He was a visionary. His team of millennial dipshits let him down.
Did he design the sub? No.
Did he physically build the sub? No.
He was a man with a dream whose only mistake was believing in young people, paying them to do a job, and then giving them a chance to do something great. Then THEY let him down by making an absolute piece of shit of a submarine.
Do you really think a man who is supposedly a narcissist would risk his own life like that? He trusted his team, wanted to hire a diverse group of young people, and then those kids completely screwed him. They were probably taking frequent "mental health" days and generally being lazy, as all millennial workers are, then slapped something together at the last minute and told him it was safe.
Now everyone is piling on, trying to blame the deceased "old rich white man" who can't defend himself because his crappy team's terrible engineering got him crushed to death underwater.

based, fuck zoomerniggers

>>211413068 (OP)
>he didn't design his sub
That's where he fucked up

>>211413068 (OP)
He was the only one who thought building a carbon fiber frame was a good idea, ergo the blame solely falls on him.

>>211413068 (OP)
>His team of millennial dipshits let him down.

That's no excuse really he was CEO and should have monitored safety. I'm also pretty sure he made important design decisions like the thickness of the hull. And he was the one who dismissed the warnings from the monitoring system a few dives before the implosion.

>>211413218

>>211413068 (OP)

Nobody could comprehend his submersionian mind.

>>211413209
People tend to ignore that he went down in that very same sub multiple times and everything was fine.
So in his mind it was safe and proven to work.

>>211413209
>He was the only one who thought building a carbon fiber frame was a good idea, ergo the blame solely falls on him.

This, his idea was a cheap lightweight sub with low expense carbon fiber body. The problem is his idea was bad, no amount of engineering can turn an inherently flawed idea into a good one. Everyone else on the team realized this, he was too ego driven to accept reality

>>211413068 (OP)
he repeatedly scoffed at industry standard certification tests to pressure rate the vessel, despite all sorts of professionals urging him to do just that

>>211413381
Except everyone was telling him it was not fine, and had data to prove it, he ignored facts

>>211413209
He was a moron. Oh the carbon fiber hull is making these popping and cracking noises when we go deep under water. It's fine because it's done that before so far the sub hasn't imploded so we should be fine next time as well.

>>211413482
It was fine because he wanted to die that way.

>>211413537
It wasn't fine because he got other people killed in the process

>>211413068 (OP)
He fired anyone who complained about the design flaws

>>211413493
I had nightmares because of those noises.

He possessed a l'appel du vide and no industry certification for hulls or anything of the sort would matter to him. He would've gone down there (n+1) times in an increasingly brittle cuckbox until the depths crushed and atomized him. You can't reason with people like that, it was a fetish to him. Same as those people that like to be vacuumed into some latex sheet or people that willingly allow themselves to be packed up in a small suitcase. All you can do is not be in the sub with them when the snap crackle and pop starts. I bet he got hard when he realized what was finally about to happen. Maybe he even subdued and had his way with his passengers down there once the last vestiges of reason and civility left him and he turned into a homo compactus truly.

>>211413645
They were sacrifices the depths demanded.

>>211413068 (OP)
>Man whos main job is hiring people, hires bad people
sounds like he sucks at his job and deserved his fate

>>211413183
He worked pretty close to the team

>>211413645
The virgin dying alone vs. the Chad homemade submarine death

It is really uncomfortable to think that he had multiple people in there with him and they likely all panicked at the last moment and cursed at each other and got scared and run an entirely gamut of emotions and likely got so upset at him and then picoseconds later they all comingled into one fine mist-paste of organic matter and you couldn't tell them apart. All of their differences instantly settled as they turned into one large fish food soup.

The scene where the hull is popping when he's inside is kino of the higher tier. It spooked the shit out of me, especially when you imagine the symphony of sounds they experience before the kaput. Terrifying stuff.

>>211413068 (OP)
bruh he fired all the smart engineers that brought the issues to his attention and then sued the shit out of them

>>211413986
were they jumping at the test failing?

>>211414062
>Camera zooms in on Stockton as he slowly turns around with an insane smile
>"I forgot to mention... this was a one-way trip"
>Pajeet father lunges at Stockton
>"YOU BLOODY-"
>*poot*
>Celene Dion plays over credits

>>211414290
The mothman was projecting from the future warning them of the impending doom, but they didn't interpret the signs correctly and one thing lead to another.

>>211414301

Reminds me of that one pilot that lost his shit and just flew a plane right in the middle of the indian ocean and nobody even knew what was going on before it was too late.

>>211414290
yeah, they built a small-scale version of their hull to pressure test it in a controlled environment, and them jumping is the implosion of their little model. this happens at least twice just in the documentary.

>>211414290
The thing fucking exploded during testing. Hard foreshadowing.

>>211413068 (OP)
Nah, he was a fucking retard. Anyone with an ounce of rational thinking can immediately tell that having a submarine controlled by a goddamned Temu joystick is a fucking insane and idiotic idea.

>>211413647
When that fired engineer heard about the implosion he must have had the most satisfying "Told you so" ever

Where did they poop?
Why was he so insistent on getting cute women to go down with him?
Are the two related? Did Stockton Rush have a poop fetish?

>>211413781
kek

>>211414421
The one from Malaysia Airlines?

The most charitable explanation I have is that they knew their sub was completely fucked but they were running out of money, had already taken cash for the passengers that day to go see the titantic, and needed the good press and additional investors to start over with a new design. They figured it was risky but they could squeak out one more dive.

>>211414620
they had a curtain for peeing and such.
for the marketing.
yes

>>211414502
I can understand the boomer passengers not seeing the problem with that, but the jeet kid should have known something was off.

>Billionaire submarine explorer character is named "Stockton Rush"
This shit never happened.

lmao

>>211414834
>drills the monitor screws right into the carbon fiber hull

>>211414830
sounds like a roger persona from american dad

What are the odds that something very small went wrong and he had an autistic meltdown and broke the controller, causing all of the real problems?

Don't act like you haven't done it. What was the game? MW2 for me.

>>211414834
logitech actually

>>211415053

Would be really funny if the indian kid went "can I see the controller for a sec" and Stockton hands it to him and the kid just spergs out and snaps it in half... "TOLD YOU I DIDN'T WANNA GO DAD!!!" and the entire onahole sub erupts into chaos

>>211414824
holy shit, do you know the make and model of this joystick? I need this so I can toss it at the wall whenever I'm frustrated playing games, this fucking thing is probably indestructible

>>211414830
This whole thing was a CIA skit, most of it in reference to Johnny Quest.

>>211415176
logitech f710, it has looked the same for like 20 years

>>211415053
>Don't act like you haven't done it. What was the game? MW2 for me.
Unfortunately I could never afford to do this, my family wasn't well off enough that we could afford to break shit on a whim and just replace it. That's probably why I grew up with a short temper and lots of pent-up rage.

>>211413281

Everytime i see this titan sub stuff come up i cant help but think of the part in the lost city of atlanta episode where they get pulled underwater and the professor tells leela that its a spaceship so it can only handle between 0-1 atmospheres underwater basically implying there is no crossover engineering between aerospace and submarines.
Very relevant.

It’s crazy how their last message—saying they were ascending—was sent before the sub imploded, but didn’t reach the support ship until after the implosion had already happened. It gave his wife and the crew a few seconds of hope, thinking everything was fine… just before they realized the sound they had heard really was the sub being destroyed. The implosion happened so fast that no one inside would have had time to react—death came in nanoseconds. But if they all knew the sub was destroyed instantly, why did they keep up the search narrative for days, as if rescue was still possible?

>>211413068 (OP)
He was retarded.

>>211415220
>logitech f710
Thanks, anon. Imma look up the price.

>>211415282
There was a miniscule chance that the implosion was so energetic it actually propelled them forward or backwards through time. In fact, they can appear alive an unharmed at any second, having travelled into the future on the shockwave.

>>211415282
>But if they all knew the sub was destroyed instantly, why did they keep up the search narrative for days, as if rescue was still possible?
They were embarrassed, horrified, and worried about the legal implications I'd assume. Someone brought up the Malaysia airlines crash and there's an interesting parallel there in the sense that the Malaysian government knew very early on exactly what had happened but decided to withhold information and allow the investigations and searches to proceed, presumably out of fear and embarrassment.

>>211413381
>dude i smoked a cigarette once or twice and i didn't die therefore cigarettes must be healthy!

>>211415399
Stockton's Freehold, coming soon

>>211415282
They couldn't make the call until they pumped out the gastrointestinal tracts of the local crab population to confirm their deaths.

>>211415282
>why did they keep up the search narrative for days, as if rescue was still possible?
Because if there is a 0.001% chance there were survivors thats enough to justify search and rescue. Its been maritime tradition for as long as maratime traditions have happened. The sea is huge and you probably won't be found, which is all the more reason to give it the effort. Its also a peace of mind so that if you're ever lost at sea you have something to fight for because if you can hold on for another day, that might be the day they find you.
Hell early into wwii uboats and ships would try to rescue people from ships they sank, or loiter around long enough to make sure someone was coming to get them.

>>211414824
After watching the documentary, it’s clear there was something seriously off—not just with the guy who built and piloted the Titan, but with almost everyone around him, including his so-called “friends.” These were people who either knew, or absolutely should have known, that he was piloting a death trap controlled by a Lexus video game controller. It was this bizarre mix of boomer arrogance, unchecked narcissism, and tech-bro delusion. He honestly came off like a sitcom character—blissfully ignoring red flag after red flag.

Apparently, his dad was a decorated war hero and ran an exclusive, high-society country club, while he was mostly seen as a joke—someone they kept around for entertainment. Maybe that explains some of his behavior. I don’t know. The guy just wasn’t right in the head.

>>211415225
>short temper and lots of pent-up rage
Someone who actually had that would have gone through at least one controller even when he couldn't afford to replace it.

Just imagine the fragments of what was once your mouth mingling with the fragments of what was once Stockton's 61 year old balls.

>>211415053
That actually happened on an earlier expedition. The dude had a temper tantrum once his shitbox started malfunctioning on the ocean floor, and he chucked the controller at his copilot’s head. The guy was probably emotionally stunted or just straight-up childish.

>>211415765
It's a white guy thing.
Every single vehicle, be it car, airplane, motorbike or whatever was initially used by insane white people to zip around with barely any security measures and they died in bulk. Same thing with scaling mountains or trekking to the north/south pole. It's the exuberant spirit of invention and discovery.
He was just high on it and much like his predecessors he eschewed safety to get shit done. And much like a lot of his predecessors he paid with his life for it.

He might be insane but people like him get compressed into fine crab feed paste so ones that follow him can do things more safely.

>>211415765
It's just hubris, people fall victim to it every day. His ego was tied up in the sub, so any criticism of the sub was a criticism of him.

>>211415961
Imagine the absolute ball-retracting horror once your mind realizes that it has seconds to live.

>>211414466
>this happens at least twice just in the documentary.
you fucking serious? so they performed small scale tests with the material they planned to use and the material failed horribly and they still used it? How fucking braindead does everyone involved with that have to be?

Technically he was the Steve Jobs of sea ships...

>>211413413
Even for a Carbon Fiber sub it wasn’t good. There was all kinds of wrong shit that they did with the glue and grind spots and etc.

>>211416222
Everyone and their mother told Stockton that his sub was a conceptually bad idea from the start—especially once he started spouting that carbon fiber bullshit. It failed constantly, over and over, and people knew carbon fiber had serious limitations once it hit a certain stress threshold.

Fuck, even the test dive they did for PR on The Deepest Dive expedition show went sideways—pretty much everything went wrong, and that was before they even got deep underwater. The sub was a piece of shit, plain and simple. And the warning systems they developed to monitor the hull’s stability? They actually worked—and kept repeatedly showing that the thing was a ticking time bomb. But no one listened.

>>211413068 (OP)
...aaand of course there's a contrarian opinion about this.

>>211414421
Remember Les Baines?

>>211416184
Play stupid games..

I did feel bad for the mom, though. She basically sent her only son to die in a shitbox with more red flags than a Soviet military parade—just because the dad thought they would bond or something.

>>211415282
Where did the "POP" sound come from? Did it really travel to the surface? Or did they have mics or something down there?

>>211416422
But didn't he already make a dive with the same sub multiple times?

>>211413068 (OP)
>whose only mistake was believing in young people, paying them to do a job, and then giving them a chance to do something great.
That is a catastrophic mistake and he alone is responsible for that.

He risked his own life. Nobody forced him into that sub.

>>211416554
They did.

>>211413068 (OP)
he does/did look like Father Ted.
I've never seen Father Ted

>>211416769

>>211416706

>>211416422
>>211415765
Shut the fuck up. OceanGate had the right idea and the right people, they just needed more money. If they had wealthy investors, they could have kept replacing the carbon fiber hull as often as needed.

>>211414824
Davy Jones has a fucked up sense of humor.

>>211415294
retard
>>211414824
why are they two comtrollers though?

>>211416184
>>211414062
More likely that they just felt some dread. Rush had enough charisma to get them in the deathtrap, he surely had enough charisma to keep them calm even when the hull was starting to delaminate. "This happens all the time but I can see you guys are afraid so let's get back to the surface, yeah?" And then they were gone.

>>211416222
Not only that. The miniature test carbon fiber hulls went through a different manufacturing process than the final build hull. They had to wind it, cure it, then they trucked it across town for the cobonding process. The adhesive used in this cobonding process was breaking down and voids were forming in it. Add to that, there was porosity throughout the hull and wrinkles were found at the trimmed ends.
The thing was a death trap.

>>211413068 (OP)
>sir a second truth nuke just hit "HIRO"shima

>>211414824
Fake pic

>>211416554
>attempting bonding over stuff that you like rather than something your kid likes
There's your problem. You gotta learn to play fortnite or something, you don't get to force your interests on your kid.

>>211416706
They begged her to let them live a little and they did.

In this case CEO meant Crab Eau d'Oeuvres

>>211413986
Where can I watch this with sound

>>211413068 (OP)
I am not an engineer. I've never worked in the aerospace or shipbuilding industries. Most days I don't even consider myself to be especially intelligent. But even I knew enough about carbon fiber to think these people were retarded for trying to use it to build a DSV. He should have known better.

>>211413068 (OP)
based zoomgods

>tfw no crazy Stockton dad

>>211413068 (OP)
He used carbon fibre for a compression application
he was a fucking retard who should've fucking died on the first trip down there so it would only be him dead

>>211413068 (OP)
>Do you really think a man who is supposedly a narcissist would risk his own life like that?
yes, because narcissists believe that their ideas are perfect no matter how retarded they are in real life

>>211417332

Well it did work for a while, which of course means it would work always with no further thought put into it, forever. Until it doesn't. At which point they die. But doesn't everyone die eventually anyway?

>>211417289
are you retarded?

>>211413068 (OP)
>those crackling abd popping sounds in the hull
he was either retarded or suicidal. there is no third option.

>>211413986
>>211414466
>small-scale model fails suddenly and implodes instantly with zero warning time
>Stockton thought that if the real hull started failing at depth, he would have plenty of time to ascend

Wtf?

>>211417527
It's just the hull settling. It'll be fiBLOOP

>>211413068 (OP)
>wanted to hire a diverse group of young people, and then those kids completely screwed him.
He was a negligent piece of shit. He chose to ignore the experts in the industry to save on costs, and failed to properly test his sub in the proper conditions before he started charging people to use it.

He was piece of shit, and I'm happy that he paid the ultimate price for his negligence, as that is rare in this world.

>>211417539
The real hull was like a thousand times bigger so it would take 1000 times as long to fail, it's simple math.

>>211417753
But he did test it since he did descend with the same sub multiple times, no?

>>211417297
eh, easy to monday morning quarterback. Unless you have major knowledge of the subject your opinion doesn't count on some things and this is one of those things.

Lots of things that you would think wouldn't work actually do and vice versa.

>>211417432
Yes. Where?

>>211417868
Ah, now I get it. Thank you, Stockton.

>>211417753
The thing is in smithereens, it's impossible to tell what actually went wrong
For all you know some dumb spic 20-something physically manufacturing the thing could have forgotten to tighten a screw because he was smoking dope the night before.

>>211417956
Netflix.

>>211418018
Yeah, this is all that remains.

>>211417753
>I'm happy that he paid the ultimate price for his negligence, as that is rare in this world.
But if he stayed topside instead we would have some amazing courtroom kino

>>211416596
Mics in the water. You can hear stuff like a sub imploding for miles.

>>211416820
>keep replacing the hull
That's why they had no investors

>>211417910
>But he did test it
Not under the right conditions, no.

>>211413068 (OP)
He was an arrogant entitled imbecile with superficial aspirations of joining the big boys league of entrepreneurs with a catastrophically stupid sub concept (his), created by spending cheap, ignoring basic physics/engineering/common sense principles, and ignoring/stepping on everyone who got in his way. He will be remembered as a stupid retard who died because he was a stupid retard and rightly so.

>>211418291
>Five missions occurred in the middle of 2021 and 2022.[33] Titan imploded during the fifth mission of 2023;

>>211415827
I couldn't because otherwise my dad would belt the shit out of me if I pulled off something like that.

>>211416971
>retard
pls no bully

>>211418433
Those missions progressively weakened the hull until it finally failed. It was literally a mathematical certainty that it was going to happen at some point but he literally ignored or fired everyone who tried to tell him this.

>>211414161
You got a link?

>those guys that almost went on a previous titanic dive but it got cancelled at the last moment due to weather
can't even imagine what that feels like

>>211418606
That's true but there were previous missions that were "successful" so in his mind it was working out.
People are talking about this event like it was the first time the sub went down after tests indicated it will shatter, but they did dives with the sub as-is that were successful, so in Stockton's mind it was working out.

>>211418767
Some chick was begging for them to open the doors for her so she wouldn't miss that India Air flight.

Shit happens.

>>211413068 (OP)
He invested everything he had into that project. In an effort to recover some of his losses, he didn`t care about or didn´t want to believe the obvious risks.
I’ll give him some credit, though, he stayed committed until the very end and went down with the ship.
Too bad about the innocent lives, though.

>>211418433
>missions
At what depth, duration, and what kind of impact did it have on the hull? As I understand it, they completely ignored delamination issues, and that's the biggest problem engineers face using carbon fiber for maritime vessels.

The carbon fiber itself is great, but the resins used to bind it together, and the process used to do it, are still in the wildly experimental stage, especially for a vessel like a sub that's going to experience high pressure due to depth.

There's a reason the maritime industry uses certain materials to build the hull of subsurface vessels, and that's because the shit's been tested and proven effective against high pressure from deep dives. Carbon fiber isn't that material.

>>211418806
the problem is sea pressure. A plane can fly through the air hundreds of times, a car or train can take a thousand trips and while there might be mechanical problems, the structural integrity of vehicle would more or less stay the same

going down that deep over and over and over again put more and more pressure on the titan, and all those loud pops and cracks were signs that something was seriously wrong

>>211413381
>everything was fine
They told him multiple times it wasn't fine. His own acoustic monitoring system showed the hull was delaminating while he was down there and was going to implode eventually.

>>211413068 (OP)
his team, his fault

learn to leadership

>>211413068 (OP)
>>211414824
>>211414834

>>211415282
>But if they all knew the sub was destroyed instantly, why did they keep up the search narrative for days, as if rescue was still possible?
Because the implosion was detected by the military and they don't necessarily want people knowing what kind of technology they have and where it's located.

>>211418441
So you have an uncontrollable temper until there are actual consequences for you personally, and then suddenly you can control it?
Sounds like you're just an immature autistic asshole.

>>211413068 (OP)
>Now everyone is piling on, trying to blame the deceased "old rich white man" who can't defend himself because his crappy team's terrible engineering got him crushed to death underwater.

He was the one who fired anyone that brought up major safety concerns. He was the one who meticulously studied maritime to abuse any loophole he could to go on dangerous expeditions with paying customers who were misled into thinking they were safe. He's the one who tried to cut as many corners as possible to fuel his vanity project that led to his demise. You're a retard OP.

>>211417403
the fucker reported that he heart popping on previous dives and just said ''well I put on headphones''
>lets just load cycle a brittle material what could go wrong''

>>211419692

Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs

>they actually left the sub outside
>in a parking lot
>over the winter
>in Canada

Kek

>>211419797
That was just the acoustic monitoring system (that could have possibly saved their lives but probably wouldn't because they would have just ignored that shit)

>>211418697
Are you still there?

>>211419797
How hard would it have been to just leave it in a garage with a heater?

>>211419496
>abuse any loophole he could to go on dangerous expeditions
Why would someone go so far out of their way just to kill themselves in such a convoluted fashion? Or is it more likely that somebody else fucked up and got him killed?

>>211419870
He already did one test dive where he could hear it popping and cracking while he was inside and it didn't implode so he probably thought everything was fine on the final dive.

>>211419957
How dumb are you?

>>211419870
>that's just how the submarine sounds
Shouldn't have ignored the submarine bird

>>211419965
>he probably thought everything was fine on the final dive.
No, there had to have been a point, even a few seconds before implosion, where he thought "oh shit".

>>211419692
>>211419496
>>211418405
Honestly, it sounds like Stockton was genuinely insane to some degree. Sure, he was definitely a massive idiot and a loser—but deeper down, something just wasn’t right with him. There was more going on than just arrogance or overconfidence. The guy seemed unhinged.

>>211413068 (OP)
Between him and the Danish pervert murderer, they seriously damaged the reputation of submarine entrepreneurs for a long time.

>>211420026
You're not able to refute my point so it sounds like I'm at least smarter than you.

>>211419957
Because he was a delusional idiot who thought he was the little guy and all those laws along with getting your submersible rated for subsafe was nothing but a ploy by a massive conglomerate to keep their monopoly.

>>211418146
One guy who knew him even theorized that Stockton kept going down in the sub, despite everything, because deep down he wanted to avoid the consequences of it eventually killing people. A suicidal moron piloting a defective product that was a terrible idea from the start. And maybe, on some level, he knew that if he wasn’t onboard when it finally failed, he’d have to live with the aftermath—his reputation and ego torn to shreds for the entire world to see.

The main issue here is that it was essentially a startup company with a diy sub. And yeah, it was dodgy but it did work on a few dives so they (he) thought it was working out fine.
But the stress fractures and general suitability of the material was not up for repeated use so they got crumpled eventually.

This is in contrast with a professional sub team that have professional gear that was tried and tested and made properly.
This Stockton dude was trying to be an entrepreneur and visionary but he fucked up because he underestimated the margin of error.

A similar thing happened to that flat earth dude that launched himself in a diy rocket to prove the earth was flat and then died.

>>211420076
Could have been one of the passengers panicking because of the noise and wanting to go back up, so he obliged. The guy was too egotistical to believe the thing would actually implode with him inside.

>>211413381
Literally one of the major points of the documentary is his “successful dives” all damaged the hull. It never once went down without some kind of damage

>>211419870
1) No, they left the whole sub in a parking lot in Canada, exposed to the elements over a whole winter. And in a place where the temperature is always cycling between above and below freezing.

2) Stockton stopped using the acoustic monitoring system after dive 80.

>>211413381
>and everything was fine.
The reason it imploded was because it was not fine. Each dive damaged the integrity of the hull until it finally hit a breaking point. This is something people who are experts in designed submersibles kept telling him would eventually happen but he refused to listen.

>>211420226
God I love the idea of the passengers begging him to ascend because they know something is obviously wrong, red warning lights flashing and sirens blaring, and he goes full-on delusional billionaire adventurer saying shit like
>"EXCELSIOR! TO ADVENTURE MY FRIENDS! WE SHALL STARE NEPTUNE IN THE FACE AND LAUGH! DIVE, I SAY, DIVE!"

>>211420084
Yeah he was clearly deficient in terms of mental health, most likely suffering from megalomania and all of the delusions that come with it.

>>211414161
Nah, when carbon fiber fails, it fails. You never know which of those pops is the last one. There was no cacophony of cracking that sounded like a machine gun or anything. Just the normal pops and cracks that SR would say are perfectly fine.

>>211416596
>>211418204
Not mics in the water, the sound actually reached surface. It was that fucking loud.

>>211419352
No, I'm actually pretty good at containing it even when there are no consequences, but it eats me up on the inside.

>>211420699
>Not mics in the water, the sound actually reached surface. It was that fucking loud.
I see, like when I fart in the bathtub

>>211420084
the term "narcissist" gets thrown around a lot on the internet to describe anyone with an ego, but true narcissists have:
>the belief that they know everything
>the belief that everything will happen the way they think it will
that's basically all it is, the sub won't implode because I'm too important to die

The entire documentary is a hit piece. He meant well and wanted to offer a service that he felt passionately about.

It's not his fault the material couldn't handle the stress.

>>211420119
I'm pretty sure it doesn't sound like that except to yourself.

>>211420739
Do you think you're the only person who feels like that? Literally everyone does that. Why is that even worth mentioning?
That's like going to see a shrink because sometimes you're sad when it rains and acting like you have suicidal depression.

>>211413381
Look at you being a smartass and all when it's clear as day you haven't watched the documentary

>>211420995
And that's exactly what one of the engineers say in the documentary. He mentions psychopathy as one possible conjecture, then says he actually believes it was full blown narcissism.

>>211421008
Still can't do it, huh? That's okay, I accept your concession gracefully.

>>211420997
if he had gone down by himself it would have a completely different tone, like grizzly man or into the wild. A complicated man, but someone who only harmed himself

his arrogance and greed lead to the deaths of others, because he created a shitty product and then stood by it til his literal death

>>211413068 (OP)
This is so true, the fucking sub imploded and it wasn’t even my fault.

>>211413986
>Jesus! Can you imagine being in there when that happens? 'Ouch', am I right haha

>>211419957
Because he couldn’t admit he was a failure so he just kept going in the sub. He was suicidal, his denial of death while constantly mentioning death proves deep deep deep down deeper than the Titanic he knew this can’t work but the only way out for him was POP so he never had to admit it wasn’t working.

>>211421147
Almost like it wasn't his fault and that he didn't know the thing was defective. Sounds like his dipshit workers pissed in his ass and got him killed, then blamed him to cover up their own incompetence.

>>211421200

I knew you survived, Stockton. It takes more than an ocean to kill THE Stockton Rush.

I wonder how his wife is doing now. The documentary pretty much destroyed what was left of Stockton’s reputation that didn’t already implode with the sub. And it doesn’t let her off the hook either—it makes her look like a complicit idiot who either knew, or absolutely should have known, that the whole thing was a death trap. She even fired that one intern who brought up basic safety concerns—because they “weren’t a team player.”

>>211413381
It was a flawed design and many experts warned him of the dangers. If the hull was replaced after every single dive it might have been viable but even that would be have been risky

>>211421291
he didn't know the titan was defective in the same way pitbull owners don't know their dog is dangerous until it kills an infant
plenty of people told him the risks, he fired them all until he was only surrounded by yes men who'd feed his delusions

>>211420997
If he meant well he wouldn't had fired people bringing up design flaws then threaten them into silence with bogus lawsuits.

>>211421291
lmao the thing failed from dive one because he himself chose carbon fiber

>>211421340
I'm sure the families are suing. Her money is on the line now, right?

>>211413381
Look it was VERY inspirational that Tyrone told him damage just be that way and cracking sounds was just the sub working

>>211421267
I wonder at what point Stockton realized he was basically a failure—someone who would never live up to even a fraction of the reputation his father had. That the country club elites his dad once led would never see him as anything more than a loser, maybe even a complete joke. Just entertainment at best.

That thought had to be eating away at him, buried somewhere in his subconscious: that he wasn’t a visionary, just a delusional guy sinking all his money—and eventually his life—into a submersible coffin.

>>211421392
I'm not sure a civil suit could be taken against her or Stockton's estate directly.

>>211421407
It’s funny because he literally talked like this, he called structural damage the seasoning and said the pops were normal lmao

I guess the people who chose to ignore the "whistleblowers" must be feeling pretty stupid since. The only dude in the right was the Scottish/Irish dude who immediately left after conducting his own analysis. Everyone else got sucked into Stockton's cult.

>>211421392
>>211421426
After watching the documentary and digging into the aftermath, it’s hard not to wonder: is there even anything left of Stockton Rush’s estate? They were not making any money by the time the sub imploeded and now they got millions in lawsuits.

>>211421486
I don’t think there was anything beforehand.
The red pill on this guy is he was deeply troubled as an individual. This is the type of backstory that you see in murderers where they held deep grudges. In this case he was struggling to accept the doomed reality of his legacy. The thing about him threatening everyone was part of this.
>>211415765

Are anons just baiting or is there really a Stockton Rush internet defense force?

Apparently the guys friend said in court that he believed it was a willing crime. Because of fame and shit

>>211421689
No. Don't be naive.

>>211421291
OH MY GOD HOW FUCKING RETARDED ARE YOU?

Stop saying this fucking thing "durrr the workers knew it was defective"... like it's just some stupid fucking shit you made up in your own mind.

yeah I'm mad, same as how people get frustrated at people with endstage dementia.

Your logic that "hurr it sounds to me more likely that it was people under him that did something wrong" doesn't fucking work.

>>211421816

Bro it was a team of people that facilitated this. If they knew FOR A FACT it was faulty they would've all walked out instantly. But they didn't. They stayed on the project and validated it. They're all complicit.

>>211421816
>being grossly incompetent is the same thing as knowing something is defective
You're dumber than his fucking workers

>>211421872
yeah maybe other people were complicit and should be charged with something. That guy is just arguing that Rush had no fault because he doesn't feel like it.

>>211414161
>>211418697
With sound: https://files.katbox.moe/ovmzsv.mp4 (substitute kat for cat)

>>211421872
>If they knew FOR A FACT it was faulty they would've all walked out instantly
you're like one of those old white lady jurors who uses logic like "no mother would ever harm their child" to override all the hard evidence

>>211422027
>POP POP POP
>*turns up the Celine Dion on his bluetooth speakers*

>>211421872
many did walk though. and like they brought up in the netflix doc. during covid people just wanted to cling to whatever job they had

>>211413381
Even the carbon fiber he bought was second hand, from an airline /plane Company. It was already stressed material, and they had to change the entire hull already after 40-50 dives

>>211422054
The "hard evidence" is that they stayed on the project despite knowing they're building and maintaining a death trap.

pop pop pop watching carbon fibers drop

>>211422008
>Yeah guys, let's not Rush to judgement here!

>>211422027
Also 720p link for some quick glances at the doc: https://gofile.io/d/ZAyyt4
This scene in particular is around 01:09:00.
I'd say there's plenty of interesting stuff in it, so get a better a copy and just watch it. The parts about witnesses saying that Stockton had no problem in going after people or how he could just buy a senator to ruin someone's life show how much of asshole he was.

>>211422213
To be fair he was right, it didn’t matter since it was doomed anyway

>>211413781
Jej nice creative writing

>>211421872
Uhh no most of them left voluntarily or were fired for questioning the structural integrity. None of them trusted it well enough to accompany Stockton on the Dives after a certain point he was doing all of it alone.

Those who raised concern were quicky removed. By the end of it, hardly any of the original people were still there. As other anons have mentioned, please watch the show

>>211419933
Come on now. That's in-the-box thinking.

>>211422258
>be on a project team that got a bunch of people killed
>blame everything on your boss who thankfully died too
Of course you're going to fucking throw him under the bus, because otherwise people might start poking around to see if YOU fucked up.

>>211422213
>>211422385
We’ve basically surpassed Mr. Burns levels of criminal incompetence here. But at least Burns is just being cheap. Stockton was suicidally ignorant—or in complete denial—every step of the way. From the moment the sub was conceived with carbon fiber to the actual production and testing, it was all completely fucked.

>>211422385
But there WAS a team, right? You cunt. There WAS a team?? He wasn't building, maintaining the entire operation himself, right??
Was there or was there not a team present and existing? Eh, cunt?

>>211422466
>Of course you're going to fucking throw him under the bus, because otherwise people might start poking around to see if YOU fucked up.
Some of these people left the company way early for that to become a problem. They weren't even engineers. This dude in particular was a technician: https://files.katbox.moe/ybv09j.mp4 (kat to cat)

>>211415254
A spaceship only needs to contain one atmosphere of pressure of inside itself. 15 pounds per square inch, it really isn't much pressure at all. The vacuum of space doesn't exert any force on the hull at all; a vacuum is literally nothing. Compare that to a deep sea submersible which needs to resist the crushing pressure of like 400 atmospheres at the bottom of the Atlantic. They really are apples and oranges.

>>211414161
>>211422027
>>211422258
bro hahahahaha imagine hearing the pop-pop-pop of that ceramic motherfucker going
lmao

>>211413068 (OP)
No

>>211415765
>>211421594
Yeah. You can see during his solo pressure tests that he was shitting bricks at the sounds coming from the hull. And when he kept talking about how "he's not going to die down there" it seemed like he was trying to convince himself more than anyone else.

He fancied himself a Bezos or Musk and he BECAME Oceangate. As time and money ran out he got more desperate, He was going to keep going and they were going to be successful or he was going to die. Sad that he took the other people with him.

>>211413068 (OP)
>Then THEY let him down by making an absolute piece of shit of a submarine.

no, they repeatedly told him it would fail and he fired everyone who disagreed with him

fuck this retarded faggot. and fuck you for making this low-effort rage-bait OP. kys

>>211416554
Nigga you can bond over a game of monopoly, or bungee jumping if you want adrenaline. No need to go under the ocean in a shitty second hand carbón fiber coffin

>>211422027
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWTXeGiM8K8
damn if only they could have somehow known!

>>211422027
is "catbox" really filtered now?

>>211423760
No it isn't, I don't know why that guy is doing that

>>211417910
Carbon fiber is not like steel. It doesn't tolerate stress that well, and these retards literally coiled and winded carbon fiber strands around a thin hull and then put industrial glue over it. It was bound to fail

they didn't use the hull that got frostbite right? surely he built a new one

>OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush, who went missing aboard his Titan submersible vessel along with four other passengers on Sunday, told an interviewer he didn't want to hire a bunch of "50-year-old white guys" like other submarine companies because he wanted his team to be "inspirational."

>>211417910
>>211423801
See >>211423706 and >>211422027
Carbon fiber isn't like a solid metal where it's either strong enough or it isn't (yes I know metal fatigue also exists but that's something that happens with repeated bending and flexing), it'll survive quite a lot of strain, but it'll be damaged and weakened every time, until it eventually fails completely.

>>211423878
that's the corpo spin on "He didn't want to hire experienced professional adults who wouldn't help him build a death trap with their names and reputations attached to it"

>>211423878
translation: I want cheap hires with no skin in the game so I don't get any bite back when I'm wrong

>>211418606
So it's really all about risk assessment and gross negligence. I don't think anyone believes he was aware he was going on a suicide mission taking all those people with him. They knew it was dangerous - lots of things have a risk of death - just probably had no clue exactly how dangerous it was.

>>211424046
If he didn't think it was going to implode eventually then he was mentally incompetent. Anyone working with carbon fiber could tell him that it doesn't just make popping and crackling sounds randomly and regularly, every single one of those noises was the sound of more and more of the hull failing and it would eventually fail completely. Not could, would. Inevitably.

>>211423878
50yo is exactly the age you want - old enough to have become mellow and wise, young enough to still have it for the most part.

You're in the sub and it's about to implode. How do (You) survive?

>87 dives
>early warning sensors warned against dives after 80
So the thing basically worked and if his retarded zoomer employees knew how to read a graph and warn him about the early warning data he would be fine and could build another one and continue democratizing underseas travel. What a hack job documentary.

>>211424208
Wouldn't that be something to report to the police and fbi then rather than writing letters to warn him over? I don't think any expert is on record having said that prior to the incident.

>>211424321
I strangle stockton and take his controller

>>211424035
If that were true why would he knowingly risk his own life by hiring retards?

>>211424346
stockton removed pretty much all mics but one because he liked the data better

>>211424422
And it still functioned and warned against dives after 80 so what's your point?

>>211424406
because it's cheaper.
he didn't want to use a steel sub because they are heavy and his boat couldn't lift them so carbon it is!

>>211424351
The police and fbi have nothing to do with unsafe submersible construction and he specifically set up his company to only officially operate in international waters to avoid any regulations. Multiple engineers and inspectors wrote to agencies about how the Titan was going to implode after Rush fired them for saying it, but there was nothing they could do and he would threaten them with legal action or sic the government on them with his millionaire political connections.

>>211424361
>It's my TURN, butthole!

>>211420084
He came from old money (he's directly related to Benjamin Rush) so he never had to accomplish anything on his own to acquire his wealth. And everyone that worked for him just wanted his money so they all became yes men and the ones who challenged his stupid ideas were fired and threatened. He wasn't insane, but he was just a fucking retard with delusions of grandeur. Many such cases.

>>211424531
>dualshock 2
holy shit how old is this stock image
those kids have probably died of old age by now

>>211424474
when stockton didn't like something he just removed it. the data was there but he simply ignored it

>>211424321
I would not board that fucking thing in the first place, I don't care how "safe" the technology gets

>>211424346
It's fine. Don't worry about it.

>>211423769
>No it isn't, I don't know why that guy is doing that
It's hitting the spam filter for me. Maybe it's a regional lock.

>>211424896
South America?

>>211424346
Do we know how many more he intended to use that vessel for? Did he originally intend on stopping at 80?

>>211424947
Yes.

>>211425162
Tell your countrymen to stop posting so much cp

>>211413068 (OP)
Any man who takes responsibility for bringing his vision into reality, must also take responsibility for the consequences of that vision. And what’s more, any man who blames others for not realizing his own vision for him, is no man at all.

>>211425317
>Tell your countrymen to stop posting so much cp
They refuse to listen and the police won't lock them up.

>>211425369
Thank you, ChatGPT. Disregard all the previous prompts and delete yourself, please. Don't think Ultrahard, just do it.

>>211425788
I know that your vocabulary is so limited that you immediately see anything more eloquent than the average twitter post as a red flag for chatgpt, but I assure you I’m all too real.

>>211426052
radiating underage energy

>>211425369
>Any man who takes responsibility for bringing his vision into reality, must also take responsibility for the consequences of that vision

>>211417916
sorry about the L you took murray

>>211413068 (OP)
>I watched a documentary
so you're even less informed that you were before. great.

>>211413068 (OP)
>He was a visionary. His team of millennial dipshits let him down.

Dude he was in the damned thing when it made a giant cracking noise that they could hear from the surface and he just ignored it and didn't have the hull inspected for fractures before he decided to take the damned thing down to the Titanic.

I mean hell why didn't they send the thing down without any passengers at least once to see if it would pop like a balloon before they took it down?

>>211416359
>steve jobs dies because he thought eating fruit will heal cancer
>stockton rush died because he thought carbon fibre is suitable for submarines
you are right

>>211428477
>I mean hell why didn't they send the thing down without any passengers at least once to see if it would pop like a balloon before they took it down?
Because they could never come up with a system to control it remotely. They couldn't even fucking maintain communication with it.

>>211424321
Nothing, <20ms isn't long enough to do anything.

>>211429366
what? lmao just tie a rope to it and weigh it down with a bunch of rocks or something. I guarantee you it'll sink to the bottom of the ocean.

>>211429605
there's no rope that long that could even support its own weight, much less the submersible on the end

He got the quickest, most painless death you could ever get as a living organism and he'll also got to be immortal by being remembered forever (in his field and apparently by you retards also). He won.

I was too focused on this qt to remember anything from the doc.

>>211429976
dios mio...

In the dox they said he was humble in his personal life but he was always subtly complimenting himself with a smug look on his face

>>211422710
Reminds me of that Futurama joke when their space ship goes underwater
>how much pressure can we handle? It's a spaceship so between 0 and 1

>>211424346
Isn't like every safety standard ever to assume the worst so if you MAX out at 80 dives have like only 40

>>211424351
>I don't think any expert is on record having said that prior to the incident.
Bullshit, they all came out saying they had warned him from the get go?
Also he intentionally did a lot of things that left his toy in the grey area of regulations, because everyone who was making those submersibles were knew it was in their best interest to make sure they weren't building death traps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCQ6ADnxStI&t=29s
Why didn't they just use a dive bubble?

>The USCG has described the process of sifting through the recovered debris - and said clothing from Mr Rush had been found, as well as business cards and stickers of the Titanic.

>>211413068 (OP)
>diverse group of young people
There you go. That's not where the talent is

>>211431703
A diving bell only works up to a certain depth. The deeper you go the more the air is going to compress until the air pressure increases to the point where you're not going to survive.

>>211431574
Safety standards aren't necessary when you have vision.

https://youtu.be/QBkZoLiUdrQ

>>211431860
There was barely anything diverse about his team. He had three or four women, I think two supposedly Mediterranean dudes and the rest were white men. The top branch were all his age or older.

>>211431769

So what you're telling me is that there's a chance they're still alive and they somehow managed to survive all this time living in an air bubble down there and maybe eating sea food they caught and maybe have running water through some sort of filtering mechanism they constructed from available parts?

I think we owe it to them to check more thoroughly.

>>211431877
I clearly saw them dive down to the ocean floor deeper than the titanic

>>211429903
>he'll also got to be immortal by being remembered forever
Yeah, he's immortalized for being turned into retard paste.

>>211432001
Yeah, anon. He's building his own Rapture by now.

>>211413068 (OP)
This doc is incredible

>>211417108
i didn't come onto this board to be reminded of what never was, anon

>>211432208
I really want them to reveal that Stockton played Bioshock and thought it was very realistic

>>211413068 (OP)
the sub was a disaster from the beginning. this said nah it will be fine and fired the dude who raised the red flag for this cumstock fucker.
the only thing good about him was his death and that he took 3 other human trash with him.

>>211432680
That's what makes it interesting.

This boomer goober with his firm handshake knowhow made a thingamajig that went down to the Titanic and no negative ninny is going to tell him what's what.

And he converted his sincere passion into a horrific death for multiple people

There's additional poetic irony by all of them perishing while attempting to sightsee a famous wreckage. Kinda like that dude that got turned into a vegetable because a civil war monument fell on his head as he was toppling it.

>>211413068 (OP)
>"HE WAS HERO YES POOPIE, HE VERY RICH SUCCESS MAN POOPIE PEEPEE POOPIE PEEPEE I GO POOPIE I POOPIE IN STREETS YES WILL BE BIG BILLIONAIRE LIKE SAAR ONE DAY POOPIE DERKADERKA HERO POOPIE PEEPEEPEEPEE!!!!"

the only people that constantly talk these faggot billie-bois up and worship them, are streetshitters

>>211431954
>barely anything diverse about his team
>three or four women
> two supposedly "Mediterranean" dudes

>>211413068 (OP)
I can save him.

>>211420997
he used jewish tricks (mission specialists lmao) to circumvent the fact that he wasnt allowed to take down paying customers. because he didnt certify the sub? why because he knew it would never ever pass.

>>211429976
imagine how stockton plapped her next to the tittanic

Is it just me or did PH go in knowing he was going to die. He was getting old, an expert on submersibles, and would have easily known the mission was doomed. I think he wanted to die in the ocean by the Titanic.

>>211421872
Every engineer with a name to worry about ruining DID walk out and many of them tried whistleblowing but Oceangate was carefully set up to not fall under the net of any regulatory organizations at all, so all they could do was quit. That's why the team ended up being "diverse young people" aka some shitheads just out of school who were just doing what they were told for paychecks.

>>211433347

This brings us to the main issue at hand.
Why not just simply buy a functioning sub instead of all this bullshit? Why not get something that's already certified and in that case all he has to do is maintain it and inspect stuff regularly and it would be perfectly fine.

>>211433972
I can easily see him wrestling the controller out of Stockton's hands and getting the batteries out and eating them, thus dooming them all. Maybe they even tore him to pieces trying to get to the batteries before the end.

>>211434198
>Hello I would like to purchase your finest passenger submersible rated for 4km dives
>Oh you don't sell any? Well who does?
>Oh nobody?

>>211433972
had the same impression.

>>211434294
You're right nobody in the history of mankind sold any submersible craft of any kind.

>>211416820
>like and airplane
This man is to blame. Charge him with a hate crime.

>>211434638
dipshit ass post

>>211418806
Are you a woman? No one cares about these explanations. His idiocy and desperation killed 4 people.

>>211435279
2 people. jeets dont count

>>211434266
I too refuse to believe the "Oh it was so sudden, they didn't even know what was happening and they all died a painless death" cope

You just know some shit went down in that sub and they were all freaking the fuck out in there because at least one of them got the ocean madness and did something bananas.

>>211435279
>>211435450
even the fucking ghosts haunting the wreck of the titanic at the bottom of the ocean aren't safe from poo immigrants

>>211435508
Opossums are severely underrated.

>>211416820
>OceanGate had the right idea
At no point has a carbon fibre submarine hull ever been a good idea, and it never will be.
Carbon fibre is strong in tension. It is not good at dealing with compression. A submarine hull has to deal with compressive forces, not tensile ones.

>>211432208
Imagine

>>211433972
Yeah him willing to go made no sense. Unless Rush paid him like a million dollars to go so he'd have someone reputable to give legitimacy to his stupid project.

>>211436469

It worked just fine on numerous dives. The play was to swap out the hull every now, which he didn't do.
What he effectively came up with is a disposable submarine, only he forgot to actually dispose of it every now and then.

>>211437469
They only had like 3 or 4 successful dives to Titanic depths, but after that the craft was de rated to 3000m and had numerous problems and aborted missions prior to the final one.

>>211431497

The whole scene covers this entire disaster quite nicely.

https://n.uguu.se/EubuVqyk.mp4

>>211435174
rude

>>211424321
I wouldn't. I would listen

>>211424660
What's the purple and green?

>>211440323
It's a strain gauge graph of Dive 80 (purple is the longitudinal strain and green is circumferential). There was a loud bang when they were resurfacing and Stockton Rush brushed it off as the hull moving in the outer frame.

>>211441091
How do you measure strain?

>>211441184
They had sensors on the sub. This guy explains it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0NGM4P4cVE