Something in the water made modern storytelling really fucking bad

All the mainstream media you've ever consumed has been written by the same handful of kikes, literally. And mainstream media represents exactly that, the mainstream. If storytelling for you has gotten really fucking bad, that's because peop-I mean niggercattle, have gotten absolutely and utterly stupid while you keep consuming ever more increasing amounts of slop.
Stop it.

maybe you're just not very smart and your opinions aren't very well-informed

>>211487261
>maybe trannies are in fact the real women

>>211487131 (OP)
Go back to /a/

>>211487131 (OP)
its pretty simple:
jews dont want to be held responsible for their actions, and you using violence against them is the only way they will ever be held responsible since they control all other venues of justice.

>shut up pol

insert what ever group you feel rules over you, it doesnt really matter.

>>211487312
Implying >revenge bad hasn't been the staple of television for the past 10 years

>>211487323
Manga is in no way, shape or form related to television & Film at all.

thorfinn is such a cuck its unreal

>>211487131 (OP)
>speaking in absolutes
If only we had a wise storyteller to warn us of the flaws in this thinking...

>>211487131 (OP)
Its liberal/capitalist type values.
Our societies are rife with these types of value exclamations that are wholly unmoored from tradition.

One makes a Viking saga adaptation, and injects an ethos that has really only existed for 50 something years, in a specific time period, and a specific socio-economic era that wont exist 20-30 years in the future.

This ironically makes the work extremely dated. It will be viewed as a form of psychosis. Everything is already fraying at the edges
>you're a chud!
Yes I am. But your views are the ones that'll be extinct in a short while.

>>211487334
The form and content is familiar tho. We have seen it numerous films

>>211487131 (OP)
We made it illegal to smack your kids, and so we spawned multiple generations of entitled narcissists who believe themselves invincible and their morality infallible, and they will burden us all for the rest of their miserable lives.

>>211487247
Star Wars in particular has been ground zero for the shittiest kind of storytelling, at least in the Lucas era it was all flash no real substance but now it's just pure goyim propaganda with lightsabers

>>211487448
>But your views are the ones that'll be extinct in a short while.

two more weeks lol

>>211487533
There's clear differences between Lucas-era storytelling and yidsney, don't kid yourself.

Luke ultimately succeeds in saving his father through familial bonds and love and self-sacrifice.
Its ultimately a very christian story that wears eastern spirituality like a costume.

>>211487565
Cute graphic

Liberalism has failed.

>>211487131 (OP)
It's genuine baffling how someone who could write a character as compelling as Askeladd could drop the ball so hard later on. The manga/anime after Askeladd dies feels like a bad joke, a version of the "weary warrior becomes a pacifist due to his traumatic past" so shallow and pathetic that it borders on parody.

>>211487131 (OP)
It's not in the water. It's in the universities, your HR Department and local communist party

>>211487131 (OP)
Watch/read something that isn't low-T crybaby trash.

>>211487606
I know I know, and your pureblood seed will be worth a fortune when the vaxccattle die off!

>>211487591
The OT was too infantile for its themes, someone like Vader who committed genocide and worked for a cunning dictator wouldn't switch his sides in the manner that was presented by Lucas. Which is not to say that he was completely irredeemable, but Luke referred to his father as someone who was struggling with addictions, not a cold-blooded killer. There was no propaganda to speak of there, prequels didn't have it either, characters came first. So yes, everything post Disney is millions times worse.

>>211487131 (OP)
It's a problem of inspiration.
Celebrated writers tended to be inspired by the lives they lead or by tales of the classics. They were generally well read and wordly, so they had the multifaceted grasp on society that you need in order to write three dimensional characters and stories that resonate with normal people.

Current writers live in an echo chamber, which is bad enough, but a problem that could be alleviated by them actually reading/watching good stories and getting a grasp of humanity by proxy. But they don't.
Instead, they can be counted on to have only consumed children's media outside what was forced on them in english lessons, and even that is to facilitate their main passion of fanfiction.

The truly staggering part is that these are the people counted on to spread propaganda.
Why they haven't been ousted to let old school people who could actually write entertaining propaganda back in is beyond me.

>>211487665
You're talking some sort of tactical realism.
I'm talking the Christian concept of redemption - that even a blood stained husk of a man can see Christ and be reborn

That it is Luke's own father being saved, and that he previously was corrupted by Satan himself in a drawn out, catastrophic process makes it more poignant.

>>211487448
These works are overwhelmingly moored to a specifically liberal enlightenment tradition. You chuds just accuse everything of a lack of traditionalism when what you really mean is a lack of conformity to your values which you're projecting onto the west collectively. You're basically incapable of recognizing this tradition because you see it as illegitimate.
>Everything is already fraying at the edges
It's not, you just need that to be true, it's the foundation of your illiberalism.

>>211487339
He's such a fag for not fucking Canute

>>211487634
You're not talking to me at all. You're engaging in some sort of puppet play online. The human on the other end is entirely perfunctory.

This is the result of people growing up and learning the ropes talking to chat bots

>>211487131 (OP)
right. all these anti-vengeance talk lately unprovoked, in my media. i wonder what they're afraid of

>>211487849
Liberal enlightenment is a set of values that are unmoored from human reality - at its feverish heights of ideology the proponents lack the ability to discern reality from fiction or truth from lie.

The "tradition" of liberalism *is* illegitimate and has been proven to simply not work. Where is the end of history? Where is the racial utopia that the west was supposed to turn to? Why is the media we consume worse and worse for every year, every time the proponents of liberalism double down and introduce more of their ideology into the works ?

>>211487879
They overplayed their hand, if our society was smoothly pacified with cheap toys without making us too aware, this would've probably worked eventually. I suppose they're working on some kind of chemical castration to dump into water to correct the course

Hes right, don't kill your enemies

>>211487959
>don't kill your enemies
>oops, your enemies didn't share the same values, you're dead now

>>211487787
>pic
Man, i forget the story, i even forget the name of the manga.
But, i remember that i laugh when i looked at that panel and how the gun blew when someone used it.

>>211487131 (OP)
Ideals are good and something to strive for, but "whoever has the bigger stick makes the rules" is how the world actually runs.

>>211487131 (OP)
>here's a story about a guy who believes in paficism and tries to build a utopia around it, oh look people get killed and he fails
>WHY IS MODERN STORYTELLING SO BAD?
I dunno

>>211487906
>and has been proven to simply not work
Liberal democracies are overwhelmingly the most pleasant places on Earth to live and have disproportionately driven human society forward in terms of scientific or even cultural achievement.
>Where is the end of history?
Fukuyama got this idea from Marx, the liberal view is that society broadly progresses through scientific, technological, and economic development, which it has. Liberal democracies are home to some of the most long lived people with the best access to healthcare in the world that routinely eliminate harmful diseases.
>Where is the racial utopia that the west was supposed to turn to?
The fact that white people view each other as part of the same collective race and not as a million different ethnicities already demonstrates that inter-ethnic walls were successfully broken down, at least in the new world countries. Nobody gives a shit if your ancestors were French or German for the first time in basically forever. There's obviously some tension between different ethnicities but the fact we aren't killing each other and are able to fight it out verbally is huge.
>Why is the media we consume worse and worse for every year
I don't think it is and even if it were, shitty movies aren't evidence of society in decay.

>>211488123
>I don't think it is and even if it were, shitty movies aren't evidence of society in decay

That point alone undermines everything you said so I won't even bother

>>211487787
>>211488017
You guys knows where that gun come from?

>>211488172
Stop being retarded. Your attraction to illiberalism is a mere aesthetic 'vibe', it's indefensible and you know that. You have cultural concerns which are valid but throwing out the best system mankind has ever implemented because of movies is just stupid.

>>211488402
Ironic that you can't see how a system could be rotten while having some good things about it.

>>211488017
I think it's Shin Angyo Onshi
I'll never forget it
Omnipotent villain died because cape too long

>>211488402
>liberal democracy
>the best system mankind has ever implemented

>>211488417
I can comprehend that as a possibility but upon analysis I've found it's incorrect. The pros of liberalism have massively, overwhelmingly blown the fuck out of the cons.

>>211488471
Surely you're now going to name a better one.

>>211488486
Our society was good for a very brief period of time. Now we can't afford housing, food is becoming a luxury and working conditions are not improving. On paper we have it all good, in reality it's barely functioning and one economic collapse away from descending into chaos

>>211488487
Monarchy, duhh.

>>211488512
So you're not even going to try?

>>211488402
>>211487353
>>211487131 (OP)
Modern directors no longer have life experiences and instead only use other media as inspiration. That's why cinema has been shit these last 2 decades.

>>211488471
That's true. Look at the list of countries by HDI, notice something about the top 10?
Notice how everyone wants to migrate to a liberal democracy?
Ever heard about the Russian brain drain? Educated Russians overwhelmingly leave to find a better life elsewhere. Where do you think they're going? How many Germans or French are relocating to Russia for opportunities?

>>211488526
Try what? Catholic monarchy is the best system mankind has ever implemented.

>>211488545
Long term it's a race thing, mate.

>>211487334
Anime is television. Sorry bud.

>>211488471
>liberal democracy
>inexorably moving towards oligarchy
>rentier parasitism
>selling off future for immediate growth
>tendencies toward consumerism, atheism, depression
>chronically unhappy, unsure societies
>tabula rasa
>endless immigration/line go up
Its a sick system. Any positives are outweighed by later negatives,

>>211488549
Hmm, why did it all fall apart then? Why did it produce inbred incompetents?

>>211488510
Our society is still extremely good which is why everyone wants to move to liberal democracies and nobody wants to movie to illiberal states except people with few other options.
>Now we can't afford housing, food is becoming a luxury and working conditions are not improving
First off food is not becoming a luxury you histrionic autist.
While expensive housing sucks, you can actually vote for policies that change it or even form your own party that will try to fix things. What do you think happens if there's a housing crisis in an illiberal country? The state says "lol that sucks" and nothing changes until they decide to do something about it.
If you want better working conditions then use your LIBERAL RIGHT to organize, form a union, and start pushing for better treatment the way they do in Europe.

>>211487131 (OP)
I think it was us minnesotans
teflon and scotchgard
theres microplastics and PFAs in everyones water
sorry about that

>>211488277
shin angyo onshi

>>211488845
Everything was built on the results of industrialization, which happened before total liberalization of society.

The more liberal everything got, the shittier it became. De-industrialization followed the same trend. The less people were close to modes of production and the more people worked in the white-collar economy, the less things have functioned well. People feel shittier now, your money buys less and less, they do ineffectual and nonsensical work all day, and so on.

Conflating the riches and safety of the west, which was built up over hundreds of years and on the shoulders of well functioning civil societies (that didn't need liberalism to function) is a classic rhetorical device of liberals. Its simply not true.

It does not have to be this way, and it won't.

>>211487131 (OP)
How did VS fall off so bad? From being pretty nuanced about how there is no one right worldview and being able to adapt to different circumstances, with characters actively undermining MCs ideals with their experiences, to mangaka bending over backwards to show everyone how right Thorfinn is and how all forms of self defence (except magic viking kung fu) are bad and lead to more violence

>>211489135
It turned to shit the moment they stopped with the warband stuff

>>211489183
It was good until the time-skip where they skipped the whole journey to Byzantium. The Baltic War arc was awful because it has what's his face who behaved like a stereotypica battle shounen character

>>211489183
Farmland saga was pretty good too. Yukimura fucked up when the sacking of Ketil's farm didn't make Thorfinn go "gee, maybe complete pacifism is something to strive for but ultimately completely unreachable in current times" and instead made him double down on it while killing everyone who sinned by defending themselves from aggressors like Einar

>>211489248
Aside from Yukimura's soapboxing getting more and more grating, Baltic War is where the plot gets more and more contrived in order to not kill anyone from the main party to the point it starts to read like Buronson wrote it

>>211488835
>Hmm, why did it all fall apart then?
Essentially because of technological breakthroughs like the printing press and mobilization of the plebs by the usual suspects.
>Why did it produce inbred incompetents?
That's mostly a meme.

>>211489599
>this is the best system ever made, it just fell apart because... it just did, okay?
I see, so it sucked.

>>211489668
It's not perfect but the best. Democracy is way more fragile and constantly at risk of voting itself out, which then of course must be countered undemocratically. Total sham. I prefer my elite class to be properly established and beholden to the Church instead of a bunch of shadowy oligarchs manipulating the plebs through the press and giving them the stressful delusion of choice.

>>211489752
> I prefer my elite class to be properly established and beholden to the Church instead of a bunch of shadowy oligarchs manipulating the plebs through the press and giving them the stressful delusion of choice.
So you prefer fantasies?

>>211487131 (OP)
Vinland Saga went to shit anyways

>>211489765
Democracy is the fantasy. I prefer the thing with the long solid historical record.

>>211489811
Why don't you move to Brunei or Saudi-Arabia? There democracy won't get in the way of you serving your monarch.

>>211489839
because it's completely different system than the one he advocates for you dumb nigger, it's like sending a vehement free marketer to china as an own

>>211489839
They aren't Catholic and white, let alone my kind of white. Your view of the world is a teenager's.

>>211489877
>both ruled by an absolute monarch
>in both cases the absolute monarch serves the One True God
I don't know, sounds to me like he just doesn't want to leave the comforts of the decadent west.

>>211489899
And yours is that of a woman.
>I need daddy to put me in my place!

>>211489904
sounds like trump's america...

EDIT
Oh my god thanks for the upvotes kind sirs

>>211487849
>>211487565
now show me homicide clearance rates

>>211489932
Your understanding of hierarchy and gender is also pathetic. Please tell me about your broken family.

>>211487959
My enemies kill themselves

>>211489135
It was good in spite of its ideology.
Thorfinn never liked the core Viking experience of warring and establishing colonies

>>211487131 (OP)
Thorfinn is such a faggot and this series is a massive disappointment

>>211487131 (OP)
lets not pretend we didnt cheer when this happened

>>211487448
> Yes I am. But your views are the ones that'll be extinct in a short while.
No it won’t. Neoliberalism is based abd you’re a pathetic loser who will grovel at the knees when faced with the night of the American military. Enjoy losing faggot.

>>211487448
> Yes I am. But your views are the ones that'll be extinct in a short while.
No it won’t. Neoliberalism is based and you’re a pathetic loser who will grovel at the knees when faced with the night of the American military. Enjoy losing faggot.

>>211487565
>Chud's Paradox
>1.) Nothing ever happens
>2.) Things have happened in the past

>>211487131 (OP)
Is that Troonland Faga?
>dude this slave arrived on my doorstop and the slavers are here
>I am such a moralfag I will buy the dying slave's freedom
>all so he is technically free when he dies two seconds later
>I am such a good person, it only cost half of all my livestock and causing my own family to starve
>dude I just gave free shit to evil slavers, I am so moral dude, the mangaka agrees with me too

>>211487879
>>211487956
You people cheer on vengeance but I know for a fact you’ll cry like pussies asking “WAAAAAH WHY ME WHY MY CHILD” the moment your child dies in a botched attempt for vengeance. I’m not saying you can’t defend yourself, but don’t surprised if someone kills your children in retaliation for your previous revenge. Sometimes there isn’t a large conspiracy and it really can be as simple as it being a good lesson. Vengeance begets vengeance.

>>211490844
Tranny cuckold mentality.
Vengeance is good and moral but you obviously shouldn't enact revenge in a way that will blow up in your face and cause you suffering.
Why are japs so retarded?

>>211488402
>best system ever, bro
All western nations are rapidly turning into the thirld world. IQ scores are dropping, and social disharmony, trust has never been worse. Women refuse to have kids and get hysterical about the prospect of killing their kids at 9 months becoming slightly harder in some states, while demanding ever more brown invaders. The EU have set themselves up as arbiters of truth, and everything they disagree with is now officialy, according to the media and state policy, "disinformation" and criminal. I honestly don't see what I'm supposed to like about any of this.

>>211488486
What the fuck. I really like seeing 70 iq sub-saharran africans, by the thousands, in my northern euro city now.

>>211491014
> Vengeance is good and moral
Glad we’re in agreement then. You won’t cry like a pussy if your children are murdered after inevitably fucking up your revenge (because you’re a cowardly faggot who can only LARP)

>>211488845
All you've proven is that we're better off than thirld world shitholes, you idiot.
>ww2
The wrong side won this war, and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.
>there'd be a massive, extremely rich, advanced, homogenous german state in central and eastern germany with hundreds of millions of germans
>mars colonies by now too, probably
Whites were the true losers of ww2.

>>211490738
>neoliberalism
>based
Words mean truly nothing to you
>muh amerimutt military
USA was strong before it turned into liberalism. It hasn't been able to innovate at all, it hasn't been able to keep its army numbers up, the fleet size the way it could when it still had the semblance of an industry.

Post 70s America has been on a steady decline, and this includes the military.
The core of liberalism is living off of short term gains in capital while offshoring vital production to its enemies.

America has never been weaker militarily and will continue to fall off as these small border skirmishes increase
>cannot even end the Houthi conflict decisively
Lmao

This is your liberal champion. Go fuck a homo you giant faggot

Reminder that the writer is a retarded feminist.
As in he's written entire spiels about how women can do no wrong and men are all bad.

>>211491611
Tranny pedophile can't think of a single way or situation anyone could ever take revenge outside of a really contrived moment out of some shitty tranime
>dude Naruto tried to take revenge and his kids were killed for it
>therefore all revenge bad
>and also ur a coward unlike Naruto who is awesome

>>211491658
The funniest thing is when he found out that there are actual female vikangz that are proud of her achievement and buried with either her sword or shield and the cuck shifted the narrative that men caused wxmen to be vikangz and go to war

>>211490738
In 10 years, the american military will be amost entirely spic and won't have the will or ability to fight any adversary, except domestic ones, repeating the roman empire's mistakes in filling their legions with barbs. Burgers have zero chance against china in the long run.

>>211490693
You mean when he used violence agains those threatening him?

Is every tranime fan fucking insane? I am yet to see anyone point out how the guy in the first episode gave everything he had to slavers and it's framed like this moral act and peak pacifism.
Faggots actually watched that and kept watching and they still watch this shit.

>>211491648
>WAH WAH WAH I’M A PISSED OFF MUZZIE WAH WAH WAH
We know, Ahmed. Too bad I’m not reading any of that. America won and is the dominant superpower. Survival of the fittest, Islam LOST. Enjoy crying into your rock while the greatest country on earth drone strikes your third world shithole.
>Islam LOST
>Communism LOST
>Nazi Germany LOST
We’re at the top of the food chain. Cry.

This is what winning looks like, bros. Truly nothing beats liberalism (leftism).

>>211491864
>retard hotep thinks it's 1991 still
don't you have a kike to serve or a pride parade to go to?

>>211491820
Vinland Saga's routinely been mocked on /a/ ever since the manga started on the farming arc.
Incidentally also when he decided to drop the cool ideas about byzant and instead focused on anti-violence and trannies. Early on it's mostly focused on violence and warfare.

>>211491934
I posted on /a/ a few times and pointed out in a vinland saga thread that this scene made no sense and this guy made slavers rich and nearly killed his own family for a semantic ''win'' against slavers, robbing them of the satisfaction of having to deal with a dead body that is technically theirs. Slavers exchanged a dead body for pigs, cows, chickens, goats, cattle feed, vegetables. And the mangaka thinks this is badass and moral.
No one on /a/ knew what I was talking about or they tried to defend it.

>>211492019
I don't really remember that but then I haven't read it in the last five years.

Storytelling is a tool of the establishment to remove the possibility of violent revolution from a demoralized population's brains

>what's wrong with modern writers?

My GOAT would NEVER

I wonder how the Tranny Viking or the main character's wife's son is doing, dropped Vinland so long ago

>>211492063
It's the first thing that happens after character introductions. An escaped slave arrives at their house and is freezing to death naked in the snow, just fucked beyond belief with zero chance of survival.
Main character's dad then takes this slave in and buys his freedom so he can die ''free'' in excruciating pain instead of dying a ''slave'' in a carriage.
The slave lives long enough to just say thank you and dies. This is portrayed as the most heroic act of kindness in the world.

>>211487131 (OP)
I'm pretty sure at least a couple Saints would disagree.

>>211487959
He still acknowledges killing your enemies to be a kind of victory.
But, yeah, Peace is the true one.

>>211491667
I didn’t bring up anime. Why are you so afraid of standing by your ideology? To say that the people murdering your children in your world view would be justified? You said “vengeance is good and moral,” but for some reason you don’t wanna touch on it happening to you? Is it because you don’t actually believe in it and you’re a LARPer? It’s blatantly obvious you haven’t put any thought into it beyond thinking life is a John Wick movie.

>>211492519
Tranny pedophile off his meds

>>211488800
Go back tranny.

>>211491803
aka righteous violence

>>211487315
call it, mutt or shitrab

theres just too much of it and anything popular today can be praised despite being crap. people treat their doodles and lightshows like religion, because they lack faith in themselves and everything

>>211487131 (OP)
How is THAT an example of modern storytelling when all modern movies and TV shows are like "you deserve to die in a comically overblown brutal way because you dont hold the exact opinions I hold"?
When was the last time you saw something that was about non-violent solutions to disagreements or forgiveness?

bump

>>211494739
You got it all wrong. It's
>don't seek revenge but please please keep in mind you'll be persecuted if you don't agree with the establishment

>>211494739
someone every told you you struggle with abstraction?