So what's the answer?

Star Trek crashed out harder but nobody but the die hards watched it.

I always preferred classic ST over classic SW but for the past 15 or so years both franchises have been equally terrible.

Dune

There's still an occasional good Star Wars game but Star Trek has nothing going for it.

Both are shit for entirely different reasons. Ironically, Star Wars is infinitely better suited to telling Star Trek like moral examinations and political dramas because it isn't filled with pseudo-intellectual navelgazing like Trek where it loses the ability to see the forest from the trees; it just doesn't because it's writers are too hackish to manage it. Trek though has shitty fedora tipping written into its DNA. All the fellating about how Trek is deeper and more thought provoking are nonsense. Nothing in Trek is real. It's all jewish supposition about what a jewish narrative like Whig history thinks the future will be like with absolutely no precedent for in anywhere in history. Star Wars is, ironically, more real in that nations rise and fall in human lifetimes very quickly after a few too many debacles and the final battle with Sauron himself gets papered over by hindsight later as yet another Sauron rises and half the time the real villain is on both sides of the war. Empires rise and fall, and so do republics, and through it all, people are just trying to get by.

Andorfags should know, in the EU, Andor woulf have been a mid-tier book. We got a lot of trash, but we got a lot of excellent shit too. Andorfags are like niggas who played Oblivion after getting Fallout 4 and think it's the deepest shit ever. I'l agree it's overwhelmingly better than the competition and it's certainly not bad but we used to get much better. Much worse too, but you could just ignore that shit.

>>211506836
I rediscovered old Trek and it's bretty gud I just was too young to appreciate it.

>>211506767 (OP)
Stargate

No one cares about Star Trek

>>211507736
>Star Wars is, ironically, more real in that nations rise and fall in human lifetimes very quickly
yes, very real

>>211506767 (OP)
Get out the way bitch.
Get out the way!

>>211509816
>Sith Values
>Backstab your boss first chance you get
>Replace your underlings first chance you get.
How was there even a fleet?

>>211506767 (OP)
They have no shields in Star Wars. Star Trek ships could beam a photon torpedo directly to the bridge or the power reactor of a stardestroyer.

>>211511721
>They have no shields in Star Wars
it's not every day that you run into someone who's never seen a single star wars film

>>211511721
What happened on hoth again?

Can a trek nerd clue me in if the enterprise is supposed to be a battleship or more like a dogfighter in terms of combat? You see it zooming around in whatever dogshit movies or whatever nowadays and I know the disc can separate for combat but in any case is it supposed to be trading broadsides like Star Wars where it's battleship combat or dodging hits

>>211507736
Andor is special because it proves Star Wars can do as good on TV as Star Trek can. It's the Wrath of Khan for Star Wars.

>>211512223
If you mean the Constitution class, it's more like a cruiser in that it's meant to be mid at everything but so over-tuned compared to its contemporaries that translates to being good at everything - it is even capable of atmospheric flight so long as you don't try and land it. If you want a battleship, you stuff more gubbins on it to get something like the Federation class, if you want something lighter and more zippy you hack pieces off to get the Saladin class.
If you mean the Galaxy (the TNG ship), it's a mobile starbase.

>>211512223
I'm assuming you mean the Enterprise D, a battleship of slow movement with weapons that can aim in many directions.

For a Star Trek ship that fires in one direction and moves quickly, you want the Defiant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0N16g-_LV4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3JO6_QBb4s

>>211512223
Original series it's a submarine. They even use a periscope.

>>211507178
>4 decent books
>a solid board game
>the birth of the RTS genre
vs.
>a mountain of dogshit books by Brian
>3 mid movies
>2 mid miniseries
>1 piece of shit miniseries
>countless shitty cash-in video games
There hasn't been anything truly worthwhile out of Dune since Frank Herbert kicked the can. At least Roddenberry had semi-competent successors for a while.

Why must I only choose 1?

>>211512090
>>211512104
Ships use deflector shields in SW. They don't raise an impenetrable bubble around the ships.

>>211513385
Considering how easy transporter signals get blocked/scrambled in SW that would still probably work.

>>211509816
>humans get infinite free gibs machine
>don't degenerate, turn fat and eat each other
>instead become hypercultured 'wise' whig history cartoon fantasy

Star Trek's base premise, its forest, is cope that makes as much sense as the dumbest of the individual trees in Star Wars.

both mid legacy media that have some interesting concepts that nerds in general must pretend are more interesting than they are because of the limited scope of science fantasy.

Star trek is a fantasy series with pseudo intellectuals acting like the science matters.
Star wars is a fantasy series with low brow consumers that minimize its use of homage and narrative.

If one is better its star wars because some of its positive elements are underrated while star treks positives are over stated.