP)
>character gets his physics knowledge from popsci youtube channels

>>211412620
black science man is such a moron, and it took Cool Adam to reveal his midwittery
>the tangent he had about why traffic light stops are red "because muh blood or something"

>>211410693
>can somehow with above-subhuman IQ explain this thing to me
Yeah imagine that looking at a photon is like putting your hand into a river.
If your hand is in the river, it makes an interference pattern in the water. If you are not interfering with the stream of photons/water, it will follow it's natural path.
Midwits think this is exciting.

>>211411371
>>211411305
>>211411186
>>211411110
>midwit retard posts
>words words words words (none of them right)
I bet you all "FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE" :^)

>>211414609
they were just making sure you'd feel comfortable

>>211414191
>>211413920
>>211411382
>more midwit retards
No faggots. It's not magic. It's very simple.
Light is a body just like water or air is. It's just much lighter and less dense and has certain properties because of that.
If you put a fishing line into some water, it'll make ripples.
Looking at light, because it's such a minute field, even *looking* at it affects it.
So just like how putting your finger into water or a drop of water into a pond creates ripples/effects, observing a field of light is the same.

>>211414795
Nothing in their posts is correct, albeiatross.

>>211414815
ok but "affect" is being used rather loosely here.
we're not just causing more ripples. we're collapsing the wave.

>>211410693
Look, it's really simple
>folds piece of paper
>sticks pen through it

>>211414499
>>211414499
It is exciting. To get a true result we have to be outside somehow.

>>211412718
>I don't understand the question.
so you take a double slit with a detection device, even just a small pane of glass, project light source through, then make two more slits at the points of the two bands of light without detection, and the waveform interference pattern returns.

>>211410405 (OP)
What we perceive as time itself is actually just the greater wave function of reality collapsing into certainty from one end to the other. The present is a kind of singularity.

>science

>>211414815
you're essentially saying a single molecule of water will somehow generate ripples and interference patterns with itself.

>>211410693
In layman's terms: It's like a game engine that doesn't render everything until it's in view or almost in view. The implication is a lot creepier in that it means the universe operates under a rule set similar to an artificial engine and is possibly self-aware to an extent.
>>211411110
This is also somewhat true, things are not 100% until observed, technically anything could or could not exist until observed.

>>211415875
Or its the aether and light is a negative value in it

>>211413799
Even the people who recognize this typically conflate it with being a measurement arrefact.

>>211415804
It’s true. I checked. I let go of an apple and the earth fell on it.

>>211413799

yeah the "measurement problem" it causes a collapse of the superposition of multiple outcomes.

Reminder that I am the only Observer you are all are spooks.

>>211410693
Consciousness is just a retard interpretation of scientific terms like observer. Due to the heisenberg uncertainty principle you can know either the position or speed or a particle /because/ to know these you have to alter them.
So you have your magnetic field or w/e detector (observer) and when that gives you the particles position it also changes the speed and that changes the slit result. Typical qm explains this in retard math terms but pilot wave has a better analogy.

Also im going from.vague memory so i probably.reference the detector.wrong but the gist is there.

>>211413799
You can't observe something without interacting with it in someway. To see it requires its photons bouncing off you or your sensors

>>211413342
Not really. Reality exists independent of your contemplation of it.

So what’s the solution to the Baryon Asymmetry Paradox, anons? The suspense is killing me. And yet I am still here.

>>211416417
Yeah in macro things are being changed minutely by photons we see but with particles its like trying to see baseballs by shooting baseballs at them and then being surprised when the trajectory changes

>>211410405 (OP)
Lotta people confused by the double slit experiment in here.

https://youtu.be/qJZ1Ez28C-A?si=qUTQZjArhyrdIvmh

>>211410693
It means God is real

>>211416455
How does that contradict what Isaid?

>>211410693
The entire thing is retards getting confused by the word ''observe.'' When you are dealing with particles so small the only way to observe them is to hit them with a different particle, which is going to change their state.
The thing with the two slits called a double slit experiment has literally nothing to do with it. These people are just retarded. The double slit experiment only shows that atoms act sort of like waves and not like balls passing through a hole.
These people got two unrelated things completely wrong and then just mashed them together.

>>211416744
I observe the sun rise in the morning, no theories required

>>211410693
Basically
>If a tree falls in the woods and nobody ia around to hear it does it make a sound?
We're not really sure because nobody was there

>>211416744
I think you’re arguing with either a troll or an idiot, anon.

>>211416965
He made an obviously incorrect statement. I am educating him

>>211416916
>>If a tree falls in the woods and nobody ia around to hear it does it make a sound?
I know this isn't what we are arguing about but this triggered my autism something fierce.

With the density of life within the woods, the chance of a lifeform with hearing capabilities not being around when the tree falls approaches 0 rather than 1. Therefore, the tree always makes a sound.

>>211416890
You observe a luminous disk rising in the sky. The nature of the sun, and what it means to rise is a theory. Actually it's funny you say sun rise since that's the previous theory we found to be incorrect. The sun doesn't actually rise. We replaced that theory by a new theory, which takes into account the movement of celestial objects, perspectives, etc.
This is old news, retard.

>>211417026
I don’t believe you are.

>>211410693
Imagine you are blind. Someone hands you a stick and says: "there's a guy in front of you, juggling. Use this stick to determine if he is juggling clockwise or otherwise". You reach with your stick and wait for a ball to hit it. You now know which way the balls were going before you did it but have no information about the direction now, after he started juggling again. That's basically it: we have to accept that there are some rules how things act the way they are but we can't ever discover them, beccause there's no way to observe them without changing it.

>>211417443
It’s a bit of a chicken and the egg but ultimately the theories are constructed in an attempt to synthesize observations into a coherent understanding. The observations themselves are theory agnostic, that’s why different theories can be constructed from the same observations. The converse is not the case

>>211410405 (OP)
Of course he sees two lines when he looks, he only has two eyes!

So I thought that decoherence (the process of a system collapsing from a state of superposition, to a definite state) was physically impossible to reverse, which I thought made sense in relation to thermodynamics and entropy, but now I’m down this fucking rabbit hole on unitary evolution and entanglement, and how you may theoretically be able to return a system to a state of superposition if you just sort of un-tangle it from everything else it’s interacted with since it’s initial decoherence, and honestly science is kinda gay sometimes.

>>211416807
photons. also electrons. and protons. and neutrons. energy is verifiably particle based but said particles act like waves when highly energized.

>>211418115
We’re really big and atoms are really small. Look into statistical thermodynamics and canonical ensembles if you want another rabbit hole. Then do Godel’s theorem. The universe is fucked m8

>>211410693
nope you pretty much got it right. to find out how something like an electron behaves, we have to interact with it. and that interaction removes any chance of observing the mysterious aspects of the electron because it physically affects it. until we develop a way to analyze the electron without physically affecting it, we won't truly know how it behaves

>>211410405 (OP)
>character is a few pickles short of a ham sandwich

>>211418354
the issue with this read is how the double slit experiment holds true with alpha/beta radiation, where detection of said particles doesn't require bouncing other particles off them and their energy is sufficient to be unaffected by being "observed."

>>211418247
In regards to scale, I’m still reeling a little from the quantum view of gravity. Like based on our other discoveries in particle physics, gravitons probably exist, but it also might be next to impossible for us to physically detect one because of how much weaker the effects of gravity are at the quantum level. Isn’t it crazy to think about how influential gravity is on large bodies, literally forcing planets and stars to fly around each other almost inexplicably, and so strongly that in order to defy it we have to generate ludicrous amounts of energy. But then at the quantum level it’s hard to tell if it’s even there at all. Practically imperceptible.

>>211419008
don't look up how supermassive objects are being affected by imperceptible forces.

>>211419008
Consider that in Bohr’s model of the atom, the average difference in distance between an electron and a nucleus is, on a relative scale, roughly the distance between the sun and Pluto. Also consider that the native resolution of the universe is on the order of the Planck length, which is more than 20 orders of magnitude smaller than a hydrogen atom radius. Shit’s fucked yo

>>211419408
I already know about dark matter/energy. It’s definitely one of the more fun areas to theorize about though, but on a similar note I’ve always been fascinated by subjects like the great attractor and other actual bodies in space that we know are there, but only because they are affecting the gravitational pull of everything else. Sometimes I like to try and imagine which other elements of life we may be taking for granted, simply because we don’t realize their existence or behavior is actually due to some unknown interaction that just happens to occur totally consistently from our perspective.

>>211419635
It really would be so much easier if particles could just orbit atomic nuclei like little moons and everything could just be uniform all the way down like at the end of men in black lol

atheists
>God? Ridiculous, He can't possibly exist you retarded christfag!
also atheists
>Weeeell...scientists claim there are particles that change properties depending on if we are looking at them or not and the very thought of observing them changes their behavior but I have no reason to doubt that because COME THE FUCK ON SCIENCE SAYS SO

>>211419993
Science and religion are not mutually exclusive. They are both excellent tools for reaching enlightenment if used appropriately. Every really great tool doubles as a weapon though if used inappropriately, or in bad faith.

>>211420335
"No!"
Science flies you to the moon! Religion flies you into buildings!

>>211420726
And trolling on 4chan all day flys you into a lifetime of virginity.

>>211421030
I'm 34, I have my whole life ahead of me to lose my virginity, you fucking THEIST

>>211421094
You will lose potential grand wizard powers if you lose your virginity at this point

>>211410468
You can, just turn off the background shit and focus on a specific task.

>>211421210
The only powers I got is a permanent depression spell. It's power is so potent I cry myself to sleep every night thinking about my state. Don't want to lose that sweet deal, yes?

>>211410468
i use a timer and pomodoro method, 52 minutes working then 17 minute break
log every 17 minutes what you did in 2 words
supplement with nicotine for focus and brain health, buy gum off amazon or concentrate on nicokick
use l theanine
use coffee
intermittent fast, helps me concentrate i think
lions mane, i use hose defense
creatine, brain health
monotask and focus on the essentials, the stuff you avoid is whats most important